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Jersey Yankee
05-27-06, 09:31 AM
In the finale of the last Boston series at Fenway, Ortiz was up with the bases loaded, 2 outs in the 8th. Farnsworth nailed him looking.

In yesterday's game, also 2 outs in the 8th, a 3-run HR was hit, which decided the game. Farnsworth failed this time.

Since it's 4 outs, why wasn't Mo used in both instances? This seems highly questionable to me. Any explanations?

Thanks. :)
yankeesmarc923
05-27-06, 09:37 AM
i'd assume the issue lies within the question, if you're gonna use him for 3 outs, why not four? if four, why not five? while we're at five, why not the 8th and 9th innings. one, i think the reason is to not over use rivera (having to sit down while the yankees bat in the bottom of the 8th or top of the 9th doesnt help) and two, it gives farnsworth and rivera each a specific job, which may help them.
TheBamTino24
05-27-06, 09:45 AM
He threw 1.2 in the 2nd game at Boston. Why wear him out? All these extra pitches add up over the course of a game. Secondly, you might as well figure out what Farnsworth can do in a big time game in May while you still have a chance to make up for it if he falters.
PinstripePride
05-27-06, 09:49 AM
Mo pitched 1.2 innings v. Boston on the 23rd.
PinstripePride
05-27-06, 09:51 AM
He also threw 1.1 on April 15th, 30th, May 5th, and 2 innings in the 11 inning game vs the Mets.

I'd rather him be used this way. I don't think it's neccessary to have him come in in the 8th every time there's trouble. We have to trust other members of the bullpen.
ManilaYankee
05-27-06, 09:53 AM
Say No to Overuse!!!

That's Torre's Plackard... for Mo only, sadly.
JeterRodriguezSheff
05-27-06, 09:54 AM
I think we should develop a closer who pitches the last 3 innings of every game. That what closers used to do, we should have our best relief prospect start to do that now in the minors.
YankeePride1967
05-27-06, 10:14 AM
In the finale of the last Boston series at Fenway, Ortiz was up with the bases loaded, 2 outs in the 8th. Farnsworth nailed him looking.

In yesterday's game, also 2 outs in the 8th, a 3-run HR was hit, which decided the game. Farnsworth failed this time.

Since it's 4 outs, why wasn't Mo used in both instances? This seems highly questionable to me. Any explanations?

Thanks. :)

Well he did pitch 1 2/3 innings on Tuesday so he was likely only available for 1 inning. I know 3 vs. 4 outs doesn't seem like a lot, but it does mean an extra warm up.
-tz
05-27-06, 10:16 AM
If the Yankees don't have a set up guy who can pitch a scoreless eighth inning against the Kansas City Royals, then they're in deeper trouble than Mo can bail them out of.
Jersey Yankee
05-27-06, 10:23 AM
Well he did pitch 1 2/3 innings on Tuesday so he was likely only available for 1 inning. I know 3 vs. 4 outs doesn't seem like a lot, but it does mean an extra warm up.Thanks to yourself and others for replying.

I can see the extra warmup, but even considering the extra work on Tuesday, we did have a day off on Thursday.

Had he pitched that last out in the 8th, I think we could've won the game, even if 1 run would've scored in that 8th.

I understand the part about testing out Farnsworth, but sometimes I just think it's good to win the game. Still, Farnsworth does have to be tested in what would be save situations if it were the 9th.
JeterRodriguezSheff
05-27-06, 10:29 AM
If the Yankees don't have a set up guy who can pitch a scoreless eighth inning against the Kansas City Royals, then they're in deeper trouble than Mo can bail them out of.

Farnsworth needs to go back to using his fastball, and oly using his slider as a change up basically after a hitter has seen too many fastballs.
Jersey Yankee
05-27-06, 11:06 AM
If the Yankees don't have a set up guy who can pitch a scoreless eighth inning against the Kansas City Royals, then they're in deeper trouble than Mo can bail them out of.Very good point. Now there's the debate between losing that one game or seeing if your closer can be effective in the clutch.

With Ortiz, he won; last night, he lost. Weird.
ManilaYankee
05-27-06, 11:24 AM
Very good point. Now there's the debate between losing that one game or seeing if your closer can be effective in the clutch.

With Ortiz, he won; last night, he lost. Weird.

Ummm... Ortiz on a slump that he just broke out against the rays? :eek:
JeterRodriguezSheff
05-27-06, 11:28 AM
Ummm... Ortiz on a slump that he just broke out against the rays? :eek:

Even if Ortiz wasnt in a slump, he wouldnt have hit the pitch Farnsworth threw to him to strike him out.
parkerstrong
05-27-06, 11:31 AM
It wasnt a save situation last night....it was a tie game. You cant bail on Farnsworth every time he allows a baserunner or two.
yanksphan
05-27-06, 11:53 AM
Even if Ortiz wasnt in a slump, he wouldnt have hit the pitch Farnsworth threw to him to strike him out.

His knees just buckled. It was quite a sight to see.
utopiapkwy
05-27-06, 11:53 AM
Farnsworth needs to go back to using his fastball, and oly using his slider as a change up basically after a hitter has seen too many fastballs.

You got that right. When you have a 100 mph fastball you should throw it. After a few of them throw in a bender to seal it or break the timing.
Rich
05-27-06, 12:27 PM
Unless it's something that Mo wants to do, if it's not a really big game, then I don't want Mo used for four out saves.

I would prefer, however, that he be used in non-save situations rather than save situations if the game is on the line, or the heart of the order is up.
flymick24
05-27-06, 01:25 PM
He also threw 1.1 on April 15th, 30th, May 5th, and 2 innings in the 11 inning game vs the Mets.

I'd rather him be used this way. I don't think it's neccessary to have him come in in the 8th every time there's trouble. We have to trust other members of the bullpen.

is that al leiter in your av?
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