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I understand the frustration with Torre, but some times it really doesn't matter all that much in exactly what order and timing the waiter chooses when all that's sitting in the kitchen is 4 varieties of ____ on a shingle....
NelsonMuntz
07-23-06, 01:44 PM
I disagree....I just don't think Wilson deserves to be in a major league uniform. Ponson was getting smacked around big time.
Ponson had 5 K's through 2 innings. He was a little wild in the zone but there was no need to pull him in the 3rd inning.
Holy ................, what the hell happened? We were up 3-2 and then I ran to the store to get something, come back and now we're getting our asses kicked?
You gotta be kidding me :mad:
It could be a good time for a nap.
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 01:44 PM
I've seen him play probably 50 games in person. He can absolutely fly, and is a good to very good fielder. When did you see him play poorly? He made three or four very good plays in the corner on the big club, while misplaying maybe one ball.
Fine, bring him up. But despite what you've seen, he's not that much of an upgrade.
jimmykey2
07-23-06, 01:44 PM
I've seen him play probably 50 games in person. He can absolutely fly, and is a good to very good fielder. When did you see him play poorly? He made three or four very good plays in the corner on the big club, while misplaying maybe one ball.
I didn't say he doesn't have those attributes... I just said we didn't SEE them while he was with the Yankees.
I didn't know you saw him in the minors.
Ponson had 5 K's through 2 innings. He was a little wild in the zone but there was no need to pull him in the 3rd inning.
Again, disagree. He was getting absolutely smoked. The k's were all good and fine- but almost everything off of him was hard. Without a nice play by Melky, he was in even more trouble.
Yankees8185
07-23-06, 01:46 PM
Kay praising his good friend Aaron Small again.
It's the 4th inning. Little bites, chip away. Just get one chance to bring up the tying run.
Pack it up, see ya in Texas. I'd be surprised if we scored again.
Interesting :lol:
TheBamTino24
07-23-06, 01:46 PM
I guess Torre knows there is no way we're making up 7 runs against Toronto with this lineup and he'll let Wilson "take one for the team" instead of burning more pitchers with Texas looming.
MassNYYfan
07-23-06, 01:46 PM
Kay did NOT just say don't be surprised to see Aaron Small back here. Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Kay just said Aaron Small just had a good start in Columbus ... he may be back up when Wilson is DFAd after this game ...
jimmykey2
07-23-06, 01:46 PM
Ponson had 5 K's through 2 innings. He was a little wild in the zone but there was no need to pull him in the 3rd inning.
He had just given up a 330 foot out (thanks to Melky) and a 350 foot HR. People were complaining that a 250 foot line drive wasn't caught... then he walked a guy. He wasn't any good today and needed to exit.
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 01:46 PM
Again, disagree. He was getting absolutely smoked. The k's were all good and fine- but almost everything off of him was hard. Without a nice play by Melky, he was in even more trouble.
I can't argue with taking Ponson out, but Kris Wilson was not the way to go. And if you aren't going to put someone else in the game, might as well leave in Ponson.
TheBamTino24
07-23-06, 01:46 PM
Interesting :lol:
Definitely. Then I saw our approach in the 4th. Yikes.
No manager would have brought in Villone for Ponson in the 3rd. Not one. Wilson is on the team for this purpose. He should be released after this, but a manager has to use what he has. The choice was Wilson or leaving in Ponson, though he too looked awful. Chacon pitched a couple of days ago. You have to go to a long man.
Blaming Torre is yet another instance of scape goating. The Yankees have not had the luck of last year with starters so far.
TheBamTino24
07-23-06, 01:47 PM
Kay did NOT just say don't be surprised to see Aaron Small back here. Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I would trust Aaron Small over Kris Wilson in long relief.
No manager would have brought in Villone for Ponson in the 3rd. Not one. Wilson is on the team for this purpose. He should be released after this, but a manager has to use what he has. The choice was Wilson or leaving in Ponson, though he too looked awful. Chacon pitched a couple of days ago. You have to go to a long man.
Blaming Torre is yet another instance of scape goating. The Yankees have not had the luck of last year with starters so far.
Amen...
Cmon Kris, now all we need is a double play and we're out of the inning! :)
(Why do I find it much easier to be positive when we're losing in a rout? :o )
I didn't say he doesn't have those attributes... I just said we didn't SEE them while he was with the Yankees.
I didn't know you saw him in the minors.
I actually think we did, though. He showed some pop, had a few pretty good games with the bat. Also showed exceptional speed and a decent arm. He had a few very good plays in the OF where he made shoestring or running catches, and had one instance where he got a bad jump on a ball.
In all.....I think he showed that he's a better ballplayer than Bubba, since the things he certainly does do well are superior to Bubba's. The only question on Thompson- and it's a big one- is whether he'll hit. Since we already know Bubba won't hit, there's not much worry.
The Yanks are too worried about players not having options remaining.
JeffWeaverFan
07-23-06, 01:48 PM
I guess Torre knows there is no way we're making up 7 runs against Toronto with this lineup and he'll let Wilson "take one for the team" instead of burning more pitchers with Texas looming.
Well, he's hoping that we can come back and Wilson can keep it at 10. There's definitely no reason to go to Villone for the 4th, 5th, and 6th, then someone like Proctor for the next 2 innings.
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 01:49 PM
Didnīt Washington come back against us when they were down 9-3 in the 6th to win it 10-9?
ZYanksRule
07-23-06, 01:49 PM
No manager would have brought in Villone for Ponson in the 3rd. Not one. Wilson is on the team for this purpose. He should be released after this, but a manager has to use what he has. The choice was Wilson or leaving in Ponson, though he too looked awful. Chacon pitched a couple of days ago. You have to go to a long man.
Blaming Torre is yet another instance of scape goating. The Yankees have not had the luck of last year with starters so far.
So true. The manager can only do so much, at some point the players just have to produce.
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 01:49 PM
wilson stinks though...
yes ponson was getting hit hard but he was not giving up multiple number of 3 run hr's...
it was a manageable game at 4-3 to a blowout!
montyque
07-23-06, 01:49 PM
Alright... talk to you guys later. I'm gonna go watch a movie -- better for my mental health.
jimmykey2
07-23-06, 01:50 PM
No manager would have brought in Villone for Ponson in the 3rd. Not one. Wilson is on the team for this purpose. He should be released after this, but a manager has to use what he has. The choice was Wilson or leaving in Ponson, though he too looked awful. Chacon pitched a couple of days ago. You have to go to a long man.
Blaming Torre is yet another instance of scape goating. The Yankees have not had the luck of last year with starters so far.
I don't understand how anyone can say this.
The last time we saw Wilson, he gave up a HR to the second batter he faced. That was two short days ago. This time, Wilson didn't surprise us by actually recording an out first.
If Joe wanted to win, he would've chosen Villone. Instead he chose a losing option.
yankee48104
07-23-06, 01:50 PM
Yesterday we were praising Torre for some gutsy moves. Now some of us want him fired? Baseball sure is a funny game.
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 01:50 PM
Well, he's hoping that we can come back and Wilson can keep it at 10. There's definitely no reason to go to Villone for the 4th, 5th, and 6th, then someone like Proctor for the next 2 innings.
Agreed. Why waste them and not have them available for the Texas series? At this point, you made your bed with Wilson and now you have to lie in it.
yankees27
07-23-06, 01:50 PM
This has got to be one of the worst pitching performances by a reliever that I have ever seen. Like someone said he could match Travis Harper's game last year.
Didnīt Washington come back against us when they were down 9-3 in the 6th to win it 10-9?Yes. But Shawn Chacon was pitching for us that day.
VirginiaYank
07-23-06, 01:50 PM
Who knows, maybe a loss like this will wake Cashman up and he'll finally get rid of all the dead weight. It's ridiculous how there's some people on this team that don't even belong in the majors, let alone the Yankees, and there are better options in the minors who should be up here!
players like Wilson, Ponson, Green & Bubba are a dime a dozen. It's ok to have 1 or 2 on your team (not 4), as long as you don't use them much, don't put them in important games and can't find anybody better. Can't believe all that has to be true for the Yanks. Know Torre preaches he rather have experience over youth, but not when the experience is mostly bad....
CptCrunch
07-23-06, 01:50 PM
Yesterday we were praising Torre for some gutsy moves. Now some of us want him fired? Baseball sure is a funny game.
Bipolar fans are found in every sport.
NelsonMuntz
07-23-06, 01:51 PM
No manager would have brought in Villone for Ponson in the 3rd. Not one. Wilson is on the team for this purpose. He should be released after this, but a manager has to use what he has. The choice was Wilson or leaving in Ponson, though he too looked awful. Chacon pitched a couple of days ago. You have to go to a long man.
Blaming Torre is yet another instance of scape goating. The Yankees have not had the luck of last year with starters so far.
You can argue whether or not pulling Ponson was justified but why bring in Wilson when the game is still within reach? Wilson is not better than Ponson even when Ponson is struggling. That is the equivalent of raising the white flag and giving the game away.
I don't understand how anyone can say this.
The last time we saw Wilson, he gave up a HR to the second batter he faced. That was two short days ago. This time, Wilson didn't surprise us by actually recording an out first.
If Joe wanted to win, he would've chosen Villone. Instead he chose a losing option.
..and then he gets raked over the coals for overusing his staff til their arms fall off....
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 01:51 PM
He has allowed 8 baserunners, allowed two inheriated runners to score and he has gotten a whopping 3 outs.
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 01:51 PM
Hopefully we won't sign anymore pitchers who get cut from KC....
TheBamTino24
07-23-06, 01:51 PM
Bipolar fans are found in every sport.
I really don't know what else Torre was supposed to do.
ZYanksRule
07-23-06, 01:52 PM
I don't understand how anyone can say this.
The last time we saw Wilson, he gave up a HR to the second batter he faced. That was two short days ago. This time, Wilson didn't surprise us by actually recording an out first.
If Joe wanted to win, he would've chosen Villone. Instead he chose a losing option.
If Joe wanted to win, his starter would have gone at LEAST into the 5th inning.
He couldn't get out of the third. Games your starter is gone in the 3rd inning, I guarantee, the team loses 90% of those games.
Every team, not just the Yankees.
montrealer
07-23-06, 01:52 PM
No manager would have brought in Villone for Ponson in the 3rd. Not one. Wilson is on the team for this purpose. He should be released after this, but a manager has to use what he has. The choice was Wilson or leaving in Ponson, though he too looked awful. Chacon pitched a couple of days ago. You have to go to a long man.
Blaming Torre is yet another instance of scape goating. The Yankees have not had the luck of last year with starters so far.
When you`re getting your ass kicked posters here need to vent.....so let them vent.
We all know deep inside our pitching sucks but we`re still in denial.
Joe`s the manager so let him take the trash talking .He`s a big boy.;)
FelipePArantes
07-23-06, 01:52 PM
will it ever end?
yankee48104
07-23-06, 01:52 PM
Bipolar fans are found in every sport.
so true, so true;)
jimmykey2
07-23-06, 01:52 PM
Yesterday we were praising Torre for some gutsy moves. Now some of us want him fired? Baseball sure is a funny game.
How anyone thought bringing Kris Wilson into a game that was still winnable is an intelligent or defendable position is beyond me.
jughead
07-23-06, 01:52 PM
Wilson has a 9.00 WHIP in this game :)
TheBamTino24
07-23-06, 01:53 PM
Has Wilson just given up 2 hits to McDonald?
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 01:53 PM
Come on ump give us some more mercy calls.
Yankees8185
07-23-06, 01:53 PM
Does Ponson get another start?
I would give it to Chacon.
Look at it this way....the key arms in the pen get full rest today, none of us are going to be upset about this after the last out (easy game to brush off and move on), and since the Yanks picked up a full game on everyone yesterday the worst situation to be in would be where we were yesterday morning.
CptCrunch
07-23-06, 01:53 PM
Somehow we got out of the inning :lol:.
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 01:53 PM
Nice DP! Now let's get 5 runs this inning! :lol:
The real issue is neither we (nor any other team so far) has found this year's Small, a 'throw crap against the wall' pitcher who sticks for half a season...
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 01:53 PM
Has Wilson just given up 2 hits to McDonald?
Yes, 9 baserunners allowed and 2 inheriated runners allowed to score and he has only gotten 3 outs.
Double play! :D
Jays leave 'em loaded, don't score a run or anything! :)
TheBamTino24
07-23-06, 01:54 PM
It is incredible how high above his stats Reed Johnson is playing.
Boy, I'm glad I got tickets to last nights game. :eek:
JeterRodriguezSheff
07-23-06, 01:54 PM
How anyone thought bringing Kris Wilson into a game that was still winnable is an intelligent or defendable position is beyond me.
Why is Kris Wilson even on the team? Cash should give Torre some better pitchers to work with. Everybody complains how Torre burns pitchers out, but now you want him to go to them in the third inning. This is Cashman's faul imo.
ZYanksRule
07-23-06, 01:54 PM
players like Wilson, Ponson, Green & Bubba are a dime a dozen. It's ok to have 1 or 2 on your team (not 4), as long as you don't use them much, don't put them in important games and can't find anybody better. Can't believe all that has to be true for the Yanks. Know Torre preaches he rather have experience over youth, but not when the experience is mostly bad....
Most of these guys (3 of the 4) weren't on this team at teh start of the season, and are only on it now because of injuries. Bubba was going to ride the bench, maybe play once a week.
Wilson is subbing for Chacon, but for my argument's sake, for Pavano who is injured.
Ponson, same deal, another option
Green for Cano.
If these injuries didn't happen, we wouldn't have had any of these guys on the team, that's waht happens when you get injuries, the replacements are never as good.
FelipePArantes
07-23-06, 01:54 PM
after all!! NO DAMAGE!!!! :D
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 01:54 PM
Game turning DP;)
Hey, remember when we were down 5-0 to the Angels in the playoffs and after Small got a DP in the 4th to end the inning we scored 6 runs in the next two innings?
CptCrunch
07-23-06, 01:55 PM
The comeback starts this inning!
Does Ponson get another start?
I would give it to Chacon.I give him another start, but have Chacon ready. ;)
JeterRodriguezSheff
07-23-06, 01:55 PM
The real issue is neither we (nor any other team so far) has found this year's Small, a 'throw crap against the wall' pitcher who sticks for half a season...
You cant expect to find a Small, what happened last year with Chacon and Small was a once in a lifetime thing.
Yankees8185
07-23-06, 01:55 PM
OK, get at least 3 or 4 runs now.
YanksForLife
07-23-06, 01:55 PM
Does Ponson get another start?
I would give it to Chacon.
With the off day Thursday we have 9 days to come up with an answer for that.
TheBamTino24
07-23-06, 01:55 PM
Game turning DP;)
Hey, remember when we were down 5-0 to the Angels in the playoffs and after Small got a DP in the 4th to end the inning we scored 6 runs in the next two innings?
Yeah. We got a Hideki Matsui HR if I recall. Maybe Nick Green or Bubba Crosby will jack one or two...lol.
How anyone thought bringing Kris Wilson into a game that was still winnable is an intelligent or defendable position is beyond me.
I agree that Wilson is horrible and doesn't deserve to be on a major league roster. That's an argument elsewhere, however. What was he supposed to do? I guess he could have left in Ponson, but he likely gets hit hard still. Probably not 10 runs, but he was giving up rockets.
Chacon pitched a bunch Friday night, and likely couldn't give many innings today.
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 01:55 PM
Jeter, single
Giambi, walk.
A-Rod, walk
Jo-Po, base clearing double.
Bernie, homerun.
Runs scored 5.
Nice DP! Now let's get 5 runs this inning! :lol:
Hey, it could happen!
You cant expect to find a Small, what happened last year with Chacon and Small was a once in a lifetime thing.
I completely agree, nobody is hitting the lottery this year....
brosiusbuddy
07-23-06, 01:56 PM
Hey, positive from this game: When Giambi doesn't have to move his feet he's a good defensive 1bman, lol. I hope I'm today's bad luck charm because I'm out of here. Go yanks!
One thing, however.....even though I think the Tigers will falter terribly (the pitching is going to fall apart due to extension, youth, and the fact that one of them is Kenny Rogers), they have put themselves in a position where their .500 record here on out will give them 97 or so wins- likely enough to get in.
Here's a perfect spot.....lay one down. Down 7 runs, they are giving Giambi an easy way on base.
ZYanksRule
07-23-06, 01:57 PM
How anyone thought bringing Kris Wilson into a game that was still winnable is an intelligent or defendable position is beyond me.
In he 3rd inning? It was either he or Chacon.
Look at Wilson's game log:
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/mlb_individual_player_gamebygamelog.jsp?playerID=330892&statType=2
He's been inconsistent; good one day, bad another. Chacon has been plain bad since he got hurt in May. So, really, it was a coin toss between the 2 of them.
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 01:58 PM
Tomahawked the other way. Baserunner alert!
ICEBERG18
07-23-06, 01:58 PM
I might as well spread some good news. Eric Duncan has 2 long Hr's today and a walk.
Game turning DP;)
Hey, remember when we were down 5-0 to the Angels in the playoffs and after Small got a DP in the 4th to end the inning we scored 6 runs in the next two innings?
But we lost that game :o
Another positive ... Giambi may be out of his slump! :)
Come on A-Rod ... get on base, willya!
jimmykey2
07-23-06, 01:58 PM
Why is Kris Wilson even on the team? Cash should give Torre some better pitchers to work with. Everybody complains how Torre burns pitchers out, but now you want him to go to them in the third inning. This is Cashman's faul imo.
I agree with you there 100%, but how many times does a guy have to lose you games before you realize you can't bring him into a close situation? This was an important game and was still winnable. Randy Johnson and Mike Mussina are pitching the next two days... we should expect them to pitch well based on recent performance. Perhaps the pen would (Villone in particular) would get time off. TRY to win this game. Going to Kris Wilson (or anyone but Villone) wasn't the decision to make if winning was the priority.
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 01:58 PM
Get on base, Alex.
TheBamTino24
07-23-06, 01:58 PM
A-Rod up, how bout a HR?
b_joseph
07-23-06, 01:59 PM
come on Alex..no pressure here
ZYanksRule
07-23-06, 01:59 PM
ARod should have 2 hits today.
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 01:59 PM
Well, at least he didn't strike out.
A-Rod can't catch a break. At least he hit that one hard! :o
b_joseph
07-23-06, 02:00 PM
A-Rod can't catch a break. At least he hit that one hard! :o
there are no pictures in a box score.
Casey37
07-23-06, 02:01 PM
ARod should have 2 hits today.
Alex needs to be left the hell alone. That should work wonders.
Yanksin2k6
07-23-06, 02:02 PM
In he 3rd inning? It was either he or Chacon.
Look at Wilson's game log:
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/mlb_individual_player_gamebygamelog.jsp?playerID=330892&statType=2
He's been inconsistent; good one day, bad another. Chacon has been plain bad since he got hurt in May. So, really, it was a coin toss between the 2 of them.
Im sorry but I still dont see why they took out Ponson so fast. Your telling me that Joe the asspirate thought the he would do better with Wilson in there????????????????????
He should have left Ponson in that game. we would probably be donw 5-3 at the most. Not 10-3.. This game is not Ponsons fault. Torre needs to get his head out of his ass.
Im sorry but I still dont see why they took out Ponson so fast. Your telling me that Joe the asspirate thought the he would do better with Wilson in there????????????????????
He should have left Ponson in that game. we would probably be donw 5-3 at the most. Not 10-3.. This game is not Ponsons fault. Torre needs to get his head out of his ass.
Enjoy your several days off from the game thread :mad:
jimmykey2
07-23-06, 02:04 PM
This is as pissed off as I've been a in a long time watching the Yankees.
I gotta go to keep my sanity.
Catch you guys tomorrow.
Joe... at least pull Posada, even if Stinnett is already starting tomorrow.
ZYanksRule
07-23-06, 02:04 PM
Im sorry but I still dont see why they took out Ponson so fast. Your telling me that Joe the asspirate thought the he would do better with Wilson in there????????????????????
He should have left Ponson in that game. we would probably be donw 5-3 at the most. Not 10-3.. This game is not Ponsons fault. Torre needs to get his head out of his ass.
It was a quick hook. Probably too quick of a hook, but Ponson wasn't having a good day. It's not that Wilson was going to do better, it's that we needed to bring the long man in, Wilson is the long man. That's what the decision was.
This is as pissed off as I've been a in a long time watching the Yankees.
I gotta go to keep my sanity.
Catch you guys tomorrow.
Joe... at least pull Posada, even if Stinnett is already starting tomorrow.
I would also give Posada the day right now...and then start him tomorrow. Too much dead weight in that lineup.
NyyNjnNyg
07-23-06, 02:05 PM
Chacon in.
yankee48104
07-23-06, 02:05 PM
Torre needs to be defended here. Yes, he probably made a bad move intaking Ponson out, and he may not have had many choices. But come on here, he is having a manager of the year season with the Yankees still in it with all the injuries they have and the pitching problems and how well Boston and Toronto is playing, the list goes on....
So he made a bad choice, possibly, but don't we all make bad decisions at time????
NelsonMuntz
07-23-06, 02:05 PM
Im sorry but I still dont see why they took out Ponson so fast. Your telling me that Joe the asspirate thought the he would do better with Wilson in there????????????????????
He should have left Ponson in that game. we would probably be donw 5-3 at the most. Not 10-3.. This game is not Ponsons fault. Torre needs to get his head out of his ass.
I thought he pulled Ponson too soon as well, although that is certainly a debatable point. He got hurt on pitches he left over the plate, but his stuff wasn't bad. What is not defensible is bringing Wilson into a close game.
VirginiaYank
07-23-06, 02:06 PM
Most of these guys (3 of the 4) weren't on this team at teh start of the season, and are only on it now because of injuries. Bubba was going to ride the bench, maybe play once a week.
Wilson is subbing for Chacon, but for my argument's sake, for Pavano who is injured.
Ponson, same deal, another option
Green for Cano.
If these injuries didn't happen, we wouldn't have had any of these guys on the team, that's waht happens when you get injuries, the replacements are never as good.
Don't really disagree. There's a reason they're replacment players. Guess my point is that it seems like pitchers like Beam & Smith are better options. Some of these injuries are long-term. Smoke and mirrors only work for so long. Anyway, curious to see what July 31 brings. Can't believe there won't be some change(s)...
The next time this rotation slot comes up is an off day, Kay ...
ZYanksRule
07-23-06, 02:06 PM
Torre needs to be defended here. Yes, he probably made a bad move intaking Ponson out, and he may not have had many choices. But come on here, he is having a manager of the year season with the Yankees still in it with all the injuries they have and the pitching problems and how well Boston and Toronto is playing, the list goes on....
So he made a bad choice, possibly, but don't we all make bad decisions at time????
So true.
So many people need someone to blame for a day like today, but sometimes, it's just not right. When your starter goes 2.1 innings, you will lose that game probably 9/10 times. It's just not conducive to winning.
Here's what I would do tonight-
DFA Wilson, recall either Smith or White. The former in the pen, the latter for a start. I would do Smith for now, skip the 5 spot, and could even go with Clippard if he keeps dominating AA.
DFA Bubba, recall Thompson.
Send Phillips down (let him get claimed- then pull him back and deal him for middling prospects, or let him go if it is a lower level team), recall Pena.
Play Pena against righties. Adds a ton of pop, good glove. Play Giambi against lefties at first, Thompson in right, DH Bernie.
ZYanksRule
07-23-06, 02:08 PM
Wells is a really good hitter.
Yep Chacon clearly would have been the answer today...
MassNYYfan
07-23-06, 02:08 PM
Boy I'm sick of Vernon Wells.
Well, guess Chacon isn't the answer either ... :o
Damb, after this series I'll be almost happy to see that Texas lineup ... :eek:
b_joseph
07-23-06, 02:08 PM
Some of you wanted Chacon inserted???
FelipePArantes
07-23-06, 02:08 PM
the game is over...
cliftonite
07-23-06, 02:09 PM
great
CptCrunch
07-23-06, 02:09 PM
Let's see if Aaron Guiel can pitch.
montrealer
07-23-06, 02:09 PM
Well ...Now what does Torre do.
I'm sick of
Chacon
Wilson
Ponson
Wright
Have I forgotton anyone?
It's not Wells, it's our lack of pitching
ICEBERG18
07-23-06, 02:09 PM
If Wells ever becomes a free agent........................Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
b_joseph
07-23-06, 02:10 PM
Toronto are probably the only team this year, that have made us look REALLY average.
yankees27
07-23-06, 02:10 PM
I would kill to have Vernon Wells on the Yankees.
At least Chacon looks better than Wilson so far ...
Three pretty easy outs and a long solo home run to Wells passes for a decent inning in this game.
yankee48104
07-23-06, 02:10 PM
I would kill to have Vernon Wells on the Yankees.
or on my fantasy team;)
JeterRodriguezSheff
07-23-06, 02:10 PM
the game is over...
The game has BEEN over for a while
I'm sick of
Chacon
Wilson
Ponson
Wright
Have I forgotton anyone?
Yup ... you forgot A-Rod. ;)
JeterRodriguezSheff
07-23-06, 02:11 PM
Toronto are probably the only team this year, that have made us look REALLY average.
And the Nationals, and the Red Sox earlier in the year.
ZYanksRule
07-23-06, 02:11 PM
I'm sick of
Chacon
Wilson
Ponson
Wright
Have I forgotton anyone?
It's not Wells, it's our lack of pitching
Wright?????
You mean the guy that has had some pretty good starts before yesterday?
Wright has helped us get to the position we are at, because of his halfway decent season. 4.71 is not that terrible, despite the bad outing yesterday and against the Mets to open the month.
just-blaze
07-23-06, 02:11 PM
Yep Chacon clearly would have been the answer today...
Solo shot, and the only hit allowed in the inning > Mr. 3 RunShot and Senior 2 Runshot
I would kill to have Vernon Wells on the Yankees.If he were on the Yankees he would probably strike out every at bat and muff easy plays in the field ... :P
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:11 PM
Well ...Now what does Torre do.
Keep Chacon in there of course, what you think 1 run is bad?
montrealer
07-23-06, 02:12 PM
Wow...people are leaving the GT in groves....I guess it`s for better.Don`t want to get RO`d. Well where`s my cat.....he needs a good kicking.
At least Chacon looks better than Wilson so far ...
Three pretty easy outs and a long solo home run to Wells passes for a decent inning in this game.
...tell the chef the ..... on a shingle with bernaise sauce was much better than the BBQ sauce....
VirginiaYank
07-23-06, 02:12 PM
I'm sick of
Chacon
Wilson
Ponson
Wright
Have I forgotton anyone?
It's not Wells, it's our lack of pitching
If you want to get into position players, add
Stinnet (Sal Fasano was DFA yesterday)
Bubba (Thompson is better even if he doesn't hit a lick)
Green (though he'll be gone when Cano is back)
yankees27
07-23-06, 02:12 PM
Compared to Wilson, Chacon looked like Cy Young.
Oh great, another pitcher no one has ever seen before ... :o
A good pitcher will beat a good hitter 80% of the time. Raise your hand if you think we can make the playoff with these guys starting games
Chacon
Wilson
Wright
Small
Ponson
Who have I missed. And Kay thinks Small may be coming back. This is past the point of lunacy trying to fill the 5th starter.
yankee48104
07-23-06, 02:13 PM
If you want to get into position players, add
Stinnet (Sal Fasano was DFA yesterday)
Bubba (Thompson is better even if he doesn't hit a lick)
Green (though he'll be gone when Cano is back)
Fasano is a gamer hmmmmmmm....Cashman get on the phone
MassNYYfan
07-23-06, 02:14 PM
Let's just get the hell out of Toronto without contracting any staph infections and I'll be happy.
Wow...people are leaving the GT in groves....I guess it`s for better.Don`t want to get RO`d. Well where`s my cat.....he needs a good kicking.Aw ... don't kick Kitty! Put up a picture of any random Yankee today and throw darts instead! ;)
Bernie pops up. One down. :(
A good pitcher will beat a good hitter 80% of the time. Raise your hand if you think we can make the playoff with these guys starting games
Chacon
Wilson
Wright
Small
Ponson
Who have I missed. And Kay thinks Small may be coming back. This is past the point of lunacy trying to fill the 5th starter.
I hear there's a guy named Johnson who may be available in a week.....
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 02:14 PM
i'd still give ponson another shot...one more FINAL.
but the idea of having smith in the rotation is nice.
get rid of both chacon and wilson
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:14 PM
A good pitcher will beat a good hitter 80% of the time. Raise your hand if you think we can make the playoff with these guys starting games
Chacon
Wilson
Wright
Small
Ponson
Who have I missed. And Kay thinks Small may be coming back. This is past the point of lunacy trying to fill the 5th starter.
We will make the playoffs, we are only a lousy 1,5 games out of a playoff spot (actually 1 game if we win the one we have in hand).
Yanksin2k6
07-23-06, 02:17 PM
Home Run derby is on again?
MassNYYfan
07-23-06, 02:17 PM
Chip away chip away chip chip chip
;)
Hey, Green hit a double, we're creeping back in here! :)
CptCrunch
07-23-06, 02:17 PM
Nick Green is a hit machine.
b_joseph
07-23-06, 02:17 PM
here comes the rally :)
MassNYYfan
07-23-06, 02:18 PM
Well Bubba gets an RBI single further ensuring he'll be a Yankee til he dies and gets a monument.
Now we're just down by six! :)
CptCrunch
07-23-06, 02:18 PM
Bubba gets a hit. Wow.
b_joseph
07-23-06, 02:18 PM
ok..6 more
Yanksin2k6
07-23-06, 02:18 PM
GS is getting old so you can bet that something is gonna happen by the trade deadline.
I CAN FEEL IT!!!
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:18 PM
Bubba Crosby IS "The Rally Killer".
No playing in theatres near you!
Not this time though;)
Well Bubba gets an RBI single further ensuring he'll be a Yankee til he dies and gets a monument.
I can live with that... as long as it all happens in the next 2 weeks
yankee48104
07-23-06, 02:18 PM
If the bottom of the line up can do it, what can the top and middle do?
I smell rally.....chip...keep the line moving....yada yada
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:19 PM
Just get on base, Damon.
b_joseph
07-23-06, 02:19 PM
If Giambi can get an AB, with only 1 out..........who knows!
I can live with that... as long as it all happens in the next 2 weeks
:lol:
JeterRodriguezSheff
07-23-06, 02:20 PM
If the Jays blow this, then they should all retire
yankee48104
07-23-06, 02:20 PM
Let's go Yankees :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
MassNYYfan
07-23-06, 02:20 PM
I can live with that... as long as it all happens in the next 2 weeks
So you're calling for Bubba's death in the next 2 weeks?
And I thought *I* was harsh on the guy. :lol:
Well....a HR makes it a ballgame.
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:22 PM
Come on, Jason, this our chance!!!
ZYanksRule
07-23-06, 02:22 PM
Lets keep this going
b_joseph
07-23-06, 02:22 PM
Ok...Jason, you must let Alex get an AB in this inning. That is your prime objective
CptCrunch
07-23-06, 02:22 PM
Schoenweiss coming in for Giambi.
So you're calling for Bubba's death in the next 2 weeks?
And I thought *I* was harsh on the guy. :lol:
HEY...I thought I was givin him a break, it's past the deadline...
jughead
07-23-06, 02:23 PM
Giambi has to homer here
yankee48104
07-23-06, 02:23 PM
Giambino,
This time over the wall....over the wall.
Thanks,
A Concerned Fan
just-blaze
07-23-06, 02:23 PM
Dammit, here comes Yankee killer Schoenweis.
Come on Giambi, just lean out there a little bit and let ARod pick u up.
You have to like it that they're battling. And they hit a 24-year old pitcher that they'd never seen before! :)
I like A-rod, but I much prefer Giambi take care of business rather than asking A-rod to do it. At the moment, I could strike him out.
jughead
07-23-06, 02:25 PM
I like A-rod, but I much prefer Giambi take care of business rather than asking A-rod to do it. At the moment, I could strike him out.I want to see the Wilson vs. Rodriguez at bat... the immovable wall against the unstoppable projectile :eek::D
Well, Jason gave it a ride but Vernon tracked it down. :(
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:26 PM
Just score two in each inning from here on out;)
I want to see the Wilson vs. Rodriguez at bat... the immovable wall against the unstoppable projectile :eek::DWe'll have to hope Wilson is DFAd, and the Red Sox pick him up. That could get interesting! ;)
b_joseph
07-23-06, 02:26 PM
damn...I got excited for 3 seconds
People realize to root against Minny too, now, correct? A loss and a win by the Twins puts them .5 behind us.
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 02:27 PM
They needed more than 2 there. But I guess 11-5 is better than 11-3....
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:27 PM
We'll have to hope Wilson is DFAd, and the Red Sox pick him up. That could get interesting! ;)
Why, so we can see him strike out the side with the bases loaded 0 outs:(
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:28 PM
People realize to root against Minny too, now, correct? A loss and a win by the Twins puts them .5 behind us.
.5 behind us.
Hey, Shawn vs. Zaun ... you don't see that one every day! :)
Why, so we can see him strike out the side with the bases loaded 0 outs:(And people call ME a pessimist! ;)
Wow, nice K, Shawn. Keep it up, please! :)
yankee48104
07-23-06, 02:29 PM
Is Chac auditioning or what?
sweet_lou_14
07-23-06, 02:30 PM
I'd like to know why the hell Torre went to Wilson instead of sticking with Ponson or going to Chacon OR Villone.
jughead
07-23-06, 02:31 PM
I'd like to know why the hell Torre went to Wilson instead of sticking with Ponson or going to Chacon OR Villone.He's got a bellyful of guts? He knows how to get it done?
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:32 PM
I'd like to know why the hell Torre went to Wilson instead of sticking with Ponson or going to Chacon OR Villone.
I can understand and agreeing with him not to use Villone in the third.
But he had three opitions even without Villone.
a) Leaving Ponson in
b) Using Kris Wilson
c) Using Shawn Chacon
One two three inning and five in a row for Chacon. This is the best he's looked in a long while! :)
b_joseph
07-23-06, 02:33 PM
People realize to root against Minny too, now, correct? A loss and a win by the Twins puts them .5 behind us.
no point in worrying about the teams behind you when there are already too many teams ahead of you.
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:34 PM
Uno, dos, tres!
Lets get 4 runs here.
A-Rod and Bernie has to get on for Posada.
yankee48104
07-23-06, 02:34 PM
One two three inning and five in a row for Chacon. This is the best he's looked in a long while! :)
I wonder if it b/c he does not have any pressure?
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:35 PM
I wonder if it b/c he does not have any pressure?
I think its partly that, however I still have more faith in Chacon than Kris Wilson, Sidney Ponson and Jaret Wright combined.
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 02:36 PM
we need to do what we did during the hot streak...no reason to let min get excited
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 02:37 PM
I think its partly that, however I still have more faith in Chacon than Kris Wilson, Sidney Ponson and Jaret Wright combined.
wright for the most part has NOT been bad.
I was expecting something different from Alex there. He is two for sixteen in the series ... :o
Nice hit, Jorge.
I think its partly that, however I still have more faith in Chacon than Kris Wilson, Sidney Ponson and Jaret Wright combined.
That's like saying you have more faith in Larry, as opposed to Moe, Curley or Shemp for your brain surgery....
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:37 PM
Atta boy, Po.
Get on base, Bernie.
Uno, dos, tres!
Lets get 4 runs here.
A-Rod and Bernie has to get on for Posada.That's hard when Bernie bats AFTER Posada ... ;)
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:37 PM
wright for the most part has NOT been bad.
No he hasnīt.
JeterRodriguezSheff
07-23-06, 02:38 PM
Atta boy, Po.
Get on base, Bernie.
................ that hit a home run
JeterRodriguezSheff
07-23-06, 02:39 PM
The White Sox and Twins are winning...so yeah if we could pull off a miracl it would be nice
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 02:40 PM
No he hasnīt.
what about the games vs
philly
atlanta
up in fenway (5 shutout innings)
last start before ASB vs tampa
earlier in the year against tampa going 7 and giving up 2 runs
game vs padilla and texas before tiring
start prior to the one vs toronto
cant remember the others.
I didn't realize Bernie only became a switch hitter when he got to the minor leagues ...
Anyway, he GIDP, so no big inning there. :(
Kluivert4Ever
07-23-06, 02:41 PM
what about the games vs
philly
atlanta
up in fenway (5 shutout innings)
last start before ASB vs tampa
earlier in the year against tampa going 7 and giving up 2 runs
game vs padilla and texas before tiring
start prior to the one vs toronto
cant remember the others.
I said, "no he hasnīt" in regards to your statement that he has not been that bad.
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 02:41 PM
bernie dp's at the worst time
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 02:42 PM
I said, "no he hasnīt" in regards to your statement that he has not been that bad.
oops! sorry i'm sort of in food coma. sorry once again.
jughead
07-23-06, 02:42 PM
bernie dp's at the worst timeThis is the World Series, bottom of the 9th @ YS with the bases loaded, 1 out, and the Yanks trailing by one? :confused:
I'd like to know why the hell Torre went to Wilson instead of sticking with Ponson or going to Chacon OR Villone.Chacon pitched quite a bit on Friday, and he wasn't sharp. Wilson is on the team and he was the logical one to go to, if you're taking Ponson out. I would have left Sid in a bit longer though ... easy to say, given hindsight.
CptCrunch
07-23-06, 02:43 PM
Wow, we've actually managed to make John McDonald look like a good hitter.
Bubba shouldn't try those diving plays if he doesn't have a chance to make 'em. McDonald with a standup triple ... should've been a double.
sweet_lou_14
07-23-06, 02:43 PM
Raise your hand if you've seen enough of Bubba Crosby.
Yeah....Bubba ain't exactly flashing the leather. Would've beena very good catch, but he killed himself there with a terrible route. Ran straight over instead of angle.
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 02:43 PM
This is the World Series, bottom of the 9th @ YS with the bases loaded, 1 out, and the Yanks trailing by one? :confused:
i meant in this game.
does bubba always dive for everything?
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 02:43 PM
This is the World Series, bottom of the 9th @ YS with the bases loaded, 1 out, and the Yanks trailing by one? :confused:
You don't even have to go that far. How about regular season, down by a run in the 7th inning with the bases loaded? Indeed, if there ever was a time to hit into a DP, it's when your team is getting bitchslapped.
MassNYYfan
07-23-06, 02:44 PM
Raise your hand if you've seen enough of Bubba Crosby.
A long time ago.
Well, it's pretty much a given that the Red Sox will win today. They have Lester going for them. :(
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 02:45 PM
Bubba shouldn't try those diving plays if he doesn't have a chance to make 'em. McDonald with a standup triple ... should've been a double.
Bubba is playing his way back to bench duty. Or maybe to Columbus when we actually get a real outfielder.
MassNYYfan
07-23-06, 02:45 PM
Well, it's pretty much a given that the Red Sox will win today. They have Lester going for them. :(
He'll walk 5, he'll have at least 2 innings where he loads the bases with 0 or 1 out yet doesn't give up more than 1 run, etc, etc, etc, etc.
jughead
07-23-06, 02:45 PM
You don't even have to go that far. How about regular season, down by a run in the 7th inning with the bases loaded? Indeed, if there ever was a time to hit into a DP, it's when your team is getting bitchslapped.True. But thinking about if A-Rod GIDP in that World Series situation... I don't think he would be able to walk around safely in NY ever again :eek:
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 02:46 PM
chacon is still on the team why?
and over smith and beam?
Jays re-extend the lead to seven. :(
Can't wait until the conclusion of today's game to see if that thread starter starts another thread:
"What are the positives in todays loss?"
CptCrunch
07-23-06, 02:46 PM
I think I'm going to turn off the radio now.
Well, it's pretty much a given that the Red Sox will win today. They have Lester going for them. :(
I think you can mark this down- whether it is today or the next start or two- Jon Lester is going to start a string of games where he gives up tons of runs. He simply throws way too many balls at this stage of his career. I believe he'll be a good one- but I also think he's smoke and mirrors to this point. Good stuff, poor command.
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 02:46 PM
Ford's been having their "Final Days" for about a month now. Enough already.
Oh good. Another anti-smoking commercial.
jughead
07-23-06, 02:46 PM
Can't wait until the conclusion of today's game to see if that thread starter starts another thread:
"What are the positives in todays loss?"Personally I would trade one loss for the DFA of Crosby, Wilson, and some other dead wood (it'll save us more in the long run)
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 02:47 PM
Well, it's pretty much a given that the Red Sox will win today. They have Lester going for them. :(
then they will lose...every time an anouncer says he hasnt done this/that, they do that...:lol:
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 02:47 PM
True. But thinking about if A-Rod GIDP in that World Series situation... I don't think he would be able to walk around safely in NY ever again :eek:
He did it in the ALDS, which was bad enough.
I'd trade today's loss for the DFA of:
Chacon
Wilson
Bubba
Green
Ponson
And I'm sure I missed a few
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 02:49 PM
He did it in the ALDS, which was bad enough.
he should just stop talking to the media and be like leave me alone...he opens himself to more criticism when he stinks and then talks about it....
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 02:49 PM
I'd trade today's loss for the DFA of:
Chacon
Wilson
Bubba
Green
Ponson
And I'm sure I missed a few
Okay, so who do you replace them all with?
I think you can mark this down- whether it is today or the next start or two- Jon Lester is going to start a string of games where he gives up tons of runs. He simply throws way too many balls at this stage of his career. I believe he'll be a good one- but I also think he's smoke and mirrors to this point. Good stuff, poor command.Psst, I'm trying to jinx him here ... ;)
THIRTEEN to five on the Wells sac fly. :(
jughead
07-23-06, 02:50 PM
I'd trade today's loss for the DFA of:
Chacon
Wilson
Bubba
Green
Ponson
And I'm sure I missed a fewLet's throw in Sturtze for good measure, although it's likely he'll never pitch for the Yankees again. It's disturbing seeing his name on the roster still.
yankees27
07-23-06, 02:50 PM
Sac fly is about as well as we've done vs. Wells today.
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 02:51 PM
At least we aren't wasting the bullpen today and giving the non-dregs a day off.
jughead
07-23-06, 02:51 PM
I don't want to see Proctor, Villone, Farnsworth, or Rivera in this game. Just make Chacon finish it.
Replace them with kids from the minors. They'd get a little playing time and they sure as HE-- cannot be as bad as they players.
If we're going to lose, at least lose with kids that come to play and give their all. It'd be more enjoyable to watch too.
JeterRodriguezSheff
07-23-06, 02:53 PM
Replace them with kids from the minors. They'd get a little playing time and they sure as HE-- cannot be as bad as they players.
If we're going to lose, at least lose with kids that come to play and give their all. It'd be more enjoyable to watch too.
Yeah lets waste an oppurtunity to get in the playoffs because of this loss today.
YanksForLife
07-23-06, 02:53 PM
Okay, so who do you replace them all with?
Chacon.....Matt Smith
Wilson.....TJ Beam
Bubba.....KT
Green.....we're stuck with him until Robbie comes back
Ponson.....keep him around and use him in long relief, shouldn't need the 5th starter again until August 10th because of off days.
jughead
07-23-06, 02:54 PM
Chacon.....Matt Smith
Wilson.....TJ Beam
Bubba.....KT
Green.....we're stuck with him until Robbie comes back
Ponson.....Steven White
Fixed!
JeterRodriguezSheff
07-23-06, 02:54 PM
Okay, so who do you replace them all with?
Exactly as sad as it is with all the injuries they are our BEST options
goin for 27
07-23-06, 02:55 PM
Did anyone notice if they sat Villone back down? I am going to be very aggravated if he pitches at this point.
just-blaze
07-23-06, 02:58 PM
Id rather DFA Cairo than Green.
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 02:58 PM
seriously what point does bubba serve on this team? he cant even take arod's spot as whipping boy!
hobokenfish
07-23-06, 02:58 PM
Chacon.....Matt Smith
Wilson.....TJ Beam
Bubba.....KT
Green.....we're stuck with him until Robbie comes back
Ponson.....keep him around and use him in long relief, shouldn't need the 5th starter again until August 10th because of off days.
So you replace two long-men/potential emergency starters with short men? I can understand Matt Smith, but what did TJ Beam do to deserve another callup? And Bubba vs. Kevin Thompson is like 6 in one hand and a half-dozen in the other. Not exactly a huge difference there. And as for the other two guys you simply want to release, there are no replacements? Makes sense....
I just realize there's something odd about this game ... other than the play eons ago where he only had to flip to second, I don't think one single ball has been hit to Alex ... has it? :confused:
Darn, I didn't want to waste Villone in this game.
Guiel at first ... Cairo at second ... Green at short and Phillips at third. Stinnett catching!
Hi all....
How are you all doing today?
Darn, I didn't want to waste Villone in this game.
Guiel at first ... Cairo at second ... Green at short and Phillips at third. Stinnett catching!
amazing what $200 million buys you...
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 03:02 PM
I just realize there's something odd about this game ... other than the play eons ago where he only had to flip to second, I don't think one single ball has been hit to Alex ... has it? :confused:
so what's the problem?
Nope, I went back through the play by play ... Alex had just one chance today and not a tough one (and he handled it OK). And now he's out of the game!
so what's the problem?Well, it would have been a positive in this game if he could have made a few flawless plays in the field!
just-blaze
07-23-06, 03:04 PM
Chacon pitched quite a bit on Friday, and he wasn't sharp. Wilson is on the team and he was the logical one to go to, if you're taking Ponson out. I would have left Sid in a bit longer though ... easy to say, given hindsight.
Hinske is 1-11 against Chacon. But Im with you I would have left Ponson a little bit longer.
indianyanksfan
07-23-06, 03:04 PM
only a .5 game separating us and twins and 2.5 behind chisox
b_joseph
07-23-06, 03:05 PM
only a .5 game separating us and twins and 2.5 behind chisox
2 games is nothing
Hi all....
How are you all doing today?Jolly, jolly! :D
Jolly, jolly! :D
Good to hear. Too bad today's game is a clinker, but otherwise... life is good.
sweet_lou_14
07-23-06, 03:07 PM
I wish we had Ortiz, he would lead off the inning with a nine-run HR.
TheBamTino24
07-23-06, 03:08 PM
only a .5 game separating us and twins and 2.5 behind chisox
Aim for the division; less to worry about.
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