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Soriambi
10-01-06, 06:13 PM
SNY says Houston and Coles are fine.
Wow. I thought that both of them were hurt real bad. That's great news if it's true.
AMYanks
10-01-06, 06:23 PM
Another source's info on Houston and Coles... not good:
http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2006/10/01/colts-31-jets-28/
Nothing official will be known on running back Cedric Houston or wide receiver Laveranues Coles until tomorrow. But having just returned from the Jets locker room, here’s what can be reported through basic observation:
Houston hobbled out of the stadium on crutches with his right leg elevated slightly. At times, he dropped his right leg down to put weight on it, but not often. It doesn’t look too good for him.
Coles was in the locker room to address the media. After telling wave after wave of reporters that he was ``OK,’’ he said if he wasn’t OK, he wouldn’t be talking to us. Still, he appeared to hurt his right wrist and the whispers downstairs were he underwent an immediate X-ray.
It is ridiculous to think that both the Jets and Giants were one drive away from sinking the Colts.
Combined, the NY teams could very well have been 6-1 at Week 4.
Soriambi
10-01-06, 08:17 PM
Another source's info on Houston and Coles... not good:
http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2006/10/01/colts-31-jets-28/
Well, that doesn't sound good about Houston. It sounds a bit better about Coles. I don't think that getting an x-ray really shows anything. Players get precautionary x-rays all the time. Hopefully Coles doesn't miss much time. I think that we can afford to lose Houston even though I probably like him as much or more as the other RBs. It's not like he's a star that will cripple the team to lose. Coles would, obviously, be a much bigger loss if he's out for an extended period.
dabomb2045
10-01-06, 08:26 PM
Too bad about Houston. I happen to believe he is our best RB.
JeffWeaverFan
10-01-06, 08:35 PM
Too bad about Houston. I happen to believe he is our best RB.
I think so too... As someone that lived in Nashville for a while, I knew a lot of Tennesee fans and waht they told me was that they though Houston was a very good RB but wouldn't stay healthy enough to be a starting RB in this league.
JeffWeaverFan
10-02-06, 09:21 AM
Injury news
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1159762814237350.xml&coll=1
Jets running back Cedric Houston suffered what is believed to be a hyperextended left knee late in the third quarter of yesterday's 31-28 loss to the Colts at Giants Stadium. He will undergo an MRI today, according to someone with knowledge of his medical status.
That person requested anonymity because of the Jets' policy against releasing injury information. It's not known how long Houston will be sidelined.
(...)
Although he appeared badly injured at the time, wide receiver Laveranues Coles seemed fine after the game despite being shaken up on the final play.
Too bad about Houston. He looked like our best RB.
Soriambi
10-02-06, 09:38 AM
Oh, and by the way, I am rapidly losing my patience with Mike Nugent. He has to kick the ball past the freaking 15 yard line on his kickoffs.
RIyankee
10-02-06, 09:42 AM
Injury news
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1159762814237350.xml&coll=1
Too bad about Houston. He looked like our best RB.
If that's all it is, Houston should return soon.
Going for it on 4th and goal from the 4 was a bad decision on 3 levels:
Bad coaching decision to go for the TD.
Bad play call to pass rather than run against a suspect Indy rush defense.
Bad decision by Pennington to force a bad throw, knowing that an INT would likely result in a touchback.
A moral victory, but a bad loss for the Jets. Now they have to go down to Jacksonville to play a desperate Jags team that can't afford to lose their 3rd in a row in front of their home fans.
Then again, making the playoffs was an unrealistic expectation, but at least the Jets are a young team that is playing better than most people have expected. As I've said, I believe the Jets are on the right path and will challenge NE for the AFC East in 2007.
Soriambi
10-02-06, 09:50 AM
If that's all it is, Houston should return soon.
Going for it on 4th and goal from the 4 was a bad decision on 3 levels:
Bad coaching decision to go for the TD.
Bad play call to pass rather than run against a suspect Indy rush defense.
Bad decision by Pennington to force a bad throw, knowing that an INT would likely result in a touchback.
A couple of points here:
I agree that it was a bad decision, but at least according to the Stadium scoreboard they were at the 2, not the 4. Also, I don't know if I would have run considering they had just run 3 straight downs and gotten negative one yard, if I remember correctly. The play call was a bit suspect, though, I agree.
RIyankee
10-02-06, 03:46 PM
Then again, making the playoffs was an unrealistic expectation, but at least the Jets are a young team that is playing better than most people have expected.
Then again I could be wrong...
Oct 8 @Jacksonville 4:05pm 2-3
Oct 15 Miami 4:15pm 3-3
Oct 22 Detroit 1:00pm 4-3
Oct 29 @Cleveland 4:15pm 5-3
Week 9 BYE
Nov 12 @New England 1:00pm 5-4
Nov 19 Chicago 1:00pm 5-5
Nov 26 Houston 1:00pm 6-5
Dec 3 @Green Bay 1:00pm 7-5
Dec 10 Buffalo 1:00pm 8-5
Dec 17 @Minnesota 1:00pm 8-6
Dec 25 @Miami 8:30pm 9-6
Dec 31 Oakland 1:00pm 10-6
Soriambi
10-02-06, 03:49 PM
Then again I could be wrong...
Oct 8 @Jacksonville 4:05pm 2-3
Oct 15 Miami 4:15pm 3-3
Oct 22 Detroit 1:00pm 4-3
Oct 29 @Cleveland 4:15pm 5-3
Week 9 BYE
Nov 12 @New England 1:00pm 5-4
Nov 19 Chicago 1:00pm 5-5
Nov 26 Houston 1:00pm 6-5
Dec 3 @Green Bay 1:00pm 7-5
Dec 10 Buffalo 1:00pm 8-5
Dec 17 @Minnesota 1:00pm 8-6
Dec 25 @Miami 8:30pm 9-6
Dec 31 Oakland 1:00pm 10-6
That's the way I project it, but I'm thinking that there might be one or two of those very winnable games that they lose. Hopefully they make up for it by winning one or two of the ones that you have as losses. I think that they're very capable of beating Jacksonville or Minnesota if they get a few bounces, but I'm not confident at all about New England in NE or Chicago.
JeffWeaverFan
10-02-06, 06:24 PM
Minnesota is also a very winnable game.
dabomb2045
10-02-06, 08:25 PM
I'd be happy if this team finished at least .500
Also, if anyone hears anything about Coles, please post.
I should start him this week just to drive you nuts...:lol:
JeffWeaverFan
10-04-06, 09:33 PM
I'd be happy if this team finished at least .500
I expect more than that. Given the schedule (as long as Chad stays healthy), 10 wins is not unreasonable.
JeffWeaverFan
10-08-06, 02:08 PM
I'm in a bad mood but I have to say this. This team better win today. I don't want them playing well but just coming up short. They are playing a Jaguar team who doesn't have Stroud or Wiley. No excuses. I don't want to hear about moral victories after the game either. Just f*cking win the Goddamn game.
MattManNWO
10-08-06, 04:06 PM
what the f?
BillBuckner
10-08-06, 04:15 PM
Oh no, We suck again!
dabomb2045
10-08-06, 04:17 PM
Nice to see that the team showed up today. Apparently they decided to take a vacation to the same place the Yanks did.
dabomb2045
10-08-06, 04:20 PM
And another thing too....the NFL has to do something about these personal foul hits on the QB. They treat these QB's like 3 year old girls in diapers, its ridiculous.
Vilma and now just Barton have gotten flagged for two AWFUL personal fouls on Leftwich. Barton just cleanly tackled him for a safety and he gets flagged. Vilma had a clean hit on Leftwich earlier....flag. How about we just outlaw touching the QB??
This crap is ridiculous
PinstripePride
10-08-06, 04:54 PM
What an absolute sh!twreck.
AMYanks
10-08-06, 05:30 PM
Oh no...
Well... atleast we get Miami next week.
A loss is a loss, 2-3 isn't so terrible and we got to see how good Leon Washington could be.
JeffWeaverFan
10-08-06, 06:18 PM
Well, I certainly didn't get the "moral victory" I was hoping not to get...
And dambomb, seriously, those were 2 of the worst calls I've ever seen.
BillBuckner
10-08-06, 06:46 PM
Well fellas, our Jets really $hit the bed this week.
hugelongtermdeal
10-09-06, 09:37 AM
Then again I could be wrong...
Oct 8 @Jacksonville 4:05pm 2-3
Oct 15 Miami 4:15pm 3-3
Oct 22 Detroit 1:00pm 4-3
Oct 29 @Cleveland 4:15pm 5-3
Week 9 BYE
Nov 12 @New England 1:00pm 5-4
Nov 19 Chicago 1:00pm 5-5
Nov 26 Houston 1:00pm 6-5
Dec 3 @Green Bay 1:00pm 7-5
Dec 10 Buffalo 1:00pm 8-5
Dec 17 @Minnesota 1:00pm 8-6
Dec 25 @Miami 8:30pm 9-6
Dec 31 Oakland 1:00pm 10-6
after watching miami's defense against the Pats yesterday .. I'm not so sure I'd chalk up two automatic wins.
Chads weak arm will prevent this team from going to the next level...
JeffWeaverFan
10-09-06, 10:48 AM
Chads weak arm will prevent this team from going to the next level...
I disagree. I think Chad is a good enough QB to win a championship. Yesterdays game was not a good example of that, but it also should be noted that that was the worst game he has ever had in his career.
TheoShmeo
10-09-06, 04:20 PM
I think Chad is a good enough QB to win a championship.
I think that's wishful thinking. Pennington can't zip the ball into tight coverage or throw an accurate long pass with any consistency. That was true yesterday and it's been true for the last several years. As a Pats fan, I knew that there was no way he'd drive the Jets down field when they got the ball after the missed field goal in week two. That was an admittedly tall order (90 yards, one minute and not timeouts), but to be a champion QB, you have to have the strong arm throws in your arsenal UNLESS you are lucky enough to have a ridiculously dominating defense.
dabomb2045
10-15-06, 06:24 PM
Glad we won, but not happy with how we played defense the last 9 minutes of the game. I've been ecstatic with the coaching staff this year....but the way they played the last 9 minutes reminded me of the old Herm staff who always played "not to lose" and never played "to win".
We just sat back on defense, rushed 3 guys, and let Harrington pick us apart. Why no blitzing?? Why not rush at least 4 guys?? The passiveness of the team towards the end of the game almost cost us a win. And its too bad because we dominated this game and played great the majority of it.
Hopefully the coaching staff learns from this.
BillBuckner
10-15-06, 06:32 PM
Ugly win... but still a win!!! :D
26 and counting
10-15-06, 06:39 PM
Then again I could be wrong...
Oct 8 @Jacksonville 4:05pm 2-3
Oct 15 Miami 4:15pm 3-3
Oct 22 Detroit 1:00pm 4-3
Oct 29 @Cleveland 4:15pm 5-3
Week 9 BYE
Nov 12 @New England 1:00pm 5-4
Nov 19 Chicago 1:00pm 5-5
Nov 26 Houston 1:00pm 6-5
Dec 3 @Green Bay 1:00pm 7-5
Dec 10 Buffalo 1:00pm 8-5
Dec 17 @Minnesota 1:00pm 8-6
Dec 25 @Miami 8:30pm 9-6
Dec 31 Oakland 1:00pm 10-6
The Jets have a really easy schedule. Wanna trade with the Giants?:D
I absolutely despise this "prevent" defense they decided to run in the 4th quarter that made the game waaaay too close.
That said, in a rebuilding year, I have to be satisfied with 3-3. Considering that originally it seemed like the Jets might not win 3 games all SEASON, I can't be too unhappy.
And Coles has to be one of the toughest receivers out there. Great game and all with a sprained hand. Pennington and the offense also had a nice rebound from the Jacksonville game, at least in the second quarter. So while it got waaaay too scary at the end (and Mangini needs to work on 4th quarter defense), it resulted in a "W", not a "L".
AMYanks
10-15-06, 07:14 PM
They actually blitzed a ton towards the end of the game, but none of them could get to Harrington.
Soriambi
10-15-06, 08:35 PM
Phew.
dabomb2045
10-15-06, 09:01 PM
I absolutely despise this "prevent" defense they decided to run in the 4th quarter that made the game waaaay too close.
That said, in a rebuilding year, I have to be satisfied with 3-3. Considering that originally it seemed like the Jets might not win 3 games all SEASON, I can't be too unhappy.
And Coles has to be one of the toughest receivers out there. Great game and all with a sprained hand. Pennington and the offense also had a nice rebound from the Jacksonville game, at least in the second quarter. So while it got waaaay too scary at the end (and Mangini needs to work on 4th quarter defense), it resulted in a "W", not a "L".
Yeah, I'm happy they won....the prevent defense pissed me off though. I dont understand why teams do it. You play GREAT one way for the entire game, and then you decide to change everything and just sit back and be passive. I hate it. Just keep doing whats working.
JeffWeaverFan
10-15-06, 09:43 PM
To be honest, I didn't see much of a change in the defense, rather Harrington started to throw the ball better. We were still blitzing here and there, like we always were, but Harrington was making great passes.
The bottom line though is we got the W. Our running game looked allright too, although I still want to see more of Leon Washington and less of Kevan Barlow.
PinstripePride
10-16-06, 01:27 PM
I still want to see more of Leon Washington and less of Kevan Barlow.
+1. Barlow is terrible.
dabomb2045
10-16-06, 01:32 PM
+1. Barlow is terrible.
Make that +2. Washington has a nice burst at the line, and breaks tackles. Barlow does neither.
Soriambi
10-16-06, 01:35 PM
I still want to see more of Leon Washington and less of Kevan Barlow.
+178
Washington has impressed me, at least a bit. Barlow has not.
JeffWeaverFan
10-17-06, 11:09 AM
So, for anyone that watched the Cardinals-Bears game last night, did Dennis Green remind anyone else of Herman Edwards with how he ran the ball on 2nd and 2 and 3rd and 2 when everyone knew that Edge would not get the 1st down?
RIyankee
10-17-06, 11:26 AM
So, for anyone that watched the Cardinals-Bears game last night, did Dennis Green remind anyone else of Herman Edwards with how he ran the ball on 2nd and 2 and 3rd and 2 when everyone knew that Edge would not get the 1st down?
Fumbles and special teams. You can't screw up either one and expect to win. Looks like Polian knew what he was doing in letting Edge go.
JeffWeaverFan
10-17-06, 12:46 PM
Fumbles and special teams. You can't screw up either one and expect to win. Looks like Polian knew what he was doing in letting Edge go.
I agree. Edge's fumble was a disgrace. Giving up a punt return for a TD is even more of a disgrace. Still though, why is Green settling for a 40 yard field goal? That is no gimme at all. Let Leinart throw the ball at least one more time. Playing not to lose will end up with you doing just that.
In Mo I Trust
10-17-06, 12:54 PM
I agree. Edge's fumble was a disgrace. Giving up a punt return for a TD is even more of a disgrace. Still though, why is Green settling for a 40 yard field goal? That is no gimme at all. Let Leinart throw the ball at least one more time. Playing not to lose will end up with you doing just that.
Yea that was shades of schottenheimer, a pressure packed 40 yarder is no gimme.
dabomb2045
10-17-06, 04:01 PM
I agree. Edge's fumble was a disgrace. Giving up a punt return for a TD is even more of a disgrace. Still though, why is Green settling for a 40 yard field goal? That is no gimme at all. Let Leinart throw the ball at least one more time. Playing not to lose will end up with you doing just that.
Yep. I hate these coaches that coach scared.
dabomb2045
10-20-06, 05:39 PM
Question for my fellow Jets fans....when Curtis decides to hang it up after this season, do you think the Jets will retire his number??
I think it should definetly happen.
PinstripePride
10-22-06, 02:50 PM
Question for my fellow Jets fans....when Curtis decides to hang it up after this season, do you think the Jets will retire his number??
I think it should definetly happen.
No doubt about it. One of the greatest and most consistent running backs in the NFL.
On a side not, Leon Washington has looked AWESOME today. I'm really, really starting to like him.
I know the Jets are winning, but honestly, who else is getting tired of this amazing Jets Rush 3 Guys, Leave 8 Guys Back in Coverage Prevent Defense? An NFL quarterback will find receivers given enough time, it ALWAYS happens. Good god, it seems like 80% of the opponents' yards and points come in the 4th quarter while the Jets are doing their best to take 14+ point leads and win by 1
If they don't recover the onside kick from Detroit, they stand a great chance of being taken to overtime after leading by 14 with 4 minutes to go. This happens every week
Soriambi
10-22-06, 04:05 PM
Question for my fellow Jets fans....when Curtis decides to hang it up after this season, do you think the Jets will retire his number??
I think it should definetly happen.
Oh, no question. He could very well be the best Jet ever.
Question for those who watched the game on TV. There was a personal foul on the Jets on the play where the ref got demolished on which all five other refs threw their flags. What was the personal foul for? I was at the game and I didn't see what happened, the ref didn't explain, and there were no replays.
AMYanks
10-22-06, 04:10 PM
I know the Jets are winning, but honestly, who else is getting tired of this amazing Jets Rush 3 Guys, Leave 8 Guys Back in Coverage Prevent Defense? An NFL quarterback will find receivers given enough time, it ALWAYS happens. Good god, it seems like 80% of the opponents' yards and points come in the 4th quarter while the Jets are doing their best to take 14+ point leads and win by 1
If they don't recover the onside kick from Detroit, they stand a great chance of being taken to overtime after leading by 14 with 4 minutes to go. This happens every week
There are times when they should blitz and they don't, but the entire thing is being way overblown. I think people are mistaking "not blitzing" with "not getting to the QB". The amount of times they blitz is not a problem, they blitz a fine amount of times, they're just having trouble getting to the QB.
There are times when they should blitz and they don't, but the entire thing is being way overblown. I think people are mistaking "not blitzing" with "not getting to the QB". The amount of times they blitz is not a problem, they blitz a fine amount of times, they're just having trouble getting to the QB.
Its not just blitzing, they don't even rush 4 guys most of the time. Watch the last 5 minutes of the game again (if possible), they blitzed on like the 4th downs and nothing else (the rest of the time they rushed 3 guys and Kitna had about 5-7 seconds each down to pick a receiver).
They definitely blitz a fine amount of times the rest of the game for a 3-4 defense, but they get away from that in the 4th quarter with a big lead, and its nearly gotten them beat 2 weeks in a row (17 pt lead w 9 minutes remaining and a 14 pt lead with 5 minutes remaning, facing 2 of the worst teams in the league. You have to close a game out better than that. I mean they made Joey Harrington into a beast)
AMYanks
10-22-06, 04:28 PM
Its not just blitzing, they don't even rush 4 guys most of the time. Watch the last 5 minutes of the game again (if possible), they blitzed on like the 4th downs and nothing else (the rest of the time they rushed 3 guys and Kitna had about 5-7 seconds each down to pick a receiver).
They definitely blitz a fine amount of times the rest of the game for a 3-4 defense, but they get away from that in the 4th quarter with a big lead, and its nearly gotten them beat 2 weeks in a row (17 pt lead w 9 minutes remaining and a 14 pt lead with 5 minutes remaning, facing 2 of the worst teams in the league. You have to close a game out better than that. I mean they made Joey Harrington into a beast)
I watched, and it was the same story as last week against Miami: they blitzed the same amount as they had the entire game, and the outcome was the same, they weren't getting any pressure on the QB and he was able to pick them apart in the intermediate routes.
I watched, and it was the same story as last week against Miami: they blitzed the same amount as they had the entire game, and the outcome was the same, they weren't getting any pressure on the QB and he was able to pick them apart in the intermediate routes.
I dont remember this happening. If this is true, why does the blitz fail at a much higher rate when they have big leads in the 4th quarter (why are they not getting to the QB anymore if they are still blitzing the same)? This doesn't make much sense to me, I'm pretty sure I saw them dropping all the linebackers back and just bringing 3 most of the time
Soriambi
10-22-06, 05:52 PM
Question for those who watched the game on TV. There was a personal foul on the Jets on the play where the ref got demolished on which all five other refs threw their flags. What was the personal foul for? I was at the game and I didn't see what happened, the ref didn't explain, and there were no replays.
Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller?
Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller?
Haha, my bad. I remember that play, with Leon Washington running into the umpire and his helmet drawing blood from the guy's nose (not a nosebleed, it literally dented and cut the outside of his nose. Yeah, he hit him hard). It was a personal foul on Chris Baker for unsportsmanlike conduct, that is all they really told us. The announcers were too busy watching the umpire to show a replay of the personal foul at all or describe it, although they showed a replay of the hit to the ump at least 5 times
Soriambi
10-22-06, 06:32 PM
Haha, my bad. I remember that play, with Leon Washington running into the umpire and his helmet drawing blood from the guy's nose (not a nosebleed, it literally dented and cut the outside of his nose. Yeah, he hit him hard). It was a personal foul on Chris Baker for unsportsmanlike conduct, that is all they really told us. The announcers were too busy watching the umpire to show a replay of the personal foul at all or describe it, although they showed a replay of the hit to the ump at least 5 times
Ahh, okay, so the only ones who know are the refs. :lol: Thanks for the reply. Yeah, that was one of the worst ref hits I've ever seen. We were all watching that from the stands, too, so we didn't see what the refs called. I'm actually surprised that the refs weren't watching the ref on the ground, too. They all seemed to be looking at Baker because every one of them threw their flag. It was actually pretty funny;you don't see every single ref throw their flag too often.
dabomb2045
10-22-06, 06:40 PM
I watched, and it was the same story as last week against Miami: they blitzed the same amount as they had the entire game, and the outcome was the same, they weren't getting any pressure on the QB and he was able to pick them apart in the intermediate routes.
For most of the 4th quarter, they only rushed 3 guys. Same thing against Miami last week. Defense looked good for 3 quarters....looked bad in the 4th. Luckily for us we are playing bad teams right now. But you cant pull that stuff against good teams and expect to win.
dabomb2045
10-22-06, 06:41 PM
I know its only the Lions, but it was nice to see the Jets dominate the running game. Washington looked excellent. I'm starting to believe he may be our guy to replace Martin and be our RB for the future.
JeffWeaverFan
10-22-06, 07:33 PM
Leon Washington is honestly a really good RB IMO. I know we were facing a team that was missing it's big time DT, but I saw really good things from Washington. He goes north to south when he hits the hole and then is very shifty and makes guys miss.
Leon Washington looked great today -- has a good burst and has potential to be a good RB in the future. Not to mention that the OL blocked much better in the running game than they have. Yes, the Lions are missing a key player, but it was still good to see any improvement.
I've resigned myself to seeing the "prevent" at this point after seeing it in one too many games... and even though I despise it, the team has tied it's W total from last year -- and has become extremely exciting and fun to watching. The offense is far from vanilla and even if the D has regressed, I actually find this team enjoyable, and they have some good players to build on in Fergueson, Mangold, Smith and Washington (not to forget about Rhodes and Cotchery who are two young players that are really starting to show something).
RIyankee
10-23-06, 08:46 AM
Leon Washington is honestly a really good RB IMO. I know we were facing a team that was missing it's big time DT...
Leon will be tested at NE and against Da Bears. Meanwhile, enjoy watching him at Cleveland.
dabomb2045
10-23-06, 11:52 PM
I scored tickets to the Bears game on Nov 19th. I'm psyched. I hope the Bears are still undefeated entering that game.
Soriambi
10-29-06, 03:30 PM
Oh my. Nugent really, really needs to get his act together on kickoffs. This one not only barely gets past the 20, but goes way out of bounds. Into the wind, granted, but still.
dabomb2045
10-29-06, 04:39 PM
Am I the only one who's sick of seeing EVERY single offensive line in the league just blow our defensive line off the line of scrimmage on every freaking running play??
NO penetration at all. When is the last time we've seen a DL man in the backfield, or god forbid...a linebacker in the backfield making a play??
And a pass rush?? Hello?? Anyone?? Bueller....Bueller....Bueller??
chanman7483
10-29-06, 06:08 PM
WOW WHAT A BS CALL. he would've DEFINETLY been in bounds... I guess there's no real way of telling w/o replay though.. DAMMIT. You have to watch the replay for yoruself if you're the refs... such a huge play in the game, esp when you have someone knocked out of bounds... WOW...
tired of my teams getting d*cked by refs/umps this year... they all suck.
EDIT: after watching the replay time and time again, he DEFINETLY WITHOUT A DOUBT HAD THAT... refs have way too much pride. Pathetic wastes of life. DUMB F*CKS
dabomb2045
10-29-06, 06:08 PM
The refs just f*cked us....HORRIBLE CALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont understand...... that is the Definition of "pushed out." Every replay confirmed it. The Refs are responsible for reviewing that call. Basically, if it wasn't within 2 min of the end, Mangini can challenge and we get a touchdown. What ................ing bull................
Soriambi
10-29-06, 06:11 PM
WOW WHAT A BS CALL. he would've DEFINETLY been in bounds... I guess there's no real way of telling w/o replay though.. DAMMIT. You have to watch the replay for yoruself if you're the refs... such a huge play in the game, esp when you have someone knocked out of bounds... WOW...
tired of my teams getting d*cked by refs/umps this year... they all suck.
EDIT: after watching the replay time and time again, he DEFINETLY WITHOUT A DOUBT HAD THAT... refs have way too much pride. Pathetic wastes of life.
That wasn't a reviewable play, which is why they didn't review it. Force outs are judgement calls. The only thing that they could have reviewed, by rule, was whether he was in bounds, which he obviously wasn't. But I think they got it wrong, and I am annoyed. It goes the other way, too. If they had ruled it a force out they couldn't review it to see whether it really was a force out. They would have been able to review it to see whether he had possession, but not whether he would have actually been in.
I'm a little annoyed that Mangini used his first (well, second, but the first of his two remaining) timeout there, because his not knowing that made it so that we didn't even get a chance at a miracle punt return. But it almost certainly wouldn't have made a difference.
dabomb2045
10-29-06, 06:11 PM
I dont understand...... that is the Definition of "pushed out." Every replay confirmed it. The Refs are responsible for reviewing that call. Basically, if it wasn't within 2 min of the end, Mangini can challenge and we get a touchdown. What ................ing bull................
He would have EASILY and I mean EASILY gotten 2 feet down. How the f*ck can you blow that call and not call that a force out??
OMFG these refs suck ass :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
dabomb2045
10-29-06, 06:18 PM
Why cant we EVER catch one god damn break?? I swear to god this franchise is cursed.
dabomb2045
10-29-06, 06:20 PM
That wasn't a reviewable play, which is why they didn't review it. Force outs are judgement calls. The only thing that they could have reviewed, by rule, was whether he was in bounds, which he obviously wasn't. But I think they got it wrong, and I am annoyed. It goes the other way, too. If they had ruled it a force out they couldn't review it to see whether it really was a force out. They would have been able to review it to see whether he had possession, but not whether he would have actually been in.
I'm a little annoyed that Mangini used his first timeout there, because his not knowing that made it so that we didn't even get a chance at a miracle punt return. But it almost certainly wouldn't have made a difference.
Im not even arguing whether its reviewable or not. I know it isnt. What I'm arguing is how you cannot rule that play a force out.
That play is the definition of a force out. He basically already had the 1 foot down, and he would have easily gotten the 2nd one in. His body was in bounds, and he got forced out by the Cleveland player.
I can probably count 1000 times where I've seen a guy completely out of bounds, pushed out even farther....and he gets the force out call. The Jets?? Our guys is in bounds, gets pushed out....and we get f*cked by these blind ass refs.
Soriambi
10-29-06, 06:26 PM
Im not even arguing whether its reviewable or not. I know it isnt. What I'm arguing is how you cannot rule that play a force out.
That play is the definition of a force out. He basically already had the 1 foot down, and he would have easily gotten the 2nd one in. His body was in bounds, and he got forced out by the Cleveland player.
I can probably count 1000 times where I've seen a guy completely out of bounds, pushed out even farther....and he gets the force out call. The Jets?? Our guys is in bounds, gets pushed out....and we get f*cked by these blind ass refs.
I agree that it was a bad call, it just seems that a lot of people don't understand that it can't be reviewed (from Eric Mangini, evidently,(unless he just wanted to call a TO to get the refs to come over so he could yell at them) to the announcers and right on down to a lot of fans.) Bad call, though, and it could potentially cost the Jets a playoff spot, as now they will have to basically win every one of their remaining games other than Chicago and New England if they want to get in, which is unlikely.
dabomb2045
10-29-06, 06:30 PM
I agree that it was a bad call, it just seems that a lot of people don't understand that it can't be reviewed (from Eric Mangini, evidently,(unless he just wanted to call a TO to get the refs to come over so he could yell at them) to the announcers and right on down to a lot of fans.) Bad call, though, and it could potentially cost the Jets a playoff spot, as now they will have to basically win every one of their remaining games other than Chicago and New England if they want to get in, which is unlikely.
Yeah, I think Mangini just used the TO to get the refs to come over so he could bitch them out.
As bad as that call was....its embarassing that we were even in that position. We got dominated and pushed around by one of the worst teams in the league. They dominated the line of scrimmage all day. We couldnt stop the run. Pennington was horrible....I dont think he even threw for 100 yards.
We made Cleveland's defense look like the 85 Bears. And our defense is just awful. As I posted earlier....why is our D line incapable of getting a push off the line on a running play?? Why are they always getting pushed back 2 yards?? This causes the O line to reach the linebackers, thus creating big plays in the running game. Anytime your secondary gets most of the tackles (as well as your LBs making plays 10 yards down the field) its not good at all. When is the last time we've seen Vilma, Barton, Hobson make a play in the backfield?? Something has to change real soon.
JeffWeaverFan
10-29-06, 06:53 PM
IF THAT'S NOT A F*CKING PUSHOUT, THEN WHAT THE F*CK IS?????????????????????????????????:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
That's f*cking twice the refs have f*cked us this season.
JeffWeaverFan
10-29-06, 06:55 PM
I agree that it was a bad call, it just seems that a lot of people don't understand that it can't be reviewed (from Eric Mangini, evidently,(unless he just wanted to call a TO to get the refs to come over so he could yell at them)
I knew it was not revewable from the beginning. Mangini obviously knew that too. His TO meaned nothing at that point so he might as well call it to tell the refs how f*cking blind they are.
Soriambi
10-29-06, 06:57 PM
I knew it was not revewable from the beginning. Mangini obviously knew that too. His TO meaned nothing at that point so he might as well call it to tell the refs how f*cking blind they are.
Well, if he waited to use the timeout they probably at least get a shot to block the punt or return it. They had about 56 seconds with two timeouts. The Browns might have had a situation where they could have snapped it and run around in the backfield and ended it, but they probably would have had to snap it on 4th down. Like I said, though, there's virtually no chance the Jets would have won whether he used the TO or not, and the problem with this game certainly wasn't his using TO or even the call, since, as dabomb said, they should have never been in that position. Still horrible that the refs blew that, though.
JeffWeaverFan
10-29-06, 07:10 PM
Well, if he waited to use the timeout they probably at least get a shot to block the punt or return it. They had about 56 seconds with two timeouts. The Browns might have had a situation where they could have snapped it and run around in the backfield and ended it, but they probably would have had to snap it on 4th down. Like I said, though, there's virtually no chance the Jets would have won whether he used the TO or not, and the problem with this game certainly wasn't his using TO or even the call, since, as dabomb said, they should have never been in that position. Still horrible that the refs blew that, though.
This is the most upset I've been by a Jets loss since the Pittsburgh game (obviously not that much, but I'm really angry by this one).
I don't like to nitpick on certain plays called by the coaching staff when I really like this coaching staff, but I must talk about this one. 3rd and 2 and they go with Brad Smith at QB in the shotgun position and have him hand it off to Leon Washington... I don't get that. If you are going to hand the ball off while in the shotgun position in that spot, you should have Chad as the QB so the defense thinks you'll be throwing the ball. That made no sense at all and really hurt us as we had to go for a 52 yard field goal which of course our brilliant 2nd round pick Mike Nugent missed...
I'm just really upset by this game. I was worried about it all week and we lost it.
dabomb2045
10-29-06, 07:18 PM
This is the most upset I've been by a Jets loss since the Pittsburgh game (obviously not that much, but I'm really angry by this one).
I don't like to nitpick on certain plays called by the coaching staff when I really like this coaching staff, but I must talk about this one. 3rd and 2 and they go with Brad Smith at QB in the shotgun position and have him hand it off to Leon Washington... I don't get that. If you are going to hand the ball off while in the shotgun position in that spot, you should have Chad as the QB so the defense thinks you'll be throwing the ball. That made no sense at all and really hurt us as we had to go for a 52 yard field goal which of course our brilliant 2nd round pick Mike Nugent missed...
I'm just really upset by this game. I was worried about it all week and we lost it.
I was pissed about that play too. Look, I have no problem using Smith in certain situations. But in order for that trickery to keep working....the Jets need to let him throw it once or twice. Teams have figured out that when he is in at QB or RB, the Jets are running the ball. They need to let Smith throw it a few times...even if its a simple rollout and a 5-10 yard pass pattern. At least it keeps the defense honest.
Soriambi
10-29-06, 07:38 PM
I was pissed about that play too. Look, I have no problem using Smith in certain situations. But in order for that trickery to keep working....the Jets need to let him throw it once or twice. Teams have figured out that when he is in at QB or RB, the Jets are running the ball. They need to let Smith throw it a few times...even if its a simple rollout and a 5-10 yard pass pattern. At least it keeps the defense honest.
Yeah. Almost every time Smith is on the field he seems to get the ball, whether it is as a QB, RB, or on a reverse. It's really extremely predictable. They need to use him more on plays that they don't give him the ball.
BillBuckner
10-29-06, 10:21 PM
http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showthread.php?t=128793
WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Soriambi
10-29-06, 10:24 PM
http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showthread.php?t=128793
WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Oh man. That's even worse than I thought it was live and on the replays.
dabomb2045
10-29-06, 10:56 PM
I could tell on the first replay. He would have easily have come down in bounds with the ball. This cant be debated. How the refs missed that is beyond me.
stilllll angry because the NFL and their 'affiliates' (basically the entire media, especially FOX, CBS, ABC, and ESPN) get to hush hush this as usual. bahhhhhhhhh
JeffWeaverFan
10-29-06, 11:43 PM
http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showthread.php?t=128793
WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
I'm sick. I saw it at the time and I see it again. The ref was right there. This game f*cking mattered and the refs, once again, f*cked us.
hugelongtermdeal
10-30-06, 07:23 AM
As bad as that call was....its embarassing that we were even in that position. We got dominated and pushed around by one of the worst teams in the league. They dominated the line of scrimmage all day. We couldnt stop the run. Pennington was horrible....I dont think he even threw for 100 yards.
Bingo .. the jets put themselves in this position. A horrible call - absolutely - but, please, lets not make it sound like the Jets lost the game based on this call alone.
Also, it hasn't been mentioned .. why is Chad throwing into the endzone on a 4th and 4 with time left on the clock.
chanman7483
10-30-06, 10:00 AM
Bingo .. the jets put themselves in this position. A horrible call - absolutely - but, please, lets not make it sound like the Jets lost the game based on this call alone.
Also, it hasn't been mentioned .. why is Chad throwing into the endzone on a 4th and 4 with time left on the clock.
If you're in a position to tie the game, u do it. Chad had confidence in hitting his man, and made a perfect pass.
hugelongtermdeal
10-30-06, 10:39 AM
If you're in a position to tie the game, u do it. Chad had confidence in hitting his man, and made a perfect pass.
I'm not sure it was perfect .. a little more zip and maybe poole can't make it over to drill him.
I'm not sure it was perfect .. a little more zip and maybe poole can't make it over to drill him.
Its obvious that if they played better, they wouldn't have to depend on the refs actually doing their job correctly. But regardless, you have got to be kidding me. The play was a touchdown within NFL rules, there is no "more perfect" than that. Besides which, if he threw it with more "zip" (which he can't) there is no way Baker makes a leaping one-handed catch which he barely made anyway
JeffWeaverFan
10-30-06, 12:26 PM
I'm not sure it was perfect .. a little more zip and maybe poole can't make it over to drill him.
A little more zip and he might not make the catch. Fact is he did, he was in bounds by 2 feet, and he was pushed out. It's not like Chad should have to worry about the refs screwing the Jets.
edit: By the way, do you know anything about football? It was a perfect throw. If he put more zip on it, the timing would have been screwed up instead of perfectly timed as it was...
BillBuckner
10-30-06, 12:48 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/ips_rich_content/392-BACK_LARGE.jpg
I'M STILL PISSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
PinstripePride
10-30-06, 01:19 PM
It was a horrible call, but I really don't want to make a big deal out of it to be honest. If it comes down to one call making the difference in a game vs the 1-5 Browns, then we really don't deserve to win.
chanman7483
10-30-06, 01:58 PM
It was a horrible call, but I really don't want to make a big deal out of it to be honest. If it comes down to one call making the difference in a game vs the 1-5 Browns, then we really don't deserve to win.
Wins are wins. It's not like the Jets are really that much more talented than the Browns either. We need every call we can get.
Wins are wins. It's not like the Jets are really that much more talented than the Browns either. We need every call we can get.
Exactly! I mean, this is a team that won 4 games last year and that has been winning with very young talent and a very soft schedule. Having a chance to tie a game that they weren't even good in and lose because of a crappy call bothers me.
However, I'd still take 8-8 from this team. I'd like to see them win one of the Minnesota, New England or Chicago games (even by fluke), but I'm not holding my breath.
NYY EcKo151
11-02-06, 10:35 AM
Top ref implies error
BY RICH CIMINI
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Mike Pereira refused last night to directly second-guess referee Mike Carey and his crew on Chris Baker's controversial non-touchdown in the Jets' 20-13 loss to the Browns last Sunday. But Pereira, the NFL's vice president of officiating, did suggest it was a blown call, admitting it would've been "easy" to overturn if it had been reviewable.
Appearing in his weekly spot on the NFL Network, Pereira was asked if he agreed with the call, which, upon further review, appeared to be wrong.
"It's a judgment call that the official has to make," said Pereira, commenting for the first time on the play. "You have to make it in snap time. He doesn't have the advantage that we all have at looking at this. It's not my practice ... to make decisions and comments on judgment calls."
Pereira said judgment calls can't be reviewed. But, while explaining why, he indirectly admitted a goof.
"All of replay tries to be ... based upon fact. Here, it really is judgment," he said. "While on this case it might be easy, it's like some pass-interference calls. If we said that would be reviewable, we'd look at some and we'd say that would be relatively easy. But for everyone that's like this, there are 10 others that involve so much judgment that you would really be heading down a slippery slope here."
Coach Eric Mangini received feedback from the league office on the play, but he declined to reveal the league's response.
nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/467507p-393427c.html
What a joke...Still pretty pissed off about that.
BillBuckner
11-02-06, 03:27 PM
I'M STILL PISSED!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
JeffWeaverFan
11-02-06, 04:02 PM
I'M STILL PISSED!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
I am too. Especially because everyone I work with knows I'm a huge Jet fan so I still have people asking me what happened in the Jet game.
Right now, we, as Jet fans, have to root against the Bengals as they will be our competition for the last spot in the playoff race (if we even have a chance of getting there, which I know is slim, but I can't give up hope on making the playoffs this early in the season).
dabomb2045
11-02-06, 04:04 PM
I am too. Especially because everyone I work with knows I'm a huge Jet fan so I still have people asking me what happened in the Jet game.
Right now, we, as Jet fans, have to root against the Bengals as they will be our competition for the last spot in the playoff race (if we even have a chance of getting there, which I know is slim, but I can't give up hope on making the playoffs this early in the season).
Unfortunately we are gonna be 4-6 after our next 2 games. We arent beating the Pats in NE, or Chicago anywhere. Those teams are just too good and too physical for us at this point.
Which basically means we'd have to run the table to make the playoffs at 10-6. Its impossible. The Cleveland game really f*cked us.
JeffWeaverFan
11-02-06, 04:12 PM
Unfortunately we are gonna be 4-6 after our next 2 games. We arent beating the Pats in NE, or Chicago anywhere. Those teams are just too good and too physical for us at this point.
Which basically means we'd have to run the table to make the playoffs at 10-6. Its impossible. The Cleveland game really f*cked us.
I think there is a chance we could make it with a 9-7 record. The Bengals aren't that good this year and do have a tough schedule.
Brooklyn Yankee Fan
11-02-06, 04:21 PM
This is my 1st post in the Jets thread. Glad to be among some Jets fans here :)
.. Anywho, Chris Baker. Man oh man I was extremely pissed after the call. I was almost in tears. .... Just take a look at this, it gets me every time :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW7_OHJ-zTY
dabomb2045
11-02-06, 04:36 PM
I think there is a chance we could make it with a 9-7 record. The Bengals aren't that good this year and do have a tough schedule.
I think we'll be 8-8...maybe 7-9. The Cleveland game was kind of a reality check for this team. It really isnt much more talented then a 1-6 Browns team.
#1PaFan
11-02-06, 04:40 PM
I asked here before but I'll ask again, is anybody here going to the Green Bay game at Lambeau, the 1st weekend of December?
If so, I'd be happy to buy a fellow forumer a beer in Titletown! :gulp:
BillBuckner
11-03-06, 08:45 AM
This is my 1st post in the Jets thread. Glad to be among some Jets fans here :)
.. Anywho, Chris Baker. Man oh man I was extremely pissed after the call. I was almost in tears. .... Just take a look at this, it gets me every time :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW7_OHJ-zTY
What a crock of sh*t. If I f*cked up that bad at work, I'd be canned. What a bunch of incompetent, worthless douche bags those refs were. God D*mnit.
JeffWeaverFan
11-05-06, 08:39 PM
I hate to think about games 2 weeks from now, but I think as Jet fans, we have to root hard for the Bears to beat the Giants this week. I would hate our chances against the Bears if they lost 2 games in a row. They are beatable though.
BillBuckner
11-06-06, 05:40 PM
I hate to think about games 2 weeks from now, but I think as Jet fans, we have to root hard for the Bears to beat the Giants this week. I would hate our chances against the Bears if they lost 2 games in a row. They are beatable though.
If the stinkin Fish can beat them that bad, so can we.
Brooklyn Yankee Fan
11-06-06, 06:58 PM
At least yesterday NE lost. Sucks that Miami and Buffalo won.
We really need Miami and Buffalo to lose next week, and we need to beat NE. Hopefully this week the team practices their ass off.
dabomb2045
11-06-06, 07:28 PM
Gonna be real hard to beat NE. Coming off a big loss...that team will be pissed. And Belichick will have that team really prepared to play, since he hates the Jets and wants to beat us badly every time he plays us.
JeffWeaverFan
11-07-06, 09:59 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2651396
• We hear that the bye week came at a great time for the Jets, since a number of players were suffering from a little bit of burnout after getting worked so hard in training camp and in the preseason. They expect to have their batteries recharged for the second half.
Also, let me just say that Kimo Von Oelhoffen is absolute garbage. I can't think of one play that he has done anything in. Literally. He provides no pressure on the QB, doesn't get double teamed... He does nothing.
just-blaze
11-09-06, 07:53 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2651396
Also, let me just say that Kimo Von Oelhoffen is absolute garbage. I can't think of one play that he has done anything in. Literally. He provides no pressure on the QB, doesn't get double teamed... He does nothing.
Man I so agree. I remember thinking it was a good signing and that his veterans presence would do us some good, but we cant stop the run and except for a couple of rare occasions cant put pressure on the QB so Kimo what the hell are you doing?
just-blaze
11-09-06, 07:54 AM
Gonna be real hard to beat NE. Coming off a big loss...that team will be pissed. And Belichick will have that team really prepared to play, since he hates the Jets and wants to beat us badly every time he plays us.
Wow, I just realized that outside of ND we have the same exact teams.:)
BillBuckner
11-09-06, 01:00 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2651396
Also, let me just say that Kimo Von Oelhoffen is absolute garbage. I can't think of one play that he has done anything in. Literally. He provides no pressure on the QB, doesn't get double teamed... He does nothing.
He at least has a cool name.
JeffWeaverFan
11-10-06, 10:21 AM
Looks like Mangini agrees about Kimo.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/469881p-395472c.html
Backup NT Rashad Moore, a 325-pound run stuffer, is expected to have a bigger role than usual Sunday in Foxboro. The Jets will beef up the line - literally - with Moore on the nose and NT Dewayne Robertson (317 pounds) moving out to right end in their wide-body look. They used the Moore-Robertson combo for 10 plays in the last game. "He's a big body, and those big bodies are hard to move," Eric Mangini said of Moore. The Jets expect the Patriots, led by running backs Corey Dillon and rookie Laurence Maroney, to attack on the ground.... Backup RB Cedric Houston (knee), who has missed four games, appears ready to play, but he could be inactive again because of a logjam at running back.
AMYanks
11-10-06, 07:38 PM
Ellis-Moore-DRob
Talk about beefing up the line. Hopefully Robertson can really show some power on the end, that would be great. All we would need is another fat guy to rotate with Moore in the middle.
dabomb2045
11-10-06, 08:04 PM
Its about time the Jets gave Moore a chance. There is a big reason why the 3-4 hasnt worked well....we dont have big interior linemen.
Look at any successful 3-4 in this league, and they all the Sam Adams/Vince Wilfork-type run stuffers on the line. The Jets have smaller guys like Robertson, who 90% of the time get pushed 2-3 yards off the line of scrimmage by the opposition's OL. This means the linebackers either get picked up by bigger OL (and since our LBs are small, this is a problem) , or just end up making plays 6-7 yards downfield...instead of up by the line or in the backfield.
This should be our #1 situation to address in the offseason and in the draft....run-stuffing interior linemen.
JeffWeaverFan
11-10-06, 08:12 PM
This should be our #1 situation to address in the offseason and in the draft....run-stuffing interior linemen.
Definitely. And a pass rushing DE. Fact is, Shaun Ellis is getting paid a lot of money and he doesn't do nearly enough. I also would like a big time LB to possibly replace Hobson.
dabomb2045
11-10-06, 08:17 PM
Definitely. And a pass rushing DE. Fact is, Shaun Ellis is getting paid a lot of money and he doesn't do nearly enough. I also would like a big time LB to possibly replace Hobson.
Ellis has been dissapointing. I dont know if its that teams are focusing on him now since Abraham is gone....or he is just not performing. I'm gonna say its a combination of the two.
A 3-4 also requires some pass rushing from the LB spots. They need to find replacements for Chatham and Hobson.
NYY EcKo151
11-11-06, 08:14 AM
A 3-4 also requires some pass rushing from the LB spots. They need to find replacements for Chatham and Hobson.
You can also throw in Thomas...Though Thomas has had a decent season, he can easily be upgraded to me...And all these articles saying he's primed for a big contract this offseason baffles me. He hasn't been a gamebreaker or done anything to merit a big contract...A half-decent year doesn't wipe out the previous 4 bad ones, and for a player who is known as a good pass-rusher to get no pressure at all as an OLB and bad in coverage...
Pass on him and Hobson, both can be upgraded.
26 and counting
11-12-06, 01:24 PM
I see that the Jets are leading at the half, 7-6. Is my TV broken?
If they're leading after the 2nd half too, I'll be very happy.
RIyankee
11-12-06, 01:26 PM
As a Pats fan all I've got to say is...
The Pats got very lucky on that bogus RTP call. In truth, NE has played uninspired football for most of this 1st half. I'm embarrassed that we needed a BS call to keep us in the game. The Jets have been the better football team in this half.
As for that crappy call, thank Martz, Polian, and Dungy who, while on the NFL Rules Committee, whined their way into favorable officiating and set the pattern of officiating which we see today. After Palmer got injured in the playoffs last year, Marv Lewis replaced Dungy on the Committee, and lo and behold!!! We get BS RTP calls!!!:o:mad:
dabomb2045
11-12-06, 01:30 PM
As a Pats fan all I've got to say is...
The Pats got very lucky on that bogus RTP call. In truth, NE has played uninspired football for most of this 1st half. I'm embarrassed that we needed a BS call to keep us in the game. The Jets have been the better football team in this half.
As for that crappy call, thank Martz, Polian, and Dungy who, while on the NFL Rules Committee, whined their way into favorable officiating and set the pattern of officiating which we see today. After Palmer got injured in the playoffs last year, Marv Lewis replaced Dungy on the Committee, and lo and behold!!! We get BS RTP calls!!!:o:mad:
Good to see that a Pats fan can admit that was a bogus call. See my post in the QB thread....this isnt even about the Jets (even though this call has screwed us this time). Every week this late hit/roughing the passer crap seems to get worse.
26 and counting
11-12-06, 01:31 PM
That was an absolute BS call. There was no way that the defender could have altered his path to the quarterback. After all, he was only 2.3 millimeters away from Brady when he threw the ball.
I've got to admit, football has some of the dumbest rules of any sport on the planet. All to protect a couple of baby quarterbacks and kickers who are afraid to get hit. Think about it. Football is a violent sport, and the players are encouraged to hit people. It's the nature of the game. Then the NFL doesn't like when some players are hit too hard.
I hope that tomorrow on Mike & Mike, Greenberg and Golic go off on the NFL for this stupid rule. After all, Greenberg is a big Jets fan, so I'm sure he was watching.
dabomb2045
11-12-06, 02:39 PM
What a catch by Cotchery!!! The Jets are playing a great game today....just gotta hold on for another 5 minutes.
AMYanks
11-12-06, 02:40 PM
Sexy time explosion!!!!!!!!!!!!
BrooklynBotz
11-12-06, 02:43 PM
Damn, they let them score way too quick.
26 and counting
11-12-06, 02:44 PM
That was disgraceful. They forgot how to tackle.
2-point conversion is good. Ugh.
dabomb2045
11-12-06, 02:44 PM
.....and we let them score a TD in like 30 seconds. Unreal. But Im not surprised. Im half expecting them to find a way to lose this game.
AMYanks
11-12-06, 02:45 PM
There's that disgraceful Jets defense we all know and love.
26 and counting
11-12-06, 02:47 PM
Nice pass by Pennington, but why did the receiver go out of bounds? That's just stupid.
AMYanks
11-12-06, 02:50 PM
Kevan Barlow is my hero.
26 and counting
11-12-06, 02:51 PM
Nice drive by the Jets here. Hopefully they can take almost all the time off the clock and force the Pats to burn all of their timeouts.
How will the Jets blow this one?
Soriambi
11-12-06, 03:00 PM
Terrible bringing the three man rush. ugh.
Soriambi
11-12-06, 03:01 PM
WHOOOOOOOOO!!!! Hahahahahaha! I love it. :D :D :D
BrooklynBotz
11-12-06, 03:01 PM
Way to go Jets. Huge win, good start to the second half of the season, and a big screw you to those Patriots. It's nice to finally beat those guys.
dabomb2045
11-12-06, 03:02 PM
Victory is ours!!!!!
That was ownage. Someone should make that a gif.
BrooklynBotz
11-12-06, 03:02 PM
How will the Jets blow this one?
They won't and it feels nice!
J E T S JETS JETS JETS
I can't believe they actually hit Brady with a 3 man rush. That was sickening to watch
Ellis finally earns his paycheck! wooo
ryanm1058123
11-12-06, 03:05 PM
Belicheck is an ass. Didn't even look at Mangini
The prevent should be abolished...
Congrats Jets, great win
As a Pats fan all I've got to say is...
The Pats got very lucky on that bogus RTP call. In truth, NE has played uninspired football for most of this 1st half. I'm embarrassed that we needed a BS call to keep us in the game. The Jets have been the better football team in this half.
Yeah, that was unbelievable, I've never been more angry except 2 weeks ago with the pushout. Hometown calls aghhh
AMYanks
11-12-06, 03:06 PM
Jets win FTW!
The prevent should be abolished...
I pray to god that it is. I dont understand what is so hard to comprehend about it being awful (unless you are up by minimum 14).
An NFL quarterback, by definition, can throw the ball pinpoint to a receiver given lots of time and noone pressuring him. However, that skill degrades exponentially with pressure, forcing sacks, fumbles, interceptions, and incompletions. You will occasionally give up a big play, but thats way better than giving up 17 yard passes every single down
edit: and in any case, the Jets were blitzing the entire game before that or at least rushing 4 guys, and it basically worked (except for the Patriots second to last drive)
Soriambi
11-12-06, 03:08 PM
Yeah, that was unbelievable, I've never been more angry except 2 weeks ago with the pushout. Hometown calls aghhh
The announcers did say that it was technically called correctly by the refs, but that the rule should be changed. (Something about how he lifted him and how that is technically a penalty even if it comes just a split second after the throw) Oh well, it doesn't matter much now. :D
dabomb2045
11-12-06, 03:10 PM
Belicheck is an ass. Didn't even look at Mangini
Yeah it looked like it pained him to shake Mangini's head
Soriambi
11-12-06, 03:12 PM
Yeah it looked like it pained him to shake Mangini's head
It's the same thing he did when he beat Mangini, though. It's just because he can't stand Mangini now, I think. And just about every Jet fan can't stand Belichick, so it's even.
RIyankee
11-12-06, 03:12 PM
I hope the Jets win the division. I'd rather see the Pats get a higher draft pick than become playoff fodder.
dabomb2045
11-12-06, 03:13 PM
It's the same thing he did when he beat Mangini, though. It's just because he can't stand Mangini now, I think. And just about every Jet fan can't stand Belichick, so it's even.
It looked like Mangini tried to hold onto the shake for a few more seconds and I thought he said something to Belichick....and he was just pulling away the whole time.
Soriambi
11-12-06, 03:14 PM
It looked like Mangini tried to hold onto the shake for a few more seconds and I thought he said something to Belichick....and he was just pulling away the whole time.
Yeah, Mangini still has all of the respect in the world for Belichick and I'm sure he'd love for Bill to accept his decision to coach the Jets. Unfortunately it seems that Belichick just can't do that.
panicfan
11-12-06, 03:16 PM
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS.
Suck it Brady!
Yeah, Mangini still has all of the respect in the world for Belichick and I'm sure he'd love for Bill to accept his decision to coach the Jets. Unfortunately it seems that Belichick just can't do that.
I'm sure Belichick will hold this one against Mangini for a long time. One need only look at his wardrobe to see that he has a hard time letting go.
PinstripePride
11-12-06, 03:31 PM
Eat sh!t and die, Bill.
Eat sh!t and die, Bill.
Ouch!! :lol:
Soriambi
11-12-06, 04:02 PM
Ouch!! :lol:
I think he echos the sentiments of a lot of us. :lol:
That was so awesome :D. I still despise the "prevent", but they held on and won and we FINALLY got a pass rush.
The OLine is finally learning how to run-block too. I was scared when Mangold came out and relieved that he came back. He's been money for a rookie center (and I believe there was only one sack on Chad all day, which means improvement for D'Brick today too!)
dabomb2045
11-12-06, 04:25 PM
That was so awesome :D. I still despise the "prevent", but they held on and won and we FINALLY got a pass rush.
The OLine is finally learning how to run-block too. I was scared when Mangold came out and relieved that he came back. He's been money for a rookie center (and I believe there was only one sack on Chad all day, which means improvement for D'Brick today too!)
I havent been this excited about a Jets win since the playoff win against the Chargers 2 years ago. It feels so good to finally beat the Pats. Feels good to finally knock Brady around alot....we got alot of pressure on him today and really hit him good several times (the Hobson hit was a BS penalty call).
Also feels good to know that this is probably eating at Belichick right now :D
In Mo I Trust
11-12-06, 04:40 PM
Great win for the Jets.
NYY EcKo151
11-12-06, 05:34 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/Annapolis/mangini-1.jpg
Soriambi
11-12-06, 05:45 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/Annapolis/mangini-1.jpg
Hahahahahaha great picture. :D Mangini looks like a little kid. :lol:
Pepper03
11-12-06, 07:33 PM
Congratulations guys on a huge win for you.
The AFC East is WIDE open.
AMYanks
11-12-06, 10:04 PM
At the time, I and many others thought taking D'Brick and Mangold was a great move, but it's really showing now. This entire season, the pass blocking has been strong, and now the run blocking is very good, as well. D'Brick has been solid, he'll continue to develop and become a shutdown, franchise LT. Mangold has been our best lineman, and is doing a tremendous job of pushing the pile on the run. This has really been the key for us this season, great coaching and great play by our OL.
Pennington will be fine, the running game will continue to be solid, and the offense will continue to be fairly strong. The most encouraging thing about today was the defense. The run defense is still spotty, and the prevent at the end of the game was dangerous, but overall we were much more aggressive, and really kept Brady from getting into a rhythm. I loved how well we disguised our blitzed, one of the very few times I have ever seen Brady confused by that. 4 sacks and many more hurries.
Great team effort today. Next Sunday is going to be huge. I think I heard that the FOX pregame crew is going to be out there, so I hope that the crowd gets pumped up, and come kickoff time, the place is rocking.
We can win this game.
dabomb2045
11-12-06, 10:06 PM
At the time, I and many others thought taking D'Brick and Mangold was a great move, but it's really showing now. This entire season, the pass blocking has been strong, and now the run blocking is very good, as well. D'Brick has been solid, he'll continue to develop and become a shutdown, franchise LT. Mangold has been our best lineman, and is doing a tremendous job of pushing the pile on the run. This has really been the key for us this season, great coaching and great play by our OL.
Pennington will be fine, the running game will continue to be solid, and the offense will continue to be fairly strong. The most encouraging thing about today was the defense. The run defense is still spotty, and the prevent at the end of the game was dangerous, but overall we were much more aggressive, and really kept Brady from getting into a rhythm. I loved how well we disguised our blitzed, one of the very few times I have ever seen Brady confused by that. 4 sacks and many more hurries.
Great team effort today. Next Sunday is going to be huge. I think I heard that the FOX pregame crew is going to be out there, so I hope that the crowd gets pumped up, and come kickoff time, the place is rocking.
We can win this game.
I will be at the game....I cant wait. It shocked me to see the Jets dominate the line of scrimmage the way they did...on both sides of the ball. Take away that one 50-yard run by Dillon, and the Jets really shutdown the running game. And our O line really pushed the Pats D line down the field alot. Barlow had his best game as a Jet by far.
And I also like how aggressive we were on defense. We blitzed alot and we knocked Brady around alot.
AMYanks
11-12-06, 10:15 PM
I will be at the game....I cant wait. It shocked me to see the Jets dominate the line of scrimmage the way they did...on both sides of the ball. Take away that one 50-yard run by Dillon, and the Jets really shutdown the running game. And our O line really pushed the Pats D line down the field alot. Barlow had his best game as a Jet by far.
And I also like how aggressive we were on defense. We blitzed alot and we knocked Brady around alot.
One thing to remember about Barlow. Everyone else got their playbook and began studying it during the mini-camps in April. Barlow didn't get his until mid-August. Now that he is starting to "master" the playbook, you combine that with the improved run blocking, and that could lead to him being a big factor for us down the stretch. He looked a lot more patient today, waiting for holes to open and blockers to get out in front. He was very impressive.
JeffWeaverFan
11-13-06, 02:59 AM
One thing to remember about Barlow. Everyone else got their playbook and began studying it during the mini-camps in April. Barlow didn't get his until mid-August. Now that he is starting to "master" the playbook, you combine that with the improved run blocking, and that could lead to him being a big factor for us down the stretch. He looked a lot more patient today, waiting for holes to open and blockers to get out in front. He was very impressive.
Beat me to it. Barlow, for the first time, looked very good. I like the combination of Leon and Barlow, if Barlow continues to run like he did today.
PinstripePride
11-13-06, 11:23 AM
Cry more, bitch!
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/48/full.getty-71465393eg018_new_york_jets_4_47_10_pm.jpg
PinstripePride
11-13-06, 11:26 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061112/capt.c359dae3bd0d4e04ba3860ce08c20e7b.aptopix_jets_patriots_football_mass102.jpg
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061112/capt.40a19b53a9eb4937ad512dfc23a6a59e.jets_patriots_football_mawt108.jpg
CRUNCH!
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061112/capt.56e9db4c66a14f5bafba7e8b62ed7987.jets_patriots_football_maea103.jpg
RIyankee
11-13-06, 11:44 AM
Hey Jason, right back at ya... :D
http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/1696/untitled5mo.png
PinstripePride
11-13-06, 11:49 AM
Hey Jason, right back at ya... :D
http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/1696/untitled5mo.png
:lol:
I don't care, he's STILL an asshole. Let me bask in my moment of glory, damnit! :D
On a serious note, as a Pats fan, is there ANY insight you can offer as to why Belichick treats Mangini like a dog turd and yet still has good relationships with Crennel and Weiss?
On a serious note, as a Pats fan, is there ANY insight you can offer as to why Belichick treats Mangini like a dog turd and yet still has good relationships with Crennel and Weiss?
Other than a couple of postgame handshakes, do we really know anything about his relationship to any of these guys?
What has he really done to show that he has some kind of ill feeling towards Mangini? It's not like he's been calling him names in the press.
PinstripePride
11-13-06, 12:00 PM
Other than a couple of postgame handshakes, do we really know anything about his relationship to any of these guys?
What has he really done to show that he has some kind of ill feeling towards Mangini? It's not like he's been calling him names in the press.
Well, when the man treats the handshake like he's being forced to dip his hand in a warm pool of feces, that's pretty telling.
Then there's this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/09/sports/football/09patriots.html?ex=1320728400&en=190994f41580f730&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y., Nov. 8 — The question was begging to be asked: What’s going on with you and Eric Mangini?
But Bill Belichick (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/bill_belichick/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the New England Patriots (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/profootball/nationalfootballleague/newenglandpatriots/index.html?inline=nyt-org)’ coach, responded as if it were a brainteaser. Seven seconds of silence elapsed without an answer. After the question was rephrased, Belichick begrudgingly addressed his relationship — or lack thereof — with Mangini.
“We’re two head coaches in the same division playing a big division game this week,” Belichick said Wednesday during a conference call with reporters. “That’s how I would characterize it.”
Granted, we don't know everything aside from what we have seen and read, and he didn't necessarily trash Mangini in the press, but he wasn't very positive or even willing to talk about their relationship. I'm not pretending to be in Belichick's head or anything, but he seems extremely cold, and there doesn't seem to much in the way of reasons for his behavior. It's very curious.
Well, when the man treats the handshake like he's being forced to dip his hand in a warm pool of feces, that's pretty telling.
Then there's this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/09/sports/football/09patriots.html?ex=1320728400&en=190994f41580f730&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y., Nov. 8 — The question was begging to be asked: What’s going on with you and Eric Mangini?
But Bill Belichick (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/bill_belichick/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the New England Patriots (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/profootball/nationalfootballleague/newenglandpatriots/index.html?inline=nyt-org)’ coach, responded as if it were a brainteaser. Seven seconds of silence elapsed without an answer. After the question was rephrased, Belichick begrudgingly addressed his relationship — or lack thereof — with Mangini.
“We’re two head coaches in the same division playing a big division game this week,” Belichick said Wednesday during a conference call with reporters. “That’s how I would characterize it.”
Granted, we don't know everything aside from what we have seen and read, and I'm not pretending to be in Belichick's head or anything, but he seems extremely cold, and there doesn't seem to much in the way of reasons for his behavior. It's very curious.
There may in fact be something there, but I think Belichick's a pretty cold guy in general.
RIyankee
11-13-06, 12:13 PM
:lol:
I don't care, he's STILL an asshole. Let me bask in my moment of glory, damnit! :D
On a serious note, as a Pats fan, is there ANY insight you can offer as to why Belichick treats Mangini like a dog turd and yet still has good relationships with Crennel and Weiss?
IMO, there are three points of contention...
1.) Mangini took the Jets job against Bill's advice.
My Take: Mangini not only made the right move, it was a no-brainer. His friend was the GM, the owner wanted to model his team after the Pats. So, there was the promise of commitment. Plus, the Jets were offering $2.5mil per year. A no-brainer.
2.) The Mangini-led Jets dipped their fly in the Deion Branch ointment.
My Take: This threw gasoline on the fire.
3.) Last week, Mangini said he wanted to bury the hatchet with BB.
My Take: BB would never admit to the media that he had a problem with Mangini. Yet, Mangini admits BB is mad at him in the media. This must have tweaked the crap out of BB.
Overall, I understand why BB is angry. He got Mangini his foot in the door with Parcells Jets, gave him his big chance to shine in NE, and now he jumps to a hated rival, a team BB has a bad history with, and tweaks him in the process. Kind of like a long-time employee who started with a company, was entrusted with the company secrets and now works for a competitor, seeking to undermine his old company.
Bottom Line: Mangini made a hard decision, with consequences, but made the right choice. As for all the other stuff, hey, when you become a hated rival: In for a Penny, in for a Pound.
BB should let it go, suck it up and move on. He needs to straighten out the offense and put a leash on McDaniels, the OC.
JMHO :)
PinstripePride
11-13-06, 12:16 PM
Good analysis, makes sense. I missed the Jets getting involved in the Deion Branch mess.
Agreed that Bill should move on. He's just being childish.
NYY EcKo151
11-13-06, 02:11 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Dinobot2/DieBrady.jpg
Pepper03
11-13-06, 03:28 PM
Good analysis, makes sense. I missed the Jets getting involved in the Deion Branch mess.
Agreed that Bill should move on. He's just being childish.
How long did it take for Parcells and BB to bury the hatchet after BB didn't take the Jets job? I don't see any olive branches anytime soon. BB doesn't stike me as a warm fuzzy guy so this could go on a long time, which is probably too bad but life's too short for this stuff.
RIyankee
11-13-06, 03:36 PM
This game has brought back the spice in this rivalry. 2007 will be an interesting year in the AFC East. Look for the Pats to tag CB Asante Samuel in order to prevent him from going to the Jets.
JeffWeaverFan
11-13-06, 05:10 PM
Game highlights:
http://media.putfile.com/Game-Highlights-Jets-Vs-Pats-111206
JeffWeaverFan
11-13-06, 05:11 PM
This game has brought back the spice in this rivalry. 2007 will be an interesting year in the AFC East. Look for the Pats to tag CB Asante Samuel in order to prevent him from going to the Jets. I don't know much about Samuel. Is he that good?
dabomb2045
11-13-06, 05:14 PM
How long did it take for Parcells and BB to bury the hatchet after BB didn't take the Jets job? I don't see any olive branches anytime soon. BB doesn't stike me as a warm fuzzy guy so this could go on a long time, which is probably too bad but life's too short for this stuff.
Belichick doesnt seem like he has much class. Then again....neither does Parcells, and since Belichick is Parcells protege, I guess we shouldnt be surprised.
RIyankee
11-13-06, 05:24 PM
I don't know much about Samuel. Is he that good?
I like him. He had a great year in 2004. According to KC Joyner, in 2004, Samuel was playing so well that he allowed the Pats to shift coverage to help out Randall Gay on the other side, after Ty Law went down. Samuel had a rough 2005, but so did the entire secondary. The Pats had until 11/06 to extend him while having some of his bonus count towards the 2006 cap. Now that the deadline has come and gone, it means that Samuel and the Pats are far apart and Asante will test the FA market, unless the Pats tag him. I would. You know Mangini will pursue him. He was Samuel's position coach before Crennel left.
Samuel is great at run support and isn't afraid of contact. He knows BB/Mangini's system and is still young. As a Pats fan, it would be a sad day if he goes to the Jets. If I'm BB/Pioli, I'd make sure that never happens. Even if it means trading him or keeping him on a one year tender. You know, Samuel's agent, who happens to be a friend of a friend btw, will use this to drive the price up.
RIyankee
11-13-06, 05:25 PM
Belichick doesnt seem like he has much class. Then again....neither does Parcells, and since Belichick is Parcells protege, I guess we shouldnt be surprised.
Mangini is not loveable either.
dabomb2045
11-13-06, 05:29 PM
Mangini is not loveable either.
At least he seems to want to "bury the hatchet" with BB....while BB seems to have zero interest in doing that.
BillBuckner
11-13-06, 07:45 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/Annapolis/mangini-1.jpg
OWNED. :lol:
RIyankee
11-13-06, 10:01 PM
At least he seems to want to "bury the hatchet" with BB....while BB seems to have zero interest in doing that.
If he wanted to "bury the hatchet", he shouldn't have told the media about it. BB would never admit to the media that he had a problem with Eric. Mangini knows this and said this knowing it would tweak his old mentor.
Look, BB is no peach, but don't delude yourself about Mangini too. It makes one seem homerish.
dabomb2045
11-13-06, 10:47 PM
If he wanted to "bury the hatchet", he shouldn't have told the media about it. BB would never admit to the media that he had a problem with Eric. Mangini knows this and said this knowing it would tweak his old mentor.
Look, BB is no peach, but don't delude yourself about Mangini too. It makes one seem homerish.
I understand Mangini wanting to tweak him. I'm betting he is hurt that his mentor and "friend" cant accept the fact that he took a head coaching job with a team that Belichick dispises.
JeffWeaverFan
11-14-06, 12:14 AM
I like him. He had a great year in 2004. According to KC Joyner, in 2004, Samuel was playing so well that he allowed the Pats to shift coverage to help out Randall Gay on the other side, after Ty Law went down. Samuel had a rough 2005, but so did the entire secondary. The Pats had until 11/06 to extend him while having some of his bonus count towards the 2006 cap. Now that the deadline has come and gone, it means that Samuel and the Pats are far apart and Asante will test the FA market, unless the Pats tag him. I would. You know Mangini will pursue him. He was Samuel's position coach before Crennel left.
Samuel is great at run support and isn't afraid of contact. He knows BB/Mangini's system and is still young. As a Pats fan, it would be a sad day if he goes to the Jets. If I'm BB/Pioli, I'd make sure that never happens. Even if it means trading him or keeping him on a one year tender. You know, Samuel's agent, who happens to be a friend of a friend btw, will use this to drive the price up.
Sounds good. Well, the Jets secondary isn't really a problem with Dyson and Miller playing well. I guess he could replace Dyson if we cut him (I'm not sure what that would do to the cap).
On defesne, the Jets will need to focus on a big, run stuffing DT, a pass rushing DE, and another LB.
dabomb2045
11-14-06, 01:14 AM
Sounds good. Well, the Jets secondary isn't really a problem with Dyson and Miller playing well. I guess he could replace Dyson if we cut him (I'm not sure what that would do to the cap).
On defesne, the Jets will need to focus on a big, run stuffing DT, a pass rushing DE, and another LB.
Im not a big fan of Dyson....although I guess we could live with him for now. Agreed that DT, DE and LB are more pressing needs then the secondary.
JeffWeaverFan
11-14-06, 01:17 PM
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=13628
Nick Mangold (NYC): Within 2 years, I will be the best center in football. True or false?
<!-- displayed mode -->http://espn-ak.starwave.com/i/sn2.gif Matt Williamson: (2:08 PM ET ) Hmmm. I will say True.
(This was my question by the way)
AMYanks
11-14-06, 01:48 PM
Samuel would be a nice signing, but I don't know if Mangini will be like Belichick when it comes to paying big time money for DBs. I'd certainly welcome him, it would continue the trend of making our secondary younger. Right now it looks like we could use him. Dyson's good and Barrett is solid, but Miller still has a ton to learn about the position.
As far as Mangold goes, I do believe he could become the best center in the NFL within two years. When we drafted him, I was so excited because he was arguably my favorite player in the draft, and I felt he would be an All-Pro caliber center within two years. This year he's been playing better than I expected. He's been the best lineman on the team, and I hope he atleast starts the Pro Bowl.
The two biggest holes are definitely run-stuffing NT and pass-rushing LB. If we can find a pass-rushing DE, that'd be nice, but since we play the 3-4, I'm not too worried about that. The first two are of much more importance. Although I'd like to see what we have in Bryan Thomas now that the defense is blitzing more. Through the first half of the year, when the defense wasn't that aggressive, he played fairly well. Now that we're blitzing more, Thomas can display his true pass-rushing talents.
NYY EcKo151
11-14-06, 11:50 PM
A guy who finally got unleashed Sunday was Victor Hobson. He is a liability in coverage and usually cannot cover a TE one on one. But him finding the open holes to get to Brady was awesome...
Instead of his usual drop back and be a problem, he rushed Brady and caused alot of havoc to my surprise. I do feel he can be upgraded this offseason, but hee did have a good game and would like to have him as that breather/situational guy.
JeffWeaverFan
11-15-06, 08:07 PM
Fellow Jet fans, if you want to buy a jersey, Reebok is giving you 40% off (and I think it's for everything). Coupon code is RBKNOVFF.
Here's the link for Jet uniforms. If you want to get an authentic and haven't been able to afford one as I haven't, now is the time.
http://store.reebok.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1772660&cp=716563.716649.2237511&parentPage=family
They are offering this until November 18th.
dabomb2045
11-15-06, 08:08 PM
Im so excited for Sunday....I'm going real early and we're gonna tailgate. I heard FOX is having their pregame show in the parking lot. Awesome.
AMYanks
11-15-06, 08:39 PM
I'm going to be there, too, it's going to be beyond incredible. The FOX pregame crew being there will only hype the crowd up even more. This is definitely the most "important" home game since 2004, and there really wasn't a home game in 2004 that had this type of intensity behind it.
I'd expect Barlow to have a big role in the offense again, this week. Chicago's defense is fast, I don't know how effective Washington will be running to the outside. Barlow will have to pound it up the gut and overpower them.
AMYanks
11-15-06, 08:42 PM
Awesome article about Tannenbaum and him focusing on the bigger picture.
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061115/SPORTS/611150497/1002
It's great to have Mangini and Tannenbaum in charge for the long-term. So refreshing to have a plan for long-term success.
Dick Vermil would of given Eric a french kiss,,,
JeffWeaverFan
11-15-06, 09:34 PM
That crowd better be LOUD on Sunday.
JeffWeaverFan
11-15-06, 09:38 PM
Awesome article about Tannenbaum and him focusing on the bigger picture.
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061115/SPORTS/611150497/1002
It's great to have Mangini and Tannenbaum in charge for the long-term. So refreshing to have a plan for long-term success.
Good article. I hope that Tannenbaum and Mangini (especially the latter) are with this organization for a long, long time.
dabomb2045
11-15-06, 11:19 PM
Good article. I hope that Tannenbaum and Mangini (especially the latter) are with this organization for a long, long time.
This is the first time I've ever felt 100% confidence in the Jets coaching staff and GM's ability to build a winning team.
RIyankee
11-16-06, 12:08 AM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/LeonWashington.jpg
JeffWeaverFan
11-16-06, 12:30 AM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/LeonWashington.jpg
His thumbs are clearly up in the picture.
AMYanks
11-16-06, 09:44 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/471513p-396796c.html
Coles gets some of next year's Green
Taking advantage of salary-cap room before it dries up at the end of the season, the Jets restructured the contract of WR Laveranues Coles last week, the Daily News has learned.
They took $1 million from his 2007 base pay and moved it into this year, doubling Coles' salary over the second half of the season. It was a smart bookkeeping move by GM Mike Tannenbaum. The length of his contract hasn't changed; he's signed through 2009.
The Jets still have more than $4 million in 2006 cap room, according to an NFL source.
After the season, they will look to lock up WR Jerricho Cotchery to a long-term contract. He's signed through 2007, but is due to make only $460,000 in his final year. As one of the Jets' fast-rising players, he deserves a big payday.
CHAD CHANGE: Chad Pennington took a staggering $6 million pay cut in the offseason, but he's still going to end up as one of the NFL's highest-paid quarterbacks this year.
He has recouped most of the $6 million in playing-time incentives, and he would secure the last chunk by playing a complete game Sunday against the Bears. Total 2006 compensation: $9million. He's due to make "only" $3.9million in '07, including a $2 million roster bonus due in March....Owner Woody Johnson is so into his team that he stood in the driving rain last Wednesday to watch practice. ... Opposing scouts are raving about rookie C Nick Mangold.... The Jets have 19 offensive touchdowns, only two shy of last season's total.
The defensive players loved that Bob Sutton didn't turn gun shy after Pats RB Corey Dillon beat a blitz for a 50-yard run. ... FB B.J. Askew is steadily improving as a blocker.
Cotchery definitely needs to be signed long-term. Same with Rhodes.
AMYanks
11-16-06, 09:55 PM
Week 11 Injury Report:
QB Chad Pennington - probable (calf)
QB Patrick Ramsey - probable (thigh)
LB Matt Chatham - probable (foot)
WR Justin McCareins - probable (foot)
DT Rashad Moore - probable (hand)
C Nick Mangold - probable (eye)
G Pete Kendall - probable (knee)
CB Andre Dyson - probable (ankle)
WR Laveranues Coles - probable (calf)
CB Drew Coleman - probable (thigh)
RB Kevan Barlow - probable (calf)
RB B.J. Askew - questionable (foot)
CB David Barrett - questionable (hip)
WR Tim Dwight - questionable (thigh)
RB Cedric Houston - questionable (knee)
C Trey Teague - Placed on IR (broken left ankle)
DT Tui Alailefaleula - Placed on IR (knee)
DT Sione Pouha - Placed on IR (knee)
RB Curtis Martin - Placed on PUP (knee)
TE Jason Pociask - Placed on IR (shoulder)
JeffWeaverFan
11-16-06, 10:46 PM
I love that they put Nick Mangold on the injury list because he was poked in the eye in the last game and missed all of 2 plays before coming back in the game.
#1PaFan
11-17-06, 05:11 PM
Hey, any requests for Jets pics at the Packer Game? If I can get any decent shots, I'll post them here.
Well, I have no idea how you overturn that fumble. There was almost no evidence whatsoever in any of the replays, and what little there was seemed to say it was a fumble. They say it over and over, there is supposed to be freaking indisputable evidence to overturn a call. Ridiculous
just-blaze
11-19-06, 01:40 PM
Nice try Mangini. I guess you figure what the hell, were not supposed to beat the Bears.....lets try an onside kick.
RIyankee
11-19-06, 04:37 PM
Where are the Jets fans??? :D
Only 2 posts today!
:lol:
JeffWeaverFan
11-19-06, 04:50 PM
The fumble that was unbelievably overturned really hurt us. I'm still stunned that they saw conclusive evidence to overturn that one. I guess the NFL has decided to, "When in doubt, f*ck over the Jets." Find me one play that was non reviewable (or that was reviewed and turned over for our side) in that the Jets got a break. Just one. All season, find me one.
There have been about 5 that have completely f*cked us.
Saying that, although we outplayed that team and were obviously just as good, we made the mistakes. The onsides kicks was idiotic. Chad's first INT was horrible. His second was too. I thought they should have kicked the FG twice and they didn't.
Tough loss, but we can still make the playoffs.
Casey37
11-19-06, 05:24 PM
Considering the talent on that Bears team, losing 10-0 to them is not that bad. Coulda been a lot worse.
JeffWeaverFan
11-19-06, 05:28 PM
Considering the talent on that Bears team, losing 10-0 to them is not that bad. Coulda been a lot worse.
Screw that. We outplayed that team.
Tough, but understandable loss. After the high that was the New England game, there was bound to be a letdown. Better for it to be against a superior team than an inferior one.
The calls piss me off, though. Awful reversal. Not that Chad didn't screw up both times the Jets were driving, but that call felt like a big momentum swing. I didn't like the Onside kick at the beginning of the second half, but Mangini, Westhoff and co. like a certain amount of trickery... but they already did it once this season and that's usually it for weird plays like that.
Playoff still possible with the remaining schedule. It's not going to be easy, but Minnesota looks weaker than expected and Miami on the Monday night will not be pretty, so hopefully they can pull something off. Not bad for a "rebuilding" "project" overall.
AMYanks
11-19-06, 06:35 PM
1. Pennington was awful.
2. Onside kick to start the second half was a dumb decision.
3. Being screwed over by the refs when they overturned the fumble.
The team as a whole looked good considering their opponent, but those three things are the main reasons we lost.
dabomb2045
11-19-06, 07:28 PM
So yeah...the best part about being at the game today was tailgating. The game sucked. The crowd was into it early...but the game being boring as hell made the crowd dead for most of the game.
Obviously the biggest play of the game was the Pennington INT in the end zone. I have no clue where he was trying to throw that ball. He was double covered, and that doesnt even count Urlacher reading the play and jumping in front to pick it off. In a defensive game like that, 3 points is huge. Throw the ball away and take the FG. Pennington was brutal all game. He missed so many open receivers. We really had alot of chances to make plays....and we just blew it.
The overturned fumble was a joke too. Just another example of how the Jets continually get screwed by the refs.
26 and counting
11-26-06, 02:59 PM
The Jets really dominated Houston, judging by the score. I didn't get to watch the game, as I just got home. So that puts the Jets at 6-5, and in position to possibly make a run at the playoffs.
Final score: Jets 26, Texans 11.
Soriambi
11-26-06, 03:00 PM
Very nice win today. Only one penalty, no turnovers, and looked sharp on both offense and defense for the most part. The rush defense was outstanding, and the rushing offense was pretty terrible. Nugent looked like a 2nd rounder, too.
I was at the game today -- had a great time, too! Even the "prevent" didn't anger me too much, since it actually worked the way it was supposed to (still doesn't mean I have to like it).
It was really scary when Chad went down briefly -- thank goodness not only was he okay, but he had a great statistical game.
Though it was also scary (for another reason) when Mangini decided to go for it on 4th and 1 and then all the receivers spread out to one side. However, I have zero complaints about the coaching. Minimal penalties, no clock management issues -- most solid win all season.
dabomb2045
11-26-06, 07:21 PM
I was at the game today -- had a great time, too! Even the "prevent" didn't anger me too much, since it actually worked the way it was supposed to (still doesn't mean I have to like it).
It was really scary when Chad went down briefly -- thank goodness not only was he okay, but he had a great statistical game.
Though it was also scary (for another reason) when Mangini decided to go for it on 4th and 1 and then all the receivers spread out to one side. However, I have zero complaints about the coaching. Minimal penalties, no clock management issues -- most solid win all season.
Agreed. We played great today. Texans arent exactly a pushover either. Thats the best Pennington has looked in weeks.
The defense has really improved as of late. Last 3 games guys have really stepped up.
RIyankee
11-26-06, 07:32 PM
The rush defense was outstanding...
Lundy only rushed the ball 8 times. I saw the first half. I'm thinking, why doesn't Houston just put the ball in Lundy's hands? The Jets Run D is not good. Instead, once Lundy gets stuffed on 1st down, the run gets discarded. Houston had no chance of winning this game via the air against a good Jets pass D. The Texans played good D most of the game.
AMYanks
11-26-06, 07:50 PM
Great win all around today. Defense continues to play very well, and Pennington did what he usually does: dominate the bad defense. Up next, they go to Lambeau to play the Packers. Should be an exciting game, playing there is always fun just for the historical aspect.
JeffWeaverFan
11-26-06, 08:19 PM
Lundy only rushed the ball 8 times. I saw the first half. I'm thinking, why doesn't Houston just put the ball in Lundy's hands? The Jets Run D is not good. Instead, once Lundy gets stuffed on 1st down, the run gets discarded. Houston had no chance of winning this game via the air against a good Jets pass D. The Texans played good D most of the game.
I think our run D has greatly improved from earlier in the year.
Great win all around today. Defense played extremely well, Chad finally put together a very solid game again, the WR's were excellent, and Nugent was 4/4 on FG's including a 54 yarder - which could really boost his confidence.
RIyankee
11-26-06, 08:45 PM
I think our run D has greatly improved from earlier in the year.
How?
The Bears gashed them last week and the Pats running game has been overrated and poorly coached. When your best RB carries the ball only 8 times against the Jets, you will likely lose.
Soriambi
11-26-06, 08:50 PM
Agreed. We played great today. Texans arent exactly a pushover either. Thats the best Pennington has looked in weeks.
The defense has really improved as of late. Last 3 games guys have really stepped up.
No team in the NFL is a pushover any more. Any team has a pretty decent shot at beating any other team on a given day.
dabomb2045
11-26-06, 09:40 PM
No team in the NFL is a pushover any more. Any team has a pretty decent shot at beating any other team on a given day.
Yeah I know. I just get annoyed when I see/hear people say "well its only the Texans....". Nobody said it here, but you know you will hear it in the media.
Soriambi
11-26-06, 09:41 PM
Yeah I know. I just get annoyed when I see/hear people say "well its only the Texans....". Nobody said it here, but you know you will hear it in the media.
Eh, I couldn't care less what the media says about who beats who in the NFL. That matters in college, but there are no voters to impress in the NFL. A win's a win, and every win is tough.
JeffWeaverFan
11-26-06, 09:52 PM
How?
The Bears gashed them last week and the Pats running game has been overrated and poorly coached. When your best RB carries the ball only 8 times against the Jets, you will likely lose.
Well, at the beginning of the season, it was a success if the runner only got 4 yards on a carry. This game was the first that I've seen us stuff the runner on a number of occasions for no gain.
dabomb2045
11-26-06, 09:53 PM
Well, at the beginning of the season, it was a success if the runner only got 4 yards on a carry. This game was the first that I've seen us stuff the runner on a number of occasions for no gain.
I actually saw linebackers getting into the backfield and making some plays. I was shocked.
Soriambi
11-26-06, 09:54 PM
I actually saw linebackers getting into the backfield and making some plays. I was shocked.
Yeah; maybe it was just my impression but the tackling seemed very good today. They didn't have many guys slipping away and getting extra yards.
From watching in person, the run defense looked really really good. The Texans couldn't do ANYTHING on the running plays. Then, once they were down, Carr just kept passing and passing and passing. I saw no sign of the bad rush D of the past 10 weeks.
Oh another mention -- the tackling on defense was excellent in the passing game. They never seemed to let the Texans get extra yards and players were always there after the catch. I saw very very few missed tackles. It was a joy of a game to watch defensively (as I said before, it's a big success if you can make me not hate the 'prevent').
AMYanks
11-26-06, 11:32 PM
How?
The Bears gashed them last week and the Pats running game has been overrated and poorly coached. When your best RB carries the ball only 8 times against the Jets, you will likely lose.
There is a difference in the Jets run defense recently, and it's definitely an improvement. Earlier in the year, teams were consistently getting 5-6 yards a carry every time they ran it, with the occasional big gain. Now, the defense has been able to consistently hold the rusher to 3-4 yards a carry most of the time, but still a couple of times they allow the big gain. Like against New England, they did a nice job against them, but Dillon had one big 50 yard run. Other than that run, the Pats were averaging under 4 yards per carry.
It's still not great, but Robertson is continuing to improve at NT, and thus the rush defense has slowly improved.
And I can't blame the Texans for abandoning the run early. They were getting absolutely nothing done on the ground, but Carr was able to move the ball by dumping it off to the backs.
RIyankee
11-27-06, 09:37 AM
Well, I'll concede the run defense argument for now, only because the Jets won't be facing any more good rushing attacks for the remainder of the regular season.
@Green Bay
Buffalo
@Minnesota
@Miami
Oakland
With the Jags losing, the Jets are looking pretty good for the # 6 playoff seed.
Eric the Rat will be COY. :lol:
With the Jags losing, the Jets are looking pretty good for the # 6 playoff seed.
Eric the Rat will be COY. :lol:
Yeah, if the Jets make the playoffs, thats a guarantee
RIyankee
11-27-06, 11:08 AM
Yeah, if the Jets make the playoffs, thats a guarantee
Right now, here are the Jets biggest obstacles...
Remaining schedules:
Jets, 6-5
@Green Bay
Buffalo
@Minnesota
@Miami
Oakland
Cincy, 6-5
Baltimore
Oakland
@Indy
@Denver
Pittsburgh
KC, 7-4
@Cleveland
Baltimore
@San Diego
@Oakland
Jacksonville
Denver, 7-4
Seattle
@San Diego
@Arizona
Cincy
San Francsico
Jacksonville, 6-5
@Miami
Indy
@Tennessee
New England
@KC
If the Jets run the table, they'll finish 11-5 and 8-4 in the AFC. The only problem is that the Jets have 3 road games and the loss at Cleveland will haunt them. Moreover, Miami has become a better team since Harrington took over at QB. That makes this week's game a tough one for the Jets.
Since two of their losses were to NFC teams, Cincy will most likely clinch tiebreakers with the Jets based on AFC record.
If KC can split the Ravens/Chagers games, and win the rest, the Chiefs would beat the Jets on tiebrakers based on common opponents:
Miami - Jets: 2-0 ~ KC: 0-1
Jags - Jets: 0-1 ~ KC: 1-0
Cleveland - Jets: 0-1 ~ KC: 1-0
Oakland - Jets: 1-0 ~ KC: 2-0
TOTAL: Jets 3-2 ~ KC 4-1
Bottom Line: the Jets had better win in Miami this weekend.
Bottom Line: the Jets had better win in Miami this weekend.
Good breakdown, but the Jets are playing Green Bay this weekend, Jacksonville has Miami
MTYankee23
11-27-06, 12:00 PM
Funny though, I believe at the end of yesterday's Jets-Texans broadcast, one of the announcers said, "Amazing job that Eric Mangini has done, this was a Jets team that was picked by many to finish dead last in the AFC East"
Of course after 12 weeks, the Jets are exactly 1 game out of last place in the division.
Note: This is more of a knock on announcers than it is on the Jets, they've been a surprising team this year. I just don't think that the announcer bothered to look at the actual standings before commenting.
Soriambi
11-27-06, 02:36 PM
Funny though, I believe at the end of yesterday's Jets-Texans broadcast, one of the announcers said, "Amazing job that Eric Mangini has done, this was a Jets team that was picked by many to finish dead last in the AFC East"
Of course after 12 weeks, the Jets are exactly 1 game out of last place in the division.
Note: This is more of a knock on announcers than it is on the Jets, they've been a surprising team this year. I just don't think that the announcer bothered to look at the actual standings before commenting.
Yeah, but I think that while it was technically pretty dumb, the "spirit" of what they were saying was true. Most experts expected the Pats and Dolphins to fight it out for the division title, the Bills to do so-so, and the Jets to go about 3-13 or whatever. If the Jets go 8-8 or 9-7 and finish last in the AFC East, that's different than going 4-12 and finishing last in the AFC East, I think.
Soriambi
11-27-06, 02:37 PM
Good breakdown, but the Jets are playing Green Bay this weekend, Jacksonville has Miami
Dammit, then we're doomed. ;)
But the Jets had better beat Green Bay this weekend. :lol:
9-7 probably isn't going to be good enough for a playoff spot in the AFC this year, and there might even by a 10-6 team that doesn't get in. I can easily see Denver beating SF, Arizona, and one of their other opponents and KC beating Oakland, Cleveland, and one of their others. That means that if Jacksonville, the Jets, or Cinci get to 10 wins one of the 10 win teams will be left out. I'm not too confident about the Jets' chances to make the playoffs unless they run the table, which I tend to doubt, though it is possible. My gut feeling is that the Jets go 9-7 and miss the playoffs by a game.
MTYankee23
11-27-06, 02:51 PM
Yeah, but I think that while it was technically pretty dumb, the "spirit" of what they were saying was true. Most experts expected the Pats and Dolphins to fight it out for the division title, the Bills to do so-so, and the Jets to go about 3-13 or whatever. If the Jets go 8-8 or 9-7 and finish last in the AFC East, that's different than going 4-12 and finishing last in the AFC East, I think.
Oh I absolutely agree, Just pointing out that it would be nice if people who got paid (very well) to discuss football would be technically accruate every now and again.
AMYanks
11-28-06, 04:45 PM
Even though it's a flawed statistic (as you'll see by some of the names on the list) Chad Pennington is 9 attempts away from qualifying for All-Time QB Rating. As of right now, he would be 7th.
http://profootballhof.com/history/release.jsp?release_id=1264
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187395
JeffWeaverFan
12-01-06, 12:44 PM
Jets gave Bryan Thomas a contract extension. Don't know the details of it but just heard it on WFAN.
RIyankee
12-01-06, 12:46 PM
Jets gave Bryan Thomas a contract extension. Don't know the details of it but just heard it on WFAN.
Linky (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2682516)
dabomb2045
12-01-06, 01:55 PM
Jets gave Bryan Thomas a contract extension. Don't know the details of it but just heard it on WFAN.
Whats your opinion on this?? I like it. He really did nothing before this season, but IMO he has really flourished in the 3-4.
JeffWeaverFan
12-01-06, 03:13 PM
Whats your opinion on this?? I like it. He really did nothing before this season, but IMO he has really flourished in the 3-4.
Those are my feelings exactly. He definitely has the talent and has been a very solid 3-4 LBer. Good move IMO.
Panamaniac42
12-01-06, 03:46 PM
A young Mangini:
http://www.davesfootballblog.com/post/2006/12/01/yes-virginia-theres-an-american-football-world-cup/
AMYanks
12-01-06, 03:46 PM
Glad to see Thomas locked up long term. He has done a nice job, and with the Jets blitzing more, his sack numbers will continue to go up. He will continue to improve in the 3-4 scheme.
Green Bay forecast:
Dec 3
Scattered flurries and snow showers. High 26F. Winds NW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 30%.
Its the real Lambeau tomorrow, if someone put a gun to my head and said I had to pick a winner I take the Packers. But I really really hope the Jets pull this one out
AMYanks
12-02-06, 02:02 PM
It's the real Lambeau, but not the real Packers.
JeffWeaverFan
12-02-06, 03:35 PM
It's the real Lambeau, but not the real Packers.
Yep. Someone mentioned that most of the players on the Packers came from warm weather colleges and don't have experience with the real Lambeau. Thus, that homefield advantage is not one.
Plus, the Jets have already showed they can play well in adverse conditions...
Someone puts a gun to my head, I'm taking the Jets and frankly, I don't think it'll be a close game.
Also, I heard that Mangini is going to go to 2 RB's instead of 3. Any confirmation on that? I'd love to see a Houston/Washington duo.
JeffWeaverFan
12-02-06, 03:39 PM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show_permalink/jets-place-dwight-on-ir-move-wright-to-the-active-roster
The New York Jets placed Tim Dwight on injured reserve Saturday. Rookie wide receiver Wallace Wright was moved to the active roster and will be with the team when the Jets face the Green Bay Packers Sunday at Lambeau Field.
Dwight, a nine-year veteran from Iowa, started twice this season on offense and was fourth on the team with 16 receptions. He was the Green & White's primary punt returner and averaged 10.4 yards on his 14 returns. Dwight was battling a thigh injury but will now miss the Jets' final five regular season games.
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