View Full Version : Crazy idea from Heyman: Swap Manny for Sheff
NewEraYanks2527
02-27-06, 10:42 AM
In Newsday sports writer Jon Heyman's article today he suggests that the Yankees and Red Sox swap Manny for Sheff solving each others problems.
Sick of Sheffield? Mad at Manny? Switch 'em!
February 27, 2006
TAMPA, Fla.
There is big trouble brewing 120 miles down I-75 in Fort Myers, where they're still waiting on Manny Ramirez. And even when Ramirez arrives (Wednesday supposedly is the magic day), he'll surely have one eye on the exit.
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There's a little trouble surfacing here in Yankees camp, too, a little more trouble than the Yankees either know about or will admit to. Gary Sheffield has begun talking publicly about his contract, and although he's been quiet two straight days now, anyone who knows Sheffield knows full well we haven't heard the end of this.
Perhaps there's one crazy way that baseball's bitterest rivals can help themselves, and if they absolutely have to, help each other. Here's my fanciful idea: Trade one mixed-up malcontent straight-up for the other.
Here is the link for the rest of the article. He does go on to say how it probably is not even being thought of or discussed in either camp but how the idea might just help both teams. So here it is, discuss but please lets not just reply with "never gonna happen" because that is kind of obvious.
Mr. Mxylsplk
02-27-06, 10:48 AM
In Newsday sports writer Jon Heyman's article today he suggests that the Yankees and Red Sox swap Manny for Sheff solving each others problems.
How does this solve any problem for the yankees? It adds some offense, which isn't a particularly pressing need, and creates a huge defensive problem in RF, on a team that isn't great defensively to begin with.
NewEraYanks2527
02-27-06, 10:51 AM
How does this solve any problem for the yankees? It adds some offense, which isn't a particularly pressing need, and creates a huge defensive problem in RF, on a team that isn't great defensively to begin with. Easy Mr. M, I didn't write the article.
yankeebot
02-27-06, 10:54 AM
There are so many things wrong with this idea that I don't know where to start. I think I will begin with saying that Jon Heyman is way too smart to have presented this idea for any other reason than to get a response from Yankee fans and Red Sox fans alike. Anything to sell papers.
Kulish29
02-27-06, 10:56 AM
Sounds like Heyman trying to some what re-create the DiMaggio for Williams trade. Although, that deal made some sense. This deal does not.
DontHateOnNumber2
02-27-06, 10:57 AM
That solves nothing for the Yankees. The Yanks would receive a disgruntled player who can't play defense! Sheff can at least play even though he isn't like he once was. Manny's only strength it seems is his hitting, which Gary can do well too. I hope this rumor dies quickly because it is just inconceivable.
hardrain
02-27-06, 11:00 AM
When I read this article this morning I immediately put in the "I gotta think of something to write about so how about this" category.
what a friggin waste of ink
BroadwayBomber55
02-27-06, 11:23 AM
This will be like Joe DiMaggio for Ted Williams deal: non-existent.
What did Brian Cashman and Theo Epstein do? Drink all night like Larry MacPhil and Tom Yawkey did?
jimmyclark
02-27-06, 11:27 AM
Should we trade Jon Heyman for Dan "CHB" Shaughnessy? How many trees have to die to print Heyman's columns?
Mr. Mxylsplk
02-27-06, 11:54 AM
Easy Mr. M, I didn't write the article.
You ask people to discuss the article, and then get defensive when someone discusses it?
NewEraYanks2527
02-27-06, 12:30 PM
You ask people to discuss the article, and then get defensive when someone discusses it? I didnt get defensive, it was like you were saying that I said "it solves some of the Yankees problems" when I didn't I was just posting it. Personally I dont agree that Manny solves any problems for the Yankees and I think it is a stupid idea. It just appeared as though you thought I was endorsing the idea, perhaps I took your post the wrong way and for that I apologize.
Sure I'd do it if the sox ate a lot of the money. Sheff is a horrible RF and having Manny there won't be losing much. And we'd gain a lot on offense and get younger.
^^The above will never happen. ^^
I'd do it and while we're at it, let's trade Manny for Sheff.
So Heyman is now writing articles about rumors he made up?
They might as well let me write for Newsday.
NewEraYanks2527
02-27-06, 12:54 PM
So Heyman is now writing articles about rumors he made up?
They might as well let me write for Newsday.
I wonder how much it pays, and I'm sure you could work from home like Ray did on Ray Romano. That would be a sweet gig I bet.
DeputyFife
02-27-06, 12:54 PM
All the Yankees need to do to solve our problem is pick up Sheff's option, which I wish they would just go ahead and do. Let the Red Sox solve their own problems.
All the Yankees need to do to solve our problem is pick up Sheff's option, which I wish they would just go ahead and do. Let the Red Sox solve their own problems.
You don't think having Manny is better than having Sheff? (assuming the sox pick up a portion of Manny's contract)
NewEraYanks2527
02-27-06, 01:08 PM
You don't think having Manny is better than having Sheff? (assuming the sox pick up a portion of Manny's contract)
Put that way I think it is a good idea though he can always revert back to Manny being Manny but if the Sox pick up a portion of Manny's contract it might be easier to move him out west later on if he gets tiresome.
Mr. Mxylsplk
02-27-06, 01:15 PM
I didnt get defensive, it was like you were saying that I said
I was questioning the logic of the article, not your personal opinion.
yankees26mariners0
02-27-06, 01:32 PM
Hey Manny is a nightmare and all defensively, but Sheffield's defense is quickly declining and Manny is a lot younger.
I would kill to have Manny's bat in the middle of our lineup.
That said, there is no way at this point that the Yankees and Red Sox are going to be making any trades and there is really no way that the Red Sox would pick up any of Manny's contract to help us out.
Hey Manny is a nightmare and all defensively, but Sheffield's defense is quickly declining and Manny is a lot younger.
I would kill to have Manny's bat in the middle of our lineup.
That said, there is no way at this point that the Yankees and Red Sox are going to be making any trades and there is really no way that the Red Sox would pick up any of Manny's contract to help us out.
Well said. I agree.
Jeter Kid
02-27-06, 01:46 PM
That would solve nothing, Manny would then obviously pout, then go on to retire, resulting to Sheffield's 74 HR record in Boston. (I'm kidding about that last point)
That would solve nothing, Manny would then obviously pout, then go on to retire, resulting to Sheffield's 74 HR record in Boston. (I'm kidding about that last point)
Didn't Manny say he wanted to play for the Yankees once?
Arod for President
02-27-06, 01:57 PM
Thats great from a sports writers point of view but 1. i think I speak for most when I say Id rather have Sheff than Manny, and if you diagree then hows about 2. Its not that easy to swap a LF for a RF. Its completely different especially with the wall in Fenway and the short RF in the Bronx. This trade idea is exactly that... a trade idea. :o
Thats great from a sports writers point of view but 1. i think I speak for most when I say Id rather have Sheff than Manny, and if you diagree then hows about 2. Its not that easy to swap a LF for a RF. Its completely different especially with the wall in Fenway and the short RF in the Bronx. This trade idea is exactly that... a trade idea. :o
You don't think having Manny would make us a better team?
You don't think having Manny would make us a better team?
I don't. It would be only a very, very small marginal improvement on offense, and would give us nothing defensively. The only slot Manny could fill on the Yankees would be DH, and we would open up a hole in RF.
If we wanted a pure DH and a hole in RF, we could simply move Shef to DH right now and save $7mm in the process.
DeputyFife
02-27-06, 03:49 PM
Yea Sam I would love to have Manny. Now that I think about it maybe if we do this trade Manny comes over happy and Sheff leaves pissed. Then we have solved our problem and gotten better and the Sox still have a pissed off sluger.
NYYBombshell
02-27-06, 04:12 PM
No Manny, no way.
RhodyYanksFan
02-27-06, 04:18 PM
Yea Sam I would love to have Manny. Now that I think about it maybe if we do this trade Manny comes over happy and Sheff leaves pissed. Then we have solved our problem and gotten better and the Sox still have a pissed off sluger.
We've seen what Sheffield can do when he's pissed. He would focus his entire season on the 19 Yankee games. I don't want to face that. Manny would still be the same, doing well but not caring one way or the other. I think this is a very crazy idea. One that will never happen.
DeputyFife
02-27-06, 04:24 PM
I know it would never happen, which is why I said the Yanks should just pick up Sheffs option and be done with it. I don't really care to much what happens with Manny in Beantown. Then again maybe Cashman just wants Sheff mad for the same reasons you listed above.
NewEraYanks2527
02-27-06, 04:31 PM
I was questioning the logic of the article, not your personal opinion. Ok cool, I was just misunderstanding you, my bad.
I don't. It would be only a very, very small marginal improvement on offense, and would give us nothing defensively. The only slot Manny could fill on the Yankees would be DH, and we would open up a hole in RF.
If we wanted a pure DH and a hole in RF, we could simply move Shef to DH right now and save $7mm in the process.
156 ops+ Vs. 132. That's a pretty big difference on offense. Sheff's not getting younger and has had injury problems the last two years. He's also pretty bad defensively. Like I said, if the sox took a significant part of the contract(which obviously won't ever happen) then I don't see why the you wouldn't make this deal.
We've seen what Sheffield can do when he's pissed. He would focus his entire season on the 19 Yankee games. I don't want to face that. Manny would still be the same, doing well but not caring one way or the other. I think this is a very crazy idea. One that will never happen.
Someone shoulda told Sheff they killed his dog in the last two Octobers.
If I were Heyman's editor, I'd make him go back and actually write something rather than coasting on this silly crap. Just a sportswriter being lazy.
Tomorrow Heyman will suggest we trade Carl Pavano for David Wells.
156 ops+ Vs. 132. That's a pretty big difference on offense. Sheff's not getting younger and has had injury problems the last two years. He's also pretty bad defensively. Like I said, if the sox took a significant part of the contract(which obviously won't ever happen) then I don't see why the you wouldn't make this deal.
Here's why:
1. The increase in offense from Shef to Manny would have a relatively minor impact on a team like the Yankees;
2. Manny is even more of a media distraction than Sheffield is;
3. It does not address a need, while creating a hole in RF -- despite whatever deficiencies Shef may or may not have out there.
JfromJersey
02-27-06, 05:50 PM
How would that solve each team's problems? It would just be exchanging one headache for another.
drjeckyl
02-27-06, 07:57 PM
So Heyman is now writing articles about rumors he made up?
They might as well let me write for Newsday.
You can always create your own website.... hehe
AndThenThereWasTino
02-27-06, 08:08 PM
I would hate that trade. If you think of Sheff's personality in comparison with Manny's, Sheff is a lot more reliable. I would hate Manny's persona in the club house. It is obvious that this trade would never happen but even if it were being discussed I would be 100% against it.
Ansky10
02-27-06, 08:39 PM
Heyman wrote this crap back in october with his 10 ways to fix the yanks. He wanted them to trade Cano for Tori Hunter and Wang for Zito (plus some other players). This guy never writes anything nice about the Yanks. Every little bit of garbage he runs with. Leave him to cover the Mets.
trackie23
02-27-06, 09:23 PM
the reason manny wants out of boston is because of the intense media. he wont be any happier in the bronx, where the media will be worse and will just ask for another trade, or just block the trade altogether assume he has no trade protection.
Here's why:
1. The increase in offense from Shef to Manny would have a relatively minor impact on a team like the Yankees;
2. Manny is even more of a media distraction than Sheffield is;
3. It does not address a need, while creating a hole in RF -- despite whatever deficiencies Shef may or may not have out there.
I would hate that trade. If you think of Sheff's personality in comparison with Manny's, Sheff is a lot more reliable. I would hate Manny's persona in the club house. It is obvious that this trade would never happen but even if it were being discussed I would be 100% against it.
Manny is loved by his teammates. It makes our team younger and better and weakens the sox. Manny for Sheff is a no brainer IMO.
Dave Visbeck
02-27-06, 11:02 PM
In Newsday sports writer Jon Heyman's article today he suggests that the Yankees and Red Sox swap Manny for Sheff solving each others problems.
Here is the link for the rest of the article. He does go on to say how it probably is not even being thought of or discussed in either camp but how the idea might just help both teams. So here it is, discuss but please lets not just reply with "never gonna happen" because that is kind of obvious.
To hell with Heyman.
DeputyFife
02-27-06, 11:07 PM
Manny is loved by his teammates. It makes our team younger and better and weakens the sox. Manny for Sheff is a no brainer IMO.
Which is why it would never happen.
How about Manny or Ortiz on the Yankees.
Which is why it would never happen.
How about Manny or Ortiz on the Yankees.
Manny or Ortiz on the Yankees would be super.
JeterTheCaptain2
02-27-06, 11:35 PM
You can always create your own website.... hehe
That's what I did.
http://www.xanga.com/Jeter_The_Captain_2
My biggest problem with the deal is that Sheffield is only making $13 million this year compared to Manny's $19 million. Ramirez is due an average of $19,250,000 over four years. He is vastly overpaid.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004_12_29_mlbcontracts_archive.html
Manny might be a slightly better overall hitter and has better power, Sheff has a better eye, the both have strong arms, Sheff gives you more speed. They both dog it in the field and on the basepaths.
They are similiar players and I would consider doing the deal only if the salaries were equal say both were making the same amout of money and both have one year left on the contract. I would still pass on it because of Manny's defense is terrible enough that it hurts his team, athough Sheffield's isn't great either.
If I were in Cashman's shoes, I'd offer this deal to Houston right now. Sheffield for Pettitte. This site says that Pettitte is making $17.5 million this season... that can't be right.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005_01_09_mlbcontracts_archive.html
I think my deal would make sense for both teams. We need pitching help especially with Pavano and Wright's injury concerns. Randy Johnson is 42 and Mike Mussina is 37. Houston needs help offensively whether or not Bagwell plays this year. If Bagwell retires this spring, Berkman will play 1B. If not, Berkman will play RF.
I'm not sold on Jason Lane and if we made the deal, Berkman could play LF and Sheffield could play RF for the Astros.
DeputyFife
02-27-06, 11:47 PM
Manny or Ortiz on the Yankees would be super.
If you could have one or the other which would you rather have?
stupidpunchline
02-28-06, 12:40 AM
If you could have one or the other which would you rather have?
Are you kidding?
The younger lefty with the pension for clutch power-hitting.
DeputyFife
02-28-06, 12:55 AM
Are you kidding?
The younger lefty with the pension for clutch power-hitting.
Wow, I didn't know Ortiz was younger. I would have taken him either way. It's about as serious a question as the orginal article. Just havin fun.
If you could have one or the other which would you rather have?
Right now obviously Ortiz cuz he's younger. But career wise its not even close.
Panamaniac42
02-28-06, 01:27 AM
Heyman wrote this crap back in october with his 10 ways to fix the yanks. He wanted them to trade Cano for Tori Hunter and Wang for Zito (plus some other players). This guy never writes anything nice about the Yanks. Every little bit of garbage he runs with. Leave him to cover the Mets.
lol yeah i remember that...10 ways to screw the Yanks. Trade your 2 best young players for 2 guys who peaked in 2002.
No surprise, Hunter comes into camp still hurting. Glad he's not our problem.
CalYankeeFan
02-28-06, 07:42 AM
I hope Sheff gets in line, don't really want to hear him yelping about his contract all season...its been addressed, he's not being treated any different than anybody else. As for the trade...not even worth commenting on.
mycroft
02-28-06, 08:05 AM
What would happen if this trade went through, which of course it won't, is one of 2 things. Mannie would take right or Mannie would DH and we would find someone for right.
There is absolutely no way this trade would happen. Mannie would create such a fiasco, such chaos that this team would never recover. First of all he would refuse to cut his hair, and secondly Mannie being Mannie in NY would not be tolerated.
Pioneer62
02-28-06, 10:53 AM
If you don't like this "Fantasy" trade your basing it off emotions not facts. Cause this is a seriously one-sided trade in favor of the Yanks. Manny is younger, a signicantly better hitter (check out the tale of the tape at end of heyman's article) especially when he's happy and/or locked in. Further he's not that much of a defense drop off from an aging Gary Sheffield. And he's less injury prone. With all this being said. It will never happen. The Sox FO is dumb but not that dumb.
bostonyankeefan
02-28-06, 01:18 PM
Heyman being Heyman. We need the season to start to put a stop to these stories.
If we didn't go for Manny when he was on waivers, why would we trade a very productive hitter for him now?
JamieMadrox
02-28-06, 02:06 PM
Heyman being Heyman. We need the season to start to put a stop to these stories.
If we didn't go for Manny when he was on waivers, why would we trade a very productive hitter for him now?
because when he was on waivers it would've added $20 million to our salary and trading him for sheffield would only add $7 million
still not going to happen, ever. the yankees would never do this trade, GAPING hole in RF, and we already have a left fielder, not to mention who the hell wants manny on their team.
Maldonado
02-28-06, 02:50 PM
"How would that solve each team's problems? It would just be exchanging one headache for another."
Sheff's problem is anger, Manny's is extreme flakiness. It's like trading herpes for genital warts. Besides, Sheff has chilled out while Manny is and probably always will be a flake. The only thing that would make sense is just to buy Manny from the Sox to further demoralize the fan base in Beantown.
Stupid Flanders
02-28-06, 02:52 PM
This silly deal is incredibly Yankee-sided.
The Sox lose.
This silly deal is incredibly Yankee-sided.
The Sox lose.
Yeah I can't believe people think Manny on the Yankees is a bad idea.
Snap731
02-28-06, 03:47 PM
Could you IMAGINE 181st St if the Yanks had both Manny and A-Rod?
I'd def. do it, altho Manny in RF (or Matsui in RF) kinda scares me.
I also think its pretty unlikely.
Could you IMAGINE 181st St if the Yanks had both Manny and A-Rod?
I'd def. do it, altho Manny in RF (or Matsui in RF) kinda scares me.
I also think its pretty unlikely.
Washington Heights doesn't care much for A-rod. Its Pedro and Tejada 24/7.
NYYWilliams51
02-28-06, 11:48 PM
Sheffield might be a pain in the neck, but he is one who will always give 100% between the lines. Manny cannot say the same.
Sheffield might be a pain in the neck, but he is one who will always give 100% between the lines. Manny cannot say the same.
WHAT? Have you seen Sheff play the OF?
DontHateOnNumber2
03-02-06, 09:28 AM
Someone shoulda told Sheff they killed his dog in the last two Octobers.
We would've won the World Series in 2004 if they would've reminded him of the R. Kelly situation :eek: which makes me wonder how many comments like these it'll take before this thread is closed.
DontHateOnNumber2
03-02-06, 09:30 AM
Yeah I can't believe people think Manny on the Yankees is a bad idea.
I don't think it'd be bad if he was a full-time DH and didn't complain, but everyone know "Manny is Manny" which means he gets plenty of slack whenever he does something seemingly moronic.
I don't think it'd be bad if he was a full-time DH and didn't complain, but everyone know "Manny is Manny" which means he gets plenty of slack whenever he does something seemingly moronic.
It hasn't hurt the sox in any way, why would it hurt us?
dmsimon15
03-02-06, 12:18 PM
Manny is definitely a better hitter, but defensively he's pretty pathetic. Sheffield has had numerous injuries since joining the Yankees, and it can only get worse for him with age. Cashman is doing the right thing in not picking up his option for 2007. Manny would be great for this team as a player but not as a teammate. His attitude is on par with Terrell Owens. We don't need this kind of presence in the clubhouse.
The Sox FO hasn't made all the right moves, but I don't they'd do that deal at gun point. Manny is a much better offensive player and slightly better than Sheff in the field. Manny for A-rod is a better propostion (for both teams)--positional needs aside.
Comparing Manny to TO is idiotic. Manny is a PIA not a divisive force. This is common knowledge.
Philip Hughes Fan
03-02-06, 12:32 PM
The Sox FO hasn't made all the right moves, but I don't they'd do that deal at gun point. Manny is a much better offensive player and slightly better than Sheff in the field. Manny for A-rod is a better propostion (for both teams) positional needs aside.
Ha ha ha ha
Manny is the worst defensive player in the majors. Sheff is pretty awful himself, but he's still much better than Manny out there.
And A-Rod is a vastly superior player than Manny. It's not even close.
Ha ha ha ha
Manny is the worst defensive player in the majors. Sheff is pretty awful himself, but he's still much better than Manny out there.
And A-Rod is a vastly superior player than Manny. It's not even close.
A-rod is better offensively. You were being sarcastic??
Philip Hughes Fan
03-02-06, 12:37 PM
A-rod is better offensively. You were being sarcastic??
He was much better offensively last year, and while Manny has been a better hitter over his career, considering their ages I wouldn't be surprised to see A-Rod continue being superior. And when you consider position value and defense, it's not even close; A-Rod is lightyears ahead of Manny as a baseball player at this point.
He was much better offensively last year, and while Manny has been a better hitter over his career, considering their ages I wouldn't be surprised to see A-Rod continue being superior. And when you consider position value and defense, it's not even close; A-Rod is lightyears ahead of Manny as a baseball player at this point.
Defensively, its not even close, I agree. Offensively, A-rod may have had a better regular season last year, but the bottom line is, Manny is better with the bat. Not only that, A-rod can't hit his way out of a paper bag come play-off time. In in a key spot, I would put Manny up to bat 10 times out of 10 over A-rod. A-rod is the Payton Manning of baseball.
Philip Hughes Fan
03-02-06, 12:44 PM
Not only that, A-rod can't hit his way out of a paper bag come play-off time.
You can claim that. It's not true, but sure you can claim it is. And A-Rod has been the much better hitter in postseason play. But don't let facts get in the way.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodrial01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ramirma02.shtml
You can claim that. It's not true, but sure you can claim it is. And A-Rod has been the much better hitter in postseason play. But don't let facts get in the way.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodrial01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ramirma02.shtml
So in a key spot, you would pull A-rod up to bat over Manny? I think you'd have a hard time finding any baseball fan (other than YF's) to agree with you.
Philip Hughes Fan
03-02-06, 12:50 PM
So in a key spot, you would pull A-rod up to bat over Manny? I think you'd have a hard time finding any baseball fan (other than YF's) to agree with you.
I would pick whoever's the better hitter overall. If I was choosing over their entire careers I'd choose Manny, simply because he has been the superior hitter. If I was choosing now I may pick A-Rod because I believe he's the superior hitter now. The whole notion that A-Rod isn't clutch is idiotic bull................. And despite your claims to the opposite, A-Rod has been great in the postseason, while oddly enough, the guy you must think is "clutch" has hit significantly worse than he does in the regular season as well as much worse than A-Rod has in the PS.
I would pick whoever's the better hitter overall. If I was choosing over their entire careers I'd choose Manny, simply because he has been the superior hitter. If I was choosing now I may pick A-Rod because I believe he's the superior hitter now. The whole notion that A-Rod isn't clutch is idiotic bull................. And despite your claims to the opposite, A-Rod has been great in the postseason, while oddly enough, the guy you must think is "clutch" has hit significantly worse than he does in the regular season as well as much worse than A-Rod has in the PS.
You're right, A-rod was "clutch" during last years ALDS.
Philip Hughes Fan
03-02-06, 12:58 PM
You're right, A-rod was "clutch" during last years ALDS.
Wow, a grand total of 15 AB to judge a player's "clutchness." Obviously Hideki Matsui and Gary Sheffield suck in pressure situations to, considering they performed even worse that series. Thank you for enlightening me. Anyone who ever has a horrible 15 AB stretch obviously is unclutch.
Wow, a grand total of 15 AB to judge a player's "clutchness." Obviously Hideki Matsui and Gary Sheffield suck in pressure situations to, considering they performed even worse that series. Thank you for enlightening me. Anyone who ever has a horrible 15 AB stretch obviously is unclutch.
I'm not debating how great A-rod is. I think he's the best all around player in the game, and would take him in a second. I'm not convinced, as well as most NY & national media, that he's a "great" post season player--NY media killed him last year calling him a "play-off pooch", etc. I also agree that going forward, A-rod will probably be better. Kind of silly we're debating 2 first ballot HOF players. Agreed?
You're right, A-rod was "clutch" during last years ALDS.
Dude stop embarrassing yourself. The facts prove you dead wrong in this situation. A-rod is 82 OPS points better than Manny when it comes to the playoffs. That's the difference between Albert Pujols and Jason Giambi.
Paul Hunter23
03-04-06, 09:39 PM
i'd do sheff for ramirez but i'm not the gm. i think manny would love to play in ny.
keithf1
03-05-06, 11:06 PM
I don't want Manny Ramirez on this team. I hate him almost as much as Barry Bonds.
justinvarnes
03-05-06, 11:54 PM
This idea that Manny will be under more pressure, or have less privacy in NY is sadly misinterpreted.
In Boston, the Red Sox are GODS.
In New York, the Yankees have to saddle up next to Actors, World Leaders, P-Diddy, you name it. In New York, the Yankees are just one of many distractions. In terms of being pestered by a city, Jeter has it made in the shade compared to a Red Sox star like Manny in Boston.
Also, Manny is a worse outfielder than Sheff, and that is really saying something since Sheff just doesn't have it anymore out there. He does have a stronger arm and is a "smarter" outfielder though (less prone to the mental lapses Manny is famous for). However, the DH spot would be a LOVELY spot for him in pinstripes.
Sign me, up..I'd do this trade. of course it'll never happen. :P
oh, and one last thing: could you imagine how many of Sheff's doubles and HR's would just be singles in Fenway? Man, would he hate playing there...
Yankeeah
03-06-06, 12:09 AM
This idea that Manny will be under more pressure, or have less privacy in NY is sadly misinterpreted.
In Boston, the Red Sox are GODS.
In New York, the Yankees have to saddle up next to Actors, World Leaders, P-Diddy, you name it. In New York, the Yankees are just one of many distractions. In terms of being pestered by a city, Jeter has it made in the shade compared to a Red Sox star like Manny in Boston.
Also, Manny is a worse outfielder than Sheff, and that is really saying something since Sheff just doesn't have it anymore out there. He does have a stronger arm and is a "smarter" outfielder though (less prone to the mental lapses Manny is famous for). However, the DH spot would be a LOVELY spot for him in pinstripes.
Sign me, up..I'd do this trade. of course it'll never happen. :P
oh, and one last thing: could you imagine how many of Sheff's doubles and HR's would just be singles in Fenway? Man, would he hate playing there...
I think a majority of New Yorkers perfer the Yankees to P. Diddy. Most people are annoyed by him.
I think in your analysis, you forgot one simple thing: drama. Manny has baggage, and he doesn't check it at the door. Hitting wise, Manny has a slight edge, defense, I would go with Sheff, all things considered. To me though, I would always be worried that Manny wouldn't feel like playign that day. With Sheff, I know hes showing up to play, even if he can't lift up his shoulder.
I think a majority of New Yorkers perfer the Yankees to P. Diddy. Most people are annoyed by him.
I think in your analysis, you forgot one simple thing: drama. Manny has baggage, and he doesn't check it at the door. Hitting wise, Manny has a slight edge, defense, I would go with Sheff, all things considered. To me though, I would always be worried that Manny wouldn't feel like playign that day. With Sheff, I know hes showing up to play, even if he can't lift up his shoulder.
Stop making stuff up. Manny's a better hitter than Sheff by a lot. They are about the same on defense. Sheff is older and injury prone. And Sheff comes with every bit of baggage that Manny comes with. The only problem with Manny other than his contract is that he chooses when to take his days off instead of the manager choosing. Its not like he misses 15 games a year cuz of that.
Mr. Mxylsplk
03-06-06, 12:44 PM
Hitting wise, Manny has a slight edge, defense, I would go with Sheff, all things considered. To me though, I would always be worried that Manny wouldn't feel like playign that day. With Sheff, I know hes showing up to play, even if he can't lift up his shoulder.
How is Manny's hitting edge only slight? If he doesn't show up every day, how is he such an overpowering offensive force year in and year out? I guess he's really as good as hitter as Bonds and Ruth rolled up into one, if only he'd feel like playing more often?
Sheffield is one guy that I, as a sox fan, would want no part of. Manny is flakey, but he is going to play 150+ games each year. He is the worst LF in the AL, but he has a very accurate arm; how many outfield assists did he have last year? He may not be as good as Sheffield defensively, but Shef is thte worst RF in the AL. He has a stronger arm than manny, but as he gets older, his range is getting worse. And lets not pretend that if the yankees acquired manny that he would start dhing all the time...he played around 700 games in RF with the Indians, it's not like he would be learning a new position.
As for offense, it isn't even close between the two. Much was made over Manny's decline last year: .308/.397/.613 in 2004, .292/.388/.594 in 2005. That isn't much of a difference, and his ops+ was actually higher in 2005 than in 2004 (156 to 152). Sheffield, on the other hand, is clearly declining rather sharply. From 2003-2005, his obp went from .419 to .393 to .379, while his slg went from .604 to .534 to .512. His doubles (37, 30, 27) and home runs (39, 36, 34) both decreased each year. Manny is declining too, but he has been substantially better than Sheffield at the plate since 2003. The only thing that makes this trade even close to fair is the difference in contracts.
DiMaggio5CF
03-06-06, 12:52 PM
I would trade Sheffield for Ramirez in a second.
I would rather have Ortiz than Ramirez because the left-handed hitter would be great in Yankee Stadium, but if we're talking about another ballpark, that answer is different.
Maldonado
03-07-06, 12:18 PM
Dude stop embarrassing yourself. The facts prove you dead wrong in this situation. A-rod is 82 OPS points better than Manny when it comes to the playoffs. That's the difference between Albert Pujols and Jason Giambi.
It's really unthinkable to even compare the two. Manny is the top 1% and A Rod is the top 1% of the top 1%.
Jersey Yankee
03-07-06, 07:13 PM
Manny makes $60m over the next three seasons. Plus he always pulls the diva act and says he wants to be traded.
Sheffield is in his final year of his 3-year contract.
Ability don't mean squat if the guy doesn't feel like showing up to play for you. Either that or can't decide whether or not to.
ericns1
03-07-06, 09:05 PM
Heyman's latest variation was Sheffield for Bobby Abreu from Philadelphia
jimmyclark
03-07-06, 09:18 PM
Heyman's latest variation was Sheffield for Bobby Abreu from Philadelphia
At least that one makes a little more sense. But you do wonder about the hate Heyman has always had for Sheffield. Four years ago he was praising Mo Vaughn for forcing a trade to the Mets saying Vaughn was wasted in laid back Southern California. The reason why Vaughn was in Anaheim was he signed a 7 year contract to be there. How did Vaughn's career turn out? How many Mets fans fell in love with Vaughn as Heyman predicted tey would?
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