View Full Version : Abreu for Sheffield??????
Read on another site of a rumor that the yankees are interested in trading shef plus a possible pitcher for abreu. Anyone else hear or read about any rumors like this.
Would you do it.
Evil Empire
12-28-05, 06:29 PM
Logically, it makes sense because of Age and talent, but I like Sheff and his production so I don't know. I'd rather trade Pavano for Abreu.
chanman7483
12-28-05, 06:30 PM
Logically, it makes sense because of Age and talent, but I like Sheff and his production so I don't know. I'd rather trade Pavano for Abreu.
Not sure exactly why Philly would do this or even look at Sheff when they already have Abreau.
Casey37
12-28-05, 06:30 PM
Would you do it.
No I would not. Sheff's doing just fine, thank you very much.
Logically, it makes sense because of Age and talent, but I like Sheff and his production so I don't know. I'd rather trade Pavano for Abreu.
Hey. :mad: ;)
Can't see doing it straight across. A pitcher (Wright) + a prospect would be worth it, though. Shef to DH
Evil Empire
12-28-05, 06:31 PM
Not sure exactly why Philly would do this or even look at Sheff when they already have Abreau.
Yeah, unless they had a prospect who's going to be better than Abreu, I don't know why they would.
JamieMadrox
12-28-05, 06:32 PM
why would philly do this? can we see a link of any kind?
JeffWeaverFan
12-28-05, 06:34 PM
It's an interesting idea. I would strongly consider it. They are pretty equal offensive players and neither are good defensive players (I have no idea how Abreu won a GG this year). I guess it depends on if you believe that Sheff will continue his BA/RISP.
JeffWeaverFan
12-28-05, 06:35 PM
I'd rather trade Pavano for Abreu.
As would I. I don't think Philly would like that deal very much though.
Evil Empire
12-28-05, 06:36 PM
It's an interesting idea. I would strongly consider it. They are pretty equal offensive players and neither are good defensive players (I have no idea how Abreu won a GG this year). I guess it depends on if you believe that Sheff will continue his BA/RISP.
Abreu's better than Sheff, defensivley, no?
Winfield31
12-28-05, 06:38 PM
Sheff isnt going anyhere...he made it clear that he wont stand for being traded, what team in their right mind would want someone with that attitude?
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news&id=3207221
ring403
12-28-05, 06:46 PM
I think we've been down this road before. This is just the latest incarnation of the Abreu to the Yankees internet rumor. I seriously doubt that there is a lick of truth to any of it.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=91282
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=91463
shutout
12-28-05, 06:46 PM
Sheffield is still one of those players / hitters that is able to come through in important situations.
That being said: Abreu would be a sweeet edition to the Yankees...
WebsterMulligan
12-28-05, 06:48 PM
I would do it, in a New York minute.
keithf1
12-28-05, 06:53 PM
I would be disappointed to say the least if Sheff was traded.
YankeeFan1
12-28-05, 06:54 PM
I bet the Yankees would do this trade, but why one earth would the Phillies? Why would they want a player who has threatened to make it difficult for any team that trades for him?
yankeesrule2000
12-28-05, 06:55 PM
why does everyone want to trade sheff so bad? He has been great for the yankees.
JeffWeaverFan
12-28-05, 06:56 PM
Abreu's better than Sheff, defensivley, no?
I would think so. But statistically, Abreu had a worse RAA (Runs against average) than Sheff by about a run last year. I've heard that Abreu is pretty bad defensively so that isn't much of a surprise I guess.
EDIT: -12.6 to -8.4 last season in favor of Sheff for RAA.
DiMaggio5CF
12-28-05, 07:03 PM
Five years younger, better defense, not as many homeruns, higher career Avg, higher career OBP, better Avg and OBP in three of the last four seasons, 20-30 SB guy.
Done deal.
The only thing that would really blow is more strikeouts. But that left-handed swing in Yankee Stadium would probably result in a few more dingers.
They're pretty comparable for 2006, so a pitcher from the Yanks would even the age/longevity issue.
I'd do it in a second.
DiMaggio5CF
12-28-05, 07:04 PM
why does everyone want to trade sheff so bad? He has been great for the yankees.
He's 37 and in the last year of his contract.
He'll be gone at the end of the season, and we'll need a new RF.
If we trade him for Abreu, that problem is solved for the future without losing much of anything for this year.
AMYanks
12-28-05, 07:06 PM
I'll take Sheffield's expiring contract instead of having to pay Abreu $28M over the next two years.
nnysiny
12-28-05, 07:08 PM
i would love for this to happen, but it wont
DiMaggio5CF
12-28-05, 07:10 PM
I'll take Sheffield's expiring contract instead of having to pay Abreu $28M over the next two years.
Wow. Okay. Any particular reason why?
AMYanks
12-28-05, 07:13 PM
Wow. Okay. Any particular reason why?
Sheffield ($13M, expiring contract) and a pitcher is too much for Abreu ($28M over two years, followed by an option year). Maybe if the Phillies took on Wright and his contract, or paid $15M of Abreu's salary to balance it out.
why does everyone want to trade sheff so bad? He has been great for the yankees.
It's not that people are extremely desperate to get rid of Sheff the hitter, it's that his contract and skills make him the best trading chip available.
Sheffield ($13M, expiring contract) and a pitcher is too much for Abreu ($28M over two years, followed by an option year). Maybe if the Phillies took on Wright and his contract, or paid $15M of Abreu's salary to balance it out.
Abreu's contract is the reason Philly would ever consider the deal.
The Comic Book Guy
12-28-05, 07:17 PM
The Phillies want pitching for Abreu. That's why they (reportedly) turned down the straight up deal for Manny.
Living in Philly, I've seen Bobby play a lot. He's a very good hitter, but he's also really quite bad in the field. He's got a very good arm, but very limited range. In addition, he doesn't perform particularely well in pressure situations. He's notorious in Philly for coming up short in the clutch.
I'd pass on this deal.
surge511
12-28-05, 07:37 PM
why does everyone want to trade sheff so bad? He has been great for the yankees.
Because he's 38 and will start complaining for a new contract soon. I would see how he's doing at the allstar break, and then decide to pick up his option or go somewhere else in the offseason. I could live with another year of him at RF, but if Duncan isn't ready in 2007, Sheff would make a great DH. Either way, Sheff could be very valuable to the team in 2007 at 13 million dollars.
ICEBERG18
12-28-05, 07:49 PM
I don't even think this has any basis to it.
vegematarian
12-28-05, 07:51 PM
I, too, would rather see Pavano or Wright + someone else for Abreu rather than Sheffield. I know Sheff is older but I still like his bat ALOT.
It would be nice if Sheff became DH.
Michaels07
12-28-05, 08:12 PM
Read on another site of a rumor that the yankees are interested in trading shef plus a possible pitcher for abreu. Anyone else hear or read about any rumors like this.
Would you do it.
Made up story to generate some buzz. The Phillies would want a younger player included in any proposed deal.
I, too, would rather see Pavano or Wright + someone else for Abreu rather than Sheffield. I know Sheff is older but I still like his bat ALOT.
It would be nice if Sheff became DH.
I think everyone here would like that, but no way the Phillies do that.
I think trading Sheff takes out the attitude that started last year with this team. At some point, we need to let these guys gel as a team and play as a team, we can't upgrade forever.
ryanthe13th
12-28-05, 10:48 PM
I need to start a campaign similar to a Save the Whales foundation, except have it be a Save the Sheff foundation.
diehardyankeefan
12-28-05, 10:51 PM
I think Abreu is a good player, but we don't need him. Our batting lineup is set.
why does everyone want to trade sheff so bad? He has been great for the yankees.
He's a great offensive player. But he has an attitude to go with his big mouth.
ryanthe13th
12-28-05, 11:08 PM
He's a great offensive player. But he has an attitude to go with his big mouth.
Because he says the things other people won't say? The only thing that he said that was inaccurate this year was that he was the main thing teams needed to shutdown in 2005.
Because he says the things other people won't say? The only thing that he said that was inaccurate this year was that he was the main thing teams needed to shutdown in 2005.
What about the things he said that was tape recorded by the reporter but denied ever saying?
Nuke LaLoosh
12-28-05, 11:57 PM
No steroid pun intended here, I think Sheff could be like Barry Bonds, hitting tons of homers and for average well into his 40s.
He has a great eye and a swing that might even be improved by slowing down a beat. How many laser-beams did he rip foul down the third base line that wold be extra base hits if the were in play?
I guess I am saying, I would like Sheff to remain a Yankee in RF or as DH.
Sheff_Rod
12-29-05, 12:06 AM
Abreu's better than Sheff, defensivley, no?
I would think most OF'ers are better than Sheff, the guy can barely move (above avg. arm still) and is still catching the ball the way he did in '04. He would make the perfect DH. If the Yankees are gonna make any trades they should look more into getting pitching/defense in return, they have more than enough bats.
destiNY
12-29-05, 01:36 AM
Read on another site of a rumor that the yankees are interested in trading shef plus a possible pitcher for abreu. Anyone else hear or read about any rumors like this.
Would you do it.
It depends on what pitcher, are we talking Jaret Wright/Small or Pavano/Hughes type deal with Sheffield. I'm worried about Sheff's defense in '06, he rarely makes plays out there in Right. I would do the 1st set of either pitcher and Sheff but not the second set with Sheff. Interesting rumor though...Is there any proof of this being discussed? :link:
destiNY
12-29-05, 01:40 AM
why does everyone want to trade sheff so bad? He has been great for the yankees.
Great Signia on Rutgers, I don't know if you saw Carlin on with Mike and the wuss dog but Carlin showed those 2 clowns by telling Chris that yelling is not a subsitute for reason and that Rutgers would show a great game, while the clowns told him Rutgers would get crushed. Good job Carlin, and great game Rutgers...
jackson_23
12-29-05, 06:44 AM
while you at it lets DH bonds :o
Dynasties R Forever
12-29-05, 08:10 AM
I bet the Yankees would do this trade, but why one earth would the Phillies? Why would they want a player who has threatened to make it difficult for any team that trades for him?
Contract year for Sheff in a hitters park, he will put up monster numbers. I guarantee it. (No money back) Don't know if Phillies will pay to keep him. Just saying his attitude for this year at least won't get in the way of production.
Dynasties R Forever
12-29-05, 08:15 AM
No steroid pun intended here, I think Sheff could be like Barry Bonds, hitting tons of homers and for average well into his 40s.
He has a great eye and a swing that might even be improved by slowing down a beat. How many laser-beams did he rip foul down the third base line that wold be extra base hits if the were in play?
I guess I am saying, I would like Sheff to remain a Yankee in RF or as DH.
I wish he would slow down a notch myself. What a violent swing he has. Looks to me like he would have a lot more control if he slowed down a bit.
Mr. Mxylsplk
12-29-05, 09:45 AM
No steroid pun intended here, I think Sheff could be like Barry Bonds, hitting tons of homers and for average well into his 40s.
He certainly isn't aging the way Bonds did. Where Bonds was actually improving in his mid 30's, Sheffield has declined two seasons in a row, and lost over 100 points of ops from age 34 to age 36. Two years isn't necessarily an irreversible trend, but guys declining in their mid 30's rarely stop declining.
The FUTURE
12-29-05, 09:52 AM
I think we should focus on getting a guy like michaels instead of a guy like abreu. First of all michaels would be cheaper and 2nd of all we dont need another big bat in the lineup. Michaels would be the perfect guy to be our 4th outfielder/RF to let sheff DH.
MTYankee23
12-29-05, 09:59 AM
I think we should focus on getting a guy like michaels instead of a guy like abreu. First of all michaels would be cheaper and 2nd of all we dont need another big bat in the lineup. Michaels would be the perfect guy to be our 4th outfielder/RF to let sheff DH.
Wonder if we'd be able to get Michaels and some sort of good prospect for Pavano. Too much wishful thinking?
iWant27
12-29-05, 11:41 AM
If I were Cashman , I wouldn't trade Sheff , I would rather have Sheff as DH . Sheff as DH could be as devastating as Ortiz . Cashman should go for another RF who is very good defensively and average offensively . That way they won't have trade big names . I hope yankees don't trade Pavano or any other pitcher . Last year yankees needed all of them . This year it may happen too . There are always injuries and getting a good SP is not only difficult but almost impossible . I would really love to have Sheff as DH . Or if not Sheff , may be Piazza who can share catching responsibilites with Posada and also DH .
Hitman23
12-29-05, 12:07 PM
:lol: I love reading these things.
This would get rejected in fantasy baseball.
StatenIslandYankee
12-29-05, 02:08 PM
Where do I sign for it?
DontHateOnNumber2
12-29-05, 02:31 PM
I'm content with Sheff, and if we keep getting guys with huge, long term deals then our prospects will never see the light of day and probably flourish with another team. I'll stick with Gary.
nnysiny
12-29-05, 02:45 PM
what OF prospects do you speak of? Melky? theres always the DH position
ryanthe13th
12-29-05, 03:21 PM
What about the things he said that was tape recorded by the reporter but denied ever saying?
Refresh my memory on what those were? I stated before that I see nothing wrong with what Sheffield said other than that he was what opposing teams looked to stop when the Yankees came to town or when they came to face the Yankees.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-29-05, 06:26 PM
Then what do I do with my Sheffield jersey?
ryanthe13th
12-29-05, 07:46 PM
Then what do I do with my Sheffield jersey?
The same thing you did with your Javy jersey(assuming you have one)
Refresh my memory on what those were? I stated before that I see nothing wrong with what Sheffield said other than that he was what opposing teams looked to stop when the Yankees came to town or when they came to face the Yankees.
It's what he said and denied, the whole "I'm the fearless leader of the Yankees not Jeter or A-Rod schtick". You can find it on the web.
I don't care if you don't see nothing wrong with him, It's what he did wrong.
Anyway, I'm not going to continue derailing this thread.
ryanthe13th
12-30-05, 12:38 AM
You're telling me that Sheffield wasn't one of the leaders for the Yankees in 2005?
JeffWeaverFan
12-30-05, 12:44 AM
Then what do I do with my Sheffield jersey?
Yep, I have the same problem. Stupid buy anyways.
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-30-05, 09:39 AM
I would think most OF'ers are better than Sheff, the guy can barely move (above avg. arm still) and is still catching the ball the way he did in '04. He would make the perfect DH. If the Yankees are gonna make any trades they should look more into getting pitching/defense in return, they have more than enough bats.
The thing is we dont want to create a black hole to replace a black hole so to speak. If we were able to replace Sheff with a solid hitter and defender in right than I would be all for trading him for a good pitcher. If its crosby in right I would not want any part of it. As it stands we have one black hole in the line up(Bernie) which doesnt really matter but you want to limit them as much as possible.
38Special
12-30-05, 09:49 AM
Pavano Sheffield for Abreu Michaels
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-30-05, 09:58 AM
If I were Cashman , I wouldn't trade Sheff , I would rather have Sheff as DH . Sheff as DH could be as devastating as Ortiz . Cashman should go for another RF who is very good defensively and average offensively . That way they won't have trade big names . I hope yankees don't trade Pavano or any other pitcher . Last year yankees needed all of them . This year it may happen too . There are always injuries and getting a good SP is not only difficult but almost impossible . I would really love to have Sheff as DH . Or if not Sheff , may be Piazza who can share catching responsibilites with Posada and also DH .
Pavano is a terrible SP, I hope Cashman robs somebody blind for him
ryanthe13th
12-30-05, 10:10 PM
Pavano Sheffield for Abreu Michaels
Keep dreaming.
You're telling me that Sheffield wasn't one of the leaders for the Yankees in 2005?
Come on, everybody knows JETER is the true LEADER of the Yankees. That doesn't even have to be said. To say otherwise is a futile endeavor
Stupid Flanders
12-31-05, 03:27 AM
Would Yuo Guyz Trade Sheff For Migel Cabrera???
keithf1
12-31-05, 12:36 PM
Would Yuo Guyz Trade Sheff For Migel Cabrera???
lol:D
ryanthe13th
12-31-05, 02:46 PM
Come on, everybody knows JETER is the true LEADER of the Yankees. That doesn't even have to be said. To say otherwise is a futile endeavor
Only one guy can lead a team?
ring403
01-01-06, 11:15 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/60755.htm
Under the radar, the Phillies are still shopping Bobby Abreu for pitching.
longtimeyankeefan
01-01-06, 11:18 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/60755.htm
Under the radar, the Phillies are still shopping Bobby Abreu for pitching.
Well, since Sheff has never been know for toeing the rubber, I think we can :-padlock-this puppy.
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-01-06, 04:04 PM
Well, since Sheff has never been know for toeing the rubber, I think we can :-padlock-this puppy.
WTF does toeing the rubber mean? Anyway, if we can get Abreu for Pavano, Small, and prospect or so, it would make our offense and defense unbelievable...
Mr. Mxylsplk
01-01-06, 07:37 PM
WTF does toeing the rubber mean?
Pitching.
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-01-06, 07:41 PM
Pitching.
Ohhhh, I get it... :o
BombersBlvd
01-01-06, 10:42 PM
why does everyone want to trade sheff so bad? He has been great for the yankees.
Exactly.
Exactly.
1. He doesn't have a no trade clause.
2. He could get something in return.
3. He's declined for 2 straight years (OBP, SLG, ISO, SEC are all trending down) and is 37
4. He is a defensive liability.
5. He is prone to, yet to his credit has played through, injuries for the last few years.
I'm not saying you have to trade him, but there are reasons to do it if the deal makes sense.
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