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With the salary adjustments taking place this year, 2007 might be a very interesting auction. There are few true bargains out there as keepers:
Bitches Brew: 7 players less than $10.
Evil Empire: 2 players
Giambianblast: 7 players
HHH: 7 players
Kings of Arbitration: 4 players
Mets Magic: 5 players
New York Knights: 5 players
Raging Bulls: 4 players
Striking Back: 7 players
Sycamore Style: 8 players
The A Team v. 2006: 5 players
The Corporation: 4 players
And remember, you MUST keep between 7 and 12 players a year. I can sense a lot of one-season renewals rather than multi-year contracts for next year.
Hitman23
08-21-06, 08:06 AM
Translation:
Hey everyone, look at my team, I have alot of great keepers.
:D
I'm fighting for the title right now. I'll worry about next year when it's time to.
Translation:
Hey everyone, look at my team, I have alot of great keepers.
:D
I'm fighting for the title right now. I'll worry about next year when it's time to.
Me? I have some of the fewest players under $10 for next year...
I think it will make things interesting. I am always thinking about next year, which is why I still have Gagne on my roster.
...and don't look now, but a new team has entered the title chase. :D
Hitman23
08-21-06, 08:40 AM
Me? I have some of the fewest players under $10 for next year...
I think it will make things interesting. I am always thinking about next year, which is why I still have Gagne on my roster.
...and don't look now, but a new team has entered the title chase. :DI'm just messin with ya. :cool:
it's about time man. I was thinking 80% of the league didn't care. maybe I'm used to the chatter in the other league, but everyone is so quiet here.
boo_427
08-21-06, 08:44 AM
I feel really good about my team next year.
A lot of young keepers that have a lot of potential. I am definitely locking up Francouer to a maximum contract.
boo_427
08-21-06, 08:46 AM
it's about time man. I was thinking 80% of the league didn't care. maybe I'm used to the chatter in the other league, but everyone is so quiet here.
That is what you get out of a rotiss league. The competition is stat driven instead of opponent driven.
Snatch Catch
08-21-06, 01:24 PM
That is what you get out of a rotiss league. The competition is stat driven instead of opponent driven.
Yep.
I'm looking pretty good for next year.
I have
Bay ($20)
Sizemore ($22)
Berkman ($21)
Locked up next year
I also have
Fielder ($5)
Verlander ($5)
Zimmerman ($5)
To make contract decisions on.
Should be interesting...especially with Delmon Young, PHIL HUGHES, and eventually Tabata in the mix.
Hitman23
08-21-06, 01:33 PM
c'mon, we're mostly yankee fans. since when does "next year" matter?
c'mon, we're mostly yankee fans. since when does "next year" matter?
Since we won the 2000 WS. :)
Hitman23
08-21-06, 02:47 PM
Since we won the 2000 WS. :)But we always play for this year and worry about next year when next year matters. That's how I playu fantasy baseball until I'm eliminated, or close to it.
yanksphan
08-21-06, 04:01 PM
I'm looking forward to next year....as soon as I win this year. :D
Hitman23
08-21-06, 04:17 PM
Eric,
LaRoche was signed for a year contract at $1 by his former owner and then dropped. Then picked up and I traded for him. he's now $10.
my question, is he keepable for me? at $10?
Eric,
LaRoche was signed for a year contract at $1 by his former owner and then dropped. Then picked up and I traded for him. he's now $10.
my question, is he keepable for me? at $10?
No, as I understand it, anyone with an asterisk by their name is unkeepable.
Hitman23
08-22-06, 01:25 PM
No, as I understand it, anyone with an asterisk by their name is unkeepable.I think we need to investigate a little further. he was dropped, made available for anyone and is now at a salary more then what he was signed for. If it's not clarified, I think it's time we made our first rule ammendment. Because I doubt this will be the last time it happens.
i will deal with putting him back this year if that's what i have to do. But for future reference I can see this being an issue for a player that may be very valuable at $10.
Snatch Catch
08-22-06, 02:00 PM
I think we need to investigate a little further. he was dropped, made available for anyone and is now at a salary more then what he was signed for. If it's not clarified, I think it's time we made our first rule ammendment. Because I doubt this will be the last time it happens.
i will deal with putting him back this year if that's what i have to do. But for future reference I can see this being an issue for a player that may be very valuable at $10.
I agree with Steve. If he's dropped and is signed by a club as a FA, then he is new to that club and should be treated as a new player.
Here’s why I think he’s unkeepable:
Contracts carry over, just like in the other league.
In the other league, if I decide to release Trevor Hoffman, and he clears waivers and you sign him, you still can’t keep him because he’s already been kept three years in a row. He doesn’t all of a sudden count as a FA signing eligible to be kept in the 20th round.
So I would say that someone who was given their option contract is unkeepable by anyone next year. Even by a different team. Now…we could vote to change that starting in 2008, but for 2007 I would say that anyone with an asterisk next to “1 Year” is unkeepable.
(And the reason why it would be for 2008, is because just like adjusting the salaries of players who were picked up as FA’s last year, it would be too much of a process to go through all the rosters and adjust the contracts of everyone who had an option contract, was released, cleared waivers and was signed as a FA by another team.)
Keep in mind though that if we do institute this, the following would be possible:
I renew a player (let’s call him Smith) at $11 or more. He stinks for a while so I release him and he clears waivers. You pick Smith up as a FA because you need an injury replacement, and the commissioner changes the salary to $10 and takes away the asterisk. Your injured player comes off the DL, so you release Smith. Suddenly he gets hot again, so I pick him up off the FA list. Now…not only do I get him at a lower salary, but since there’s no asterisk by his contract, I can renew him again at this lower salary if I so choose. Because once the asterisk is gone, it’s gone…and again, it would be a major hassle to check the keepers list every time someone signs a player without an asterisk to see if he was a renewed player by the team originally and if so, to add back the asterisk.
So that’s why I believe he’s unkeepable.
EDIT TO CLARIFY: If we vote to change this, I (or the original commissioner) could start making the adjustments in 2007 so players would be KEEPABLE in 2008. Not that the changes (removing the asterisks) would begin in 2008...
Snatch Catch
08-22-06, 02:18 PM
Was this a FA signing or a waiver deal? That's the difference in my opinion.
Hitman23
08-22-06, 02:24 PM
I still think once a player is dropped in a contract year he should be able to be treated as a free agent signing. Because the team who dropped him has already been penalized for doing so. Don't you lose money the following year? The team who attains that player shouln't be dinged.
Hitman23
08-22-06, 02:27 PM
Was this a FA signing or a waiver deal? That's the difference in my opinion.I don't know. I attained him through a trade. The owner I traded with picked him up.
I still think once a player is dropped in a contract year he should be able to be treated as a free agent signing. Because the team who dropped him has already been penalized for doing so. Don't you lose money the following year? The team who attains that player shouln't be dinged.
You only lose money if it was a multi-year deal, not a renewal.
Snatch Catch
08-22-06, 02:31 PM
I would say that if he were picked up as a FA, then he has an option- he's a "new" player in the pool at that point; everything resets.
I would say that if he were picked up as a FA, then he has an option- he's a "new" player in the pool at that point; everything resets.
Then we can start making those adjustments in 2007...but to start doing it retroactively in 2006, it would be a huge hassle.
Also, if you release a player you renewed (worth more than $10) and he clears waivers can you pick him back up -- not only at the lower salary but without the asterisk???
Hitman23
08-22-06, 02:36 PM
Then we can start making those adjustments in 2007...but to start doing it retroactively in 2006, it would be a huge hassle. Understandable
Also, if you release a player you renewed (worth more than $10) and he clears waivers can you pick him back up -- not only at the lower salary but without the asterisk??? Yes. Everyone has a shot at him. If you're willing to take the risk.
Here's another problem...
Evil Empire has David Ortiz at $31, which was an option contract. He is unkeepable if traded or if picked up on waivers. So in the last week of the season, Steve releases him. Nobody picks him up off waivers, since he's unkeepable off of waivers. But the SECOND he clears waivers, Steve picks him up off the FA wire.
BAM! David Ortiz is on his team again, at $10, and he can sign him to a 4-year deal. 4 years, $26 a year for Ortiz. Bargain of the decade.
I'm not saying Steve would do this (or would have until he read this) but it opens up a huge possibility of it happening. That's why I still say NO to changing contract lengths when clearing waivers.
Hitman23
08-23-06, 08:16 AM
I see your point. And that would be quite a sneaky move. However I think it's quite unlikely that happens. If I dropped Ortiz, wouldn't someone see that and grab him?
I see your point. And that would be quite a sneaky move. However I think it's quite unlikely that happens. If I dropped Ortiz, wouldn't someone see that and grab him?
Not if it was the end of the season....he won't contribute much in the last day or two, and if he's a waiver pickup, then his contract doesn't change and he can't be kept. The proposal at hand would be to change contract status (removing the asterisk) for FA pickups only...What good would Ortiz be to me on Sept 29th as a waiver pickup? But if I can snag him as soon as he clears waivers, he becomes a FA at $10 and I can sign him for 4 years...
I have searched our constitution (which needs to be worked on in the off-season) and this is not covered specifically. It does say that
"14.5. If a player is given his option contract, his salary remains the same for one season. After that season is complete, the player must be released and made available for the next major league auction."
So perhaps the answer is that a player given an option deal, if released, would NOT have their salary adjusted if picked up by another team, but also would not be keepable the next spring, either.
Hitman23
08-23-06, 08:38 AM
okay, that's fine with me. As long as it's clarified. Like I said, with the question looming for a player who's a marginal keeper at $10, I can see it happening for one that's a bargain.
boo_427
08-23-06, 11:17 AM
My take:
I retained LaRoche for a year at a $1 renewal. He shouldn't be available to be kept next year regardless of what team owns him.
I dropped LaRoche, he cleared waivers, D. Lee went back on the DL and I claimed LaRoche from the FA pool with a new price of $10. But he is still asterisked because he was signed to a one year deal.
Thus, if I wouldn't have traded LaRoche, I couldn't renew his contract next year at $10 because he was only kept for one year.
E,
The analogy you gave with Ortiz was a little inaccurate. If his salary was $31 before he was dropped, then once he cleared waivers his salary would still be $31. $10 or the higher salary is the rule, correct?
Based on 14.5, the answer is no, he cannot be kept per the current rules.
E,
The analogy you gave with Ortiz was a little inaccurate. If his salary was $31 before he was dropped, then once he cleared waivers his salary would still be $31. $10 or the higher salary is the rule, correct?
No...there are two separate situations:
1a) A player is taken in the auction for $1 - $9. He is released and is claimed on waivers. His new salary is $10.
1b) A player is taken in the auction for $10 or more. He is released and is claimed on waivers. His salary remains the same.
(A player claimed on waivers has their salary change to $10 OR stay the same, whichever is higher)
2) A player, regardless of salary ($1 - $238), is taken in the auction and released. He clears waivers and becomes a Free Agent. When signed by a new team, his salary is $10.
(A Free Agent, no matter if they were unclaimed in the auction, or released and clears waivers, gets a salary of $10).
So if Ortiz is released and clears waivers, his salary is $10. If he is released and claimed during the waivers period, his salary remains the same because it is over $10.
I am not releasing Gagne, because with a $14 salary, if he becomes a FA, someone could take a chance on him at a cheaper salary. ($10 if he clears waivers).
boo_427
08-23-06, 01:32 PM
Learned something new.
yanksphan
09-01-06, 11:45 AM
not sure about contracts yet, but next year I'm looking at:
M.Barrett $6
R.Martin $5
R.Freel $9 (2nd year)
H.Ramirez $5
N.Garciaparra $10
M.Mora $14
A.Jones $22 (2nd year)
C.Quentin $5
M.Cain $10
C.Capuano $1
J.Peavy $30
C.Ray $7
chanman7483
09-04-06, 03:38 PM
Peavy at 30 :eek:
I regret not locking Brandon Webb up for a 3 year contract. Oh well.
I'm looking at, keeper wise-
Existing Long term contracts-
Victor Martinez - $24
Robinson Cano - $13
Paul Konkero - $25
Ryan Howard - $17 :D :D :D :D :D
Huston Street - $13
BJ Upton- $9
Renewals(length TBD)
Craig Monroe - $10
Scott Olsen - $5
Papelbon - $10
Joe Crede - $10
I also have a question about my team - I'd like to bring Cantu back, but I also see an asterisk next to his name. I don't remember if he was a FA or waiver pick up. What's the deal with him?
I'm also not looking forward to the auction... I remember the one for this year taking hours.. and hours... and hours................
ruthianblast
09-04-06, 05:01 PM
Existing:
Chad Tracy - $18
Dan Haren - $18
BJ Ryan - $17
Casey Kotchman - $13
Scott Kazmir - $16
Renewals (TBD)
Jeremy Sowers - $5
Nick Swisher - $1
Carlos Guillen - $1
Ian Kinsler - $5
Kevin Youkilis - $1
Josh Willingham - $5 (Possibly)
I also have a question about my team - I'd like to bring Cantu back, but I also see an asterisk next to his name. I don't remember if he was a FA or waiver pick up. What's the deal with him?
I'm also not looking forward to the auction... I remember the one for this year taking hours.. and hours... and hours................
Anyone with an asterisk next to their name was kept as a renewal last year and can't be kept by anyone in 2007.
And hopefully next year, with more time (I was asked last minute to be commissioner and things were rushed from there) I can load people's keepers into the Auction site, which will make things go much quicker.
yanksphan
09-05-06, 09:37 AM
Peavy at 30 :eek:
Heck yeah, Peavy at 30.
Aces will be far and few between. Santana will fetch $40+ this year, so the bar is set pretty high.
With Capuano at $1 and Cain at $10, I can afford to ensure an ace at $30.
chanman7483
02-05-07, 02:56 PM
I hate myself for not giving Webb a long term contract and giving Victor Martinez $24 a year for the next 2 yrs.
A-Rod goes back on the market. $42 is just too much for one man.
ruthianblast
02-06-07, 10:17 AM
Hmmm, should Swisher get 2 years or 3 years; $9 or $13; decisions, decisions.
chanman7483
02-07-07, 12:26 PM
Victor Martinez is available.
Snatch Catch
02-07-07, 12:54 PM
You're dropping him?
chanman7483
02-07-07, 10:04 PM
Nah, just don't like his contract.... No catcher is worth his price... horrible signing on my part. I'm willing to hold onto him for the duration but he can be had in the right deal. I'm not desperate to move him.
Snatch Catch
02-08-07, 08:44 AM
I don't know that you can deal him right now, but I'm not sure...
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