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TheoShmeo

01-10-07, 05:50 AM

Want a cookie?
No, trying to drop a few pounds.

Want a QB with a man's arm? ;)

CallOfTheCrow

01-10-07, 11:05 AM

Do we know where they are in the draft yet? I've been hearing #24 but I don't know if that's official or not.

JeffWeaverFan

01-10-07, 11:43 AM

Do we know where they are in the draft yet? I've been hearing #24 but I don't know if that's official or not.
NYYFAN let it be known in the NFL Draft order thread that we will pick 25th if the Bears beat Seattle and 24th if Seattle beats the Bears.

CallOfTheCrow

01-10-07, 11:44 AM

Well then, go Seattle. :)

Soriambi

01-10-07, 02:03 PM

I'm not completely shocked by it, but I would have guessed Chad would have had the job... This could also mean that Mangini liked what he saw from Clemens in practice and thinks he might do a better job than Chad. I do think Chad will win the job though.

I think that we might be reading too much into what Mangini said. Just because he said it's an open competition doesn't necessarily mean that it's a completely open competition. It could just be extra motivation for all of the QBs to work harder in the off-season and in training camp. If you recall, Mangini didn't name any starters until basically a few days before the 2006 season. He had the depth charts alphabetical, but there were no real surprises when push came to shove. I think that that's just a thing he does, leaving every position "open" to anyone, when in reality he might have an extremely good idea of who is going to be the starter in his mind.

NYJets37

01-10-07, 02:36 PM

Chad is fine in the 2 minute drill imo.

If you want him to pull off a Miracle at the Meadowlands like comeback, he's not going to do that. Or if you want him to drive 80 yards in 25 seconds with no timeouts, he's not going to do that either. But things like that don't happen often.

Rarely when teams comeback late in games is it by 45+ yard passes. They do it by moving the chains and being smart with the clock, and he can do both of those. Give him 2 minutes, and a couple of timeouts, and yea I think he can take it 80 yards for a touchdown.

As for the open competition, I don't know what to make of it. If Clemens proves he's a better player, he can and should play, so I guess in that sense it's open. But he says every position is open, even though we know Kerry Rhodes will start, we know Vilma will start, and Coles, and Cotchery, etc. Hopefully it's similar here.

I don't think we'll see a training camp like last year where 4 different QB's got equal reps with the first team.

NYJets37

01-10-07, 02:37 PM

Here's a Jets highlight video I made. Hope you guys like it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SLxyLXD7_Xw

Bernie51Williams

01-10-07, 02:52 PM

Many predicted the Jets not to do anything good this year and I also thought that but we were all wrong. After the 2004 season the Jets were said to be contending for the AFC East title but they won 4 ballgames and this season they bounce back with the same record in 2004 10-6 and I now say they have a chance at contending for the AFC East title next season, but of course they will need to go out and get a new starting running back which could possibly be Michael Turner and they need to also improve there O-line a little and there defense a little and I feel this team could contend with the Patriots next season.

JeffWeaverFan

01-10-07, 03:05 PM

Here's a Jets highlight video I made. Hope you guys like it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SLxyLXD7_Xw
Excellent video! Thanks!

JeffWeaverFan

01-10-07, 03:06 PM

I think that we might be reading too much into what Mangini said. Just because he said it's an open competition doesn't necessarily mean that it's a completely open competition. It could just be extra motivation for all of the QBs to work harder in the off-season and in training camp. If you recall, Mangini didn't name any starters until basically a few days before the 2006 season. He had the depth charts alphabetical, but there were no real surprises when push came to shove. I think that that's just a thing he does, leaving every position "open" to anyone, when in reality he might have an extremely good idea of who is going to be the starter in his mind.
Fair enough. It does seem a little odd that he would do that with the QB position though.

AMYanks

01-10-07, 03:44 PM

Fair enough. It does seem a little odd that he would do that with the QB position though.

He may already know, in his mind, that Chad will be the starter. But publicly, he's stated that competition is on of the Jets "core values", and so that may be why he's not making a public commitment to Chad.

just-blaze

01-10-07, 06:19 PM

My hopes for the offseason.

Sign Samuel
Sign Turner

Draft best available talent for depth, not necessarily for needs.

keg411

01-10-07, 08:18 PM

Miami interviewed Brian Schottenheimer. I pray he doesn't get offered that job... I wanted to see the coaching staff stay together for a while :(.

JeffWeaverFan

01-10-07, 08:57 PM

My hopes for the offseason.

Sign Samuel
Sign Turner

Draft best available talent for depth, not necessarily for needs.
How good do we think Turner is? His stats are impressive, but that is on the Chargers and probably when the games are out of reach. And is he a FA or would we have to trade for him?

dabomb2045

01-10-07, 09:48 PM

Miami interviewed Brian Schottenheimer. I pray he doesn't get offered that job... I wanted to see the coaching staff stay together for a while :(.

Yeah, that would suck alot....I hope he doesnt get it

dabomb2045

01-10-07, 09:49 PM

How good do we think Turner is? His stats are impressive, but that is on the Chargers and probably when the games are out of reach. And is he a FA or would we have to trade for him?

Most "experts" will tell you that Turner is better then most of the starting RBs in the league

RIyankee

01-10-07, 11:47 PM

How good do we think Turner is? His stats are impressive, but that is on the Chargers and probably when the games are out of reach. And is he a FA or would we have to trade for him?

He's an RFA.

JeffWeaverFan

01-11-07, 12:22 AM

He's an RFA.
I see... I wonder what compensation we would have to give up if they didn't match our offer.

edit: Nevermind, obviously it depends on what kind of tender they put on him, which I read will be a 1st rounder. Forget it then, I'd rather not sign him.

RIyankee

01-11-07, 09:42 AM

I see... I wonder what compensation we would have to give up if they didn't match our offer.

edit: Nevermind, obviously it depends on what kind of tender they put on him, which I read will be a 1st rounder. Forget it then, I'd rather not sign him.

I think there's a new tender under the new CBA that allows for 2nd round compensation. IMO, Turner wouldn't be a good fit for your team since he's simlilar in style to Washington.

There's one sleeper RB that I like in FA. Correll Buckhalter (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235031). He came back strong in 2006 and would come cheap as a low risk, high reward player. He's a good receiver too. Terry Allen (http://www.profootball-reference.com/players/AlleTe00.htm) came back from two knee operations as did Willis McGahee (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396170).

If Corey Dillon becomes a cap casualty, I wouldn't mind seeing Buckhalter in NE.

Bernie51Williams

01-11-07, 01:16 PM

Very nice video NYJets37 well done man

CallOfTheCrow

01-11-07, 01:46 PM

who are our pending FA this year?

RIyankee

01-11-07, 02:11 PM

who are our pending FA this year?

http://www.theredzone.org/2007/freeagents/showteam.asp?Team=Jets

keg411

01-11-07, 03:13 PM

http://www.theredzone.org/2007/freeagents/showteam.asp?Team=Jets

I think that's an old list -- Bryan Thomas was already extended. But I think the rest is accurate (though not 100% sure).

NDBoston

01-11-07, 10:58 PM

Corwin Brown is leaving the Jets to become the DC at Notre Dame.

RIyankee

01-12-07, 08:09 AM

I think that's an old list -- Bryan Thomas was already extended. But I think the rest is accurate (though not 100% sure).

It's the best list out there. ESPN deosn't have theirs up yet.

CallOfTheCrow

01-12-07, 11:35 AM

Get Cotchery back & I wouldn't mind seeing Askew return.

RIyankee

01-12-07, 11:39 AM

Get Cotchery back & I wouldn't mind seeing Askew return.

Cotchery is an RFA, he's not going anywhere.

Did you know...

...that Cotchery was Phillip Rivers No.# 1 target at NC State?

JeffWeaverFan

01-12-07, 12:23 PM

Did you know...

...that Cotchery was Phillip Rivers No.# 1 target at NC State?
Yes I did. And he broke all of Tory Holt's records while there.

AMYanks

01-13-07, 09:44 PM

Looks like the off-season may start out poorly for the Jets. ESPN.com says Schottenheimer is a finalist for the Dolphins HC job, and Phins fans say that the talk radio stations down there are reporting that he is definitely the front-runner for the job.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2730315

PinstripePride

01-14-07, 02:04 AM

JeffWeaverFan

01-14-07, 08:17 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing Askew return.
I like Askew, but I wonder if this is a position we could upgrade in the offseason.

Pepper03

01-14-07, 08:24 AM

JeffWeaverFan

01-14-07, 09:07 AM

The downside of success.
Yup. The irony is that the one of the main reasons they are considering him is because of Mangini's success with the Jets. Usually they would consider him too young but they saw that a young guy in Mangini can be a great coach.

JeffWeaverFan

01-14-07, 11:39 AM

Just heard that Huezanga (sp?) sent a private Jet to Atlanta to give Mora a second interview. He's the only candidate to get a 2nd interview thus far. Hopefully Schottenheimer stays.

keg411

01-14-07, 01:03 PM

I really hope they hire Mora (or anyone else, really). I want BSchotty to stay with the Jets for a few years (and hopefully through a Jets SB championship ;)). He shows promise of being a great OC and I loved the way the coaching staff seemed to work together this season.

just-blaze

01-14-07, 09:40 PM

RIyankee

01-15-07, 09:17 AM

Just heard that Huezanga (sp?) sent a private Jet to Atlanta to give Mora a second interview. He's the only candidate to get a 2nd interview thus far. Hopefully Schottenheimer stays.

I doubt it. Miami shelled out a lot of money to bring in Capers as their DC and Whisenhunt was hired to be the Cards HC. Mora is a defensive coach, so he's now out of the mix.

AMYanks

01-15-07, 05:52 PM

Great news. Schottenheimer withdraws his name from Miami coaching position!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2732215

Phins fans are saying on their board that Mora Jr. seems to be the front-runner, and Gailey is right behind him.

Soriambi

01-15-07, 05:55 PM

AMYanks

01-15-07, 05:57 PM

One reason he might have withdrawn his name is incase his father is fired in San Diego, the Dolphins would probably go after him. Brian knows he'll have other opportunities.

PinstripePride

01-16-07, 07:35 AM

Just saw that link on NFL.com. Greeat news.

RIyankee

01-16-07, 09:48 AM

I'm guessing Miami hires Gailey.

Snatch Catch

01-18-07, 09:22 PM

From Rotoworld:

Willis McGahee said in a recent interview with Penthouse magazine that the NFL should be in Toronto and that the Bills should move there.

The Rochester Democrat and Chronicle's Bob Matthews believes the Jets could be the first team contacted if the Bills are willing to deal McGahee. A beat writer for the Bills' official website thinks trading McGahee is a definite possibility this offseason. Jan. 18 - 11:19 am et

keg411

01-18-07, 09:27 PM

JeffWeaverFan

01-18-07, 09:38 PM

McGahee was one of my favorite players at Miami. I'd love to see him on the Jets (especially considering he wouldn't get 150+ yards against us everytime we played). I'm wary about what they'd have to give up, though....
I wouldn't give up our 1st rounder for him. Even though he has killed the Jets, he hasn't been great against other teams... If it did cost our 1st rounder, I think I'd rather Michael Turner.

AMYanks

01-18-07, 10:17 PM

McGahee's not that good, and I doubt he is the type of player Mangini wants on the team.

dabomb2045

01-18-07, 10:21 PM

As much as I would like to see an upgrade at RB....this team has more pressing needs. I wouldnt be trading our #1 pick for a RB. Especially not McGahee who seems to do nothing against everyone EXCEPT the Jets.

Turner worries me too. He put up alot of his stats in garbage time, and alot of his damage came when the defenses were not setup to stop him. #1 pick for him?? I dont think so.

destiNY

01-18-07, 10:21 PM

McGahee had one good year in the NFL since drafted

JeffWeaverFan

01-18-07, 10:30 PM

I really want to draft Marshawn Lynch but he won't be there when we pick. I'd even trade up to get him because I think he's a great RB. Of course trading up would hurt us with our defensive needs.

dabomb2045

01-18-07, 10:32 PM

I really want to draft Marshawn Lynch but he won't be there when we pick. I'd even trade up to get him because I think he's a great RB. Of course trading up would hurt us with our defensive needs.

If there is a potentially dominant 3-4 made DT available (for example...a Vince Wilfork type ) in the 1st round....I may be willing to trade up to try and get him.

I wonder what we could get in return for Robertson if we made him available....he could be quite attractive to a 4-3 team since he has improved. He just isnt made for our defense.

JeffWeaverFan

01-18-07, 10:56 PM

I wonder what we could get in return for Robertson if we made him available....he could be quite attractive to a 4-3 team since he has improved. He just isnt made for our defense.
Speaking of Robertson (who definitely had his best sesaon this year), I just read this.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2732604

• We hear that comments by GM Mike Tannenbaum that the Jets believe DL Dewayne Robertson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6340) affords them flexibility with his ability to play tackle or end indicates that the team may consider moving Robertson, who's not as stout as the team would like for its nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme, to end in 2007.

Bernie51Williams

01-19-07, 12:31 AM

so do you guys think the Jets should go after Michael Turner or even Ahman Green? Or are they better off maybe drafting a RB?

just-blaze

01-19-07, 01:23 AM

so do you guys think the Jets should go after Michael Turner or even Ahman Green? Or are they better off maybe drafting a RB?

Turner is going to cost us compensation.

This draft is so deep, that I could see us drafting a RB again. Peterson might fall to 25. Might. That kid from Southern Illinois is worth looking at too. I also heard there was some RB from USC who was suspended or kicked off the team for something and he is supposed to be the real deal. I dont know. I feel for the GM (actually I dont). He has some big questions to answer.

I would sign some FA's to bolster our defense and try to get the best RB and DT in the draft. And after that just create depth.

just-blaze

01-19-07, 01:27 AM

Bernie51Williams

01-19-07, 01:27 AM

yeah but if they don't draft a RB I feel Cedric Houston could become the Jets starter, he showed he can be real good when he's not injured but yeah they need to also improve there O-Line and there defense.

RIyankee

01-19-07, 08:42 AM

Have there been any mock drafts done yet. Someone is going to fall. There is sooo much talent in this draft.

Scott Wright has a good site that's free...

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html

JeffWeaverFan

01-19-07, 09:14 AM

Scott Wright has a good site that's free...

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html
I don't think the Steelers will draft Lynch, but I also don't think he will fall that far. I would rather have Lynch than Peterson because of the durability factor.

AMYanks

01-19-07, 12:26 PM

Lynch is a very wreckless runner, he's more finesse and elusive, I doubt the Steelers would draft him.

just-blaze

01-20-07, 03:21 PM

Scott Wright has a good site that's free...

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html

Ugh. Jarvis Moss?

Wright points out that we need to address defense and that our run defense was
at the bottom of the pack. Then says Jarvis Moss is a phenomenal pass rusher
which he is but is a horrible run stopper. I wish he would listen to his logic a little
more closely.

Someone to stop the run please. Not a passrushing DE who's stock doubled with
one game.

TheManKnownAsMecca

01-21-07, 12:00 AM

Honestly that is one of the worst mock drafts I've ever seen. I know it's probably because it is so early and there haven't been any workouts etc, but wow...

BillBuckner

01-21-07, 10:27 AM

Honestly that is one of the worst mock drafts I've ever seen. I know it's probably because it is so early and there haven't been any workouts etc, but wow...

Russel #1? Lions drafting Joe Thomas?? I swear, any idiot could make a mock draft.

Soriambi

01-21-07, 02:55 PM

Russel #1? Lions drafting Joe Thomas?? I swear, any idiot could make a mock draft.

He has the Jets taking defensive ends with two of their first three picks, too.

The Lions should take Calvin Johnson #2, just because it would be hilarious for them to take another WR.

AMYanks

01-22-07, 07:34 PM

Chris Mortenson was saying he thinks Mangini and Tannenbaum will hire Parcells as a consultant. That would be cool. They both talked to Parcells a lot during the season, so it would be basically the same thing except he would have more knowledge about the Jets situation now that he's not coaching another team.

JeffWeaverFan

01-23-07, 09:39 AM

dabomb2045

01-23-07, 09:01 PM

Yeah, I heard that. As a big Parcells fan, that would be cool with me.

I think myself and my dad are the only non-Parcells fans.....I want no part of this guy, keep him away from our organization

JeffWeaverFan

01-23-07, 09:16 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2641

Scout.com reports "sources familiar with the Chargers" believe the Jets are willing to trade their first-round pick for Michael Turner.
Turner, a restricted free agent, isn't even under contract with San Diego, but this appears to be a possibility once he's tendered. The Jets would then explore signing him long term. San Diego is reportedly now looking at running back prospects, possibly Penn State's Tony Hunt.

Interesting, if true. Schottenheimer certainly knows him well.

dabomb2045

01-23-07, 09:20 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2641

Interesting, if true. Schottenheimer certainly knows him well.

Its risky. We really dont know how good Turner is.

NYY EcKo151

01-23-07, 10:01 PM

Though there's still a chill in the air the weather cleared in Mobile for the morning's practice as the North took the field. A full compliment of general managers, coaches and scouts were on hand and there was plenty of news swirling in the air, including the San Diego Chargers and a trade brewing.

Sources familiar with the San Diego Chargers thinking feel Michael Turner will be traded to the New York Jets for the team's pick in round one.

The Chargers will tender Turner the maximum amount and will trade him for nothing less than a first rounder. Speaking to people familiar with the Chargers around Mobile you get the feeling the deal is done.

One sticking point could be the Jets, or any team who desires the acquisition of Turner, coming to terms on a long term contract with the running back.
Looks like it's extremely close.

JeffWeaverFan

01-23-07, 10:26 PM

Looks like it's extremely close.
Well if we get him, I sure hope he's great. I have confidence that Schottenheimer, who has obviously worked with him and knows him well and knows people that know him well, will make the right decision here. Where was that article from by the way?

Bernie51Williams

01-24-07, 01:17 AM

AMYanks

01-24-07, 01:43 AM

I wouldn't be so against it, if the team felt Turner was the real deal. After the top 20, this is a fairly weak draft. The #25 pick in this draft is like 30-35 in most drafts, and #40 in last year's draft. Of course, on the flip side, this draft is pretty deep in OL and 3-4 DEs at that spot, something we really need.

Whatever. In Mangini We Trust.

BillBuckner

01-24-07, 07:48 AM

Sources familiar with the San Diego Chargers thinking feel Michael Turner will be traded to the New York Jets for the team's pick in round one.

First round pick?? Is he really worth it?

Pepper03

01-24-07, 07:58 AM

I think myself and my dad are the only non-Parcells fans.....I want no part of this guy, keep him away from our organization

Well see we have something in common after all.;)

johnnyyankee

01-24-07, 08:28 AM

ahh trading a 1st round pick for Turner? I can understand maybe a 2nd round pick but a 1st, sure Turner has great career numbers as a backup but will he be a good starter? If was more proven a 1st for him would be fine but we don't know yet.

When does Turner accumulate the bulk of his stats? During garbage, mop up time? We know who's in there during crunch time. I know he occasionally comes in at times of importance, just pointing out the numbers may be deceiving. A lot of his stats may come when the game is over and the defense has given up.

Bernie51Williams

01-24-07, 10:22 PM

no doubt Turner will probably go over 1,000 yards rushing next year as a starter so maybe it isn't that bad of a deal.

Snatch Catch

01-25-07, 10:08 AM

The Jets pick 25th, too. It's not like they're giving up a prime position.

AMYanks

01-25-07, 03:59 PM

The Jets pick 25th, too. It's not like they're giving up a prime position.

25th in a weak draft (after the top 20).

Bernie51Williams

01-25-07, 09:33 PM

yeah your right and if Turner goes over 1,000 yards rushing its a sucessful trade.

BillBuckner

01-25-07, 10:09 PM

yeah your right and if Turner goes over 1,000 yards rushing its a sucessful trade.
No, do you know how uncommon it is to rush for 1,000 yards nowadays? That's not even 63 yards a game. I know because I have a calculator.

dabomb2045

01-25-07, 10:11 PM

No, do you know how uncommon it is to rush for 1,000 yards nowadays? That's not even 63 yards a game. I know because I have a calculator.

1,000 yards isnt really a big deal....1300-1400+ is what I judge a real good RB on

BillBuckner

01-25-07, 10:19 PM

1,000 yards isnt really a big deal....1300-1400+ is what I judge a real good RB on
Sorry I meant "common". Leave it to me to actually include clear cut evidence in one of my posts and then f**k it up with a simple typo.

JeffWeaverFan

01-25-07, 11:16 PM

Leon Washington could run for 1000 yards if he was the feature back IMO. If we trade our #1 for Turner, then he has to be a 1300-1400 RB like dabomb and Buckner are saying.

dabomb2045

01-26-07, 12:49 AM

Leon Washington could run for 1000 yards if he was the feature back IMO. If we trade our #1 for Turner, then he has to be a 1300-1400 RB like dabomb and Buckner are saying.

Agreed. And I have alot of doubts that Turner is that type of RB. Ripping off some good runs in garbage time playing for SD isnt enough for me. Do we really wanna take a risk and give up our #1 for him....especially when IMO we have more important needs to fill?

Snatch Catch

01-27-07, 04:03 PM

Kiper recently said that Lynch could fall to the Jets in some scenarios, and then this comes out today:

http://kcbs.com/pages/191060.php?contentType=4&contentId=296785

OAKLAND -- A former girlfriend is accusing former Cal star running back Marshawn Lynch of domestic violence and sexual assault.

KCBS has learned the Alameda County District Attorney is reviewing the woman's claims following an Oakland police investigation.

Lynch's attorney Gerry Schwartzbach denies the allegations.

KCBS has confirmed the woman was granted a restraining order against Lynch Friday morning. Schwartzbach says Lynch was unaware of the court hearing and did not attend.

In her complaint, the woman alleges Lynch choked, slapped and sexually assaulted her in Oakland the night of December 13th. She filed the civil complaint on December 19th, according to court documents obtained by KCBS.

Does this make it more likely? Is the Turner acquisition better than the chance of landing Lynch?

Soriambi

01-27-07, 04:25 PM

No, do you know how common it is to rush for 1,000 yards nowadays? That's not even 63 yards a game. I know because I have a calculator.

Just to illustrate this, 22 RBs (and one QB) ran for 1,000 yards this year. Another ran for 990. That means that 23 of the 32 NFL teams had a RB with 990 yards or more.

I don't know if I'd trade my #1 for Turner. I agree that Washington might be able to rush for around 1,000 yards, as he rushed for 650 on only 151 carries. However, I wouldn't be extremely disappointed if they did trade for him. Turner's numbers are impressive in his limited time, and he has good numbers even in the games that were close. With a guy like that, I think you need to rely as much on what your scouts say, since he doesn't have a full season's worth of work to judge him on. I'd be willing to see how it panned out before I got upset about it.

JeffWeaverFan

01-27-07, 10:55 PM

Kiper recently said that Lynch could fall to the Jets in some scenarios, and then this comes out today:

http://kcbs.com/pages/191060.php?contentType=4&contentId=296785

Does this make it more likely? Is the Turner acquisition better than the chance of landing Lynch?
Just saw that myself.

If he fell to us, I'd imagine we would take him, although you never know since we are into character guys.

To answer your question though, because of this, there is no way I'd trade for Turner now that Lynch is a real possibility.

Bernie51Williams

01-29-07, 12:27 PM

would be amazing if the Jets got Turner and Lynch

AMYanks

01-29-07, 12:48 PM

would be amazing if the Jets got Turner and Lynch

How, and why, would they get both Turner and Lynch?

JeffWeaverFan

01-29-07, 01:53 PM

How, and why, would they get both Turner and Lynch?
I can't answer either of those questions. Either way, if we got one, we don't want the other as we will want to use the money/draft picks on defense.

Bernie51Williams

01-31-07, 10:56 AM

I was just saying it would be amazing but also doubtful and if i'm the Jets i'm looking for a running back.

AMYanks

02-03-07, 07:08 PM

Jets/Colts SB III in its entirety on NFL Network right now.

#1PaFan

02-04-07, 03:00 PM

Jets/Colts SB III in its entirety on NFL Network right now.

Did they get any video of money changing hands? :D

AMYanks

02-07-07, 10:07 AM

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02072007/sports/jets/quinn_takes_jets_job_jets_mark_cannizzaro.htm

QUINN TAKES JETS JOB
By MARK CANNIZZARO
February 7, 2007 -- The Jets yesterday hired former Dolphins assistant coach Dan Quinn to be their defensive line coach, The Post has learned.

He replaces Denny Marcin, who had coached the defensive line for both Herman Edwards and Eric Mangini. Marcin is believed to be headed toward either retirement or reassignment. Quinn spent the last two seasons as the Dolphins' defensive line coach under Nick Saban.

When Saban bolted for the University of Alabama job, Dolphins' management asked Quinn to stay on staff as long as he signed a contract extension, but with no financial increase. Quinn said he'd rather finish out the final year of his existing deal and then talk extension and Dolphins' new head coach Cam Cameron fired him.

The Jets signed Quinn, who was believed to be en route to New York yesterday, to a two-year deal, an NFL source said.

I love this hiring by Mangini. Quinn is a very talented young coach, and spent the last two years around Saban, another good coach. I think this is a dramatic upgrade. Marcin's a good coach, but he really is more of a 4-3 guy who was getting older. Quinn is good with both the 3-4 and 4-3, is young, and already has a good resume (Miami run defense improved big time when he showed up).

I hope he has a good relationship with Vonnie Holliday, he is one FA I'd like to see us go after. The arrival of Quinn and Holliday to Miami led to their run defense becoming much better. 6'5, 290, experience in the 3-4. He is 31, and he did have the little thing with Coles this year, but those aren't major concerns, imo. He'd be a huge upgrade over Kimo (then again, so would anyone), and would allow us to develop a young linemen instead of rushing him into the lineup his first year.

Here's a little history of Quinn: http://thejetsblog.com/?p=1811#more-1811

JeffWeaverFan

02-07-07, 10:24 AM

I know nothing about the guy, but I like the sound of him. And I trust Mangini to get the right people here.

JeffWeaverFan

02-07-07, 11:05 AM

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2757050

• We hear that the Jets may go after Patriots OLB Tully Banta-Cain (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6575) in free agency and that the Patriots may be willing to let him go after he was effectively benched in his last two playoff games -- against San Diego and Indianapolis.

• We hear the Jets were a bit surprised that Richie Anderson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=2508) left for Arizona to be the Cardinals' TE coach after just one year as the Jets' assistant WR-TE coach. Word is Anderson is a rising star in the coaching ranks, and this move has put him on the fast track up the coaching ladder.

• Word is the league quietly informed the Jets and Patriots that the tampering charge regarding Deion Branch (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5951) from early September that was filed against the Jets by New England had been denied. We hear that the NFL determined that the Jets' conduct did not violate league policy, negating any claim of injury by New England.

AMYanks

02-07-07, 11:08 AM

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2757050

I'm not sure if I want the Jets to go after Banta-Cain. If the Jets are to add a LB, I'd want it to be a top pass-rusher. Unless of course Banta-Cain comes cheap, and he's signed to replace Kassell in the rotation. Then I'd have no problem with it.

AMYanks

02-07-07, 12:31 PM

I like the ESPN.com article on Quinn's hiring.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2757128

Highly-regarded defensive line assistant Dan Quinn, fired by the Miami Dolphins last week, has agreed to join the staff of New York Jets coach Eric Manigini in the same capacity.

Quinn, 36, spent the last two years on coach Nick Saban's staff with the Dolphins. He had one year remaining on his contract with Miami, but according to reports, was dismissed by new coach Cam Cameron when he declined to sign a new, two-year contract.

It is believed Quinn's deal with the Jets is for two seasons. He was contacted by several NFL teams after the Dolphins fired him and interviewed with New York officials late last week.

In Quinn's two seasons with the Dolphins, the defense statistically finished No. 18 and No. 4 in total defense and averaged 48 sacks a season. And that was working with one of the oldest lines in the NFL.

With the Jets, Quinn, known as an excellent teacher, will work with a much younger line as the Jets in 2007 move into the second season of their transition to a 3-4 front.

Quinn will replace longtime defensive line coach Denny Marcin, who is expected to retire or be reassigned within the organization.

A college defensive lineman at Division III Salisbury State (1990-93), Quinn coach six seasons at the college level before joining the San Francisco 49ers staff in 2001. He was then hired by Saban in 2004.

There's some good things in there, like being a highly-regarded coach at only 36 years of age, and being known as a great teacher... but my favorite part is that he was fired because he wouldn't sign a 2-year deal with the Dolphins, and then once he's fired he turns around and signs a 2-year deal with the Jets. He was born and raised in this area, he must be a Jets fan. :lol:

Seriously though, I think he'll be the DL Coach for 1-2 years, and once Sutton retires, he'll take over as DC. It sounds like he's well thought of across the entire league, wouldn't want to lose him.

JeffWeaverFan

02-07-07, 06:46 PM

I hope he has a good relationship with Vonnie Holliday, he is one FA I'd like to see us go after. The arrival of Quinn and Holliday to Miami led to their run defense becoming much better. 6'5, 290, experience in the 3-4. He is 31, and he did have the little thing with Coles this year, but those aren't major concerns, imo. He'd be a huge upgrade over Kimo (then again, so would anyone), and would allow us to develop a young linemen instead of rushing him into the lineup his first year.
From the same article I posted above:

• Though he'll be an unrestricted free agent, Dolphins DE Vonnie Holliday (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4282) told PFW that he would prefer to stay in South Florida, and the return of defensive coordinator Dom Capers is a big reason why. "No one wants to rebuild and go through that whole process of learning a new defense, but it happens," he said. "But the opportunity to come back here and continue to play on a team that I'm very familiar with and for Coach Dom Capers, a guy I've gotten to know very well over the last year and who I have tremendous respect for, would be an excellent opportunity and one I look forward to."

JWHIII

02-08-07, 08:02 AM

I'm not sure if I want the Jets to go after Banta-Cain. If the Jets are to add a LB, I'd want it to be a top pass-rusher. Unless of course Banta-Cain comes cheap, and he's signed to replace Kassell in the rotation. Then I'd have no problem with it.
Does Kassell play on the outside? Banta-Cain's real, maybe only, strength is rushing the QB. He played well at times last season, but is probably best suited to be a situational pass rusher and special teamer where he has excelled in the past.

TheoShmeo

02-09-07, 07:21 AM

Does Kassell play on the outside? Banta-Cain's real, maybe only, strength is rushing the QB. He played well at times last season, but is probably best suited to be a situational pass rusher and special teamer where he has excelled in the past.
Exactly. Banta-Cain looks great in flashes as he has a knack for picking up sacks, but he also disappears for large segments of games. That the Pats started the thoroughly unremarkable Eric Alexander over him against Indy speaks volumes about what they think of him. Then again, Mangini seems enamored with former Patriots on the defensive side of the ball. Matt Chatham never got much PT in NE and he got a lot of time in NY, so him going after getting Banta-Cain, never mind Assante Samuel, wouldn't surprise me.

NYY EcKo151

02-13-07, 10:47 AM

I would happily pass on Banta-Cain. He isn't much of an upgrade over Hobson, i'd argue that Hobson is better.

My ideal scenario would for Hobson to move inside and address the OLB with a FA or draftee. Because I believe Barton gets cut due to his cap number, but if he does stay, let him and Hobson battle on the inside, the loser being the top depth guy...

Prickly Pete

02-14-07, 12:59 PM

Brian Daboll, who has been the receivers coach for the Patriots from 2002-2006, is leaving the team to join the New York Jets, according to league sources.

Daboll spent the last seven seasons with the Patriots, with his first two seasons coming as a defensive coaching assistant.

In New York, he will be reunited with former Patriots defensive coordinator Eric Mangini. In the days leading up to the two games played between the Patriots and Jets in 2006, Mangini had high praise for Daboll.
Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2007/02/daboll_to_jets.html)

AMYanks

02-14-07, 02:33 PM

Another good coaching move by Mangini. Seems like a really good coach, Pats fans on a Jets site were saying that he's good. Evidentially there's some good things about him in that book "Patriot Reign". It'll be interesting to see what position he'll coach, since Noel Mazzone is our current WR, and a very good one.

I think there's a chance Daboll is going to be groomed as the next OC (Schotty should get a job in another year or two), and Quinn groomed as the next DC.

Btw, Daboll, like Quinn, is bald with a goatee. :lol:

http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=coachbio&bio=11753

AMYanks

02-14-07, 10:29 PM

http://thejetsblog.com/

Brian Daboll to Join the Jets Staff

So you know that guy you always see on the sidelines of Patriots game who looks like a longshoreman, all dressed up in a sweatshirt, full beard and stocking cap? I have to admit, every time I see him standing on the sideline shouting at Offensive Linemen or whoever in his cap, I think two things; who is this guy and what the crap is his deal?

His name is Brian Daboll, and by all acounts he’s a pretty good coach. Well guess what? Mike Reiss has reported today on his Patriots’ blog that Daboll, who is the Patriot’s WR coach, is going to join the Jets’ staff to take on similar duties. From reading his bio on the Patriots’ website, here’s an interesting tidbit:

Daboll originally joined the Patriots in February of 2000 when he was named a defensive coaching assistant. Daboll held that role for two seasons and was primarily responsible for preparing film breakdowns for each upcoming opponent, including comprehensive opponent scouting charts for Coach Belichick and the defensive coaches. The preparation and study of opponent offensive game tendencies during his first two seasons with the Patriots provided unique training for his first positional responsibilities in 2002.

So, basically someone who has learned to do analysis on a team’s strengths and weaknesses and exploit them… sound familiar?

Daboll’s career has taken him from William & Mary to Michigan State under Nick Saban, and the Patriots for over four years. Daboll worked heavily with the development of Deion Branch and David Givens, which could be great for some of the Jets project receivers like Brad Smith, Wallace Wright, but also good for a guy like Cotchery who still has plenty to learn.

With a young Josh McDaniels firmly entrenched in the OC role under Belichick, this seems like a good career option for Daboll, who might have a chance to move upwards in a shorter time with the Jets than the Pats. This also brings in a protege for Schottenheimer in keeping with the mold of the team, something that I didn’t really see on the coaching staff until now, which was one of the most disastrous points should Schottenheimer have taken the Dolphins job in January. Should Schottenheimer leave in a year or two, it’s my opinion that Daboll provides a possible insruance policy for the organization that could provide a softer offensive transition.

Also, here's a good article praising Daboll's work with the Pats:

http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=178318&srvc=sports

JeffWeaverFan

02-14-07, 10:58 PM

I'm starting to realize (well, not actually starting to) why Belichick really didn't want Mangenius to become the Jets head coach.:D

TheoShmeo

02-15-07, 02:00 PM

I'm starting to realize (well, not actually starting to) why Belichick really didn't want Mangenius to become the Jets head coach.:D
I think BB cooled down once he realized how much better Dean Pees was as defensive coordinator.

JeffWeaverFan

02-15-07, 10:27 PM

I think BB cooled down once he realized how much better Dean Pees was as defensive coordinator.
If he hadn't realized that by week 10, then no, I don't think that's the case. Or did he realize it after week 10? When did he realize it? Did he realize it after he managed to say Mangini's name come the end of the season?

dabomb2045

02-15-07, 11:35 PM

I think BB cooled down once he realized how much better Dean Pees was as defensive coordinator.

Yeah well lets see Dean Pees turn around a team like Mangini did with the Jets

TheoShmeo

02-16-07, 03:56 AM

Yeah well lets see Dean Pees turn around a team like Mangini did with the Jets
yeah, well, let's hold off on the canton bust until we see how the genius fares in year two!

Anyone would be a breath of fresh air and sunshine after the idiot Herm Edwards!

TheoShmeo

02-16-07, 04:11 AM

If he hadn't realized that by week 10, then no, I don't think that's the case. Or did he realize it after week 10? When did he realize it? Did he realize it after he managed to say Mangini's name come the end of the season?
I think he realized that Pees was a better coordinator and that he was better off from a defensive point of view all along.

What changed was that Belichick was slow to realize that by publicly dissing the Jets coach, that he was giving the Jets players a rallying point, a rare tactical/motivational error for the afficianado of the Art of War.

Pepper03

02-16-07, 05:49 AM

Mangini may well turn out to be a great coach and certainly did well his first year, but following Herm Edwards wouldn't anyone be better?

It was common knowledge around here when EM was the DC of the Pats that BB took over calling plays from him at points during the season, and that there were players pretty unhappy with how the defense was being run.

dabomb2045

02-16-07, 11:32 AM

yeah, well, let's hold off on the canton bust until we see how the genius fares in year two!

Anyone would be a breath of fresh air and sunshine after the idiot Herm Edwards!

So you are saying that anyone could have won 10 games with a flawed roster like Mangini did with the Jets??

Nobody is saying put him in the HOF. But he did a great job this year. Not surprisingly some Pats fans cant admit it.

TheoShmeo

02-16-07, 11:41 AM

So you are saying that anyone could have won 10 games with a flawed roster like Mangini did with the Jets??

Nobody is saying put him in the HOF. But he did a great job this year. Not surprisingly some Pats fans cant admit it.
Utter manure. As Pep wrote, Mangini did very well in 2006. No one debates that. But it's one season (and a season in which the Pats and Jets had pretty easy schedules), which makes the name man-genius look stuff look like typical Jets fans overreactions.

Belichick is BAAAAAAADDD man!

Mangini is the greatest coach EVA! A genius!

Cue it all up.

And no matter what, anyone following that half-wit Edwards was going to look good simply by not mismanaging the two minute offense at least three times during the season.

Mark19

02-16-07, 11:45 AM

Utter manure. As Pep wrote, Mangini did very well in 2006. No one debates that. But it's one season (and a season in which the Pats and Jets had pretty easy schedules), which makes the name man-genius look stuff look like typical Jets fans overreactions.

Belichick is BAAAAAAADDD man!

Mangini is the greatest coach EVA! A genius!

Cue it all up.

And no matter what, anyone following that half-wit Edwards was going to look good simply by not mismanaging the two minute offense at least three times during the season.

Yes yes, we've heard your schtick already. Mangini was addition by subtraction and Belichick could be a serial killer but it wouldn't matter to you as long as he takes you to the postseason.

dabomb2045

02-16-07, 11:50 AM

Utter manure. As Pep wrote, Mangini did very well in 2006. No one debates that. But it's one season (and a season in which the Pats and Jets had pretty easy schedules), which makes the name man-genius look stuff look like typical Jets fans overreactions.

Belichick is BAAAAAAADDD man!

Mangini is the greatest coach EVA! A genius!

Cue it all up.

And no matter what, anyone following that half-wit Edwards was going to look good simply by not mismanaging the two minute offense at least three times during the season.

Nobody said Mangini is the greatest coach ever. But we are talking about a franchise that in its history has had some terrible coaches. Joe Walton, Coslet, Kotite, Carroll, Groh, Edwards to name a few. I didnt think it was a crime for a fanbase to be excited about FINALLY having a coaching staff in here that has a clue and knows what the hell is going on.

"Typical Jets fan overreactions"?? Time to get back on that high horse with your other Pats fans.

TheoShmeo

02-16-07, 11:53 AM

Yes yes, we've heard your schtick already. Mangini was addition by subtraction and Belichick could be a serial killer but it wouldn't matter to you as long as he takes you to the postseason.
Overstatement but you're right, I don't give a crap whether BB is a great humanitarian. The irony is that I'm quite sure you'll learn that Eric is no saint either and will eventually have to admit that you don't really care or be intellectually honest and criticize him. But if he ends up being just OK, you wont have to confront that, because he'll be gone.

As to addition by subtraction, I don't really know. The Pats players have generally stated that Pees is a better coordinator, and they did give up their fewest points ever this season. So they are probably better off with Pees.

That said, I'd rather that none of BB's tree ended up coaching in the AFC East, because it's harder to play against guys who knows the Pats and their system, and I don't pretend that I'm glad that Mangini coaches the Jets. I also think he's a very bright guy and long for the days of Herm and am glad that Nick Saban is gone from Miami.

TheoShmeo

02-16-07, 11:57 AM

Nobody said Mangini is the greatest coach ever. But we are talking about a franchise that in its history has had some terrible coaches. Joe Walton, Coslet, Kotite, Carroll, Groh, Edwards to name a few. I didnt think it was a crime for a fanbase to be excited about FINALLY having a coaching staff in here that has a clue and knows what the hell is going on.

"Typical Jets fan overreactions"?? Time to get back on that high horse with your other Pats fans.
Fair. Eric is MUCH better than all of those guys.

Being excited is of course normal and fine.

That said, the crowning of Mangini as being one of the best in the NFL by some here and the demonization of BB has been typical Jets fans overreaction. I have lots of friends who are Jets fans and go to lots of Jets games, and I've been hearing these overreactions for years. If that puts me on a high horse, I'm fine with that. Many Jets fans that I know laugh about that themselves. Just like Sox fans laugh at themselves for being too pessimistic when things go a little south. Maybe, just maybe, you're being a little oversensitive here.

dabomb2045

02-16-07, 12:12 PM

Fair. Eric is MUCH better than all of those guys.

Being excited is of course normal and fine.

That said, the crowning of Mangini as being one of the best in the NFL by some here and the demonization of BB has been typical Jets fans overreaction. I have lots of friends who are Jets fans and go to lots of Jets games, and I've been hearing these overreactions for years. If that puts me on a high horse, I'm fine with that. Many Jets fans that I know laugh about that themselves. Just like Sox fans laugh at themselves for being too pessimistic when things go a little south. Maybe, just maybe, you're being a little oversensitive here.

First off I think you have to remember why we all hate BB. All the stuff we bring up about him being a "mean guy" or whatever is all fluff really. Bottom line....he screwed us. He abandoned the Jets after being given the HC position, took a job within the division and has built a dynasty. After he skipped town we were stuck with Al Groh followed by Herm Edwards. You've won 3 titles since then. We've won 2 playoff games. All of that tends to develop bitterness. If we had won a championship since then, I would have been able to get over it. But we havent. The Pats have been winners....and the Jets continued to be losers. Who knows what would have happened if BB stayed here. Maybe he turns the Jets into a dynasty, or maybe he does what he did in Cleveland which was absolutely nothing. We dont know.

But the bottom line is that he did bail on us....and built a dynasty with one of our rivals. This is why I hate him. Its typical Jets luck.

I'm sure Pats fans would have felt the same way if Parcells won 3 rings with us after bailing on you.

TheoShmeo

02-16-07, 12:26 PM

First off I think you have to remember why we all hate BB. All the stuff we bring up about him being a "mean guy" or whatever is all fluff really. Bottom line....he screwed us. He abandoned the Jets after being given the HC position, took a job within the division and has built a dynasty. After he skipped town we were stuck with Al Groh followed by Herm Edwards. You've won 3 titles since then. We've won 2 playoff games. All of that tends to develop bitterness. If we had won a championship since then, I would have been able to get over it. But we havent. The Pats have been winners....and the Jets continued to be losers. Who knows what would have happened if BB stayed here. Maybe he turns the Jets into a dynasty, or maybe he does what he did in Cleveland which was absolutely nothing. We dont know.

But the bottom line is that he did bail on us....and built a dynasty with one of our rivals. This is why I hate him. Its typical Jets luck.

I'm sure Pats fans would have felt the same way if Parcells won 3 rings with us after bailing on you.
It's true that I might feel the same way. My view, from the other side, is

A - he bailed because there was a fundamental flaw in his relationship with Parcells

B- Parcells is a very complex and selfish guy

C - That BB left Parcells is understandable as a result

D - The irony is that Belichick got to NY via Parcells, who left NE high and dry when he opened discussions with NY while the Pats were contending for the SB! Not saying Pats would have won that game, but Parcells' dalliance didn't help.

E - As a result of D, that NY got the short end years later doesn't resonate with Pats fans, because the NYJ should never have gotten Parcells (and BB) the way that they got them.

But, your post if very honest and I understand why Jets fans would feel ticked off at BB because of that. It certainly beats all the noise about BB not shaking hands nicely or not referring to Eric by name or disrespecting LDT or the rest of the nonsense we've been subjected to.

dabomb2045

02-16-07, 12:47 PM

It's true that I might feel the same way. My view, from the other side, is

A - he bailed because there was a fundamental flaw in his relationship with Parcells

B- Parcells is a very complex and selfish guy

C - That BB left Parcells is understandable as a result

D - The irony is that Belichick got to NY via Parcells, who left NE high and dry when he opened discussions with NY while the Pats were contending for the SB! Not saying Pats would have won that game, but Parcells' dalliance didn't help.

E - As a result of D, that NY got the short end years later doesn't resonate with Pats fans, because the NYJ should never have gotten Parcells (and BB) the way that they got them.

But, your post if very honest and I understand why Jets fans would feel ticked off at BB because of that. It certainly beats all the noise about BB not shaking hands nicely or not referring to Eric by name or disrespecting LDT or the rest of the nonsense we've been subjected to.

The only thing I'll say is that I think Pats fans should be "over" the Parcells defection. I would think those 3 championships you won since then would have made it just a part of the past thats been buried. For example...losing to the Mariners in 1995 and the firing of Showalter (which I thought was a joke at the time) would probably still piss me off if the Yanks went into the toilet in the following years. But the Yanks won 4 rings....so its something that I dont even think about anymore.

Like I said...if the Jets had won even one championship since the BB situation happened, I dont think it would bother me anymore at all. Its the fact that we havent won since then, that the franchise went into the toilet for 6 years being run by fools like Groh, Edwards and Terry Bradway, and that the team that BB went to won 3 championships thats killing me.

TheoShmeo

02-16-07, 12:54 PM

The only thing I'll say is that I think Pats fans should be "over" the Parcells defection. I would think those 3 championships you won would have made it just a part of the past thats been buried.

Like I said...if the Jets had won even one championship since the BB situation happened, I dont think it would bother me anymore at all. Its the fact that we havent won since then, that the franchise went into the toilet for 6 years being run by fools like Groh, Edwards and Terry Bradway, and that the team that BB went to won 3 championships thats killing me.
All the great things that happened to the Pats after BB joined them don't change the fact that Parcells acted selfishly and contrary to his "no-I-in-team" mantra.

That said, I am over it and most Pats fans are, too. I'm just noting the irony that Jets fans are angry that BB came to NE as he did when BB never would have been a Jet employee in the first place had Parcells not done something very similar to what Jets fans are complaining about. If you hadn't raised BB and NE, I wouldn't have raised Parcells.

That said, I'm glad that BB and Parcells have patched things up. Not because I care that they be friends but because Parcells can be a good resource.

dabomb2045

02-16-07, 12:56 PM

AMYanks

02-16-07, 01:10 PM

From PFT:

THE REAL DEAL ON DABOLL

There has been much confusion over the past few days regarding why and how the Jets were able to pilfer Pats assistant coach Brian Daboll, who most recently coached the team's receivers and previously was a defensive assistant.

Per a league source, Daboll wanted to be the quarterbacks coach, and head coach Bill Belichick declined the request.

Coincidentally, Daboll's contract was expired. And so he left.

So I guess he'll be the QB coach here.

Pepper03

02-16-07, 04:22 PM

All the great things that happened to the Pats after BB joined them don't change the fact that Parcells acted selfishly and contrary to his "no-I-in-team" mantra.

That said, I am over it and most Pats fans are, too. I'm just noting the irony that Jets fans are angry that BB came to NE as he did when BB never would have been a Jet employee in the first place had Parcells not done something very similar to what Jets fans are complaining about. If you hadn't raised BB and NE, I wouldn't have raised Parcells.

That said, I'm glad that BB and Parcells have patched things up. Not because I care that they be friends but because Parcells can be a good resource.

Well said.

They're all probably not the nicest guys in person, who knows, but to be lectured by Jets fans about the evil BB is ironic as best.

Parcells raked the Pats, BB raked the Jets. Luckily for Pats fans, we got the better of the deal.

Are Pats fans over Parcells? You bet I am! Do I like him-no way. My only concern as a Pats fan is losing players and coaches to a division rival, but I'm sure with a full off-season to adjust the Pats will be just fine.

I have no ill will towards the Jets, as a matter of fact before this postseason I was happy to see them turning around since I have some good friends who are Jets fans. I don't feel quite that way anymore.

dabomb2045

02-16-07, 05:11 PM

Well said.

They're all probably not the nicest guys in person, who knows, but to be lectured by Jets fans about the evil BB is ironic as best.

Parcells raked the Pats, BB raked the Jets. Luckily for Pats fans, we got the better of the deal.

Are Pats fans over Parcells? You bet I am! Do I like him-no way. My only concern as a Pats fan is losing players and coaches to a division rival, but I'm sure with a full off-season to adjust the Pats will be just fine.

I have no ill will towards the Jets, as a matter of fact before this postseason I was happy to see them turning around since I have some good friends who are Jets fans. I don't feel quite that way anymore.

Its not lecturing....I'm just telling you why most Jets fans hate BB. Its not gonna change until we win a championship.

You have to understand that Jets fans are probably some of the most bitter fans in sports. Nothing ever goes our way....we always get screwed whether its by opponents, the refs, or our own coaches and players. In that sense I can relate to pre-2004 Sox fans. We expect the worst to happen and it always does. I think thats why alot of post with an angry tone during the season....its cuz we are either mad or just expecting something bad to happen. It doesnt help that the team we hate the most always wins.

AMYanks

02-21-07, 07:32 PM

http://blogs.nydailynews.com/jets/

February 20, 2007
Source: Poteat Re-Signs
This isn’t going to knock the Jeter/A-Rod soap opera off the back page, but the Jets have re-signed starting CB Hank Poteat, according to an NFL source.

It’s not Asante Samuel or Nate Clements, but at least they retained a cornerback who knows the system and coach Eric Mangini.

Poteat didn’t break the bank, receiving a one-year, $635,000 contract that includes $40,000 in bonus money. Obviously, this is small potatoes compared to some of the crazy money that will be thrown around in nine days, when the free-agent market opens.

Poteat was eligible to become an unrestricted free agent. He experienced an eventful 2006, having been released by the Patriots and Jets before re-signing with the Jets in October. Eventually, he emerged as the starter at right corner, a position that became a virtual merry-go-round for the Jets. He was the fourth player to start at that spot, following David Barrett, Justin Miller and Drew Coleman.

Hammering Hank (only kidding) started seven games, including the wild-card playoff game in New England. After having been cut seven times in his career, give or take a cut or two, Poteat opted for some stability. He’s comfortable with Mangini, having played under him in New England.

This modest contract, of course, doesn’t guarantee Poteat a spot on the roster. The Jets have six corners under contract (Andre Dyson and Alphonso Hodge are the others), and they’re expected to seek further upgrades.

Bye Bye Barlow
In a move that was expected for weeks, even months, the Jets have parted ways with running back Kevan Barlow. His agent, Doug Hendrickson, confirmed Barlow’s release today to the Daily News. The team likely will make the official announcement later this afternoon.

If you’re surprised by Barlow’s ouster, you haven’t been paying attention. Barlow, acquired from the 49ers in a preseason trade, was a disappointment in his only season in New York. By the end of the season, he wasn’t even playing. He was inactive in four of the last five games.

Barlow rushed for only 370 yards on 131 attempts, a 2.8 average - the worst per-carry average in the NFL for backs with at least 100 rushes. As a matter of fact, it was the lowest for a Jets back in 43 years, dating to Bill Mathis’ 2.5 average in 1963.

The Jets traded for Barlow at a weak moment, late in the preseason when it became apparent that Curtis Martin (knee) wasn’t going to be ready for the season. They sent a fourth-round pick to the 49ers. In retrospect, it wasn’t one of Mike Tannenbaum’s finer moments as GM.

The Jets didn’t have to cut Barlow for salary-cap reasons (they’re more than $20 million under the cap), but his departure will clear his $3.25 million base salary off the books. Ah, but they will get socked with some “dead” money, which usually doesn’t happen with players that came in a trade. (No signing bonus proration for the new team.)

The Jets restructured Barlow’s contract last September, guaranteeing $1 million of his $2.5 million salary in 2006. Why they did that, I’m not sure. A good-faith gesture, I suppose. By doing so, they created a proration effect with the $1 million. Bottom line: The remaining portion accelerates into this year’s cap and they get hit with $666,000 on the cap.

Net savings: $2.6 million.

But say this for Barlow: Although he came to New York with a reputation as a malcontent (remember his infamous “Hitler” quote that was directed at Niners coach Mike Nolan?), he never complained about his lack of playing time. He also was the Jets’ best short-yardage back, scoring six touchdowns.

Barlow shined in the Jets’ upset win in New England, rushing for a season-high 75 yards in the Foxborough muck, but, curiously, his role was reduced after that game. Maybe, if Eric Mangini had continued to ride him, things would’ve turned out differently.

In the end, it didn’t make any sense to pay $3.25 million to a backup running back that can’t play special teams.

He won’t be the only one to get whacked. Players such as RB Derrick Blaylock, WR Justin McCareins, CB David Barrett, QB Patrick Ramsey and WR Tim Dwight are on the bubble.

* * *

This just in: The Jets finally announced their new coaching hires. What took so long? No surprises here, just the names that have been in the papers for the last month or so.

One interesting note: Brian Daboll, formerly the Patriots’ WR coach, will coach the Jets’ quarterbacks. Coordinator Brian Schottenheimer handled that duty last season, and really seemed to connect with Chad Pennington. Daboll is very close with Mangini and no doubt is being groomed as Schottenheimer’s eventual replacement - assuming Schotty moves on to take a head-coaching job in 2007 or 2008.

Teague's Out, Too
In addition to RB Kevan Barlow, the Jets also have released C/G Trey Teague, the Daily News has learned.

Teague never played a down for the Jets after signing a free-agent contract last year after four seasons as a starter with the Bills. Teague broke an ankle in a spring minicamp and underwent surgery, never making it to the field. The silver lining was that it opened the door for rookie Nick Mangold, who went on to have a terrific season.

Obviously, without a veteran like Teague in the mix, the Jets will be looking to upgrade their offensive-line depth.

PinstripePride

02-21-07, 08:35 PM

Thanks for the updates/information.

BillBuckner

02-21-07, 09:02 PM

Good riddance Barlow.

JeffWeaverFan

02-21-07, 11:52 PM

I like the Poteat re-signing. He ended up playing very well for us.

RIyankee

02-22-07, 09:13 AM

I like the Poteat re-signing. He ended up playing very well for us.

I speak from experience when I say: If Poteat is getting significant PT with the regs, your secondary needs to improve. Poteat is a good tackler, which is why BB kept him around, but his career YPA makes him a liability in coverage.

Snatch Catch

02-22-07, 09:13 AM

Any more news on the Turner front?

AMYanks

02-22-07, 11:40 AM

I speak from experience when I say: If Poteat is getting significant PT with the regs, your secondary needs to improve. Poteat is a good tackler, which is why BB kept him around, but his career YPA makes him a liability in coverage.

He played much better in coverage for the Jets than he did for the Pats, I guess. He totally shutdown his man against GB, Minnesota, and played real well in a few other games.

AMYanks

02-22-07, 11:43 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/499693p-421348c.html

The Jets made two long-anticipated cuts yesterday, releasing running back Kevan Barlow and offensive lineman Trey Teague. The real story is what comes next.

With their roster set for now - no further cuts are expected before the start of free agency in eight days - the Jets will be keeping a close eye on Adalius Thomas' negotiations with the Ravens. If Baltimore allows the All-Pro linebacker to reach the open market, the Jets will be among several interested suitors.

The Jets' current regime isn't known for chasing the big names, but it evidently believes Thomas is worth a look-see. Thomas (11 sacks), arguably the best player on the league's top-ranked defense, plays multiple positions and would fit nicely into Eric Mangini's system.

It's not clear whether the Jets would get into a bidding war for Thomas, who may command $7 million a year, but they have more than $20 million in salary-cap room if they decide to get involved. Baltimore could use the franchise tag on Thomas; today is the deadline.

The Jets realized a net savings of about $3.1 million by releasing Barlow and Teague. Barlow, who was due $3.25 million in 2007, rejected a proposed pay cut. The Jets haven't shut the door on re-signing Barlow at a later date.

Barlow, obtained for a fourth-round pick last August, was supposed to help fill the void created by Curtis Martin's career-threatening knee injury, but he rushed for only 370 yards on 131 carries. The 2.8 average was the lowest in the NFL (minimum 100 attempts), and the worst by any Jets back in 43 years. But he did lead the Jets with six rushing TD's.

Meanwhile, recently hired Brian Daboll, formerly the Patriots' receivers coach, will coach the Jets' quarterbacks. Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer handled that duty last season.

If there's one player I hope the Jets open up the wallet for, it's Thomas. Big time playmaker with a lot of 3-4 experience who's versatile. He's 30, but doesn't have a lot of mileage on him.

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMjEmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcwODE0ODgmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2

The Jets also are believed to be considering wearing the uniforms of the 1960-62 New York Titans for one of their home games in the regular season. The opponent likely will be another original American Football League team, the Patriots, Bills or Chiefs.

#1PaFan

02-22-07, 05:12 PM

I speak from experience when I say: If Poteat is getting significant PT with the regs, your secondary needs to improve. Poteat is a good tackler, which is why BB kept him around, but his career YPA makes him a liability in coverage.

You're bustin on my Homeboy, man! :mad:

Hank can get the job done. :) :gulp:

JeffWeaverFan

02-22-07, 08:58 PM

Adalius Thomas was not franchised so unless the Ravens work out a long term deal, we'll have our chance to sign him. I'd love to get him.

PinstripePride

02-23-07, 04:51 PM

You're bustin on my Homeboy, man! :mad:

Hank can get the job done. :) :gulp:

Man-crush, George?

and this is off topic, but I can't help but laugh everytime I hear Adalius Thomas' name, because my friend used to call him Genitalius Thomas. :lol:

dabomb2045

02-23-07, 08:18 PM

Adalius Thomas was not franchised so unless the Ravens work out a long term deal, we'll have our chance to sign him. I'd love to get him.

We need to go all out for him....he would be a perfect fit for our system

AMYanks

02-23-07, 09:35 PM

RIyankee

02-24-07, 02:20 AM

Adalius Thomas was not franchised so unless the Ravens work out a long term deal, we'll have our chance to sign him. I'd love to get him.

Ozzie Newsome is the most overrated GM in the league.

JeffWeaverFan

02-24-07, 11:28 AM

According to people who watched NFL Total Access (I'll try to confirm when the replay is on), Adam Schefter reported the Jets will go HARD after Adalius Thomas. Mangini sees him as the big playmaker on our defense that we can build around. Schefter didn't mention any other teams, all he said was that it would be the Jets that are going to go all out to sign him.

EDIT: Just saw it for myself, and I can confirm everything I posted. Schefter said the Jets will make a big effort to sign Adalius Thomas.
Awesome. On espnews they were saying that the 49ers would go hard after him, and the Browns would like him too.

The Jets have to do what it takes to sign this guy. He's exactly what we need.

Also, Mangini has already named Chad the starter. Personally, I think after being another year removed from his shoulder surgery, he's going to really improve this year and not throw as many picks.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2777832

Chad Pennington (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5047), the 2006 NFL Comeback Player of the Year, earned an even more meaningful honor on Friday -- his coach declared him to be the New York Jets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyj)' starting quarterback entering next season.

"Chad did an outstanding job for us as the starter and he is the starter," coach Eric Mangini told reporters at the NFL Scouting Combine.

AMYanks

02-26-07, 07:18 PM

Looks like Adalius will be heading to SF when FA starts.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

POSTED 7:10 p.m. EST, February 26, 2007

ADALIUS HAS A DEALIO?

An industry source tells us that Ravens linebacker Adalius Thomas already has a deal in place with the San Francisco 49ers.

Thomas and Niners coach Mike Nolan were together in Baltimore, when Nolan was on Brian Billick's staff.

On Sunday, Thomas admitted that the Ravens "don't have the money" to re-sign him.

dabomb2045

02-26-07, 07:28 PM

That really blows :(

JeffWeaverFan

02-26-07, 07:30 PM

Looks like Adalius will be heading to SF when FA starts.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
Damnit. I hope it's not true...

edit: Although, this guy is definitely going to cost a fortune to sign. May not be worth it, although I think he would fit perfectly on our 3-4 defense.

AMYanks

02-28-07, 12:07 AM

http://blogs.nydailynews.com/jets/

February 27, 2007

Source: Ramsey Gone By Weekend

This doesn’t qualify as a bombshell, but it deserves a quick update: Backup QB Patrick Ramsey is expected to be cut or traded by the weekend, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

With a $1.4 million roster bonus due Saturday, Ramsey is an obvious candidate to be jettisoned. The Jets are trying to trade Ramsey before the deadline. Failing that, they will release him and clear $2.1 million in cap space. For obvious reasons, they don’t want to pay the roster bonus.

In recent days, there had been some thought among industry insiders that the Jets might keep Ramsey because of the paucity of available quarterbacks. Not so, apparently.

The Jets traded a sixth-round pick to the Redskins last offseason for Ramsey, thinking he would compete with Chad Pennington for the starting job. He competed all right … for about a week in training camp. At that point, it became apparent that Ramsey was going to ride the bench.

With second-year QB Kellen Clemens expected to win the No. 2 job, the Jets don’t want to pay $2.1 million to a fading veteran. Thing is, they will need another veteran as insurance and to compete with Clemens.

I’m also hearing there’s a good chance that DE Kimo von Oelhoffen, 36, will be released by the weekend. He’s due a $600,000 roster bonus Friday, and it’s believed the Jets are trying to get him to swallow a pay cut. If they keep him at his current contract, he’d make about $2.5 million in 2007, a ridiculous amount for a one-dimensional player (if that) who should consider retirement.

Kimo von Old, who recorded only 28 tackles and one sack last season, received a $3.2 million signing bonus last year as a free agent. Why the Jets gave him that much, I’ll never know. If Kimo and Ramsey get whacked, it won’t be a good week for GM Mike Tannenbaum, who brought them here as part of his first offseason class.

On the negotiating front, there appears to be a glimmer of hope that RT Anthony Clement could re-sign before he hits the open market Friday as an unrestricted free agent. Clement’s agent, Mason Ashe, wrote in an E-mail, “I’ve had ongoing constructive dialogue with the Jets’ management over the last few days.” He declined further comment.

Snatch Catch

02-28-07, 09:14 AM

What does everyone think of Chris Henry of Arizona? Looks like he had a ridiculous workout...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2779993

Arizona RB Chris Henry was the most pleasant surprise of the running backs on Sunday. At 5-11 and 230 pounds, Henry ran the fastest 40-yard dash time (4.33) of his group. He also recorded the longest broad jump (10-9), second-fastest long shuttle (11.51 seconds) and the third-fastest short shuttle (4.14). Henry was a surprise early entry in this year's class because he did not want to return to a new spread offense being installed at Arizona. After Sunday's exceptional showing, scouts across the league will go back to their facilities and take a much longer look at Henry's shortened collegiate career before tagging him with a new draft grade.

He looks very intriguing.

AMYanks

02-28-07, 12:16 PM

Jarvis Moss: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflcombineprofile.php?pyid=10554

(Which teams have you talked to?)

I met with quite a few teams. I had 15 interviews last night. I met with the Jets, the Steelers, the Jaguars, the Vikings, the 49ers, quite a few teams.

I had heard that the Jets and Pats had a ton of interest in him at the combine. I really hope he's there when the Jets pick, I think he'd be a great 3-4 pass-rushing OLB. There's a ton of them in this draft, and Moss is near the top of my list.

RIyankee

02-28-07, 12:41 PM

Jarvis Moss: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflcombineprofile.php?pyid=10554

I had heard that the Jets and Pats had a ton of interest in him at the combine. I really hope he's there when the Jets pick, I think he'd be a great 3-4 pass-rushing OLB. There's a ton of them in this draft, and Moss is near the top of my list.

You can have him.

I really hope the Pats pass on him.

He's got character issues (suspended 1 game), lacks bulk, and strength.

Plus, I admit to having a bias against Gators. IMO, I've seen too many of them disappoint in the NFL over the last 10 years.

AMYanks

02-28-07, 06:27 PM

http://blogs.nydailynews.com/jets/

February 28, 2007

Now It's Bye Bye Blaylock

Another one bites the dust.

The latest pink slip goes to backup running back Derrick Blaylock, who was informed today of his release, an NFL source confirmed.

This was no surprise. It ended a disappointing two-year stay in New York.

In 2005, the Jets signed Blaylock to a five-year, $11 million contract, thinking he could replace LaMont Jordan as Curtis Martin’s understudy. The deal included a hefty $3.2 million signing bonus.

In two seasons, Blaylock appeared in only 11 games. In 2005, he was sabotaged by a broken foot. In 2006, he actually opened the season as the starting running back (by default), but he lasted only two games.

In two starts, Blaylock rushed for only 44 yards on 25 carries, an ugly 1.8 average. After that, he ended up in the Mangini Witness Protection program. He didn’t carry the ball again and was inactive for all but two of the remaining games.

By cutting Blaylock, the Jets will get stuck with $1.95 million in “dead” money on the cap.

Also reported on ESPN and NFL Network that the Jets cut DE Bobby Hamilton.

NYY EcKo151

02-28-07, 09:36 PM

With Hamilton cut and likely Kimo. The Jets have to address probably 3 DEs in the draft and maybe acquire a Kenyon Coleman. Because their is no depth at end now, NT is still very weak...Have to beef up the line and address it this offseason, exclusively.

RIyankee

03-01-07, 09:40 AM

The best 3-4 DE in the draft is Adam Carriker (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=8447). Problem is he'll be gone by 25. Jamaal Anderson (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=32815) is also a possibility, but he's likely to be gone by 25 as well, unless the Jets trade up to the middle of round 1 for him, assuming he's still on the board by then.

Here's some 3-4 DE prospects the Jets might take a look at some point in the draft...

Ikaika Alama-Francis (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=18661)
Ryan McBean (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56340)

Overall, the 3-4 DE market is thin in this draft. So, the Jets are likely to target FAs to fill this need. Unfortunately, the FA crop is also thin for 3-4 DEs.

With Hamilton cut and likely Kimo. The Jets have to address probably 3 DEs in the draft and maybe acquire a Kenyon Coleman. Because their is no depth at end now, NT is still very weak...Have to beef up the line and address it this offseason, exclusively.

Agreed.

Kenyon Coleman (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6033) is an excellent choice. He fits like a glove.

JeffWeaverFan

03-01-07, 10:28 AM

Jets have agreed to a contract extension with Jerricho Cotchery, according to 1050 ESPN Radio. No terms have been disclosed yet.

NYY EcKo151

03-01-07, 11:15 AM

Yessir! Happy that he is locked up. Young player, good receiver, and a worker...Good for him and props to Tannenbaum.

keg411

03-01-07, 12:19 PM

WooHoo! Cotchery had a great season last year (and has shown nothing but the ability to be really really good), and I'm glad for the extension. Thank goodness they got that one done quickly.

NYY EcKo151

03-01-07, 10:11 PM

The Jets had reportedly inquired about a trade involving Joey Porter before Porter was released on Thursday.
ESPN's John Clayton says Porter could land in New York if Eric Barton is released. Victor Hobson would then likely move to inside linebacker.

Source: ESPN Insider (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2784938&searchName=clayton_john&campaign=rsssrch&source=john+clayton) Related: Eric Barton (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=854), Victor Hobson (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=910)