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Is there any defense for what Rodriguez did to that little girl?
Is there really any defense for the mother?
Yes, I am being facetious. I realize that in the name of justice, a trial must happen, and I see that the mother has already retained a lawyer who is already saying that she had no idea of the abuse going on, yada yada yada.
However, the left side of my brain is just telling me that I'd like to subject the father and the mother to just ONE DAY of the pain they gave this little girl her whole lifetime.
This gives me a pain in my heart.
All the signals missed. Tragic.
And the knowledge that there are dozens more of these kids in the system that are in the same horror house right now, and chances are a few more of them will actually be killed rather than saved.
It's depressing.
NYYBombshell
01-17-06, 04:29 PM
I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about?
RhodeyYankee2638
01-17-06, 04:30 PM
I don't have the AA number, but can look it up for you if you'd like
JfromJersey
01-17-06, 04:39 PM
I don't think signals were missed in this case. There was a caseworker from ACS who recognized the abuse, but who either couldn't or wouldn't treat the situation as a possibly life threatening emergency, and she wasn't the only culprit. The people essentially in charge of protecting this child's life, dragged their heels until it was too late. The system in every aspect needs to be overhauled.
Evil Empire
01-17-06, 04:47 PM
Is there any defense for what Rodriguez did to that little girl?
Is there really any defense for the mother?
Yes, I am being facetious. I realize that in the name of justice, a trial must happen, and I see that the mother has already retained a lawyer who is already saying that she had no idea of the abuse going on, yada yada yada.
However, the left side of my brain is just telling me that I'd like to subject the father and the mother to just ONE DAY of the pain they gave this little girl her whole lifetime.
This gives me a pain in my heart.
All the signals missed. Tragic.
And the knowledge that there are dozens more of these kids in the system that are in the same horror house right now, and chances are a few more of them will actually be killed rather than saved.
It's depressing.
I don't think signals were missed in this case. There was a caseworker from ACS who recognized the abuse, but who either couldn't or wouldn't treat the situation as a possibly life threatening emergency, and she wasn't the only culprit. The people essentially in charge of protecting this child's life, dragged their heels until it was too late. The system in every aspect needs to be overhauled.
Which case are you talking about?
YankeeClemens22
01-17-06, 04:53 PM
Which case are you talking about?
Nixmary Brown. The girl who died because she was beaten and not fed by her mother/stepfather. All over the news.
Evil Empire
01-17-06, 04:54 PM
Nixmary Brown. The girl who died because she was beaten and not fed by her mother/stepfather. All over the news.
Oh okay. I heard about it, just briefly though. Thanks.
NYYBombshell
01-17-06, 04:54 PM
Nixmary Brown. The girl who died because she was beaten and not fed by her mother/stepfather. All over the news.
Well, not all of us are from NY so we wouldn't have known that. Based on the thread title and the opening post, I didn't know what was being discussed.
RhodeyYankee2638
01-17-06, 04:56 PM
I thought it was about A-Rod
Evil Empire
01-17-06, 04:56 PM
Well, not all of us are from NY so we wouldn't have known that. Based on the thread title and the opening post, I didn't know what was being discussed.
What does being in New York have to do with this?
NYYBombshell
01-17-06, 04:57 PM
What does being in New York have to do with this?
Isn't this something that's going on in the NY area? I haven't heard anything about this in the news at all.
Evil Empire
01-17-06, 04:57 PM
Isn't this something that's going on in the NY area? I haven't heard anything about this in the news at all.
I don't really know, but I heard it on CNN (which IIRC is based in Georgia).
(Edit: She was from Brooklyn, upon research)
YankeeClemens22
01-17-06, 04:58 PM
Well, not all of us are from NY so we wouldn't have known that. Based on the thread title and the opening post, I didn't know what was being discussed.
Actually, it's national news. But nobody was judging you to begin with, so no need to get defensive.
NYYBombshell
01-17-06, 05:00 PM
Actually, it's national news. But nobody was judging you to begin with, so no need to get defensive.
Defensive?
:lol:
That's a good one.
NYYBombshell
01-17-06, 05:01 PM
I don't really know, but I heard it on CNN (which IIRC is based in Georgia).
(Edit: She was from Brooklyn, upon research)
That's interesting because this is the first I've heard of it. I watch CNN enough, but I might have missed this story.
yankeebot
01-17-06, 05:07 PM
That's interesting because this is the first I've heard of it. I watch CNN enough, but I might have missed this story.
I know CNN is national but I believe they have broadcasts that only appear in select markets so everybody is not always seeing the same thing. If I am correct, that could explain why you did not catch this story.
DiMaggio5CF
01-17-06, 05:07 PM
Actually, it's national news. But nobody was judging you to begin with, so no need to get defensive.I was.
Redstone331
01-17-06, 05:52 PM
Defensive?
:lol:
That's a good one.
Sometimes when you have no idea WTF you are responding to, the case, or the facts it's best to keep your trap shut. You look even more ignorant than your post.
I understand the original poster's despair.
But the last time I checked, we (our country) is still based on laws.
The court will decide and that's a good thing.
Emotions aside, the LAW rules our country.
Still, a very sad situation.
NYYBombshell
01-17-06, 05:57 PM
Sometimes when you have no idea WTF you are responding to, the case, or the facts it's best to keep your trap shut. You look even more ignorant than your post.
What a lovely first post to make.
So I can't ask what the person is talking about when the thread title and the original post don't mention it? I can't have clarification?
Redstone331
01-17-06, 06:02 PM
What a lovely first post to make.
So I can't ask what the person is talking about when the thread title and the original post don't mention it? I can't have clarification?
Sometimes, just sometimes, posters are beyond clarification.
;)
NYYBombshell
01-17-06, 06:03 PM
Sometimes, just sometimes, posters are beyond clarification.
;)
Mmm-hmm.
Is that your way of saying I'm stupid, or what? Because I'd really like to know.
StaceyRosie
01-17-06, 06:09 PM
I was going to go to her wake tonight but I know I'd probably give her family members who sat around and did nothing dirty looks.
This story upsets me so much. I want to kill that mofo and the stupid bitch mother with my bare hands.
Sheff_Rod
01-17-06, 06:11 PM
What does being in New York have to do with this?
Well, it's been on the front page of every paper in NY for the last week or so.
Just one of 'em: http://www.nypost.com/seven/seven.htm
Redstone331
01-17-06, 06:11 PM
Mmm-hmm.
Is that your way of saying I'm stupid, or what? Because I'd really like to know.
Never would use the term stupid.
Misinformed, only because some love to spout while not informed.
;)
Mystic Merlyn
01-17-06, 06:12 PM
Mmm-hmm.
Is that your way of saying I'm stupid, or what? Because I'd really like to know.
It's his way of advising against getting defensive over virtually nothing, which you DO tend to do at times.
Evil Empire
01-17-06, 06:20 PM
Well, it's been on the front page of every paper in NY for the last week or so.
Just one of 'em: http://www.nypost.com/seven/seven.htm
:lol: I'm such a stupidass.
ring403
01-17-06, 06:20 PM
Sometimes when you have no idea WTF you are responding to, the case, or the facts it's best to keep your trap shut. You look even more ignorant than your post.
Never would use the term stupid.
Misinformed, only because some love to spout while not informed.
That's two quick strikes. Might want to think about taking a pitch, Slugger.
You know what, John?
Why not just go ahead and close this damn thread.
God forbid I post something that isn't "clear".
Just close it.
StaceyRosie
01-17-06, 06:37 PM
You know what, John?
Why not just go ahead and close this damn thread.
God forbid I post something that isn't "clear".
Just close it.
I knew what you were talking about and only I should count.
NYYBombshell
01-17-06, 06:39 PM
Okay, I went to the Daily News website and I read the story.
I'd like a few minutes in a locked room alone with those two animals and I'd teach them the concept of valuing life.
penfold
01-17-06, 06:42 PM
You know what, John?
Why not just go ahead and close this damn thread.
God forbid I post something that isn't "clear".
Just close it.
Um... you could just edit your first post and put a link to any article in it. That way everybody will be on the same page -- literally and figuratively.
Snatch Catch
01-17-06, 06:47 PM
You know what, John?
Why not just go ahead and close this damn thread.
God forbid I post something that isn't "clear".
Just close it.
I had no idea what was going on, and almost took my life in the confusion.
Think about that the next time smr15.
;)
YankeePride1967
01-17-06, 06:50 PM
Okay, I went to the Daily News website and I read the story.
I'd like a few minutes in a locked room alone with those two animals and I'd teach them the concept of valuing life.
There are some people allegedly "working" at ACS that should also join that list.
Evil Empire
01-17-06, 06:55 PM
I had no idea what was going on, and almost took my life in the confusion.
Think about that the next time smr15.
;) :lol:
NYYBombshell
01-17-06, 06:56 PM
There are some people allegedly "working" at ACS that should also join that list.
For the life of me, I can't understand how these programs devoted to helping children can allow this to happen. I really can't. I was reading the article in the Daily News and they mentioned another little girl who died in 1995 at the hands of her mother and when I read the things that little girl had to go through............
Some people just don't deserve the oxygen in their lungs.
DiMaggio5CF
01-17-06, 06:59 PM
I could suggest that the moderators are about to smite some people here, but then I'd get blasted about having mod-envy and it being my life-long goal to be a mod and (hang on, let me make sure I get this right) whining needlessly at the drop of a hat, especially since I'm making a general statement and not even talking to one person or another.
I guess lots of people just have sand in their vag or mangina lately. Must be the anticipation of Spring Training and/or the hatred of that bull................ but rapidly approaching period between the end of football and the beginning of baseball.
YankeePride1967
01-17-06, 06:59 PM
For the life of me, I can't understand how these programs devoted to helping children can allow this to happen. I really can't. I was reading the article in the Daily News and they mentioned another little girl who died in 1995 at the hands of her mother and when I read the things that little girl had to go through............
Some people just don't deserve the oxygen in their lungs.
I read that the child begged her grandmother to take her home before Christmas. Also she was visited by ACS on numerous occasions but nothing was done. This is the same department Mayor Bloomberg was recently bragging about what a great job they were doing. I'm sorry, this is a field where mistakes like this are allowable.
Um... you could just edit your first post and put a link to any article in it. That way everybody will be on the same page -- literally and figuratively.
um.... maybe I don't care if everybody's on the same page.
Sheff_Rod
01-17-06, 07:03 PM
For the life of me, I can't understand how these programs devoted to helping children can allow this to happen. I really can't. I was reading the article in the Daily News and they mentioned another little girl who died in 1995 at the hands of her mother and when I read the things that little girl had to go through............
Some people just don't deserve the oxygen in their lungs.
Something similar happened in the mid-80's also.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/lisa_steinberg/1.html
Jersey Yankee
01-17-06, 07:08 PM
What does being in New York have to do with this?
Since she's in Georgia, how do you expect her to know what the NY papers are writing about?
Jersey Yankee
01-17-06, 07:12 PM
There are some people allegedly "working" at ACS that should also join that list.
From what I've heard, they may not be working there much longer, since they could be demoted or canned.
I'd really have to see what rules were in place, since it could be the confusion caused by too many cases that might've been at fault. Still, the workers have to be held responsible.
When I heard that the girl suffered a fatal blow because she "dared" to take her stepfather's yogurt from the fridge, I couldn't go on.
Some people weren't made to have kids.
Oh for crying out loud.
With all the members we have here, does every member have to be a part of every thread?
While this story did receive some national coverage, it is more a local issue.
Perhaps this story is more one for people from this area to discuss.
If other people want to read the thread, and that prompts them to find out about the story, and then join the discussion, that's great.
But if not... so what.
You know what?
I'm officially asking a mod again to close this thread.
Enough already.
I f'ing give up.
NYYBombshell
01-17-06, 07:14 PM
Something similar happened in the mid-80's also.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/lisa_steinberg/1.html
I remember Lisa Steinberg. Law and Order did an episode quite similar to that case at the time.
Stupid Flanders
01-17-06, 07:15 PM
It's his way of advising against getting defensive over virtually nothing, which you DO tend to do at times.NO STOP MAKING THINGS UP PLEASE
YankeePride1967
01-17-06, 07:16 PM
Oh for crying out loud.
With all the members we have here, does every member have to be a part of every thread?
While this story did receive some national coverage, it is more a local issue.
Perhaps this story is more one for people from this area to discuss.
If other people want to read the thread, and that prompts them to find out about the story, and then join the discussion, that's great.
But if not... so what.
You know what?
I'm officially asking a mod again to close this thread.
Enough already.
I f'ing give up.
Better idea. Since in between this worrying about this stuff, people are actually discussing the issue in depth, why not just have a mod just update the title if there is a need to do anything at all? This is a very interesting topic and one worth discussing.
NYYBombshell
01-17-06, 07:16 PM
Oh for crying out loud.
With all the members we have here, does every member have to be a part of every thread?
While this story did receive some national coverage, it is more a local issue.
Perhaps this story is more one for people from this area to discuss.
If other people want to read the thread, and that prompts them to find out about the story, and then join the discussion, that's great.
But if not... so what.
You know what?
I'm officially asking a mod again to close this thread.
Enough already.
I f'ing give up.
Why should a mod close this thread?
DiMaggio5CF
01-17-06, 07:22 PM
Oh for crying out loud.
With all the members we have here, does every member have to be a part of every thread?
While this story did receive some national coverage, it is more a local issue.
Perhaps this story is more one for people from this area to discuss.
If other people want to read the thread, and that prompts them to find out about the story, and then join the discussion, that's great.
Well if you had been a little more clear in your title/post . . .
Evil Empire
01-17-06, 07:26 PM
Since she's in Georgia, how do you expect her to know what the NY papers are writing about?
I never expected anything of anyone....:confused:
yankeebot
01-17-06, 07:29 PM
I'm going to bypass all the bickering going on here and answer the question in the thread title. Do we need a trial? Absolutely. But we need a prosecuting attorney that can get it right. I know you were probably suggesting some vigilante justice but we know that is not realistic. The last thing I want to see is this murderer get a plea bargain.
silverdsl
01-17-06, 07:30 PM
I understand that this is a sensitive topic but if this thread is to remain open the comments directed towards other users needs to stop. Please discuss the topic of the thread and not each other. Thank you.
-Deborah
Staying on the topic....
I pray that these pieces of trash will be found guilty and sentenced to the max. Then I hope they're "taken care of" in prison....from what I understand, in jail there's nothing lower than a child-killer.
I wish nothing but the very worst for these parents. I can't begin to fathom the kind of evil they have perpetrated.
Redstone331
01-17-06, 08:08 PM
I remember Lisa Steinberg. Law and Order did an episode quite similar to that case at the time.
And nothing more needs to be said.
Evil Empire
01-17-06, 08:08 PM
Since I don't know much about this story, does anyone know the motive of the parents? Just curious as to what it could possibly be.
Jersey Yankee
01-17-06, 08:11 PM
Since I don't know much about this story, does anyone know the motive of the parents? Just curious as to what it could possibly be.
Is the word "evilness" sufficient?
Since I don't know much about this story, does anyone know the motive of the parents? Just curious as to what it could possibly be.
From what I've read, the mother had this little girl with another man, who Rodriguez hates. So apparently he was taking out this hatred on the child. I read that he was physically abusive with all of the children, but Nixmary's abuse was the most severe.
The mother did nothing to stop it. Why? Was she abused, & powerless? I don't know. It's awful.
Since I don't know much about this story, does anyone know the motive of the parents? Just curious as to what it could possibly be.
I'm guessing the Father was sadistic(sp?) and the mother was one of those people who love their significant others more than their own children.
PettittesPrincess
01-17-06, 08:29 PM
Oh how awful :( That poor girl... this makes me ill. (using google to figure out what happened is pretty easy to do if unfamiliar.)
JfromJersey
01-18-06, 12:53 AM
I'm guessing the Father was sadistic(sp?) and the mother was one of those people who love their significant others more than their own children.
There will always be sick, depraved bastards in this society who do things like this. The system for dealing with it has to change.
There will always be sick, depraved bastards in this society who do things like this. The system for dealing with it has to change.
I agree. I hope his cellmate has children.
NYDCYankee
01-20-06, 03:48 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/384317p-326175c.html
Interview with the stepfather
Monster stepdad Cesar Rodriguez blamed his helpless victim yesterday, saying 7-year-old Nixzmary Brown's impish behavior so enraged him he was forced to administer sadistic beatings.
In an outrageous jailhouse interview the day after she was buried, Rodriguez revealed the demented conversation he has with Nixzmary's spirit while he lays awake in his cell at night.
"I ask her why she had to put me through so much trouble," he told reporters, wringing the same hands he used to pummel the child and tie her to a chair in a locked room.
"And I tell her I'm sorry and that I love her."
Wearing a gray jumpsuit and speaking in a calm voice, Rodriguez denied molesting his stepdaughter and refused to say what he did to her the night she died of a blow to the head.
But in excruciating detail, he recounted - and pathetically tried to justify - the many beatings she suffered in the past four years.
He made little apology for the brutal punishment, instead venting his frustration that the second-grader didn't learn from her mistakes.
After each drubbing, he said, "I would hold her up to the mirror and make her look at herself and I would say, 'Do you really want to live like this? Look at yourself. Talk to yourself. How do you feel about yourself?'"
The little girl's death and life of torture in this house of horrors have touched the entire city and forced a shakeup of its child welfare agency.
Rodriguez, 27, and his wife, Nixzaliz Santiago, 27, are charged with second-degree murder. His defense is that his victim was "a handful."
"I don't want to say she deserved it, but ..." Rodriguez said, then reeled off a list of transgressions, most of which would hardly shock the parents of a rambunctious grade-schooler.
Nixzmary cut her sister's hair, took money and baby food, ruined toys, hit her siblings and messed with the cat.
One day she admitted she'd filched a propane lighter and after a long interrogation confessed she'd held it to her 6-month-old brother Gabriel's leg, her stepfather said.
Without a speck of irony, Rodriguez said he berated Nixzmary, "How could you do this to a helpless little child?"
Asked how he punished her, he said simply, "I beat her."
The scrawny ex-security guard said that when he attacked Nixzmary, he used a closed fist on her bony back and legs. "I probably used all my force," he conceded.
He admitted she was imprisoned like an animal. "I would have to lock her in the room at night to protect myself and the kids so I could sleep at night," he said.
And accusations she was tethered to a chair are true, he said. At first, he used twine, but after he saw it left marks on her arms he switched to duct tape.
"This is for your own good," he would tell her, then leave her in the chair for the night with only a pillow and blanket.
Nixzmary did use the cat-litter box as a toilet, but only because it was in the room where she was locked at night, he said.
"All she had to do was call me," he said.
Rodriguez insisted Nixzmary was such a destructive force he and Santiago considered sending her to live in Puerto Rico with her maternal grandmother.
"I just wanted it all to stop," he said.
But a caseworker from the Administration for Children's Services, which first investigated the family last summer, counseled the couple against it.
"Don't do it. You'll regret it. She's going to end up hating you," the caseworker said, according to Rodriguez.
He said he began entertaining fantasies of getting rid of Nixzmary - putting her in foster care or dumping her someplace.
"If I could do it all over again, I would pressure myself to take her to the precinct and just leave her there," he said.
Although he had beaten her for years, Rodriguez said his patience with Nixzmary finally ran out last month after he was fired from his job and money became tight.
"I felt like this," he said, wrapping his arms around his body. "Everything was just closing in."
Then came the night of Jan. 10, when Nixzmary pushed him over the edge, he said.
Her crimes? First she took a container of his yogurt. Then she admitted she had jammed junk into his computer printer.
Suddenly reticent, Rodriguez would not say exactly what happened next, though he did acknowledge beating Nixzmary one last time.
"It was a mistake," he said. "It was an accident. If I was to walk out onto the street and get shot and die, it would be an accident like that."
Despite his efforts to portray Nixzmary as some kind of demon child, he said he does feel bad about her death.
"I have a lot of guilt. I'm sorry about all that happened," he said. "I have a problem with my emotions. It builds up and I hold it all in. I emotionally just burst."
Sporting a small cut over his eye, he whined that correction officers had taunted him, egged on other inmates to attack him and showed him a copy of the Daily News featuring a photo of Nixzmary in her coffin.
"Are you happy now?" one officer asked.
Cesar Rodriguez had no answer.
nhyankeefan
01-20-06, 04:26 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/384317p-326175c.html
Interview with the stepfather
That is one sick guy. I hope he's getting the appropriate attention from his fellow inmates.
yankeebot
01-20-06, 04:43 AM
I feel like I am going to vomit. I read his words and I have trouble digesting that fact that people like this are part of our society. How does this happen? What goes wrong with a person's brain to turn them into this sort of monster? Incomprehensible.
StaceyRosie
01-20-06, 11:32 AM
One bullet to the head. That's it. He doesn't deserve to live. People who harm children should just be killed. F them.
PalmerGA
01-20-06, 11:45 AM
Of course we need a trial. And a fair and impartial trial at that.
Now bring the guilty bastard into court and hang his ass!
nhyankeefan
01-20-06, 11:52 AM
One bullet to the head. That's it. He doesn't deserve to live. People who harm children should just be killed. F them.
But that way he wouldn't suffer enough. He deserves the "medival" treatment from Pulp Fiction.
effdamets
01-20-06, 12:01 PM
Killing this idiot would be letting him off easy. Especially the bullet to the head method.
This guy should have his hands and feet chopped off (no anesthesia) so he could never harm another person for the rest of his existence AND he could live his life in misery like that poor little girl did!
THEN.... His mother and father should be put in jail forever, for creating a monster and never teaching him that you shouldn't hurt a little defenseless child.
Oh, and one last thing... This waste of human flesh should be gelded so that he can never produce another human that would have a chance to grow up and hurt another person.
I firmly believe that punishment such as this would "fix" alot of the "insanity" in this country....
Someone should gouge his eyes out.
RhodyYanksFan
01-20-06, 12:23 PM
I was angry at this situation when I first heard about it. After reading the interview with the guy I'm disgusted. Usually the tabloids blow stuff out of proportion by calling people monsters, but they hit the nail on the head with this one.
yeahimweird
01-20-06, 12:38 PM
I felt myself getting ill reading that asshole's interview.
When he's in jail for the rest of his life, I hope they keep him in the general population, because he will deserve whatever he gets from the other inmates.
NYYBombshell
01-20-06, 01:30 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/384317p-326175c.html
Interview with the stepfather
He needs to be taken care of Mafia-style. Call Tony Soprano and see what he and his boys can do.
What an absolutely abhorrent human being. Wait, scratch out "human being" and pencil in animal. My baby dolls when I was little were better parents then these two wastes of flesh.
This degenerate suckmonger needs to be made an example of.
THEN.... His mother and father should be put in jail forever, for creating a monster and never teaching him that you shouldn't hurt a little defenseless child.
.
According to this article in the Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/20/nyregion/20suspect.html
He was beaten severely as a child. So yes, they certainly bear some responsibility for this little girl's death IMO.
He said that he loved Nixzmary as his own daughter, but she was mischievous, stubborn and disobedient. He tried to run a tight ship at home: For example, the children were forbidden to touch any food in the kitchen without permission. He learned this approach from his mother, who used a belt to strike him and "would beat me till she could not feel her arm anymore."
Also in this article, he states that he is being beaten up by other inmates who've heard about the murder. IMO this is the only bright point in the story.
NYYBombshell
01-20-06, 02:18 PM
Also in this article, he states that he is being beaten up by other inmates who've heard about the murder. IMO this is the only bright point in the story.
Child killers/molestors don't fare well in prison. This is how it should be, IMO.
I hope he's enjoying it as much as his daughter did.
effdamets
01-20-06, 02:44 PM
According to this article in the Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/20/nyregion/20suspect.html
He was beaten severely as a child. So yes, they certainly bear some responsibility for this little girl's death IMO.
Also in this article, he states that he is being beaten up by other inmates who've heard about the murder. IMO this is the only bright point in the story.
Eff him and eff his parents too (the mother is not far behind either)... Bottom line! He killed a little girl. Now he must suffer. The inmates that aren't "punishing" him, ought to make sure he stays alive for the ones that are!
What an absolute piece of sh*t!
DiMaggio5CF
01-20-06, 03:05 PM
I'm the first to admit that some kids just need a good beating. But the crime has to be serious enough to warrant a beating, and there's a difference between a beating and abuse; there's a certain line, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the line is somewhere before the kid dies.
At the local elementary school the other day, a 5th grade student (10 years old?) punched another kid in the face (unprovoked) and then, when he was reprimanded, called the teacher a "white bitch" amidst many f-bombs (funny thing is that the kid is white). This kid needs a good beating.
The kid who brought that pellet gun to school and got shot by a cop . . . guaranteed, somewhere along the line, he needed a good beating.
Jacking your old man's yogurt is not cause for getting beaten to death.
And while I'm not into assigning blame and deflecting it from the main target, I would like to know a little more about this social worker who advised them not to send the kid off. Isn't the kid's safety more important than her feelings toward her parents.
Honestly, if you put a gun to my head right now, I'd say that either there was no social worker or the social worker never said that, and that it's a lie by Rodriguez to take the heat off himself, but I'd still like some more information into whether or not it really is true.
NYYBombshell
01-20-06, 03:11 PM
I'm the first to admit that some kids just need a good beating.
Edit: Not worth it.
nhyankeefan
01-20-06, 03:19 PM
I'm the first to admit that some kids just need a good beating. But the crime has to be serious enough to warrant a beating, and there's a difference between a beating and abuse; there's a certain line, and
I hope you don't have kids, your attitude is scary.
Discipline is an important part of raising children but I don't think it should be physical. There are plenty of other ways to discipline which I think are much more effective. The problem that some parents have is that the other ways take a lot more time and effort so they resort to beating their kids. Plus most kids who are abused tend to be abusers when they grow up.
CoyoteYankee
01-20-06, 03:41 PM
I hope you don't have kids, your attitude is scary.
Discipline is an important part of raising children but I don't think it should be physical. There are plenty of other ways to discipline which I think are much more effective. The problem that some parents have is that the other ways take a lot more time and effort so they resort to beating their kids. Plus most kids who are abused tend to be abusers when they grow up.
There are obviously vast opinions on this matter. I believe in physical punishment of kids, meaning a slap or spanking, not beating. The debate about this could be heated, I'm sure so maybe we shouldn't go there.
But everyone would agree that this guy is a total monster. I don't understand how he could possibly think that he is at all justified in what he did. It makes me very sad.
nhyankeefan
01-20-06, 03:49 PM
There are obviously vast opinions on this matter. I believe in physical punishment of kids, meaning a slap or spanking, not beating. The debate about this could be heated, I'm sure so maybe we shouldn't go there.
You are absolutely correct. I don't mean to start anything here, I just wasn't thinking about the possible ramifications when I posted.
effdamets
01-20-06, 03:53 PM
There are obviously vast opinions on this matter. I believe in physical punishment of kids, meaning a slap or spanking, not beating. The debate about this could be heated, I'm sure so maybe we shouldn't go there.
But everyone would agree that this guy is a total monster. I don't understand how he could possibly think that he is at all justified in what he did. It makes me very sad.
There certainly are times for giving a child a good whack on their butt! When I was young, I got hit, and my father is 6 foot 4. When you are knee-high to a grass hopper, that's giant and it's intimidating. I used to sit next to him at the dinner table and if I stepped out of line, the back of his right hand ALWAYS got me in the face.... Then he would explain why, which is a part parenting that has gone to die. (this is my opinion) I think it is important that a child knows what he/she is being spanked for, not just showing the child that their behavior enrages the parent.
And it seems that a lot of youth today have no respect, or at least less respect, for adults in general. I see it everyday. Kids getting on the subway/train and pushing or mouthing off to an adult like they were on the play ground. It's really sad, today's youth. Or should I say, today's parents.
Snatch Catch
01-20-06, 03:55 PM
People need to realize that the term "beating" means different things to different people.
To most who use the term as a noun in connection with the punishment of a child, it simply means strong, physical discipline.
It doesn't mean that you're engaging in a street fight with the kid, punching them in the face or anything like that. It's a term used to describe a thorough physical discplining.
NYYBombshell
01-20-06, 04:14 PM
People need to realize that the term "beating" means different things to different people.
To most who use the term as a noun in connection with the punishment of a child, it simply means strong, physical discipline.
It doesn't mean that you're engaging in a street fight with the kid, punching them in the face or anything like that. It's a term used to describe a thorough physical discplining.
When I see the words "beating" and "child" in the same sentence, I don't see the word "punishment". I was "punished". I got spanked, I got swatted on the hand, I got sent to the corner, I got sent to my room......never once was I "beaten". I don't know anyone who refers to beating a child and really means just punishing them.
I believe that poster was referring to BEATING a child. Which is disgusting. If that's not the case, then I apologize for inferring such, but if it is.......I don't know what more can be said.
DiMaggio5CF
01-20-06, 04:32 PM
I hope you don't have kids, your attitude is scary.
Discipline is an important part of raising children but I don't think it should be physical. There are plenty of other ways to discipline which I think are much more effective. The problem that some parents have is that the other ways take a lot more time and effort so they resort to beating their kids. Plus most kids who are abused tend to be abusers when they grow up.
Beating, of course, would be the last step.
There are much more effective ways of punishing most children. And as long as you're assertive and consistent, and if you explain the situation, most kids will understand.
Kids need strict guidelines, and they have to realize that their actions have consequences; good behavior earns nothing, bad behavior earns negative consequences, outstanding behavior earns positive consequences. And while most kids fight punishments at first, over time they realize that it's for their own good.
But every once in a while, you get a kid that just doesn't get it. Sometimes, a kid doesn't respond to punishment or a kid that violates the punishment along with the rules. And when the punishments don't work and the kid gets to the point where he's a menace to society and/or using violence to solve his problems, then the kid needs a beating.
Obviously, I don't encourage beating a kid, and I'm not talking about repeated beatings, but there are situations with certain kids in which physical punishment is the only thing that will get through to them and the only thing that will prevent their life from going down a really dark path. If throwing a kid a beating prevents Columbine Part II, I'm all for it.
DiMaggio5CF
01-20-06, 04:34 PM
It doesn't mean that you're engaging in a street fight with the kid, punching them in the face or anything like that. It's a term used to describe a thorough physical discplining.
Correct.
DiMaggio5CF
01-20-06, 04:37 PM
When I see the words "beating" and "child" in the same sentence, I don't see the word "punishment". I was "punished". I got spanked, I got swatted on the hand, I got sent to the corner, I got sent to my room......never once was I "beaten". I don't know anyone who refers to beating a child and really means just punishing them.
I don't know you, but I'm pretty sure that you're not one of the select few that I'm talking about anyway.
Your behavior and your discipline as a child probably has nothing to do with what I'm talking about at all.
PalmerGA
01-20-06, 05:47 PM
I believe that poster was referring to BEATING a child. Which is disgusting. If that's not the case, then I apologize for inferring such, but if it is.......I don't know what more can be said.You must not have gotten out much while you were in GA. The term "beat" is often (in fact, usually) used to mean spank or swat. I think it's used to intimidate mostly, but a spanking is often referred to a "beating". And I don't think DiMaggio meant beating the way you interpret it.
NYYBombshell
01-20-06, 05:56 PM
You must not have gotten out much while you were in GA. The term "beat" is often (in fact, usually) used to mean spank or swat. I think it's used to intimidate mostly, but a spanking is often referred to a "beating". And I don't think DiMaggio meant beating the way you interpret it.
What does living in Georgia have to do with anything?
__starr69
01-20-06, 10:17 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/384317p-326175c.html
Interview with the stepfather
"It was a mistake," he said. "It was an accident. If I was to walk out onto the street and get shot and die, it would be an accident like that."
I don't know about that. And if he ever walks onto the street again, there is no such thing as justice.
Death is not enough punishment for this... animal.
Luvtino
01-24-06, 10:16 PM
Poor little girl. Breaks my heart. :(
Unfortunately it is too late to help this little baby doll, but hopefully this case leads to change in laws in regards to how they are reported and more severe punishment for the animals who commit crimes against children. :mad: :(
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