View Full Version : Yankees Most Verstaile Hitter: Jeter
NYYRoadFan
12-23-05, 11:15 PM
Sort of a statement and a question to all. I think DJ is the most versatile hitter on this team. He can bat 1-9 and adjust to each particular spot.
I think the second most versatile might just be Cano, or maybe he is a season or two away from that. Needs more patience.
That being said, I think DJ shoudl definetely bat second. Has more pop than Damon, a bit of a better eye (which I'm sure might justify him in the leadoff spot) and having seen him play so often...hits behing runners well.
Any thoughts?
WebsterMulligan
12-23-05, 11:22 PM
Jeter is not a bopper, so it would be very unlikely that he would bat in the 3-4-5 spots.
ring403
12-23-05, 11:26 PM
Alex Rodriguez is not only the most versitile hitter on the team, but probably the most versitile all around player in the league. He hits for power, hits for average, gets on base, runs well, and plays great defense (at 2 positions) on top of it all.
I don't quite understand what you're trying to get across. Jeter is a decent leadoff guy but is better suited for batting 2nd in this lineup. Anywhere else and Jeter just does not fit in right. 1-2 ok, but 3-9 is ridiculous. Especially when Jeter is no type of slugger at all. I think you might be meaning to point out that DJ is just one pretty good hitter with them "intangibles" we keep hearing about. He isn't however, the most "versatile" player on the Yanks or whatever that means.
Something cool about Jeter.... In the last 3 years:
Batting 1st: .307/.380/.478 (988 ABs)
Batting 2nd: .307/.378/.438 (648 ABs)
He's so darn consistent. Not much of a difference...
That's what I love about Jeter's offensive game. He's reliable.
Look at his stats when he was behind Knoblaugh.
AMYanks
12-24-05, 12:41 AM
A-Rod is more versatile. Just sayin'.
NYYBombshell
12-24-05, 12:42 AM
Alex Rodriguez is not only the most versitile hitter on the team, but probably the most versitile all around player in the league. He hits for power, hits for average, gets on base, runs well, and plays great defense (at 2 positions) on top of it all.
That about sums it up.
Jetfanmack
12-24-05, 12:44 AM
What do you mean by most versatile? Any good hitter with speed can adjust to any spot in the order. Jeter gets on base and is fast enough to bat 1st or 2nd, he handles the bat well enough, he has enough power (although that may be a stretch) to bat 3rd-6th, and he's certainly good enough to bat 7th-9th. Same with A-Rod, same with Sheffield. Giambi and Matsui might not be fast enough to bat leadoff, but Matsui could probably bat 2nd. Cano doesn't walk enough to bad leadoff, but he could go anywhere else.
Quite frankly, where you bat in an order is overrated because it changes every inning.
It's going to be interesting to see how they adjust to pitching to Jeter. Now he will have a man on first a lot. They usually pitch him outside. Now i don't think they will want to give him outside pitches with a fast runner on 1st. Will the pitchers be able to adjust" Will Jeter be able to adjust to more pitches over the plate?This will be very interesting! If they do stay outside on him we will see a lot of hit and run.
It's going to be interesting to see how they adjust to pitching to Jeter. Now he will have a man on first a lot. They usually pitch him outside. Now i don't think they will want to give him outside pitches with a fast runner on 1st. Will the pitchers be able to adjust" Will Jeter be able to adjust to more pitches over the plate?This will be very interesting! If they do stay outside on him we will see a lot of hit and run.
Jeter gets pitched outside? He gets jammed in to counter his propensity to take it the other way. I'd always hoped that he would try to adjust to that and at least try to pull very pullable pitchers. This is how he turned around his 2004 season, but he reverted last year.
shutout
12-24-05, 11:53 AM
I must say Jeter is probably, and has always been, my favorite Yankee (yeahyeah I'm something like ... 6-8 years a Yankee fan). One of his great benefits is his adjustable offense: he's able to do anything: ask and you shall receive.
When we compare him to Arod; one thing jumps out: Arod is someone who really has everything: Jeter is much less a powerhitter / slugger than Arod is.
Therefor: Arod is more 'versatile'. Jeter is a great 2nd tho.
Sort of a statement and a question to all. I think DJ is the most versatile hitter on this team. He can bat 1-9 and adjust to each particular spot.
I think the second most versatile might just be Cano, or maybe he is a season or two away from that. Needs more patience.
That being said, I think DJ shoudl definetely bat second. Has more pop than Damon, a bit of a better eye (which I'm sure might justify him in the leadoff spot) and having seen him play so often...hits behing runners well.
Any thoughts?
I agree. For some time now he has been the most versatile hitter on the team. He can do it all.
YankeeClemens22
12-24-05, 12:24 PM
It's going to be interesting to see how they adjust to pitching to Jeter. Now he will have a man on first a lot. They usually pitch him outside. Now i don't think they will want to give him outside pitches with a fast runner on 1st. Will the pitchers be able to adjust" Will Jeter be able to adjust to more pitches over the plate?This will be very interesting! If they do stay outside on him we will see a lot of hit and run.
Jeter will get lots of pitches to hit. Nobody will want to put him on base (making 2 men on many times) with ARod, Sheff, and Giambi taking swings behind him.
2 on, nobody out to start a game for the Yankees should mean a great opportunity to take a big lead early.
Jeter will get lots of pitches to hit. Nobody will want to put him on base (making 2 men on many times) with ARod, Sheff, and Giambi taking swings behind him.
2 on, nobody out to start a game for the Yankees should mean a great opportunity to take a big lead early.
That is the point that i tried to make. It seems to me that he should see better pitches this year. Pitchers don't want him to go to rt field with speed on 1st. I remember an Expo team that had 2 speedsters at the top of the order and they drove pitchers crazy. They would throw to first 20 times and lose their concentration to the batter a lot.
That is the point that i tried to make. It seems to me that he should see better pitches this year. Pitchers don't want him to go to rt field with speed on 1st. I remember an Expo team that had 2 speedsters at the top of the order and they drove pitchers crazy. They would throw to first 20 times and lose their concentration to the batter a lot.
The Yankees aren't going to start stealing bases. Damon will likely run as often as he did in Boston. Beyond that, it's the same guys hitting behind Jeter as hit behind him last year. Even with a man on, I don't see why teams would stop pitching him the way they pitch him now, which is to pound him in.
keithf1
12-24-05, 03:27 PM
A-Rod is but Jeter is 2nd on the team. A-Rod can do everything Jeter can do but for more power. I'm not sure how A-Rod is as a bunter but that's the only thing I can think of. If you want to bring clutch hitting in to the picture, than that's a whole other argument :).
Soriambi
12-24-05, 03:41 PM
I think that Rodriguez is the most versitile hitter on the team. I don't think that Cano is anywhere close to being the second most versitile right now, though I hope that he improves in the coming years, mostly with his OBP. (And I think that there's a pretty good chance that he will, just because he's so young, and 2005 was his first year.)
Jeter Kid
12-24-05, 05:58 PM
Most verstaile is A-Rod. Jeter is a reliable hitter, but he couldn't bat 3rd,4th,5th. (what am I saying, have we seen him in this spot? same w/ a-rod) just assumptions. ;)
pedromartinezfan
12-24-05, 06:13 PM
Something cool about Jeter.... In the last 3 years:
Batting 1st: .307/.380/.478 (988 ABs)
Batting 2nd: .307/.378/.438 (648 ABs)
He's so darn consistent. Not much of a difference...That is a significant difference. Based on 1000 at-bats he created 182 runs batting leadoff, and 166 runs batting second.
keithf1
12-24-05, 06:51 PM
Most verstaile is A-Rod. Jeter is a reliable hitter, but he couldn't bat 3rd,4th,5th. (what am I saying, have we seen him in this spot? same w/ a-rod) just assumptions. ;)
Jeter has hit 3rd and 4th a few years back. I'm not sure about 5th though.
Crosby18
12-25-05, 09:49 AM
No question about this. The most versatile hitter on the yankees is Hideki Matsui. You ask him to get a hit in any situation and he will. Without a doubt is he more versatile than A-rod and Jeter. They are both great hitters and Jeter is clutch but you must give this title to Matsui.
shutout
12-25-05, 10:49 AM
No question about this. The most versatile hitter on the yankees is Hideki Matsui. You ask him to get a hit in any situation and he will. Without a doubt is he more versatile than A-rod and Jeter. They are both great hitters and Jeter is clutch but you must give this title to Matsui.
You múst be kidding about that man.
surge511
12-25-05, 09:52 PM
Quite frankly, where you bat in an order is overrated because it changes every inning.
That is exactly right. The only thing the order is good for is to have clusters of hitters that work well together. However, who bats leadoff or 5th or whatever really carries very little meaning in and of itself.
Alex Rodriguez is not only the most versitile hitter on the team, but probably the most versitile all around player in the league. He hits for power, hits for average, gets on base, runs well, and plays great defense (at 2 positions) on top of it all.
Agreed. He is still not in my top 3 fav current Yanks, though (which is no knock--he is obviously the best player in the game)
NYYRoadFan
01-01-06, 10:45 AM
Thanks for the feedback peeps.
Johnny O
01-01-06, 12:11 PM
Sort of a statement and a question to all. I think DJ is the most versatile hitter on this team. He can bat 1-9 and adjust to each particular spot.
I think the second most versatile might just be Cano, or maybe he is a season or two away from that. Needs more patience.
That being said, I think DJ shoudl definetely bat second. Has more pop than Damon, a bit of a better eye (which I'm sure might justify him in the leadoff spot) and having seen him play so often...hits behing runners well.
Any thoughts?
Regarding Cano, he does need to exhibit more patience and he has a platoon split (OPS vs RHP/LHP .824/.662), both of which limits his value.
shcabot
01-02-06, 07:32 PM
One word: A-Rod. Maybe besides a healthy Bonds, A-Rod is the BEST hitter in baseball. Perfect swing, hits for power and is truly gifted with a baseball bat.
Smithers
01-02-06, 08:19 PM
One word: A-Rod. Maybe besides a healthy Bonds, A-Rod is the BEST hitter in baseball. Perfect swing, hits for power and is truly gifted with a baseball bat.
albert pujols says hi.
but i do agree with those who say it doesn't matter where you bat, because it doesnt. bill mueller hit 8th when he won the batting title for boston.
As much as I don't hate A-Rod, I don't consider him the best hitter. He allows things to get to him mentally; perhaps the downside of that contract is he puts too much pressure on himself in an already pressure pack situation. In my humble opinion, Pujols as stated above is a better hitter than Alex
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-02-06, 10:14 PM
Overall career numbers in terms of hitting favors Pujols, but A-Rod is overall the best "player" in baseball (which includes defense, baserunning, ect..). I think it is a pretty hard comparison considering they play in completely different leagues...
keithf1
01-03-06, 12:01 AM
Barry Bonds should not be brought up in debate with legit players such as A-Rod and Pujols. I think Pujols is a better hitter at the moment but A-Rod is the better overall player. It could easily change, we know what Alex is capable of.
As much as I don't hate A-Rod, I don't consider him the best hitter. He allows things to get to him mentally; perhaps the downside of that contract is he puts too much pressure on himself in an already pressure pack situation. In my humble opinion, Pujols as stated above is a better hitter than Alex
Do you really think that Pujols has ever had the type of pressure that A-Rod gets in NY.
Hitman23
01-03-06, 11:56 AM
Quite frankly, where you bat in an order is overrated because it changes every inning.It's true it changes every inning. It's more about who you bat in front of that matters. So it really does matter. You want to get the guys who can get on base, that are fast and that know how to run bases up early. Get the guys who drive them in after. That's why you have the batting order. It does matter. You're not gonna bat Jeter 9th. You want him up as many times as possible with Sheff/A-rod following.
shutout
01-03-06, 12:30 PM
Pujols is, indeed, very good. He and Arod - best hitters in baseball.
StatenIslandYankee
01-03-06, 12:53 PM
A-Rod
rivera,s cutter
01-04-06, 02:27 PM
A-Rodi second that
BronxBombers2005
01-04-06, 02:51 PM
I strongly agree, A-rod is the best hitter in baseball. and when he gets done he will own the records that H. Aaron has now. Now i do think that Pujols is another good baseball player, but by far A-rod best hitter in baseball.
Jeter Kid
01-04-06, 04:19 PM
Jeter has hit 3rd and 4th a few years back. I'm not sure about 5th though.
Oh yeah, I remember that. It's not like he could be an everyday player at that slot in the lineup though.
I strongly agree, A-rod is the best hitter in baseball. and when he gets done he will own the records that H. Aaron has now. Now i do think that Pujols is another good baseball player, but by far A-rod best hitter in baseball.
What? Wait, WHAT?
Yankees Most Unversatile Hitter: Probably Randy Johnson. His swing is painful to watch and he doesn't adapt well to the 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, or 8 spots in the lineup. Reminds me of Marcus Camby shooting free throws, creakier than Strom Thurmond.
keithf1
01-04-06, 07:53 PM
Oh yeah, I remember that. It's not like he could be an everyday player at that slot in the lineup though.
Not in this lineup at least. He could be a #3 on lots of teams IMO. He chooses his hitting approach. Especially the year he was hitting #3 and #4 for the Yankees (1999). It was his best power year by far.
NJASDJDH
01-04-06, 08:24 PM
Not in this lineup at least. He could be a #3 on lots of teams IMO. He chooses his hitting approach. Especially the year he was hitting #3 and #4 for the Yankees (1999). It was his best power year by far.
I don't think Jeter has chosen to be a worse hitter than he was in '98-'00 for the past owever many seasons. I think it just kind of happened.
YankeePride1967
01-04-06, 08:34 PM
I don't think Jeter has chosen to be a worse hitter than he was in '98-'00 for the past owever many seasons. I think it just kind of happened.
hey long time, no post!
keithf1
01-04-06, 08:36 PM
I don't think Jeter has chosen to be a worse hitter than he was in '98-'00 for the past owever many seasons. I think it just kind of happened.
I didn't mean worse. I meant he could hit for more power if he wanted but it would sacrifice other aspects of his game.
shcabot
01-04-06, 09:22 PM
If Jeter tried to hit for more power, there is no doubt that his average would suffer. That's how it is for a lot of players. For example, many say that Ichiro could hit 30+ home runs a season, but he would not have the high average that he usually has.
NJASDJDH
01-04-06, 09:49 PM
I didn't mean worse. I meant he could hit for more power if he wanted but it would sacrifice other aspects of his game.
I don't think your argument makes much sense since it was referring to times when Jeter did hit 3rd and 4th. In those times Jeter was just a better hitter, that's why he hit in those spots, not because he wanted to hit for power.
NJASDJDH
01-04-06, 09:50 PM
If Jeter tried to hit for more power, there is no doubt that his average would suffer. That's how it is for a lot of players. For example, many say that Ichiro could hit 30+ home runs a season, but he would not have the high average that he usually has.
I'm extremely skeptical of those tpes of evaluations.
NJASDJDH
01-04-06, 09:50 PM
hey long time, no post!
I've been posting here and there in Around the Minors, but not nearly as much as I used to in the old days.
I'm extremely skeptical of those tpes of evaluations.
Especially with Jeter. I think there are inside pitches that he turns into outs by trying to hit the other way a little too much. He'd probably hit them harder if he tried to pull some more of them.
shcabot
01-05-06, 07:00 AM
Good point.
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
01-05-06, 07:22 AM
Jeter is not a bopper, so it would be very unlikely that he would bat in the 3-4-5 spots.
I'm sure if he concentrated on hitting homers he could hit 30, so on the right team he could be a 3 or 4.
Arod for President
01-05-06, 09:26 AM
Id have to diagree and go with ARod on this one. Hes Versitile in every way. He can hit for power, he can hit for avg. hes the guy i want up there whether we need a deep bomb to left field or just a bloop single over the 2nd basemans head. hes the man.
stephsamps
01-05-06, 09:36 AM
If you said best hitter, I might go with AROD, but if you are talking versatile, Derek takes the cake. Its more than just hitting for average and HRs but being able to bunt, hit sac flies, move the runner over.
I agree that he could hit third (fourth is a bit of a stretch) and that he would respond to it. This lineup is just so stacked that there are other guys who are better suited for that role at this point.
BronxBombers2005
01-05-06, 10:41 AM
[QUOTE=Sam18]What? Wait, WHAT?[/QUOTE
Are you whating me on the fact that i said a-rod would own H. Aarons records when he gets done? I do think that he can past aaron in the hr and rbi.....when a-rod hit his 400 career HR the put some stats out that that showed compared Aarons stats and arods stats at the same age......Alex had more HRs and more RBI's and more hits than any other play at that age.....now if he stays healthy there is a great chance that he could have those records.
[QUOTE=Sam18]What? Wait, WHAT?[/QUOTE
Are you whating me on the fact that i said a-rod would own H. Aarons records when he gets done? I do think that he can past aaron in the hr and rbi.....when a-rod hit his 400 career HR the put some stats out that that showed compared Aarons stats and arods stats at the same age......Alex had more HRs and more RBI's and more hits than any other play at that age.....now if he stays healthy there is a great chance that he could have those records.
Logically i don't think that you can think otherwise.
Swearengen16
01-05-06, 02:36 PM
I agree about him being the most versatile hitter and I would probably give my second place vote to Sheff. The reason for that is he makes contact more often than any other Yankee. If you try and hit and run with Matsui, or A-Rod, and even Posada/Giambi you set yourself up for a strike em' out throw em' double play. One thing I noticed last year was how much Yankee hitters were taking a called strike three. I understand we used to work the count but we need to be more protective with two strikes.
DenverYank
01-06-06, 12:00 PM
I must say Jeter is probably, and has always been, my favorite Yankee (yeahyeah I'm something like ... 6-8 years a Yankee fan). One of his great benefits is his adjustable offense: he's able to do anything: ask and you shall receive.
When we compare him to Arod; one thing jumps out: Arod is someone who really has everything: Jeter is much less a powerhitter / slugger than Arod is.
Therefor: Arod is more 'versatile'. Jeter is a great 2nd tho.
Alex Rodriguez is not only the most versitile hitter on the team, but probably the most versitile all around player in the league. He hits for power, hits for average, gets on base, runs well, and plays great defense (at 2 positions) on top of it all.
That being said, Jeter is a close second although one should keep in mind that at the level of MLB play tiny differences matter a lot. Nobody has discussed Jeter's one great liability, viz. the inablility to take a first pitch.
ChewieTobbacca
01-06-06, 03:15 PM
Pujols is a far better pure hitter than A-Rod... last year was one of A-Rod's best years and it matched Pujols' year which was just average by his standards
Powered by vBulletin™ Version 4.0.7 Copyright © 2013 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.
0