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keithf1
04-05-06, 02:52 PM
Why did I see Barry Bonds crying on ESPN today? Anyone know what this is all about?
NYYBombshell
04-05-06, 02:55 PM
Why did I see Barry Bonds crying on ESPN today? Anyone know what this is all about?
*ahem*
"Are you crying? Are you crying? There's no crying.......there's no crying in baseball!"
ryanm1058123
04-05-06, 03:01 PM
Basically his treatment by fans.
NYYBombshell
04-05-06, 03:02 PM
Basically his treatment by fans.
Aww, poor wittle Barry. If he doesn't like how he's being treated, he should do something about it. Retire.
ryanm1058123
04-05-06, 03:04 PM
I'm one of the rare people that somewhat likes Barry Bonds. I think what he's done, with steroids or without steroids, is absolutely amazing. a 1400 OPS? That is insane.
He's gotta have some supporters, I am one of them.
jonnyc39
04-05-06, 03:07 PM
I'm one of the rare people that somewhat likes Barry Bonds. I think what he's done, with steroids or without steroids, is absolutely amazing. a 1400 OPS? That is insane.
He's gotta have some supporters, I am one of them.I wouldn't say I'm a supporter, and I'm definitely not a Bonds apologist, but I love watching the guy play.
Annie418
04-05-06, 03:08 PM
You get what you give in this world. Bonds had such a reputation of being a nasty man it stands to reason that the fans would treat him likewise. I'm not saying it's right, but he had to see this coming.
ryanm1058123
04-05-06, 03:10 PM
I know he's mean spirited.. but in all honesty.. has he ever done anything worth being killed for? Because during the show he was saying "Imagine if murder was legal. I would be the first person they would kill".. he's the poster boy for steroids and everybody is taking out there steroid anger when it should be spread around... even to some Yankees.
RhodyYanksFan
04-05-06, 03:17 PM
I know he's mean spirited.. but in all honesty.. has he ever done anything worth being killed for? Because during the show he was saying "Imagine if murder was legal. I would be the first person they would kill".. he's the poster boy for steroids and everybody is taking out there steroid anger when it should be spread around... even to some Yankees.
I agree. This whole sham investigation is being tabbed as the Case Against Bonds, but he's not the only one. I think there should be penalties and justice served for all the guys they find out did steroids and it should be a uniform penalty. The reason Bonds is the focus so much is because A) he's about to break the biggest record in sports and B) he's always been an asshole to everyone, even before anyone mentioned the word juice around him.
Nobody cares if Sheffield got to 400 HR because he shot steroids, but everyone should care if Bonds gets to 756 because of them.
Annie418
04-05-06, 03:17 PM
I know he's mean spirited.. but in all honesty.. has he ever done anything worth being killed for? Because during the show he was saying "Imagine if murder was legal. I would be the first person they would kill".. he's the poster boy for steroids and everybody is taking out there steroid anger when it should be spread around... even to some Yankees.
Heckling is fine, fans have done that to other players suspected, including Yankees, but the syringe thing and possible threats is way over the top. Again, I think that the public reaction to Bonds is so much stronger because of his attitude and abilities.
DaPip1998
04-05-06, 03:18 PM
I know he's mean spirited.. but in all honesty.. has he ever done anything worth being killed for? Because during the show he was saying "Imagine if murder was legal. I would be the first person they would kill".. he's the poster boy for steroids and everybody is taking out there steroid anger when it should be spread around... even to some Yankees.
I kind of agree-I know he has a detestable personality, and that adds fuel to the fans' fire, but the only reason fans (and the holier-than-thou media) are making a stink about steroids now is because of 755.
ryanm1058123
04-05-06, 03:21 PM
I agree. This whole sham investigation is being tabbed as the Case Against Bonds, but he's not the only one. I think there should be penalties and justice served for all the guys they find out did steroids and it should be a uniform penalty. The reason Bonds is the focus so much is because A) he's about to break the biggest record in sports and B) he's always been an asshole to everyone, even before anyone mentioned the word juice around him.
Nobody cares if Sheffield got to 400 HR because he shot steroids, but everyone should care if Bonds gets to 756 because of them.
Yeah. he's the perfect target and it's an absolute sham Bud is taking it out on Barry. especially in the year that he might pass Hank Aaron. Grow some balls and go after some other people. Like Sheffield, Giambi, even. As a Yankees fan, it would pain me if they were indicted but to make Barry's life a living hell like this is ridiculous.
ryanm1058123
04-05-06, 03:22 PM
I kind of agree-I know he has a detestable personality, and that adds fuel to the fans' fire, but the only reason fans (and the holier-than-thou media) are making a stink about steroids now is because of 755.
i'm sure most average fans don't even care about his personality.. they just want somebody to take their anger out on and it's Barry because of 755.
JeffWeaverFan
04-05-06, 03:24 PM
I believe nothing that he says or does.
Dog Named Fred
04-05-06, 03:24 PM
Yeah. he's the perfect target and it's an absolute sham Bud is taking it out on Barry. especially in the year that he might pass Hank Aaron. Grow some balls and go after some other people. Like Sheffield, Giambi, even. As a Yankees fan, it would pain me if they were indicted but to make Barry's life a living hell like this is ridiculous.
this investigation is a bigger sham than just taking it out on barry. selig chose a baseball insider - george mitchell is a director of the red sox and sits on the board of espn-owner disney. no way mitchell turns around and focuses the investigation where it should be - on what the commissioner's office knew or should have known and why no action was taken.
NYYBombshell
04-05-06, 03:25 PM
i'm sure most average fans don't even care about his personality.. they just want somebody to take their anger out on and it's Barry because of 755.
If Giambi or Sheffield were in pursuit of the HR record, then you can bet your sweet bippy that people would be all over them and then some for it.
Even though Jason admitted to a grand jury that he did steroids and it was leaked......he still said he did it, he apologized and he's moved on. I've yet to see Barry Bonds show one ounce of contrition for what he's done. That my main beef. Everyone and their dead dog knows Barry Bonds juiced/juices. Why he can't grow some stones and admit that......is beyond me. Be a man Barry, admit you f*cked up.
jonnyc39
04-05-06, 03:32 PM
Even though Jason admitted to a grand jury that he did steroids and it was leaked......he still said he did it, he apologized and he's moved on. I've yet to see Barry Bonds show one ounce of contrition for what he's done. That my main beef. Everyone and their dead dog knows Barry Bonds juiced/juices. Why he can't grow some stones and admit that......is beyond me. Be a man Barry, admit you f*cked up.Then why not have the same amount of venom towards Sheffield? If it's simply because he's on your team, fine, I can accept that. But Sheffield is a pretty malcontent character, not unlike Bonds, and I don't see the hatred spewed at him.
ryanm1058123
04-05-06, 03:33 PM
If Giambi or Sheffield were in pursuit of the HR record, then you can bet your sweet bippy that people would be all over them and then some for it.
Even though Jason admitted to a grand jury that he did steroids and it was leaked......he still said he did it, he apologized and he's moved on. I've yet to see Barry Bonds show one ounce of contrition for what he's done. That my main beef. Everyone and their dead dog knows Barry Bonds juiced/juices. Why he can't grow some stones and admit that......is beyond me. Be a man Barry, admit you f*cked up.
Thats my point. Sheff isn't the greatest guy but he isn't going after 755. The only reason they are going after him is because of 755, which is wrong.
Then why not have the same amount of venom towards Sheffield? If it's simply because he's on your team, fine, I can accept that. But Sheffield is a pretty malcontent character, not unlike Bonds, and I don't see the hatred spewed at him.
Thats pretty much true. Sheffield seems more honest and up front than Bonds ever was, but he still is pretty damned abrasive, and there is as much reason to believe he took steroids as there is for Bonds. If he had 700 HR he'd be in the same place.
Mattpat11
04-05-06, 03:42 PM
Then why not have the same amount of venom towards Sheffield? If it's simply because he's on your team, fine, I can accept that. But Sheffield is a pretty malcontent character, not unlike Bonds, and I don't see the hatred spewed at him.Sheffield is ornery. Bonds is a racist, a cheat, a tax cheat, an adulterer, and he threatened to kill a woman. He's on a whole different plane.
He deserves everything he gets.
JfromJersey
04-05-06, 04:29 PM
He's crying all the way to the bank.
I feel a lot more sorry for his family, than I do for Bonds.
keithf1
04-05-06, 04:29 PM
I believe nothing that he says or does.
Hey, that's the same way I approach my ex-girlfriend. :D
AnibalTheCannibal
04-05-06, 04:34 PM
Even though Jason admitted to a grand jury that he did steroids and it was leaked......he still said he did it, he apologized and he's moved on. I've yet to see Barry Bonds show one ounce of contrition for what he's done. That my main beef. Everyone and their dead dog knows Barry Bonds juiced/juices. Why he can't grow some stones and admit that......is beyond me. Be a man Barry, admit you f*cked up.
Tell me, what was Giambi apologizing for again? Oh that's right, he's sorry, but he can't tell us what for. Don't kid yourself. Giambi isn't sorry for anything other than the fact that he got caught. There never would have been a press conference to apologize for stuff we can't talk about but are real sorry for, if his testimony never leaked. How he gets a pass is beyond me. Giambi's only regret is admitting to the grand jury that he cheated, then having it get leaked.
Thats pretty much true. Sheffield seems more honest and up front than Bonds ever was, but he still is pretty damned abrasive, and there is as much reason to believe he took steroids as there is for Bonds. If he had 700 HR he'd be in the same place.
More honest and up front? He says Bonds set him up, and he never knew he was using steroids. That's the same defense Bonds made, only he didn't try to use another man as a scapegoat like Sheffield did.
Sheffield is ornery. Bonds is a racist, a cheat, a tax cheat, an adulterer, and he threatened to kill a woman. He's on a whole different plane.
He deserves everything he gets.
And Bonds being a "racist, a tax cheat, an adulter, and threatening to kill a woman" had what to do with Barry Bonds the baseball player who is accused of using steroids? Unless you know his wife, his mistress, or work for the IRS, none of this concerns you. What he does outside of baseball is not your concern, or even your business. Hate him as a player, but save those other judgements for a higher power. Unless of course you live your life perfectly, have never done any wrong by anyone, and never made mistakes. Then by all means, feel free.
5OClockLighting
04-05-06, 04:36 PM
So why was he crying?
He was upset about the hate mail, he gets. Some of it was pretty bad like, you are cheating no good n*****.
DontHateOnNumber2
04-05-06, 04:51 PM
He was upset about the hate mail, he gets. Some of it was pretty bad like, you are cheating no good n*****.
Yeah, and on "Bonds on Bonds" he said he receives plenty of hate mail every day, much of it containing racist slurs. I think this show may humanize him more than any interview he could possibly do or at least have people think twice before judging him.
More honest and up front? He says Bonds set him up, and he never knew he was using steroids. That's the same defense Bonds made, only he didn't try to use another man as a scapegoat like Sheffield did.
Way to fail to understand both the gist of my post and that sentence. I was admitting Sheffield is not so different from Bonds overall, and in that phrase I was saying Sheffield doesn't seem to have as much of a fraudulent character as Bonds from the things I have heard they have done (they have both lied about steroids I am sure, I am speaking of everything else). I may not know their life stories, but I dont think that is insanely inaccurate.
In any case, thanks for the rebuttal. I am suitably chastised.
noneckwilliams
04-05-06, 05:12 PM
I'm one of the rare people that somewhat likes Barry Bonds. I think what he's done, with steroids or without steroids, is absolutely amazing. a 1400 OPS? That is insane.
He's gotta have some supporters, I am one of them.
Put me in the same camp. The venom thrown at him is way over the top. Get a grip people.
noneckwilliams
04-05-06, 05:14 PM
Then why not have the same amount of venom towards Sheffield? If it's simply because he's on your team, fine, I can accept that. But Sheffield is a pretty malcontent character, not unlike Bonds, and I don't see the hatred spewed at him.
Just can't help yourself can ya?
brosiusbuddy
04-05-06, 05:35 PM
We read about horrible people in the news everday. People who rape children, assault homeless people for fun, shoot up courthouses, drive drunk and kill innocent bystanders, etc... we read about them and dismiss them from memory without a care.
But Barry Bonds threatens a HR record becuase he used steroids and all of a sudden some of us on this site feel as though he should be erased from the earth? His off the field allegations of adultery and tax fraud are just that... allegations which we have no facts about and we hate the guy. Meanwhile we pay no mind to the scum of the eart aside from their 5 minutes on the evening news. Thats disgraceful.
flymick24
04-05-06, 05:45 PM
imo, he deserves every piece of hate mail he gets, although i don't condone the racist remarks at all.
as for his crying, well that's probably fake too, much like his career.
BillBuckner
04-05-06, 06:02 PM
:nopity:
So why was he crying?
He heard Eminem was getting divorced.
noneckwilliams
04-05-06, 06:23 PM
We read about horrible people in the news everday. People who rape children, assault homeless people for fun, shoot up courthouses, drive drunk and kill innocent bystanders, etc... we read about them and dismiss them from memory without a care.
But Barry Bonds threatens a HR record becuase he used steroids and all of a sudden some of us on this site feel as though he should be erased from the earth? His off the field allegations of adultery and tax fraud are just that... allegations which we have no facts about and we hate the guy. Meanwhile we pay no mind to the scum of the eart aside from their 5 minutes on the evening news. Thats disgraceful.
I know - it's fricking crazy.
Bonds used steriods. He's not a particularly likeable man. What do people want to do with him? Imprison him for life? Tar and feather him in Times Square? Kill him? When did this guy become Osama bin Laden?
I don't particularly like the guy but I find the so called "journalists" who go on national TV and proclaim how much they hate Bonds to be even more dispicable than he is. Remember, many of these self-imporant media dbags are the same folks who will dog ARod (in many ways the anti-Bonds) for being a phony or a goody goody. What's ARod's sin? You can't win with these a-holes.
As far as the ruination of the "precious records" and the whole "what will I tell my children" BS - get a life people.
Griffey just passed Mantle's HR mark - does that diminish the memories of those who saw The Mick play ball? I think not.
Mattpat11
04-05-06, 06:31 PM
But Barry Bonds threatens a HR record becuase he used steroids and all of a sudden some of us on this site feel as though he should be erased from the earth? His off the field allegations of adultery and tax fraud are just that... allegations which we have no facts about and we hate the guy. .Read Game of Shadows. There are facts.
Meanwhile we pay no mind to the scum of the eart aside from their 5 minutes on the evening news. Thats disgraceful. I don't see how Bonds is any better than the scum on the evening news.
NYYBombshell
04-05-06, 06:36 PM
We read about horrible people in the news everday. People who rape children, assault homeless people for fun, shoot up courthouses, drive drunk and kill innocent bystanders, etc... we read about them and dismiss them from memory without a care.
But Barry Bonds threatens a HR record becuase he used steroids and all of a sudden some of us on this site feel as though he should be erased from the earth? His off the field allegations of adultery and tax fraud are just that... allegations which we have no facts about and we hate the guy. Meanwhile we pay no mind to the scum of the eart aside from their 5 minutes on the evening news. Thats disgraceful.
Who said he should be erased from the earth? Find one post here where anyone wishes him dead, and I'll eat my hat. I want him erased from baseball. I want Pud Lite over there to grow a pair, exercise the "best interests of baseball" clause in that toilet paper of a contract of his and throw him out. If he doesn't, put an asterisk the size of my ass next to that record so that everyone who sees it will know it was attained by a FRAUD.
If you don't like us bitching about Barry Bonds, that's fine. However, if you don't see why people don't like him, you're not looking hard enough.
yankees27
04-05-06, 06:40 PM
Read Game of Shadows. There are facts.
I don't see how Bonds is any better than the scum on the evening news.[/font]
You find Bonds on the same level as child molestors? He's not my favorite guy, but come on.
yankeebot
04-05-06, 06:42 PM
Who said he should be erased from the earth? Find one post here where anyone wishes him dead, and I'll eat my hat. I want him erased from baseball. I want Pud Lite over there to grow a pair, exercise the "best interests of baseball" clause in that toilet paper of a contract of his and throw him out. If he doesn't, put an asterisk the size of my ass next to that record so that everyone who sees it will know it was attained by a FRAUD.
If you don't like us bitching about Barry Bonds, that's fine. However, if you don't see why people don't like him, you're not looking hard enough.
:clap: Great post, Liz.
Kangamangus
04-05-06, 06:46 PM
Who said he should be erased from the earth? Find one post here where anyone wishes him dead, and I'll eat my hat. I want him erased from baseball. I want Pud Lite over there to grow a pair, exercise the "best interests of baseball" clause in that toilet paper of a contract of his and throw him out. If he doesn't, put an asterisk the size of my ass next to that record so that everyone who sees it will know it was attained by a FRAUD.
If you don't like us bitching about Barry Bonds, that's fine. However, if you don't see why people don't like him, you're not looking hard enough.
:clap:
AnibalTheCannibal
04-05-06, 07:12 PM
Yeah, and on "Bonds on Bonds" he said he receives plenty of hate mail every day, much of it containing racist slurs. I think this show may humanize him more than any interview he could possibly do or at least have people think twice before judging him.
It was definitely done for that purpose. However, seeing the mail he gets, some people are absolutely disgusting human beings. It actually did make me sympathize with him for a moment, because no matter what he has done, no one deserves that type of treatment. Least of all some athlete who plays a game.
Way to fail to understand both the gist of my post and that sentence. I was admitting Sheffield is not so different from Bonds overall, and in that phrase I was saying Sheffield doesn't seem to have as much of a fraudulent character as Bonds from the things I have heard they have done (they have both lied about steroids I am sure, I am speaking of everything else). I may not know their life stories, but I dont think that is insanely inaccurate.
In any case, thanks for the rebuttal. I am suitably chastised.
No one was chastising you, it's not that serious. I can't stand Bonds, but I don't like that people (not saying you) try to justify hating him by saying he's worse than so and so, or he is a "tax cheat" and what not. It has nothing to do with anything. Sheff is definitely not as fraudulent. When he has something on his mind he lets everyone know it. I don't know if that's so much better than Bonds' (seemingly) arrogant attitude though.
We read about horrible people in the news everday. People who rape children, assault homeless people for fun, shoot up courthouses, drive drunk and kill innocent bystanders, etc... we read about them and dismiss them from memory without a care.
But Barry Bonds threatens a HR record becuase he used steroids and all of a sudden some of us on this site feel as though he should be erased from the earth? His off the field allegations of adultery and tax fraud are just that... allegations which we have no facts about and we hate the guy. Meanwhile we pay no mind to the scum of the eart aside from their 5 minutes on the evening news. Thats disgraceful.
Exactly.
I don't see how Bonds is any better than the scum on the evening news.[/font]
Bonds is no better than murderers and rapists (which was Brosius' point...) Wow. That's incredible. You have serious issues if that's how you feel.
YankeeZim
04-05-06, 07:16 PM
Yeah, and on "Bonds on Bonds" he said he receives plenty of hate mail every day, much of it containing racist slurs. I think this show may humanize him more than any interview he could possibly do or at least have people think twice before judging him.Well thats exactly what him and his professional handlers hope will happen. A little slight of hand, change the story away from his transgressions and try to show him as the victim. Then pray it changes the way he is percieved by the vast majority of baseball fans.
Mattpat11
04-05-06, 07:36 PM
Bonds is no better than murderers and rapists (which was Brosius' point...) Wow. That's incredible. You have serious issues if that's how you feel.Bonds has only threatened to kill someone. So, yes, I suppose he is slightly better. I'm sorry.
surge511
04-05-06, 07:40 PM
I don't think I have ever hated someone that I have not met more. Baseball would be so much better off if he just disappeared.
noneckwilliams
04-05-06, 08:02 PM
I don't think I have ever hated someone that I have not met more. Baseball would be so much better off if he just disappeared.
You hate Barry Bonds more than you hate Osama bin Laden or Mohammed Atta? Dude get a grip.
What did Barry Bonds do to you - destroy your innocence? Take away your precious national pastime forever? Does his presence on earth ruin your enjoyment of the game? Do you often take out the Baseball Encyclopedia and just stare at Ruth and Aaron's numbers and get warm and fuzzy? Has all that been been destroyed? Will you be able to go on?
I've got news for you, it's likely that at least some of the people that you hold in high regard (but haven't met) are scumbags in their personal lives.
Archer1979
04-05-06, 08:04 PM
The world would be a much better place if Barry Bonds were selling shoes for a living.
Maybe open a wig store.
He could probably sell user cars, but I see that as a lateral move.
MaineSoxFan
04-05-06, 08:06 PM
Gammons, in his latest article, doesn't have much sympathy for Bonds. He talks about what other players have gone through in being taunted as much worse:
"I was there in San Diego. I have been in Fenway and watched adults stand behind kids and scream obscenities at Derek Jeter, of all people. I was in Three Rivers Stadium when they threw batteries at Dave Parker, and on the bus outside Yankee Stadium when fans smashed in the window of the bus while going after Carlton Fisk, three of them dressed in "Fisk Eats Rice" T-shirts."
He then talks about how low key most of the crowd in San Diego actually was. I don't think Bonds is going to get much sympathy.
Panamaniac42
04-05-06, 08:10 PM
I don't see how Bonds is any better than the scum on the evening news.[/font]
Do you really believe that? Please tell me you're exaggerating just to sound cool.
FYI here's an example of the scum on the evening news these days:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke5.html
On 3/7/2006 Sgt. Gottlieb was contacted by a confidential source. The source provided Sgt. Gottlieb a copy of an email sent by email address ryan.mcfadyen@duke.edu. The email dated March 14, 2006 at 1:58am stated:
To whom it may concern
tommrow night, after tonights show, ive decided to have some strippers over to edens 2c. all are welcome.. however there will be no nudity. i plan on killing the bitches as soon as the walk in and proceding to cut their skin off while cumming my duke issue spandex..
People can talk all they like about how Bonds gets treated like this because he is such a terrible human being, but in reality it has nothing to do with the person he is. In all honesty, NONE of us know who Bonds is besides the hulking beast presented to us on Sportscenter to some ominous music track behind him. This is a game which is played by one team on both sides, and that is the collective media specifically ESPN. They shred Bonds on a daily basis, cover him as though he was the second coming of christ, and then put on their shocked faces when he gets a syringe thrown at him in a ballpark. Then proceed to make Bonds out to be a sympathetic figure. By tommorow morning he will once again be a pariah.
I am not saying anything one way or the other, certainly not that he is a good guy and certainly not that he is the supervillain he is portrayed as. What I'm saying is that this is the way the media plays the game, and that's why for the most part I just can not take any sports reporting seriously any longer.
NYYBombshell
04-05-06, 08:37 PM
Some of the people who are lambasting those who are lambasting Bonds, sound worse than we [Bonds haters] do.
yankees27
04-05-06, 08:38 PM
Some of the people who are lambasting those who are lambasting Bonds, sound worse than we [Bonds haters] do.
I find it a bit ridiculous to say that someone who used steroids is as bad, or worse than a child molestor.
NYYBombshell
04-05-06, 08:40 PM
I find it a bit ridiculous to say that someone who used steroids is as bad, or worse than a child molestor.
I don't think anyone really means that or thinks that. I think a wee bit of hyperbole is going on here. I've called a person the "stupidest person in the world"......but have I met everyone on the planet with which to make that designation? No.
Panamaniac42
04-05-06, 09:14 PM
I've called a person the "stupidest person in the world"......but have I met everyone on the planet with which to make that designation? No.
The "scum on the evening news" are characters which we all have access to...it's not the same as needing to "meet everyone on the planet". I gotta watch the game, later everyone.
AnibalTheCannibal
04-05-06, 09:29 PM
You hate Barry Bonds more than you hate Osama bin Laden or Mohammed Atta? Dude get a grip.
What did Barry Bonds do to you - destroy your innocence? Take away your precious national pastime forever? Does his presence on earth ruin your enjoyment of the game? Do you often take out the Baseball Encyclopedia and just stare at Ruth and Aaron's numbers and get warm and fuzzy? Has all that been been destroyed? Will you be able to go on?
I've got news for you, it's likely that at least some of the people that you hold in high regard (but haven't met) are scumbags in their personal lives.
:clap:
Some of these people (especially the person who I can only assume is about 15 years old) comparing him tomurderes and child molesters are pathetic. Barry hurt their feelings. Gee, I wonder if Mattpat hates that dreaded Gaylord Perry and his cheating spit ball as much as Bonds? I mean, cheating is cheating, and the spit ball was very illegal.
Some people have so much hate in them for a total stranger tat it leads me to believe they don't have much going on in their lives.
Mattpat11
04-05-06, 09:33 PM
:clap:
Some of these people (especially the person who I can only assume is about 15 years old) comparing him tomurderes and child molesters are pathetic. .I compared him to a murderer because he threatened to kill someone. I really don't think that's such a leap.
NYYBombshell
04-05-06, 09:53 PM
Some people have so much hate in them for a total stranger that it leads me to believe they don't have much going on in their lives.
Yeah, we're all friendless losers sitting on an internet forum discussing our dislike for a fraudulent baseball player.
Shame on us and our pathetic selves. I'll go sit in the corner and stare at the wall now.
effdamets
04-06-06, 09:09 AM
:clap:
Barry hurt their feelings. Gee, I wonder if Mattpat hates that dreaded Gaylord Perry and his cheating spit ball as much as Bonds? I mean, cheating is cheating, and the spit ball was very illegal.
Well, spit is not against the law to obtain or use, as steroids are. That does not mean I condone a course of action to cheat. However, using a spit ball is on a whole different level than using steroids.
It's kind of like shooting a bullet out of a gun and comparing its speed to a bullet that you throw!
I want him erased from baseball. I want Pud Lite over there to grow a pair, exercise the "best interests of baseball" clause in that toilet paper of a contract of his and throw him out. If he doesn't, put an asterisk the size of my ass next to that record so that everyone who sees it will know it was attained by a FRAUD.
do you feel the same about Sheff and Giambi??
effdamets
04-06-06, 10:42 AM
do you feel the same about Sheff and Giambi??
Yep!
And any other player who has cheated to crush the integrity of the game.
Yep!
And any other player who has cheated to crush the integrity of the game.
:clap:
kudos to you.....I appreciate your honesty
brosiusbuddy
04-06-06, 02:15 PM
Well, spit is not against the law to obtain or use, as steroids are. That does not mean I condone a course of action to cheat. However, using a spit ball is on a whole different level than using steroids.
It's kind of like shooting a bullet out of a gun and comparing its speed to a bullet that you throw!
Although I don't quite understand your analogy, I disagree with your main point. Cheating is cheating, whether its spit or roids. If you want to base your judgement on the lengths a player has to go through to cheat, then fine. But don't single Barry out because, as we all know, theres a great amount of players who were on roids in the league.
effdamets
04-06-06, 02:25 PM
Although I don't quite understand your analogy, I disagree with your main point. Cheating is cheating, whether its spit or roids. If you want to base your judgement on the lengths a player has to go through to cheat, then fine. But don't single Barry out because, as we all know, theres a great amount of players who were on roids in the league.
Steroids (without a perscription) are illegal in this country.
And to me, when you are using an illegal substance to alter the history of the game and flatten its integrity, then you are a piece of sh*t....
brosiusbuddy
04-06-06, 02:27 PM
Steroids (without a perscription) are illegal in this country.
And to me, when you are using an illegal substance to alter the history of the game and flatten its integrity, then you are a piece of sh*t....
Then the MLB is just one giant toilet because theres a lot of juicers and you should consider that before you single out Barry Bonds and if it isn't your intention to single him out, you should make that clear.
jlw1980
04-06-06, 02:41 PM
Who said he should be erased from the earth? Find one post here where anyone wishes him dead, and I'll eat my hat. I want him erased from baseball. I want Pud Lite over there to grow a pair, exercise the "best interests of baseball" clause in that toilet paper of a contract of his and throw him out. If he doesn't, put an asterisk the size of my ass next to that record so that everyone who sees it will know it was attained by a FRAUD.
If you don't like us bitching about Barry Bonds, that's fine. However, if you don't see why people don't like him, you're not looking hard enough.
WORD. :rockin:
PeteRFNY
04-06-06, 02:41 PM
WAY before Bonds juiced his way to a size-73 neck and bowling ball head, I didn't like the guy. I remember seeing footage of Bonds back in Pittsburgh fighting with (of all people) Jim Leyland, making gestures to fans and acting like a prima donna. All the steroid thing did was magnify what a total jerk the guy is.
It's all about Barry, it's always been all about Barry. It upset him to see McGwire ("some white guy") get all that attention in '98, so he couldn't help himself. Someone's reasons for doing stupid things are no better or worse than anyone elses, but envy has to be right at the top of the list of stupidity.
So Barry agrees to do "Bonds on Bonds" (a title BTW that conjures up images of Conan O'Brien's "Max on Max" routine) as long as he has total control. Of course - now he can make himself look like a victim, the same way hold up men say society made them rob liquor stores because they weren't breast-fed: it's always someone else's fault because it's easier to say that than take responsibility for one's own problems.
People hate Bonds because in life, you get back what you give. You could look high and low for a more miserable person - and NOT murderers or rapists - but every day people. You'd have to look pretty hard.
PeteRFNY
04-06-06, 02:44 PM
Then the MLB is just one giant toilet because theres a lot of juicers and you should consider that before you single out Barry Bonds and if it isn't your intention to single him out, you should make that clear.
Gary Thorne was talking about this during a game on Monday, and he made a good point: you HAVE to go after Bonds, because he's the biggest name out there of all the potential offenders. It's like when the FBI goes after the mafia - you go after Gotti, not Frankie the Hat - because if you take out Gotti, the rest will fall like dominoes.
To paraphrase Thorne, if you don't do ANYTHING, then you might as well make performance-enhancing drugs 100% legal and let the one with the best pharmacist win. That's what we've had for the last 10 years or so - and to be quite honest, it's NOT good major league baseball. It's barely good Sony Playstation baseball.
NYYBombshell
04-06-06, 02:46 PM
do you feel the same about Sheff and Giambi??
I would if they were in pursuit of a hallowed baseball record. I wouldn't want them to get the accolades and acclaim that comes with breaking a record like that if they had to cheat to get there.
brosiusbuddy
04-06-06, 03:04 PM
It's like when the FBI goes after the mafia - you go after Gotti, not Frankie the Hat - because if you take out Gotti, the rest will fall like dominoes.
That is not the same thing AT ALL. If you take out a mob boss, the rest don't function because the one who organized the criminal activity and had control over his soldiers isnt there anymore. That leads to lesser figures not being as structured in their criminal activity which makes it easier for them to get arrested.
Bonds doesn't have control over the rest of the steroid using population in the MLB. If he goes down its better for the rest because the MLB will have their big PR win and that will be that. Meanwhile the rest of guys who aren't noticeably using roids get off scot free. The league needs to make it clear that they intend to punish everyone who uses roids, not just the one who's gotten the best results from it.
That mafia analogy is awful.
I would if they were in pursuit of a hallowed baseball record. I wouldn't want them to get the accolades and acclaim that comes with breaking a record like that if they had to cheat to get there.
So, because Barry Bonds is a better ball player than either Giambi or Sheffield you only care about him is basically what you've just said. Steroids worked best for him so he's the bad guy? Thats a joke.
If three guys all rob a bank at gunpoint and 2 make off with $10k and the third makes off with $150k is the third guy the only bad one of the bunch?
NYYBombshell
04-06-06, 03:08 PM
So, because Barry Bonds is a better ball player than either Giambi or Sheffield you only care about him is basically what you've just said. Steroids worked best for him so he's the bad guy? Thats a joke.
I don't care if you think it's a joke. I never liked Bonds, even before his pursuit of Aaron's record became imminent.
brosiusbuddy
04-06-06, 05:01 PM
I don't care if you think it's a joke. I never liked Bonds, even before his pursuit of Aaron's record became imminent.
Then why do you bother to use his pursuit of the record as reasoning for your dislike towards him?
NYYBombshell
04-06-06, 05:04 PM
Then why do you bother to use his pursuit of the record as reasoning for your dislike towards him?
Because it makes me dislike him more. I'd hate him regardless, but the fact that he has used steroids, the fact that steroids have allowed him to be within spitting distance of both Ruth and Aaron is just infuriating.
noneckwilliams
04-06-06, 05:15 PM
Because it makes me dislike him more. I'd hate him regardless, but the fact that he has used steroids, the fact that steroids have allowed him to be within spitting distance of both Ruth and Aaron is just infuriating.
Do you think Barry Bonds ever hit a dinger off a pitcher who was using performance enhacing drugs?
NYYBombshell
04-06-06, 05:28 PM
Do you think Barry Bonds ever hit a dinger off a pitcher who was using performance enhacing drugs?
I don't know.
brosiusbuddy
04-06-06, 05:37 PM
Do you think Barry Bonds ever hit a dinger off a pitcher who was using performance enhacing drugs?
LOL good point!
Barry is just trying to level the playing field, not give himself the edge.
Seriously that is a good point though, not that I'm condoning the use of roids for anyone.
NYYBombshell
04-06-06, 05:46 PM
LOL good point!
Barry is just trying to level the playing field, not give himself the edge.
Seriously that is a good point though, not that I'm condoning the use of roids for anyone.
I've seen how steroids affect hitters [Bonds, Giambi, et al], but how do PEDs affect pitchers?
brosiusbuddy
04-06-06, 06:09 PM
I've seen how steroids affect hitters [Bonds, Giambi, et al], but how do PEDs affect pitchers?
an increase in arm strength will produce faster pitches
yankeebot
04-06-06, 06:14 PM
I've seen how steroids affect hitters [Bonds, Giambi, et al], but how do PEDs affect pitchers?Most pitchers use them for quicker recovery from injury and the everyday wear and tear. I am sure some added muscle mass would be inevitable. But one of the big things that steroids do that gets very little mention is that they give players enormous self-confidence boost which is pivotal for a pitcher.
I almost felt sorry for him after reading this, but then I told myself he must be victimizing himself in order to gain sympathy. Not buying it ;)
obsessedyankeefan
04-06-06, 09:34 PM
:nopity: :nopity: :nopity:
effdamets
04-07-06, 07:34 AM
Then the MLB is just one giant toilet because theres a lot of juicers and you should consider that before you single out Barry Bonds and if it isn't your intention to single him out, you should make that clear.
Well, I don't remember saying that Bonds is a piece of sh*t.... My statement is a blanket statement which would encompass all users of illegal steroids.
BillBuckner
04-07-06, 07:42 AM
This really has nothing to do to what we're talking about, but I had the weirdest dream last night that Barry Bonds came to my college to play a game of pickup wiffleball (yes a weird dream). When he came up to bat my friends and I starting chanting "serrrroids, sterrroids...". He then came over, and started to yell at the crowd, asking who did it. When he turned around and walked back to the batter's box, we started the chant again. Then he grounded out to short. This may have been the most worthless post in the history of Nyyfans.com, but I thought I'd still share.
I would if they were in pursuit of a hallowed baseball record. I wouldn't want them to get the accolades and acclaim that comes with breaking a record like that if they had to cheat to get there.
why should it matter that he's in pursuit of a record......in the end, they all did the same thing (Bonds, Sheff, Giambi, and all the other users)
I mean, Sheff and Giambi helped their teams win games.......hell, Giambi won an MVP... should that be taken away as well??
effdamets
04-07-06, 07:43 AM
This really has nothing to do to what we're talking about, but I had the weirdest dream last night that Barry Bonds came to my college to play a game of pickup wiffleball (yes a weird dream). When he came up to bat my friends and I starting chanting "serrrroids, sterrroids...". He then came over, and started to yell at the crowd, asking who did it. When he turned around and walked back to the batter's box, we started the chant again. Then he grounded out to short. This may have been the most worthless post in the history of Nyyfans.com, but I thought I'd still share.
Was he wearng his normal body armour in the batters box?
BillBuckner
04-07-06, 07:44 AM
Was he wearng his normal body armour in the batters box?
As a matter of fact, I think he was.
Hitman23
04-07-06, 08:28 AM
Barry is dealing with the consequences of his actions right now. If he didn't want this, maybe he should have thought a little bit before opening his mouth the way he has all these years.
PeteRFNY
04-07-06, 08:36 AM
That mafia analogy is awful.
Really?
If the person that is foremost in the spotlight, going after one of the Holy Grails of baseball records is revealed to be a cheater, a fake, a fraud - and either has his numbers taken away from him, or tainted forever with an asterisk (it's argueable that the numbers are already tainted), the message would be sent loud and clear: you cheat, you get caught, you'll be exposed. The result will be less players willing to risk a career or potential Hall of Fame membership by doing garbage.
OF COURSE the analogy was not meant to be taken literally, but figuratively: you want to stop something, you go after the highest profile target. Perhaps I should have been clearer about that.
If three guys all rob a bank at gunpoint and 2 make off with $10k and the third makes off with $150k is the third guy the only bad one of the bunch?
There's always the guy that came up with the plan and the guys that went along with it. Look at any shady activity and that's usually the case.
For the record, YES, you HAVE to go after ANYONE that looks suspicious. That would include anyone who had a questionable numbers jump OR is named in any of the BALCO testimony. BUT - my point has always been - in any investigation, you need an "impact target". You can't just throw darts all over the wall. It just so happens that the bull's eye these days is Barry Bonds.
If it's up to me, I say get 'em all. But until the Player's Association and MLB come up with a plan to blood test for HGH, this is all smoke and mirrors.
But we shall see.
PeteRFNY
04-07-06, 08:47 AM
I've seen how steroids affect hitters [Bonds, Giambi, et al], but how do PEDs affect pitchers?
I don't know if it's very beneficial at all for pitchers to use steroids since bulk decreases flexibility. Flexiblity is the most important thing for a pitcher (I paid SOME attention back in little league!), so it would not benefit them to get "bulky". It's NOT going to increase pitch speed if you slow down arm speed, so why would they?
You'd have to be pretty D-U-M stupid to be a pitcher and take 'roids. It would mean you don't even understand why (or how) you do what you do!
yankeebot
04-07-06, 09:02 AM
why should it matter that he's in pursuit of a record......in the end, they all did the same thing (Bonds, Sheff, Giambi, and all the other users)
I mean, Sheff and Giambi helped their teams win games.......hell, Giambi won an MVP... should that be taken away as well??How can it not matter? There are countless numbers of players that took steroids over the past decade. We will never know who they all are or how much their play was affected by it. We have no control over the past. But we (and by we I mean MLB) can take control of the future and prevent new records being established by cheaters. Giambi and Sheff are not establishing records that will be viewed by future generations and past accomplishments cannot be judged without any proof of what the role of steroids played.
Personnally, nothing would please me more than Giambi giving his MVP award back to MLB although I would never expect that to happen. But when he received it, he was not under investigation. Bonds is.
LongLiveBernie51!
04-07-06, 11:43 AM
I would if they were in pursuit of a hallowed baseball record. I wouldn't want them to get the accolades and acclaim that comes with breaking a record like that if they had to cheat to get there.
To most players, getting a WS ring would be more important then their HR total.
So in hindsight, are you happy that Giambi did not win a World Series with the Yankees during the alleged steriod years?
What if they had won a WS when Giambi was on the team? Would you have the same hatred for him? The same could be said for Sheffield.
brosiusbuddy
04-07-06, 08:55 PM
Really?
If the person that is foremost in the spotlight, going after one of the Holy Grails of baseball records is revealed to be a cheater, a fake, a fraud - and either has his numbers taken away from him, or tainted forever with an asterisk (it's argueable that the numbers are already tainted), the message would be sent loud and clear: you cheat, you get caught, you'll be exposed. The result will be less players willing to risk a career or potential Hall of Fame membership by doing garbage.
There's always the guy that came up with the plan and the guys that went along with it. Look at any shady activity and that's usually the case.
.
I don't think anyone in baseball who uses steroids does it with the mindset of "If I do this, I'll break records!" No, its "If I juice, my production will increase and so will may paycheck"
So if Bonds is caught, the MLB would probably take a rest because it appears as though they've done their job and they got the biggest name they're gonna get. This whole thing has turned into MLB v Bonds... the media viewers of the world v Bonds and thats really a shame. If Bonds got caught, that would be the end of it because no one would care who else got caught later. They arent going to go into an investigation on Sheff or Giambi, or Brett Boone because no one would care.
And BTW, the whole issue of steroids did not start with Bonds, so he didnt "come up with the plan" as you implied. Steroids have been in baseball for a while, Bonds has just had the best results.
CaptainThurman
04-08-06, 11:24 AM
My dream of dreams is for Randy Johnson to drill Bonds with a pitch that cannot be surgically removed from his ear....
That would give Barry something to cry about....
If he would stop lying, say he made some bad decisions and was sorry, then maybe people would cut him some slack. But as long as he's a smug lair who ruined the record books, he will be kicked around...
#1PaFan
04-08-06, 09:03 PM
So, why was he crying?
Casey37
04-08-06, 09:07 PM
So, why was he crying?
Because he wants people to feel sorry for him. He's nothing but a scumbag and a lousy actor to boot. :barf:
NYDCYankee
04-11-06, 04:56 AM
Did anyone see Bill O'Reilly defending Bonds by saying the media is being to hard on the guy? What sucker. Looks like Barry's tears are allowed to flow in The No Spin Zone.
SoCal Pinstriper
04-12-06, 01:11 PM
Maybe Barry really was that upset.
Authorities pulled a man's body from the waters of McCovey Cove in San Francisco near AT&T Park on Monday afternoon,
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/04/11/BAGPJI79QB1.DTL&hw=mccovey+cove&sn=001&sc=1000
NYYBombshell
04-12-06, 01:22 PM
Did anyone see Bill O'Reilly defending Bonds by saying the media is being to hard on the guy? What sucker. Looks like Barry's tears are allowed to flow in The No Spin Zone.
Maybe Bill should think about why the media is so hard on the guy.
51BWilliams
04-14-06, 10:00 AM
Watching Bonds cry is like watching millionaires whine about bills. STFU, Barry.
I personally couldn't care less about steroids. It means nothing to me. Im of the opinion that, overall, added muscle and bulk deprives the baseball player of agility and speed, and turns them into a one trick pony. SUre it gives them power, but in the end, i think it takes so much more away from their game that it makes them less of a baseball player in every respect. I'd take a .280, 20HR hitter with great D over a .320 40 HR hitter with no D any day. Of course I'd take a 40HR, .320 hitter with great D, I believe his name is A-Rod. But i digress....
Barry's actions and overall attitude are just wrong on every level, and that's why I just don't like the man.. Cry all you want. I'm sure the Feds, who tend not to fail when they really want somebody, will have you crying plenty. You should conserve your water.
effdamets
04-14-06, 11:35 AM
Watching Bonds cry is like watching millionaires whine about bills. STFU, Barry.
I personally couldn't care less about steroids. It means nothing to me. Im of the opinion that, overall, added muscle and bulk deprives the baseball player of agility and speed, and turns them into a one trick pony. SUre it gives them power, but in the end, i think it takes so much more away from their game that it makes them less of a baseball player in every respect. I'd take a .280, 20HR hitter with great D over a .320 40 HR hitter with no D any day. Of course I'd take a 40HR, .320 hitter with great D, I believe his name is A-Rod. But i digress....
Barry's actions and overall attitude are just wrong on every level, and that's why I just don't like the man.. Cry all you want. I'm sure the Feds, who tend not to fail when they really want somebody, will have you crying plenty. You should conserve your water.
KUDOS!!!
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Mystic Merlyn
04-14-06, 12:37 PM
I'd take a .280, 20HR hitter with great D over a .320 40 HR hitter with no D any day. Of course I'd take a 40HR, .320 hitter with great D, I believe his name is A-Rod. But i digress....
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You would really?
That is a very foolish statement IMO.
aeromac76
04-14-06, 12:45 PM
Im am tired of Bonds, don't care either way..
I am about the Yankees looking for title 27, he has nothing to do with that and I could care less about him..
What bugs me is that if everyone wants him to go away, then we should stop talking about him..
The more we do these witch hunt investigations, the more we give legs to the story..
Selig should have stated "We now have an idea of what went on and have implemented policy to stop it. Anyone who does illegal drugs now will be severely punished. As for what happened in the past, there is nothing I can do about it now. I am focusing on the game today."
The fact he started this investigaton and the feds are now involved, it simply keeps giving this story legs.. Let it drop and let's play baseball 2006 style..
effdamets
04-14-06, 12:48 PM
Im am tired of Bonds, don't care either way..
I am about the Yankees looking for title 27, he has nothing to do with that and I could care less about him..
What bugs me is that if everyone wants him to go away, then we should stop talking about him..
The more we do these witch hunt investigations, the more we give legs to the story..
Selig should have stated "We now have an idea of what went on and have implemented policy to stop it. Anyone who does illegal drugs now will be severely punished. As for what happened in the past, there is nothing I can do about it now. I am focusing on the game today."
The fact he started this investigaton and the feds are now involved, it simply keeps giving this story legs.. Let it drop and let's play baseball 2006 style..
I agree... soemwhat...
Selig needs to lay down a law in baseball to test players' blood. If he does that, I think you'll see a lot of players lose some significant weight.
51BWilliams
04-14-06, 12:55 PM
You would really?
That is a very foolish statement IMO.
I think a guy with respectable offense and great D will help win a lot more games than a guy who is all bat and no glove. See White Sox, 2005. Great team with mostly unremarkable hitters and good defense. Aside from Konerko, not a slugger among them. Of couse the pitching helped, but Rowand, Posednik,etc, all were wonderful defenders with respectable numbers that, when taken as the sum of their parts, made for a great baseball team that won a lot of games.
Of couse, a bad call by the umps here and there never hurts either :D
Mystic Merlyn
04-14-06, 12:59 PM
I think a guy with respectable offense and great D will help win a lot more games than a guy who is all bat and no glove. See White Sox, 2005. Great team with mostly unremarkable hitters and good defense. Aside from Konerko, not a slugger among them. Of couse the pitching helped, but Rowand, Posednik,etc, all were wonderful defenders with respectable numbers that, when taken as the sum of their parts, made for a great baseball team that won a lot of games.
Of couse, a bad call by the umps here and there never hurts either :D
I really disagree. I would take David Ortiz over anyone with great defense an only about 20 HR power.
effdamets
04-14-06, 01:00 PM
I really disagree. I would take David Ortiz over anyone with great defense an only about 20 HR power.
I think he means aside from the DH.
Mystic Merlyn
04-14-06, 01:01 PM
I think he means aside from the DH.
I know-it doesn't matter. I would take Ortiz at 1B over the hypothetical player.
effdamets
04-14-06, 01:05 PM
I know-it doesn't matter. I would take Ortiz at 1B over the hypothetical player.
I can actually see that....
But how about a more significant defensive position, say third base or centerfield?
Mystic Merlyn
04-14-06, 01:09 PM
I can actually see that....
But how about a more significant defensive position, say third base or centerfield?
I wouldn't care-besides, a position like CF will field a guy that can AT LEAST hold his own. Basically, Ortiz isn't going to play CF. I don't really think third base is that significant a defensive position-I would actually put if behind first base as far as importance goes.
51BWilliams
04-14-06, 01:09 PM
I can actually see that....
But how about a more significant defensive position, say third base or centerfield?
THats more where im coming from.
effdamets
04-14-06, 01:15 PM
I wouldn't care-besides, a position like CF will field a guy that can AT LEAST hold his own. Basically, Ortiz isn't going to play CF. I don't really think third base is that significant a defensive position-I would actually put if behind first base as far as importance goes.
I disagree... Third base is much more important in regards to defense than first base is.
And if you (not exactly you per say) are going to draft a team based soley on offensive production, you BETTER have .320 with 40HRs at every position, because you'll need 10 runs per game to win.
Can't win if you don't catch the ball....
Mystic Merlyn
04-14-06, 01:22 PM
I disagree... Third base is much more important in regards to defense than first base is.
And if you (not exactly you per say) are going to draft a team based soley on offensive production, you BETTER have .320 with 40HRs at every position, because you'll need 10 runs per game to win.
Can't win if you don't catch the ball....
If you are assuming that ALL of my players can't even make plays, then yes. However, that would never be the case-very few major league players are that utterly incapable of playing defense. If you draft a team based solely on offensive production, it is highly unlikely that all of them will be that terrible defensively. If I were to construct a team that hit .320 with 40 HR (of course, it would discern position-not just 1B/DH types), I would take my chances with this team. It is likely that a CF or SS with those numbers can probably get by defensively.
Why do you say third base is more important? First base is involved in a LOT more plays, and third base basically requires minimal lateral movement and a strong arm.
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