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AMYanks
03-14-06, 08:05 PM
I figured we might as well start a new one for the new year.
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Recent Jets News:
Jets | Team signs Chatham
Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:19:28 -0800
Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the New York Jets have signed free agent LB Matt Chatham (Patriots) to a three-year contract. No financial terms were disclosed, but the contract was described by agent Paul Sheehy as a "hybrid" in which Chatham, who had four career starts in six seasons with New England, can cash in if he wins a starting LB job in head coach Eric Mangini's defense.
Jets | Team lands von Oelhoffen
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:18:20 -0800
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the New York Jets have agreed to terms with free agent DE Kimo von Oelhoffen (Steelers) on a 3-year, $9.2 million deal including a $3.2 million signing bonus.
RIyankee
03-14-06, 10:36 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek:
You beat Taylor (JeffWeaverFan) to it!!!
A tradition broken!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek:
JeffWeaverFan
03-15-06, 10:57 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek:
You beat Taylor (JeffWeaverFan) to it!!!
A tradition broken!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek:
Since the tradition of me starting the threads always ended up with the Jets not winning, a change might do the Jets some good. :)
AMYanks
03-16-06, 06:36 AM
A chat with Rich Cimini from JetNation last night.
http://www.jetnation.com/?p=461#more-461
I like how the Jets have a lot of interest in Brad Kassel. Very good LB from Tennessee, was in high demand last winter. After a poor season by Tennessee as a team this year, people just forgot about him. He would be a great LB for the 3-4. I'm also holding out hope for Abraham to Atlanta for Schaub and a 2nd rounder, but that doesn't look likely. His strong negative comments about Pouha were a little surprising, too.
AMYanks
03-16-06, 11:34 PM
Not sure how legitimate this site is, but it says Abraham is headed to Atlanta.
http://www.sportsnetamerica.com/bleeding_green.htm
Looks Like Abraham might be headed to The Falcons after all. After Talks became serious with Seattle, from what we are hearing the Falcons caved to the Jets demands, But Schaub does not look like part of the deal. Two packages were discussed
This years 2nd round Pick and 07 1st from the Falcons
OR
The other was This years 1st and a draft pick that could be worth as high as a 3rd round in 07 depending on performance
The deal will be announced Friday Afternoon.
YankyDave
03-17-06, 03:09 PM
Jets send a 6th rounder to the Redskins for Ramsey per ESPN.
AMYanks
03-17-06, 03:12 PM
I'm not in love with Ramsey, but for a 6th round pick, it's a deal that has to be made.
JeffWeaverFan
03-17-06, 05:01 PM
Not happy about this at all. This means that we won't move up to get Leinart and we aren't going to get Matt Schaub.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2372951
In their marathon pursuit of New York Jets three-time Pro Bowl defensive end John Abraham, the Atlanta Falcons and Seattle Seahawks have each reached the halfway point of the grueling race.
But they are different halves and, unfortunately for both suitors, they're still a long way from the finish line in trying to land Abraham.
The Falcons on Friday reached an agreement with Abraham on a multi-year contract, a high-ranking team official and several league sources confirmed. The next step: Reaching a trade agreement with the Jets on appropriate compensation for the standout defender.
Seattle, conversely, has finished the second half of the equation, but not the first. Sources involved in the trade negotiations confirmed Friday evening that the Seahawks and Jets have agreed on a compensation package, but that Seattle has not reached an accord with Abraham on a contract. As part of the package, the Seahawks would surrender their first-round choice in the 2006 draft, the 31st pick overall.
RIyankee
03-17-06, 05:46 PM
Not happy about this at all. This means that we won't move up to get Leinart and we aren't going to get Matt Schaub.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2372951
IMO, you're not getting Schaub, but trading up for Leinart is still a very distinct possibilty.
JeffWeaverFan
03-17-06, 06:08 PM
IMO, you're not getting Schaub, but trading up for Leinart is still a very distinct possibilty.
Getting Ramsey tells me we aren't going to draft a QB in this draft. At least not with our 1st round pick.
AMYanks
03-17-06, 11:10 PM
Getting Ramsey tells me we aren't going to draft a QB in this draft. At least not with our 1st round pick.
I don't think Ramsey will stop this team from grabbing one of the franchise QBs, if they really want one.
hellonewman
03-21-06, 07:30 PM
Abraham trade completed:
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/sports/index.ssf?/base/sports-13/1142990072104750.xml&storylist=sports
Farewell, dear malcontent.
JeffWeaverFan
03-21-06, 07:46 PM
I guess the 29th overall pick isn't bad, but I wish we could have gotten maybe a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the deal too. I think the Broncos made out like bandits in this deal moving up 14 slots by giving away a 3rd rounder and a 4th rounder next year. Now I wonder if we will try to use our 2 first rounders to move up to the 2 spot to draft Leinart.
Snatch Catch
03-21-06, 07:54 PM
Now I wonder if we will try to use our 2 first rounders to move up to the 2 spot to draft Leinart.
I think they will try, but I'm almost positive that I read it isn't enough based on the charts that teams use to determine draftpick trade value (i.e. to trade for the 2 pick and give up the 4, you would have to include another pick greater than 16 or something).
Does anyone here have access to the chart?
RIyankee
03-21-06, 09:44 PM
I think they will try, but I'm almost positive that I read it isn't enough based on the charts that teams use to determine draftpick trade value (i.e. to trade for the 2 pick and give up the 4, you would have to include another pick greater than 16 or something).
Does anyone here have access to the chart?
Here ya go...
http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp
JeffWeaverFan
03-22-06, 12:11 AM
I've been thinking about this deal, and although I am fine with it, I wonder if we could have done better had we cut Denver out. I know we have a lot of positions to fill, but what if we added our 4th rounder this year and our 4th rounder next year and gotten Atlanta's first round pick instead of getting Denver's. I think that a 4th this year and a 4th next year surely is not a bad price to pay to move up from the 29th overall pick to the 15th. And, had we moved up, we could have drafted Lendale White with the 15th pick.
JeffWeaverFan
03-22-06, 12:16 AM
Oh yeah, I guess I missed it but we also signed Tim Dwight to a 4 year deal with a 750K signing bonus.
AMYanks
03-29-06, 08:31 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2389547&type=story
Wednesday, March 29, 2006
Jets, Dyson agree to five-year, $11.5 million deal
<HR width="100%" noShade SIZE=1>By John Clayton
ESPN.com
The New York Jets beat out two of Andre Dyson's former teams -- the Tennessee Titans and the Seattle Seahawks -- and reached an agreement with the cornerback on a five-year, $11.5 million deal, including $3 million in signing and roster bonuses.
Dyson will replace Ty Law as one of the Jets' starting corners.
By going to the Jets, Dyson will end up making more money than he would have had he stayed with the Seahawks, who released him last month. Dyson was scheduled to make $3 million this season.
Dyson, 26, was drafted by the Titans, and went to the Seahawks prior to the 2005 season. Apparently, he didn't burn any ties with his former teams. Both Seattle and Tennessee were trying to talk Dyson into a lower paying contract to come back and compete for a starting job.
Dyson opted to make a new start with new head coach Eric Mangini and the Jets.
In his five years in the league, Dyson, a graduate of Utah, has 17 interceptions and 69 passes defensed.
Dyson is young, and has a lot of tools to work with. Mangini can make him into something special. This is a great signing, also when you factor in the fairly low salary for a player with his skill-set.
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
03-29-06, 08:37 PM
Nice move. Back this up with a good draft, and we'll have some real building blocks. Not signing Abraham to a long term deal is already showing benefits.
dabomb2045
03-29-06, 08:38 PM
I agree, good move. I like Dyson alot.
JeffWeaverFan
03-29-06, 11:27 PM
Count me on board as another guy that likes the move. So far, I am quite happy with the new regime.
AMYanks
03-31-06, 03:53 PM
http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060331/UPDATES01/603310356/1002/SPORTS
NJ, NFL announce revised stadium deal
BY JANET FRANKSTON
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
NEWARK (AP) -- Officials from the state, the New York Giants and the New York Jets announced today they've made several changes to an agreement signed last fall that will create a new, $1 billion football stadium in the Meadowlands.
Meanwhile today, the Jets announced the team has selected Florham Park as the new location for its corporate headquarters and practice facility. The team is expected to move from Hempstead, N.Y., in the summer of 2007.
Under the updated stadium agreement, the state would not be required to pay for $30 million of infrastructure costs around the stadium, said Gary Rose, chief of the governor's office of economic growth.
The stadium is expected to open for the 2010 season and will seat about 81,000.
The new stadium agreement comes after Gov. Jon S. Corzine earlier this month questioned the financial terms of the original deal, brokered by his predecessor, former Gov. Richard J. Codey.
The teams would also be allowed to collect money for naming rights to the stadium and the complex as a whole, with the exception of the Continental Airlines Arena and a new entertainment and retail development that is being built there.
The state also would drop its pursuit of a retractable dome for the new arena, Rose said. Team owners had said they would kill the earlier agreement if the state forced them to pay for a roof.
"Governor Codey made a tremendous effort to keep the Giants and Jets in New Jersey and today's announcement confirms the partnership that has been fostered between New Jersey and the teams," Corzine said in a statement. "The stadium that will be built will be a world-class facility that will set a new standard for football venues."
The owners of the teams said in a joint statement that they are pleased with the updated agreement.
"We are very grateful to the governor for recognizing the importance of this project," said Woody Johnson, chairman and chief executive officer of the Jets. "We are looking forward to moving ahead and beginning work on the new stadium as planned."
Andrew Zimbalist, a professor of economics at Smith College who specializes in sports, called the updated agreement a nice compromise.
"Corzine is to be congratulated for getting another bite at the apple," he said.
In a memorandum of understanding signed in September, the Giants and Jets agreed to jointly finance the new stadium at the Meadowlands Sports Complex in East Rutherford.
Another sticking point had been property taxes for East Rutherford.
East Rutherford officials said it was unfair that the original agreement didn't account for the collection of property taxes on the ancillary development the teams are proposing to build: about 520,000 square feet for restaurants, entertainment and retail space around the stadium.
East Rutherford Mayor James Cassella had threatened to take legal action over the property tax issue.
Cassella said the borough has had discussions with state officials in the last few days, but no dollar amount has been agreed to.
Rose said the discussions with East Rutherford are ongoing and the state wants to find a solution.
While the Giants will build their own training facility on a site within the Meadowlands in East Rutherford, the Jets will move to Florham Park, a borough of 12,000 about 30 miles west of Manhattan.
The Jets also considered sites in Jersey City, Wood-Ridge, Berkeley Heights and Millburn.
"After conducting a comprehensive search, we have concluded that the Florham Park site best fits our needs as an organization," Jets President Jay Cross said in a statement.
Florham Park Mayor Frank Tinari said the Jets' offices would be part of a 420-acre development, with housing, offices, a hotel and day care center.
The development must still receive zoning approval from the borough, which should take place over the next two months, he said.
I'm glad that there's no roof.
JeffWeaverFan
04-01-06, 08:59 PM
So now the team doesn't practice in NY and won't play in NY... I wish we could have gotten our own stadium but yeah, I'm also quite happy there is no roof. I'd be infuriated if there was one.
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
04-03-06, 12:23 PM
http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060331/UPDATES01/603310356/1002/SPORTS
I'm glad that there's no roof.
:gulp: :clap: :clap: :rockin:
I would have seriously considered switching allegiances if they put a roof or a retractable roof on the stadium, that's how much I believe that football is an outdoor sport. This deal is so much better for real football fans than the West Side monstrosity would have been.
I still wish they would have moved the practice facility to Jersey City...Florham Park? Training camp in JC would have been great for the city, the last thing Florham Park needs is more corporate dollars but hey, you can't have it all. No roof is good enough for me. Also, 81,000 seats is an AWESOME idea. More seats instead of less finally... I can't stand these cozy new lower capacity stadiums.
Snatch Catch
04-04-06, 06:22 PM
Who else is hoping Lendale slips to the end of the 1st with his ridiculously bad workout?
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
04-04-06, 10:12 PM
Who else is hoping Lendale slips to the end of the 1st with his ridiculously bad workout?
Count me in...a bad workout is just a bad workout, it doesn't mean he can't play. I'd be happy as hell if he slipped into our hands.
AMYanks
04-05-06, 02:51 PM
One scout said they thought White should have been wearing a bra. He is way out of shape. Mangini has preached high character and hard work all the way, I don't see him taking a poor character guy who has a horrible work ethic. Big runners who have a horrible work ethic are HUGE gambles, regardless of how much stock you put into character.
I would definitely pass on him.
AMYanks
04-06-06, 02:57 PM
Jets 2006 Schedule
Sept. 10 at Titans 1 p.m.
Sept. 17 Patriots 4:15 p.m.
Sept. 24 at Bills 1 p.m.
Oct.1 Colts 1 p.m.
Oct. 8 at Jaguars 4:05 p.m.
Oct. 15 Dolphins 4:15 p.m.
Oct. 22 Lions 1 p.m.
Oct. 29 at Browns 4:15 p.m.
Nov. 5 Bye
Nov. 12 at Patriots 1 p.m.
Nov. 19 Bears 1 p.m.
Nov. 26 Texans 1 p.m.
Dec. 3 at Packers 1 p.m.
Dec. 10 Bills 1 p.m.
Dec. 17 at Vikings 1 p.m.
Dec. 25 at Dolphins (Mon) 8:30 p.m.
Dec. 31 Raiders 1 p.m.
JeffWeaverFan
04-06-06, 04:27 PM
If I wasn't graduating this year, I would definitely go to the Titans game.
AMYanks
04-10-06, 08:46 PM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/
Jets Sign UFA LB Kassell
The New York Jets announced today the signing of unrestricted free agent linebacker Brad Kassell (http://www.newyorkjets.com/roster/?player_lastname=Kassell). The announcement was made by Jets’ General Manager Mike Tannenbaum.
"Brad is an intelligent player who was able to use the opportunity of an undrafted free agent to become a starter in the NFL," said Head Coach Eric Mangini. "He has made significant contributions on special teams and I look forward to his outstanding toughness and competitiveness helping this program."
"Brad has demonstrated through his first four seasons in the NFL that he is a tough player who understands the commitment level needed to succeed at the pro level," said Tannenbaum. "People who have coached him have spoken about his selfless demeanor and the team-first mentality he has and we’ve put an emphasis on acquiring those types of talented players."
"I was impressed with the direction of the Jets on my visit," said Kassell. "They stressed that they are looking for highly-productive players that can be versatile and are willing to do whatever it takes to win football games. I’m excited to get involved in the off-season strength and conditioning program and get up to speed with the program they have underway here."
Kassell, 27, is a 6-3, 242-pound product of the University of North Texas, who signed as an undrafted rookie free agent in 2002 with the Tennessee Titans. The native of Llano, TX has played in 56 career regular season games, making 32 starts, and has collected 259 career tackles (162 solo), along with 46 career special teams stops, nine passes defensed, seven tackles for losses, two fumble recoveries, and an interception returned for a touchdown during his four-year professional career.
As both a junior and senior at North Texas, Kassell was named as The Sun Belt Conference’s Defensive Player of the Year. After signing as a free agent with the Titans, he spent the first seven games of his rookie season on the Titans’ practice squad before being added to the active roster, where he played the final nine games of the 2002 regular season.
In 2003 he played in every game and started four contests at middle linebacker and totaled 41 tackles on defense and helped the Titans finish first in run defense in the NFL. He also finished second on the team with a career-high 23 special teams tackles. In 2004, Kassell played in 15 games and established career-highs in starts (14), tackles (128), passes defensed (six), tackles for losses (four) and quarterback pressures (two). He led or tied for the team-high in tackles in five contests after he took over the starting middle linebacker spot for the injured Rocky Calmus in second game of the season. He finished the season on January 2, 2005 by recording a career-high 19 tackles against the Detroit Lions.
Last season (2005), Kassell played in all 16 games and made 14 starts and registered 89 tackles, eight special teams tackles, two fumble recoveries, and recorded his first career interception in the Titans’ second game of the season (9/8/05) when he intercepted an Anthony Wright pass in the fourth quarter and returned it 21-yards for a touchdown, marking his first professional touchdown.
Kassell is the seventh unrestricted free agent to sign with the Jets this off-season, joining tight end Chris Baker (http://www.newyorkjets.com/roster/?player_lastname=Baker), linebacker Matt Chatham (http://www.newyorkjets.com/roster/?player_lastname=Chatham), cornerback Andre Dyson (http://www.newyorkjets.com/roster/?player_lastname=Dyson), defensive linemen Kimo von Oelhoffen (http://www.newyorkjets.com/roster/?player_lastname=von Oelhoffen) and Monsanto Pope (http://www.newyorkjets.com/roster/?player_lastname=Pope) and wide receiver/kick returner Tim Dwight (http://www.newyorkjets.com/roster/?player_lastname=Dwight). The Jets also added veteran quarterback Patrick Ramsey (http://www.newyorkjets.com/roster/?player_lastname=Ramsey) via a trade with the Washington Redskins.
Another strong signing by Mangini/Tannenbaum. Surprised that Kassel stayed under the radar, had two strong years as a starting MLB in Tennessee. Sounds like the perfect Belichick type player that Mangini is looking for, someone who is tough, smart, hard working, etc.
JeffWeaverFan
04-10-06, 09:18 PM
Well, we are definitely going to play the 3-4 this year. I like the way our defense is coming along so far this offseason, but our offense needs a lot of help. My guess is we will be drafting a lot of offensive players. I also believe that we will have no interest in Mario Williams to replace John Abraham with the 4 pick.
Who else is hoping Lendale slips to the end of the 1st with his ridiculously bad workout?I really hope he drops to 32.
JeffWeaverFan
04-10-06, 09:24 PM
Jets | Thomas to move to OLB
Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:25:33 -0700
NewYorkJets.com reports the New York Jets are attempting to move DE Bryan Thomas to outside linebacker. They believe his speed and athleticism are better suited for the position. The knock on Thomas is his lack of experience. Thomas is currently penciled in as the starter opposite incumbent OLB Victor Hobson.
This would be an interesting move. Barton would move inside with Vilma in the 3-4.
dabomb2045
04-10-06, 09:26 PM
Who else is on the D'Brickshaw Ferguson bandwagon?? I REALLY hope we end up getting him.
JeffWeaverFan
04-10-06, 10:17 PM
Who else is on the D'Brickshaw Ferguson bandwagon?? I REALLY hope we end up getting him.
I am now on that bandwagon. But, if the draft ends up going:
1. Texans - Reggie Bush
2. Saints - Mario Williams
3. Titans - Vince Young
I'd like to draft Matt Leinart. If Leinart is off the board, and he most likely will be, get me D'Brick.
AMYanks
04-10-06, 10:28 PM
Who else is on the D'Brickshaw Ferguson bandwagon?? I REALLY hope we end up getting him.
Eh, not really. Jones was a known project with a ton of upside when we drafted him, I still don't see why he can be a very good LT for us. Ferguson is great in pass-protection, but he's small and is awful against the run and bull-rush. He is the top tackle in a class that is deep but lacks the prototype, franchise LT like a Jones, Odgen, Pace, Gallery, etc.
If I had my choice, I'd go with Mario Williams. He could be for Mangini what Seymour is for Belichick. I know we need offense, but I don't see an offensive player available at #4 (unless Leinart drops) that is worth passing up Mario for.
dabomb2045
04-11-06, 12:41 PM
I'd rather not draft a QB this year. I think Ramsey can be decent enough, if he has a good OL in front of him. Plus I have my doubts on all 3 of the top guys (Leinart, Young, Cutler). I think were still gonna be pretty bad next year, and the QB I really want will be in the 2007 Draft (Brady Quinn).
Ferguson has Jonathan Ogden type potential. I think we should take him if he's there.
PinstripePride
04-11-06, 12:46 PM
I'd rather not draft a QB this year. I think Ramsey can be decent enough, if he has a good OL in front of him. Plus I have my doubts on all 3 of the top guys (Leinart, Young, Cutler). I think were still gonna be pretty bad next year, and the QB I really want will be in the 2007 Draft (Brady Quinn).
Ferguson has Jonathan Ogden type potential. I think we should take him if he's there.
I'm with you on this.
JeffWeaverFan
04-11-06, 04:14 PM
I disagree about Ramsey being decent enough. From talking to Redskin fans, he's horrible.
dabomb2045
04-11-06, 04:25 PM
I disagree about Ramsey being decent enough. From talking to Redskin fans, he's horrible.
Even if he sucks...thats fine, since it would allow us to get a high pick again. See my above post as to who I want as our QB of the future.
JeffWeaverFan
04-11-06, 04:53 PM
Even if he sucks...thats fine, since it would allow us to get a high pick again. See my above post as to who I want as our QB of the future.
I saw it and completely agree - Brady Quinn would be my 1st choice too. You seem to really believe that Ramsey will be the starting QB? I still believe that Pennington will be our starter.
AMYanks
04-11-06, 04:55 PM
Ferguson has Jonathan Ogden type potential. I think we should take him if he's there.
I definitely disagree on this. Ogden is a huge monstrous tackle who is great as both a pass-protector and run-blocker. Ogden has no weakness in his game, and is about 6'9 340. Ferguson is a poor run-blocker, who is about 6'5 300. I can't imagine Ferguson ever being near the level of Ogden, I think he will always be on that second tier. He's not good enough for me to spend the #4 overall pick on him.
I tend to agree about the QB, I'm not completely sold on any of the top 3 guys as being a franchise caliber QB. I'd love Quinn, but I don't think we'll be bad enough. Ramsey has great tools, I'd rather build up a strong offensive line that will give him the time. When he's had time he's displayed both the arm strength and accuracy to be successful. If he doesn't do well, then you focus on the QB spot next year (unless Pennington can somehow regain his form, which is obviously highly unlikely.)
dabomb2045
04-11-06, 04:59 PM
I saw it and completely agree - Brady Quinn would be my 1st choice too. You seem to really believe that Ramsey will be the starting QB? I still believe that Pennington will be our starter.
I think Ramsey will be the starter....not necessarily because he earned it with his play. I just believe Pennington is finished.
JeffWeaverFan
04-12-06, 06:18 PM
Jets sign center Trey Teague.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2406714
The New York Jets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyj), who last month released six-time Pro Bowl center Kevin Mawae (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=2826) for salary cap reasons, on Wednesday found his replacement, reaching agreement with unrestricted free agent Trey Teague (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4429) on a two-year contract.
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The durable Teague started at center for the Buffalo Bills (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=buf) in each of the past four seasons. His addition fills a huge void for the Jets, who did not have a proven center on the roster except for veteran Pete Kendall (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3611), a more natural guard who has started at the latter position for New York since 2004.
Contract details on Teague's two-year deal were not yet available. But landing Teague, who visited with Jets officials recently, is certainly a major step toward solidifying the line.
Teague, 31, is a tough interior blocker, a solid technician and a savvy player who can make all of the blocking calls for the revamped Jets line. Given his experience and ability, it was somewhat surprising that Buffalo did not try harder to retain him, but the Bills wanted to go younger at the position. Most observers felt Teague was the best remaining lineman in the much-diluted unrestricted pool.
dabomb2045
04-12-06, 06:48 PM
Pretty good signing. Teague slides under the radar alot...but he is a very good C.
AMYanks
04-12-06, 06:50 PM
Teague's not great, but he's not horrible, either. Solid player who can hold his own, make all the calls, and whose strength is pass-protection (from what I've read.) The Jets have a young kid on the practice squad, Norm Katnik, he could be the center of the future. Was the starting center for USC during one or two of their national championships. In terms of pure skill, he was considered one of the better centers in the nation, but he ended up going undrafted because he only weighed about 270 pounds. Last I heard, he is up to around 295 or 300. I think they will try to groom him to be the center of the future. Teague is a logical signing to help ease the transition.
This also fills a hole on the OL, which is key for the upcoming draft. You never want to go into the draft with huge, glaring needs, which will keep you from taking the best player available. We still need to add a few linemen in the draft, like a RT and a guard, but now we won't be forced to address this and pass up a much better player at another position.
#1PaFan
04-13-06, 04:47 AM
Let me know if any of you Jet fans will be attending the game at Lambeau this season. :gulp:
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
04-15-06, 04:43 PM
Let me know if any of you Jet fans will be attending the game at Lambeau this season. :gulp:
Probably not... but jic...what do you think the tickets would cost me (ballpark figure) I gotta get out to Lambeau one of these seasons, if things break right it could be this year.
Snatch Catch
04-15-06, 04:47 PM
I disagree about Ramsey being decent enough. From talking to Redskin fans, he's horrible.
I have a friend who has had season tickets to the Skins in his family for 30-40 years, and watches every game.
He told me Ramsey is worth the shot, that he just didn't fit any system that was run there, and that he's shown enough talent on the NFL level to his eye to make a deal by the Jets worth it.
JeffWeaverFan
04-16-06, 02:07 PM
I have a friend who has had season tickets to the Skins in his family for 30-40 years, and watches every game.
He told me Ramsey is worth the shot, that he just didn't fit any system that was run there, and that he's shown enough talent on the NFL level to his eye to make a deal by the Jets worth it.
Well, that is good news then. We shall see I guess.
MassNYYfan
04-16-06, 11:34 PM
I disagree about Ramsey being decent enough. From talking to Redskin fans, he's horrible.
I expect him to do fairly well myself. :dunno:
I find the Jets draft this year to be the most interesting of any team.
If I'm the Jets I draft Mario Williams or AJ Hawk with their #1 pick
Then with their 2nd #1 pick #29, I'd take best available running back.Maybe Lendale White?
And with their high #2 pick draft their QB insurance policy with Omar Jacobs.
Then go OL with their 3rd rounder
Snatch Catch
04-18-06, 10:51 AM
Well, that is good news then. We shall see I guess.
Yeah, not that it's a given or anything, but he just said that Ramsey is by no means set in stone as a bust. There's talent there, and it's possible that under the right guidance, it can be tapped. A sixth rounder is worth the chance in his mind (he was actually upset when all they got was that pick.)
JeffWeaverFan
04-19-06, 10:26 AM
Yeah, not that it's a given or anything, but he just said that Ramsey is by no means set in stone as a bust. There's talent there, and it's possible that under the right guidance, it can be tapped. A sixth rounder is worth the chance in his mind (he was actually upset when all they got was that pick.)
Then hopefully he'll have something to prove and will work his butt off to prove it.
This is so funny!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98&search=draft%20nfl
#1PaFan
04-20-06, 05:08 AM
This is so funny!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98&search=draft%20nfl
LMFAO! :lol: :lol:
SoCal Pinstriper
04-22-06, 08:50 AM
This is so funny!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98&search=draft%20nfl Great find!:clap::roflmao:
Soriambi
04-22-06, 11:46 AM
This is so funny!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98&search=draft%20nfl
::Cringe::
JeffWeaverFan
04-27-06, 12:30 AM
Jets favor Leinart over Ferguson
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2422261&CMP=ILC-INHEAD
According to a source, the Jets are far more interested in USC quarterback Matt Leinart (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&id=9237) than they are leading people to believe. They have attempted to play it cool recently, but the organization came to a near consensus that Leinart is the top quarterback prospect after working out all three of the top prospects (Leinart plus Texas' Vince Young (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=10300&draftyear=2006) and Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&id=9296)) during a six-day span more than a week ago. <offer> </offer>
http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/ncf/2006/0225/photo/u_leinart_195.jpg
US PRESSWIRE/Ben Chen
The Jets likely will take Matt Leinart -- if he's still on the board at No. 4.
The Jets' trip to Eugene, Ore., to visit privately with QB Kellen Clemens (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&id=9824) was not a smoke screen, but it did help draw attention away from their interest in Leinart. If Leinart comes off the board in the first three picks, New York likely will take Virginia offensive tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=9817&draftyear=2006) at No. 4 and address the need for a young quarterback with Clemens in the second round (pick No. 35).
The Jets own seven of the first 117 overall picks in this draft, and general manager Mike Tannenbaum and new head coach Mike Mangini subscribe to the Parcells/Belichick "more is better" theory -- particularly with a draft class so deep in talent. With that in mind, do not expect New York to part ways with picks to move ahead of the Titans, who are rumored to be undecided about whether to pick Leinart or Young at No. 3. However, the Jets apparently will pull for Leinart to slip to them at No. 4.
dabomb2045
04-27-06, 12:35 AM
Here's what I want:
Texans take Bush
Saints take Ferguson
Titans take Young or Leinart
Jets take Williams
Williams is the guy I want, although I'd also be ecstatic with Ferguson. I dont want any of these QBs. I'd rather get a guy like Clemens in the 2nd round.
JeffWeaverFan
04-27-06, 12:40 AM
Here's what I want:
Texans take Bush
Saints take Ferguson
Titans take Young or Leinart
Jets take Williams
Williams is the guy I want, although I'd also be ecstatic with Ferguson. I dont want any of these QBs. I'd rather get a guy like Clemens in the 2nd round.
I don't think there is any chance we draft Mario Williams. Saints seem to be very high on him...
Reggie Bush will go 1st and Mario Williams will go 2. Then if Vince Young goes 3 we will draft Leinart and if Leinart goes 3, we will draft D'Brick.
The thing I'm really hoping for is to get DeAngelo Williams or Laurence Maroney with our 2nd 1st round pick. I'd also like to draft Brode Croyle to be our next QB... But, to be honest, that has nothing to do with his ability and more to do with the fact that a QB with a knee problem that went to Alabama appeals to me.
I know nothing about Clemens...
dabomb2045
04-27-06, 12:44 AM
I don't think there is any chance we draft Mario Williams. Saints seem to be very high on him...
Reggie Bush will go 1st and Mario Williams will go 2. Then if Vince Young goes 3 we will draft Leinart and if Leinart goes 3, we will draft D'Brick.
The thing I'm really hoping for is to get DeAngelo Williams or Laurence Maroney with our 2nd 1st round pick. I'd also like to draft Brode Croyle to be our next QB... But, to be honest, that has nothing to do with his ability and more to do with the fact that a QB with a knee problem that went to Alabama appeals to me.
I know nothing about Clemens...
Yeah, I know Williams falling to 4 is a long shot. I'm praying the Titans take Leinart, so we can get Ferguson.
I really have a bad feeling about us drafting a QB. I really dont think any of these guys (Leinart, Young, Cutler) are gonna be that good. I think Young can be very good, but not for awhile. I'm not high on Cutler or Leinart.
Alot of experts will tell you Clemens (Oregon QB) and Whitehurst (Clemson QB) are not very different from the Top 3 QB's....and they can be had in the 2nd round. I def think there is a chance we get DeAngelo Williams with our late 1st round pick.
JeffWeaverFan
04-27-06, 01:20 AM
I like Leinart. Young would scare the hell out of me and I don't think Cutler is going to be any good in the NFL.
What about Croyle when comparing him to Clemens and Whitehurst?
AMYanks
04-28-06, 07:31 PM
Now that Mario will go #1, I wonder if Tangini will decide to trade up to #2 and grab Bush.
NeW YoRk ReiGN
04-28-06, 08:24 PM
I don't see this as a situation in which a decision is necessary. This is one of the most obvious spots that begs for a trade-up that I can ever remember.
Snatch Catch
04-28-06, 08:51 PM
I don't see this as a situation in which a decision is necessary. This is one of the most obvious spots that begs for a trade-up that I can ever remember.
Agreed. They have to get this done. HAVE to.
Now that Mario will go #1, I wonder if Tangini will decide to trade up to #2 and grab Bush.
I believe it will happen...but it may cost their other 1st or 2nd rounder
JeffWeaverFan
04-28-06, 09:44 PM
According to the point system, it would cost us our #4, #29 and a middle 3rd rounder. We have an early 3rd rounder and are not willing to give it up (according to reports). I don't know how we do it, but this deal MUST GET DONE! This is a once in a 20 year type player here and he is ours for the taking.
Tanenbaum: Please, for the love of God, get us Reggie Bush. Please don't screw this up... I really don't want to get my hopes up because this is the Jets, but Jesus Christ, this has to get done!
Snatch Catch
04-28-06, 09:49 PM
Darren Rovell on ESPNews, after talking to Bush's marketing guy said he was told Whomever gets him is going to get a VERY motivated player, and
"...if it's New York...WATCH OUT."
EFFING EFF! GET IT DONE!
Darren Rovell on ESPNews, after talking to Bush's marketing guy said he was told Whomever gets him is going to get a VERY motivated player, and
"...if it's New York...WATCH OUT."
EFFING EFF! GET IT DONE!
I hate trading all the picks because of need (which I posted earlier), but I love Bush. Of course, at this point I wouldn't be too opposed to taking Leinart despite the recent negativity, but with Bush possibly being available it's difficult to pass up (I would have also liked Williams, but I got the feeling that that wasn't a chance at all).
I'm going to be driving to DC during the draft. If they get Bush, I'm pulling over to the next rest stop and doing a happy dance.
JeffWeaverFan
04-28-06, 11:12 PM
I hate trading all the picks because of need (which I posted earlier), but I love Bush. Of course, at this point I wouldn't be too opposed to taking Leinart despite the recent negativity, but with Bush possibly being available it's difficult to pass up (I would have also liked Williams, but I got the feeling that that wasn't a chance at all).
I'm going to be driving to DC during the draft. If they get Bush, I'm pulling over to the next rest stop and doing a happy dance.
You will be pulling over and doing your dance then, friend. We're getting Reggie Bush. The more I think about it, the more it makes too much sense for this not to happen.
#4, #29, and next years #3... Something like that. Get it done! Honestly, I hate trading away all the picks either, but this is a once in a decade type player we can draft here.
edit: And, as Snatch said, Reggie is going to have something to prove next year. That he should have been the #1 pick. Not that he wouldn't be amazing already, but we need to get him.
Yankee Bulldawg
04-29-06, 08:23 AM
this is a must get done situation for the Jets as Reggie Bush is a once in a decade special talent and to good to pass up, i hope for you Jets fans that your team gets it done. it's gonna cost em so great picks but i finally hope that for their fans sake that the Jets get it done
JeffWeaverFan
04-29-06, 10:08 AM
this is a must get done situation for the Jets as Reggie Bush is a once in a decade special talent and to good to pass up, i hope for you Jets fans that your team gets it done. it's gonna cost em so great picks but i finally hope that for their fans sake that the Jets get it done
Supposedly on Sirius radio, we are going to offer our #4, #29 and #117...
SoCal Pinstriper
04-29-06, 10:24 AM
You guys will hate Reggie in three years.
JeffWeaverFan
04-29-06, 11:51 AM
You guys will hate Reggie in three years.
Since we don't have him, probably...
Well, we got D'Brick... I can deal with that.
Boogiedown Bomber
04-29-06, 11:52 AM
Since we don't have him, probably...
Well, we got D'Brick... I can deal with that.
Funny to see you change your avatar! ;)
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
04-29-06, 12:34 PM
It's a good pick. The best teams have the best lines, this is a good step in rebuilding our o-line which is a disaster right now. It's not the glamour pick but look at the Pats, how many high profile draft picks did they have on their championship teams?
AMYanks
04-29-06, 07:41 PM
D'Brick + Mangold = Great 1st round
I wasn't the biggest D'Brick fan in the world, but he is a great tackle. Mangold, OTOH, is a pick I love. So similar to Mawae, except I think he is better man-on-man at the point of attack. We have set the foundation for our OL today, and it's definitely a good thing.
So how did D'Brick get his name, anyway? :p
JeffWeaverFan
04-29-06, 09:09 PM
I loved our first 3 picks and hated our last 2...
AMYanks
04-29-06, 09:42 PM
I loved our first 3 picks and hated our last 2...
I don't know much about Smith, but I liked the Schlegel pick. Perhaps we could have gotten him later on in the draft, but I think some of the value that was available that other people gush about was overrated. He is a Vrabel type player. Smart, instinctive, great motor, high character. His only drawbacks are his speed and athleticism, which are covered up in the 3-4 ILB system. I thought it was very good.
Overall, B+/A- day one, IMO.
JeffWeaverFan
04-29-06, 09:53 PM
I just thought we reached on our last 2 picks. Both of them sound very smart but without the athletic ability needed to be starters in the NFL. Then again, maybe they can fit in our scheme. We shall see. I will say that I trust Mangini and Tannenbaum - although I'm still a little upset that we couldn't get Reggie Bush. I guess it would have taken too much.
I thought the Jets should of taken Lendale when they had the chance for a cheap pick...
hardrain
04-30-06, 10:55 AM
I love the Jets first three picks. Strengthening the Offensive line is a must..hopefully these guys will be around for 10 or more years. Good gamble on the Oregon QB
SoCal Pinstriper
04-30-06, 11:58 AM
So how did D'Brick get his name, anyway? :pRumor has it that he was named after (a mis-spelling) of Richard Harris character in The Thorn Birds.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085101/
#1PaFan
04-30-06, 12:00 PM
Rumor has it that he was named after (a mis-spelling) of Richard Harris character in The Thorn Birds.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085101/
Another Nosmo King? :D
dabomb2045
04-30-06, 05:28 PM
I'm ecstatic we stuck to our guns and took Ferguson. Part of me was like "oooh maybe we can get Bush". But the Saints I'm sure asked for way too much, and there was no way Mangini and Tannenbaum were gonna give away everything for one player.
We rebuilt our O line...which was something we desperately needed. And IMO, getting Clemens is a great pick.
RIyankee
04-30-06, 07:02 PM
Overall, I love what the Jets did.
Brick is a bookend LT. Mangold was the best C in the draft. Getting him means Pete Kendall moves back to his natural G position. Kellen Clemens was an underrated prospect. Here's what Patriots Football Weekly said about him...
http://www.patriots.com/search/index.cfm?ac=searchdetail&pid=16126&pcid=46&special_section=draft2006
4. Kellen Clemens, Oregon – In my opinion, there is the big four at quarterback, not the big three. I wouldn’t be shocked if three years down the road, Clemens turns out to be the best quarterback to come out of this draft. He has a strong arm and really impressed scouts with his performance at the Combine. Was injured after eight games last year and that hurt his draft stock early on but he’s on the rise as of late. Could end up going as early as the second round now.
Bravo!!! :clap:
JeffWeaverFan
04-30-06, 07:24 PM
Awesome. I don't know anything about Clemens except for what I've read and I love it. Hopefully he works out.
It seems that most of our picks besides our first 3 were reaches. But, they could end up being good, I don't know. The one thing I am upset about is not drafting the guard Max Jean-Gilles... He would have been a steal with our last pick in the 3rd round.
chanman7483
04-30-06, 09:31 PM
Overall, I love what the Jets did.
Brick is a bookend LT. Mangold was the best C in the draft. Getting him means Pete Kendall moves back to his natural G position. Kellen Clemens was an underrated prospect. Here's what Patriots Football Weekly said about him...
http://www.patriots.com/search/index.cfm?ac=searchdetail&pid=16126&pcid=46&special_section=draft2006
Bravo!!! :clap:
Yeah, but what do we do until then? a combo of Pennington/Ramsay? I have 0 faith in Pennington coming back healthy. Vinny T might make a cameo at some point - that's not a good thing.
RIyankee
04-30-06, 09:47 PM
Yeah, but what do we do until then? a combo of Pennington/Ramsay? I have 0 faith in Pennington coming back healthy. Vinny T might make a cameo at some point - that's not a good thing.
You're expecting a one-year turn around? There's a new coach who's going to use the 2006 season to sift the wheat from the chaff. Similar to the 2000 Patriots, BB's first season.
Well... no happy dance. But I can live with the OLine picks, as OL killed the Jets last year... and with an either injured (Pennington) or immobile (Ramsey) QB, I can understand why they went the "safe" route.
And I'm really glad they didn't trade up to get Cutler and took Clemens later. If he doesn't pan out, at least it isn't a wasted first rounder. Not taking Leinart bothered me a bit, and I won't be suprised to see him do well in AZ (the weak arm won't hurt as much in the Card's retractable and the good weather of the NFC West)... but again, I understand the pics.
dabomb2045
04-30-06, 10:59 PM
You're expecting a one-year turn around? There's a new coach who's going to use the 2006 season to sift the wheat from the chaff. Similar to the 2000 Patriots, BB's first season.
Agreed. Us Jets fans need to be a little patient...and let Mangini and Tannenbaum clean out all the crap, and get their guys in here.
JeffWeaverFan
04-30-06, 11:46 PM
You're expecting a one-year turn around? There's a new coach who's going to use the 2006 season to sift the wheat from the chaff. Similar to the 2000 Patriots, BB's first season.
Beat me to it. And that's exactly why I loved our first 3 picks. We now got two guys that are going to anchor our OL for the next decade and our QB of the future. The following season will be a struggle but D'Brick and Mangold will get much better and should be probowl type players in year 2 (at least this is my hope). Clemens will be learning the offense and our defense should be pretty good. We will most likely have a relatively high draft pick and we can draft some more skill players. Dwayne Jarrett would be nice...
chanman7483
05-01-06, 09:48 AM
You're expecting a one-year turn around? There's a new coach who's going to use the 2006 season to sift the wheat from the chaff. Similar to the 2000 Patriots, BB's first season.
I didn't post what i posted b/c I was panicking about this yr - it was a geniune concern. I'm all for rebuilding. I'm just anticipating this coming year to be even uglier than last year was, and that's saying a lot. It's just sad to see 2 of my 3 teams(Knicks/Jets) being as bad as they are.
JeffWeaverFan
05-01-06, 09:50 AM
I didn't post what i posted b/c I was panicking about this yr - it was a geniune concern. I'm all for rebuilding. I'm just anticipating this coming year to be even uglier than last year was, and that's saying a lot. It's just sad to see 2 of my 3 teams(Knicks/Jets) being as bad as they are.
The one thing you don't have to worry about is this year being uglier than last year. NOTHING could be as ugly as last year. That was probably the worst season I've ever watched. Even worse than the 1-15 year in 1995.
chanman7483
05-01-06, 10:36 AM
The one thing you don't have to worry about is this year being uglier than last year. NOTHING could be as ugly as last year. That was probably the worst season I've ever watched. Even worse than the 1-15 year in 1995.
Who are the RBs and FBs this yr? If you say Curtis Martin, I'm going to jump out the window - And I'm on the 22nd floor.
JeffWeaverFan
05-01-06, 10:46 AM
Who are the RBs and FBs this yr? If you say Curtis Martin, I'm going to jump out the window - And I'm on the 22nd floor.
Well, we have 4 RB's right now. CMart (who won't get all that many carries), Cedric Houston, Leon Washington, and Derrick Blaylock (who I think will be cut). Our FB's are BJ Askew Jason Pociask (if he is converted into a FB). But, our OL is going to be much better than last year so our running game will be more effective. Houston will also get more carries and I hope Washington ends up being a steal out of the 4th round.
The offense is going to struggle this year, but the defense will be better. Next year, we can get some more skill players.
chanman7483
05-01-06, 10:53 AM
Anyone know if the Jets plan to keep running the west coast offense? I'm sick of seeing Curtis Martin getting drilled time and time again on 1 yard screen passes, and 3 yard pass attempts to the tight end.... UGH.
Soriambi
05-01-06, 10:56 AM
Well, we have 4 RB's right now. CMart (who won't get all that many carries),
If I had to bet, I'd say that Martin gets a good majority of the carries in 2006. I hope that they can get one more good year out of him, and that the new linemen can open some holes for him that weren't there last year. I think that part of Curtis's problem last year was that he had nowhere to go half of the time.
RIyankee
05-01-06, 11:03 AM
The Jets needed to fix the O-line ASAP. RBs are available in every draft. If the Jets have a less than good '06, they will draft at least fairly high again in 2007.
If I were a Jets fan, I would be looking forward to seeing the young players develop and watching the new system taking shape. The Jets did the right thing, getting a new coaching staff and a new management structure. Taking care of the O-line was a great start to the on-field rebuilding process. It's fun watching your team, knowing it's going in the right direction.
As a Pats fan, I went through the same thing in 1993 (5-11 finish). I was glued to every Pats game that year. I went to Foxboro for the last two home games because of the local blackouts. I went to 3 regular season home games that year. Why? Because when they hired Parcells, I knew they were heading in the right direction.
I see the same thing with the Jets.
Snatch Catch
05-01-06, 02:53 PM
Tannenbaum was on Mike & Mike this morning and three things stood out to me.
1) He basically admitted that there was an attempt, albeit not a whole hearted one, to trade up to the Lions pick at #9 and take Leinart.
2) Nothing he said about Pennington's rehab has changed my feelings that he is totally cooked.
3) He was all about guys who have performed and/or won in established programs and conferences. He really likes Brad Smith, and was pretty geeked about Clemens. Said he was an absolute leader on the field and had all the intangibles that you look for in a QB, in addition to his physical skills.
dabomb2045
05-01-06, 03:03 PM
Tannenbaum was on Mike & Mike this morning and three things stood out to me.
1) He basically admitted that there was an attempt, albeit not a whole hearted one, to trade up to the Lions pick at #9 and take Leinart.
2) Nothing he said about Pennington's rehab has changed my feelings that he is totally cooked.
3) He was all about guys who have performed and/or won in established programs and conferences. He really likes Brad Smith, and was pretty geeked about Clemens. Said he was an absolute leader on the field and had all the intangibles that you look for in a QB, in addition to his physical skills.
1) I'm glad we didnt do that. Giving up picks to get Leinart would have been a huge mistake. Especially since I believe Clemens can be as good if not a better pro.
2) Pennington is done...I've felt this way for awhile now. I think Ramsay could be serviceable now that we have a rebuilt O line. At the least, he will play for us until Clemens is ready. We will suck next year anyways, so I'm ok with it...we;ll get another high pick next year.
3) I like Brad Smith alot too. I think he could be a Randle El type player for us.
Soriambi
05-01-06, 03:04 PM
Tannenbaum was on Mike & Mike this morning and three things stood out to me.
1) He basically admitted that there was an attempt, albeit not a whole hearted one, to trade up to the Lions pick at #9 and take Leinart.
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Interesting-I was wondering if they had tried to trade up. Thanks for the report, Kev. :)
JeffWeaverFan
05-01-06, 03:46 PM
Tannenbaum is coming on Mike and the MD soon.
Soriambi
05-01-06, 03:47 PM
Tannenbaum is coming on Mike and the MD soon.
Let us know what he says, if you can. I can't listen right now. :)
JeffWeaverFan
05-01-06, 03:49 PM
It was posted on a Jets board that he's coming on in the 4PM hour... Still haven't heard him but I'll post what I hear. Kurt Warner is on now.
JeffWeaverFan
05-01-06, 04:26 PM
He's on:
We had conversations with the Saints about moving up. We felt at the end of the day that it wasn't in our best interest to do anything there. He felt they wanted to hold on to that pick and it would have taken a ton to make them trade the pick.
Not stunned that the Texans took Mario Williams. If D'Brick had gone 2 (and Bush 1) then we would have "strongly considered" taking Mario Williams.
Lots of debate all week about who we would take at 4 but Thursday night we were locked in that Ferguson was the guy if there.
We made an effort to go to 9 to get Detroit's pick. We had conversations and he had spoken to Matt Millen "at least two dozen" times during the last week or so.
Lions say we were trying to cheap them on the chart. Tannenbaum laughs and says maybe their charts are different. Millen said if they were very interested they would call the Jets back and he never did.
Happy about the 2nd round pick that we got for next year.
Seems to really like Mangold (obviously). "Smart, team leader, captain."
We are looking for good character guys. Tough guys. That kind of thing.
"If you can't win up front, you have no chance."
Clemens: "Great intangibles, this guy's tough, team captain." "Rare toughness, great leader, good mobility, our doctors have cleared him." "You learned last year, you can't have enough depth at QB" (You can say that again).
Asking about how Oregon QB's have flopped and why is Clemens different. -The mobility he has is excellent. High intelligence, good decision maker. Continues to talk about his intangibles. Not worried about Clemens' background even though Akili Smith and Joey Harrington failed coming out of Oregon.
Are we in search for the next Tom Brady? Is that why we're drafting all the good character, smart guys even though they may not have all the athletic ability? -When Chad plays we have a good chance of winning. Never seen a player work harder with his rehab after seeing him get hurt originally in 2000 when he was our 3rd stringer.
Talking about Chad... It's a competition. Chad hasn't backed down. Chad or Ramsey could start, so could Clemens.
Schlegel - "Fans will love him. Great guy. Captain as a sophmore. Boar hunter. Tough, has intangibles. He makes as many plays as Hawk and Carpenter."
Smith - "Captain from Mich. St. Playmaker. Very impressive on his visit."
Brad Smith - "4 year starter. 45 Running TD's. He's bigger than Randle-El, doesn't have the wiggle or elusiveness. He can do a lot of jobs. We like what he did with the ball in his hand. He played on a poor team against high competition"
Leon Washington - "Great junior year. Had a personal situation that we are comfortable wtih in his senior year that hurt his production. He's very elusive. "
Posciak - "Start at TE. Great point of attack blocker. "
Coleman - "return ability. compete for a backup corner position
Titus - "He'll play a little nose, some end. Gives us versatility on the DLine."
Brad Smith will start off as receiver. We like the depth at WR this year with Tim Dwight also.
Pennington will participate in mini camp but we don't know to what extent. He will throw but we don't know how much.
RIyankee
05-02-06, 01:15 PM
Taylor, this sounds like the New York Patrtiots! :D
You must be very pleased. I'd be.
dabomb2045
05-02-06, 01:17 PM
Taylor, this sounds like the New York Patrtiots! :D
You must be very pleased. I'd be.
If anyone deserves a copy of the 2001-present Patriots run....its us Jets fans ;)
RIyankee
05-02-06, 01:27 PM
If anyone deserves a copy of the 2001-present Patriots run....its us Jets fans ;)
In that case, don't get too attatched to your kicker. ;)
JeffWeaverFan
05-02-06, 02:32 PM
Taylor, this sounds like the New York Patrtiots! :D
You must be very pleased. I'd be.
I am! I hope this is the start of the turnaround.:)
Snatch Catch
05-03-06, 09:06 AM
Schlegel - "Fans will love him. Great guy. Captain as a sophmore. Boar hunter. Tough, has intangibles. He makes as many plays as Hawk and Carpenter."
Being a Bucks fan makes me love the Mangold/Schlegel picks. The boar hunting thing is crazy:
Supposedly Schelgel hunts wild boar...with a knife.
http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/sports/football/nfl/story/3202218p-11915820c.html
THE TRIO: Linebackers A.J. Hawk, Bobby Carpenter and Anthony Schlegel of Ohio State all showed up Sunday with shoulder-length hair.
Carpenter, who said he had two inches taken off a couple days ago, said it was a tribute to Pat Tillman, the former Arizona Cardinals safety who was killed in Afghanistan as an Army Ranger.
But the trio also has some unique traits. Hawk tried yoga a couple of times. Carpenter was the son of former pro running back Rob Carpenter. And Schlegel has a hunting dog named Butkus.
One activity Schlegel enjoys is boar hunting with a knife.
"It's just like pheasant hunting or deer hunting in Ohio," he said.
Schlegel said he's made about 10 hunts but none recently since he hasn't been home to Texas.
As Carpenter waited to take the podium, Schlegel was asked how well Carpenter would do hunting boars?
"He'd be fine," Schlegel said. "You have to run through bushes and stab at it, so he'd be fine."
Here's a story on him from November of 2004:
http://www.centralohio.com/ohiostate/stories/20041105/football/1543037.html
COLUMBUS -- There isn't a two-fisted tennis player or boulder-pushing Strongman who could touch Ohio State middle linebacker Anthony Schlegel in a grunt-off.
If the wind is blowing right, fans sitting at the top of Ohio Stadium can probably hear the sounds emanating from Schlegel as he unleashes his fury -- and vocal cords -- on a ballcarrier.
"One guy we played against said, `Man, you've got to stop grunting,' " Schlegel said. "I'm not cussing or anything like that. I just blurt stuff out. I showed my wife (Stephanie) and she got scared a little bit.
"You've got to play football with enthusiasm and passion. If you hit a lineman and a grunt comes out, that's going to happen."
It didn't take long for the junior transfer from the Air Force Academy to endear himself to his teammates.
They call him "Grandpa" and "Papa Schlegs" because the 23-year-old Schlegel is the oldest player on OSU's roster by six months. They also call him other things that have nothing to do with geriatrics.
"Simon (Fraser) says I'm a whack job," Schlegel said, "but, see, I don't go crazy. I'm laid back. It's just that when it's time to go, I'm ready to rock."
On some teams, that might mean breaking out the ear plugs. But a young Ohio State defense welcomes the joyful noise, knowing it would be wise to feed off Schlegel's exuberance.
"He's never quiet," defensive tackle Quinn Pitcock said. "He's always hyper or crazy. He's always out their having fun. He's the happiest guy out there playing football.
"Every little bit helps. Some guys get tired, but with him screaming and yelling it helps you pump yourself up and play better."
Senior cornerback and co-captain Dustin Fox recently implored his teammates to play with more emotion -- "even if it means faking it." That message was directed at just about everyone but Schlegel.
He doesn't have a phony bone in his 6-2, 245-pound body.
"Anthony is one of those guys who is just wild," Fox said. "He screams when he runs to the ball. He screams so loud, it's scary."
When he arrived at Ohio State in the spring of 2003, Schlegel saw no reason to suppress his colorful personality until he got to know the other Buckeyes.
He regaled them with stories about his boar-hunting forays into the jungle-like wilderness of his native Texas.
He also mentioned -- lest anyone try some rookie initiation on him -- that he set two world powerlifting records as a teenager.
And then he went out on the practice field, flexing his muscles and his lungs.
"I (grunted) when I first got here ... the guys liked it," Schlegel said. "You're going out there and playing as hard as you can, and people respond to that.
"It's fine with everybody becaue it's all about the team. I'm not, `Hey, look at me.' I'm not a 'me, me, me' type of guy. When everybody is flying around having fun, that's when football is awesome."
Schlegel spent the first four games this season sharing the middle with junior starter Mike D'Andrea. When D'Andrea suffered a season-ending knee injury, the job became Schlegel's exclusively.
Only All-America candidate A.J. Hawk has posted better numbers since Schlegel became a fixture in the lineup. He's had double-digit tackles each of the last three weeks, making a team-high seven stops behind the line of scrimmage and 2.5 sacks in that span.
Schlegel's 59 tackles rank second on the team to Hawk's Big Ten-high 101. "Grandpa" leads the team with eight tackles for loss and 3.5 sacks entering Saturday's game at Michigan State.
"I'd like to think my body can handle things," Schlegel said. "I'll throw my body around as much as possible. I'll have to have something broken to where I can't move for me to not be playing. That's why they have ice tubs."
He's living up to the acclaim that followed him here from the Mountain West Conference. Schlegel earned freshman All-America honors and was elected Air Force's first sophomore captain the following season, making 116 tackles.
But the rigid Academy system proved too constricting for a free-spirited guy who wants to someday own a ranch out West and coach high school football.
So the linebacker with a dog named "Butkus" found a new home, right in the heart of Ohio State's defense.
"If he gets to play 60 snaps rather than 35, he's the happiest guy in the world," coach Jim Tressel said. "He practices hard. He practices hurt. He studies the game hard. He's very tough on himself. He missed a couple of tackles (in last week's 21-10 win over Penn State), and you would have thought we lost the game by 30. He loves to compete."
AMYanks
05-03-06, 09:39 PM
The more I think about it, the more I loved our draft. Even if you disagree with a pick or two, or think there was a reach here and there, I think every pick is justified. For the first time since Parcells was here, I feel there is one single plan that the organization is following. I never had that feeling with Herm/Bradway.
I hope (think) this is the start of a great run for New York Jets football.
JeffWeaverFan
05-03-06, 11:33 PM
I like the draft to, but it seems like we screwed up in the 3rd round. We had been going after Gocong and he had come in to our camp twice for workouts. IMO, he was our pick in the 3rd round. We then traded down a few slots with Philly and got an extra 7th rounder for doing so and they drafted Gocong... This guy was supposedly a real good fit as a DE/LB in the 3/4 but we decided to take a risk and add an extra pick and it backfired. Overall though, I like the draft.
NYY EcKo151
05-29-06, 11:33 AM
The draft as a whole was very good for two guys doing their first ever draft...
I was pro-Leinart from the start and thought he'd be the selection...I wasn't mad picking D'Brick but I wasn't overly excited. It took a few hours to set in and then I liked the pick. The Mangold selection was very smart, losing Mawae and getting a guy who can slide in and play the next 8 years there...
The trade-down with Washington was wonderful. They made a Cowher/Belichick eske move in getting a high draft pick while moving down, in this case a 2007 2nd rounder...Then trading up a few spots to get a guy Mangini and Schottenheimer were liking from the start, Kellen Clemens. He's now fully healed from his ankle and I am estatic that he can be our potential future QB...His height is a slight concern, being 6'1. But he has good arm strength, very good accuracy and a smart passer. Sit him and let him get down the Schottenheimer system which does not require a rocket arm(see Drew Brees) and hope he'll be our starter by 07' unless Pennington can have a comeback type year, which I am hoping for since he's one of ym favorite Jets, but his injuries are a major concern and it's hard to get real confident in him.
I like the draft to, but it seems like we screwed up in the 3rd round.
I tend to agree. And it just seemed to me that Andy Reid took advantage of inexperience. Mangini/Tanny made trades and they looked pretty good...But this one kind of stung...Schlegel wasn't projected to go day 1 neither was Eric Smith...
The draft started off great, and you have to mention the 2007 2nd rounder the Jets got from Washington...But the last 2 picks kind of tailed it off to where it made Day 1 a good draft...Will comment on day 2 another time...
YanksRooter66
05-29-06, 11:35 AM
Go Jets. I have been rooting for this team my entire life and have never seen a championship. My friend, who's dad has been a fan since when they were called the titans and I watched the pittsburg game a few years ago and cringed when Doug freakin' Brien missed those kicks.
I am really ready for this.
NYY EcKo151
05-29-06, 11:38 AM
Anyone know if the Jets plan to keep running the west coast offense?
I think Schottenheimer runs a west-coast offense...Lots of quick-reads, quick/touch passes and plenty of YAC...Obviously he doesn't have an LT or Gates in this offense, but it has potential...Coles to me is our only threat...McCareins has been pretty average, Cotchery gets his chance to be our slot WR, Baker coming back from a broken ankle and Martin comes back healthy with an improved OLine. Yes, improved, how much worse can the line be when it was only better than the Texans? No 1000 yard rusher and 3 injured QB's, 2 which went on IR...It can only go up...At least we hope:D
NYY EcKo151
05-29-06, 11:41 AM
Go Jets. I have been rooting for this team my entire life and have never seen a championship. My friend, who's dad has been a fan since when they were called the titans and I watched the pittsburg game a few years ago and cringed when Doug freakin' Brien missed those kicks.
I am really ready for this.
Though the Yankees are the only winning team I have in sports(Jets,Yanks,Knicks,Isles)...I am more of a Jets fan than Yankees fan...
The Doug Brien debacle is just about impossible to forget...Herm calling a knee?:mad: Anyway...I like what Woody did taking intiative by making a HUGE RISK move by hiring a 35 year old head coach and promoting a 37 year old GM...It could be a huge bust, but we're all just about willing to take the risk since nothing has worked the last 38 years...
I'm willing to sit through two more 5-11/6-10 seasons AS LONG as improvement is shown and this team becomes a contender by 2008...
NYY EcKo151
05-31-06, 08:30 AM
Jets Re-Sign veteran CB Ray Mickens. http://newyorkjets.com/home
Like him as depth and probably our 5th CB...Always a Jet favorite and a well liked guy...
Also some news.
Jets | Pennington practices at OTAs
Wed, 31 May 2006 05:21:10 -0700
Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports New York Jets QB Chad Pennington (shoulder) took a number of snaps during 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 drills Tuesday, May 30. The team's medical and training staff were monitoring him closely.
AMYanks
06-16-06, 01:47 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/426995p-360173c.html
TREY TO THE SHELF: C Trey Teague suffered a serious ankle injury last week and could miss significant time, a source said. Mangini refused to give any details or a prognosis, saying only that Teague hurt his left leg. It means that first-round pick Nick Mangold could be rushed into a starting role....RB Curtis Martin, who had knee surgery last December, participated in most of the drills.
AMYanks
06-16-06, 01:49 PM
http://jets.scout.com/2/540210.html
Minicamp Report: Quarterback update
By: Dan Leberfeld
Date: Jun 16, 2006
Quarterback Chad Pennington’s third practice of minicamp was nondescript. Signal-caller Patrick Ramsey took the first team reps, as per the rotation system. Pennington didn’t see a lot of action.
Pennington’s best throw might have been a 30-yard tight spiral to the corner of the end zone. The pass was incomplete, but had a lot of velocity on it. Pennington’s surgical shoulder doesn’t seem to be hurting his arm strength.
As for Ramsey, considered the top contender for Pennington’s starting quarterback job, he was very inconsistent.
“I think there were some good play and bad plays for me,” said Ramsey.
Ramsey threw a number of incompletion. But in all fairness, he hasn’t been throwing to the Jets receivers for long, so they aren’t on the same page yet.
But on a few plays, he did display “happy feet” when feeling pressure. This was a criticism of him during his time with the Washington Redskins. The two best throws of practice might have been by rookie Kellen Clemens. He threw a rocket to wideout Brad Smith on a crossing route, and a perfect fade to wide receiver Laveranues Coles in the corner of the end zone.
JeffWeaverFan
06-18-06, 08:52 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/426995p-360173c.html
Too bad. From speaking to a couple freinds that are Ohio State fans, Mangold sounds great. They all said he was a beast.
RIyankee
07-10-06, 12:40 PM
John Clayton's 2006 outlook on the Jets...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2509705
1. Eric Mangini has the toughest job of this year's rookie head coaches. Everyone wants him to be the next Bill Belichick, but Jets fans must give him time to develop into that type of coach. Did everyone forget Belichick had just one winning campaign in five seasons with the Browns and was an assistant for four years before getting the New England job? Mangini takes over a Jets team that got too old after three trips to the playoffs and needs to be totally rebuilt. The quarterback position is completely uncertain. Who starts? Will it be Chad Pennington (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5047) coming off two shoulder surgeries? Will it be Patrick Ramsey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5918), the former Redskin? Will it be Kellen Clemens (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7798)? Nobody knows. Mangini is one of the bright minds in the game, but the truth is he will have to be Coach of the Year to have a good first season. The Jets are at the bottom of the league for talent, and coaching can only take a team so far.
As a Pats fan, I disagree 99% with Clayton on this. The Jets have a deep, young LB corps (Mangini will probably move Bryan Thomas to OLB, ala McGinest). They have some wide bodies to play NT: Pouha, Pope, Adams. They signed DE Kimo von Oelhoffen, who had a strong 2005 season with Pittsburgh and Dewayne Robertson can play NT or DE in the 3-4. They did a great job rebuilding their O-line in the draft, getting the best LT and best C. They have Kendall at G. As for the other draftees, they are athletes with raw skills who'll need 2-3 years of development.
In 2005...
The Jets ranked 31st against the run, but only averaged 3.9 ypc. Fact is the Jets had a league high 554 rushing attempts against. The Browns were next at 527.
Ty Law is gone, but according to KC Joyner, his adjusted ypa was only 4.4, which puts him in the middle of NFL CBs.
I also disagree with Clayton's assessment on Miami. The Dolphins are the champion of hype in the 2006 offseason. As a Pats fan, come 2007, I'll be more concerned with the Jets than the Dolphins. But for now, I'm not worrying about a thing. :D
That the Jets need to be totally rebuilt is silly. It wouldn't surprise me of they finish 8-8 this season.
JeffWeaverFan
07-10-06, 08:59 PM
John Clayton's 2006 outlook on the Jets...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2509705
As a Pats fan, I disagree 99% with Clayton on this. The Jets have a deep, young LB corps (Mangini will probably move Bryan Thomas to OLB, ala McGinest). They have some wide bodies to play NT: Pouha, Pope, Adams. They signed DE Kimo von Oelhoffen, who had a strong 2005 season with Pittsburgh and Dewayne Robertson can play NT or DE in the 3-4. They did a great job rebuilding their O-line in the draft, getting the best LT and best C. They have Kendall at G. As for the other draftees, they are athletes with raw skills who'll need 2-3 years of development.
In 2005...
The Jets ranked 31st against the run, but only averaged 3.9 ypc. Fact is the Jets had a league high 554 rushing attempts against. The Browns were next at 527.
Ty Law is gone, but according to KC Joyner, his ypa was only 4.4, which puts him in the middle of NFL CBs.
I also disagree with Clayton's assessment on Miami. The Dolphins are the champion of hype in the 2006 offseason. As a Pats fan, come 2007, I'll be more concerned with the Jets than the Dolphins. But for now, I'm not worrying about a thing. :D
That the Jets need to be totally rebuilt is silly. It wouldn't surprise me of they finish 8-8 this season.
I saw this... I agree with a lot of what you say. But, I've heard that Dewayne Robertson is a bad fit in the 3-4 (not that he's done much in the 4-3). Pouha is no good.
Other than that, I'm in full agreeance (especially about Miami). The Jets don't need to totally rebuild - we just started the rebuilding process. I think the defense will be solid and we have the makings of a very good OL... It'll just need a couple years to develop. I like everything that has happened and fully expect this to be a very good team by 2008.
dabomb2045
07-11-06, 12:55 AM
I still would love to see the Jets go 3-13 again next year....and get Brady Quinn in the draft. Then the Super Bowl would be only a few years away.
JeffWeaverFan
07-11-06, 03:53 AM
I still would love to see the Jets go 3-13 again next year....and get Brady Quinn in the draft. Then the Super Bowl would be only a few years away.
We already have our QB of the future in Kellen Clemens.
dabomb2045
07-11-06, 12:30 PM
We already have our QB of the future in Kellen Clemens.
I dont know about that. I see Quinn as a franchise QB. Clemens?? Dont know.
RIyankee
07-11-06, 12:56 PM
Jets extend Ramsey but one year...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2516050
JeffWeaverFan
07-11-06, 02:44 PM
I dont know about that. I see Quinn as a franchise QB. Clemens?? Dont know.
I'm optimistic after reading some things... Obviously he has to prove it to the coaching staff and has to show us all what he can do in the NFL. Personally, I didn't see him play enough in college to make my own opinion, but I certainly like some of the things I've heard.
JeffWeaverFan
07-11-06, 02:46 PM
Jets extend Ramsey but one year...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2516050
Well, as the article said, this means that the Jets are giving themselves a veteran for 2007 - either Chad or Ramsey... Chad has to prove everyone wrong this year. I sure hope he can.
dabomb2045
07-11-06, 05:44 PM
I'm optimistic after reading some things... Obviously he has to prove it to the coaching staff and has to show us all what he can do in the NFL. Personally, I didn't see him play enough in college to make my own opinion, but I certainly like some of the things I've heard.
It does make me optimistic reading stuff about how certain experts feel Clemens was the best QB in the draft, and we got a steal in the 2nd round. But like you, I never really saw him play at Oregon....so I really cant say anything about him until I see him with my own eyes.
I cant wait till training camp. My dad and I usually take 2 or 3 days off during August and drive out to LI and watch the Jets practices, its kind of a tradition we've done since I was like 7 years old. Im anxious to get a look at Clemens. I'm also curious to see what Chad looks like.
JeffWeaverFan
07-12-06, 01:01 PM
I cant wait till training camp. My dad and I usually take 2 or 3 days off during August and drive out to LI and watch the Jets practices, its kind of a tradition we've done since I was like 7 years old. Im anxious to get a look at Clemens. I'm also curious to see what Chad looks like.
I've never gone but am definitely going for the first time this year.
dabomb2045
07-12-06, 02:45 PM
I've never gone but am definitely going for the first time this year.
You should def go....its a fun time. The way the Jets have their fields setup....you can get real up close to the players and get a real good look at them.
RIyankee
07-13-06, 07:06 AM
It does make me optimistic reading stuff about how certain experts feel Clemens was the best QB in the draft, and we got a steal in the 2nd round.
This is the path Miami should had taken. Instead, in a vain attempt to challenge the Pats for the AFC East, they traded their #2 for a QB who's only had one winning season and is 14-27 against quality teams. Saban may turn out to be a good coach at the NFL level, but I'm not impressed by his personnel moves.
The Jets, OTOH, are being patient and smart. As experienced QBs go, Warner, Brady, and Roethlisberger won rings in their 2nd seasons. Montana in his 3rd.
TheManKnownAsMecca
07-13-06, 06:27 PM
John Clayton's 2006 outlook on the Jets...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2509705
As a Pats fan, I disagree 99% with Clayton on this. The Jets have a deep, young LB corps (Mangini will probably move Bryan Thomas to OLB, ala McGinest). They have some wide bodies to play NT: Pouha, Pope, Adams. They signed DE Kimo von Oelhoffen, who had a strong 2005 season with Pittsburgh and Dewayne Robertson can play NT or DE in the 3-4. They did a great job rebuilding their O-line in the draft, getting the best LT and best C. They have Kendall at G. As for the other draftees, they are athletes with raw skills who'll need 2-3 years of development.
In 2005...
The Jets ranked 31st against the run, but only averaged 3.9 ypc. Fact is the Jets had a league high 554 rushing attempts against. The Browns were next at 527.
Ty Law is gone, but according to KC Joyner, his ypa was only 4.4, which puts him in the middle of NFL CBs.
I also disagree with Clayton's assessment on Miami. The Dolphins are the champion of hype in the 2006 offseason. As a Pats fan, come 2007, I'll be more concerned with the Jets than the Dolphins. But for now, I'm not worrying about a thing. :D
That the Jets need to be totally rebuilt is silly. It wouldn't surprise me of they finish 8-8 this season.
I agree with a lot of aspects in your posts but also disagree with certain points. Miami certainly is being hyped up to a ridiculous level as they have a QB who is coming off a serious injury and has an awful record against winning teams. Their RB has never proved that he can carry a workload on his own. He had Cadillac in college and Ricky last year. Not to mention he didn't impress me much last season at all. Chris Chambers is a solid WR but doesn't have much other help at the position and Randy McMichael pulls a Houdini in the second half of every season where he just disappears.
The Jets however are going to be battling the Buffalo Bills (my favorite team as I live around the Buffalo area) for not only last place in the AFC East, but in the NFL. Both teams have unproven QB's. I'd obviously give the edge to the Jets in this category as Pennington can manage a game. However he will never be a great QB. McGahee is more talented than the very worn down Curtis Martin at this point but the Bills OL is nothing to write home about. In terms of production I expect the Bills running game to be more successful but not by a huge margin. In terms of WRs and TEs neither team has much to brag about. Coles is just a possession WR now and Evans is going to have to prove he can be a number 1. The Jets have the edge over the Bills on DL by a wide margin, the Jets have the best LB overall (Vilma) but as a squad I would take the Bills, DBs are about even.
What I am trying to say is that the Patriots should easily win the division with Miami finishing second. Buffalo and the Jets would be lucky to get 6 wins this year. I am a Notre Dame fan so I would love it if the Bills were awful and we were able to get Quinn.
RIyankee
07-13-06, 11:26 PM
I agree with a lot of aspects in your posts but also disagree with certain points. Miami certainly is being hyped up to a ridiculous level as they have a QB who is coming off a serious injury and has an awful record against winning teams. Their RB has never proved that he can carry a workload on his own. He had Cadillac in college and Ricky last year. Not to mention he didn't impress me much last season at all. Chris Chambers is a solid WR but doesn't have much other help at the position and Randy McMichael pulls a Houdini in the second half of every season where he just disappears.
The Jets however are going to be battling the Buffalo Bills (my favorite team as I live around the Buffalo area) for not only last place in the AFC East, but in the NFL. Both teams have unproven QB's. I'd obviously give the edge to the Jets in this category as Pennington can manage a game. However he will never be a great QB. McGahee is more talented than the very worn down Curtis Martin at this point but the Bills OL is nothing to write home about. In terms of production I expect the Bills running game to be more successful but not by a huge margin. In terms of WRs and TEs neither team has much to brag about. Coles is just a possession WR now and Evans is going to have to prove he can be a number 1. The Jets have the edge over the Bills on DL by a wide margin, the Jets have the best LB overall (Vilma) but as a squad I would take the Bills, DBs are about even.
What I am trying to say is that the Patriots should easily win the division with Miami finishing second. Buffalo and the Jets would be lucky to get 6 wins this year. I am a Notre Dame fan so I would love it if the Bills were awful and we were able to get Quinn.
The Bills "D" was awful last year:
The Bills pass defense ranked 26th in adjusted yards per pass attempt: (YPA) x Comp%.
Against the run, the Bills ranked 31st in rushing and 29th with 4.5 ypc.
That said, I'm in the minority of those who, at least, liked (not loved) their draft. To me, the biggest debate is whether or not they should have taken Bunkley over Whitner. However, I like Whitner and McCargo was underrated. I thought LSU's Kyle Williams was a great pick in the 5th. Takeo Spikes comes back too.
I just don't see Miami as a clear cut #2 in the AFC East. If both the Buffalo and the Jets defenses can return to 2004 form, Miami will be the one battling to stay out of the cellar.
AMYanks
07-23-06, 03:42 AM
All rookies have been signed except for the first three picks: Ferguson, Mangold, and Clemens. But Rich Cimini of the Daily News said a few days ago that if deals aren't in place yet, they will be very shortly. Don't worry about anyone remaining un-signed by Friday (the date that camp begins), everything will be officially announced by Wednesday at the latest.
5th round pick Jason Pociask and 7th round pick Titus Adams:
http://newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show_article?article_id=781&short_name=transactions
3rd round pick Eric Smith:
http://newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show_article?article_id=787
4th round pick Brad Smith:
http://newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show_article?article_id=788
3rd round pick Anthony Schlegel:
http://newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show_article?article_id=789
4th round pick Leon Washington:
http://newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show_article?article_id=791
I really loved our draft, including the Schlegel and Smith picks (I think those two, while some might say they weren't the most talented players available at the time, are tough, smart, talented, and hardworking, and will fit in tremendously) and I can't wait to see them on the field this year.
JeffWeaverFan
07-23-06, 05:43 PM
Our good friend Ty Law is now a Chief:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2527839
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Pro Bowl cornerback Ty Law (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3188) agreed to a five-year deal with the Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan) on Sunday.
Law spent last season with the New York Jets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyj), leading the NFL with 10 interceptions. He will rejoin coach Herman Edwards in Kansas City. Edwards left the Jets for the Chiefs in January, and has vowed to rebuild a defense that has been near the bottom of the league for five years.
Good riddance. He's overated anyways.
RIyankee
07-24-06, 03:22 PM
Our good friend Ty Law is now a Chief:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2527839
Good riddance. He's overated anyways.
It's another fluffed up one year deal, although if Law repeats his 2005 performace, KC might have the cap room to keep him beyond the first year. Law's '07 roster bonus isn't as insane as his '06 RB was with the Jets.
RIyankee
07-25-06, 01:03 PM
From the good folks at Pro Football Talk (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)...
POSTED 12:00 p.m. EDT, July 25, 2006
DETAILS ON LAW DEAL
We've obtained from a league source specific information regarding the first two years of cornerback Ty Law's contract with the Chiefs.
As we suspected, it's no bell ringer.
Law got $4 million to sign, and will be paid a $1 million base salary in 2006. (As a vested veteran, his base salary is fully guaranteed if he's on the Week One roster.)
In 2007, there's a $1 million option bonus due in March, a $3 million base salary, and a $1 million roster bonus.
This leaves a whopping $25 million over the last three years of the deal -- and it's highly unlikely that Law will ever see that money.
For now, then, it's a one-year deal with a team option for year two. And kudos to the Chiefs for pushing the bigger hit in 2007 deeper into the league year. As a result, the Chiefs can choose to pay the $1 million option bonus in March and squat on Law's rights before making a decision in August as to whether he merits the remaining $4 million that he's due to receive in 2007.
The better deal for Ty would have been to require the Chiefs to fish or cut cheese on day one of the league year, via a $4 million roster or option bonus. Then, if the Chiefs had opted not to keep him, Law would have been on the free-agent market early (at which time his agents would have demanded too much money, no one would have been interested, and he would have signed another deal like this one in late July).
Still, it's not as if Law and his agents had much leverage to force the decision day into March. We're told that they made a last-ditch effort to shop the deal in search of something better, but generated no interest.
According to the Globe's Mike Reiss, the Pats offered Ty a 2-year deal for $11mil, but apparently less guaranteed.
dabomb2045
07-25-06, 07:46 PM
It's another fluffed up one year deal, although if Law repeats his 2005 performace, KC might have the cap room to keep him beyond the first year. Law's '07 roster bonus isn't as insane as his '06 RB was with the Jets.
Im surprised Law didnt go back to the Pats....I really thought he would end up there. As a Jets fan....I wont miss him. He was a decent player for us, but def not worth the money.
AMYanks
07-26-06, 07:56 PM
D'Brick is in D'House (meh)
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/438243p-369250c.html
Jets ink D'Brickashaw
BY RICH CIMINI
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
The Brick is in the house.
Continuing their streak of signing their top picks before the start of training camp, the Jets agreed in principle tonight on a blockbuster contract with left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson, the Daily News has learned.
Ferguson, the fourth overall pick in the draft, is expected to be at Hofstra today, when the team reports to its first training camp under new coach Eric Mangini.
Terms of Ferguson’s contract weren't immediately available, but he likely received a five- or six-year deal that includes at least $17 million in guaranteed money.
AMYanks
07-26-06, 09:09 PM
Mangold signs.
http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl
Jets | Mangold agrees in principle on a contract
Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:30:38 -0700
Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports the New York Jets have agreed in principle on a contract with first-round pick C Nick Mangold, according to an NFL source. The deal is expected to be completed late Wednesday, July 26 and Mangold is expected to report to training camp on time Thursday, July 27.
Clemens the only one left, should be announced tomorrow, or late tonight.
AMYanks
07-26-06, 10:33 PM
According to JI.com, Clemens has signed.
http://www.jetsinsider.net/ji/news.php?storyid=1765
All draft picks are signed and ready for camp.
AMYanks
07-27-06, 04:35 AM
Article about training camp, and the rookies signed, I especially like this section.
http://www.nypost.com/sports/jets/dbrickashaw__2_other_picks_ok_jets_deals_jets_mark_cannizzaro.htm
As for the Jets' veterans, having already participated in the offseason practices, they come to camp today with a pretty good idea about what to expect from Mangini.
The vibe will be quite a bit different around Weeb Ewbank Hall from the last five years, when Herman Edwards was in charge.
For starters, Mangini has turned the trainer's room from country club to sterile hospital quarters, thus dissuading players from using it like a spa.
Gone is any carpeting that adorned the room, along with any comfort areas to hang out in and the music the players liked to listen to while soaking themselves.
One team insider quipped that Mangini was considering piping in some of the worst music he could think of.
Mangini also has employed several more stationary bikes to be used on the practice field when a player tells a trainer he's not feeling great. That player, instead of being allowed a loaf on the sideline and rest, is sent to the cycle to keep working out.
Those are just a couple of no-nonsense disciplinary type changes that have been made on the surface.
Mangini doesn't appear to be out to kill his players. At the moment, only eight two-a-day sessions are scheduled for the entire training camp, which breaks on Aug. 24, the day before the annual Giant preseason game.
He obviously will, however, be running a more disciplined ship than Edwards did here the last four seasons.
"It's a whole different type of feel here," veteran cornerback Ray Mickens said.
"Eric is a no-nonsense type of coach, and you can tell by how the people act around him, whether it's trainers, assistant coaches, players, everyone. He commands respect.
"It's really like a tight ship right now, the way it should be."
I've always been a fan of gang green but this season just screams .500
AMYanks
07-27-06, 10:01 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvR1ET8xjN4QrOm2H56gUm.Q2bYF?slug=ap-jets-camp&prov=ap&type=lgns
Mum's the word: Jets quiet as they prepare for camp to open
By ANDREA ADELSON, AP Sports Writer
July 27, 2006
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) -- It's not often that a rookie offensive lineman gets a chance to show off his speed on his first day at training camp.
Jets left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson did. He put on quite a show.
The No. 4 overall pick reported to camp on time Thursday, after signing his multimillion dollar contract the previous night. As he walked out of the cafeteria following lunch, Ferguson showed his Justin Gatlin-like speed when approached for comment.
He ran away from reporters -- and fans shouting, 'D'Brick!' as they begged for autographs. Laughing all the way, Ferguson crossed a busy intersection and kept running until he was out of sight. One teammate watched with a puzzled look on his face.
Yes, the Eric Mangini era has begun. The new coach is the anti-Herman Edwards, clamping down on players, their activities and limiting access to them. Though players reported Thursday, Mangini was unavailable, preferring to talk when practice opens Friday. It was the first time in recent memory the coach was unavailable the day players showed up for camp.
Mangini is a taskmaster and disciplinarian, and modeling his regime after Patriots coach Bill Belichick. He quizzes players in the hallway on formations and schemes. He wants them all to be accountable not just for their own play, but for what everyone else is doing.
"He's a very strict coach, it's another whole vibe you get," safety Erik Coleman said. "He's a disciplinarian, he expects his players to know everything about the team. I think that's a positive thing. It's pretty intense, everyone's serious about what's going to happen. Focus is the main thing you will see out of everyone."
Players seem to be fine with the change of pace, but it is early. Taking orders from a 35-year-old coach could become more difficult if they have another losing season.
"Eric is being himself," veteran cornerback Ray Mickens said. "He's a very detail-oriented coach, he definitely studies a lot. He pays attention to the little things. That's what he wants out of us as players. You have to be a reflection of your head coach, and that's what he wants us to become."
There will be many challenges for the first-year head coach. First is the situation at quarterback, with Chad Pennington coming off a second rotator cuff operation. Pennington participated in minicamp, but is no shoo-in to start.
Mangini has said the job is wide open between Pennington, Patrick Ramsey and rookie Kellen Clemens. The Jets also have a young coordinator in Brian Schottenheimer and must find a way to increase their scoring, a problem over the last three seasons.
The Jets also are putting in a new defensive scheme, the 3-4. Though Mickens has experience playing in it, many players don't, including Pro Bowl linebacker Jonathan Vilma and former first-round pick Dewayne Robertson.
There was good news Thursday when the Jets signed first-round pick Nick Mangold to a five-year, $7.47 million deal with $4.8 million guaranteed, and second-round pick Kellen Clemens. But there was also a bit of bad news.
Running back Curtis Martin was placed on the physically unable to perform list with a lingering right knee injury, along with receiver Justin McCareins (leg) and center Trey Teague (center). It is unclear how many practices the 33-year-old Martin will miss.
Maybe they can put Ferguson in the backfield.
AMYanks
07-27-06, 10:05 PM
http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl
Jets | Camp practices to be longer
Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:41:27 -0700
Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini will hold practices that are over two hours in length during training camp which is longer than practices with former head coach Herman Edwards (Kansas City Chiefs). Mangini plans to emphasis agility as a major part of training camp this season and has planned seven two-a-days for the team during training camp.
AMYanks
07-28-06, 05:15 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/jets/embarrassing_display_mars_1st_day_jets_mark_cannizzaro.htm
I love it. No beat writer loved Herm more than fat boy Cannizzaro. What a whiny bitch he is. I hope Mangini continues to deny him and the rest of the media access to the team.
RIyankee
07-28-06, 10:43 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/jets/embarrassing_display_mars_1st_day_jets_mark_cannizzaro.htm
I love it. No beat writer loved Herm more than fat boy Cannizzaro. What a whiny bitch he is. I hope Mangini continues to deny him and the rest of the media access to the team.
I see what you mean. Cannizaro's a tool...
If a group of six reporters was that intimidating for Ferguson, how is this guy going to respond when he lines up across from Jason Taylor or Dwight Freeney for the first time?
Some have made the analogy of the Giants being the varsity and the Jets, always the second-class citizens in this town, the jayvee. Yesterday, the Jets looked smaller than the jayvee. They looked pee-wee league.
What a crybaby!
The Pats have Ron Borges from the Globe (http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=655&Category=5), and the Jets have Cannizaro.
AMYanks
07-29-06, 03:12 AM
http://blogs.nydailynews.com/jets/
Finally, a real practice to cover. Let’s talk football. My impressions on the morning practice, the first under new coach Eric Mangini:
Chad Pennington really struggled, throwing two interceptions. One was a bad throw, the other a bad throw and a bad read. Pennington received most of the first-team reps, but there will be rotation in camp. My opinion is that he has the fourth-best arm in camp, but arm strength isn’t everything. I still think he’ll win the starting job.
The practice started with a spirited, one-on-one tackling drill - with real contact, a foreign concept for the holdovers from the Herm Edwards regime.
Practice lasted nearly 2½ hours. Herm rarely hit the two-hour mark.
Goat of the day: WR Justin McCareins was placed on the physically-unable-to-perform list because, Coach Mangini informed us, he failed the conditiong test on Thursday. How does a wide receiver, a guy who makes his living by running, fail a conditioning test? Welcome to the doghouse, Justin.
This is how much the new regime is cracking down on the media: One scribe was chided by a staff member for drinking coffee on the sideline. The artificial surface is too “expensive” to risk a spill, the scribe was told. Puh-leeze.
In five years, I can't remember Edwards running a single tackling drill, and Mangini does it in his first practice as Jets HC. I'm so happy Herm is gone.
AMYanks
07-29-06, 03:17 AM
This was a report by someone at a Jets message board:
http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=223781&postcount=1
Camp started at 8:45, and finished at 11:10. That's almost 2 and a half hours. The typical Herm practice was about 1:30-1:45 on average, closer to 1:45.
I spent most of my time with a gentleman seated next to me. Very good knowledge of the Jets, came all the way from PA to see this practice. Hat's off to him. He's a member at Jetsaddicts. Very respectful
I spent a lot of time just getting a feel for the new things going on. It was pretty interesting. One of the greatest moments in the practice was when the players were actually allowed to HIT each other. IMAGINE THAT!!! The offense and defense lined up across each other, about 20 yards apart, and they had 1 on 1s where the defense had to tackle the offensive ballcarrier. And boy did we get some hits. Victor Hobson and Trevor Johnson had some nice plays during that drill. On offense, Justin Miller (as a KR) blew by the defense every time. Cedric Houston showed some guts staying on his feet despite tacklers around him. Same goes for Brad Smith. It was a pleasure to watch that drill, and probably set a tone for the practice.
Also another Mangini thing that I saw for the first time was the 2nd team offense had to run a lap around BOTH fields after a bad series. Rather than the Herm, "Go get'em next time, MEN!!" mantra, Bollinger led his squad of 11 around the fields
Random note: Why are the coaches wearing black shirts in the middle of summer heat? I learned in 3rd grade that white repels the heat while the black attracts it, or something like that.
Moving on...
THE STORY WHICH YOU WILL SEE EVERYWHERE...
Chad Pennington had one of the most discouraging practices I've ever seen. He repeatedly underthrew his receivers, had an obviously disgraceful arm...It was really sad to watch his demise. He threw 2 INTS on 11-11s. One which Vilme returned for a TD on a short pass to the sideline, and another INT as well, i forgot to whom though. He threw one long TD to Cotchery down the sideline. Great move by Cotchery. He had a great day.
Now to what you all want to hear. Kellen Clemens. He was the most impressive QB of the four today. The kid really has an arm, he made some impressive throws. I really don't know how else to put it. He was able to squeeze balls through tight spots, and he also led his receivers well. I'm really looking forward to seeing him more this summer. He was definitely the best of the bunch.
Patrick Ramsey. This kid has an arm. He really really does. He has a decent touch on them too, but can get wild at times. He had Coles deep for a sure TD wayyy down field, but overthrew him by almost 5 yards. I can remember another instant where he overthrew as well. Kind of fits the description we have of him. I would classify his day as pretty good. The guy defending Coles on that play was Andre Maddox. Not cool
Brooks Bollinger. I didn't pay too much attention to him while he was behind center. He's not very significant to the Jets QB situation at this point, so I took that time to focus on other areas.
Other players...
D'brickashaw- It's difficult to follow the lineman during 11-11s because the defense is constantly changing their ends, and a lot is happening at once. I caught a glimpse of him a few times and the person I was seated next to was focusing on him as well, and he did open some eyes on day one. It's hard to take anything out of one day, and we'll learn more from preseason games as he goes up against the #1 RE on the Offensive line consistantly. Same goes for Mangold He held his ground vs. Robertson. One thing I need to do next time I head out to camp this week is focus on Mangold vs. Robertson.
Tim Dwight- nice player. He can do a lot of things. He has good instincts on the field, and did make some plays in the passing game. Good addition
Derrick Blaylock- I liked him last year, and I like him this year. He looks to be 100% after his season-ending injury last year. He's very very quick, shifty. You guys know enough about him.
Cotchery- I am definitely a Cotchery fan. He's really very talented, and could do everything that a receiver should do. He can catch the pass over the middle/slands and stuff. He's tall enough to succeed over the middle. He also has the speed to burn you deep, as evidenced by his 70 yard TD reception. He's a keeper.
Justin McCairens- Now you're going to say, "Wasn't he put on the PUP list?" Well yes he was. He was practicing with one of the ballboys on the other field. He looks very gimpy. He wasn't going fast at all, couldn't go into an extra gear to catch a ball in front of him. He has some work to do.
Bryan Thomas- as predicted, he was spotted standing up as an outside LB in the 3-4 defense. He got stood up a couple of times, but he looks like he has a decent physique for that position. One thing we saw from Camp Mangini was the different defense styles. It was difficult to keep track of as a spectator, so imagine looking at it if you're on offense.
The Tight Ends, Doug Jolley, Dreesen, and Chris Baker were all very good in the passing game. Very good. They got themselves open downfield, and had the size to fight off defenders on passes over the middle. Those three are a very good group.
Andre Dyson looks to be a solid corner, as you all know. In general, all of the CBs got their hands on a lot of balls defending the pass. A lot of passes got broken up, which is ab absolute positive.
Special Teams are going to be a strength of this team. Nugent and Graham didn't kick today to my knowledge, but they had coverage drills in the middle of practice, and with the amount of young guys on this team who are willing to work, it was predictable to see the effort shown on special teams, and that's what it's all about.
AMYanks
08-02-06, 02:54 AM
Chad will start.
http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1154498765267140.xml&coll=1
Jets: To go with Pennington as starter
Organization impressed with his progress, sharpness in camp
Wednesday, August 02, 2006
BY DAVE HUTCHINSON
Star-Ledger Staff
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. -- Chad Pennington has won the Jets' starting quarterback job, according to a team official with knowledge of the team's plans.
The official, who requested anonymity because coach Eric Mangini isn't ready to make a formal announcement, said the competition at quarterback is over.
Pennington, the official said, has surprised the organization with his arm strength and accuracy, easily outdistancing himself from Patrick Ramsey.
"We're surprised at the progress he's made," the official said. "No one expected him to be this far along this early."
Some bad news I heard from people who went to camp, NT Sione Pouha, who dropped about 30 pounds of fat this off-season and was dominating so far in training camp, hurt his knee the other day. Some places are saying he'll miss roughly a week, but I heard from two other places that he might have a torn ACL. Let's hope it's the former, which I'm thinking it is. He is in tremendous shape, and is finally getting the attention from the coaching staff that he needs (that Herm's staff didn't give him), and it is showing as he has been having one of the best camps by far.
AMYanks
08-09-06, 03:04 AM
Looks like all those rumors of Curtis being done may be legit.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets08099,0,6316932.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
Curtis' knee in bad shape
12-year veteran has 'virtually no cartilage' and walking with limp
BY KEN BERGER
Newsday Staff Writer
August 9, 2006
Curtis Martin has a "bone-on-bone" condition in his surgically repaired right knee, a setback that has the Jets' coaching staff privately wondering if the future Hall of Famer will be able to suit up for the start of his 12th season.
"The guy is bone-on-bone on the knee and can't play," a person with knowledge of Martin's injury said yesterday, speaking on condition of anonymity. "No one has said he's not going to play, but I don't know how much more they're going to get out of the guy."
Jets get Suggs
can he ever get healthy?
RIyankee
08-14-06, 03:51 PM
Jets get Suggs
can he ever get healthy?
Jets trade Strait for Suggs. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2549358)
AMYanks
08-14-06, 05:28 PM
Even if Suggs can't stay healthy, the trade is a wash. Strait was playing poorly at CB, and was switched to S, where we already had good depth. Suggs has much more upside than Strait. Strait's best is a solid nickelback, good depth at safety. Suggs's upside is as a young, starting caliber RB, which is something we need. Suggs could give us our first playmaker in the rebuilding process... provided of course, he can stay healthy.
AMYanks
08-15-06, 11:51 AM
Per WFAN and ESPN Radio:
Suggs failed physical, trade is off.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9602648
CallOfTheCrow
08-20-06, 12:21 AM
Who's going to be running the ball for Gang Green then?
AMYanks
08-20-06, 04:01 PM
Kevan Barlow traded to the Jets.
http://49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=2183
JeffWeaverFan
08-29-06, 11:06 AM
Chad finally named the starter.
http://newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show_article?short_name=news&article_id=865
Pennington Named Starter for Regular Season Opener
<!-- [S] sponsor logo --><!-- [E] sponsor logo -->New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini announced on Tuesday that Chad Pennington will be the team’s opening day starter against the Tennessee Titans on September 10. Mangini also announced that running back Curtis Martin, who has been rehabbing a knee injury, will not be ready for the start of the regular season.
“His presence, his ability to move the team, his leadership - all those things that I’ve been looking for - he’s done an outstanding job with and its clear to me that he should be the starter,” said Mangini.
RIyankee
08-29-06, 12:23 PM
Curtis Martin PUP'ed. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2564968)
AMYanks
08-31-06, 07:07 PM
Jets trade Bollinger and Jolley.
Jets | Bollinger traded
Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:19:36 -0700
Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports the New York Jets have traded QB Brooks Bollinger to the Minnesota Vikings in exchange for DL C.J. Mosley. The deal will be finalized once both players pass their physicals.
Jets | Team trades Jolley to Tampa Bay
Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:30:20 -0700
The New York Jets announced they have traded TE Doug Jolley to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for an undisclosed draft pick.
Some other moves:
Jets | Team acquires S. Ryan
Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:31:21 -0700
The New York Jets announced they have acquired Dallas Cowboys TE Sean Ryan for an undisclosed draft pick.
Jets | Team claims S. Thomas
Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:33:27 -0700
The New York Jets announced they have claimed free agent WR Sloan Thomas (Titans) off waivers.
I really like the Bollinger trade. We have a huge gap at NT, and trading our 4th string QB for Mosley (who can play 3-4 DE and NT) AND a draft pick is awesome.
JeffWeaverFan
08-31-06, 09:27 PM
Don't know much about Mosley but I actually liked Bollinger a lot better than Ramsey.
JeffWeaverFan
09-01-06, 11:02 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2568851
With the clock ticking toward a Friday 4 p.m. ET deadline for striking a deal, league sources confirmed for ESPN.com that New England Patriots (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe) wide receiver Deion Branch (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5951) has reached agreement with the New York Jets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyj) and an unnamed NFC team on a long-term contract that meets his demands. The NFC team is believed to be the Seattle Seahawks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sea).
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But neither team, the sources acknowledged, has been able to come to an agreement with the Patriots on compensation for the four-year veteran. And without the second half of the deal in place, the deadline could pass without a trade, and again force Branch to decide whether to extend his camp-long holdout.
A deal with the Jets would reunite Branch with first-year head coach Eric Mangini, who previously was the defensive coordinator in New England.
That would be quite the pickup! But what are the chances the Patriots deal him to us?
NYY EcKo151
09-01-06, 11:21 AM
Profootballtalk.com reports that two teams have made Deion Branch a six-year, $36 million contract offer.
One of the teams is reportedly the New York Jets. The Patriots would receive a second-round pick and a "pretty good" player in return. According to PFTalk, the deal has hit a snag because it was supposed to be finished Friday. Stay tuned.
Source: Profootballtalk.com
AMYanks
09-02-06, 02:20 PM
Jets | Team could move Coles
Sat, 2 Sep 2006 06:41:12 -0700
John Clayton, of ESPN, reports the New York Jets could possibly trade WR Laveranues Coles in an effort to upgrade their wide-receiver position. Clayton expects the Jets to be a very busy team this weekend.
"Upgrade" the WR position? Can't imagine doing a deal that would involve us trading Coles AND upgrading the position. Coles-for-Branch straight up does not accomplish that.
JeffWeaverFan
09-02-06, 04:08 PM
"Upgrade" the WR position? Can't imagine doing a deal that would involve us trading Coles AND upgrading the position. Coles-for-Branch straight up does not accomplish that.
I'm with you. I think Coles will have a really good season this year too.
RIyankee
09-06-06, 01:45 PM
Dewayne Robertson odd man out in new 3-4? (http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spjchalk064879172sep06,0,6572127.column?coll=ny-sports-print)
AMYanks
09-10-06, 04:21 PM
Chad looked great today. Really a great performance all around, except for Nugent.
Also, I was looking at a Chiefs board, and all you see are the same complaints we had the last 5 years about Herm. Too conservative, bad game and clock management, etc. Such a breath of fresh air to have Mangini, and Schottenheimer (who called a great game except for a little conservative drought in the beginning of the 4th quarter.)
Soriambi
09-10-06, 04:41 PM
Good game today. Chad was fantastic save the fumble, and Coles was a monster. The defense played very well. Nugent almost single-handedly cost them the game, but lucky for him (and for us) that we pulled it off. I was very pleased with what I saw coaching-wise. We didn't use all of our timeouts in the first three minutes and we didn't take fourteen delay of game and 12 men on the field penalties. I thought that the game was well called. The running game could be a bit better and, like I said, the kicking game certainly could be, but I'm encouraged by what I saw today. The game wasn't nearly as close as the score indicated.
JeffWeaverFan
09-10-06, 05:37 PM
I'll write up a full review later but I was happy as hell with this game. Chad looked awesome. Our defense played very well... The 2 problems were the running game (which needs to improve) and Nugent - who will improve. I'm just really happy to jump out of the game 1-0. And I LOVE how Chad played. He was vintage Chad and if he can stay healthy, I really like our chances to make some noise this year.
The Jets looked terrific but Nuge really stuck out with an underwhelming performance
YanksForLife
09-10-06, 10:43 PM
Does anybody know what happened to Dyson? Hopefully it is nothing serious.
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
09-11-06, 09:54 AM
One thing I got out of yesterday was that this team is on its way and it's due in large part to the new regime. If we had Herm and Hackett back, there's no way the Jets get in the end zone after the Tits tied it. Instead, the old Jets would have gone for the FG and would have lost in either regulation or OT.
JeffWeaverFan
09-11-06, 11:26 AM
Herm's debut with the Chiefs went predictably horrible... Thank God we got rid of this guy.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/15488713.htm
Let the record show that Chiefs fans booed coach Herm Edwards on Kansas City’s second offensive possession of the 2006 season.
On third and 5 at the Cincinnati 11, Edwards’ offensive unit slammed running back Larry Johnson into the heart of the Bengals’ defense for the fifth straight time. Bengals middle linebacker Brian Simmons stoned Johnson at the line of scrimmage, forcing the Chiefs to settle for a field goal.
A massive flock of boo birds took flight inside Arrowhead Stadium, spelling out just how short Edwards’ honeymoon period will be in Kansas City.
Edwards didn’t even get to unpack his bags.
The conservative, play-for-three-points reputation he built in New York has Chiefs fans ready to pounce. The punchless offensive attack that contributed to the Chiefs’ disappointing 23-10 loss to the Bengals will certainly have Kansas City football fans openly questioning Edwards’ competence.
We haven’t seen a debut this bad since the maker of the Titanic shouted, “full steam ahead.”
(...)
That’s really bad coaching. And it reflects poorly on Edwards. He’s known as a bad game manager, a poor clock manager. He needed to call a timeout in that situation. Edwards needs to create an environment in which his veteran QB feels comfortable enough to call a timeout when a play call that bad gets signaled into his helmet.
RIyankee
09-11-06, 03:24 PM
:D
Despite some smack talking on the Pats board, just to show how nice a guy I am, instead of telling you all that the Jets will have no chance against NE this weekend, I offer this olive branch, which will put a smile on the faces of Jets fans. They'll need them by Sunday night...oops! Sorry! :D
From the good folks at Pro Football Talk.com (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)...
POSTED 4:03 p.m. EDT, September 11, 2006
KING CARL GETTING CROWNED IN LEAGUE CIRCLES
In response to reports that Chiefs G.M. Carl Peterson plans to demand that the league office admit that the officials erred when not flagging Bengals defensive end Robert Geathers for an illegal hit to Chiefs quarterback Trent Green, a league source connected with neither team says that Peterson would be wise to pipe down.
"Peterson must not have looked at the replay of the hit on Green," the source said. "There was no helmet to helmet hit. His concussion was caused by his head hitting the ground. It was a clean hit."
The source went on to offer some general insights as to the opinions of Peterson within NFL circles. "There are many people in the league who can't stand King Carl," the source said. "He is a big blow hard and [a] baby. He cries all the time and most of the time it is completely off base. . . . One of the things people in the league can't stand is he makes everything public just to see his name in the paper instead of doing the right thing and going to the league privately. In short, the man is full of himself and it doesn't help his team."
Ouch.
There's also criticism of the new Chiefs coaching staff, which figures only to intensify in the wake of inconsistent excuses (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/15488713.htm) offered up for a misguided run call on a key third-and-five play when the Chiefs were in the Bengals' red zone on the second possession of the game. Tony Gonzalez says that first-time offensive coordinator Mike Solari thought that only two yards were needed; another player said that Solari thought it was second down.
One of the realities of the proliferation of the Madden game is that casual fans will have less and less tolerance of coaches who can't master simple aspects of the game like knowing the down and the distance. The fact that Chiefs chief Herm Edwards needed in New York an assistant for the sole purposes of helping with clock management makes the overall perception even worse, since most 10-year-olds have developed via Xbox and/or PS2 an innate sense of when to call a time out, and when to let the play clock run down to :01.
It won't get any easier for Edwards, at least for the next three weeks. Per ESPN.com, Green is expected to miss a minimum of two games (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2583312) due to the concussion that he suffered on Sunday. (The Chiefs have a bye in Week Three.) However, both the CAT scan and MRI were negative.
That's about the only positive to come out of the Chiefs' season debut.
BillBuckner
09-11-06, 05:47 PM
I know it's only one game, but I think I'm in love with Brian Schottenheimer. Where did all of the Chad bashers go? I hope they find a running game though.
:D
Despite some smack talking on the Pats board, just to show how nice a guy I am, instead of telling you all that the Jets will have no chance against NE this weekend, I offer this olive branch, which will put a smile on the faces of Jets fans. They'll need them by Sunday night...oops! Sorry! :D
From the good folks at Pro Football Talk.com (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)...
The Jets are a rebuilding team, the pressure will be on the "Dynasty" Patriots not to get their asses handed to them.
Seriously though, McGinest, Branch, Law, Vinatieri, does anybody actually WANT to be a Patriot?
RIyankee
09-11-06, 11:40 PM
The Jets are a rebuilding team, the pressure will be on the "Dynasty" Patriots not to get their asses handed to them.
Seriously though, McGinest, Branch, Law, Vinatieri, does anybody actually WANT to be a Patriot?
Seriously though, ask Troy Brown, Stephen Neal, Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Roosevelt Colvin, Tom Brady, Richard Seymour, Kevin Faulk, Matt Light, Corey Dillon, Junior Seau, and Rodney Harrison this same question. All these players arrived as FAs or re-upped with the team rather than test the market.
Paying players more than their value is how you destroy a dynasty rather than maintain it.
JeffWeaverFan
09-12-06, 09:52 AM
I know it's only one game, but I think I'm in love with Brian Schottenheimer. Where did all of the Chad bashers go? I hope they find a running game though.
Let me see more of Kevan Barlow and much less of Derrick Blaylock... I'd also like to see Cedric Houston get a bunch of carries - I like him a lot more than Blaylock.
RIyankee
09-13-06, 03:48 PM
Jets injury report:
C Trey Teague (ankle) -- doubtful
CB David Barrett (hip) -- questionable
WR Tim Dwight (thigh) -- questionable
C/G Pete Kendall (thigh) -- questionable
LB Matt Chatham (foot) -- probable
LB Trevor Johnson (neck) -- probable
S Kerry Rhodes (ankle) -- probable
S Derrick Strait (chest) -- probable
I may become a Jet fan...
As I see it:
Local team that will be on TV
Team has a future
They aren't so good as to be band wagon jumping...
AMYanks
09-13-06, 08:32 PM
I may become a Jet fan...
As I see it:
Local team that will be on TV
Team has a future
They aren't so good as to be band wagon jumping...
Welcome aboard! :lol:
AMYanks
09-13-06, 08:34 PM
Let me see more of Kevan Barlow and much less of Derrick Blaylock... I'd also like to see Cedric Houston get a bunch of carries - I like him a lot more than Blaylock.
Totally agree. Barlow looked really impressive in the limited time he was in there, showing a nice combination of qualities like power, speed, vision, elusiveness, etc. But to be fair to Blaylock, the run blocking at times was awful. I don't think he has the ability of Barlow, but I can't put all the blame on Blaylock or any of the RBs for the poor performance on Sunday.
BillBuckner
09-15-06, 08:49 AM
I may become a Jet fan...
As I see it:
Local team that will be on TV
Team has a future
They aren't so good as to be band wagon jumping...
Why not man. If they suit you better, go for it.
RIyankee
09-15-06, 10:03 AM
When I was little, my parents gave me a Joe Namath football helmet. :D
It was the same colors as the original (and current) Jets helmet, but w/o the Jets logo.
When I was little, my parents gave me a Joe Namath football helmet. :D
It was the same colors as the original (and current) Jets helmet, but w/o the Jets logo.
So when did you hop on the NE bandwagon? :D
RIyankee
09-15-06, 01:20 PM
So when did you hop on the NE bandwagon? :D
1976 :D
BTW, would you believe I have a large portrait of Dan Marino hung up in the TV room of my basement?
It was my late step dad's. He was a Phins fan who died on my b-day in 2001 just before his 91st. My mom gave me the poster. It's autographed and NFL certified. I post a pic later. It looks pretty cool.
RedSoxHater
09-17-06, 06:55 AM
GO JETS!
My family hates the Jets. They're all from Buffalo and I'm only almost 16 so I'm stuck in crime infested Buffalo too. Don't worry NYC, I'll be back!
TheoShmeo
09-17-06, 08:15 AM
Seriously though, ask Troy Brown, Stephen Neal, Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Roosevelt Colvin, Tom Brady, Richard Seymour, Kevin Faulk, Matt Light, Corey Dillon, Junior Seau, and Rodney Harrison this same question. All these players arrived as FAs or re-upped with the team rather than test the market.
Paying players more than their value is how you destroy a dynasty rather than maintain it.
Seriously though, awesome post.
Seriously though, ask Troy Brown, Stephen Neal, Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Roosevelt Colvin, Tom Brady, Richard Seymour, Kevin Faulk, Matt Light, Corey Dillon, Junior Seau, and Rodney Harrison this same question. All these players arrived as FAs or re-upped with the team rather than test the market.
Paying players more than their value is how you destroy a dynasty rather than maintain it.
you're absolutely right, the patriots have a terrific core, as a casual fan it just seems like they've had quite a few high-profile defections
chanman7483
09-17-06, 05:51 PM
Chad is going to have to carry this team on his back .... running game(all aspects of it) is nonexistant... and so frustrating to watch....
Chad is going to have to carry this team on his back .... running game(all aspects of it) is nonexistant... and so frustrating to watch....
ugh, seriously
Barlow is below average and blaylock has shown nothing
dabomb2045
09-17-06, 06:40 PM
Conservative playcalling on both sides of the ball cost the Jets. They sat back on defense and allowed Brady tons of time in the 1st half. When you do that....he will pick you apart.
2nd half?? They blitzed alot more and sent at least 4 or 5 guys every play. What happened?? They got to Brady alot and really disrupted the Pats offense.
Offensive playcalling in the 1st half was atrocious. Why run the ball so much?? It wasnt working. A O line without Kendall, with 3 rookies against a great Pats D line (with 2 mediocre RBs for the Jets) is a horrible matchup. You have to let Chad throw the ball more, especially once it was obvious the running game wasnt working. Pennington wasnt allowed to air it out until it was 24-0. And that 4th and 1 call in our own territory was HORRIBLE.
AMYanks
09-17-06, 07:15 PM
We got off to a bad start, but the team played great when the pressure was put on Brady, and when we put the ball in Chad's hands. I'm proud of the way they rebounded and almost came back. Atleast we already know what we'll need for next season; a RB, and to get stronger in the trenches (RG/RT/DE/NT).
Oh yeah... and atleast we're better than Miami. :2thumbs:
RIyankee
09-17-06, 07:23 PM
Oh yeah... and atleast we're better than Miami. :2thumbs:
I love to say I told you so. All the media hype about the Dolphins, just went "poof". :D
BTW, nice comeback by Gang Green. The Jets need RBs, but they need to know if Chad will hold up for a full season, as he got sacked 4 times.
TheoShmeo
09-17-06, 07:34 PM
I love to say I told you so. All the media hype about the Dolphins, just went "poof". :D
BTW, nice comeback by Gang Green. The Jets need RBs, but they need to know if Chad will hold up for a full season, as he got sacked 4 times.
I agree that the Jets are better than Miami. I am not a believer in Culpepper and was ecstatic -- as a Pats fan -- when the Dolphins got him. I think he's much more of a chucker than a QB and the INTs at the end of the Steelers game were classic Dante in my view.
PS: The word chucker perhaps carries a racist connotation and for the avoidance of any doubt, that's not what I meant. He's just a chucker in my book.
JeffWeaverFan
09-17-06, 08:36 PM
I had to work during the Jets game today, so I bought myself a VCR last night to tape the game. Unfortunately, I put the VCR in the wrong f*cking mode so it only recorded the first 2 hours of the game... And with that, it was the first time I've missed a Jets game in something like 8 years... From what I hear, it sounds like we did well at the end of the game and there were promising signs - like Chad and our WR's. I still have faith in this team and I think they are going to be much better than people think. We should beat a pretty good Buffalo team next week.
chanman7483
09-18-06, 12:13 AM
After the baseball season, all hope is gone, and I officially go on suicide watch ... between the Knicks and Jets, this could be a long winter.................who else in here will be suffering w/ me, in the same way? We should start a support group.
chanman7483
09-18-06, 12:16 AM
I agree that the Jets are better than Miami. I am not a believer in Culpepper and was ecstatic -- as a Pats fan -- when the Dolphins got him. I think he's much more of a chucker than a QB and the INTs at the end of the Steelers game were classic Dante in my view.
PS: The word chucker perhaps carries a racist connotation and for the avoidance of any doubt, that's not what I meant. He's just a chucker in my book.
Did you see Culpepper today? A play after he got absolutely leveled, he felt pressure coming and just flung the ball away, without even stepping into it... it was like a hot potatoe. Then there was that play when he went back to throw and the ball squirted from his hand. He could be, in some ways, the worst QB in the league.
This Jets fan can't wait till we see Culpepper.
JeffWeaverFan
09-18-06, 12:34 AM
Just looked at the Jet schedule again and I see this being a 9-7 team at worst. 10-6 (and the playoffs), is a reasonable goal IMO. 11-5 is an unreasonable goal but still one to have. Of course, this all relies on Chad saying healthy.
AMYanks
09-18-06, 12:58 AM
Just looked at the Jet schedule again and I see this being a 9-7 team at worst. 10-6 (and the playoffs), is a reasonable goal IMO. 11-5 is an unreasonable goal but still one to have. Of course, this all relies on Chad saying healthy.
I thought this was a 6-10/7-9 team, and that was with the belief that Chad was going to be average at best (probably re-injured), and Cotchery would be an "OK" receiver. It looks like Chad is back to being a good-very good QB (cross fingers for health), and Cotchery has emerged as a very good #2 WR. If that continues, AND we get SOME halfway decent running game (both better RB play and better run blocking), I could realistically see us win 9-10 games.
Really, it's all about the QB. A good QB can turn a 4-5 win team into a 9-10 win team. For Chad, it's just about staying healthy. We heard all off-season about how he added muscle, and his entire body is stronger than ever. Of course, that's all moot if he can't keep the surgically repaired shoulder healthy. I think the good pass-protection we're getting will definitely help.
Chad staying healthy + better run blocking = AFC Wild Card Possibility
If we do make the playoffs, I definitely wouldn't expect a whole lot. It's only year one of the Mangini era, we saw today in the first half that we're not quite ready to compete with the elite teams. Luckily, we play a lot of bad teams this year (Green Bay, Detroit, Houston, Oakland... Miami :D, etc.) We could even be 5-5 heading into the last 6 games, and we'd be okay. Our schedule over the last 6 is VERY favorable: vs Houston, @ Green Bay, vs Buffalo, @ Minnesota, @ Miami, vs Oakland. We could easily go 4-2 in those games.
JeffWeaverFan
09-18-06, 01:07 AM
I thought this was a 6-10/7-9 team, and that was with the belief that Chad was going to be average at best (probably re-injured), and Cotchery would be an "OK" receiver. It looks like Chad is back to being a good-very good QB (cross fingers for health), and Cotchery has emerged as a very good #2 WR. If that continues, and we get more physical in the trenches, AND we get SOME halfway decent running game, I could realistically see us win 9-10 games.
Really, it's all about the QB. A good QB can turn a 4-5 win team into a 9-10 win team. For Chad, it's just about staying healthy. We heard all off-season about how he added muscle, and his entire body is stronger than ever. Of course, that's all moot if he can't keep the surgically repaired shoulder healthy. I think the good pass-protection we're getting will definitely help.
Chad staying healthy + better run blocking = AFC Wild Card Possibility
If we do make the playoffs, I definitely wouldn't expect a whole lot. It's only year one of the Mangini era, we saw today in the first half that we're not quite ready to compete with the elite teams. Luckily, we play a lot of bad teams this year (Green Bay, Detroit, Houston, Oakland... Miami :D, etc.)
Exactly! You said everything I'm thinking here. The best part of this season is we are, even if we do well, REBUILDING! And, to be honest, the reason why I think we should win at least 9 games this year is because our schedule is really easy. GB? Oakland? Houston? Miami twice? Come on!
If Chad stays healthy, I like this team a lot. The defense will be above average and the offense should only get better as D'Brick, Mangold, and Cotchery continue to improve. I like this team a lot. It's young and it's good.
The running game has to get better by the way. I'm sick of Blaylock (I know I didn't see the game but 7 yards on 6 carries or whatever it was is just unacceptable). Give me Cedric Houston. Give me the rookie RB that I'm blanking on the name of. And of course continue to let Barlow start unless one of those other two emerge.
I came into this season expecting to see improvements from last season. I've already gotten that. I'm greedy now and I want more. Let me, late in the season, have some playoff hopes. That's all I ask.
hugelongtermdeal
09-19-06, 07:41 AM
I have to say .. I'm shocked at all of the happy talk around Pennington. I didn't see him in pre-season, or game 1 .. but, after this game .. his arm looks just as weak as ever. Without a running game, teams are going to eventually take away the short passes/timing routes ... and I just don't see Chad being able to throw the ball consistently downfield. I will certainly give him props for being a great team leader and accurate short passer, but Is there a starting QB in the league with a weaker arm.
I don't know .. i'm all for being optimistic .. but i just don't see it here.
TheoShmeo
09-19-06, 08:43 AM
I don't think you can conclude that much about Chad based on the Pats game.
He was under a lot of pressure as the Pats blitzed a lot. On one hand, it's hard to make plays when you're running for cover, and on the other hand, great QBs find a way to hit the inevitably open receivers when teams blitz.
And the big plays yardage wise were really long runs after the catch as opposed to long passes or laser beams down the field.
So my bottom line is that if the happy talk is based on that game, it's misplaced. I didn't see the Titans game other than some ESPN highlights.
hugelongtermdeal
09-19-06, 09:07 AM
Just looked at the Jet schedule again and I see this being a 9-7 team at worst. 10-6 (and the playoffs), is a reasonable goal IMO. 11-5 is an unreasonable goal but still one to have. Of course, this all relies on Chad saying healthy.
can you run through the schedule .. where do you see these 11 wins?
JeffWeaverFan
09-19-06, 10:23 AM
can you run through the schedule .. where do you see these 11 wins?
I see 9 wins. 11, as I originally stated, is "unreasonable."
The wins I see, to reach 9, are Miami, Detroit, at Cleveland, Houston, at Green Bay, Buffalo, at Miami, and Oakland. At Buffalo this week is a winnable game to reach 10. At Minnesota, IMO, is a game that could be won, and that would be 11 wins.
The 4 toughest games are Indy at home, at Jacksonville, at New England, and Chicago at home and all would be huge upsets to win. Still though, I don't think saying that I see 9 wins from this team is unreasonable. 11 would be but if everything breaks the right way, it could happen.
This game coming up at Buffalo is a huge game for the Jets though. If we lose, then there is a very good chance we will face Miami 1-4.
RIyankee
09-19-06, 12:40 PM
I see 7-8 wins for the Jets. Worse, if the Jets QBs have to throw 30+ times a game. The Jets currently rank 12th in the league in pass attempts.
#1PaFan
09-19-06, 04:54 PM
I see 9 wins. 11, as I originally stated, is "unreasonable."
The wins I see, to reach 9, are Miami, Detroit, at Cleveland, Houston, at Green Bay, Buffalo, at Miami, and Oakland. At Buffalo this week is a winnable game to reach 10. At Minnesota, IMO, is a game that could be won, and that would be 11 wins.
The 4 toughest games are Indy at home, at Jacksonville, at New England, and Chicago at home and all would be huge upsets to win. Still though, I don't think saying that I see 9 wins from this team is unreasonable. 11 would be but if everything breaks the right way, it could happen.
This game coming up at Buffalo is a huge game for the Jets though. If we lose, then there is a very good chance we will face Miami 1-4.
The Jets aren't winning at Lambeau. I'll be in attendance. :D :gulp:
Hey, how is Cotchery looking? I haven't watched much of the Jets yet, but his numbers are looking OK so far.
Do you folks think he'll target a lot of passes as the season progresses?
JeffWeaverFan
09-19-06, 10:36 PM
The Jets aren't winning at Lambeau. I'll be in attendance. :D :gulp:
Hey, how is Cotchery looking? I haven't watched much of the Jets yet, but his numbers are looking OK so far.
Do you folks think he'll target a lot of passes as the season progresses?
There is no doubt in my mind we will take that game. Of course, that's not saying much!:P
Anyways, Cotchery looks great so far. He was great in the preseason and has been great in the regular season. Plus, it seems like Pennington really likes throwing to him and Mangini is a fan of his too.
He will definitely get a lot of passes thrown to him simply because we need to throw the ball a ton and he's our #2 WR. If you can pick him up in a fantasy league, I'd strongly consider it.
JeffWeaverFan
09-19-06, 10:38 PM
I see 7-8 wins for the Jets. Worse, if the Jets QBs have to throw 30+ times a game. The Jets currently rank 12th in the league in pass attempts.
When your QB is one of the top 3 in the league, it's not such a bad thing.;)
Seriously though, obviously we need to run the ball better. I think, as time goes on, we will. Our center and LT should only get better ast time goes and hopefully Blaylock gets less and less playing time.
AMYanks
09-20-06, 09:09 PM
When your QB is one of the top 3 in the league, it's not such a bad thing.;)
Seriously though, obviously we need to run the ball better. I think, as time goes on, we will. Our center and LT should only get better ast time goes and hopefully Blaylock gets less and less playing time.
I think it was in the Daily News today, that Blaylock might be replaced by Houston and/or Washington in the RB rotation. Definitely good news. Even though our run blocking is making it hard to be successful on the ground, Blaylock has just been painfully bad.
dabomb2045
09-20-06, 09:12 PM
I couldnt figure out why Houston wasnt active the first 2 games. Im not saying he is a Pro Bowler....but I think he is the best RB on the active roster.
He looked solid last season, and looked good again in the preseason. He can run in between the tackles, and is also capable of grinding out some yards.
AMYanks
09-20-06, 09:17 PM
I couldnt figure out why Houston wasnt active the first 2 games. Im not saying he is a Pro Bowler....but I think he is the best RB on the active roster.
He looked solid last season, and looked good again in the preseason. He can run in between the tackles, and is also capable of grinding out some yards.
My guess is that Mangini only wants 3 RBs active, and Houston is similar to Barlow, so Mangini opted for Blaylock, who has a different style than Barlow. Washington was going to be active because of his return abilities. At this point, I think Mangini will just play Barlow and Houston, regardless of them being similar, since they're the two best RBs on the roster.
RIyankee
09-20-06, 10:07 PM
Back up RBs that don't play on special teams tend to irritate most coaches.
JeffWeaverFan
09-21-06, 11:07 AM
Back up RBs that don't play on special teams tend to irritate most coaches.
Yep, and that is certainly the reason why Houston has not been on the team yet. But, I would argue that backup RB's that can only get 1.5 YPC should irriate coaches more than those backup RB's that don't play special teams.
dabomb2045
09-21-06, 02:16 PM
Yep, and that is certainly the reason why Houston has not been on the team yet. But, I would argue that backup RB's that can only get 1.5 YPC should irriate coaches more than those backup RB's that don't play special teams.
Without a doubt. The combination of bad run blocking and mediocre RBs equals a horrific running game.
Houston gives us our best chance at grinding out yards.
hugelongtermdeal
09-22-06, 06:51 AM
When your QB is one of the top 3 in the league, it's not such a bad thing.;)
Something tells me that his status as "top 3" has more to do with his receives YAC ... but, we'll see.
Soriambi
09-24-06, 03:16 PM
Whoo! 2-1. :D
The Jets were outgained 475-256, but the defensive touchdown, the three turnovers, and the outstanding punting of Ben Graham (7 punts, 48.3 yards per) helped to turn it around.
JeffWeaverFan
09-24-06, 03:52 PM
This was the key game for the Jets IMO. Yes, we were outgained, but our defense did exactly what I thought it would against Losman.
By the way, did anyone else love Leon Washington running the ball a bit? I know he's not a big time RB but at least he gains some yards when he gets the ball.
Chad also did his thing - not throwing an INT once again.
Fact is, this team is 2-1 and very well could be heading to the playoffs.
Soriambi
09-24-06, 03:54 PM
By the way, did anyone else love Leon Washington running the ball a bit? I know he's not a big time RB but at least he gains some yards when he gets the ball.
I was very impressed by Washington today. I was actually most impressed by some of the moves he made to get a first down on the play that was called back thanks to a penalty. He really made a very nice gain out of nothing. He had a nice game.
AMYanks
09-24-06, 04:41 PM
Despite getting beat statistically, glad to see we were able to make the big plays and get the win. If we can split these next two, which will be tough (vs IND, @ JAX), then it's fair to say this team, with its favorable schedule, has a shot to do some things this year.
The run blocking improved a lot as the game went along, hopefully it improves even more as the season goes along. Houston and Washington have been able to do the most when they get the football, so I think we should definitely have those two get the majority of the carries (although I think we'll still be seeing plenty of Barlow, which may not be a bad thing as he is a solid player.)
One thing we really need to do is start these games off better. It seems like it takes us a little while to get going. As we've seen, we can get by with that when we're facing a horrible team like Tennessee, and even an average team like Buffalo, but we've also seen that we can't do it against the class of the league, like the Patriots, and the Colts and Jaguars as we'll see in the coming weeks.
Overall, we saw some weaknesses as we expected, but the team played tough, showed the heart and determination that we've seen early on this season, and made enough plays to get the win. Now let's try to convince Peyton Manning that next week is a playoff game... then maybe we'll win. ;)
I liked the improvement in the run blocking late in the game and Washington has looked fairly good. The running game still isn't really there, but it's a huge improvement (and let's hear it for the other former hated Seminole in Coles!).
The end with the onside kick was scary and I HATE the "prevent defense" towards the end of the game, but a win is a win and the clock managment at the end of the first half was absolutely wonderful. It was weird for me as a 'Canes fan with Vilma and McGahee (and Roscoe Parrish) all over the place, but definitely enjoyable.
2-1 baby! I have no confidence in beating the Colts, but now at least I have confidence that they'll show some heart and make it a good game.
JeffWeaverFan
09-24-06, 06:07 PM
Despite getting beat statistically, glad to see we were able to make the big plays and get the win. If we can split these next two, which will be tough (vs IND, @ JAX), then it's fair to say this team, with its favorable schedule, has a shot to do some things this year.
IMO, even if we lose the next 2, I think this team can do some things. After these 2 weeks, we have a very nice schedule. The key game for me was todays and we won it. If we win one of the next two, I'm thrilled.
dabomb2045
09-24-06, 06:44 PM
Weird game. I thought we were totally outplayed in the 1st half....yet managed to have a lead at the half.
Thought we played much better in the 2nd half. Shut down the running game, got alot of pressure on Losman. How about Rhodes with that blitz off the corner?? He seems to have that down to a science....3 fumbles in 2 games now.
Pennington looked pretty good to me again, and he really has a nice connection going with Coles right now. I also think Mangini needs to get Washington more involved in the game plan from now on. He has speed, is shifty and makes guys miss. He had some very nice runs today.
PinstripePride
09-24-06, 08:37 PM
This team looks GOOD! :D
JeffWeaverFan
09-24-06, 08:41 PM
How about Rhodes with that blitz off the corner?? He seems to have that down to a science....3 fumbles in 2 games now.
Rhodes is a beast! Fantastic player we got there.
JeffWeaverFan
09-25-06, 07:09 PM
I just want to repeat how great it feels to root for a well-coached team like the Jets.
dabomb2045
09-25-06, 10:21 PM
I just want to repeat how great it feels to root for a well-coached team like the Jets.
It really is a drastic difference watching a Mangini coached team and a Edwards coached team.
We seem to have a staff that actually knows what they are doing now.
Soriambi
09-26-06, 03:14 PM
It really is a drastic difference watching a Mangini coached team and a Edwards coached team.
We seem to have a staff that actually knows what they are doing now.
Agreed. I don't think we've had a single delay of game or 12 men on the field penalty, and we haven't had to use all of our TOs int he first six or seven minutes of each half. :lol:
hugelongtermdeal
09-28-06, 11:10 AM
It really is a drastic difference watching a Mangini coached team and a Edwards coached team.
We seem to have a staff that actually knows what they are doing now.
great point .. where are all of the edward's apolgists now?
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
09-30-06, 05:12 PM
But Herm was a great motivational speaker!
dabomb2045
10-01-06, 01:02 AM
Im pretty pumped for tommorrow. I really dont expect us to win....but I think we are gonna play well and maybe we can pull off a surprise.
PinstripePride
10-01-06, 03:17 PM
Im pretty pumped for tommorrow. I really dont expect us to win....but I think we are gonna play well and maybe we can pull off a surprise.
Almost got your wish. They played GREAT. Madde me proud to be a Jets fan.
Plus that final play was the most ridiculous, hilarious thing I've seen in a while.
I just hope Coles is OK.
dabomb2045
10-01-06, 03:23 PM
Almost got your wish. They played GREAT. Madde me proud to be a Jets fan.
Plus that final play was the most ridiculous, hilarious thing I've seen in a while.
I just hope Coles is OK.
Little dissapointed in the defense in the 4th quarter....especially the game-winning drive. They just sat back and let Manning (with no timeouts) pick them apart. I thought the offense played well...good to see the running game get going a little bit. Chad played very well again.
I do have a BIG problem with Mangini's decision to go for that 4th and goal at 14-14. You HAVE to get at least 3 points on that drive, considering how long it was yard wise and time wise. Its demoralizing to drive that far and that long and not come away with anything. Plus its not like it was 4th and goal at the half yard line...where you could sneak it or something. It was on the 3 yard line. Just a horrific decision and an even worse play call.
AMYanks
10-01-06, 03:52 PM
Oh well, didn't expect to win this one anyway. Considering how awful the run defense is, the team played very well. Mangini coached a brilliant game, he had the right idea going for it on 4th down (given the situation at the time), but he and/or Schottenheimer chose a poor play. I'm proud of the team, and I fully expect us to be .500 or better this year. Just have to hope that Coles and Houston are okay.
PinstripePride
10-01-06, 03:59 PM
Little dissapointed in the defense in the 4th quarter....especially the game-winning drive. They just sat back and let Manning (with no timeouts) pick them apart. I thought the offense played well...good to see the running game get going a little bit. Chad played very well again.
I do have a BIG problem with Mangini's decision to go for that 4th and goal at 14-14. You HAVE to get at least 3 points on that drive, considering how long it was yard wise and time wise. Its demoralizing to drive that far and that long and not come away with anything. Plus its not like it was 4th and goal at the half yard line...where you could sneak it or something. It was on the 3 yard line. Just a horrific decision and an even worse play call.
I hear you on both counts. If you hold manning to 14 into the 14th quarter you can't fall apart like that. Although that's Peyton's game right there, 4Q comebacks.
I also think Mangini was wrong, but his aggressiveness is what ggot us the onside kick and a few other good plays, so I can't totally fault him though I do think he should've just kicked it.
Soriambi
10-01-06, 04:00 PM
Mixed feelings about this game. It was one of the most hearbreaking regular season games I've ever been at, and I think that Mangini's decision to go for it on 4th and 2 was terrible (if it was 4th and a half yard it's one thing, but I think that at 4th and 2 you take the FG), but I am encouraged by the fact that we only lost by three, and very easily could have won, against one of the best teams in the NFL in a game where we didn't get even one turnover. I keep thinking that this team is better and better every week. Hopefully they can get a big road win against Jacksonville next week and go from there. Mangini and the coaching staff have this team ready to play every week no matter who the opponent is and I'm very excited about the future of the team under Mangini.
PinstripePride
10-01-06, 04:07 PM
Mangini and the coaching staff have this team ready to play every week no matter who the opponent is and I'm very excited about the future of the team under Mangini.
+1
Future looks extremely bright.
PinstripePride
10-01-06, 04:08 PM
Also, if anyone hears anything about Coles, please post.
chanman7483
10-01-06, 04:10 PM
Huge fan of this team... they play hard week in and week out. You can't ask for much more than that.
PinstripePride
10-01-06, 04:33 PM
Huge fan of this team... they play hard week in and week out. You can't ask for much more than that.
Love your user title. :lol:
JeffWeaverFan
10-01-06, 04:50 PM
I'm livid about losing this game. Justin Miller didn't f*cking touch that WR. I don't know what else to say. I like this team a lot and I think there is a great future there, but this game should have been won. I'm also worried that Cedric Houston is out for the season.
dabomb2045
10-01-06, 05:02 PM
I'm livid about losing this game. Justin Miller didn't f*cking touch that WR. I don't know what else to say. I like this team a lot and I think there is a great future there, but this game should have been won. I'm also worried that Cedric Houston is out for the season.
Yeah I was livid on that PI call on Miller too. They both were pushing off on each other and both were looking back at the ball. Should have been no call.
AMYanks
10-01-06, 05:49 PM
SNY says Houston and Coles are fine.
BillBuckner
10-01-06, 05:57 PM
I am now depressed to go along with my hangover. :(
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