View Full Version : How 'bout Pavano for Tejada?
yogibuck
01-02-06, 01:11 PM
lol. Miguel is short at 5'7-5'9 and his body may be more suited for 2b anyhow.
Baltimore, despite their dislike for injury plagued players made a big push for Pavano last year before we signed him.
Maybe he would still interest them. Tejada has $54M left on a 4-year deal. Pavano has 3 years and $31M left. Yanks might have to throw in a prospect, but I wouldn't do Hughes. I'd do a secondary prospect or two such as Henn, Desalvo, etc. or nothing.
But it seems they have been talking about Manny and Clement for Tejada. I've seen Marte's name mentioned as well. But in my mind Pavano projects much better than Clement. Manny is a throwin (salary dump) as he's been placed on waivers every year where any team could have had him for the price of his contract. It is just to big. Although Balt's mgt could sooth its fans by bringing in Manny.
Orioles | Offer Made To Pavano
Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:30:37 -0800
The Baltimore Sun's Joe Christensen reports an offer has been made to free-agent SP Carl Pavano by the Baltimore Orioles, although the length and financial terms of the contract were not disclosed.
Orioles | Pavano Stops In Baltimore
Mon, 6 Dec 2004 01:03:24 -0800
Updating an ongoing story, The Baltimore Sun's Roch Kubatko reports free-agent SP Carl Pavano visited the Baltimore Orioles Sunday, Dec. 5, having dinner with the Orioles' front-office staff. "They're great people," agent Scott Shapiro said. "Everybody's taking the time to give us an opportunity to meet with them. They're very accommodating. It's a special group of guys. There was a lot of really positive energy. What's not to like?"
I know alot of you guys and gals are anti-the all SS team. But they are generally the most athletic player on the field. Baltimore wouldn't want Cano, but we could use him as quite a trading chip to secure whatever else we wanted.
I'm generally against trading SP away for non-SP's but there is an exception to every rule. And a player of Tejada's ability is one of them.
I would think Tejada might make the move as he wants to play for a winner. In the manner that A-Rod did. Not to mention, he made 22 errors at SS last year. As he ages, he will likely be moved elsewhere anyhow as his BEST season was 19 errors. So he isn't going to win any gold gloves. I'd be curious to know how many of those were throwing. If moved to second, that could improve.
If he's not interested, nothing lost. If he is, I love sticking it to the Redsox. If nothing else, we might be able to drive up the price the Sox would have to pay.
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-02-06, 01:13 PM
:lol: :roflmao: :-poke-:
Irabu's Son
01-02-06, 01:15 PM
Please let this not be a real post.
Saxmania
01-02-06, 01:17 PM
I'm sure that what Baltimore want to do is trade one of the best players in the game within their division, receiving in return a pitcher who's had one good year, whose single year of AL pitching was poor, and who's owned $30 million. That would be much better than getting Jon Lester or Felix Pie or Mark Prior or Manny Ramirez.
Thing is, with Angelos, you just never know.
Be seeing you,
Saxmania
keithf1
01-02-06, 01:20 PM
Carl Pavano lost any credibility he ever had after last season and even after his high point would he ever be a tradable piece for Tejada (as much as I hate him). But anyway, let's do it. You propose it and I'll accept when the rosters unlock. http://fantasysports.yahoo.com/
Suggestions like this hurt the reputation of this entire forum. Do a little research before proposing anything.
Suggestions like this hurt the reputation of this entire forum. Do a little research before proposing anything.
You said it. I can't believe their are fans out there that actually think of this stuff. They are living in a fantasy world.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 01:25 PM
Well, I personally would likely throw in Cano as well. Although they would have to flip him off on someone else as Roberts is a pretty good 2b.
Not sure when Roberts will be ready from injury.
Casey37
01-02-06, 01:27 PM
Huh? :giveup:
Yankyfan
01-02-06, 01:27 PM
I guess you could start with Pavano but you'll have to add at least Cano and others.
Irabu's Son
01-02-06, 01:27 PM
Carl Pavano lost any credibility he ever had after last season and even after his high point would he ever be a tradable piece for Tejada (as much as I hate him). But anyway, let's do it. You propose it and I'll accept when the rosters unlock. http://fantasysports.yahoo.com/
Greatest response in history. Well-done :lol: :clap:
Stealthspy
01-02-06, 01:32 PM
There are stupid managements in this league, but they're not that stupid. Our problem will not net an elite player such as Tejada unless we throw in 2 or three top prospects.
montrealer
01-02-06, 01:33 PM
A bad pitcher for a future Hall of Famer?
yogibuck
01-02-06, 01:33 PM
Sometimes, folks have to have vision.
Tejada for Manny, Clement and Marte is a joke to me.
I like Manny, but Boston has been trying to let him go for free every season.
Maybe he is more valuable now as salaries have increased and the contract has shrunk to only three years.
Baltimore is not dealing from a position of strength. Cano (partly because of salary) and Pavano (injury weakens our position as well) would be very tempting for many.
I think many here underestimate the value of starting pitching.
Why else would anyone sign 41 yr old Kenny Rogers for 2 years at $16 M. Or Millwood at $60M over 5-years.
Sometimes, folks have to have vision.
Tejada for Manny, Clement and Marte is a joke to me.
I like Manny, but Boston has been trying to let him go for free every season.
Maybe he is more valuable now as salaries have increased and the contract has shrunk to only three years.
Baltimore is not dealing from a position of strength. Cano (partly because of salary) and Pavano (injury weakens our position as well) would be very tempting for many.
I think many here underestimate the value of starting pitching.
Why else would anyone sign 41 yr old Kenny Rogers for 2 years at $16 M. Or Millwood at $60M over 5-years.
They have a young star at 2B named Brian Roberts. He is better than Cano. The Orioles will not ship their one super star for a 4th starter!
A Boston offer of Manny Ramirez (one of the greatest hitters of our generation) Matt Clement (durable and a decent #3) and Andy Marte (projects to be the next Eric Chavez) blows Pavano and Cano out of the water.
Don't make stupid suggestions and act like we don't have vision.
yogibucks's next great idea: Jaret Wright and Felix Escalona for Travis Hafner
yogibuck
01-02-06, 01:40 PM
Suggestions like this hurt the reputation of this entire forum. Do a little research before proposing anything.
That's ok, I got responses like this before I proposed trading crap for A-Rod as well.
Nobody thought the Rangers would give him up and pay all that cash ($67M)either. And they gave him up for an enigma such as Soriano and a talented minor league player who still hasn't made it to the bigs.
People are motivated for different reasons.
If I'm Cashman, I'd start floating some ideas just to drive the price up for the Sox. I doubt there are a whole lot of clubs out there right now who can afford a $12-13 M per year player. Other than the Orioles, lol, who can't seem to sign anyone of merit.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 01:41 PM
They have a young star at 2B named Brian Roberts. He is better than Cano. The Orioles will not ship their one super star for a 4th starter!
A Boston offer of Manny Ramirez (one of the greatest hitters of our generation) Matt Clement (durable and a decent #3) and Andy Marte (projects to be the next Eric Chavez) blows Pavano and Cano out of the water.
Don't make stupid suggestions and act like we don't have vision.
yogibucks's next great idea: Jaret Wright and Felix Escalona for Travis Hafner
I already posted that they would have to flip Cano, or keep him until Roberts is recovered from injury then flip him.
Sometimes, folks have to have vision.
Tejada for Manny, Clement and Marte is a joke to me.
I like Manny, but Boston has been trying to let him go for free every season.
Maybe he is more valuable now as salaries have increased and the contract has shrunk to only three years.
Baltimore is not dealing from a position of strength. Cano (partly because of salary) and Pavano (injury weakens our position as well) would be very tempting for many.
I think many here underestimate the value of starting pitching.
Why else would anyone sign 41 yr old Kenny Rogers for 2 years at $16 M. Or Millwood at $60M over 5-years.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/01/01/road_to_future_marked_by_dollar_signs/
Ramírez has three years and $57 million remaining on his contract, which calls for him to make $19 million in 2006, $18 million in '07, and $20 million in '08. However, $4 million each season is deferred until 2011, when the deferral schedule begins, reducing the actual amount due him over the next three seasons to $45 million ($15 million, $14 million, and $16 million).
So, to recap: Ramírez will receive approximately $1.94 million each year for 16 years starting in 2011.
Manny is not that bad money wise at all anymore, especially considering he is one of the best hitters EVER. When they put manny on waivers there were free agents with names the likes of Vlad, etc... Also, I DO NOT think there is any merit to that trade rumor as sox would be insane to add marte into that deal. Use deals that actually happen. Kenny Rogers was good last year. Millwood was the era leader...Pavano WAS TERRIBLE and unproven in American league. We are all dumber for reading this post. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 01:56 PM
A Boston offer of Manny Ramirez (one of the greatest hitters of our generation) Matt Clement (durable and a decent #3) and Andy Marte (projects to be the next Eric Chavez) blows Pavano and Cano out of the water.
Manny is a loon, has demanded a trade, plays suspect defense (although I think 05 might have been his best year) and has been practically given away with no takers for the past two plus years.
I agree he is one of the greatest RH hitters, but his value would be much higher at $12M per year and if he would be willing to DH.
Matt Clement was a FA the same year Pavano was and Pavano was paid more money over more years and was much higher desired than Clement. So to call Clement durable and a decent #3 while giving no value to Pavano in my mind is shortsighted.
Cano has proven himself over a full season in NEW YORK while Marte has done nothing much more than collect a Baseball America award and is suspected to be hurt. His career minor league average is .274 and failed more miserably last year at the ML level than Melky hitting about .140 over a month. Not to mention, a guy that can play 2b with power (2b's) such as Cano did is more valuable to me than a 3b who can. And Cano is only a year older.
Irabu's Son
01-02-06, 01:58 PM
You have had some lucid thoughts on this forum in the past, but you may be beating a dead horse on this one.
YankeePride1967
01-02-06, 01:59 PM
maybe we can throw in Jaret Wright, the negotiating rights to Kevin Brown and Dave LaPoint as well to cement the deal!
Irabu's Son
01-02-06, 02:00 PM
maybe we can throw in Jaret Wright, the negotiating rights to Kevin Brown and Dave LaPoint as well to cement the deal!
I'm not giving up LaPoint or Dennis Rasmussen. Maybe Chuck Cary or Steve Farr though.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 02:01 PM
Manny is not that bad money wise at all anymore
I repeat, Manny is a LOON. A hitting fool. But a LOON nonetheless.
BronxBaumer
01-02-06, 02:04 PM
Why don't we just trade for Tejada straight up for Ruben Sierra. God knows he's the best player we've ever had...
BronxBaumer
01-02-06, 02:05 PM
You know, they won't even accept this trade on MVP baseball and I threw in two of my top prospects...
YankeePride1967
01-02-06, 02:05 PM
Let's see, in recent weeks, such players as Manny Ramirez and Mark Prior have been mentioned in trades coming to Baltimore for Tejada. Carl Pavano will really bowl them over! Call Manny Ramirez a loon but he will get the deal done 100 times out of a 100 ahead of any package of Pavano/Cano.
YankeePride1967
01-02-06, 02:06 PM
I repeat, Manny is a LOON. A hitting fool. But a LOON nonetheless.
And Carl Pavano is not a good pitcher.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 02:10 PM
And here I thought that Mark Prior has only made 30 starts once in his career. And it has been said that the Cubs wouldn't trade him head up for Tejada.
Granted Mark Prior is a better pitcher in my opinion than Pavano, but I believe he is arbitration eligible and should be making big money as well. Not to mention he is quite injury prone as well.
He is younger, but the Orioles would probably have Pavano longer than Prior as he will be a FA in 2 more seasons.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 02:12 PM
And Carl Pavano is not a good pitcher.
I beg to differ, he is one year removed from a very good 18 win season.
They guy had a bum shoulder last year. He was hurt. If he is healthy, I agree that is a risk, he should return to being a pretty decent pitcher.
YankeePride1967
01-02-06, 02:14 PM
I beg to differ, he is one year removed from a very good 18 win season.
They guy had a bum shoulder last year. He was hurt. If he is healthy, I agree that is a risk, he should return to being a pretty decent pitcher.
Other than that one year, he's been hurt his entire career. Pavano doesn't even have close to the trade value a Prior has. Not even close.
BronxBaumer
01-02-06, 02:15 PM
pretty decent pitcher.
Pretty decent in return for a Super Star? Read what you just wrote.
YankeePride1967
01-02-06, 02:16 PM
Baltimore would laugh at this trade offer. People have to understand that Carl Pavano has very little trade value right now. Matt Clement has more value than Pavano and Boston is also including one of the best hitters in the game as well.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 02:17 PM
Manny is not that bad money wise at all anymore
Would you please name the teams out there that can afford any player at $19M per season?
Mets
Orioles
Red Sox
Yankees
Maybe the White Sox & Angels after recent postseason successes.
Maybe SF if they trade Barry for him. Maybe the Dodgers if they trade J. D. Drew for him.
Pretty short list.
Once Baltimore moves Tejeda somewhere else, I bet Boston would trade Manny head up for Robinson Cano.
YankeePride1967
01-02-06, 02:18 PM
Pretty decent in return for a Super Star? Read what you just wrote.
This is why I turn the station off when someone calls in a sports talk show with a trade proposal. "Hey Mikey, what do you say we do a three-way deal here? Get St. Louis involved. Let's trade Jaret Wright and Kelly Stinnett to St. Louis for Albert Pujols as they can use some pitching and a catcher and then send Pavano and Scott Proctor to Baltimore for Miguel Tejada, Eric Bedard and Brian Roberts as they need pitching". Only think of things from your team's perspective.
Irabu's Son
01-02-06, 02:19 PM
I repeat, Manny is a LOON. A hitting fool. But a LOON nonetheless.
Is that a poor man's LOOGY?
YankeePride1967
01-02-06, 02:20 PM
Would you please name the teams out there that can afford any player at $19M per season?
Mets
Orioles
Red Sox
Yankees
Maybe the White Sox & Angels after recent postseason successes.
Maybe SF if they trade Barry for him.
Pretty short list.
So you admit here that Baltimore can afford Manny, but would rather instead of getting one of the best hitters in the game, get a pitcher that in eight seasons has had one very good season out of the eight at $10 million per?
Dooley Womack
01-02-06, 02:21 PM
Damn, if only we had re-signed John Flaherty, we could have used him as part of the package to get Tejada. Flaherty and Pavano for Tejada. How could the O's resist?
Irabu's Son
01-02-06, 02:21 PM
get a pitcher that in eight seasons has had one very good season out of the eight at $10 million per?
:clap: now you know why I hate Brian Cashman
Irabu's Son
01-02-06, 02:22 PM
Damn, if only we had re-signed John Flaherty, we could have used him as part of the package to get Tejada. Flaherty and Pavano for Tejada. How can the O's resist?
Because if we re-signed Flaherty we wouldn't be able to trade him until June 15. Use your head.
YankeePride1967
01-02-06, 02:23 PM
Damn, if only we had re-signed John Flaherty, we could have used him as part of the package to get Tejada. Flaherty and Pavano for Tejada. How could the O's resist?
And if Brian gets creative and throws in Wright, we may have a shot at getting Bedard back!
BronxBaumer
01-02-06, 02:26 PM
Only think of things from your team's perspective.
Yeah, thats definitely the problem with people around here too. There are so many deals proposed on this board on a regular basis that make no sense...and then somehow they encourage over 100 replies :P
yogibuck
01-02-06, 02:27 PM
I admit Balt can afford him. I also think he would continue to be a hitting fool at Camden. But he is what he is, a fool.
I disagree that he is as valuable as some of you folks say at $19 M per year.
Derek Jeter (if the Yankees could or wanted to) is untradeable at $19 M per year.
Frickin Arod (the best player in the game) was untradeable until the Yankees (again, limited # of teams could pay $) stepped up at what $15 M per season with the Rangers paying close to $10M/per season of his salary (whatever $67M is).
So while I think Baltimore could afford him and may end up getting him for Tejada, I also think Boston may have to pay $7M per season to average the salaries out some.
You folks also forget that Clement (9-1 with a 3.33 ERA as of June 28th) collapsed in the second half last season (3-4 5.72 post break) and likely has the same value as a hurt Pavano. Did he even pitch in the postseason?
BronxBaumer
01-02-06, 02:27 PM
And if Brian gets creative and throws in Wright, we may have a shot at getting Bedard back!
Hot damn! I have an idea, we could trade Wright to Boston for Manny and then trade Pavano to the Orioles for Tejada and we could rename the Yankees to the AL All Star Team :P
Anyone hear clown music when reading the first post?
yogibuck
01-02-06, 02:34 PM
Hot damn! I have an idea, we could trade Wright to Boston for Manny and then trade Pavano to the Orioles for Tejada and we could rename the Yankees to the AL All Star Team :P
You know, what sportswriters and fans of other teams say really doesn't bother me.
All I am interested is for the Yankees to put the very best team on the field as possible.
Seeing how the Yankees haven't won a WS since 2000, I don't think it is necessary any more for the Yankees to try to put a team together while keeping other peoples feelings in mind.
BronxBaumer
01-02-06, 02:38 PM
You know, what sportswriters and fans of other teams say really doesn't bother me.
All I am interested is for the Yankees to put the very best team on the field as possible.
Seeing how the Yankees haven't won a WS since 2000, I don't think it is necessary any more for the Yankees to try to put a team together while keeping other peoples feelings in mind.
First of all, Tejada is tremendously overrated and expensive. He has no position to play in. Further, the Orioles won't make the trade? What don't you understand about this?
yogibuck
01-02-06, 02:44 PM
First of all, Tejada is tremendously overrated and expensive. He has no position to play in. Further, the Orioles won't make the trade? What don't you understand about this?
lol, you go from calling Tejada a superstar to overrated.
Then you call him expensive. 4-yrs at $53M seems like a fair contract for a player of his ability when Furcal signed for roughly the same money at one less year ($39M for 3 years).
Further, you and I have NO IDEA what trade the Orioles would make so why don't you try to explain it to someone who is 16 years old.
BronxBaumer
01-02-06, 02:49 PM
4-yrs at $53M seems like a fair contract for a player of his ability when Furcal signed for roughly the same money at one less year ($39M for 3 years).
He doesn't help our team. Address the following questions?
Where does he play? He has never played a game in his life away from DH or SS.
Second, for a player that has no place to play, why pay him that much money?
Third, why would the Orioles trade someone who is a good--not great or even very good--hitter for someone who isn't even a league average pitcher over his career? It doesn't make sense to me!
YankeePride1967
01-02-06, 03:03 PM
You know, what sportswriters and fans of other teams say really doesn't bother me.
All I am interested is for the Yankees to put the very best team on the field as possible.
Seeing how the Yankees haven't won a WS since 2000, I don't think it is necessary any more for the Yankees to try to put a team together while keeping other peoples feelings in mind.
We know, but sadly for the Yanks, the Orioles also want to put the best team possible on the field as well and this trade will hurt that effort tremendously.
stephsamps
01-02-06, 03:13 PM
I think this would only work if we would have signed nomar to play first. Since we are no longer going for the all-shortstop team, I would think we would have to pass on this :).
keithf1
01-02-06, 03:13 PM
This takes the place as worst thread created passing up "Can the MLB forfeit games from 2005?".
I repeat, Manny is a LOON. A hitting fool. But a LOON nonetheless.
What the hell do you think Baltimore wants him for? To develop new theories on quantum physics??? For all the talk I don't see where Manny has been any kind of negative on the Red Sox who he won a world series with and performed incredibly well in the postseason even when they lost. I totally agree with people in this thread who have already said that its this kind of stuff that at times makes the board a joke.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 03:27 PM
He doesn't help our team. Address the following questions?
Where does he play? He has never played a game in his life away from DH or SS.
All you negative nellies kill me. Let me explain one thing. SS is the most talent demanding position to play in MLB other than pitcher. And in pitching it is only one arm.
C is physically harder but it is a position that a player of less talent can often play.
SS's get moved to other positions all the time, once they prove they can't play there at the ML level.
2B is the same thing as SS except for:
The ball comes at you from a slightly different angle.
More often than not, as most hitters are RH and RH hitters often pull the ball you don't get as many ground balls and when it does come the way of a 2b it is often not hit as sharply.
It is an easier throw (most of the time), more often you have more time to throw.
You have a different turn at 2b on the DP and the turn can demand some arm strength. (Tall lanky guys can play ss but often don't translate as well to 2b, so those guys often go to third if they have the power or to utility Inf if they don't)
The cutoffs are less intensive and on bunts you often run the opposite direction.
So basically if you can turn the double play at the equivelent of a major league 2 bagger you can make the transition from SS to 2b.
So basically if you can turn the double play at the equivelent of a major league 2 bagger you can make the transition from SS to 2b.
Just ask Kaz Matsui.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 03:32 PM
I totally agree with people in this thread who have already said that its this kind of stuff that at times makes the board a joke.
Yeah, and it was folks like you that laughed at me when I sparked talk regarding Randy J. for Vasquez (who had a crappy year as well), Halsey (awfully similiar in value as Henn) and Dioneer Navarro (a decent prospect who I thought would be a starter by now, but not one of Hughes or Duncans caliber.)
I don't blame you. Most people don't have the ability to dream or reason. Then actually act on that impulse.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 03:43 PM
Just ask Kaz Matsui.
?????
ESPN says he made 23 errors as a SS in 04 and 9 as a 2 bagger in 05.
I'd say he was an awful defender before moving to 2b in an attempt to cover it up.
I thought they were mainly upset because he hit .255 with no patience and with only 3 hr's at 8M per season. And that they paid him 8M per season anticipating a SS, who has more value than a 2b.
Irabu's Son
01-02-06, 03:45 PM
Please stop.
Please.
DiMaggio5CF
01-02-06, 03:50 PM
All you negative nellies kill me.
Well I think it's just because you insist on giving up way too much in these trade ideas.
First of all, it should be Aaron Small traded for Tejada, not Pavano. But we should replace that starting pitcher, so we'll also get Bedard in the trade. Then we'll trade Bedard straight-up for Johan Santana. Now that's a trade that gets proper value for what we'd give up.
Until you start valuing the Yankee players appropriately, you're going to run into this kind of resistance in your ideas.
Yeah, and it was folks like you that laughed at me when I sparked talk regarding Randy J. for Vasquez (who had a crappy year as well), Halsey (awfully similiar in value as Henn) and Dioneer Navarro (a decent prospect who I thought would be a starter by now, but not one of Hughes or Duncans caliber.)
I don't blame you. Most people don't have the ability to dream or reason. Then actually act on that impulse.
You are dreaming. That is the problem. This board is for serious discussion, not some 8 year old's video game fantasy. By your rationale, we should be able to get Pujols and Santana for Mussina and Phillips.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 04:10 PM
Famous quotes from A-Rod deal. More than a month before the deal actually happened.
knicksben
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There is no way the Rangers would even consider this. They wouldn't consider taking in Manny's contract which is less than ARod's and all those players you offer so why would this be significantly better for them?
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NO. I hope this proposal is just a joke.
11-06-03, 10:29 AM
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This is never gonna happen
VanHalen5150
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The Rangers want young pitchers for Arod, and the Yankees have no young pitchers to give up.
11-06-03, 07:39 PM
pacewon
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That proposed deal is insanely unrealistic.
11-06-03, 07:54 PM
yogibuck
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A couple of points
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who cares what the Rangers want? Young pitchers?
They have an out of control contract problem that only the Yankees can solve. NOBODY else would take it on.
If they don't take the deal, so be it. They can eat it for all I care. The Yanks go elsewhere.
11-07-03, 01:29 PM
mroctober
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Is this what they mean by Fantasy Baseball?
11-08-03, 03:04 PM
Bluesexy's daddy
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Any formula that ends in " = A-Rod to YANKEES" is bad math in my opinion.
You can complicate it with as much relativistic accelerated motion as you want to but even at the speed of light I don't want the back stabing little pr*ck on the YANKEES.
11-30-03, 06:08 PM
NDBoston
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btw
NO WAY Texas would pay 5-7million of ARods salary and take that bag of crap that is proposed.
That's just fantasyland
11-30-03, 06:09 PM
rightfielder21
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Quote:
Originally posted by JMAN74
Ah pray tell omniscient one what the 'package' would be.
Well why would they want all our crap? and still have to pay some of A-Rod's salary..
Well, in all honesty, these quotes are a little unfair as A-Rod was a true contract dump. But the point being, when a player demands to be traded, that leaves the team in a precarious position. One of NO leverage.
These are the times if you can act, you can get great value.
I don't know what the Orioles might want. All I know is that I haven't been impressed by what's been offered to them thus far (per the press).
Well, in all honesty, these quotes are a little unfair as A-Rod was a true contract dump. But the point being, when a player demands to be traded, that leaves the team in a precarious position. One of NO leverage.
These are the times if you can act, you can get great value.
I don't know what the Orioles might want. All I know is that I haven't been impressed by what's been offered to them thus far (per the press).
You think that because you thought A-Rod could be traded to the Yankees that makes your Tejada-Pavano proposal any less absurd? A-Rod was traded because he was owed a tremendous amount of money and we could send a cheap middle infielder back to Texas.
Pavano is not Soriano and he is not cheap. Tejada has a fairly reasonable contract around his neck, A-Rod did not. There is no salary-dump option here.
You are comparing apples and horseshoes.
Yankeeah
01-02-06, 04:15 PM
You should definetly clean that post up.
Anyway, why is this a thread? Miguel Tejada's contract isn't too bad. He's a great player both with the glove and with the bat. In this current market he is definetl worth 6/72. Comparing A-Rod's trade to a possible Pavano for Tejada trade is asinine. A-Rod was a straight up, 100% salary dump because Texas couldn't afford to keep him and get better. The Orioles can keep Tejada and get other players.
You said it. I can't believe their are fans out there that actually think of this stuff. They are living in a fantasy world.
Isn't this the fantasy team thread? oh, I thought it was. I was going to trade Pavano for Mazzone.
Seriously, we really should wait and see what Pavano does this season before we consider getting rid of him.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 04:26 PM
And the Randy Johnson trade.
yogibuck
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Do not give up on Johnson yet!
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lol.
As I mentioned before, nobody else will take on Randy's salary.
You watch. You trade rumor haters haven't heard the end of Randy Johnson yet.
And I love it. Nothing better than the hot stove league.
Makes it fun to be a Yankee fan since the Yanks are such players.
Ghost of Dan Pasqua
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Location: Northern New Jersey
Re: Trade Package Ideas
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I've pretty much accepted that the Yankees will deal for someone, though I think it is uneccessary. Assuming this is the case, what would your trade package look like?
Here's mine:
For Randy Johnson I would give up Eric Duncan, and AZ's choice of 3 players from a group that includes Alex Graman, Brad Halsey, Sean Henn, Tiger Wang, Bronson Sardinha, and Rudy Guillen.
For anybody else (I'm thinking of the Russ Ortiz' of the world) I would give up that team's choice of 2 of the above mentioned group.
And after Garragiolla stops laughing, he'll look at Cashman and tell him to include Navarro, Cano, and a pitcher or Duncan, or the Unit goes to Boston or Anahiem. And who knows if that is even enough.
JeffWeaverFan
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Location: NYC and Nashville
RJ would cost us more than what we have, which is why we should just stop thinking about him. Boston, by the way, also doesn't have the prospects to get him. He would cost us the farm which would be an idiotic trade on our part.
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My 2 cents.
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I've come to the conclusion that RJ's cost is prohibitive and even with him no WS title is guaranteed.
Evil Empire
01-02-06, 04:28 PM
Then we should trade Wright for Kaz and Small and Duncan for Nomar.
Yankeeah
01-02-06, 04:31 PM
Those Randy Johnson posts are about 4-5 years old
Sierra Mist
01-02-06, 04:31 PM
there is no way B-More would make that trade
yogibuck
01-02-06, 04:37 PM
Those Randy Johnson posts are about 4-5 years old
Nope, from 2004
Yankeeah
01-02-06, 04:39 PM
Nope, from 2004
My apologies, I read their join date as the posting date.
Reguardless, I said it before, and here it is again.
Anyway, why is this a thread? Miguel Tejada's contract isn't too bad. He's a great player both with the glove and with the bat. In this current market he is definetl worth 6/72. Comparing A-Rod's trade to a possible Pavano for Tejada trade is asinine. A-Rod was a straight up, 100% salary dump because Texas couldn't afford to keep him and get better. The Orioles can keep Tejada and get other players.
keithf1
01-02-06, 04:40 PM
Please stop.
Please.
^^^^^^^^^^
It's beginning to hurt.
yogibuck
01-02-06, 04:43 PM
You think that because you thought A-Rod could be traded to the Yankees that makes your Tejada-Pavano proposal any less absurd? A-Rod was traded because he was owed a tremendous amount of money and we could send a cheap middle infielder back to Texas.
Pavano is not Soriano and he is not cheap. Tejada has a fairly reasonable contract around his neck, A-Rod did not. There is no salary-dump option here.
You are comparing apples and horseshoes.
No, I bring it up because anything is possible. We traded some talent, but got A-rod AND $67 some odd million. I think Soriano made $5.4 M and $7.5 M in his two years at Texas, so he was CHEAPER than some, but still pretty expensive for a 2B.
Tejada is wanting a trade. Baltimore has no leverage. Other than NOT making a trade, which isn't good for Balt or Tejada. You guys bitch about teams trading players for what doesn't seem like great value to other teams all the time. But you can't imagine it happening for the Yankees like it did in the A-Rod deal.
I said I would trade Pavano and include Cano and a prospect other than Hughes/Tabata/Duncan/Clippard/Henry. I would include as many middling prospects as Baltimore asked for within reason, as they have little value for a team like the Yankees.
I just don't think many of you understand value. Especially how it relates to pressure and leverage.
Dynasties R Forever
01-02-06, 04:46 PM
lol. Miguel is short at 5'7-5'9 and his body may be more suited for 2b anyhow.
Baltimore, despite their dislike for injury plagued players made a big push for Pavano last year before we signed him.
Maybe he would still interest them. Tejada has $54M left on a 4-year deal. Pavano has 3 years and $31M left. Yanks might have to throw in a prospect, but I wouldn't do Hughes. I'd do a secondary prospect or two such as Henn, Desalvo, etc. or nothing.
But it seems they have been talking about Manny and Clement for Tejada. I've seen Marte's name mentioned as well. But in my mind Pavano projects much better than Clement. Manny is a throwin (salary dump) as he's been placed on waivers every year where any team could have had him for the price of his contract. It is just to big. Although Balt's mgt could sooth its fans by bringing in Manny.
Orioles | Offer Made To Pavano
Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:30:37 -0800
The Baltimore Sun's Joe Christensen reports an offer has been made to free-agent SP Carl Pavano by the Baltimore Orioles, although the length and financial terms of the contract were not disclosed.
Orioles | Pavano Stops In Baltimore
Mon, 6 Dec 2004 01:03:24 -0800
Updating an ongoing story, The Baltimore Sun's Roch Kubatko reports free-agent SP Carl Pavano visited the Baltimore Orioles Sunday, Dec. 5, having dinner with the Orioles' front-office staff. "They're great people," agent Scott Shapiro said. "Everybody's taking the time to give us an opportunity to meet with them. They're very accommodating. It's a special group of guys. There was a lot of really positive energy. What's not to like?"
I know alot of you guys and gals are anti-the all SS team. But they are generally the most athletic player on the field. Baltimore wouldn't want Cano, but we could use him as quite a trading chip to secure whatever else we wanted.
I'm generally against trading SP away for non-SP's but there is an exception to every rule. And a player of Tejada's ability is one of them.
I would think Tejada might make the move as he wants to play for a winner. In the manner that A-Rod did. Not to mention, he made 22 errors at SS last year. As he ages, he will likely be moved elsewhere anyhow as his BEST season was 19 errors. So he isn't going to win any gold gloves. I'd be curious to know how many of those were throwing. If moved to second, that could improve.
If he's not interested, nothing lost. If he is, I love sticking it to the Redsox. If nothing else, we might be able to drive up the price the Sox would have to pay.
Hell, I'll even let Jaret Wright go in the deal. It's the least we could do. Help our brothers to the south out. Proctor and Henn too. Pavano, Wright, Proctor, and Henn. It'll revamp their whole staff!!! Quite the pitching haul for the O's... :-whistle-
Mattpat11
01-02-06, 04:56 PM
Isn't this the fantasy team thread? oh, I thought it was. I was going to trade Pavano for Mazzone.
Seriously, we really should wait and see what Pavano does this season before we consider getting rid of him.Pavano's value is never going to be higher. We should dump him for someone while someone still wants him.
Not Tejada though
surge511
01-02-06, 04:57 PM
This thread is absolutely rediculous, and I won't even bother adding my opinions on it.
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__starr69
01-02-06, 04:57 PM
I'm generally against trading SP away for non-SP's but there is an exception to every rule. And a player of Tejada's ability is one of them.
I would think Tejada might make the move as he wants to play for a winner. In the manner that A-Rod did. Not to mention, he made 22 errors at SS last year. As he ages, he will likely be moved elsewhere anyhow as his BEST season was 19 errors. So he isn't going to win any gold gloves. I'd be curious to know how many of those were throwing. If moved to second, that could improve.
Why would we pay Miguel Tejada to do what we can pay Robinson Cano to do?
If he made 22 errors at SS last year, how many would he make at 2B?
montrealer
01-02-06, 04:58 PM
Anyone hear clown music when reading the first post?
With all the above players mentioned trying to fit in VW beetle. ;)
Mr. Mxylsplk
01-02-06, 05:00 PM
Why would we trade Pavano for Tejada when we could trade him for Pujols and Carpenter. Sheesh.
NYYBombshell
01-02-06, 05:03 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen.............I now direct your attention to center stage for a command performance of the world-renowned Dancing Locks!
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NewEraYanks2527
01-02-06, 05:09 PM
We really need a "shaking my head in disbelief this is actually a thread" smiley.
DiMaggio5CF
01-02-06, 05:09 PM
Why would we trade Pavano for Tejada when we could trade him for Pujols and Carpenter. Sheesh.
Brilliant!
I'll do this trade but I need angelos to give me box seats to the 19 Yankee games
ring403
01-02-06, 05:18 PM
I think we've gotten all we can out of this discussion. Let's not spoil the memory of all the good times by lingering too long. :)
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