View Full Version : September 6, 2006 - Yankees @ Royals from Kauffman Stadium, Kansas City, MO
Soriambi
09-06-06, 09:36 PM
Wilson flies to center. Two down.
SoCal Pinstriper
09-06-06, 09:36 PM
I think it's karma (if I believed in that) that the Yanks look to win this 8-1, and the Sox lost theirs 8-1Lou, it is a good thing that you don't believe in Karma, because you clearly do not understand it. ;):D
cupcollector99
09-06-06, 09:38 PM
Quick inning..
Soriambi
09-06-06, 09:38 PM
K. Inning over. To the bottom of the 9th, Yanks up 8-1.
So - it's 8-1...who wants a nice gross work story?
Please proceed:)
Why is using Proctor tonight an issue? Seriously, why? He has not pitched a ton recently- he didn't throw yesterday, threw an inning the night before. Off day tomorrow....he, Torre, and the staff probably didn't think he needed a long layoff.
His velocity and location is perfectly fine, too- so he's clearly not fatigued. Since he won't be pitching two innings or multiple days in a row from here on out, I don't really see the issue and daily uproar over bringing him in.
People here kill him for bringing in Villone, kill him for bringing in Proctor- all while the very best reliever is unavailable at the end of the game.
A month ago when Proctor was pitching ALL the time, and a few weeks ago with Villone- legit criticism. But not now- nobody's been close to overrused for a while here- and won't from here on out.
ZYanksRule
09-06-06, 09:39 PM
Let's wrap this up, get it to 15.
conkermaniac
09-06-06, 09:39 PM
He was done. It was going to end well if he continued.
I'm guessing you meant that it wasn't going to end well. But how bad could it possibly have been? I can't see him giving up more than 3 runs. And I would much rather take:
8 IP, 3 R from Johnson
than
7 IP, 0 R from Johnson
1 IP, 1 R from Proctor
Anything to keep Proctor and Villone out of this game.
Why is using Proctor tonight an issue? Seriously, why? He has not pitched a ton recently- he didn't throw yesterday, threw an inning the night before. Off day tomorrow....he, Torre, and the staff probably didn't think he needed a long layoff.
His velocity and location is perfectly fine, too- so he's clearly not fatigued. Since he won't be pitching two innings or multiple days in a row from here on out, I don't really see the issue and daily uproar over bringing him in.
People here kill him for bringing in Villone, kill him for bringing in Proctor- all while the very best reliever is unavailable at the end of the game.
A month ago when Proctor was pitching ALL the time, and a few weeks ago with Villone- legit criticism. But not now- nobody's been close to overrused for a while here- and won't from here on out.Stop making sense! ;)
Seriously, good post. :)
SoCal Pinstriper
09-06-06, 09:40 PM
Why is using Proctor tonight an issue? Seriously, why? He has not pitched a ton recently- he didn't throw yesterday, threw an inning the night before. Off day tomorrow....he, Torre, and the staff probably didn't think he needed a long layoff.
His velocity and location is perfectly fine, too- so he's clearly not fatigued. Since he won't be pitching two innings or multiple days in a row from here on out, I don't really see the issue and daily uproar over bringing him in.
People here kill him for bringing in Villone, kill him for bringing in Proctor- all while the very best reliever is unavailable at the end of the game.
A month ago when Proctor was pitching ALL the time, and a few weeks ago with Villone- legit criticism. But not now- nobody's been close to overrused for a while here- and won't from here on out.Excellent points as usual. :)
allstarcano22
09-06-06, 09:40 PM
wow........farns
I'm guessing you meant that it wasn't going to end well. But how bad could it possibly have been? I can't see him giving up more than 3 runs. And I would much rather take:
8 IP, 3 R from Johnson
than
7 IP, 0 R from Johnson
1 IP, 1 R from Proctor
Anything to keep Proctor and Villone out of this game.
I much rather prefer not taxing an old starter who you need down the stretch. Proctor hasn't been overworked of late, his velocity and command is fine, and there's no chance you will need him for consecutive days.
Soriambi
09-06-06, 09:41 PM
1-3. One down.
knickfan23
09-06-06, 09:41 PM
I'm guessing you meant that it wasn't going to end well. But how bad could it possibly have been? I can't see him giving up more than 3 runs. And I would much rather take:
8 IP, 3 R from Johnson
than
7 IP, 0 R from Johnson
1 IP, 1 R from Proctor
Anything to keep Proctor and Villone out of this game.
Why do the numbers matter? What purpose does sending Johnson out for another inning serve?
--
Farnsworth in the game now.
EdRuane
09-06-06, 09:41 PM
Farnsworth's last game: 9/3.
I have no problem with this.
conkermaniac
09-06-06, 09:41 PM
Why is using Proctor tonight an issue? Seriously, why? He has not pitched a ton recently- he didn't throw yesterday, threw an inning the night before. Off day tomorrow....he, Torre, and the staff probably didn't think he needed a long layoff.
You're forgetting that he pitched the night before the night before. So he actually pitched 2 nights in a row. He deserves at least 3 days off after that. If anything, get him some work during the first game in Baltimore.
ZYanksRule
09-06-06, 09:42 PM
that woulda been a hell of a play
conkermaniac
09-06-06, 09:43 PM
Why do the numbers matter? What purpose does sending Johnson out for another inning serve?
To save Proctor! I wouldn't have minded if someone like Veras or Beam pitched the 8th either.
PeteRFNY
09-06-06, 09:43 PM
Please proceed:)
OK...I work in a technical shop, get back from work after a nice three-day weekend yesterday, etc...
For the past two days, there are fruit flies all over the freaking place and we can't figure out where they are coming from. I'm ripping the place apart, can't find the source of the fruit flies.
One of my co-workers was out the last couple of days, and I needed to get something out of his desk. I open the top drawer, and in it was an open tupperware full of cantelope that he apparently opened on Friday, got distracted, put in his desk and forgotten about.
The combination of being hit with a swarm of about 5,000 fruit flies - and the smell of rotting, near-five-day old cantelope is something I won't be forgetting any time soon.
Proctor = gassed.
Stop making sense! ;)
Seriously, good post. :)
Hey....I cry about Torre a few dozen times during the season when he can't help himself going to a guy who clearly needs a day off. But he's usually been pretty good handling large and comfortable leads down the stretch by preparing his relievers for the postseason. The times they didn't have that cushion are the times the pen has hurt them in October ('95, '97, '04, '05).
Good thing Farnsworth is getting this out of his system ...
8 to THREE. :(
ZYanksRule
09-06-06, 09:44 PM
You're forgetting that he pitched the night before the night before. So he actually pitched 2 nights in a row. He deserves at least 3 days off after that. If anything, get him some work during the first game in Baltimore.
Here's the problem, if you rest him too long, he gets rusty. You gotta mix rest with rust, and that's not an easy thing to do. Resting the guy 3 days will rest him, but he might come out of that throwing balls out of the zone, which is a problem worse than being tired.
SoCal Pinstriper
09-06-06, 09:44 PM
Third ball in ten days that cano has lost on the transfer. He gets a little lazy/casual at times.
EdRuane
09-06-06, 09:44 PM
Hah! A HR cuts the deficit to 8-3. And here come the fireworks.
Apparently they don't get to be used too often.
EnglishYanqui
09-06-06, 09:44 PM
What the hell are the KC fans celebrating? Even with Joe managing the BP, they ain't winning.
90% of all ML 2b men would have stood & watched Joey's shot go into CF.
Error, my ass.
Farnsy gives up a big blast.
oh Kyle
this is unreal
thank you JoPo for Farnsproofing this
Soriambi
09-06-06, 09:45 PM
Tough error on Cano ...
I can see where the scorer was coming from, because Cano messed up the "easier" part of the play, (getting up and throwing) rather than the diving catch part. Tough error, though. I think that Cano making a nice play to get to it actually hurt him because that's why it was an error.
I think German was a bit too happy about that HR considering they're still down 8-3. :lol:
Hey....I cry about Torre a few dozen times during the season when he can't help himself going to a guy who clearly needs a day off. But he's usually been pretty good handling large and comfortable leads down the stretch by preparing his relievers for the postseason. The times they didn't have that cushion are the times the pen has hurt them in October ('95, '97, '04, '05).
Can't blame Torre for 1995.:D
Toaderly
09-06-06, 09:45 PM
I think it's karma (if I believed in that) that the Yanks look to win this 8-1, and the Sox lost theirs 8-1
There goes your karma theory.
Aw right, three pitch K! Way to come back, Farnsworth!
One more out ...
Third ball in ten days that cano has lost on the transfer. He gets a little lazy/casual at times.
Hahahaha.... You funny.
SoCal Pinstriper
09-06-06, 09:45 PM
90% of all ML 2b men would have stood & watched Joey's shot go into CF.
Error, my ass.
Farnsy gives up a big blast.He just needs more rest.;)
You're forgetting that he pitched the night before the night before. So he actually pitched 2 nights in a row. He deserves at least 3 days off after that. If anything, get him some work during the first game in Baltimore.
Starters throw 100 pitches and then have a full bullpen session (30-40 pitches) two days later. He hasn't been used significantly, and his pitch counts haven't been that high. Additionally, and most importantly, he's not tired right now. He was a while back. Not anymore.
knickfan23
09-06-06, 09:45 PM
To save Proctor! I wouldn't have minded if someone like Veras or Beam pitched the 8th either.
But as Gold23 mentioned, if Proc's velocity wasnt an issue tonight otherwise we would have known that by watching. But to send a 43 year old back out for one more inning when it was clear he was losing it in the 7th is bad. I was at the Chicago game where it unraveled in a similar fashion.
Proc will only pitch once in the Baltimore series anyway. Once the East is clinched on the 20th, everyone will get their break.
fredgmuggs
09-06-06, 09:46 PM
The thing that Torre hasn't been credited with this season is that he has managed to keep an old and an injury risk starting pitching staff relatively healthy all season. He has done that by over working the bullpen at times.... and it's easier to point the finger of blame over bullpen misuse, than praising him for keeping the starters healthy.
There goes your karma theory.
Boston should have scored 3, though:)
Can't blame Torre for 1995.:D
That's true. Wasn't "blame", but an example of a taxed pen being a bad thing to go into October with. That, or Wetteland getting owned by Edgar. :)
cupcollector99
09-06-06, 09:47 PM
ballgame..
Toaderly
09-06-06, 09:47 PM
The thing that Torre hasn't been credited with this season is that he has managed to keep an old and an injury risk starting pitching staff relatively healthy all season. He has done that by over working the bullpen at times.... and it's easier to point the finger of blame over bullpen misuse, than praising him for keeping the starters healthy.
I wish this was repeated more often.
Thank you.
GREAT comeback, Farnsworth! Two Ks on seven pitches after the home run!
Yankees win, YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D
Soriambi
09-06-06, 09:47 PM
K. Inning over. Ballgame over. Yankees win, THUHHHH Yankees win. Good game, good series. Have a good night, everyone. :)
ZYanksRule
09-06-06, 09:47 PM
BALLGAME
Yankees win.
Another series in the books.
Farns gets strike 4 and Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees win!
Thanks for sharing this one with me, everyone.
Charlie Relaford tired of standing..... Ball Game Over.... Yankees win.
Poor poor Scotty.
Poor poor us when he's used up for the Playoffs.
conkermaniac
09-06-06, 09:48 PM
Proc will only pitch once in the Baltimore series anyway. Once the East is clinched on the 20th, everyone will get their break.
How do you know that? I thought after Proctor pitched in the rubber game of the Minnesota series, there was no way he would pitch more than 1 game in this series. He ended up pitching 2 games.
But as Gold23 mentioned, if Proc's velocity wasnt an issue tonight otherwise we would have known that by watching. But to send a 43 year old back out for one more inning when it was clear he was losing it in the 7th is bad. I was at the Chicago game where it unraveled in a similar fashion.
Proc will only pitch once in the Baltimore series anyway. Once the East is clinched on the 20th, everyone will get their break.
Yep. If you recall, RJ has had at least three games this year when he was absolute coasting late and then hit rough patches.
Toaderly
09-06-06, 09:49 PM
The-e-e-e-e Yankee-e-e-e-s Wi-i-i-i-i-i-n!!!!!
Thanks, everyone! Have a great evening!
G'night! :)
fredgmuggs
09-06-06, 09:50 PM
That is that folks. See you Friday.
The thing that Torre hasn't been credited with this season is that he has managed to keep an old and an injury risk starting pitching staff relatively healthy all season. He has done that by over working the bullpen at times.... and it's easier to point the finger of blame over bullpen misuse, than praising him for keeping the starters healthy.
100% agree. He's been careful with the whole starting staff....
Heck, he even has babied Pavano this season, keeping him under 1 inning pitched.
Seriously, though, I agree. The fact he now has the better part of a month to coast into October and ensure his pen arms don't get taxed is great.
knickfan23
09-06-06, 09:50 PM
How do you know that? I thought after Proctor pitched in the rubber game of the Minnesota series, there was no way he would pitch more than 1 game in this series. He ended up pitching 2 games.
I was suprised when he came in that day.
PeteRFNY
09-06-06, 09:51 PM
That's true. Wasn't "blame", but an example of a taxed pen being a bad thing to go into October with. That, or Wetteland getting owned by Edgar. :)
I attribute '95 to Buck not trusting Wetteland. Even without Edgar coming up, he went with freaking Jack McDowell to save Game 5 - when McDowell's arm was being held on with cotter pins and chewing gum.
I'll never forget that shot ABC had of Wetteland in the bullpen with his hands on his waist, waiting to come in. And Showalter goes with McDowell. Incredible. If you're gonna get beat, get beat with your closer in.
But that was four rings ago...still cheeses me off, though...
SoCal Pinstriper
09-06-06, 09:52 PM
Series win for the Yankees!
A great night that highlights what has been an excellent year for Posada.
RJ pitches well without being overworked.
Thank you to everyone who posted!
Drive Safely!
fredgmuggs
09-06-06, 09:52 PM
I attribute '95 to Buck not trusting Wetteland. Even without Edgar coming up, he went with freaking Jack McDowell to save Game 5 - when McDowell's arm was being held on with cotter pins and chewing gum.
I'll never forget that shot ABC had of Wetteland in the bullpen with his hands on his waist, waiting to come in. And Showalter goes with McDowell. Incredible. If you're gonna get beat, get beat with your closer in.
But that was four rings ago...still cheeses me off, though...
He should have left Mo in the game. A blind man could see he was nearly unhittable that night.
PeteRFNY
09-06-06, 09:53 PM
He should have left Mo in the game. A blind man could see he was nearly unhittable that night.
Yeah, that too! Showalter's bullpen management makes Torre look like a genius (which is why I don't complain about it as much as many of my contemporaries do). 11 years later and that game still makes me eat grumblecakes!
Eleven years? Yikes.
Righteous! Another series in the can. Now I must fight the urge to call out sick on Friday and go down to Baltimore...!
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Originally Posted by fredgmuggs
The thing that Torre hasn't been credited with this season is that he has managed to keep an old and an injury risk starting pitching staff relatively healthy all season. He has done that by over working the bullpen at times.... and it's easier to point the finger of blame over bullpen misuse, than praising him for keeping the starters healthy.
Absolutely brilliant post :clap:
conkermaniac
09-06-06, 09:58 PM
Starters throw 100 pitches and then have a full bullpen session (30-40 pitches) two days later. He hasn't been used significantly, and his pitch counts haven't been that high. Additionally, and most importantly, he's not tired right now. He was a while back. Not anymore.
You are basing this off radar gun readings. Do you remember when we came out of the All-Star Break and Proctor was hitting 97? He's hanging around 94 right now, which isn't nearly as significant as his dropoff earlier in the season (when he was at around 91), but it shows at least that he could benefit from some more rest. He can still be effective throwing 94, 95, but why wouldn't we want a Proctor who can come out of the bullpen throwing 97, 98 in the playoffs? The bite on his slider has also decreased, and he's hanging more breaking balls.
kirbivore
09-06-06, 10:41 PM
oh great, now that the lead is 7 he is going to pitch farnsworth
what are the mega millions #'s gonna be Friday night
:roflmao: :roflmao:
4bronxbombers
09-07-06, 06:05 AM
The thing that Torre hasn't been credited with this season is that he has managed to keep an old and an injury risk starting pitching staff relatively healthy all season. He has done that by over working the bullpen at times.... and it's easier to point the finger of blame over bullpen misuse, than praising him for keeping the starters healthy.
Great post Muggs! Great game last night!
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