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27IsNext
12-22-05, 07:38 PM
A day or two ago, someone posted a rumor from (I'd like to say) another message board about Pavano and Sturtze + a prospect to the Astros for Andy Pettitte. If it were for a B prospect (a la Melky or White), as opposed to a Duncan, Hughes, or Clippard, would you do this deal?
Personally, no, unless the Astros were going to pay a pretty healthy chunk of that $17.5 million he is due next season. He is a lefty though, and you can never under-estimate the value of a good lefty starting pitching in Yankee Stadium.
Jersey Yankee
12-22-05, 07:46 PM
He gave another team a hometown discount, even though he'd never played there once (unless HS or something).
Would he even consider leaving the comfort of playing near where he lives?
fredgmuggs
12-22-05, 07:56 PM
Wow, is he really in line to make $17.5 million next season? Good for Andy. And I thought only the Yankees threw that kind of money around.... at least that's what I've been lead to believe by ESPN. ;)
38Special
12-22-05, 07:57 PM
hahahaha no way. screw him
Casey37
12-22-05, 07:59 PM
I'm glad he's gonna make $17.5 million next season, but I'm even gladder the Yankees are not the ones paying for it. ;)
CTyankeefan
12-22-05, 08:04 PM
I'm glad he's gonna make $17.5 million next season, but I'm even gladder the Yankees are not the ones paying for it. ;)
Why? Pettite is worth it.
If AJ Brunett and carl Pavano can get 11 million a year, Pettite is wirht 17.5.
He is better than Moose, and Moose is getting 17.
Zimmers' Helmet
12-22-05, 08:07 PM
As long as the Astros are willing to eat at leat $5 million, I would jump on the opportunity to bring Andy back.
Throw Pettitte (and Rocket who would likely follow) in that rotation, and the Yankees become a team head and shoulders above any other in baseball.
Of course, the whole idea is a pipe dream unless:
A) Houston is really hard up for cash.
and
B) Pettitte wants to come back here.
Never say never ;)
CTyankeefan
12-22-05, 08:11 PM
As long as the Astros are willing to eat at leat $5 million, I would jump on the opportunity to bring Andy back.
Throw Pettitte (and Rocket who would likely follow) in that rotation, and the Yankees become a team head and shoulders above any other in baseball.
Of course, the whole idea is a pipe dream unless:
A) Houston is really hard up for cash.
and
B) Pettitte wants to come back here.
Never say never ;)
Talk about being greedy!
Yanks should get Pettie back in a heartbeat for that package. Astros shoudln't pay any money.
What is wrong with everyone. If they have a chance tog et pettite for two guys we don't want (Pavano, Sturtze) and a high level prospect (but not can't miss) like Duncan, that is a steal.
If I am the Yanks, I do this deal yesterday and don't ask for any money.
We are in the job of winning baseball games, not trying to find bvalue and bargains. The money difference is inconsequential.
Casey37
12-22-05, 08:18 PM
Why? Pettite is worth it.
If AJ Brunett and carl Pavano can get 11 million a year, Pettite is wirht 17.5.
He is better than Moose, and Moose is getting 17.
Sorry, Andy's not worth $17.5 million a year, no way, no how. $12 million, maybe.
IncredibleByNature
12-22-05, 08:19 PM
P-E-T-T-I-T-T-E
Ahem. :)
Evil Empire
12-22-05, 08:20 PM
P-E-T-T-I-T-T-E
Ahem. :)
u dont wanna sine petite?
the_coach
12-22-05, 08:23 PM
Thanks for everything Andy...but no thanks.
IncredibleByNature
12-22-05, 08:24 PM
u dont wanna sine petite?
:lol:
How does this guy Petite pitch? Is he better than Pettitte?
bakntime
12-22-05, 08:25 PM
Yanks should get Pettie back in a heartbeat for that package..Do we get the heartbreakers along with Tom? ;)
IncredibleByNature
12-22-05, 08:27 PM
Do we get the heartbreakers along with Tom? ;)
:lol: Took me a sec to get it, but :lol:
Evil Empire
12-22-05, 08:30 PM
Do we get the heartbreakers along with Tom? ;)
Dude, don't do me like that.
Zimmers' Helmet
12-22-05, 08:39 PM
Talk about being greedy!
Yanks should get Pettie back in a heartbeat for that package. Astros shoudln't pay any money.
What is wrong with everyone. If they have a chance tog et pettite for two guys we don't want (Pavano, Sturtze) and a high level prospect (but not can't miss) like Duncan, that is a steal.
If I am the Yanks, I do this deal yesterday and don't ask for any money.
We are in the job of winning baseball games, not trying to find bvalue and bargains. The money difference is inconsequential.
If a contract extension is not part of the deal, I would expect Houston to eat some money and here's why:
Pavano would rebound nicely pitching back in the N.L. and he's signed for 3 more years. We may underestimate the market for Sturtze; if we didn't we would realize that Sturtze is easily worth $4 million a year based on this years free agent market. Houston is actually getting excellent value for a pitcher making $17 million and headed into free agency.
Unless a contract extension for Andy could be worked out, I would view this deal as a 1 year rental. In order for the Yankees to take on Pettitte's entire contract, it would have to be contingent upon Andy signing an extension with the team in order to ensure that Pettitte doesn't run back to Houston and leave the Yankees with egg on their faces once his contract expires after the 2006 season.
I'd love to have Andy back too, but if I had to make that call, I'd have to block out emotions and make a smart calculated business decision.
keithf1
12-22-05, 08:42 PM
Pettitte's 2nd half numbers last year were RIDICULOUS. There was a long stretch where he was even better than Clemens. I miss him.
38Special
12-22-05, 08:44 PM
Pettitte's 2nd half numbers last year were RIDICULOUS. There was a long stretch where he was even better than Clemens. I miss him.
I sure hope we move to the NL Central soon.
AMYanks
12-22-05, 09:17 PM
Pavano + Melky for Pettitte. Nothing more. Since they will likely decline, no thanks.
Yankyfan
12-22-05, 09:18 PM
Remember that elbow? I would hate to pay 18 mill and have it go mid season.
yanksphan
12-22-05, 09:20 PM
Pavano + Melky for Pettitte. Nothing more. Since they will likely decline, no thanks.
That's WAY too much. Pettitte is due to make 17 or 18 million next year. If Pettitte is coming to New York, he better be accompanied by a check signed by Drayton McLane...
The Astros back loaded his contract. I remember seeing $5 mil his first yr. I would like to see him back but the Yanks can wait next year when he is a FA.
Yankyfan
12-22-05, 10:03 PM
He would proably sign with Texas.
grabick_luca
12-22-05, 10:06 PM
oh geez this thread is from a rumor that came from a message board. :uhh: I saw it and it's simply a RUMOR from a so called reputable person on another yankees board. It's one of those my brother told me that the yanks were thinking about pettite cause his co-workers friends uncle knows a guy who's dad works for the yankees :wtf:
here's the link see for yourself
http://btbfansite.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1135124833
Adny Pettitte could bring the Yankees a championship himself.
38Special
12-22-05, 10:12 PM
oh geez this thread is from a rumor that came from a message board. :uhh: I saw it and it's simply a RUMOR from a so called reputable person on another yankees board. It's one of those my brother told me that the yanks were thinking about pettite cause his co-workers friends uncle knows a guy who's dad works for the yankees :wtf:
here's the link see for yourself
http://btbfansite.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1135124833
Thanks. That settles that.
DandyAndy46
12-22-05, 10:30 PM
Enough with the Pettitte back to NYY stuff...he left, he's gone, let's move on...
Enough with the Pettitte back to NYY stuff...he left, he's gone, let's move on...
Just because you are apparently not a big Adnrew Petittte fan it doesn't mean the rest of us can't hope that the Yankee savior can come back.
DandyAndy46
12-22-05, 10:36 PM
Just because you are apparently not a big Adnrew Petittte fan it doesn't mean the rest of us can't hope that the Yankee savior can come back.
What are you talking about, I love Adyn Pettttttttttttitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttte
Aidan Quinn? What about Aidan Quinn?
WebsterMulligan
12-22-05, 10:44 PM
I wonder if Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh is still kicking around?
I hear he's got some serious sh*t.
flymick24
12-22-05, 11:32 PM
Aidan Quinn? What about Aidan Quinn?
what about dr. quinn?
27IsNext
12-22-05, 11:41 PM
oh geez this thread is from a rumor that came from a message board. :uhh: I saw it and it's simply a RUMOR from a so called reputable person on another yankees board. It's one of those my brother told me that the yanks were thinking about pettite cause his co-workers friends uncle knows a guy who's dad works for the yankees :wtf:
here's the link see for yourself
http://btbfansite.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1135124833
...THAT'S what this is based on?! :wtf:
Nevermind.
Kulish29
12-22-05, 11:42 PM
Wasnt the rumored trade on that site Duncan, Sturtze and Pavano for Pettite and Berkman?
38Special
12-22-05, 11:44 PM
Wasnt the rumored trade on that site Duncan, Sturtze and Pavano for Pettite and Berkman?
Which would never happen in a million zillion years
ANSKYcm
12-23-05, 12:40 AM
Why? Pettite is worth it.
If AJ Brunett and carl Pavano can get 11 million a year, Pettite is wirht 17.5.
He is better than Moose, and Moose is getting 17.
are you seriously using this as an argument? Moose has one of the worst contracts in baseball. Although he's still a good pitcher in my opinion, if we were paying him what he was worth, he would be getting about half of what we're giving him. I love Pettitte, but I wouldnt pay him more than 13 a year.
ANSKYcm
12-23-05, 12:43 AM
I think we should offer Pavano, Sturtze, Kevin Thompson, and Scott Proctor for Pettitte and 4 mil. This gets rid of Pavano, frees up the pitching jam, and gets Pettitte at 13 million next year.
Boricua21
12-23-05, 01:04 AM
As long as the Astros are willing to eat at leat $5 million, I would jump on the opportunity to bring Andy back.
Throw Pettitte (and Rocket who would likely follow) in that rotation, and the Yankees become a team head and shoulders above any other in baseball.
Of course, the whole idea is a pipe dream unless:
A) Houston is really hard up for cash.
and
B) Pettitte wants to come back here.
Never say never ;)
One could only wish my friend. I wouldn't mind seeing Andy back, but the Astros would have to show some love with that salary. I want to see The Rocket go at it with Schilling though. That would be great. There's unfinished business. I want to see Pavano gone. Any good bat boys out there that are good prospects? Pavano for a bat boy, straight-up.
ryanthe13th
12-23-05, 02:47 AM
Andy's wife won't approve of that.
NYYBombshell
12-23-05, 02:56 AM
Descriptive thread title, anyone?
Descriptive thread title, anyone?
When you read the thread title, what did you think he was gonna talk about?
This is the best line from the msg board rumor that started this all:
someone I know who knows someone that used to know someone told me that the Yankees have been working hard behind the scenes trying to trade for Andy Pettitte.
Huh?
CaptainThurman
12-23-05, 09:20 AM
Which would never happen in a million zillion years
Yeah, I was the original poster of the rumor from the other board. It was Pettitte for Sturtze and Pavano and a prospect, and then the speculation started. If the prospect was Duncan, the hopeful speculation would be that the Yankees got Berkman along with Pettitte.
Yeah, I was the original poster of the rumor from the other board. It was Pettitte for Sturtze and Pavano and a prospect, and then the speculation started. If the prospect was Duncan, the hopeful speculation would be that the Yankees got Berkman along with Pettitte.So you know someone who knows someone who used to know someone!
NelsonMuntz
12-23-05, 09:24 AM
I think it's been about 2 weeks since we've had the last "I wish we still had Pettitte" vs. "Pettitte's overrated and he chose to leave" debate. Good to see it picking up again.
Irabu's Son
12-23-05, 09:57 AM
hahahaha no way. screw him
Exactly. Eff him.
CaptainThurman
12-23-05, 12:54 PM
So you know someone who knows someone who used to know someone!
Not really....I visit message boards where posters claim to know someone who used to know someone! :D
Kulish29
12-23-05, 01:00 PM
Exactly. Eff him.
effdapettitte
YankeePride1967
12-23-05, 01:24 PM
Top 3 recurring threads
3.) We need Pettitte back/why did he leave/
2.) we should have signed Beltran
1.) was the RJ trade a wise one?
Kulish29
12-23-05, 01:29 PM
Top 3 recurring threads
3.) We need Pettitte back/why did he leave/
2.) we should have signed Beltran
1.) was the RJ trade a wise one?
I'd say the top reoccurring post is the Beltran non-signing.
YankeePride1967
12-23-05, 01:31 PM
I'd say the top reoccurring post is the Beltran non-signing.
I agree, I wasn't mentioning them really in order, in fact I think Pettitte is more recurring than RJ now.
bigguygonz
12-23-05, 01:32 PM
I think the Pettitte situation is a lot like the Damon situation in that our FO didn't try hard enough to keep him. I miss him and would take him back in a heartbeat. How much money have we thrown at unproven pitching since he's left? He's a gamer AND he can get it done here. That's worth 17 million to be. Especially if we're getting rid of 11 million, one-good season Carl Pavano.
Chairman-of-TheBoard
12-23-05, 03:23 PM
Not impressed. Pettitte left for a reason and I say let him stay in Houston. The tragedy would be that NY would have to part with Wang, Chacon and or Small. No thank you. Let Houston deal with the madness of $17.5 million per.
I agree, I wasn't mentioning them really in order, in fact I think Pettitte is more recurring than RJ now.
George King was telling me that Jeter may move to CF and ARod is moving to SS to make room for Joe Randa and Damon may learn 2B and he'll play there while Cano learns to switch hit and not make simple errors while thinking about non baseball crap while playing the field.
Evil Empire
12-23-05, 04:35 PM
When you read the thread title, what did you think he was gonna talk about?
Why, I don't know.
goin for 27
12-23-05, 09:52 PM
A lot of posts about a guy who has a full no trade clause.
If Pettitte wanted to pitch here, he never would have left. I highly doubt he waives his NTC to come back.
nyankegreg
12-23-05, 11:29 PM
Sorry, Andy's not worth $17.5 million a year, no way, no how. $12 million, maybe.
How is he not worth it? The guy is New York bred, and won 21 games for us a couple years ago. He has the mental make-up to pitch here, he helped us win 4 world series, he is finally healthy again, and for the second half of last seasom was arguably the best pitcher in all of baseball. The guy is a stud, a lefty, a true Yankee, and at less than $9 million per year would be a steal in today's market, especially is we unloaded Pavano's insane deal.
Irabu's Son
12-23-05, 11:36 PM
George King was telling me that Jeter may move to CF and ARod is moving to SS to make room for Joe Randa and Damon may learn 2B and he'll play there while Cano learns to switch hit and not make simple errors while thinking about non baseball crap while playing the field.
Bull. Cano can already switch hit. He just forgets to do it because he's thinking of non baseball crap while batting.
ANSKYcm
12-24-05, 12:08 AM
Lets wait till the Stros suck without clemens, because then getting rid of 17.5 mill would seem a lot more attractive to them
MR STEINBRENNER 27
12-24-05, 03:19 AM
Not impressed. Pettitte left for a reason and I say let him stay in Houston. The tragedy would be that NY would have to part with Wang, Chacon and or Small. No thank you. Let Houston deal with the madness of $17.5 million per.
I agree I wouldnt deal away Wang or Chacon, but Aaron Small? One fluke season for the career minor league journey man with an 85 mph fastball, and now suddenly he's better than ANDY PETTITTE? ANDY 'Four Rings' PETTITTE?
I agree I wouldnt deal away Wang or Chacon, but Aaron Small? One fluke season for the career minor league journey man with an 85 mph fastball, and now suddenly he's better than ANDY PETTITTE? ANDY 'Four Rings' PETTITTE?He's not saying that at all. The point is that Small is as cheap as pitchers come and MAY be useful in 2006. Pettitte comes with a big price, and although we'd love to have him back we may rather spend that kind of money on a starting right fielder or a much younger pitcher.
if the 'Stros would go for Pavano/Sturtze & Mrs. Pettitte would let Andy go, this would be a no-brainer.
I'll take the Rocket back too, if he's available.
and while we're at it, steal El Duque from the D-Backs and sticking him in the bullpen.
I don't consider any of this an indulgence in nostalgia. Pettitte & Clemens are better than most if not all current members of the rotation, and Duque would be wicked out of the 'pen - as he showed in the ALDS. I realize it's probably unrealistic to hope that all these guys fall into the Yanks' lap - i'd guess Duque is the most readily available.
pettitte_mussina
12-26-05, 06:21 PM
A day or two ago, someone posted a rumor from (I'd like to say) another message board about Pavano and Sturtze + a prospect to the Astros for Andy Pettitte. If it were for a B prospect (a la Melky or White), as opposed to a Duncan, Hughes, or Clippard, would you do this deal?
Personally, no, unless the Astros were going to pay a pretty healthy chunk of that $17.5 million he is due next season. He is a lefty though, and you can never under-estimate the value of a good lefty starting pitching in Yankee Stadium.
Andy Pettitte was supposed to be a Yankee for life. He came up through their farm system, and pitched so well for them in most of the very big games. The only reason he chose "home" over New York was because of George Steinbrenner's lack of respect toward signing him. The talk was after that 2003 season was "Resigning Andy Pettite is our highest priority," but their actual (only) priority was Gary Sheffield:
"Mr. Steinbrenner assured Andy Pettitte that he would be the top priority of the club in the off-season. Instead, after being beaten by the Florida Marlins in the World Series, Steinbrenner offered a lucrative free agent contract to Braves superstar Gary Sheffield. In addition, Sheffield has a reputation of being hard to get along with in the clubhouse. Andy Pettitte, one of the most successful left- handed pitchers in baseball and a great pressure performer will now pitch for the Houston Astros and the Yankees will not have a left-handed starter in their starting rotation." (Anthony Lemma, Baseball's Evil Empire Website)
pettitte_mussina
12-26-05, 06:23 PM
I think the Pettitte situation is a lot like the Damon situation in that our FO didn't try hard enough to keep him. I miss him and would take him back in a heartbeat. How much money have we thrown at unproven pitching since he's left? He's a gamer AND he can get it done here. That's worth 17 million to be. Especially if we're getting rid of 11 million, one-good season Carl Pavano.
& (hope you dont' mind me adding on here), the money we have thrown on the pitchers that have come in place of Pettitte have been DISASTROUS. Most notably----> Kevin Brown.
pettitte_mussina
12-26-05, 06:25 PM
How is he not worth it? The guy is New York bred, and won 21 games for us a couple years ago. He has the mental make-up to pitch here, he helped us win 4 world series, he is finally healthy again, and for the second half of last seasom was arguably the best pitcher in all of baseball. The guy is a stud, a lefty, a true Yankee, and at less than $9 million per year would be a steal in today's market, especially is we unloaded Pavano's insane deal.
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. Anyone who feels different just doesn't get the value of the "tradition" that everyone associates with the great NY Yankees.
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. Anyone who feels different just doesn't get the value of the "tradition" that everyone associates with the great NY Yankees.
In your opinion ;)
BigBats
12-26-05, 10:19 PM
As long as we don't have to pay him $17.5 mil, sure.
Snatch Catch
12-27-05, 01:38 PM
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. Anyone who feels different just doesn't get the value of the "tradition" that everyone associates with the great NY Yankees.
No, anyone who thinks differently actually realizes Andy Pettitte's real worth as a baseball player.
ryanthe13th
12-27-05, 08:27 PM
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. Anyone who feels different just doesn't get the value of the "tradition" that everyone associates with the great NY Yankees.
Andy Pettite was offered a contract here and he declined the offer. He took a pay cut to play in Houston because his wife told him she wasn't comfortable in NY anymore. Andy made his own exit out of NY. Personally, I am pretty glad he didn't return. He barely threw in 2004 and we wouldnt've been any better off with him in the rotation in 2005.
Face it, Andy is not coming back to NY anytime soon. The sooner people realize this, the better off they'll be.
Chairman-of-TheBoard
12-27-05, 08:49 PM
Andy Pettite was offered a contract here and he declined the offer. He took a pay cut to play in Houston because his wife told him she wasn't comfortable in NY anymore. Andy made his own exit out of NY. Personally, I am pretty glad he didn't return. He barely threw in 2004 and we wouldnt've been any better off with him in the rotation in 2005.
Face it, Andy is not coming back to NY anytime soon. The sooner people realize this, the better off they'll be.
:clap: Hurts, but like we said, the guy chose to leave.
NewEraYanks2527
12-27-05, 08:53 PM
So my question is that is there any basis at all to any thing about Pettitte coming back? I think the Hot Stove Forum should have some rules to it involving this kind of thing.
Yankeeah
12-27-05, 08:53 PM
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. Anyone who feels different just doesn't get the value of the "tradition" that everyone associates with the great NY Yankees.
Tradition? So anyone who has had previous success here we should bring back? Whats Clay Bellinger up to? Lets give Andy Fox a call.
Pettitte left by his own chosing. Deal with it.
longtimeyankeefan
12-27-05, 09:23 PM
So my question is that is there any basis at all to any thing about Pettitte coming back? I think the Hot Stove Forum should have some rules to it involving this kind of thing.
Are you suggesting that we impart logic on the Hot Stove League? What a concept :D
Top 3 recurring threads
3.) We need Pettitte back/why did he leave/
2.) we should have signed Beltran
1.) was the RJ trade a wise one?
You're forgetting the most recurring of all time: When will Jeter move/when will the Yankees move Jeter to CF? :D
goin for 27
12-27-05, 09:28 PM
Andy's wife won't approve of that.
Exactly.
Three Words.
No
Trade
Clause.
DandyAndy46
12-29-05, 09:40 AM
Andy Pettite was offered a contract here and he declined the offer. He took a pay cut to play in Houston because his wife told him she wasn't comfortable in NY anymore. Andy made his own exit out of NY. Personally, I am pretty glad he didn't return. He barely threw in 2004 and we wouldnt've been any better off with him in the rotation in 2005.
Face it, Andy is not coming back to NY anytime soon. The sooner people realize this, the better off they'll be.
I completely agree that people need to get over the fact that Andy is NEVER coming back to NYY but...
I'm pretty sure Andy could have been brought back but...Big Stein chose to focus on Sheff rather than making sure he locked up one of the most consistent left-handed pitchers the Yankees have had since 1996...I mean come on this guy is one of the top 5 LHP in the majors How can anyone seriously suggest that this guy is not a solid addition to any to any major league roster...how rare is premium left handed pitching??? How many big games did this guy win in his 9 years with the Yankees...sure Andy took the hometown discount...but the Yankees made it easy for him...and it's easy to say the guy has had elbow problems but if I recall correctly the 2004 injury was a result of him batting which he would not have done in the AL...and finally, to suggest the Yankees wouldn't have been better with him in the rotation in 2005...I think the Yanks pitching staff could have used his 222 IP
Snatch Catch
12-29-05, 10:08 AM
how rare is premium left handed pitching???
Andy Pettitte might be a lefty, but who cares?
How many big games did this guy win in his 9 years with the Yankees
How many big games did Pettitte not just lose, but get shelled in, in his 9 years as a Yankee?
mycroft
12-29-05, 11:07 AM
Hey, Andy wanted out of NY. Let him stay where he is.
How many big games did Pettitte not just lose, but get shelled in, in his 9 years as a Yankee?
Why on earth would you bring that up?
Yukon Cornelius
12-29-05, 11:29 AM
...How many big games did Pettitte not just lose, but get shelled in, in his 9 years as a Yankee?
Just look back to the 2001 World Series....:(
shutout
12-29-05, 11:56 AM
I think Pettitte is one of the best pitchers in MLB. I'd love to see him here, of course I'd also love to see Cy Young Carpenter with the Yankees, but that's probably not going to happen either.
Hitman23
12-29-05, 12:05 PM
Sorry, Andy's not worth $17.5 million a year, no way, no how. $12 million, maybe.I don't think we are in any position to judge these things. It's all subject to the time they were signed (whether or not the market was paying alot of money to FAs) or who else was available. If a very good player goes out on the open market, but happens to be the best available player at the time, and many teams have a need he could fill, he's gonna get paid.
But putting aside this fact, Andy has earned the money he's making now. And I would love nothing more then to see him back here.
DandyAndy46
12-29-05, 12:05 PM
Andy Pettitte might be a lefty, but who cares?
Yeah...who cares...it's not like left handed pitching is important in say a place like Yankee Stadium against guys like...David Ortiz...come on bro...wise up...the staple of all Yankees Championship teams has been......good left handed pitching....gotta have it to win in Yankee Stadium
Snatch Catch
12-29-05, 02:52 PM
Yeah...who cares...it's not like left handed pitching is important in say a place like Yankee Stadium against guys like...David Ortiz...come on bro...wise up...the staple of all Yankees Championship teams has been......good left handed pitching....gotta have it to win in Yankee Stadium
Check his splits before you post next time, O wise one.
Snatch Catch
12-29-05, 02:55 PM
Just look back to the 2001 World Series....:(
Just look back to almost every single postseason he participated in.
Just look back to almost every single postseason he participated in.Good thing you put "almost" in there :)
In '03:
Min: 7IP, 4H, 1R, 3BB, 10SO
Bos: 7.2IP, 9H, 2ER, 1BB, 5SO
Bos: 5IP, 8H, 4ER, 2BB, 5SO
FLA: 8.2IP, 6H, 0ER, 1BB, 7SO
FLA: 7IP, 6H, 1ER, 3BB, 7SO
That's a pretty damn impressive post-season.
DandyAndy46
12-29-05, 03:05 PM
Check his splits before you post next time, O wise one.
I'm not speaking specifically about Ortiz, what I'm saying is you have to have left-handed pitching to neautralize left-handed hitting...
And for an informed assessment of Andy's Postseason performance please check...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pettian01.shtml
Some more splits:
In '96 he was mediocre
In '97 he was terrible
In '98:
1-0, 1.29 in the Division series
0-1, 11.57 in the Championship series
1-0, 0.00 in the WS
In '99:
1-0, 1.23 in the Div.
1-0, 2.45 in the Chmpsh
0-0, 12.27 in the WS
In '00:
1-0, 3.97 in the Div
1-0, 2.7 in the Champ.
0-0, 1.98 in the WS
In '01:
0-1, 1.42 in the Div
2-0, 2.51 in the Champ.
0-2, 10.00 in the WS
In '02 he stunk it up in the one game
In '03 I've posted the stats above.
He had two bad years in the WS: '99 and '01.
One bad year in the Championship series: '98.
He wasn't the best pitcher, but he wasn't the worst, either.
mvavra1
12-29-05, 03:28 PM
Let's wait until his contract is up and he's older and then we sign him to a 4 year deal ;)
Nuke LaLoosh
12-29-05, 03:36 PM
I wonder if Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh is still kicking around?
I hear he's got some serious sh*t.
As a matter of fact I am and would gladly throw for the Yanks for mch less the $17MM per year. Of course, they have to hire Annie as my pitching coach and Crash as my personal catcher.
Snatch Catch
12-29-05, 03:38 PM
Good thing you put "almost" in there :)
In '03:
Min: 7IP, 4H, 1R, 3BB, 10SO
Bos: 7.2IP, 9H, 2ER, 1BB, 5SO
Bos: 5IP, 8H, 4ER, 2BB, 5SO
FLA: 8.2IP, 6H, 0ER, 1BB, 7SO
FLA: 7IP, 6H, 1ER, 3BB, 7SO
That's a pretty damn impressive post-season.
Sure, but there's still that game against Boston. That was a shellacking.
Andy certainly pitched some memorable games, and I am thankful for them. HOWEVER he also got shelled at times in the postseason, but because he was such a great person, said all the right things, and had those very memorable positive moments, we forget certain things. Things like:
1998 ALCS GM 3-- 4.6 IP, 8H, 6ER
1999 WS GM 3-- 3.6 IP, 10H, 5ER
2001 WS GM 6-- 2.0 IP, 7H, 6ER
2002 ALDS GM 2-- 3.0 IP, 8H, 4ER
2003 ALCS GM 6--- 5.0 IP, 8H, 4ER
Thats getting hammered almost once a postseason.
Snatch Catch
12-29-05, 03:40 PM
I'm not speaking specifically about Ortiz, what I'm saying is you have to have left-handed pitching to neautralize left-handed hitting...
Again, please check his splits.
And for an informed assessment of Andy's Postseason performance please check...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pettian01.shtml
Trust me, I know what Pettitte's postseason performance was like. He was largely unspectacular on the whole.
Zimmers' Helmet
12-29-05, 03:52 PM
Again, please check his splits.
Trust me, I know what Pettitte's postseason performance was like. He was largely unspectacular on the whole.
It's also un undeniable fact that without Pettitte, the Yankees do not win the World Series in 1996; and I think that it's also fair to say that without '96; it's also very possible that the Yankees do not evolve into the same team that won another 3 World Championships afterwards.
As unspectacular as Andy was at times, he was/is still much better than anything else the Yankees currently have in their rotation.
I'd welcome the man back with open arms.
Doesn't mean it's going to happen though...
DandyAndy46
12-29-05, 03:52 PM
Trust me, I know what Pettitte's postseason performance was like. He was largely unspectacular on the whole.
Guess we'll just have to disagree on that one...you make him sound like he's just some average pitcher you can find anywhere at anytime and well, I just think he's a special pitcher that the Yankees as a team really miss...
DandyAndy46
12-29-05, 03:55 PM
Sure, but there's still that game against Boston. That was a shellacking.
Andy certainly pitched some memorable games, and I am thankful for them. HOWEVER he also got shelled at times in the postseason, but because he was such a great person, said all the right things, and had those very memorable positive moments, we forget certain things. Things like:
1998 ALCS GM 3-- 4.6 IP, 8H, 6ER
1999 WS GM 3-- 3.6 IP, 10H, 5ER
2001 WS GM 6-- 2.0 IP, 7H, 6ER
2002 ALDS GM 2-- 3.0 IP, 8H, 4ER
2003 ALCS GM 6--- 5.0 IP, 8H, 4ER
Thats getting hammered almost once a postseason.
When you're pitching that much in the postseason, chances are you're going to get hammered occasionally the reason that it seems he gets hammered a lot is that other than Mo, Andy was the only guy there from '95 - '03 so the law of averages says you're going to get hammered if you pitch that much in the postseason...
BobbyMurcerFan
12-29-05, 04:05 PM
It's also un undeniable fact that without Pettitte, the Yankees do not win the World Series in 1996...I like Andy as a pitcher VERY MUCH, but did you watch game one of the 1996 WS? 2.1 innings pitched and seven earned runs. :eek:
True, he was spectacular against Smoltz in game five. ;)
But while there were many Yankee heros in the 1996 WS, going 1-1 with a 5.91 ERA doesn't particularly standout (in my book).
Sure, but there's still that game against Boston. That was a shellacking.
Andy certainly pitched some memorable games, and I am thankful for them. HOWEVER he also got shelled at times in the postseason, but because he was such a great person, said all the right things, and had those very memorable positive moments, we forget certain things. Things like:
1998 ALCS GM 3-- 4.6 IP, 8H, 6ER
1999 WS GM 3-- 3.6 IP, 10H, 5ER
2001 WS GM 6-- 2.0 IP, 7H, 6ER
2002 ALDS GM 2-- 3.0 IP, 8H, 4ER
2003 ALCS GM 6--- 5.0 IP, 8H, 4ER
Thats getting hammered almost once a postseason.Oh I agree. I said as much. However, I don't think he's a terrible post-season pitcher and nor is he fantastic.
Snatch Catch
12-29-05, 04:30 PM
When you're pitching that much in the postseason, chances are you're going to get hammered occasionally the reason that it seems he gets hammered a lot is that other than Mo, Andy was the only guy there from '95 - '03 so the law of averages says you're going to get hammered if you pitch that much in the postseason...
We're not talking having an alright outing, we're talking getting hammered and putting the team in a very poor position.
Once a postseason is certainly no a function of regularity, it's a function of the quality of pitcher Pettitte is.
He pitched some fantastic games for the Yankees in the playoffs, and he also pitched some outright duds. His career postseason ERA is over 4.00. That's fairly pedestrian.
It's funny, too, because the trend continued this year with the Astros, but everyone is so blinded by the great games he pitched here.
Snatch Catch
12-29-05, 04:31 PM
Oh I agree. I said as much. However, I don't think he's a terrible post-season pitcher and nor is he fantastic.
I never said he was terrible, only that he was terrifically overrated, and not worth the money that he was paid.
I was glad when he went to Houston, considering how much money he would have made here, his actual pitching abilities, and the condition of his elbow.
Yanknut023
12-29-05, 04:41 PM
I never said he was terrible, only that he was terrifically overrated, and not worth the money that he was paid.
I was glad when he went to Houston, considering how much money he would have made here, his actual pitching abilities, and the condition of his elbow.
I agree that Pettitte was overrated when it came to the post season. However, that happens a lot with ex-Yankees. Tino got this reputation of being a great post-season player . He hit a few big hits (GS in 1998 and Game tying HR in 2001 & game tying hit in Game 7 of 01) besides that his numbers we not so good in the postseason. The Cards singed him after the 01 season hoping he would help them in the postseason. (He as 2 for 25 in the 2002 postseason)
But I agree, Pettitte had his good games and had his terrible games. He just reminded everyone about his great games and showed them this 4 rings before he signed his contract.
NelsonMuntz
12-29-05, 09:46 PM
For the love of God somebody please put this thread out of its misery. Pettitte is gone and he's not coming back here. :-padlock-
ryanthe13th
12-29-05, 10:57 PM
:-padlock-:-padlock-:-padlock-:-padlock-:-padlock-:-padlock-:-padlock-
I am all aboard this bandwagon.
46andygirl
01-02-06, 11:56 PM
As much as I would LOVE for Andy to be in NY, his wife won't allow it. Laura was tired of moving 3 kids(now 4) back and forth from Texas to NY. It will never happen. Besides, he pitches pretty good in the Houston and the fans adore him there. If Roger retires(again)then between Andy and Roy Oswalt, the Astros have a lethal 1-2 combination.
shutout
01-03-06, 04:57 AM
As much as I would LOVE for Andy to be in NY, his wife won't allow it. Laura was tired of moving 3 kids(now 4) back and forth from Texas to NY. It will never happen. Besides, he pitches pretty good in the Houston and the fans adore him there. If Roger retires(again)then between Andy and Roy Oswalt, the Astros have a lethal 1-2 combination.
What's up with these wife's who decide where a player plays??? He's a ballplayer, if he can get a great paying job, with a great team (Yankeeees), support the dude.
yankeebot
01-03-06, 05:04 AM
What's up with these wife's who decide where a player plays??? He's a ballplayer, if he can get a great paying job, with a great team (Yankeeees), support the dude.Well, gosh, I guess my husband should just make all the decisions in my family regardless of how I am affected, too. ;)
Early in a player's career the decisions are made for him. After a ballplayer has established himself, though, he has an opportunity to do what is not only best for himself but for his family. Why is that such a bad thing?
keithf1
01-03-06, 08:49 AM
I sure hope we move to the NL Central soon.
That's true but I mean still. They are ML hitters and he was amazing.
I thought the padlock wagon had passed through this thread...
:-padlock-
Quangormo
01-03-06, 09:13 AM
I don't see it happening, but I'd LOVE to see Andy back. Laura shouldn't be making the decisions. They should be making them as a team. If coming back to New York is the best thing for Andy's career, that should count. But it won't.
38Special
01-03-06, 09:26 AM
it's not happening arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
DandyAndy46
01-03-06, 10:26 AM
Memo
To: members who want Andy Petttttitttttttttttttttteeeee back
From: Someone who wishes Andy hadn't left
Re: Silly postings about Andy coming back
______________________
Andy is still my favorite pitcher but he's never coming back to the Yankees so my advice is the sooner you accept this fact the easier things will be, trust me it works...
Stay Classy NYC, Stay Classy
:-padlock-:-padlock-:-padlock-:-padlock-:-padlock-
surge511
01-03-06, 01:16 PM
Oh I agree. I said as much. However, I don't think he's a terrible post-season pitcher and nor is he fantastic.
He pitched about as good in the postseason as in the regular season. That in my mind means he is a great postseason pitcher, because it takes a lot to perform that well in such a big spot in NY. You can't deny that Pettitte was a very valuable and important part to the Yankees' runs.
grabick_luca
01-03-06, 03:30 PM
why is this thread still open
jnewmark
01-04-06, 07:54 AM
why is this thread still open
Kinda like an old girlfriend who dumped you - you just can't let her go and always expect her to come crawling back.
Zimmers' Helmet
01-04-06, 02:15 PM
why is this thread still open
If this thread irritates you so much, why reply to it?
It's much easier to just move on to a thread that interests you..
grabick_luca
01-04-06, 04:35 PM
A. This thread shouldn't be a topic in opinion because the source is fan based and unreliable. B. I'm just trying to get the mod's attention to close it as are other people before it gets more ridiculous. C. I replied to it because i can.
prcyankee
01-04-06, 06:48 PM
Not impressed. Pettitte left for a reason and I say let him stay in Houston. The tragedy would be that NY would have to part with Wang, Chacon and or Small. No thank you. Let Houston deal with the madness of $17.5 million per.
Absolutely !! Its nice to see some one else realizes you have to pay to play and really pay if you want to contend. Its the nature of the market, top talent will command top dollar.
freebubba
01-05-06, 08:20 AM
Not sure if this has been brought up in the thread, but Pettitte IS NOT scheduled to make $17.5 this coming season. He is only due to make $10.5, he is then owed $7m in deferred salary, which he isn't due to get until 2008. I am sure that if a club expressed enough interest, the Stros FO would try and make the payment of that deferred salary part of the deal. Regardless pending FA, I am not sure any team is in a hurry to deal a guy that just went 17-9 with a low 2+ era and 200+ innings.
Loved the guy while he was here, but I have to agree with the sentiments of the others in this thread who say he isn't coming back. Actually, I would be really surprised if Houston didn't extend him before spring training was over (barring injury).
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