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pedromartinezfan
09-17-06, 03:53 PM
As of 9/15.

American League WARP
<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cols="4" frame="void" rules="groups"> <colgroup><col width="124"><col width="86"><col width="86"><col width="86"></colgroup> <tbody> <tr> <td align="left" height="17" width="124">Player</td> <td align="left" width="86">Team</td> <td align="left" width="86"> WARP</td> <td align="left" width="86">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Johan Santana</td> <td align="left">MIN</td> <td sdval="10.3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">10.3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Derek Jeter</td> <td align="left">NYY</td> <td sdval="8.9" sdnum="1033;" align="right">8.9</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Roy Halladay</td> <td align="left">TOR</td> <td sdval="8.3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">8.3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Jonathan Papelbon</td> <td align="left">BOS</td> <td sdval="8.2" sdnum="1033;" align="right">8.2</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Joe Mauer</td> <td align="left">MIN</td> <td sdval="8" sdnum="1033;" align="right">8</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Travis Hafner</td> <td align="left">CLE</td> <td sdval="7.9" sdnum="1033;" align="right">7.9</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Jermaine Dye</td> <td align="left">CHI</td> <td sdval="7.8" sdnum="1033;" align="right">7.8</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Mariano Rivera</td> <td align="left">NYY</td> <td sdval="7.6" sdnum="1033;" align="right">7.6</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Miguel Tejada</td> <td align="left">BAL</td> <td sdval="7.5" sdnum="1033;" align="right">7.5</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Fransisco Liriano</td> <td align="left">MIN</td> <td sdval="7.3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">7.3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Joe Crede</td> <td align="left">CHI</td> <td sdval="7.3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">7.3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Mike Young</td> <td align="left">TEX</td> <td sdval="7.3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">7.3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Joe Nathan</td> <td align="left">MIN</td> <td sdval="7.1" sdnum="1033;" align="right">7.1</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Grady Sizemore</td> <td align="left">CLE</td> <td sdval="7" sdnum="1033;" align="right">7</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Justin Morneau</td> <td align="left">MIN</td> <td sdval="7" sdnum="1033;" align="right">7</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">David Ortiz</td> <td align="left">BOS</td> <td sdval="6.9" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.9</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Fransisco Rodriguez</td> <td align="left">LAA</td> <td sdval="6.9" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.9</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">B.J. Ryan</td> <td align="left">TOR</td> <td sdval="6.8" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.8</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">C.C Sabathia</td> <td align="left">CLE</td> <td sdval="6.8" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.8</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Jorge Posada</td> <td align="left">NYY</td> <td sdval="6.7" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.7</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Paul Konerko</td> <td align="left">CHI</td> <td sdval="6.7" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.7</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Robinson Cano</td> <td align="left">NYY</td> <td sdval="6.6" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.6</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Chien-Ming Wang</td> <td align="left">NYY</td> <td sdval="6.5" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.5</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Danny Haren</td> <td align="left">OAK</td> <td sdval="6.5" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.5</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Erik Bedard</td> <td align="left">BAL</td> <td sdval="6.5" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.5</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Justin Verlander</td> <td align="left">DET</td> <td sdval="6.4" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.4</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Scott Kazmir</td> <td align="left">TB</td> <td sdval="6.4" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.4</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Jhonny Peralta</td> <td align="left">CLE</td> <td sdval="6.3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Barry Zito</td> <td align="left">OAK</td> <td sdval="6.2" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6.2</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="18">Jered Weaver</td> <td align="left">LAA</td> <td sdval="6" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Manny Ramirez</td> <td align="left">BOS</td> <td sdval="6" sdnum="1033;" align="right">6</td> <td align="left">
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gdn
09-17-06, 04:21 PM
Except BJ Ryan doesn't play for the Yankees :p
yankeebot
09-17-06, 04:23 PM
For some reason I was surprised to see Posada so high. I knew he was having a good year but it still was unexpected.
gdn
09-17-06, 04:33 PM
Where does A-Rod come in?
homer2931
09-17-06, 05:29 PM
Seems very slanted towards pitchers (or that could be just this year because pitchers have been impressive)
PaulieIsAwesome
09-17-06, 06:59 PM
Seems very slanted towards pitchers (or that could be just this year because pitchers have been impressive)

Yeah, I've always noticed that. It's really weird to me, the stat seems skewed towards pitchers:

For example. The stat is supposed to correct for league (and even league difficulty, in WARP2 and stuff) and things like that.

Bronson Arroyo: 9.0
Ryan Howard: 7.6

But I've always liked it just for comparing hitters to hitters: it matches up well when I try to recreate the stat on my own.
THEBOSS84
09-17-06, 07:02 PM
I'm so glad to see so many Yankee players on the WARP leaderboard....oh yeah, um what's WARP guys??
PaulieIsAwesome
09-17-06, 08:19 PM
I'm so glad to see so many Yankee players on the WARP leaderboard....oh yeah, um what's WARP guys??

Wins Above Replacement Player, it determines how many offensive runs above an ok AAA ballplayer, and how many defensive runs better than that player, any particular player is, and then converts it into runs. 0 is pretty much terrible, and anything below is among the worst players in the league (Cristian Guzman last year, Javy Lopez with the Red Sox and players like that.) 5 is around average for a full time season: Trot Nixon, or Kevin Youkilis or something.

7 is generally All-Star level. If you can average 8 for about 10 years, that's close to Hall of Fame level (sort of consistent All Star.) 9 is among the three or so best players at your position. 10 is MVP level. The best seasons ever are varying degrees above that, 12, 13, up to 14 or 15 for Bonds or Ruth's or Honus Wagner's best seasons.
ChrisV82
09-18-06, 02:03 AM
Nice to see Jeter leading all AL position players, including nearly a full run above Mauer. What are the odds the baseball writers will ever consider this? Less than 1% or less than .5%?
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