View Full Version : 5/16 - Rangers vs. Yankees - Sea Level looks to stop the 2 game losing tide
The worst of times, the best of times -- all wrapped up in 7-innings.
BroadwayBomber55
05-16-06, 08:41 PM
Alright Scott, stay poised, throw quality strikes, be economical with your pitches.
diehardyankeefan
05-16-06, 08:41 PM
Let's close it out now. Congrats Bernie for the milestones! And Way to Go Yankees!
If Torre wanted to take out Melky right now i would be fine with it. Let him leave the game with a good feeling.
He just struck out?
I assume you're talking about the play at the plate to end the top of the inning.
Don Mattingly
05-16-06, 08:42 PM
That was awesome. I love it when Singleton and Kaat call games without Kay. It has a different feel because they're both ex-players who were very very good. Got to admit...when I got home and it was 9-1 I turned the TV off for a while. But seeing that Bernie hit and then Cairo...man that made my whole day. I really feel like my personal fortunes rise and fall with the yankees sometimes.
CoyoteYankee
05-16-06, 08:42 PM
Not sure...but I think someone needs to buy you a drink....:) :gulp: :gulp:
I'll take those two...thanks!
If we gain anything out of tonight can it please be:
Phillips might actually be able to hit ok when given the chance, while Cairo has done nothing except go 0 for 6 in the last 2 games.
Wake up Joe! Use Cairo as an emergency backup IF and use Phillips at 1B, not as a DH!!!
Let us not judge any of these guys on a few at bats. Cairo could not DH and be available in case Jeter went down during the game. That is why Phillips was the DH.
Great comeback. It could help to maintain some for other games, I believe, if they can hold on now.
What?!?!?!?!?!??!!?
Bubba goes in for Melky and not Bernie?
Darth_Takeo
05-16-06, 08:42 PM
Still not comfortable... but it's been wild so far!
iWant27
05-16-06, 08:42 PM
Tony Pena is funny :D
Proctor in...fine. Did he need to pitch last night down 2?
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 08:42 PM
Please throw strikes..
Gringaloca
05-16-06, 08:42 PM
:clap: Good job boys! The comeback train has now reached its destination.
I won't be satisfied until I'm sure they didn't lose my luggage...:)
BroadwayBomber55
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
Come on Scott, the Rangers will sit on your heater.
Darth_Takeo
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
Proctor looks rough... Not good.
knickfan23
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
Scot Shields...err..Proctor is in the game.
Damn, he's going to be Quantrilled by June.
CoyoteYankee
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
Tony Pena is funny :D
Why? What'd he do?
ryanm1058123
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
proctor has been torre-ized
That's just what we needed from Proctor :mad:
hardrain
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
why not keep Villone in if Scott has a got a tweaked groin?
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
4 pitch walk?? Yikes
BroadwayBomber55
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
Calm down Scott, don't be panicking. Throw quality strikes.
ut oh, Proctor has gone rotten, pull him please
fredgmuggs
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
Alright Scott, stay poised, throw quality strikes, be economical with your pitches.
That sounded just like the Colonel, Jim Turner.
NelsonMuntz
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
Proctor 8 IP in the last 10 days.
Darth_Takeo
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
F*ck.
What a buzzkill.
Don Mattingly
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
Proctor's definitely been overused this year.
ICEBERG18
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
He just struck out?
I assume you're talking about the play at the plate to end the top of the inning.
And his 2-4 night contributing to the big rally we just had.
iWant27
05-16-06, 08:43 PM
Why? What'd he do?
He was going crazy ( happy crazy ) in the dugout ......
jessiedog
05-16-06, 08:44 PM
ouch!!
Jglaubman
05-16-06, 08:44 PM
that was quick
montyque
05-16-06, 08:44 PM
Oh, God. We'll be back (again).
CoyoteYankee
05-16-06, 08:44 PM
I won't be satisfied until I'm sure they didn't lose my luggage...:)
Well you have to get off of the comeback train here and transfer to the Win Express.
Crosby18
05-16-06, 08:44 PM
F*********************CK hes done for the night.
JeffWeaverFan
05-16-06, 08:44 PM
Honestly, I blame Torre for that. You can't use Proctor every game.
Melky out again. Bernie still in there.
Proctor is tired. Villone should have stayed out there.
Proctor is broken
Yankees are down again
Yikes...maybe went to the well too often with Scotty.
CanoForPresident
05-16-06, 08:44 PM
what a dumb ass move by Torre
Panamaniac42
05-16-06, 08:44 PM
This poor guy's arm is gonna fall off before long
yanksphan
05-16-06, 08:44 PM
only a matter of time. typical Proctor.
Gringaloca
05-16-06, 08:44 PM
JFC...whaaaaaa????...Come on Scott...:mad:
mr. coffee
05-16-06, 08:44 PM
Phhhhhhhhhh.... uck...
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 08:44 PM
Off to the Boneheaded decision thread..
ICEBERG18
05-16-06, 08:45 PM
What?!?!?!?!?!??!!?
Bubba goes in for Melky and not Bernie?
I agree with it this time, because if Melky were to make a mistake to lose this kind of game he would get killed.
The boneheaded thread is going to explode if they lose tonight.
It does kill me.....I have no problem with THIS spot, but why oh why does he use the same exact reliever in every conceivable situation. The guy who should be pitching in a tied or one or two run lead should not be throwing the 9th with a 2 run deficit- it has to be a different pitcher for that spot.
Get Him The Hell Out Of There, Joe!!!!!!!
diehardyankeefan
05-16-06, 08:45 PM
This would be horrible if we lost this game.
AMYanks
05-16-06, 08:45 PM
Poor Proctor. Have to feel sorry for him, his manager hasn't a clue how to manage the bullpen.
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 08:45 PM
Only this team would have a comeback like that....and then give up the lead right away.
TalkYank
05-16-06, 08:45 PM
Scott is warming up? OMG
DontHateOnNumber2
05-16-06, 08:45 PM
Man, when the bases aren't loaded Proctor gives up the big hit. We come back to bat. We can win this with the top of the order.
BroadwayBomber55
05-16-06, 08:45 PM
I should've sticked with Ron Villone in there a little longer.
Darth_Takeo
05-16-06, 08:45 PM
How can Torre blatantly kill these guys arms??
Stunning.
JeffWeaverFan
05-16-06, 08:45 PM
That was just inevitable as soon as I saw Proctor in the game.
Panamaniac42
05-16-06, 08:45 PM
Honestly, I blame Torre for that. You can't use Proctor every game.
I would have rather seen Felix Heredia walk in from the pen right there than continue the abuse of S.P.
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 08:45 PM
The boneheaded thread is going to explode if they lose tonight.
It does kill me.....I have no problem with THIS spot, but why oh why does he use the same exact reliever in every conceivable situation. The guy who should be pitching in a tied or one or two run lead should not be throwing the 9th with a 2 run deficit- it has to be a different pitcher for that spot.
This is why we all complained about using Proctor last night
Damn, what a kick in the nuts.
ALL OF THAT, just to give it right back in 10 seconds.
iWant27
05-16-06, 08:46 PM
his arm is tired Torre ...... like Kaat said you cant expect great stuff every night .....
b_joseph
05-16-06, 08:46 PM
only a matter of time. typical Proctor.
he is overworked..not his fault
Waldman says that Proctor tweaked his groin
Torre is plainly a moron for letting him pitch
Get him out of there NOW!!!
Epy7280
05-16-06, 08:46 PM
only a matter of time. typical Proctor.
I can't believe this -_-
It isn't his fault that he been overused. Proctor needs rest.
Jglaubman
05-16-06, 08:46 PM
ughhhh
Yankees8185
05-16-06, 08:46 PM
Thanks Torre for overusing Proctor. He's your new Sturtze/Quantrill.
RIYankee23
05-16-06, 08:46 PM
I don't care how much Proctor has been used, he CAN"T WALK the leadoff hitter, make him hit the damn ball!!!!!!!!!!
Also...anyone who thinks Cabrera is a better defensive OF than Bernie right now isn't watching the games....and that is a problem, since Bernie isn't any good. Cabrera misplays every single ball. Not an exaggeration.
DontHateOnNumber2
05-16-06, 08:46 PM
Why was Villone taken out?
SoCal Pinstriper
05-16-06, 08:46 PM
what a dumb ass move by TorreCommunity Standards.
montyque
05-16-06, 08:46 PM
Proctor has nothing this evening.
Don Mattingly
05-16-06, 08:47 PM
fire torre...can't believe i'm saying it
NelsonMuntz
05-16-06, 08:47 PM
Honestly, I blame Torre for that. You can't use Proctor every game.
8 IP in the last 10 days.
Now. Not only has Proctor been used tonight instead of a day off... he has nothing, and now he needs more time off.
It's a typical use.
AMYanks
05-16-06, 08:47 PM
It's amazing what Torre can do to these guys in the bullpen.
ICEBERG18
05-16-06, 08:47 PM
Geez.
yanksphan
05-16-06, 08:47 PM
he is overworked..not his fault
Walks...Home Runs...this is the Proctor I'm familiar with.
daverave
05-16-06, 08:47 PM
who had 23-19 in the pool ?
He's throwing 92....jeez.
CoyoteYankee
05-16-06, 08:47 PM
Damn, what a kick in the nuts.
ALL OF THAT, just to give it right back in 10 seconds.
I think that's what hurts worst of all. That it happened so damn fast.
I'm not worried though. The Yankees will come back again.
SoCal Pinstriper
05-16-06, 08:48 PM
Torre is plainly a moron for letting him pitch
community standards.
I can't believe Proctor is still in there. Speechless. This is insane.
Darth_Takeo
05-16-06, 08:48 PM
Walks...Home Runs...this is the Proctor I'm familiar with.
Get a clue dude.. The guy is overworked. Still is one of the best relievers in our pen.
I am so livid right now
Joe is ruining this game, it is hard to fathom how one human being can know so little about baseball
Proctor clearly is unwell, DO NOT PUT HIM IN THE GAME
Then do not let him give up the lead and replace him with a scrub like Erickson!!!!!
He has lost a half dozen games this season
WebsterMulligan
05-16-06, 08:48 PM
Too bad the starting pitching sucks ...
Why was Villone taken out?
Yanks took the lead. Ron Villone isn't allowed to pitch with a small lead. In his contract.
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 08:48 PM
Why couldnt have Villone been left in??
iWant27
05-16-06, 08:48 PM
I dont want say something abt Torre here ......but if you listen to Kaat , he is so right ......
I never thought I'd say this, Torre has just demonstrated that he is without questions the least qualified manager in the majors.
He needs to be fired now. How could he do this to Proctor?
AMYanks
05-16-06, 08:48 PM
Walks...Home Runs...this is the Proctor I'm familiar with.
This is definitely not Proctor's fault.
WebsterMulligan
05-16-06, 08:49 PM
It's amazing what Torre can do to these guys in the bullpen.
It's amazing that the starter cannot get through TWO innings.
puckmaster87
05-16-06, 08:49 PM
Torre...LEARN bullpen management please!!!!
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 08:49 PM
I would love to see how the Torre apologists spin this one. Putting in an overworked pitcher who has a groin problem. Just brilliant.
iWant27
05-16-06, 08:49 PM
I never thought I'd say this, Torre has just demonstrated that he is without questions the least qualified manager in the majors.
He needs to be fired now. How could he do this to Proctor?
like Kaat implied , same thing happened to Quantrill .....
AMYanks
05-16-06, 08:49 PM
It's amazing that the starter cannot get through TWO innings.
Using Proctor tonight was a dumb move, regardless of how early the starter left the game.
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 08:50 PM
please throw strikes
yanksphan
05-16-06, 08:50 PM
Get a clue dude.. The guy is overworked. Still is one of the best relievers in our pen.
I understand he's been overworked - but you don't walk the leadoff batter. He threw him 4 straight balls. Make him hit the ball.
Get a clue? - :roflmao:
iWant27
05-16-06, 08:50 PM
I would love to see how the Torre apologists spin this one. Putting in an overworked pitcher who has a groin problem. Just brilliant.
they'll say he has 4 rings ....
how is it that Suzyn Waldman knows not to let Proctor pitch but Torre is so inept that he throws away the lead
BroadwayBomber55
05-16-06, 08:50 PM
Come on Scott, get the Yankees out of jail here. Keep it at a one-run game.
AMYanks
05-16-06, 08:50 PM
I understand he's been overworked - but you don't walk the leadoff batter. He threw him 4 straight balls. Make him hit the ball.
Get a clue? - :roflmao:
No control is the first sign of an overworked arm.
b_joseph
05-16-06, 08:50 PM
Walks...Home Runs...this is the Proctor I'm familiar with.
so the other 17 games didnt count?
Why couldnt have Villone been left in??
Villone should have, without question, been left in the game.
This is no surprise. None.
fredgmuggs
05-16-06, 08:51 PM
Too bad the starting pitching sucks ...
Yeah, that keeps getting overlooked doesn't it? I'm not going to defend Torre, because he doesn't need my help.... but I saw this coming a mile away. The first bad outing Proctor was going to have would automatically be Torre's fault.
Darth_Takeo
05-16-06, 08:51 PM
I understand he's been overworked - but you don't walk the leadoff batter. He threw him 4 straight balls. Make him hit the ball.
Get a clue? - :roflmao:
I agree, your posts are laughable.
:D
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 08:51 PM
Proctor has nothing and he knows it.
When our pitching is rocking and our bats are healthy and productive, they can cover up for Torre's horrendous management
When we need smart decision-making, he is brutally incompetent
yanksphan
05-16-06, 08:52 PM
so the other 17 games didnt count?
Just as much as all the games throughout his career.
Flyball pitcher - he's due.
(Overworked aside)
NelsonMuntz
05-16-06, 08:52 PM
I love how Kaat is trying to diplomatically call Torre a dumbass for bringing Proctor into this game.
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 08:52 PM
Yeah, that keeps getting overlooked doesn't it? I'm not going to defend Torre, because he doesn't need my help.... but I saw this coming a mile away. The first bad outing Proctor was going to have would automatically be Torre's fault.
It his fault when Proctor is overworked, and is hurt.
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 08:52 PM
good play by Bubba
montyque
05-16-06, 08:52 PM
Bubba just scared the crap out of me... all's well that ends well, though...
I defend Torre a lot....but his bullpen management has zoomed past the point of defending his positive attributes. He not only can't manage a pen, but he mismanages it so badly that he hinders the careers of the arms that are there.
Use guys with a lead or in big spots...but don't pitch them in somewhat garbage time when they not only don't need the work, but instead need the rest.
Yeah, that keeps getting overlooked doesn't it? I'm not going to defend Torre, because he doesn't need my help.... but I saw this coming a mile away. The first bad outing Proctor was going to have would automatically be Torre's fault.
A casual fan knows that Proctor needed a day off today... and tomorrow and probably the next day.
I can't believe they came back from 9 down, scored 11 runs, and will lose because of Torre.
I love how Kaat is trying to diplomatically call Torre a dumbass for bringing Proctor into this game.
haha whats he saying?
b_joseph
05-16-06, 08:52 PM
1 more Scotty..1 more
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 08:53 PM
It's almost painful to watch Proctor in this game when we know he can be awsome if used properly.
yanksphan
05-16-06, 08:53 PM
No control is the first sign of an overworked arm.
Not absolute.
I love how Kaat is trying to diplomatically call Torre a dumbass for bringing Proctor into this game.
Exactly.
Social and Lou must be monitoring his every word.
I can't believe they came back from 9 down, scored 11 runs, and will lose because of Torre.
Please. Jeter is up next inning man
b_joseph
05-16-06, 08:53 PM
I can't believe they came back from 9 down, scored 11 runs, and will lose because of Torre.
I didnt know that games ended in the 7th. Must be a new rule
I wouldn't be surprised if Scotty needs to get shut down. Waldman and Sterling are certain that he is not 100% healthy.
I'm surprised Bowa doesn't knock Joe out to save them team.
WebsterMulligan
05-16-06, 08:54 PM
Using Proctor tonight was a dumb move, regardless of how early the starter left the game.
Insffective starting pitching has a direct effect on the bullpen.
Fact is, the Yankee rotation (short of Moose, Wang), is suspect, IMO.
Epy7280
05-16-06, 08:54 PM
I understand he's been overworked - but you don't walk the leadoff batter. He threw him 4 straight balls. Make him hit the ball.
Get a clue? - :roflmao:
um you try throwing the ball when you dont have feeling in your arm
I can't believe they came back from 9 down, scored 11 runs, and will lose because of Torre.
I can't believe it, either...cause it ain't so;)
Using Proctor tonight was a dumb move, regardless of how early the starter left the game.
Using Proctor tonight was the right move....as long as he isn't used LAST night for absolutely no good reason. There are games to pitch your more effective pitchers...and games to allow actual major league relievers to pitch. If you are using a top 3 reliever to pitch the ninth of a game you are losing, there needs to be a good reason (needs the work, day off coming, REAL big game, etc.).
iWant27
05-16-06, 08:54 PM
I love how Kaat is trying to diplomatically call Torre a dumbass for bringing Proctor into this game.
yup ...i agree ...I love Kaat's analysis .....
keithf1
05-16-06, 08:54 PM
Torre for Manager of the Year
Please. Jeter is up next inning man
Can Jeter pitch?
CoyoteYankee
05-16-06, 08:54 PM
I can't believe they came back from 9 down, scored 11 runs, and will lose because of Torre.
The Yankees will not lose this game.
BroadwayBomber55
05-16-06, 08:54 PM
I defend Torre a lot....but his bullpen management has zoomed past the point of defending his positive attributes. He not only can't manage a pen, but he mismanages it so badly that he hinders the careers of the arms that are there.
Use guys with a lead or in big spots...but don't pitch them in somewhat garbage time when they not only don't need the work, but instead need the rest.
Joe Torre went to the well too many times.
I should've let Ron Villone pitched the 7th. He's still fresh.
Insffective starting pitching has a direct effect on the bullpen.
Fact is, the Yankee rotation (short of Moose, Wang), is suspect, IMO.
But Villone had worked 1/3 of an inning to that point. If you need to conserve arms because the SP only went 1 1/3, why the hell do you waste him. He's done for the night now
mr. coffee
05-16-06, 08:54 PM
It's amazing what Torre can do to these guys in the bullpen.
Honestly, I'm as pissed as everyone else here about Proctor's overuse, but it's not all Torre's fault. The starting pitchers tend to lose it after 5 innings or so. What's Joe supposed to do with that? This is a symptom a larger problem: inconsistent starting pitchers--and it's a shame Cashman hasn't dealt with it in the last--what?--three years at least.
GreenGrass
05-16-06, 08:55 PM
Get a clue dude.. The guy is overworked. Still is one of the best relievers in our pen.
He won't be one of the best relievers by year-end if the manager keep pitching him three out of four games.
Torre for Manager of the Year
What year?
CanoForPresident
05-16-06, 08:55 PM
Joe Torre went to the well too many times.
I should've let Ron Villone pitched the 7th. He's still fresh.
of course hes fresh hes pitched the 2 innings all year
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 08:55 PM
Insffective starting pitching has a direct effect on the bullpen.
Fact is, the Yankee rotation (short of Moose, Wang), is suspect, IMO.
It doesnt excuse your manager from overworking a guy to death.
yanksphan
05-16-06, 08:55 PM
um you try throwing the ball when you dont have feeling in your arm
My favorite rebuttal.
Jglaubman
05-16-06, 08:55 PM
Proctor strikes him out
TheBamTino24
05-16-06, 08:55 PM
OK, now give Proctor a rest for 2-3 days.
Can Jeter pitch?
Its Derek Jeter
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 08:55 PM
Scott, please go and hide for three days..
montyque
05-16-06, 08:56 PM
Alright, here comes the top of the order. This is gonna be good.
Proctor should punch Joe in the face.
knickfan23
05-16-06, 08:56 PM
The Proctologist gutted it out tonight despite the HR.
Now, please rest him until Friday before he ends up Sturtzed.
AMYanks
05-16-06, 08:56 PM
Insffective starting pitching has a direct effect on the bullpen.
Fact is, the Yankee rotation (short of Moose, Wang), is suspect, IMO.
Of course it does, but it doesn't mean you continuously pitch the same guy nearly every day. Villone should have stayed in the game, the fact that most people on this forum realized that and not Torre is frightening.
Poor Ron Villone... threw 1 single pitch
NelsonMuntz
05-16-06, 08:56 PM
haha whats he saying?
As soon as he came into the game Kaat was like "wow, the Yankees are really asking a lot of Scott Proctor. He's pitched 8 innings in the last 10 days". Then after the homerun and the walk he was like "hmm, I guess Erickson must not be ready hot there". And then he was going on about how sometimes with a sinkerball pitcher a lot of work can be good but with a guy like proctor who relies on high fastballs he needs a day off every now and then.
The Grounds crew hustles out, pick up Proctor's arm, dusts it off and brings it to the dugout.
Cue dusty ole Kate Smith
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 08:56 PM
Watch Proctor go on the DL soon....book it
Honestly, I'm as pissed as everyone else here about Proctor's overuse, but it's not all Torre's fault. The starting pitchers tend to lose it after 5 innings or so. What's Joe supposed to do with that? This is a symptom a larger problem: inconsistent starting pitchers--and it's a shame Cashman hasn't dealt with it in the last--what?--three years at least.
Villone only pitched ONE pitch in this game and he was taken out. I can't blame the starter because of this.
keithf1
05-16-06, 08:56 PM
Watch Proctor come out for the 8th.
English Yankee
05-16-06, 08:56 PM
Great job Proctor. Can't blame Joe for using him again. Who else have we got?
montrealer
05-16-06, 08:57 PM
Yeah, that keeps getting overlooked doesn't it? I'm not going to defend Torre, because he doesn't need my help.... but I saw this coming a mile away. The first bad outing Proctor was going to have would automatically be Torre's fault.
It`s also Torre`s fault that are starting pitchers only throw 2 innings ;) .
iWant27
05-16-06, 08:57 PM
man proctor is so good .....even with that tired arm , he fans him out ......
you Torre , please , please ...let his arm rest ......
OK, now give Proctor a rest for 2-3 days.
He will pitch in every close game over the next week. Caveman Joe feels compelled to ruin every good arm he can.
As soon as he came into the game Kaat was like "wow, the Yankees are really asking a lot of Scott Proctor. He's pitched 8 innings in the last 10 days". Then after the homerun and the walk he was like "hmm, I guess Erickson must not be ready hot there". And then he was going on about how sometimes with a sinkerball pitcher a lot of work can be good but with a guy like proctor who relies on high fastballs he needs a day off every now and then.
WOW thats huge. Kaat normally spends all of his time railing that pitchers don't throw enough anymore
WebsterMulligan
05-16-06, 08:57 PM
What year?
1996 AL Manager of the Year
1998 AL Manager of the Year
:P ;)
BroadwayBomber55
05-16-06, 08:57 PM
The Proctologist gutted it out tonight despite the HR.
Now, please rest him until Friday before he ends up Sturtzed.
Agreed.
4bronxbombers
05-16-06, 08:57 PM
Honestly, I'm as pissed as everyone else here about Proctor's overuse, but it's not all Torre's fault. The starting pitchers tend to lose it after 5 innings or so. What's Joe supposed to do with that? This is a symptom a larger problem: inconsistent starting pitchers--and it's a shame Cashman hasn't dealt with it in the last--what?--three years at least.
So true. That's bothered me the most this season. We didn't do much for starting pitching from last year.
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 08:58 PM
Torre apologists---please explain why Villone was pulled after throwing ONE pitch??
He is fresh and hasnt pitched much. He was pulled in favor of a pitcher who is overworked, and apparently injured.
iWant27
05-16-06, 08:58 PM
Watch Proctor come out for the 8th.
that wont be good ....did you see how he was hanging his arm when coming off the mound .....
Great job Proctor. Can't blame Joe for using him again. Who else have we got?
VILLONE
Villone should have stayed in the game, the fact that most people on this forum realized that and not Torre is frightening.
Well... that depends on what you think of the opinions of most people on this forum. :P
Torre apologists---please explain why Villone was pulled after throwing ONE pitch??
He is fresh and hasnt pitched much. He was pulled in favor of a pitcher who is overworked, and apparently injured.
I refuse to believe that any intelligent baseball fan can excuse his blatant attempts to wreck the season.
1996 AL Manager of the Year
1998 AL Manager of the Year
:P ;)
1998 was 8 years ago.
Torre apologists---please explain why Villone was pulled after throwing ONE pitch??
He is fresh and hasnt pitched much. He was pulled in favor of a pitcher who is overworked, and apparently injured.
He gave up a HR to Howard in spring training that's still going. He lost trust in February....and he hasn't regained it. C'mon........that was easy ;)
1998 was 8 years ago.
When you're starters go 6/7 and you have Stanton/Nelson/Rivera, with guys like Mendoza behind? Perfect staff for Torre and his strengths.
When he needs to massage innings? Doesn't work.
Donnybaseball72
05-16-06, 09:00 PM
Watch Torre bring Proctor out next inning.
Damon, Jeter and A-Rod have to scratch together a run, they don't deserve to have this game ruined by their manager.
English Yankee
05-16-06, 09:00 PM
VILLONE
He obviously came out for a reason. They're not going to pull him after one batter otherwise.
mr. coffee
05-16-06, 09:00 PM
Another thought/question for the Torre-haters:
Maybe someone who knows something about pitching can answer this one. An honest question: I'm skeptical of all this burnout talk. Are we really to believe that a pitcher as young as Proctor is incapable of going out there and throwing 20 to 30 accurate pitches three or four times a week?
ICEBERG18
05-16-06, 09:00 PM
Put on the hit and run.
Damon with the infield hit.
Tex now has a Yankee Stadium jinx. He will never do well here again.
b_joseph
05-16-06, 09:00 PM
here we come!!!
CoyoteYankee
05-16-06, 09:01 PM
An error! I'll take it!! Keep the line moving boys!
Darth_Takeo
05-16-06, 09:01 PM
Jetes is in-freakin-credible.
ICEBERG18
05-16-06, 09:01 PM
here we go again.
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 09:01 PM
In-freaking-credible..
TalkYank
05-16-06, 09:01 PM
1st and 3rd with no outs. Jeter lays don't a beautiful bunt..
He obviously came out for a reason. They're not going to pull him after one batter otherwise.
You do know who the Yankee Manager is, right?
See I like it when he does it with the element of surprise
montyque
05-16-06, 09:01 PM
Oh my God! What a bunt. Incredible! (granted, if it was a routine sac, I'd be pissed)
Fabien Brandy
05-16-06, 09:01 PM
I predict 24 runs against Bauer.
English Yankee
05-16-06, 09:01 PM
Derek Jeter. Wow.
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 09:02 PM
Another thought/question for the Torre-haters:
Maybe someone who knows something about pitching can answer this one. An honest question: I'm skeptical of all this burnout talk. Are we really to believe that a pitcher as young as Proctor is incapable of going out there and throwing 20 to 30 accurate pitches three or four times a week?
You cant pitch the guy everyday. Just look at what happened to Quantrill and Sturtze the past 2 years. They were great, until Torre used them too much and burned them out. Later in the season....they were useless.
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 09:02 PM
Jetes is in-freakin-credible.
You read my mind
Why bunt there? Like the result (and it's the first time the Yanks got the break of a non-call)....but why bunt? With the big guys out, you let your hottest guy swing. Now get Proctor the vulture W
yanksphan
05-16-06, 09:02 PM
Another thought/question for the Torre-haters:
Maybe someone who knows something about pitching can answer this one. An honest question: I'm skeptical of all this burnout talk. Are we really to believe that a pitcher as young as Proctor is incapable of going out there and throwing 20 to 30 accurate pitches three or four times a week?
I'm no expert - but Jim Kaat seems to think so. I'll go with that.
Darth_Takeo
05-16-06, 09:02 PM
Jetes is in-freakin-credible.
In-freaking-credible..
:eek:
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 09:02 PM
Lets go Alex....be clutch
Next inning they should use Villone. Tex not as good a righty, and then Blalock....
Oh...wait...
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 09:02 PM
Please be patient here
Alex can redeem himself for his shortcomings last week with a hit here.
Shefnation
05-16-06, 09:02 PM
Can someone explain to me why Melky was pulled? I haven't watched any of the game tonight, so I don't really know what's going on, but I just looked at the box and he's 2 for 4 at the plate and has 2(?) OF assists!! So was he pulled for offensive or defensive reasons? I'm guessing defensive, but why is Bernie still in there? Is his bat that important? I pose that last rhetorical question with the utmost sarcasm...
CoyoteYankee
05-16-06, 09:03 PM
What happened? A bunt single? And Johnny to 3rd?
no pop up or K
that would be POISON
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 09:04 PM
at least the runner advanced
Darth_Takeo
05-16-06, 09:04 PM
Gag...
NelsonMuntz
05-16-06, 09:04 PM
Watch Torre bring Proctor out next inning.
My guess is he's trying to figure out how to get Tanyon Sturtze into the game.
yanksphan
05-16-06, 09:04 PM
Alex can redeem himself for his shortcomings last week with a hit here.
Didn't he have 2 GWHR last week?
Wow...terrible, terrible ab. Swung at a horrible pitch ahead in the count.
See.....that should NEVER happen with his talent. Never, ever.
TalkYank
05-16-06, 09:04 PM
yes, johnny to 3rd because there was a throwing error to first on the bunt...
What happened? A bunt single? And Johnny to 3rd?
ARod loses patience.
Sorta bunts (check swing). One out, Jete moves to 2nd
Epy7280
05-16-06, 09:04 PM
>_> mr. clutch - rod
not what I wanted Alex
this week needs to be his
fredgmuggs
05-16-06, 09:04 PM
Another thought/question for the Torre-haters:
Maybe someone who knows something about pitching can answer this one. An honest question: I'm skeptical of all this burnout talk. Are we really to believe that a pitcher as young as Proctor is incapable of going out there and throwing 20 to 30 accurate pitches three or four times a week?
Here's a thought, and I'm not specifically pointing out your post, but lets stop all this Torre-basher/haters, Torre-apologists/excusers, animosity. I hate labels.
mr. coffee
05-16-06, 09:04 PM
Thanks, Mr. Clutch.
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 09:05 PM
You gotta be kidding me Alex....a 2-0 pitch and you do that????
CoyoteYankee
05-16-06, 09:05 PM
yes, johnny to 3rd because there was a throwing error to first on the bunt...
Okay thanks.
Another thought/question for the Torre-haters:
Maybe someone who knows something about pitching can answer this one. An honest question: I'm skeptical of all this burnout talk. Are we really to believe that a pitcher as young as Proctor is incapable of going out there and throwing 20 to 30 accurate pitches three or four times a week?
At the major league level... it's not impossible. It might not be IDEAL... but certainly not impossible to expect that.
Really, though, it depends on the pitcher. When I used to pitch, I could throw almost every day with no soreness or dropoff in velocity. Some pitchers need more time off than others. (It should be noted that I only threw in the mid-80's though... throwing mid-90's is a slightly different story.... although most of the velocity is generated from the legs and abdominal muscles.)
If Proctor's velocity is really around 92 MPH though... he's probably got a tired arm (and/or tired legs, more likely). Is it permanent damage? Doubtful.
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 09:05 PM
time to make them pay JoPo
WebsterMulligan
05-16-06, 09:05 PM
When you're starters go 6/7 and you have Stanton/Nelson/Rivera, with guys like Mendoza behind? Perfect staff for Torre and his strengths.
When he needs to massage innings? Doesn't work.
Would that apply to ANY manager?
I wonder how John McGraw or Connie Mack, would deal with a bullpen, where the starters get KO'd early, on a regular basis?
We should do that squeeze play they did at the end of Major League
montrealer
05-16-06, 09:05 PM
Another thought/question for the Torre-haters:
Maybe someone who knows something about pitching can answer this one. An honest question: I'm skeptical of all this burnout talk. Are we really to believe that a pitcher as young as Proctor is incapable of going out there and throwing 20 to 30 accurate pitches three or four times a week?
SHHH!!!!Overusing Proctor is the Bashers Amo.In fact overusing anybody is their amo.God Forbid these millionaires have to put in a hard days work like us shmucks whom pay their salaries.
English Yankee
05-16-06, 09:05 PM
You do know who the Yankee Manager is, right?
The next Yankee manager won't have as much credibility on in-game managing on this forum as Joe does now after one month on the job. And the next, until one of them wins a bunch of World Series. Torre's forgotten more than any fan knows about baseball, I'm sure he's well aware Villone only pitched to one guy. But for some reason we don't know, he had to put Proctor in.
ICEBERG18
05-16-06, 09:06 PM
A-rod=over anxious
Panamaniac42
05-16-06, 09:06 PM
ARod didn't need to be booed for that...
Then again Chacon was getting ripped for every walk and hit. Let's just boo every ball at the stadium.
It's getting old...
I wonder how John McGraw or Connie Mack, would deal with a bullpen, where the starters get KO'd early, on a regular basis?
Thats like asking if George Washington would drive a motorcycle better than Gary Busey. There is no basis for any comparison
The next Yankee manager won't have as much credibility on in-game managing on this forum as Joe does now after one month on the job. And the next, until one of them wins a bunch of World Series. Torre's forgotten more than any fan knows about baseball, I'm sure he's well aware Villone only pitched to one guy. But for some reason we don't know, he had to put Proctor in.
Oh, we know.
EdRuane
05-16-06, 09:06 PM
What the hell happened here? I turned the game on the radio before I went in to dinner and it was 10-3 Texas! I wasn't even going to bother with this game.
Go Yanks!
SHHH!!!!Overusing Proctor is the Bashers Amo.In fact overusing anybody is their amo.God Forbid these millionaires have to put in a hard days work like us shmucks whom pay their salaries.
Waldman said she heard someone mention Proctor tweaking his groin
maybe that had something to do with his horrible control early in the inning
Torre should be aware of this
cupcollector99
05-16-06, 09:07 PM
This bauer kid needs a haircut..
I just wonder if any of the folks posting here have any basis for concluding that pitchers are not as effective when they work as much as Proctor has worked. I know that everyone agrees with everyone else and does not agree with Gator and Torre on this decision. I know that you all think that you know more than these guys do about baseball, but I just wonder where you get your knowledge.
I do not have the knowledge myself. All I know is that the world, and that includes the working of the human body, is very complicated and that one cannot assume without some kind of evidence.
The evidence cannot be that Proctor was not sharp tonight, as pitchers go through streaks and have good games and bad games.
By the way, we will never know how many runs they would have scored off Villone, will we? He did not look too sharp himself.
ICEBERG18
05-16-06, 09:07 PM
Good Job.
Darth_Takeo
05-16-06, 09:07 PM
got the tie...
CoyoteYankee
05-16-06, 09:07 PM
ARod didn't need to be booed for that...
Then again Chacon was getting ripped for every walk and hit. Let's just boo every ball at the stadium.
It's getting old...
Agreed. How soon every one forgets his GW HR's not so long ago.
JoPo ties it up with a SacFly
Yankees8185
05-16-06, 09:08 PM
12-12!
WebsterMulligan
05-16-06, 09:08 PM
WTG, JoPo! :gulp:
montyque
05-16-06, 09:08 PM
Thats like asking if George Washington would drive a motorcycle better than Gary Busey. There is no basis for any comparison
Washington would have driven a BMW 7 series. It's indisputable fact.
TheBamTino24
05-16-06, 09:08 PM
Hip, Hip, Jorge!
Got it done. Good job.
The thing with A-rod....he's been perfectly fine in normal situations this year- "clutch or not clutch" spots. But he's always struggled in those situational spots, where he simply needs to get a fly ball.
dabomb2045
05-16-06, 09:08 PM
Ok, its tied. Unfortunately, Torre still has 2 more innings to try to blow the game for his team.
NelsonMuntz
05-16-06, 09:08 PM
Nice job Po.
fredgmuggs
05-16-06, 09:08 PM
After all that, the game is all even. It isn't going to be a case of winning this game, but surviving it.
GreenGrass
05-16-06, 09:08 PM
Thank you, Jorge.
DandyAndy46
05-16-06, 09:08 PM
Good Job George
CoyoteYankee
05-16-06, 09:09 PM
Nice job Po! Tie game. A little blooper and the Yankees are right back in front.
knickfan23
05-16-06, 09:09 PM
A-rod=over anxious
We've been saying that for almost 3 years now.
TheBamTino24
05-16-06, 09:09 PM
Yankee fans are spoiled. End of story.
Who the hell pitches next inning?
JoPo ties it up with a SacFly
as a very wise man said early on--we win this:)
iWant27
05-16-06, 09:09 PM
Alright its Tied ......
ok Torre ,,,,,how abt Kyle and Mo here ,,,,,,,
CoyoteYankee
05-16-06, 09:09 PM
After all that, the game is all even. It isn't going to be a case of winning this game, but surviving it.
If only we were allowed to start voting people off the baseball field.
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