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Soriambi
12-25-06, 11:13 AM
A win tonight would be a very nice Christmas present. Though then I'd have to worry for a week about a game against 2-13 Oakland in a "win and you're in" situation. :lol: I hope the Jets win handily tonight. I don't know if I can take a nail-biter. :lol:
(I don't think they'll blow them out, though. The Dolphins are pretty good, and tonight's game makes me very nervous.)
Soriambi
12-25-06, 11:15 AM
Does anyone know the answer to that? If the Jets lose to Miami, is there any possible way for the Jets to still make the playoffs?
I don't know, but it would be awfully nice if NFL.com or somewhere gave you playoff scenarios that were actually useful before the last week of the season. Yeah, it's very helpful to see "The Patriots have clinched the AFC East." Tell me exactly how the Jets can get in (other than winning their last two), if they can. If I were them I'd do a lot more with those playoff scenarios a few weeks earlier.
JeffWeaverFan
12-25-06, 02:27 PM
All I want for Christmas is a Jet win tonight...
Archer1979
12-25-06, 02:45 PM
Thank you everybody. I really appreciate the kind words. Great to be back.
Welcome Back.
Watch the language.
Merry Christmas Taylor!
AMYanks
12-25-06, 07:26 PM
They are wrong. If the Jets win their final 2 games, they will be 10-6. The only other team (besides the division winners) that has a chance to be 10-6 is the Denver Broncos - who will be 10-6 if they win their final game. The best the Bengals, Titans, Chiefs and Jaguars can be is 9-7 as they are all 8-7 right now. If the Jets lose today though, I'm pretty sure we are officially out of it as we don't have any tiebreakers... Except we might have one over KC.
Does anyone know the answer to that? If the Jets lose to Miami, is there any possible way for the Jets to still make the playoffs?
There is a way. The scenarios are really complicated, but one that I do know is that if we end up in a 3-way tie with DEN and KC, we get in because KC knocks out DEN.
EDIT:
These are the official scenarios from the NFL:
IF MIAMI BEATS NY JETS
NY Jets clinch a playoff berth:
1) NYJ win + CIN loss or tie + JAC loss or tie
2) NYJ win + CIN loss or tie + TEN win
3) NYJ win + DEN loss + JAC loss
4) NYJ tie + CIN loss + KC/JAC tie + TEN tie
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 08:13 PM
Time for us to find a new holder for FG attempts
#1PaFan
12-25-06, 08:26 PM
Time for us to find a new holder for FG attempts
Well, that IS some crappy weather.
PinstripePride
12-25-06, 08:37 PM
We look like sh!t. CATCH the f*cking ball.
#1PaFan
12-25-06, 08:40 PM
Man!!! THAT was two of the hardest back-to-back shots I can remember seeing. Hopefully, Coles is OK. DAMN!!!! :eek:
PinstripePride
12-25-06, 08:46 PM
They are ALL over us right now.
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 09:08 PM
That was maybe the worst offensive half of football I've ever seen
Soriambi
12-25-06, 09:10 PM
That was ugly. Just have to win the second half, though.
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 09:13 PM
That was ugly. Just have to win the second half, though.
We are gonna need to throw longer passes then just 5 yards. You do have to take at least a few shots down the field, otherwise the corners will just play tight all the time, jam the receivers, and screw up the short timing routes.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 09:14 PM
We are gonna need to throw longer passes then just 5 yards. You do have to take at least a few shots down the field, otherwise the corners will just play tight all the time, jam the receivers, and screw up the short timing routes.
Agreed. Chad seems way off (whether it's the weather or just being off or it's the Dolphin defense playing well or a combination of the three, I don't know), but they need to take a few chances here and there. Hopefully the defense can keep doing what they're doing. A three and out to start the half would be nice.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 09:16 PM
Saban pulls Harrington. Wow.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 09:18 PM
Ugh. Jets drop an easy pick. If Lemon keeps making passes like those, Harrington could be un-benched real quick.
In Mo I Trust
12-25-06, 09:22 PM
And the Jets hit a big play........
just-blaze
12-25-06, 09:22 PM
Agreed. Chad seems way off
Thats an understatement, it almost like him and Harrington are trying to outperform each other in futility.
This team sure doesnt look like they are playing for the playoffs.
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 09:23 PM
About time they went deep. You have to make the Miami corners respect the deep ball.
just-blaze
12-25-06, 09:24 PM
Saban pulls Harrington. Wow.
For some reason, this is giving me a bad feeling. :(
Soriambi
12-25-06, 09:24 PM
And the Jets hit a big play........
I love the ESPN guys saying it was a "good" challenge. I see no possible way that it could be overturned.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 09:26 PM
I love the ESPN guys saying it was a "good" challenge. I see no possible way that it could be overturned.
That last angle they showed seemed a little bit more inconclusive, but it still looked fairly clear. Come on...
Soriambi
12-25-06, 09:27 PM
Ugh. Come on, Ben. Pin them deep.
Edit: Or kick it about 15 yards to pin them slightly within the 20.
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 09:29 PM
Pennington is killing us....we are gonna need turnovers from our defense, and maybe a defensive score to win this
Soriambi
12-25-06, 09:29 PM
Pennington is killing us....we are gonna need turnovers from our defense, and maybe a defensive score to win this
Possibly. The way it's looking a FG or two could possibly be enough.
#1PaFan
12-25-06, 09:31 PM
Man, I better get to bed. Good luck, Jets Fans! And, Happy Birthday, Kevin!!!
just-blaze
12-25-06, 09:37 PM
Pennington....................
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 09:38 PM
Chad has been horrible, but his receivers arent helping him either. Cotchery has to make that catch.
And we need a safety here, so we can win the game 2-0.
just-blaze
12-25-06, 09:39 PM
Chad has been horrible, but his receivers arent helping him either. Cotchery has to make that catch.
And we need a safety here, so we can win the game 2-0.
He should have caught it, but it was still a bad throw....again.
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 09:44 PM
Cmon offense, we just need ONE good drive.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 09:48 PM
And Chad uses his arm to make a big play.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 09:50 PM
Oh man. What a play by Thomas.
Nugent drives it through. 3-0.
just-blaze
12-25-06, 09:51 PM
Hey, 42 minutes into the game and the death blow that is a field goal finally goes up.
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 09:52 PM
A broken play QB scramble, and a PI call that only happened cuz our QB underthrew the receiver by 15 yards. I guess that qualifies as a good drive in this game.
PinstripePride
12-25-06, 09:53 PM
We've blown a TON of opportunities this game. Chad looks like a flaccid penis.
We need to hope Lemon screws up.
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 09:55 PM
Cmon defense, dont let your guard down just cuz we scored 3 points
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 10:01 PM
Predictably, the defense lets its guard down. Cleo Lemon....Cleo f*cking Lemon :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
PinstripePride
12-25-06, 10:03 PM
Oh God someone named Cleo just put us to shame.
PinstripePride
12-25-06, 10:08 PM
Kevan Barlow is an absolute JOKE.
I want him cut after this game. He is f*cking USELESS.
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 10:14 PM
Chad actually made some good throws.....the throw to Cotchery was right on the money. And thats DEFINETLY a TD, its a ripoff it doesnt get overturned.
PinstripePride
12-25-06, 10:16 PM
HELL YES.
FINALLY a good throw.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:19 PM
Come on, D.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:25 PM
Dammit...get out of the area you morons. Ugh.
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 10:25 PM
You have to be kidding me....get the f*ck away from the ball dumbass
PinstripePride
12-25-06, 10:25 PM
I can't beleive that just happened.
Wait. I can! It's the JETS!
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:27 PM
Okay. Come on, D. Again. Because we can't not make stupid mistakes to put you right back on the field.
just-blaze
12-25-06, 10:27 PM
Nice knowing ya, 55. See you at the local Burger King soon.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:30 PM
Whatever happens, please let it happen fast. Under 4 minutes left.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:31 PM
Come on, D....and they almost get the first. It's 4th and 1.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:34 PM
What are the Jets calling timeout for?
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 10:34 PM
Why did we just waste a timeout there?? We are gonna need it on this last drive of the game. Stupid. Thats very Herm-esque.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:35 PM
10-10 game. Could have been worse. Come on, guys. One drive. A nice kickoff return would be nice.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:36 PM
Okay. Let's go, Chad.
just-blaze
12-25-06, 10:38 PM
Run the ball all three times down towards the center.
Ball game.
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 10:38 PM
I have a man-crush on Leon Washington right now
just-blaze
12-25-06, 10:40 PM
I have a man-crush on Leon Washington right now
Maurice Jones-Drew is getting a lot of man-love down here in Jville currently and I can see a lot of comparisons b/t him and Leon Washington.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:42 PM
One more run and leave it in the hands of Nugent. Herming it is the right strategy here.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:44 PM
14 seconds left.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:45 PM
GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13-10!!!!
10 more seconds, though...
just-blaze
12-25-06, 10:45 PM
10 seconds left!!!!!!!
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:47 PM
Oh man. Merry Christmas, everyone!!! :D :D :D
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 10:48 PM
YES!!!!! Give Chad credit, he stepped up in the 4th quarter. Cant say enough about Leon Washington.
1 more win and we're in
Beware of the Raiders...:D
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:50 PM
Beware of the Raiders...:D
Oh, I am. I'm seeing next week through my pessimistic Jets glasses. But I am going to enjoy tonight, at least. :D
AMYanks
12-25-06, 10:54 PM
Great win tonight, we saw that these certainly aren't the "Same Old Jets" under Mangini. Pennington was bad in the first 2-3 quarters, but when it mattered the most, he stepped up and delievered.
Soriambi
12-25-06, 10:55 PM
Great win tonight, we saw that these certainly aren't the "Same Old Jets" under Mangini. Pennington was bad in the first 2-3 quarters, but when it mattered the most, he stepped up and delievered.
And/or tossed a little three yarder to Washington, who delivered. :) But that was a great throw on the first TD. And a great game for Leon. Congrats to Mangini and the coaches for clinching a winning season in his first season as a head coach. Now let's go clinch a playoff birth.
Considering how bad the Jets were last season, the team has done a remarkable turn around, no matter what happens from this point forward. The future is bright Jet fans.
I wish my team could turn it around as fast...
PinstripePride
12-25-06, 11:03 PM
LEON WASHINGTON!
TheDozen
12-25-06, 11:04 PM
Wow. That made my evening. At first I was hoping Washington would go all the way on his 64-yard reception, but the fact that he was caught effectively allowed the Jets to drain the clock despite not getting a first down the rest of the way.
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!
I was so despondent after that punt turnover. Thanks Leon
CallOfTheCrow
12-25-06, 11:27 PM
That was very generous to call it a pass to Washington, like the announcers said. Three yards in the air while Washington ran the rest of the way. Either way, I'll take it. :)
JeffWeaverFan
12-25-06, 11:43 PM
After a few (many) drinks at the bar, I have to comment. 1. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. I have to question the coaching staff on this one thing. Why is Barlow running the ball as much as he was while Leon wasn't? I don't get that at all. The #1 RB in Houston is out so I figure the #2 RB will get the most carries... Why does Barlow jump ahead of Washington there? (And I do understand it's about running styles, but Washington is just the better RB. No if's and's or but's.
3. Chad was terrible today. In that first half, I was just worried he would get our receivers killed with those throws. I still have faith in the guy, but he had some horrible passes today. Saying that, he still made some really key plays.
4. Defense played extremely well, but still struggled against the run. Thank God Ronnie Brown didn't run the ball more...
5. I want to make the playoffs so badly. So badly. I think we can beat any team not named the SD Chargers.
6. I may have already said this earlier in this thread, but I really love this 2006-2007 Jet team. No ego's, no guys that you want to say "shut up" to. Just seems like a bunch of good, hard working, smart, keep your mouth shut, coachable guys. I love it. No matter what happens, this has been a very enjoyable season to watch.
JeffWeaverFan
12-25-06, 11:44 PM
I'm loving Leon Washington continuing to reference the Frazier-Ali fight that they watched in all his press conference questions.
dabomb2045
12-25-06, 11:45 PM
Assuming us and the Broncos win next week (we are beating Oakland, and Denver is not losing in Mile High to the 49ers).....we will be getting the Colts in the Wild Card round....unless something surprising happens like Baltimore and SD losing at home to bad teams.
cmaff05
12-26-06, 12:06 AM
i am not the biggest fan of the NFL. that being said, does anybody get sick of the insane praises that some of these coaches get??? i mean, shouldn't the players get much more praises than the coach?
You could extend this to any coach, but I am specifically talking about Mangini here. I have no idea what it takes to be an NFL coach, but I think some of this praising of the coaches in the NFL goes WAAAYYY too far. I think most of the praise should go to the players, who actually go out onto the field and perform.
for example, that's all you hear about on MNF is mangini, mangini, mangini....but what about coles and pennington, who have been the anchors of the team?
my theory always has been... good players make you look good. bad players make you look bad. in any league. whether it be the nba or the mlb.. or the nfl.
NeW YoRk ReiGN
12-26-06, 12:15 AM
leon washington is amazing. that is all.
AMYanks
12-26-06, 12:24 AM
3. Chad was terrible today. In that first half, I was just worried he would get our receivers killed with those throws. I still have faith in the guy, but he had some horrible passes today. Saying that, he still made some really key plays.
The problem was he was facing a very good defense, and he was throwing a heavy ball in the first half. When the rain died down a bit, he played much better. His arm is weak enough as is, pouring rain like that only makes it worse.
AMYanks
12-26-06, 12:28 AM
Assuming us and the Broncos win next week (we are beating Oakland, and Denver is not losing in Mile High to the 49ers).....we will be getting the Colts in the Wild Card round....unless something surprising happens like Baltimore and SD losing at home to bad teams.
That's what I'm hoping for. I know that our hearts want to see New England in the first round, just so we can go in there and try to beat them again, and stick it in Belichick's face. But using our heads, a matchup against Indianapolis would be much better for us for a number of reasons:
- Pennington is great in a dome.
- We could establish an effective running game against them.
- Manning + post-season + facing 3-4 defense = good for us
- If we didn't get so vanilla defensively at the end, and the bogus PI wasn't called on Miller, we beat them in our first meeting.
I'll be honest, the only team out there that I think would really beat us up in a big way is Baltimore. I think we could play competitively against San Diego (we have a good history there, Marty Schottenheimer is far from a sure thing in the playoffs).
I'm so pumped, I love this team and this coach. Despite how awful Oakland is, you don't want to look past them, but I just can't see them beating us. I think we showed tonight that we're not the "Same Old Jets". Instead of folding when faced with adversity (the Kassell play on the punt), our defense stepped up, we made the big play, and got the clutch FG.
I'm ready for playoff football!
AMYanks
12-26-06, 12:34 AM
Per ESPN:
Chad Pennington boosted his pro record to 30-22 (.577) as a starter. With the victory in South Florida, he now owns the highest winning percentage for any quarterback in Jets' history (minimum: 20 starts); that distinction was previously held by Vinny Testaverde, who was 35-26 (.574).
Also, if we make the playoffs, he'll be the first QB in Jets history to lead his team to the playoffs three times.
dabomb2045
12-26-06, 12:39 AM
i am not the biggest fan of the NFL. that being said, does anybody get sick of the insane praises that some of these coaches get??? i mean, shouldn't the players get much more praises than the coach?
You could extend this to any coach, but I am specifically talking about Mangini here. I have no idea what it takes to be an NFL coach, but I think some of this praising of the coaches in the NFL goes WAAAYYY too far. I think most of the praise should go to the players, who actually go out onto the field and perform.
for example, that's all you hear about on MNF is mangini, mangini, mangini....but what about coles and pennington, who have been the anchors of the team?
my theory always has been... good players make you look good. bad players make you look bad. in any league. whether it be the nba or the mlb.. or the nfl.
NFL coaches have more of an impact on the game then any other sport. How a coach game plans and calls plays has a huge affect in the game, as opposed to a baseball manager who really doesnt have a very big affect on the outcome.
dabomb2045
12-26-06, 12:41 AM
That's what I'm hoping for. I know that our hearts want to see New England in the first round, just so we can go in there and try to beat them again, and stick it in Belichick's face. But using our heads, a matchup against Indianapolis would be much better for us for a number of reasons:
- Pennington is great in a dome.
- We could establish an effective running game against them.
- Manning + post-season + facing 3-4 defense = good for us
- If we didn't get so vanilla defensively at the end, and the bogus PI wasn't called on Miller, we beat them in our first meeting.
I'll be honest, the only team out there that I think would really beat us up in a big way is Baltimore. I think we could play competitively against San Diego (we have a good history there, Marty Schottenheimer is far from a sure thing in the playoffs).
I'm so pumped, I love this team and this coach. Despite how awful Oakland is, you don't want to look past them, but I just can't see them beating us. I think we showed tonight that we're not the "Same Old Jets". Instead of folding when faced with adversity (the Kassell play on the punt), our defense stepped up, we made the big play, and got the clutch FG.
I'm ready for playoff football!
Yeah I think the Colts are the best matchup for us....especially with the way they are playing right now.
AMYanks
12-26-06, 12:46 AM
i am not the biggest fan of the NFL. that being said, does anybody get sick of the insane praises that some of these coaches get??? i mean, shouldn't the players get much more praises than the coach?
You could extend this to any coach, but I am specifically talking about Mangini here. I have no idea what it takes to be an NFL coach, but I think some of this praising of the coaches in the NFL goes WAAAYYY too far. I think most of the praise should go to the players, who actually go out onto the field and perform.
for example, that's all you hear about on MNF is mangini, mangini, mangini....but what about coles and pennington, who have been the anchors of the team?
my theory always has been... good players make you look good. bad players make you look bad. in any league. whether it be the nba or the mlb.. or the nfl.
Well, you really can't compare the work an NFL head coach does to what coaches/managers of the other sports. They all work hard, without question, but the preparation of NFL coaches is unparalleled in any sport.
Level of talent is a lot more important in MLB, NBA, and NHL. There is a distinct gap between good players and bad players. In the NFL, that gap is much smaller. Many would say the Giants have more talent than the Jets. But the Giants are 7-8 in the weak NFC, and the Jets are 9-6 in the strong AFC. Giants probably have more talent than the Jets. But it comes down to preparation, discipline, and ability to bring the team together. Mangini has done all three extraordinarily well, and Coughlin's teams haven't shown any of that.
It's why Mangini is going to be either 1st or 2nd for Coach of the Year, and Coughlin will be in danger of losing his job.
JeffWeaverFan
12-26-06, 01:05 AM
NFL coaches have more of an impact on the game then any other sport. How a coach game plans and calls plays has a huge affect in the game, as opposed to a baseball manager who really doesnt have a very big affect on the outcome.
Exactly. NFL coaches have a huge affect on a season, which is very unlike baseball managers, who don't have much affect on a baseball season.
Congrats on the win last night, and I'm pulling for ya next week. It's a good story. Mangini will be the coach of the year.
So, if the Jets win, and the Broncos lose on Sunday, the Jets would jump up to the 5th spot, and a possible WC match-up with New England? That would be a fun game.
Soriambi
12-26-06, 12:25 PM
NFL coaches have more of an impact on the game then any other sport. How a coach game plans and calls plays has a huge affect in the game, as opposed to a baseball manager who really doesnt have a very big affect on the outcome.
Yep. Maybe they don't deserve quite as much credit or blame as they get, I don't really know, but the difference between a great coach(es) and a terrible coach(es) can be a great number of games. You can see the difference very easily between Herm Edwards in 2005 and Eric Mangini in 2006, just like you could see the difference between Rich Kotite in 1996 and Bill Parcells in 1997.
TheManKnownAsMecca
12-26-06, 01:14 PM
I'm not coming in here to start any trouble but I have a question for Jets fans to answer honestly if they would. Do you honestly and truly believe you can with a Super Bowl with Chad Pennington at the helm? In my opinion he is a good quarterback but not a guy that can lead them to a Super Bowl victory. The Jets have far exceeded any expectations and they deserve high praise for that, and maybe I'm alone but I just can't see them winning a Super Bowl until he is no longer their QB.
Soriambi
12-26-06, 01:47 PM
I'm not coming in here to start any trouble but I have a question for Jets fans to answer honestly if they would. Do you honestly and truly believe you can with a Super Bowl with Chad Pennington at the helm? In my opinion he is a good quarterback but not a guy that can lead them to a Super Bowl victory. The Jets have far exceeded any expectations and they deserve high praise for that, and maybe I'm alone but I just can't see them winning a Super Bowl until he is no longer their QB.
I think that they could, yes. I don't think he's a guy that absolutely kills any reasonable chance of winning a Super Bowl. I think that Chad, at his best, is a very good NFL quarterback who has shown that he's very capable of playing very well in and winning playoff games against good teams. If Pennington is having one of his off days, it's quite tough to win a playoff game. I think, though, that if things go right and he was "on" or near the top of his game throughout the playoffs, and the team around him was strong and the defense played well, he is very capable of winning a Super Bowl. I mean, Trent Dilfer won a SB as the starter for the Ravens. Not every Super Bowl winning QB has to be a Brett Favre or a John Elway.
So, I don't think Chad is a guy who can carry the entire team on his back, overcome a ton of bad play from others, and still manage to pull a rabbit out of his hat, so to speak, but I don't think he kills you at QB by any means.
Soriambi
12-26-06, 02:01 PM
Not to look ahead, but I'm looking ahead a bit. According to this site:
http://www.southendzone.com/schedulef/?s=2007&t=NYJ
The Jets schedule in 2007 looks like this:
Home and Away: Bills, Dolphins, Pats
Home: Browns, Steelers, Eagles, Redskins, Broncos (with a Broncos win in week 17)
Away: Ravens, Bengals, Cowboys, Giants, Titans or Jaguars (whoever finishes 2nd in the AFC South.
TheDozen
12-26-06, 02:04 PM
I'm not coming in here to start any trouble but I have a question for Jets fans to answer honestly if they would. Do you honestly and truly believe you can with a Super Bowl with Chad Pennington at the helm? In my opinion he is a good quarterback but not a guy that can lead them to a Super Bowl victory. The Jets have far exceeded any expectations and they deserve high praise for that, and maybe I'm alone but I just can't see them winning a Super Bowl until he is no longer their QB.
:D
This reminds me of what Bill Simmons wrote (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/061117) a little while ago: "The Jets could win the Super Bowl and their fans would still be conditioned to react by saying, "I'm not getting sucked in, I'm happy we're winning but I'm not getting my hopes up, we're not that good."
I suppose that, over the years, I've been conditioned to react the same way, albeit to a less exaggerated extent. Still, I'd be lying if I said that I don't react with enthusiasm when the Jets are at least in the mix. I was in San Diego for their last playoff victory, and I'm hoping they can get into the postseason once more.
Soriambi
12-26-06, 02:19 PM
:D
"The Jets could win the Super Bowl and their fans would still be conditioned to react by saying, "I'm not getting sucked in, I'm happy we're winning but I'm not getting my hopes up, we're not that good."
:lol: :lol: That is very true. But for me, it's usually not the "we're not that good," it's the sense that something horrible and odd is going to happen to cost them the game or the season (missed FGs, heroic last minute drives for the other team ending in fake spike plays, a kickoff return for a TD, a loss to a 2-13 team at home with the playoffs on the line :uhh:, whatever.) For instance, yesterday, on the punt that bounced up and hit the Jet, allowing the Phins to get the ball, I was thinking "There it is. 14-10 final." If we kick a FG with 2 minutes left to go up 6, I'm thinking "loss by 1 on a last second touchdown."
I am odd with football, though. The best way to describe it is that at the same time that I'm extremely pessimistic, I'm also extremely optimistic. I can't really describe how I feel well, but it is possible, trust me. :lol:
johnnyyankee
12-26-06, 02:33 PM
i am not the biggest fan of the NFL. that being said, does anybody get sick of the insane praises that some of these coaches get??? i mean, shouldn't the players get much more praises than the coach?
You could extend this to any coach, but I am specifically talking about Mangini here. I have no idea what it takes to be an NFL coach, but I think some of this praising of the coaches in the NFL goes WAAAYYY too far. I think most of the praise should go to the players, who actually go out onto the field and perform.
for example, that's all you hear about on MNF is mangini, mangini, mangini....but what about coles and pennington, who have been the anchors of the team?
my theory always has been... good players make you look good. bad players make you look bad. in any league. whether it be the nba or the mlb.. or the nfl.
DON'T F*CK WITH MANGENIUS!!
just-blaze
12-26-06, 03:22 PM
for example, that's all you hear about on MNF is mangini, mangini, mangini....but what about coles and pennington, who have been the anchors of the team?
Well, first.... MNF went on and on the whole game about how horrible Pennington's arm was and was saying that it was the worst in the league. I heard that more often than about Mangini. They also went on and on about how Ferguson should not be taking Taylor one on one and that it was a huge mistake on the Jets part, despite the fact Pennington was only sacked once and Ferguson confused a play which allowed Taylor to get a tackle for a loss and that was about it. Ferguson did a good job (not a great job).
Second, Mangini gets alot of attention b/c he overhauled the whole look of the team with essentially the same players (add a couple of rookies) and now instead of 4-12 we are on the verge of 10-6. The players perform better for Mangini system b/c of the system, so yes the players deserve most of the attention but Mangini deserves a lot of credit.
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
12-26-06, 03:51 PM
I'm not coming in here to start any trouble but I have a question for Jets fans to answer honestly if they would. Do you honestly and truly believe you can with a Super Bowl with Chad Pennington at the helm? In my opinion he is a good quarterback but not a guy that can lead them to a Super Bowl victory. The Jets have far exceeded any expectations and they deserve high praise for that, and maybe I'm alone but I just can't see them winning a Super Bowl until he is no longer their QB.
Trent Dilfer won a SB, so did Mark Rypien, it's all about the team. And Chad is better than both of them.
TheManKnownAsMecca
12-26-06, 06:30 PM
Trent Dilfer won a SB, so did Mark Rypien, it's all about the team. And Chad is better than both of them.
Trent Dilfer played on a team that had a hell of a defense, as did Brad Johnson. I'm a Buffalo Bills fan and remember Rypien and he had a nice game. The Redskins had a great defense that year as well. The Jets defense is above average/good but no where near the D's of the Ravens, Bucs, or Redskins. Chad wouldn't have that benefit.
PinstripePride
12-26-06, 06:32 PM
Trent Dilfer played on a team that had a hell of a defense, as did Brad Johnson. I'm a Buffalo Bills fan and remember Rypien and he had a nice game. The Redskins had a great defense that year as well. The Jets defense is above average/good but no where near the D's of the Ravens, Bucs, or Redskins. Chad wouldn't have that benefit.
Understood, but the point is, a SB CAN be won with Chad at the helm. It's not impossible. Obviously this year we won't be good enough unless Chad steps up big time, but if the defense can be improved in the coming years, anything can happen.
CallOfTheCrow
12-26-06, 07:01 PM
Kerry Rhodes had some big hits yesterday. Not so much as game saving but "damn that had to hurt" kind of hits.
PinstripePride
12-26-06, 07:04 PM
Kerry Rhodes had some big hits yesterday. Not so much as game saving but "damn that had to hurt" kind of hits.
Yea, woulda helped if he could have wrapped up McMichael though.
Pepper03
12-26-06, 07:26 PM
Nice win last night for the Jets.
I hope you guys make the playoffs-you are sure some very loyal fans.:)
AMYanks
12-26-06, 07:29 PM
I think the Jets can definitely win a championship with Chad as the QB. Overall, I think he's had a solid year, and he has had a lot of things against him:
- The burden of staying healthy, starting and completing a full 16 game season. Now that he's done that, the weight of not staying healthy is off his shoulders.
- He's had to learn his third entirely new offensive system in three years. That's a lot of work for a QB. The fact that we can sit here and say Pennington has had a pretty good season tells you how smart he is (although we already knew that was his biggest asset). This offense in particular is complicated because he now has the ability to audible into any play in the playbook he wants at the line of scrimmage. A lot of creative formations, motions, and shifts that he has had to orchestrate on virtually every play. Next year will be his second year in the system, and he will continue to improve.
- The fear of trying to stay healthy with two rookies blocking for him. D'Brick has been good, and Mangold has been one of the top centers in the NFL. Both will continue to improve.
- A bad running game. This will certainly be addressed, with improved run blocking and perhaps a #1, every down back.
I think, after an off-season in which he can workout and throw regularly for the first time in what will be 3 years, plus another year in this system, and a number of other positive factors, he can have a very, very good 2007 and beyond (even if that "beyond" isn't with the Jets). And I certainly think he is a good enough QB that a team can win a championship with him manning the position.
JeffWeaverFan
12-26-06, 08:28 PM
Not to look ahead, but I'm looking ahead a bit. According to this site:
http://www.southendzone.com/schedulef/?s=2007&t=NYJ
The Jets schedule in 2007 looks like this:
Home and Away: Bills, Dolphins, Pats
Home: Browns, Steelers, Eagles, Redskins, Broncos (with a Broncos win in week 17)
Away: Ravens, Bengals, Cowboys, Giants, Titans or Jaguars (whoever finishes 2nd in the AFC South.
That is a tough schedule...
Ronnie Brown had no trouble whatsoever racking up 6+ yards per run, we really need to improve our run defense for us to have any success whatsoever in the playoffs. I don't think we'll beat the Pats in NE if Maroney runs all over us. In any case, we can definitely win with Chad
dabomb2045
12-26-06, 08:53 PM
That is a tough schedule...
We lucked out with a weak schedule this year. I cant complain.
just-blaze
12-26-06, 09:55 PM
Ronnie Brown had no trouble whatsoever racking up 6+ yards per run, we really need to improve our run defense for us to have any success whatsoever in the playoffs. I don't think we'll beat the Pats in NE if Maroney runs all over us. In any case, we can definitely win with Chad
Yeah, Im wondering about that too. Robertson has really improved and so has Thomas, meanwhile Vilma is still good and Barton is solid. I just wonder where the weakness is in the run D.
dabomb2045
12-26-06, 09:56 PM
Yeah, Im wondering about that too. Robertson has really improved and so has Thomas, meanwhile Vilma is still good and Barton is solid. I just wonder where the weakness is in the run D.
The weakness is in the interior part of the D line. We need run stuffers. We need big guys that take up space such as Sam Adams, Pat Williams etc....those types of guys. You cant push big run stuffers off the line. This allows the linebackers to be free and able to create plays close to the line of scrimmage instead of 8-10 yards downfield.
just-blaze
12-26-06, 09:59 PM
We lucked out with a weak schedule this year. I cant complain.
It was "weak" originally, but if you look back we played 3 teams who could still make the playoffs in GB and Titans and Jaguars.
2 teams that almost made the playoffs in Buffalo and Miami.
NE, Chicago, and Indy.
6-5 against some pretty good teams. Its not as bad as I originally thought.
just-blaze
12-26-06, 10:01 PM
The weakness is in the interior part of the D line. We need run stuffers. We need big guys that take up space such as Sam Adams, Pat Williams etc....those types of guys. You cant push big run stuffers off the line. This allows the linebackers to be free and able to create plays close to the line of scrimmage instead of 8-10 yards downfield.
Ellis, Von Oleffron?, Robertson.
Robertson is solid. Ellis is a pass rusher. Von O has been disappointing. Is the 3-4 to blame? or Von O? Or does Robertson need to step it up that much?
dabomb2045
12-26-06, 10:04 PM
Ellis, Von Oleffron?, Robertson.
Robertson is solid. Ellis is a pass rusher. Von O has been disappointing. Is the 3-4 to blame? or Von O? Or does Robertson need to step it up that much?
Robertson isnt a great fit for the 3-4 since he is a smaller guy. KVO is a huge problem. He must be replaced next year.
The problem is that our LBs are also on the small side, so if the D line gets pushed off the line, allowing the O line to get to the LB level....this results in 8-10 yards a run. And this is whats happened alot this season. Look at any effective 3-4 in this league. They all have big run stuffers on the D line.
AMYanks
12-27-06, 01:16 AM
Yeah, Im wondering about that too. Robertson has really improved and so has Thomas, meanwhile Vilma is still good and Barton is solid. I just wonder where the weakness is in the run D.
The problem is von Oelhoffen, he has been terrible. He has been engulfed in single-blocking situations, allowing the other linemen to consistently double team Ellis and D-Rob, and get to the second level and get our LBs. Ellis is fine, he's done a good job. D-Rob continues to improve at NT. He's a little small, but at 6'1, (approx.) 320, as he continues to learn the position, he will develop into a very good player there. The biggest need for the Jets entering the off-season will be a 3-4 DE. We're basically playing a 2-4, as von Oelhoffen is not at all a factor. If we could find a big, effective NT, then we could move D-Rob to the other DE. The problem is, it's hard to find good NTs, and D-Rob can be one with another year in the system.
If we can draft a guy like Adam Carriker with the 2nd we got from Washington (or Frank Okam with our 1st, if he declares), that would be huge. It would give us a big body (6'6, 300) at DE, a guy who has been stout against the run his entire college career, is very big and strong, and has the top intangibles that Mangini looks far (hard working, blue collar, team first type of guy). It would give us three good down linemen.
JeffWeaverFan
12-27-06, 11:18 AM
I want to add that if we make the playoffs and play Indy (I hate thinking that we are definitely going to make the playoffs because I am still scared that the Jets will blow it against Oakland), Barlow better not get any carries. I assume Houston will be back by then, but if not, Leon Washington has to get the majority of the carries. I still don't understand why he didn't against Miami.
PinstripePride
12-27-06, 11:20 AM
I want to add that if we make the playoffs and play Indy (I hate thinking that we are definitely going to make the playoffs because I am still scared that the Jets will blow it against Oakland), Barlow better not get any carries. I assume Houston will be back by then, but if not, Leon Washington has to get the majority of the carries. I still don't understand why he didn't against Miami.
I would have preffered Washington/Blaylock vs Miami. Barlow is an absolute NIGHTMARE. The guy gets the ball, hits the pile and stops moving. I wanted to throw sh!t at my TV.
JeffWeaverFan
12-27-06, 11:25 AM
Understood, but the point is, a SB CAN be won with Chad at the helm. It's not impossible. Obviously this year we won't be good enough unless Chad steps up big time, but if the defense can be improved in the coming years, anything can happen.
I don't like the theory that Chad "can" win a SB if he has a great team around him. Chad, to me, is an above average QB so of course we can win with him as QB. Next year I expect him to be better than this year with him being another year removed from the shoulder surgeries.
I understand he played terribly in the last game and I understand he doesn't have a strong arm, but he does a lot of things well. He rarely makes bad decisions and he is accurate. He gets blamed a lot that he can't win a game against a good defense when he doesn't have a running game, but I have to ask, how many QB's can? Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer and who else? (I know there are a few more, but I don't really feel like thinking about it right now). Pro Bowlers Philip Rivers and Tony Romo can't.
I just think it's inaccurate to say that Chad isn't any good because he can't win a game by himself against a good defense and without a running game. Well, that's not inaccurate - I think the criticism is. Most QB's in this league can't either.
JeffWeaverFan
12-27-06, 11:27 AM
I would have preffered Washington/Blaylock vs Miami. Barlow is an absolute NIGHTMARE. The guy gets the ball, hits the pile and stops moving. I wanted to throw sh!t at my TV.
I have to disagree. Barlow may be a nightmare, but Blaylock is amazingly worse IMO. Blaylock does the old east to west thing when he is 2 yards in the backfield before he loses a yard on every play. At least Barlow will get a couple yards on his carries.
Still though, I don't get why Mangini decided to have him be his main RB instead of Leon. I mean, just logically, Leon is the #2 RB and Barlow is the #3 guy. Why would Barlow suddenly move up to #1 while Leon stays at #2? Shouldn't they both move up a notch when the #1 RB in Cedric Houston is out?
PinstripePride
12-27-06, 12:59 PM
I have to disagree. Barlow may be a nightmare, but Blaylock is amazingly worse IMO. Blaylock does the old east to west thing when he is 2 yards in the backfield before he loses a yard on every play. At least Barlow will get a couple yards on his carries.
TBH, I haven't seen enough of Blaylock to even make a judgement on what type of runner he is, it feels like ANYONE can do better right now than Barlow. I'm just frustrated because the guy averages 2 yards a carry and yet he's still getting a bunch of carries a game.
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
12-27-06, 02:02 PM
I would have preffered Washington/Blaylock vs Miami. Barlow is an absolute NIGHTMARE. The guy gets the ball, hits the pile and stops moving. I wanted to throw sh!t at my TV.
What happened? He showed so much fire and intensity vs the Pats that I thought he was going to be our every down back but I guess that's not going to happen. The starting halfback should be Cedric Houston with Leon Washington getting the third down plays and even a few snaps on first and second down to throw off the defense.
Soriambi
12-27-06, 02:11 PM
I just think it's inaccurate to say that Chad isn't any good because he can't win a game by himself against a good defense and without a running game. Well, that's not inaccurate - I think the criticism is. Most QB's in this league can't either.
When I said that I didn't mean it as criticism as much as just saying that he wasn't an A1 type of QB who can just take the game over and dominate like a Peyton Manning or whatever. What you said in your post there is basically what I was trying to say. It also wasn't necessarily meant as criticism that he needs a good or great team around him. I think just about every QB would need a great team around them to win a Super Bowl. I was basically trying to say that I don't think that Chad helps your chances of winning a Super Bowl all that much, but I don't think he hurts them, either.
PinstripePride
12-27-06, 05:25 PM
What happened? He showed so much fire and intensity vs the Pats that I thought he was going to be our every down back but I guess that's not going to happen. The starting halfback should be Cedric Houston with Leon Washington getting the third down plays and even a few snaps on first and second down to throw off the defense.
That was pretty much his only good game. He's just taking up space now. He averaged exactly 3.0 yards per carry on the nose before that game, and has had only 30 carries for 43 yards since (that's 1.43 ypa if you don't want to bust out the calc).
I wish I knew what happened, but to be honest, I think the NE game was an aberration - the guy just not a good football player.
AMYanks
12-28-06, 02:16 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/28/sports/football/28jets.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin
During the Jets’ rainy victory in Miami on Monday night, quarterback Chad Pennington was battling the physical elements, a very physical Dolphins defense and a physical ailment.
Pennington had a virus that made him sick to his stomach. He was feeling so ill, he left the field at Dolphin Stadium before the end of warm-ups. The peak of his misery came during the scoreless first half, which was memorable mostly for Pennington throwing some passes, then coming off the field and throwing up.
His first four passes fell incomplete, some of them fluttering like an upset stomach. Pennington, who does not discuss illnesses or injuries, lest they become excuse not to succeed, tried to act as if everything was O.K. He succeeded to the point where some of his teammates did not know he was feeling poorly.
...
He would need two IVs after the game. But in the final 15 minutes, with the game and the season on the line, Pennington was terrific. He played as if he was determined not to let his illness be the thing that derailed the team after it had overcome so much adversity — a 4-12 record last year, a coaching change, a grueling training camp — to compete for a playoff spot.
“Chad knows that the players feed off him on offense,” Coach Eric Mangini said. “You could see as he started to feel better, the whole offense picked up.”
...
Remember when Abraham sat out the Oakland playoff game with his tummy ache?
Shows you the difference between he and Chad.
AMYanks
12-28-06, 02:22 AM
NY Jets
QUESTIONABLE:
RB James Hodgins (Knee)
S Eric Smith (Foot)
RB Cedric Houston (Calf)
S Kerry Rhodes (Knee)
RB B.J. Askew (Foot)
RB Kevan Barlow (Thigh)
CB Andre Dyson (Knee)
CB David Barrett (Hip)
WR Laveranues Coles (Head)
PROBABLE:
QB Chad Pennington (Calf)
LB Matt Chatham (Foot)
G Brandon Moore (Back)
QB Patrick Ramsey (Calf)
DE Bryan Thomas (Shoulder)
DT Rashad Moore (Hand)
According to Cimini, Rhodes, Barrett, and Coles will all probably play, and Dyson will be out. Considering Oakland's horrible offense, and my confidence in beating them, I'm glad Dyson will sit. I'd have him sit out and make sure the knee is 100% (or close to it) for the playoffs.
johnnyyankee
12-28-06, 09:22 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/28/sports/football/28jets.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin
Remember when Abraham sat out the Oakland playoff game with his tummy ache?
Shows you the difference between he and Chad.
Wow, thanks for that, I hadn't heard that. The man's heart cannot be questioned...not that it was....I'm just saying....
PinstripePride
12-28-06, 10:14 AM
According to Cimini, Rhodes, Barrett, and Coles will all probably play, and Dyson will be out. Considering Oakland's horrible offense, and my confidence in beating them, I'm glad Dyson will sit. I'd have him sit out and make sure the knee is 100% (or close to it) for the playoffs.
Agreed. We have to be careful though, I'm not quite sure this is going to be an easy win. Oakland has the #1 pass D in the NFL - a pick here and there and the entire game changes direction - and it's not like Chad never throws picks. Fall behind early, and we may be hard pressed to catch up. It could be a LOT more interesting than anyone expects, especially if the team takes the game lightly (which I don't think they will, but still, we have a habit of playing down.)
JeffWeaverFan
12-28-06, 11:15 AM
According to Cimini, Rhodes, Barrett, and Coles will all probably play, and Dyson will be out. Considering Oakland's horrible offense, and my confidence in beating them, I'm glad Dyson will sit. I'd have him sit out and make sure the knee is 100% (or close to it) for the playoffs.
Do we know if Houston will be able to play?
johnnyyankee
12-28-06, 12:17 PM
Do we know if Houston will be able to play?
It looks good.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3229
JeffWeaverFan
12-28-06, 03:23 PM
It looks good.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3229
Excellent. I like the Houston/Washington combo.
AMYanks
12-28-06, 05:29 PM
Agreed. We have to be careful though, I'm not quite sure this is going to be an easy win. Oakland has the #1 pass D in the NFL - a pick here and there and the entire game changes direction - and it's not like Chad never throws picks. Fall behind early, and we may be hard pressed to catch up. It could be a LOT more interesting than anyone expects, especially if the team takes the game lightly (which I don't think they will, but still, we have a habit of playing down.)
I agree. Their offense doesn't worry me, though. They're playing without their top two WRs, I trust the Barrett/Poteat/Miller combo, and so I would rather not risk severe injury to Dyson. Besides, in the Mangini/Belichick system, the safeties are more important to success. Not that having a solid CB like Dyson isn't a factor, it is, and I'd rather be safe than sorry.
AMYanks
12-28-06, 05:58 PM
Although I said that I want Dyson to sit so he wouldn't risk further injury, it looks like that might already be the case. The Star Ledger was reporting that he had a huge brace on his knee and could barely walk, possibly awaiting the results of an ACL MRI. Rotoworld reported that he's already been announced as out for Sunday. Let's hope he's okay.
Brooklyn Yankee Fan
12-29-06, 10:53 AM
I don't post much in this thread, but can I get a follow through from everyone?
J-E-T-S!
......
johnnyyankee
12-29-06, 11:36 AM
I don't post much in this thread, but can I get a follow through from everyone?
J-E-T-S!
......
JETS JETS JETS!!
JeffWeaverFan
12-29-06, 12:01 PM
JETS JETS JETS!
I'm pumped for this game. I better be happy on NYE night.
AMYanks
12-29-06, 01:58 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/484096p-407488c.html
Source: Dyson out 2-to-4 weeks
By RICH CIMINI
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Jets cornerback Andre Dyson, who injured his right knee in Monday night's win over the Dolphins, will miss two to four weeks, a person with knowledge of the situation said yesterday.
It's believed that Dyson sprained the medial collateral ligament. No surgery is necessary, the person said, but Dyson will be hard-pressed to make it back for the first round of the playoffs if the Jets qualify.
Perhaps making contingency plans, the Jets worked out two cornerbacks yesterday - journeyman Pete Hunter and rookie Justin Phinisee, a seventh-round pick of the Bucs.
Both players have been exposed to systems similar to that of the Jets, Hunter with the Browns and Phinisee with the Patriots (recently on their practice squad). Hunter was cut by the Jets in the 2005 preseason.
Without Dyson, the Jets have four corners - Hank Poteat, David Barrett, Justin Miller and rookie Drew Coleman. Dyson is listed as questionable for Sunday's regular-season finale against the Raiders, although he has done virtually nothing in practice. He was moving better yesterday, but still limping.
The secondary is banged up, with S Kerry Rhodes also battling a knee injury. Rhodes, who wore a heavy wrap in the locker room, was limited in practice, limping in some drills. He's questionable, but is expected to play.
Bad news there, but I think we can get by with what we have, given the design of the system.
JeffWeaverFan
12-29-06, 02:40 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/484096p-407488c.html
Bad news there, but I think we can get by with what we have, given the design of the system.
Very bad news. I thought Dyson has had an excellent year with the Jets thus far. This is even worse news if we play Indy in the 1st round...
And I don't like that Rhodes is banged up either. Of course, it's tough to complain about these injuries when we have gotten by so well this year.
PinstripePride
12-29-06, 06:56 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/484096p-407488c.html
Sh!t. Not what we needed. I REALLY want to be the team that gives Peyton another early exit, should we draw the Colts in round 1.
(Provided we beat Oakland. ;) )
Yeah, I don't like not having Dyson. He was pretty much our single reliable corner this year, now we basically have Justin Miller playing every snap. That may not be any fun against Indy, hopefully the 3-4 will still be enough to confuse them
dabomb2045
12-30-06, 02:38 PM
Guys...lets not even worry about Indy. Lets just worry about tommorrow first. This team has burned me too many times in the past for me to ever take anything for granted with them.
Beat Oakland first. Then we can concentrate on the Colts.
AMYanks
12-30-06, 03:06 PM
Guys...lets not even worry about Indy. Lets just worry about tommorrow first. This team has burned me too many times in the past for me to ever take anything for granted with them.
Beat Oakland first. Then we can concentrate on the Colts.
If we were playing the game, I'd agree. But it's not like us looking ahead has any effect on the team.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/484096p-407488c.html
Bad news there, but I think we can get by with what we have, given the design of the system.
Yes indeed bad news. That means that Barrett gets to play more and he can't tackle worth a .................
RIyankee
12-31-06, 02:20 AM
The Jets run D is still terrible. Pennington didn't look good against Miami. He was lucky he didn't get picked off at least twice. That said, the Jets are getting good production from their RBs and they are a very good blitzing team. The latter is the reason they could lose at NE in the AFC Championship game. Both Manning and Rivers have struggled against the blitz this year (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=2709641). The Pats don't match up as well vs the Colts and Bolts.
Hey Taylor, don't expect the same results if my wacky prediction comes true. Both the Pats starting DEs were hurt in that loss to the Jets: Warren was out and Seymour had to move to the LDE spot due to his elbow, which made him more ineffective. The Jets were able to push the Pats around at the LOS because of this. Both are healthy now.
BTW, welcome back. ;)
AMYanks
12-31-06, 02:49 AM
Pennington didn't look good against Miami. He was lucky he didn't get picked off at least twice.
Considering the horrible conditions (especially for a QB with a less than stellar arm), and the fact that he should have been in the hospital, I'm not too worried. Especially when he made two great pass plays on the first TD drive when the conditions improved and he received IVs to feel a little better.
PinstripePride
12-31-06, 12:21 PM
I love Brad Smith.
PinstripePride
12-31-06, 12:24 PM
There ya go, make the turnover hurt!
7-0 Jets. :gulp:
PinstripePride
12-31-06, 12:47 PM
C'mon D, big stop here...
PinstripePride
12-31-06, 12:50 PM
Kerry Rhodes!
Wait till they go to play action deep to Curry...:D
PinstripePride
12-31-06, 12:51 PM
Go Raiders!!!
You are not welcome here. AND your team sucks. ;) :P
You are not welcome here. AND your team sucks. ;) :P
Then it will hurt to lose to a team that sucks then...:lol:
PinstripePride
12-31-06, 12:53 PM
Then it will hurt to lose to a team that sucks then...:lol:
Keep dreamin, ace.
PinstripePride
12-31-06, 01:18 PM
Please be OK Mangold...
CptCrunch
12-31-06, 01:18 PM
Bad news if Mangold is hurt.
IntangiblesRule
12-31-06, 01:33 PM
30 minutes to go. I am rooting for you guys today!
AMYanks
12-31-06, 02:07 PM
Run Leon Run!
PinstripePride
12-31-06, 02:14 PM
Jet ball! Another turnover - the nail in the coffin!
Leon Washington is a STUD!
#1PaFan
12-31-06, 02:15 PM
Congrats, Jets!!! :gulp:
AMYanks
12-31-06, 02:15 PM
Nice pass by Chad, Cotchery almost kept it in bounds.
CoyoteYankee
12-31-06, 02:18 PM
Okay...tell me who saw that girl with the "Mangenious" sign.
Um...genius doesn't have an "o" genius!
Casey37
12-31-06, 02:23 PM
Jets are playing a fantastic game vs the Silver & Black. Hats off to them.:gulp:
IntangiblesRule
12-31-06, 02:28 PM
Okay...tell me who saw that girl with the "Mangenious" sign.
Um...genius doesn't have an "o" genius!
What would you expect from a Jets fan? :P
::turns around and backs away slowly::
Congrats, Jets fans!
PinstripePride
12-31-06, 02:29 PM
What would you expect from a Jets fan? :P
::turns around and backs away slowly::
Congrats, Jets fans!
:lol:
Thanks! :gulp:
PinstripePride
12-31-06, 02:42 PM
J! E! T! S!
PLAY! OFF! BOUND!
:gulp: :gulp: :gulp:
cupcollector99
12-31-06, 02:44 PM
Congrats Jets fans...
Congrats Jet fans...I was hoping to make you guys sweat a little...
dabomb2045
12-31-06, 03:38 PM
We took care of business....good overall performance. Its a crime if Mangini doesnt get Coach of the Year. I have to say this has been perhaps the most enjoyable Jets season I've had in my lifetime. We go into the playoffs with house money....nobody expects us to do anything. If we play the Colts, all the pressure will be on them....not only cuz they will be huge favorites but cuz of all their postseason history baggage. Lets just go in there, have some fun and see if we can pull off an upset.
PinstripePride
12-31-06, 03:44 PM
We took care of business....good overall performance. Its a crime if Mangini doesnt get Coach of the Year. I have to say this has been perhaps the most enjoyable Jets season I've had in my lifetime. We go into the playoffs with house money....nobody expects us to do anything. If we play the Colts, all the pressure will be on them....not only cuz they will be huge favorites but cuz of all their postseason history baggage. Lets just go in there, have some fun and see if we can pull off an upset.
Exactly. I want a Peyton choke job!
Soriambi
12-31-06, 04:34 PM
WHOOOOOOOOOO! :D
I'm very pleased that we didn't make it all that interesting. We just did what we had to do. I am extremely happy. Now on to next week. :)
Soriambi
12-31-06, 04:34 PM
We took care of business....good overall performance. Its a crime if Mangini doesnt get Coach of the Year. I have to say this has been perhaps the most enjoyable Jets season I've had in my lifetime. We go into the playoffs with house money....nobody expects us to do anything. If we play the Colts, all the pressure will be on them....not only cuz they will be huge favorites but cuz of all their postseason history baggage. Lets just go in there, have some fun and see if we can pull off an upset.
I think 1998 was the most enjoyable season for me ever, by far, but this one was pretty damn good.
JeffWeaverFan
12-31-06, 04:40 PM
J-e-t-s Jets Jets Jets!!!!!!!!
We're Going To The Playoffs!
Archer1979
12-31-06, 04:46 PM
Congrats guys. See you down the road.
JeffWeaverFan
12-31-06, 05:30 PM
Congrats guys. See you down the road.
I hope so...
dabomb2045
12-31-06, 05:41 PM
Hmmm, maybe the Jets-Colts matchup wont happen. SF leading Denver by 1 going into the 4th.
I'm torn on this for a few different reasons. I kinda wanna play the Colts, but I would also love to see Jets-Pats III. But I also do not wanna see Herm's team get in either.
JeffWeaverFan
12-31-06, 06:25 PM
Hmmm, maybe the Jets-Colts matchup wont happen. SF leading Denver by 1 going into the 4th.
I'm torn on this for a few different reasons. I kinda wanna play the Colts, but I would also love to see Jets-Pats III. But I also do not wanna see Herm's team get in either.
I want to face the Patriots in round 1 personally.
dabomb2045
12-31-06, 06:27 PM
I want to face the Patriots in round 1 personally.
Yeah I hear ya....I just hate that KC would make it. Herm is getting "credit" for doing well with the Chiefs, when he should be criticized for taking about 3 years of Larry Johnson's career this year by basically running him into the ground.
Plus...he's Herm...I cant stand him.
JeffWeaverFan
12-31-06, 06:32 PM
I completely agree about Herm. He does not deserve to have his team in the playoffs and it would piss me off for him to make it.
I do hate that we'd have to face the Colts without Dyson though. (At least it doesn't sound like Dyson will be able to play).
AMYanks
12-31-06, 06:39 PM
Let's go Denver!
Playing Indy in the first round is definitely better than playing NE, all personal feelings aside.
JeffWeaverFan
12-31-06, 07:05 PM
Bring On The Patsies!
AMYanks
12-31-06, 07:06 PM
1. NE in the first round
2. Herm is in the playoffs
3. No Saturday playoff game
You suck, Denver.
CoyoteYankee
12-31-06, 07:10 PM
Bring On The Patsies!
It's going to be all drama filled like Yankees/Red Sox games except in reverse.
What a great start to 2007 it will be to have the Jets beat the Patriots in Round 1 of the playoffs in NE.
JeffWeaverFan
12-31-06, 07:53 PM
1. NE in the first round
2. Herm is in the playoffs
3. No Saturday playoff game
You suck, Denver.
NE and Herm will be out of the playoffs a week from now.:D
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
01-01-07, 01:14 PM
Yeah I hear ya....I just hate that KC would make it. Herm is getting "credit" for doing well with the Chiefs, when he should be criticized for taking about 3 years of Larry Johnson's career this year by basically running him into the ground.
Plus...he's Herm...I cant stand him.
Johnson set an NFL record for carries in a single season. He's not gonna have any knees if that keeps up...I wonder what was more likely of a scenario, Johnson setting the NFL record for carries or John Abraham missing half the season?
On to the Jets...what an awesome year. Even when the Jets were winning during the Edwards years it was not as fun as this. I honesty feel good about the future of this team for the first time since Parcells was hired.
YanksForLife
01-01-07, 01:24 PM
Johnson set an NFL record for carries in a single season. He's not gonna have any knees if that keeps up...I wonder what was more likely of a scenario, Johnson setting the NFL record for carries or John Abraham missing half the season?
Don't worry, LJ will get plenty of rest when Herm gives Priest 30 carries a game if he comes back next season.
161 and River Ave.
01-01-07, 01:41 PM
NE and Herm will be out of the playoffs a week from now.:D
How will the Colts stop Larry Johnson?
PinstripePride
01-01-07, 01:56 PM
How will the Colts stop Larry Johnson?
That's what I'm thinking.
dabomb2045
01-01-07, 03:53 PM
How will the Colts stop Larry Johnson?
I dont see the Chiefs stopping the Colts either. Its gonna be a shootout....the Colts will find a way to win. 45-34...something like that.
AMYanks
01-01-07, 05:03 PM
NFL Network and Boston Herald (http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=174836) reporting that Rodney Harrison will be out for Sunday's game. Sounds like the same injury that Dyson has.
You never like to see a player injured, but it certainly is a big break for the Jets.
johnnyyankee
01-01-07, 09:25 PM
I like the psychology of this matchup. The Jets are in a "nothing to lose" situation. They're not even "supposed" to be in the playoffs. If they lose it will still be a great season. They will be aggressive, loose, confident in the fact that they've already won in NE. The Pats will be feeling the pressure. If they lose it will be a catastrophe. They will be tight, tentative and afraid to make mistakes. Obviously they have plenty of playoff experience working in their favor. This is sort of like when the Yankees played the Mets in the World Series. Little upside to winning, the Yankees were "supposed" to win. Huge downside to losing though. It would have been a huge choke. Beware NE! The J-E-T-S are coming to give the Pats a Belly-check.:D
I like the psychology of this matchup. The Jets are in a "nothing to lose" situation. They're not even "supposed" to be in the playoffs. If they lose it will still be a great season. They will be aggressive, loose, confident in the fact that they've already won in NE. The Pats will be feeling the pressure. If they lose it will be a catastrophe. They will be tight, tentative and afraid to make mistakes. Obviously they have plenty of playoff experience working in their favor. This is sort of like when the Yankees played the Mets in the World Series. Little upside to winning, the Yankees were "supposed" to win. Huge downside to losing though. It would have been a huge choke. Beware NE! The J-E-T-S are coming to give the Pats a Belly-check.:D
We dominated that series 4-1, no more talking for you
Hehe sike im just kidding, however I don't really expect the Patriots to do too much buying into the psychology of it all (just like the Yanks didnt in 2000, they've been there before). We just have to outplay them, which we can
JeffWeaverFan
01-02-07, 02:03 PM
How will the Colts stop Larry Johnson?
They won't, but Peyton will have a big day and Herm will screwup somewhere that will cost the Chiefs some points.
dabomb2045
01-02-07, 08:53 PM
They won't, but Peyton will have a big day and Herm will screwup somewhere that will cost the Chiefs some points.
How could I forget Herm in a big game. He will screw up somewhere and cost the Chiefs some points.
MTYankee23
01-03-07, 08:07 AM
How could I forget Herm in a big game. He will screw up somewhere and cost the Chiefs some points.
Herm vs. Dungy in a big game with Peyton Manning involved. Think Marino has one last hurrah in him?
JeffWeaverFan
01-04-07, 12:19 PM
Pennington wins comeback player of the year and deservedly so. Congrats Chad!
http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=5889350&nav=0RdW
NEW YORK New York Jets quarterback Chad Pennington has been named the N-F-L's Comeback Player of the Year by The Associated Press.
Pennington played all 16 games for the first time in his career after undergoing two rotator cuff surgeries over an eight-month span. He threw for a career-high three-thousand-352 yards and 17 touchdowns in leading the surprising Jets to a 10-and-6 and a berth in the A-F-C playoffs.
PinstripePride
01-04-07, 02:15 PM
Congrats Chad. Let's keep the chains moving Sunday. :gulp:
BillBuckner
01-04-07, 07:20 PM
Congrats to Chad on winning Comeback Player of the Year. It was well deserved. :gulp:
AMYanks
01-04-07, 11:20 PM
Great article from CHFF on why Mangini should be Coach of the Year (also, their take on some other awards).
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=1229
dabomb2045
01-04-07, 11:35 PM
Great article from CHFF on why Mangini should be Coach of the Year (also, their take on some other awards).
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=1229
Great article. Btw....Kevan "I Set the" Barlow?? Idk why, but that made me laugh hysterically for a good minute or so. :lol:
JeffWeaverFan
01-06-07, 04:10 PM
Well Peyton won the award. He was not deserving if you ask me. Well, that might not be fair, as he did a great job, but Mangini was better.
AMYanks
01-07-07, 12:30 AM
Did anyone see Peter King mention that the Jets have the most cap room for next off-season of any team that made the playoffs? $28 million is the number.
Certainly it's good to hear, but I highly doubt Mangini will go away from his approach, and start signing high-priced free agents. But it says a lot about how great Tannenbaum is at managing the cap. For years he was considered one of the top cap managers in the NFL, but I think a lot of times Bradway signed a free agent without Tannenbaum's input, thus the less than stellar cap situations. Especially when we were nearly $30M OVER the cap before the new CBA agreement. Tannenbaum is definitely near the top when it comes to the financial side of the NFL, he is brilliant.
Like I said, I doubt we go out and spend big dollars, but it will be worth watching. Whether or not the Jets pursue a guy like Asante Samuel (someone Mangini has history with), Nate Clements, Lance Briggs, who knows, maybe even Tony Gonzalez. If we stay with the approach of focusing on mid-level free agents (which I fully expect will be the case), I'd like to show some interest in the big DT from the Raiders, Terdell Sands (6'7, 335). Other than that, I have faith in Mangini/Tannenbaum. Whatever they do, I'll support and believe is the right move.
However, the most important thing that will need to be done is sign Rhodes and Cotchery to long term deals before they hit the open market and command elite money. Use an approach like the Eagles.
PinstripePride
01-07-07, 12:38 AM
Great article. Btw....Kevan "I Set the" Barlow?? Idk why, but that made me laugh hysterically for a good minute or so. :lol:
Oh man, that is gold. I can't believe I didn't think of that. :lol: :lol: :lol:
TheManKnownAsMecca
01-07-07, 10:47 AM
I won't be home for the beginning of the game (family function) but I'll be watching it. As a Bills fan, I want to see the Pats get knocked out early even if it's by another AFC East team (the lesser of two evils I suppose :) ) Good luck and I'm rooting for you!
dabomb2045
01-07-07, 11:01 AM
Oh man, I am so pumped for this game....I feel like putting on some pads and hitting some people too. I'm so ready. I will be watching this at my friend's apt (and the Giants game too)....so I wont be on here till later tonight. Lets hope when I post again, its in celebration. Beat the Pats!! J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets!!!
JeffWeaverFan
01-07-07, 11:08 AM
I'm pumped!!!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully we can come up with a win... I'm not sure if I should watch this at my place or a sports bar, but either way, I hope I'm happy when the game is over.
JeffWeaverFan
01-07-07, 11:20 AM
Good news: Dyson is active.
bnorris85
01-07-07, 11:31 AM
gl today guys, i hope the game is decided by the teams and not by injury/referee's
#1PaFan
01-07-07, 03:21 PM
Congrats Jets Fans on a great year. It was a tough loss today, but your guys were certainly in it for about 55 minutes.
The future looks bright for your team. This was a nice first step! :gulp:
dabomb2045
01-07-07, 03:23 PM
This game showed us that we still have a long way to go to be on the level of a team like the Pats.
We need to upgrade the RB position. We need to find big interior DL (like NE has with Wilfork and Warren)....we need to find more playmakers at the LB position, and we need to find better corners.
JeffWeaverFan
01-07-07, 03:45 PM
What to say, what to say... I usually feel, when the Jets lose to the Patriots or in the playoffs that we got screwed somewhere. That we were just as good of a team but our coach is a moron or the refs were terrible. I can't say that in this game. We lost to the better team.
Personally, I feel the Patriots played a near perfect game. Besides the fumble of course. They picked up the blitzes exceptionally which absolutely killed us. They completed way too many 3rd and longs.
The final score does not, IMO, reflect this game. It was closer than that. The game ended with that fumble though. That was the clear turning point. I thought Chad played well overall. Leon looked alright.
Looking towards the future, we need to improve the defense. A big time RB would help. The main thing though is to improve the defense.
Lastly, I have to be happy with this season, even if it ended in dissapointment. Hell, every season ends with dissapointment for every team except 1, and we all know that this was not a SB team. Of course, it would have been very sweet to beat the Patriots. But, in the end, when I look back at this season I have to be happy with it and it is one that caused me great enjoyment.
fredgmuggs
01-07-07, 03:51 PM
What to say, what to say... I usually feel, when the Jets lose to the Patriots or in the playoffs that we got screwed somewhere. That we were just as good of a team but our coach is a moron or the refs were terrible. I can't say that in this game. We lost to the better team.
Personally, I feel the Patriots played a near perfect game. Besides the fumble of course. They picked up the blitzes exceptionally which absolutely killed us. They completed way too many 3rd and longs.
The final score does not, IMO, reflect this game. It was closer than that. The game ended with that fumble though. That was the clear turning point. I thought Chad played well overall. Leon looked alright.
Looking towards the future, we need to improve the defense. A big time RB would help. The main thing though is to improve the defense.
Lastly, I have to be happy with this season, even if it ended in dissapointment. Hell, every season ends with dissapointment for every team except 1, and we all know that this was not a SB team. Of course, it would have been very sweet to beat the Patriots. But, in the end, when I look back at this season I have to be happy with it and it is one that caused me great enjoyment.
JWF, the big difference for the Jets' future is they now have a young coach that's going to turn this franchise around. Mangini is the real deal and the Jets future is bright because of that.
Soriambi
01-07-07, 04:07 PM
The final score does not, IMO, reflect this game. It was closer than that. The game ended with that fumble though. That was the clear turning point. I thought Chad played well overall. Leon looked alright.
Agreed, for the most part. I thought that it was a very winnable game for the Jets, and that it could have easily gone the Jets way, but the Patriots played a better game. It all came down to that lateral and not being able to stop the Pats on 3rd and 8 (plus the fact that they ended up with 3 FGs on 3 trips into the red zone.) The Pats played extremely well, but I think it was a very close game that could have gone either way despite the score.
That being said, it was a good year, and I'm very optimistic about the future.
Sorry Jets fans. I really wanted to see your guys play mine next week. :(
RIyankee
01-07-07, 04:12 PM
Sorry Jets fans. I really wanted to see your guys play mine next week. :(
Don't worry, I like your chances.
RIyankee
01-07-07, 04:14 PM
Agreed, for the most part. I thought that it was a very winnable game for the Jets, and that it could have easily gone the Jets way, but the Patriots played a better game. It all came down to that lateral and not being able to stop the Pats on 3rd and 8 (plus the fact that they ended up with 3 FGs on 3 trips into the red zone.) The Pats played extremely well, but I think it was a very close game that could have gone either way despite the score.
That being said, it was a good year, and I'm very optimistic about the future.
Mangini should have won COY.
The Jets came to play today and I expected no less.
BTW, I understand how the Jets really feel about Herm. He's a proven loser. :mad:
AMYanks
01-07-07, 04:17 PM
I can't be mad at this team, or this coach. They had a tremendous season, but ran into a team that was bigger, stronger, and better.
Don't worry, I like your chances.
Nice sig!!! :lol:
RIyankee
01-07-07, 04:24 PM
Nice sig!!! :lol:
Oh, I do hope I'm wrong. But, SD has two thing that give the Pats fits, a dangerous receiver out of the backfield (LDT) and a great receiving TE. Plus thay can blitz.
Oh, I do hope I'm wrong. But, SD has two thing that give the Pats fits, a dangerous receiver out of the backfield (LDT) and a great receiving TE. Plus thay can blitz.
May the fits continue! :D
Now, we'd better stop discussing this in the Jets thread or we may get in trouble.
#1PaFan
01-07-07, 05:29 PM
Mangini should have won COY.
If I had a vote, he would have received it.
dabomb2045
01-07-07, 05:37 PM
We have to figure out how to get better now. This year was a nice improvement, but next year we need to take the next step. We have alot of cap room.....so who do we go after??
Like I said, we need at least one (maybe two) big interior DL....someone who can take up space and stuff the run. We need better LB's. Vilma is really good, but he needs help....we need more playmakers at that spot. We need to upgrade the cornerback spot. Maybe we go after Clements or Samuel?? And we definetly need a RB. Washington is a nice change of pace/3rd down back....but he isnt an every down guy. We need to start looking for Martin's successor.
Our defense was exposed badly today. We just cant compete with the upper echelon teams yet. And until we do upgrade the defense, we will have the same problem.
We'll really see what Mangini and Tannenbaum are made of this offseason. What moves can they make to upgrade the team which allows them to step up next year and play with the big boys.
JeffWeaverFan
01-07-07, 05:40 PM
There is no doubt we will go after Samuel if the Patriots don't put the franchise tag on him.
PinstripePride
01-07-07, 05:48 PM
There is no doubt we will go after Samuel if the Patriots don't put the franchise tag on him.
Samuel and Rhodes in the secondary. :drool:
AMYanks
01-07-07, 06:13 PM
The most important thing is getting bigger and stronger on both the offensive and defensive lines. Teams that are big and strong in the trenches (New England, Jacksonville just to name two) have dominated us there this season. We need to replace atleast two on the OL, and one, maybe two on the DL.
Also need a RB, to complement Washington, and replace Houston/Barlow.
Soriambi
01-07-07, 06:52 PM
The most important thing is getting bigger and stronger on both the offensive and defensive lines. Teams that are big and strong in the trenches (New England, Jacksonville just to name two) have dominated us there this season. We need to replace atleast two on the OL, and one, maybe two on the DL.
Also need a RB, to complement Washington, and replace Houston/Barlow.
I see Washington as a very, very good and useful #2 back, so I'd want someone who can handle a majority of the carries. I think Washington is the type of guy who you want to bring in on 3rd down or other passing downs, and at various other points. I think that that's where he's most effective, and he's very good in that role. I think that he could be a #1 back in a pinch, but in that case you need a better backup than Houston/Barlow. Does anyone know how much cap room we're going to have to work with? People were saying last year that we wouldn't be out from under our cap woes for a few years, but Mike said earlier that we have a lot of room.
AMYanks
01-07-07, 06:59 PM
I see Washington as a very, very good and useful #2 back, so I'd want someone who can handle a majority of the carries. I think Washington is the type of guy who you want to bring in on 3rd down or other passing downs, and at various other points. I think that that's where he's most effective, and he's very good in that role. I think that he could be a #1 back in a pinch, but in that case you need a better backup than Houston/Barlow. Does anyone know how much cap room we're going to have to work with? People were saying last year that we wouldn't be out from under our cap woes for a few years, but Mike said earlier that we have a lot of room.
$28 million in cap room.
I agree with Washington. My idea of his "complement" is to get a starting RB. Washington is a good 3rd down back who can take 8-10 carries a game, and get the big gain on a gadget play here and there.
Soriambi
01-07-07, 07:11 PM
$28 million in cap room.
I agree with Washington. My idea of his "complement" is to get a starting RB. Washington is a good 3rd down back who can take 8-10 carries a game, and get the big gain on a gadget play here and there.
That's impressive that they freed 28 million in cap room when the "experts'" thought that they were basically screwed for several years cap-wise before the season started. It's good that we have that much room, because we still have a bunch of needs. (I basically agree with Mike on the needs. Run-stoppers, a RB, and possibly LBs/DBs if things make sense. I think we're fine with Chad, and the situation with WRs/TEs is fine. I think we could use one more offensive lineman, too, as you said.)
I don't know what to do about the kickoffs. It seems like Nugent can't barely get it past the 10 most of the time which really hurts us in the field position game. He's kicking FGs very well now, though.
AMYanks
01-07-07, 10:49 PM
I don't know what to do about the kickoffs. It seems like Nugent can't barely get it past the 10 most of the time which really hurts us in the field position game. He's kicking FGs very well now, though.
He's been very inconsistent on kickoffs. I know they were talking about Graham possibly handling kickoff duties, but he had never done it before in his life, never even tried it in practice, and when he finally did this season he had no idea. I'm sure it will be something that they spend a lot of time on in training camp. Nugent has turned into a great FG kicker, but his kickoffs have led to horrible field position, and that has killed us.
It was a disappointing game, but I just have to be positive overall. The Pats played a naer perfect game and there was nothing the Jets could really do. They just got beat by the better team.
I agree about Nugent. However, his FG's were shaky last year and he seems to be much better there, so now the kickoffs just need to be worked on. It may be a bit to "work in progress" for a second round pick, but his kicking has improved and I don't hate him anymore.
I think everyone else here has the needs spot on in terms of offense and defense, and I wouldn't be surprised if they addressed the D-Line this year as they addressed the O-Line last year. The building blocks all seem to be in place and Clemens will have a year of learning the offense under his belt if Chad can't hold up next season. Mangini/Tannenbaum have definitely earned my trust.
My backing for overall now goes to New Orleans, but I'll definitely be pulling for San Diego next weekend. Let's go LDT!
dabomb2045
01-07-07, 11:04 PM
He's been very inconsistent on kickoffs. I know they were talking about Graham possibly handling kickoff duties, but he had never done it before in his life, never even tried it in practice, and when he finally did this season he had no idea. I'm sure it will be something that they spend a lot of time on in training camp. Nugent has turned into a great FG kicker, but his kickoffs have led to horrible field position, and that has killed us.
We need to find a kickoff specialist for next season.....we cant keep giving away good field position
Pepper03
01-08-07, 06:52 AM
You guys have a lot to look forward to.:)
Congratulations on a very good season. The Jets gave the Pats all they could handle until the last 5 minutes, which is pretty good if you ask me.
Looks like we'll be having alot of fun for years to come.:D
RIyankee
01-08-07, 07:20 AM
There is no doubt we will go after Samuel if the Patriots don't put the franchise tag on him.
Get ready to pay.
Then again, I'm certain the Pats will tag him. They won't let Samuel walk for nothing. It wouldn't surprise me if they are negotiating with his agent (a friend of a friend) already.
The Jets could make a run at Graham and/or Tully Banta-Cain.
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
01-08-07, 11:55 AM
Disappointing loss but I was over it 10 minutes after the game. You feel like this team is on the rise, that there is actually a chance we could we a championship in the next few years.
Anyway, the game was won by them and lost by us on the line of scrimmage, like most games are. The Pats o-line was tremendous, and their d-line as well. Our blitzes were picked up all day, and also credit Maroney and Dillon on that. Seymour had his way with Brick, who needs to put on some weight for next year. If the Jets ever want to be a dominant team every season like I know they are dedicated to becoming I think you will continue to see them build that o-line, which is more important for success than a star halfback or quarterback. Look at those Cowboy teams in the 90s, the Broncos in the late 90s, the Pats, the Steelers throughout their recent run of success and also the Ravens in their SB year...they all had or have dominant offensive and defensive lines. Start there and build out. Thankfully, we have management in place that knows this and will continue to do just that...keep building the foundation.
dabomb2045
01-08-07, 01:18 PM
Get ready to pay.
Then again, I'm certain the Pats will tag him. They won't let Samuel walk for nothing. It wouldn't surprise me if they are negotiating with his agent (a friend of a friend) already.
The Jets could make a run at Graham and/or Tully Banta-Cain.
Whats your opinion of Nate Clements?? And would the Bills tag him?
RIyankee
01-08-07, 01:30 PM
Whats your opinion of Nate Clements?? And would the Bills tag him?
I trust Joyner's analysis. Clements is still young and I'm sure Mangini can get the most out of him. He would definitely be an improvement. Again, the questions are tags and dollars. CBs go at a premium these days.
Keep in mind this article was dated 11/14/2006.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=2679672
Underrated/Overrated tandem pick
1. Terrence McGee (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6447)/Nate Clements (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5468), Buffalo Bills -- This pair has to be the perfect example of why I hate hype so much. In every Bills' broadcast, the announcers trip over themselves to praise Clements as a great player, while McGee is merely touted as an up-and-coming player. Clements was the high draft pick and signed the big free-agent deal, so the assumption is he must be a much better player.
The metrics show McGee is nearly as good as, if not better than, Clements. In 2005, McGee had a YPA that was 1.5 yards better than Clements and his success percentage was nearly identical to that of Clements. Clements is ahead in the YPA and success percentage columns this year, but the difference between them isn't terribly significant.
Clements has allowed only 49 fewer yards than McGee on nearly the same number of pass attempts. McGee has allowed five touchdowns while Clements has allowed one, but their numbers are nearly identical otherwise.
Nevertheless, Clements is still seen as the Pro Bowl-caliber player and McGee is merely viewed as a solid starter.
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Soriambi
01-08-07, 02:47 PM
We need to find a kickoff specialist for next season.....we cant keep giving away good field position
The problem is that you hate carrying three kickers (two Ks and a P), because that means you carry one less guy that can be useful doing something else. I'm really not sure exactly what they should do.
dabomb2045
01-08-07, 03:12 PM
The problem is that you hate carrying three kickers (two Ks and a P), because that means you carry one less guy that can be useful doing something else. I'm really not sure exactly what they should do.
I dont think they have a choice. Having a kicker with a big kickoff leg isnt something that you can teach or improve on. Its just like a QB....either he has a strong arm or he doesnt. A kicker either has a strong leg with kickoffs or he doesnt.
We got hurt on Nugent's short kickoffs all season....he rarely gets inside the 10, and most of the time is between the 10-15. So your opponent is almost always starting their drives past the 30 at the minimum.
Soriambi
01-08-07, 03:22 PM
I dont think they have a choice. Having a kicker with a big kickoff leg isnt something that you can teach or improve on. Its just like a QB....either he has a strong arm or he doesnt. A kicker either has a strong leg with kickoffs or he doesnt.
We got hurt on Nugent's short kickoffs all season....he rarely gets inside the 10, and most of the time is between the 10-15. So your opponent is almost always starting their drives past the 30 at the minimum.
Well, the choice is whether you cut Nugent, which you hate to do since he was a 2nd rounder and he's been kicking FGs very well, and pick up a guy who can kickoff well AND kick FGs, or do you carry three kickers, something which I don't think any NFL team does. (Or do you cut Graham and find a punter who can also kick off.) There are choices, but I think the situation needs to be addressed somehow.
dabomb2045
01-08-07, 03:25 PM
Well, the choice is whether you cut Nugent, which you hate to do since he was a 2nd rounder and he's been kicking FGs very well, and pick up a guy who can kickoff well AND kick FGs, or do you carry three kickers, something which I don't think any NFL team does. (Or do you cut Graham and find a punter who can also kick off.) There are choices, but I think the situation needs to be addressed somehow.
You cant cut Nugent....he seems to have settled in with his FG kicking after a shaky rookie year. Graham is a good punter too, so I dont think you can cut him either.
There have been some teams that have carried 3 kickers in the past (I remember the Colts doing it when they had Vanderjagt, because he didnt do kickoffs). Its something the Jets will have to think about doing if they value field position.
CallOfTheCrow
01-08-07, 03:57 PM
I was seething to see the Pats starting out on their own 35-40 nearly every kickoff return yesterday. That was definitely vital.
CallOfTheCrow
01-08-07, 07:13 PM
Curtis Martin is retiring because of the bone-on-bone condition in his knee according to scout.com
PinstripePride
01-08-07, 07:33 PM
Curtis Martin is retiring because of the bone-on-bone condition in his knee according to scout.com
Not a surprise, but definately sad.
Thanks for everything, Curt.
CallOfTheCrow
01-08-07, 08:03 PM
Here's a quote since I can't post the page.
"I’ve come to grips with the fact that my career is probably over," said Martin on Monday. "As I said, I’m grateful that I put in my all and I put my heart out on the field. I’ve done everything I can to help my team win games and at the end of the day, that’s something I can leave the game with; no regrets."
PinstripePride
01-08-07, 08:48 PM
Here's a quote since I can't post the page.
"I’ve come to grips with the fact that my career is probably over," said Martin on Monday. "As I said, I’m grateful that I put in my all and I put my heart out on the field. I’ve done everything I can to help my team win games and at the end of the day, that’s something I can leave the game with; no regrets."
Awesome. Curtis is THE MAN. Best player this franchise has ever seen, and may ever see for a long time. My hat goes off to him. :gulp:
JeffWeaverFan
01-09-07, 09:42 AM
Chad will once again be in competition for the starting job next year.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2725186
Even though he was named the NFL's Comeback Player of the Year and led the New York Jets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyj) to a surprising playoff berth, Chad Pennington (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5047) will have to start at square one in 2007 for coach Eric Mangini.
"I think Chad did a great job," Mangini said. "Like with every position, we're going to evaluate it as we go. But I really believe in Chad. I just think as a core philosophy, that's what we believe in. In terms of competition, this is no statement one way or the other, but I believe in competition."
RIyankee
01-09-07, 09:58 AM
Chad will once again be in competition for the starting job next year.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2725186
The big question is who's the Jets long-term answer at QB? I see Chad as the starter in '07.
The Jets are hoping the answer will be Clemens.
FWIW...
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=1248
One: Belichick owns quarterbacks in the postseason
Chad Pennington acquitted himself quite well in the Jets’ 37-16 loss to the Patriots on Sunday.
He completed 23 of 40 passes for 300 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT and a 79.2 passer rating.
It actually stands as one of the better performances ever against a Bill Belichick defense in the postseason.
Belichick has coached 28 playoff games as a defensive coordinator or head coach. Pennington was just the sixth quarterback in those 28 games to reach the 300-yard mark.
Here’s a look at the cumulative passing performance of opposing quarterbacks in these 28 postseason games against a Belichick defense:
534 for 1,016 (51.6%), 6,530 yards, 6.5 YPA, 30 TDs, 39 INTs, 66.5 passer rating
Eleven of those games were played against MVP-award-winning QBs; six were played against future Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
JeffWeaverFan
01-09-07, 06:38 PM
The big question is who's the Jets long-term answer at QB? I see Chad as the starter in '07.
The Jets are hoping the answer will be Clemens.
FWIW...
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=1248
I also think Chad will start in '07. Personally, I believe that Clemens would be best off by learning the offense for 2 full years before getting his shot.
About that, it was obviously noticeable in that game that Chad doesn't have a strong arm. Still though, because he is accurate, he had relative success against the Patriots strong D. I still think that if you put a big time RB with him, he'll be a very good QB.
TheoShmeo
01-09-07, 07:19 PM
I also think Chad will start in '07. Personally, I believe that Clemens would be best off by learning the offense for 2 full years before getting his shot.
About that, it was obviously noticeable in that game that Chad doesn't have a strong arm. Still though, because he is accurate, he had relative success against the Patriots strong D. I still think that if you put a big time RB with him, he'll be a very good QB.
Pennington had some success against the Pats on Sunday and in the prior two match-ups, but the biggest reason why I'd keep looking if I were Mangini is that his weak arm puts them at a disadvantage when they need to score points in a hurry. I know that they did just that against the Dolphins and that Pennington completed some passes for long gains against the Pats this year, but most of those were short passes or medium passes that turned into great YAC plays or were fluky (Cotchery and, to some extent, Coles in week 2, for example). A quarterback who can do well in any game, incluidng a game when he needs to score points in a hurry, has a great fastball as part of the arsenal, and Chad is much more dink and dunk than a complete pitcher.
I also note that Mangini's announcement that it will be an open competition is a little odd to me. I understand the premise of competition at every position, but QB seems like it should be different, and Pennington did have a good year. Maybe Mangini is motivated by some of the concerns noted above.
JWF, I resisted the urge to add a signature line "in response" to your earlier Richard Seymour quote...
JeffWeaverFan
01-09-07, 09:51 PM
Pennington had some success against the Pats on Sunday and in the prior two match-ups, but the biggest reason why I'd keep looking if I were Mangini is that his weak arm puts them at a disadvantage when they need to score points in a hurry. I know that they did just that against the Dolphins and that Pennington completed some passes for long gains against the Pats this year, but most of those were short passes or medium passes that turned into great YAC plays or were fluky (Cotchery and, to some extent, Coles in week 2, for example). A quarterback who can do well in any game, incluidng a game when he needs to score points in a hurry, has a great fastball as part of the arsenal, and Chad is much more dink and dunk than a complete pitcher.
Firstly, it doest put the Jets in a disadvantage if they need to score points very quickly, but how often does that happen? I mean, if the Jets are down by a TD with 2 minutes left and have a couple timeouts, Chad will be able to get the job done. I, personally, think that what Chad lacks in arm power he makes up for in accuracy and not throwing INT's (although this year, he needed to be better in the latter department).
And by the way, most Jet fans disagree with me on these points...
I also note that Mangini's announcement that it will be an open competition is a little odd to me. I understand the premise of competition at every position, but QB seems like it should be different, and Pennington did have a good year. Maybe Mangini is motivated by some of the concerns noted above.
JWF, I resisted the urge to add a signature line "in response" to your earlier Richard Seymour quote...
I'm not completely shocked by it, but I would have guessed Chad would have had the job... This could also mean that Mangini liked what he saw from Clemens in practice and thinks he might do a better job than Chad. I do think Chad will win the job though.
What would the response have been out of curiosity?
CallOfTheCrow
01-09-07, 09:54 PM
That weak arm is going to get one of his receivers seriously hurt one day
JeffWeaverFan
01-09-07, 09:56 PM
That weak arm is going to get one of his receivers seriously hurt one day
The only game I was really worried about that happening was in the Miami game, when he was sick as a dog.
dabomb2045
01-09-07, 10:06 PM
I dont think we're gonna win a championship with Chad.....hopefully Clemens is the real deal
CallOfTheCrow
01-09-07, 10:09 PM
Chad has nice touch but we need someone with a much stronger arm to get down the field faster in 2:00 or less situations. With his weak arm, they're relying on a decent pass & a whole lot of running on the receiving end.
I'm basically repeating what everyone is already saying soooo yeah. :P
JeffWeaverFan
01-09-07, 10:53 PM
I dont think we're gonna win a championship with Chad.....hopefully Clemens is the real deal
We wouldn't win a championship with the defense and running game we have right now, no matter who is the QB. If you get a big time RB and the OL continues to get better, Chad can win a championship.
TheoShmeo
01-10-07, 12:27 AM
What would the response have been out of curiosity?
A quote from one of the Jets players about how devastating the loss was or how the Pats outplayed or outschemed them. I noticed a few that looked good. But I'm basically from the Red Auerbach "be a bad loser and good winner" school -- he said that to a youth group I was part of in the 70s and it stuck with me -- so I bagged the idea.
PinstripePride
01-10-07, 01:05 AM
A quote from one of the Jets players about how devastating the loss was or how the Pats outplayed or outschemed them. I noticed a few that looked good. But I'm basically from the Red Auerbach "be a bad loser and good winner" school -- he said that to a youth group I was part of in the 70s and it stuck with me -- so I bagged the idea.
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