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ANSKYcm
12-21-05, 02:52 AM
Now that the Yanks have filled both of their needs, bullpen and CF, do you see them making any more moves?
2006 lineup:
Damon CF
Jeter SS
A-Rod 3B
Giambi DH
Sheff RF
Matsui LF
Cano 2B
Posada C
Phillips 1B
Rotation:
Johnson
Mussina
Chacon
Wang
Pavano
Pen:
Small
Wright
Sturtze
Myers
Villone
Dotel
Farnsworth
Rivera
Bench:
C-Stinett
IF-Escalona
OF/PR-Bubba
PH-Bernie
I say we go after a cheap 1B backup that could fill in for Phillips if need be. (Eduardo Perez?)
I think we should look into signing a utility IFer.
I also think we should look to trade a starter (Pavano or Wright) for some decent prospects to help build up the minors. Pavano at this point is a 10 mill luxury. After trading Pavano, go after a non tendered starter or someone cheap (Wade Miller, Ryan Franklin, Gil Meche)
thoughts??...
SupaYankee13
12-21-05, 03:10 AM
I'm not....encouraged by the Andy Phillips DHing move, but if we have to cut payroll.....I guess I can live with batting 8 players. And we need a utility IFer, which could possibly be Miguel Cairo. Yeah, we'll trade a pitcher, but with the bench possibly getting crowded if we bring Bernie back, I don't know what we'd get in return, cause if we get a DH/1B, then our lineup is like:
Damon CF
Jeter SS
A-Rod 3B
Giambi DH
Sheff RF
Matsui LF
Cano 2B
Posada C
???? 1B
C-Stinett
IF-Cairo
OF/PR-Bubba
PH-Bernie
1B-Phillips
That's 14 position players with 11 pitchers to round it out. We need a solid DH/1B/OF to rotate Giambi and Sheffield in the DH spot...So.....the only way I can see our lineup improving and not having a logjam on the 25-man roster is.... :eek: ....Bernie not coming back.....? Damn.....so yeah, a pitcher or two is getting traded. We're stuck with Wright and possibly Pavano. I wouldn't want to trade Pavano because that would mean we'd have to pay some of his salary, which could mean an increase in payroll unless the guy we take back has a smaller salary.....Can anyone think of a (relatively) cheap utility man that can play those 3 aforementioned positions?
TheWarrior21
12-21-05, 03:16 AM
Who besides Phillips would Bernie be PHing for? Also, if he did PH for Phillips, who plays 1B? If he doesn't start at DH, he doesn't have a role on this team IMO. I love him to death, but I wish he would retire.
ANSKYcm
12-21-05, 03:19 AM
Who besides Phillips would Bernie be PHing for? Also, if he did PH for Phillips, who plays 1B? If he doesn't start at DH, he doesn't have a role on this team IMO. I love him to death, but I wish he would retire.
I'm with you on that. I think if he wants to keep playing we need to sign him, but it baffles me that he doesnt just retire instead of degrating himself with a ruben sierra role. I thought that if he didn't retire he would go to another team and battle to be a starting CF and prove he had a few good years left, but what's the point now? Does he really need another 2 mill?
That said, I also think that he would be a good, switch hitting pinch hitter, and an upgrade over Sierra. Also, if an OF gets hurt, Bubba starts and Bernie is now the 4th OFer.
SupaYankee13
12-21-05, 03:33 AM
I was reading this site (Baseball Toaster: Bronx Banter (http://bronxbanter.baseballtoaster.com/) just a second ago, and I haven't seen anyone suggest this name, and I doubt it'll happen, and I don't really support it; it's just intriguing:
Mike Piazza for DH?
He also makes a good point for those who don't like the Damon signing because of the years: Damon and Matsui are pretty much the same age and have pretty much the exact same contract, so what's stopping anyone from saying that Matsui won't suck at 36 like people are saying Damon will?
NYDCYankee
12-21-05, 04:12 AM
I am a proponent of getting a good hitter for DH, Piazza would be great and could spell Posada (at times).
BornYank21
12-21-05, 04:42 AM
I would love to get a good-hitting DH to round out this team. My ideal scenario, which won't happen but would be great if it did, would be to sign Bengie Molina. He's looking for a one year deal so he can cash in next offseason like he failed to do this offseason. Molina is better defensively than Jorge, and a good hitter to boot. If he were catching, Jorge could DH, which would reduce the wear and tear on him and slow his decline, and also, his massive option which kicks in if he starts 81 games at catcher this year would not be exercised. He probably would be upset about that, but I sure wouldn't.
ryanthe13th
12-21-05, 04:45 AM
I think we add Miguel Cairo to the mix and maybe a back up 1B man.
My guess is that Giambi, Sheff, Matsui wioll all play in the Dh role, with Bubba and Phillips playing the field for them, as necessary. Bubba in the OF for Sheff or Matsui, with Phillips at 1B for Giambi.
Bubba and Phillips both will bat 9th.
I can definately live with this.
Ghost of Dan Pasqua
12-21-05, 05:47 AM
I think they have one more move in them to trade off Pavano and a reliever for another bat who can DH and also play first base or outfield. Because of Pavano's salary, they can probably get a good player because they will be able to asborb a pretty big contract and the money would be a wash. Not sure who will fit the bill, but I think that would be the final move.
NYDCYankee
12-21-05, 06:06 AM
I think they have one more move in them to trade off Pavano and a reliever for another bat who can DH and also play first base or outfield. Because of Pavano's salary, they can probably get a good player because they will be able to asborb a pretty big contract and the money would be a wash. Not sure who will fit the bill, but I think that would be the final move.
Troy Glaus?
no, we should pick up durazo or eduardo perez, then we're done
I think they have one more move in them to trade off Pavano and a reliever for another bat who can DH and also play first base or outfield. Because of Pavano's salary, they can probably get a good player because they will be able to asborb a pretty big contract and the money would be a wash. Not sure who will fit the bill, but I think that would be the final move.
Like you, I would like to see one more reliable bat headed this way, preferably in RF to allow Sheffield more DH time. I, too, think that Pavano is the key trading chip to secure that bat.
Matsui55
12-21-05, 07:15 AM
Like you, I would like to see one more reliable bat headed this way, preferably in RF to allow Sheffield more DH time. I, too, think that Pavano is the key trading chip to secure that bat.
At this point, I think I might revisit that rumored deal with the Phils of Abreu and Leiberthal for Pavano and Sheffield (with other moving parts on both sides).
By doing this, you can plug Abreu in RF (and get younger and "faster"), move Posada to DH and let Leiberthal catch this year.
In doing so, you can almost "pay for" Damon's contract, while defering the C argument.
First, Leiberthal's deal ends after the 2006 season. Wave him goodbye and move on. Second, moving Posada to DH prevents that ridiculous option from vesting (while giving you a legit DH for 2006). At the end of 2006, the Yanks can re-visit the issue and decide whether Posada still fits. Third, you move Pavano's 10M per for the next three years off the books. Fourth, Sheffield for Abreu is a wash in 2006, and the Yanks are only on the books for Abreu for 2007 after that.
I believe Abreu has better range than Sheffield (who is somewhat of a statute out there at this stage in his career), and they have generally equal arms. Should be a slight improvement to wash in RF. DH would improve, as Giambi generally does NOT hit well as a DH. 1B would not be a strength defensively, but Giambi did become adequate as the year progressed. Leiberthal is a decent C, though his best years are behind him.
Leiberthal's main value would be as a FA after 2006. First, he frees up the C and provides flexibility to improve the spot after 2006. Second, he should be a type "A" FA- get back a pick after 2006. Third, he's also a playoff vet, and has survived a pretty rough fan base- NY should actually be a relief for him.
BigBats
12-21-05, 07:26 AM
Pavano will be traded.
NYDCYankee
12-21-05, 07:33 AM
Pavano will be traded.
Someone needs to be because we dont have room for all the pitchers on our roster.
MTYankee23
12-21-05, 07:39 AM
1. Trade Pavano, preferably for some High Level prospects while eating some salary.
2. I think we've ignored the bench a little too much the past couple years. I'd keep Phillips as the backup IF, Stinnett as the C, and I'd try and add guys like Durazo, DaVanon, and Gerut to the bench.
Yanks Lifer
12-21-05, 07:49 AM
Well, if we assume Dotel's not ready by opening day that's one spot on the 25 man roster open. I also think there's a possibility pitching is moved before opening day depending on the Yankees and other teams injuries and needs.
Strictly focusing on the bench, Stinnett, Bernie and Phillips seem to be givens. Depending on an 11 or 12 man staff that leaves 1 or 2 more bench spots. If 2 I would say Cairo would most likely be one while the other could be:
1. Bubba, good speed off the bench.
2. Perez
3. Carlos Pena, good defense (did he get DFA'd?)
If 1, the thinking could be Phillips backs up 3B, 2B and 1B so Cairo is not needed and who knows?
ICEBERG18
12-21-05, 07:50 AM
A healthy Erubiel Durazo in Yankees Stadium.
A healthy Erubiel Durazo in Yankees Stadium.
A healthy Erubiel Durazo in Yankees Stadium.
A healthy Erubiel Durazo in Yankees Stadium.
A healthy Erubiel Durazo in Yankees Stadium.
A healthy Erubiel Durazo in Yankees Stadium.
A healthy Erubiel Durazo in Yankees Stadium.
:drool:
Bernie cannot be the DH of on this team, and i don't think he will be.
MTYankee23
12-21-05, 07:51 AM
Definitely agree with Durazo. Absolutely NO to Eduardo Perez. I still think we need some OF depth outside of Bubba Crosby for a change.
I don't think we're going to trade Pavano. There is a good chance we're going to need him in the rotation as either/both the aging RJ and Moose could spend significant time on the DL. There are enough question marks over our starters to make you worry about depth.
utopiapkwy
12-21-05, 07:57 AM
A healthy Erubiel Durazo in Yankees Stadium.
A healthy Erubiel Durazo in Yankees Stadium.
How do you make Erubial Durazo healthy?
MTYankee23
12-21-05, 07:59 AM
I don't think we're going to trade Pavano. There is a good chance we're going to need him in the rotation as either/both the aging RJ and Moose could spend significant time on the DL. There are enough question marks over our starters to make you worry about depth.
Which makes sense to a point. Pavano has been more injury prone than both Mussina and Johnson even at the late stages of their careers, and when he isn't healthy, walk-year aside, he's not good. Obviously if the right deal doesn't come along you hang on to him. But if it does, worrying about the pitching depth isn't a reason to keep him.
noneckwilliams
12-21-05, 08:06 AM
Like you, I would like to see one more reliable bat headed this way, preferably in RF to allow Sheffield more DH time. I, too, think that Pavano is the key trading chip to secure that bat.
I'd still like to add another OFer.
seamusk
12-21-05, 08:10 AM
Not sure who it is, but someone on ESPN just said Bernie will be agreeing to 1 year at 1.5 million this afternoon. Not sure how he knows this or how sollid.
C-BUS CLIPPER
12-21-05, 08:10 AM
Sign Miggy or Perez, and call it an offseason...IMO.
MTYankee23
12-21-05, 08:13 AM
Sign Miggy or Perez, and call it an offseason...IMO.
Neither would be great.
ICEBERG18
12-21-05, 08:13 AM
How do you make Erubial Durazo healthy?
That's the point, i don't know if he's healthy yet because i haven't read anything on him.
vin777b
12-21-05, 08:23 AM
At this point, I think I might revisit that rumored deal with the Phils of Abreu and Leiberthal for Pavano and Sheffield (with other moving parts on both sides).
By doing this, you can plug Abreu in RF (and get younger and "faster"), move Posada to DH and let Leiberthal catch this year.
In doing so, you can almost "pay for" Damon's contract, while defering the C argument.
First, Leiberthal's deal ends after the 2006 season. Wave him goodbye and move on. Second, moving Posada to DH prevents that ridiculous option from vesting (while giving you a legit DH for 2006). At the end of 2006, the Yanks can re-visit the issue and decide whether Posada still fits. Third, you move Pavano's 10M per for the next three years off the books. Fourth, Sheffield for Abreu is a wash in 2006, and the Yanks are only on the books for Abreu for 2007 after that.
I believe Abreu has better range than Sheffield (who is somewhat of a statute out there at this stage in his career), and they have generally equal arms. Should be a slight improvement to wash in RF. DH would improve, as Giambi generally does NOT hit well as a DH. 1B would not be a strength defensively, but Giambi did become adequate as the year progressed. Leiberthal is a decent C, though his best years are behind him.
Leiberthal's main value would be as a FA after 2006. First, he frees up the C and provides flexibility to improve the spot after 2006. Second, he should be a type "A" FA- get back a pick after 2006. Third, he's also a playoff vet, and has survived a pretty rough fan base- NY should actually be a relief for him.
send this to Cashman's blackberry ASAP.
excellent line of thinking.
C-BUS CLIPPER
12-21-05, 08:31 AM
Neither would be great.
Have any suggestions? :)
MTYankee23
12-21-05, 08:42 AM
Have any suggestions? :)
Haha, I did above. Worst case would rather spend next to nothing on Escalona and Phillips in those roles.
Best case we look into guys like DaVanon, Durazo, etc. to fill those spots.
Phillips can be a utility infielder, as he can play every position but SS, and we have a pretty good one in an emergency.
38Special
12-21-05, 08:50 AM
Bubba wont be on the team come March. Kevin Thompson is more likely to take his spot as hes a better hitter and equal defender
NelsonMuntz
12-21-05, 09:10 AM
We can't possibly be done. We have no DH or backup middle infielder. And I'm not that crazy about Bubba as a 4th outfielder. In short, out bench stinks.
My guess is that Giambi, Sheff, Matsui wioll all play in the Dh role, with Bubba and Phillips playing the field for them, as necessary. Bubba in the OF for Sheff or Matsui, with Phillips at 1B for Giambi.
Bubba and Phillips both will bat 9th.
I can definately live with this.
That makes perfect sense to me.
vin777b
12-21-05, 09:47 AM
they should (get michaels). Sturtze is a spare part. And Sheff is no longer an outfielder.
yankeebot
12-21-05, 09:48 AM
Get Michaels for RF.
It would be soooo much more fun to swoop in and steal Reed.
We can't possibly be done. We have no DH or backup middle infielder. And I'm not that crazy about Bubba as a 4th outfielder. In short, out bench stinks.
Sure we do...Bernie Williams. If they're going to insist on keeping him around, that's what he will be...DH and spare outfielder, for better or worse.
It would be soooo much more fun to swoop in and steal Reed.
Reed's gonna cost more than Michaels, alot more. Although it would be a total slap in the face of the redsox to get Reed after getting Damon. But I'd rather get Michaels cuz he'll be cheaper to get.
they should (get michaels). Sturtze is a spare part. And Sheff is no longer an outfielder.
Agreed. Plus Michaels provides insurence for when Damon can't cut it anymore in CF (which will be sooner than later).
nyg02005
12-21-05, 10:06 AM
The next move should be to properly scout the other teams minor league prospect. We have some players to trade that can produce a good prospect in return.
We can't possibly be done. We have no DH or backup middle infielder. And I'm not that crazy about Bubba as a 4th outfielder. In short, out bench stinks.
We still have our trade chips (in fact some that we have to trade) and there are a good amount of worthy bench players out there. This should be easy.
I'd go at Michaels again too. We still have those chips.
Pavano will be traded.
I agree.
But I think that the Yankees need to get a new starting pitcher.
They have:
Randy Johnson
Mike Mussina
Chien-Ming Wang
Shawn Chacon
Carl Pavano
Jaret Wright
That just doesn't look very stable to me....
I wish they would have gotten Washburn or Byrd and traded away Pavano or Wright. Now the only good pitcher that is left is Millwood.
Agreed. Plus Michaels provides insurence for when Damon can't cut it anymore in CF (which will be sooner than later).
By the time Damon can't cut it in center, we will have people in the minors ready who are better than Michaels. Brett Gardner could be ready in two years and Melky will also be in the mix. Michaels will be 32-33 by then.
And down the road we have Austin Jackson, Evan Tierce, Tabata, Henry, and Battle.
I agree.
But I think that the Yankees need to get a new starting pitcher.
They have:
Randy Johnson
Mike Mussina
Chien-Ming Wang
Shawn Chacon
Carl Pavano
Jaret Wright
That just doesn't look very stable to me....
I wish they would have gotten Washburn or Byrd and traded away Pavano or Wright. Now the only good pitcher that is left is Millwood.
And adding Washburn or Byrd would make it stable? It would make it older and more mediocre. That is called moving sidewards. I'll take my chances with Pavano and Wright. I would like to see what Kerrigan can do with them.
Spiker101
12-21-05, 10:28 AM
I'm not at all comfortable with Phillips playing every day. The Yanks still need a DH. They still need a fourth outfielder, a Matt Lawton, Jacque Jones TYPE. I think you still should be keeping an eye on any bargains out there among the non-tendered (see Dan Kolb). But nothing should be done any earlier than late spring training, including trading off any starting pitching. I'm still traumatized by the memory of having three starting pitchers on the DL at the same time. But if things break right this spring, the Yanks would be a position to trade off some pitching (Wright and cash, Villone and cash) and pick up a couple or three very decent prospects. Prospects are what this team needs more than anything.
flymick24
12-21-05, 10:32 AM
if the yankees need more starting pitching, they can look within their system... there are plenty of starters who can slip into the rotation if anybody lands on the DL
as for further moves, the team still needs a DH. if we are to view bernie in terms of the new ruben sierra, he shouldn't get more than 100 ABs this year. i like the idea of DHing sheffield and getting michaels to play RF, but i like the idea of getting reed evern better (but it's unlikely.)
i'll be happy if they can sign durazo.
38Special
12-21-05, 10:35 AM
There's no need to get Reed. He doesnt hit for enough power to play a corner
Bubba wont be on the team come March. Kevin Thompson is more likely to take his spot as hes a better hitter and equal defender
Does he also have options? The Y's need someone to shuttle back and forth to Columbus in case an OFer gets on the DL for awhile. Bubba is out of options. I agree that he should be and will be gone. He has served his role for the y's. Time to move on to the next marginal fill-in with options.
At this point, I think I might revisit that rumored deal with the Phils of Abreu and Leiberthal for Pavano and Sheffield (with other moving parts on both sides).
By doing this, you can plug Abreu in RF (and get younger and "faster"), move Posada to DH and let Leiberthal catch this year.
In doing so, you can almost "pay for" Damon's contract, while defering the C argument.
First, Leiberthal's deal ends after the 2006 season. Wave him goodbye and move on. Second, moving Posada to DH prevents that ridiculous option from vesting (while giving you a legit DH for 2006). At the end of 2006, the Yanks can re-visit the issue and decide whether Posada still fits. Third, you move Pavano's 10M per for the next three years off the books. Fourth, Sheffield for Abreu is a wash in 2006, and the Yanks are only on the books for Abreu for 2007 after that.
I believe Abreu has better range than Sheffield (who is somewhat of a statute out there at this stage in his career), and they have generally equal arms. Should be a slight improvement to wash in RF. DH would improve, as Giambi generally does NOT hit well as a DH. 1B would not be a strength defensively, but Giambi did become adequate as the year progressed. Leiberthal is a decent C, though his best years are behind him.
Leiberthal's main value would be as a FA after 2006. First, he frees up the C and provides flexibility to improve the spot after 2006. Second, he should be a type "A" FA- get back a pick after 2006. Third, he's also a playoff vet, and has survived a pretty rough fan base- NY should actually be a relief for him.
You can't have Giambi play first every game. He needs some DH time. This plan only works if Posada can play first, which is possible. What would be available for C's after 2006?
BillAlex
12-21-05, 10:45 AM
We still have our trade chips (in fact some that we have to trade) and there are a good amount of worthy bench players out there. This should be easy.
I'd go at Michaels again too. We still have those chips.
I agree. Throw in Bubba. Make it Bubba, Henn (or Sturtze) and Proctor for Michaels and a minor leaguer to be named later.
Spiker101
12-21-05, 10:55 AM
[QUOTE=flymick24]if the yankees need more starting pitching, they can look within their system... QUOTE]
They can look, but they won't find. There are no major league ready starters in the Yanks farm system.
flymick24
12-21-05, 11:00 AM
[QUOTE=flymick24]if the yankees need more starting pitching, they can look within their system... QUOTE]
They can look, but they won't find. There are no major league ready starters in the Yanks farm system.
you'd be surprised.
This is what I think the lineup is gonna look like most days.
CF Damon
SS Jeter
RF Sheff
LF Matsui
3B ARod
1B Giambi
C Posada
DH Williams
2B Cano
RhodeyYankee2638
12-21-05, 11:08 AM
It would be soooo much more fun to swoop in and steal Reed.
Hell why not try for both
This is what I think the lineup is gonna look like most days.
CF Damon
SS Jeter
RF Sheff
LF Matsui
3B ARod
1B Giambi
C Posada
DH Williams
2B Cano
Damon
Jeter
Arod
Giambi
Sheffield
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Williams
would be the best I could reasonably hope for with that group. I can't see any reason to bat AROD and Giambi behind Sheffield and Matsui.
Kulish29
12-21-05, 11:22 AM
Encarnacion can play RF cant he? Does he hit enough to handle that position?
Spiker101
12-21-05, 11:23 AM
At this point, I think I might revisit that rumored deal with the Phils of Abreu and Leiberthal for Pavano and Sheffield (with other moving parts on both sides).
By doing this, you can plug Abreu in RF (and get younger and "faster"), move Posada to DH and let Leiberthal catch this year.
In doing so, you can almost "pay for" Damon's contract, while defering the C argument.
First, Leiberthal's deal ends after the 2006 season. Wave him goodbye and move on. Second, moving Posada to DH prevents that ridiculous option from vesting (while giving you a legit DH for 2006). At the end of 2006, the Yanks can re-visit the issue and decide whether Posada still fits. Third, you move Pavano's 10M per for the next three years off the books. Fourth, Sheffield for Abreu is a wash in 2006, and the Yanks are only on the books for Abreu for 2007 after that.
I believe Abreu has better range than Sheffield (who is somewhat of a statute out there at this stage in his career), and they have generally equal arms. Should be a slight improvement to wash in RF. DH would improve, as Giambi generally does NOT hit well as a DH. 1B would not be a strength defensively, but Giambi did become adequate as the year progressed. Leiberthal is a decent C, though his best years are behind him.
Leiberthal's main value would be as a FA after 2006. First, he frees up the C and provides flexibility to improve the spot after 2006. Second, he should be a type "A" FA- get back a pick after 2006. Third, he's also a playoff vet, and has survived a pretty rough fan base- NY should actually be a relief for him.
The parts would seem to fit. You're essentially trading away one year of Sheffield for $13 million, and three years of Pavano at about $10 million per (total value of $44 million) and receving one year of Leiberthal at $9 million and three years of Abreu at about $15 million per (total value $55 million). But the $10 million in additional money the Yanks would take on would be more than offset by the $12 million savings on Posada.
I think the talent is roughly equal -- for one year. The question you have to ask is whether at the end of '06 the Phillies will be satisfied with two years of Pavano at $10 million plus whatever they can pick up for $5 million per as against Abreu at $15 million each year. If I were in the Phillies front office that would be tough.
For the Yanks the swap in talent for '07-'08 is a no-brainer. (Pavano vs. Abreu, when they're going to need a rightfielder anyway.) The question for the Yanks is more philosophical. That is, are we going to screw the living bejesus out of Jorge? Again that would be tough.
Damon
Jeter
Arod
Giambi
Sheffield
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Williams
would be the best I could reasonably hope for with that group. I can't see any reason to bat AROD and Giambi behind Sheffield and Matsui.
That is the one (right now).
Spiker101
12-21-05, 11:38 AM
you'd be surprised.
:D Surprise wouldn't be word for it. Stunned. Astonished. Shocked.
Spiker101
12-21-05, 11:43 AM
Damon
Jeter
Arod
Giambi
Sheffield
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Williams
would be the best I could reasonably hope for with that group. I can't see any reason to bat AROD and Giambi behind Sheffield and Matsui.
That would probably be the lineup you would go with against lefties, up to the ninth spot. I would hope the Yanks would have a better righty bat to face lefty pitching than Williams.
Against righties I'd be more inclinded to go:
Damon
Jeter
Giambi
ARod
Matsui
Sheffield
Posada
Cano
Williams
But this all an exercise in greed. If everyone stays healthy, the Yanks have the best offense in baseball.
aeromac76
12-21-05, 11:44 AM
I was reading this site (Baseball Toaster: Bronx Banter (http://bronxbanter.baseballtoaster.com/) just a second ago, and I haven't seen anyone suggest this name, and I doubt it'll happen, and I don't really support it; it's just intriguing:
Mike Piazza for DH?
He also makes a good point for those who don't like the Damon signing because of the years: Damon and Matsui are pretty much the same age and have pretty much the exact same contract, so what's stopping anyone from saying that Matsui won't suck at 36 like people are saying Damon will?
Ya know what, with my friends here at work, I have been advocating this for some time.
You get a big time hitter, who will flourish in a deep lineup (.300 with 30 HR not out of the question for MIke) and will be the DH most of the time. If you need to, he can spell Posada behind the dish once or twice every 10 days and you lose nothing offensively.
He has played in NY and had hall of fame seasons here, he has playoff experience and even played against us in the WS so it is not like some guy coming from KC.
He is a RH hitter with most of his power to RF and right center, the rare right handed hitter whose approach will benefit from the YS configurations.
I would love it.
Lastly, my brother is a die hard Mets fan and seeing him have to watch Piazza hammer the ball as a Yankee would be to delicious for me to resist!!
I'm not at all comfortable with Phillips playing every day. The Yanks still need a DH. They still need a fourth outfielder, a Matt Lawton, Jacque Jones TYPE. I think you still should be keeping an eye on any bargains out there among the non-tendered (see Dan Kolb). But nothing should be done any earlier than late spring training, including trading off any starting pitching. I'm still traumatized by the memory of having three starting pitchers on the DL at the same time. But if things break right this spring, the Yanks would be a position to trade off some pitching (Wright and cash, Villone and cash) and pick up a couple or three very decent prospects. Prospects are what this team needs more than anything.
Sounds like the Phils are still looking to deal Abreu for pitching (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player?statsId=5698) so why not Pavano and Sturtze for Abreu?
1- Damon (CF)
2- Jeter (SS)
3- A-Rod (3B)
4- Giambi (1B)
5- Sheff (DH)
6- Matsui (LF)
7- Abreu (RF)
8- Posada (C)
9- Cano (2B)
PinstripePride
12-21-05, 11:57 AM
Ya know what, with my friends here at work, I have been advocating this for some time.
You get a big time hitter, who will flourish in a deep lineup (.300 with 30 HR not out of the question for MIke) and will be the DH most of the time. If you need to, he can spell Posada behind the dish once or twice every 10 days and you lose nothing offensively.
He has played in NY and had hall of fame seasons here, he has playoff experience and even played against us in the WS so it is not like some guy coming from KC.
He is a RH hitter with most of his power to RF and right center, the rare right handed hitter whose approach will benefit from the YS configurations.
I would love it.
Lastly, my brother is a die hard Mets fan and seeing him have to watch Piazza hammer the ball as a Yankee would be to delicious for me to resist!!
I think he should take his aging, creaky body and .778 OPS and head somewhere else.
38Special
12-21-05, 12:04 PM
Pavano, Sheffield, Henn for Abreu and Michaels
Kulish29
12-21-05, 12:11 PM
Pavano, Sheffield, Henn for Abreu and Michaels
I like it. Get it done.
SoCal Pinstriper
12-21-05, 12:12 PM
From another thread.
Originally Posted by ring403
So the Yankees, who are very likely done adding any significant player salary, have addressed their offseason needs, while still reducing payroll/creating flexibility, and giving up none of their young talent?
aeromac76
12-21-05, 12:13 PM
I think he should take his aging, creaky body and .778 OPS and head somewhere else.
I know what you are saying, but he wans banged up and still catching every day when he was in the lineup.
You don't think he will enjoy a renaissance of sorts as an everyday DH without the physical rigors of catching??
Sounds like the Phils are still looking to deal Abreu for pitching (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player?statsId=5698) so why not Pavano and Sturtze for Abreu?
Because the Phillies would get a better deal?
PinstripePride
12-21-05, 12:37 PM
I know what you are saying, but he wans banged up and still catching every day when he was in the lineup.
You don't think he will enjoy a renaissance of sorts as an everyday DH without the physical rigors of catching??
I'm not sure, but I don't think I want to take on another aging player to platoon with our bevy of DHs just to hope he'll turn it around.
38Special
12-21-05, 12:37 PM
Because the Phillies would get a better deal?
If they discussed a deal straight up for Derek Lowe, we have a shot.
Bengie Molina would make a world of sense. The bottom totally fell out of the market for him and he should be willing to go for 1 year deal at 4-5 mill and hope for better money next year. Posada absolutely needs to be moved out of the catching role to prevent that rediculous option from vesting.
Piazza would look fine at DH but Posada would still be the main catcher so it doesnt help per the option. Plus I'm sure everyone in NY is very aware that the man can't play 1B which would limit his usefullness. Molina makes a lot more sense to me and wouldn't cost much more probably.
Evil Empire
12-21-05, 12:59 PM
Trade Pavano for prospects and sign Clemens. I'd be up for that.
I think we're gonna make a play for Abreu.
Trade Pavano for prospects and sign Clemens. I'd be up for that.
Surely you jest. :eek:
Evil Empire
12-21-05, 01:06 PM
Surely you jest. :eek:
Surely I don't. Of course it's not a must, but I'd personally be happier with a 1-2-3 of RJ, Clemens, Moose over RJ, Moose, Pavano.
Surely I don't. Of course it's not a must, but I'd personally be happier with a 1-2-3 of RJ, Clemens, Moose over RJ, Moose, Pavano.
Not usually an "age" guy...but your rotation averages 64 years old.
We would have to have a 7 man SP rotation.
Evil Empire
12-21-05, 01:13 PM
Not usually an "age" guy...but your rotation averages 64 years old.
We would have to have a 7 man SP rotation.
Clemens on a one year deal wouldn't kill us, plus I'm hoping we can get prospects who'd be able to start in a year or two in the majors anyway. Then there's no problem.
Clemens on a one year deal wouldn't kill us, plus I'm hoping we can get prospects who'd be able to start in a year or two in the majors anyway. Then there's no problem.
Ahhh, got ya. :)
Bengie Molina would make a world of sense. The bottom totally fell out of the market for him and he should be willing to go for 1 year deal at 4-5 mill and hope for better money next year. Posada absolutely needs to be moved out of the catching role to prevent that rediculous option from vesting.
Piazza would look fine at DH but Posada would still be the main catcher so it doesnt help per the option. Plus I'm sure everyone in NY is very aware that the man can't play 1B which would limit his usefullness. Molina makes a lot more sense to me and wouldn't cost much more probably.
1. Molina tends to get hurt, miss time, and/or DH a lot for a catcher. Molina isn't the way to stop Posada from playing catcher for half a year.
2. Molina is good hitter for a catcher, but he isn't that good a hitter versus corner OFs and 1B.
3. Molina does nothing to address the issue of allowing Matsui and Sheffield to DH along with Giambi.
Evil Empire
12-21-05, 01:16 PM
Ahhh, got ya. :)
Cool.
Spiker101
12-21-05, 01:17 PM
Sounds like the Phils are still looking to deal Abreu for pitching (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player?statsId=5698) so why not Pavano and Sturtze for Abreu?
1- Damon (CF)
2- Jeter (SS)
3- A-Rod (3B)
4- Giambi (1B)
5- Sheff (DH)
6- Matsui (LF)
7- Abreu (RF)
8- Posada (C)
9- Cano (2B)
Any lineup that has Abreu hitting seventh is fine with me.:D
Problem for me is that I'm still recovering from last year's trauma of having three starters on the DL at the same time. I'll require years of psychiatric care to get over that. I don't trade starting pitching, until late in spring training.
Evil Empire
12-21-05, 01:18 PM
Any lineup that has Abreu hitting seventh is fine with me.:D
Problem for me is that I'm still recovering from last year's trauma of having three starters on the DL at the same time. I'll require years of psychiatric care to get over that. I don't trade starting pitching, until late in spring training.
Luckily we have Small and Wright in the pen who could fill two spot starts whenever we'd need it.
Any lineup that has Abreu hitting seventh is fine with me.:D
Problem for me is that I'm still recovering from last year's trauma of having three starters on the DL at the same time. I'll require years of psychiatric care to get over that. I don't trade starting pitching, until late in spring training.
But we re-signed Bernie. PH only?
Iknowcool
12-21-05, 01:22 PM
With RJ, Mussina, Chacon, Wang and Small, thats a decent rotation. Now that Damon is signed, Cash might be looking to cut payroll by trading a starter. If we find a good deal for Pavano and/or Wright, don't let the "we need a backup starter, everybodys too injury prone" idea interfere. You can find a hell of a lot of a cheaper sixth starter than these two. A lot of the non-tender guys could fill this role. Plus DePaula/DeSalvo/Henn in AAA could do it as well. Keeping Wright to be a relieve might be a good idea, though.
DePaula/DeSalvo/Henn arent going to be on the major league staff unless injuries occur.
Spiker101
12-21-05, 01:30 PM
But we re-signed Bernie. PH only?
My guess is that Bernie, assuming he performs at some decent level, will DH against righties whenever Matsui is in the field. Along with an occasional PH stint, I'd guess he'll get 250 ABs, but I hope it's no more than that.
Spiker101
12-21-05, 01:33 PM
Luckily we have Small and Wright in the pen who could fill two spot starts whenever we'd need it.
You've got more confidence in Small than I do. Not to say you might not be right. But the bottom line is that the Yanks didn't have home field in the playoffs because of injuries to their starting staff. If they had had homefield, I'm not convinced they wouldn't have gone all the way. Last year's team played with a good deal of heart down the stretch.
I can't see how the Yanks don't trade away one of their starters after acquiring Dotel. The only one I can see being traded is Pavano. I would rather not trade him but I really don't think they'll get rid of Chacon or Wang, and I don't think anybody wants Wright.
Evil Empire
12-21-05, 01:35 PM
You've got more confidence in Small than I do. Not to say you might not be right. But the bottom line is that the Yanks didn't have home field in the playoffs because of injuries to their starting staff. If they had had homefield, I'm not convinced they wouldn't have gone all the way. Last year's team played with a good deal of heart down the stretch.
For spot starts and middle relief, I don't see why I shouldn't be confident with him.
CaptainThurman
12-21-05, 01:45 PM
I'm seeing rumors on another Board, by an occasionally well-connected poster, that says Pavano and Sturtze and a prospect to Houston for Pettitte, so I think there's more dealing ahead of us....
Spiker101
12-21-05, 01:47 PM
I'm seeing rumors on another Board, by an occasionally well-connected poster, that says Pavano and Sturtze and a prospect to Houston for Pettitte, so I think there's more dealing ahead of us....
I'd be shocked if Pettitte agrees to return to New York. The Yanks would be silly to do this. Andy will make $17.5 million this year. Talk about your back-loaded contracts.
Spiker101
12-21-05, 01:49 PM
For spot starts and middle relief, I don't see why I shouldn't be confident with him.
History, man, history. And that rather gaudy 4.90 career ERA.
I'd be shocked if Pettitte agrees to return to New York. The Yanks would be silly to do this. Andy will make $17.5 million this year. Talk about your back-loaded contracts.
I love Pettitte and all... but... no!
I don't think Pettitte's family would go for that.
BornYank21
12-21-05, 02:09 PM
I think Cashman has done a tremendous job this offseason, fulfilling his two stated needs (pen and cf) without giving up our good young talent. I think 2 moves remain before we can call it a roster: sign Miguel Cairo, which based on his recent comments should be a piece of cake, and trade for Jason Michaels, moving Sheff to DH, which completes the lineup and improves the defense. They asked for Proctor and Henn, I think I'd do that...I'd rather keep Henn, so explore other options, but get Michaels.
ANSKYcm
12-21-05, 02:17 PM
I'd be shocked if Pettitte agrees to return to New York. The Yanks would be silly to do this. Andy will make $17.5 million this year. Talk about your back-loaded contracts.
I'd love to have Pettitte back, he should've never left. But for that kind of money, Clemens could be signed. I think we should pull something off if we were able to offer more players in compensation for the astros paying some of his contract. For example, Pavano, Sturtze, a propect for Pettitte, but now throw in Henn and have them pay a few mill. I dunno if Henn is worth a few mill, but if we could somehow get them to pay 4 or 5 mil of his contract, I'd take him in a heartbeat.
I'm seeing rumors on another Board, by an occasionally well-connected poster, that says Pavano and Sturtze and a prospect to Houston for Pettitte, so I think there's more dealing ahead of us....
I really like Pavano, but if we can get Andy, cya Carl. :)
ANSKYcm
12-21-05, 02:24 PM
I'm seeing rumors on another Board, by an occasionally well-connected poster, that says Pavano and Sturtze and a prospect to Houston for Pettitte, so I think there's more dealing ahead of us....
I've always wanted to use this annoying smiley...
:link:
38Special
12-21-05, 02:24 PM
I'm seeing rumors on another Board, by an occasionally well-connected poster, that says Pavano and Sturtze and a prospect to Houston for Pettitte, so I think there's more dealing ahead of us....
link?
The FUTURE
12-21-05, 03:42 PM
I think Cashman has done a tremendous job this offseason, fulfilling his two stated needs (pen and cf) without giving up our good young talent. I think 2 moves remain before we can call it a roster: sign Miguel Cairo, which based on his recent comments should be a piece of cake, and trade for Jason Michaels, moving Sheff to DH, which completes the lineup and improves the defense. They asked for Proctor and Henn, I think I'd do that...I'd rather keep Henn, so explore other options, but get Michaels.
No way Phillie gives up Michaels for Proctor and Henn :roflmao:
maybe we could get Endy Chavez for Proctor and Henn instead ;)
Trade Pavano for prospects and sign Clemens. I'd be up for that.
That would be excellent, actually. I'd love that.
BronxCheer
12-21-05, 03:56 PM
Hi all,
I know that I'm in a verey small minority of probably one, but I think that Bernie may be a very good DH. He won't have to play the field and he still has a little pop in his bat plus can hit the gaps at times.
I don't think we need a 30 hr guy who hits .350 to be DH in this lineup. I just thinkl he'll be better than most posters on this board think.
Thank you,
BC
Hi all,
I know that I'm in a verey small minority of probably one, but I think that Bernie may be a very good DH. He won't have to play the field and he still has a little pop in his bat plus can hit the gaps at times.
I don't think we need a 30 hr guy who hits .350 to be DH in this lineup. I just thinkl he'll be better than most posters on this board think.
Thank you,
BC
It's a minority of at least 2, ie, I agree. :)
RIYankeeFan
12-21-05, 03:59 PM
It would be soooo much more fun to swoop in and steal Reed.
You know I was thinking this.... Pavano for Reed, get it done. Reed in CF, Damon in RF. What a blow to Boston. They loose their leadoff hitter, CF, and an energetic team player. They also loose their backup option. ;)
JeffWeaverFan
12-21-05, 04:00 PM
1. We need to trade one of our pitchers so that we have 11 on the roster (that doesn't include Proctor or Dotel).
2. We still need to work on the bench.
3. We need a DH. Bernie is not a good enough hitter to be the DH. I wouldn't mind Andy Phillips in the Nomar role, but if we went into the season with that in mind, Bernie would end up getting way too much time as the DH.
The FUTURE
12-21-05, 04:01 PM
I think we should sign OF Eric Byrnes to be our 4th OF:
He has good D, can play any OF position, and is a guy that will do anything for his team.
:-offtopic...sorry...but i just saw he was non-tendered..can someone make a thread about him ;)
JeffWeaverFan
12-21-05, 04:03 PM
Hi all,
I know that I'm in a verey small minority of probably one, but I think that Bernie may be a very good DH. He won't have to play the field and he still has a little pop in his bat plus can hit the gaps at times.
I don't think we need a 30 hr guy who hits .350 to be DH in this lineup. I just thinkl he'll be better than most posters on this board think.
Thank you,
BC
If you put a guy like Bernie as the DH, then you take away the advantages you have offensively with Derek Jeter, Sheffield, and A-Rod - who are much better than league average guys at that position. They are still good enough to overcome Bernie's lack of production compared to the average DH, but you should at least have a league average offensive DH, and Bernie is not close to that anymore.
38Special
12-21-05, 04:09 PM
What is the league-average for DH?
The Comic Book Guy
12-21-05, 04:17 PM
For what it's worth, in 85 ABs as a DH Bernie hit .294/.368/.459, and in 11 ABs as a pinch hitter he went .273/.438/.545
Very small sample size obviously, but it does suggest to me that Bernie might still be able to produce when his legs are rested.
JeffWeaverFan
12-21-05, 04:31 PM
What is the league-average for DH?
I could look it up if you'd like, but a lot better than Bernie's 81 OPS+ last season. And yes, I know Bernie hit much better as a DH than as a CFer, but that was in a small sample size and Bernie really looked done at times last season.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-21-05, 04:36 PM
I could look it up if you'd like, but a lot better than Bernie's 81 OPS+ last season. And yes, I know Bernie hit much better as a DH than as a CFer, but that was in a small sample size and Bernie really looked done at times last season.
Yeah, if you look at his numbers in 2004 as a DH they aren't nearly as good and better reflect what he is going to do because it is a larger sample size. As for if the Yanks are done, if Crisp is available, for Pavano and stuff, that would complete the team...
ANSKYcm
12-21-05, 04:39 PM
It's a minority of at least 2, ie, I agree. :)
make that three. if he shares DH with Phillips and gets a good number of at bats, i could see .270 15 65 Not great, but not bad, and i think people in this thread think he's gonna stuggle to bat over .200
The FUTURE
12-21-05, 04:40 PM
QUOTE=JavyVazquezIsSick]As for if the Yanks are done, if Crisp is available, for Pavano and stuff, that would complete the team...[/QUOTE]
I read somewhere that the Redsox were trading Bronson Arroyo to CLE for Cocco Crisp..and i hate to think negatively but if im the Indians i think i would take Arroyo over Pavano....sorry no link
JeffWeaverFan
12-21-05, 04:48 PM
I read somewhere that the Redsox were trading Bronson Arroyo to CLE for Cocco Crisp..and i hate to think negatively but if im the Indians i think i would take Arroyo over Pavano....sorry no link
The Red Sox would have to give up more than Arroyo to land Crisp. And I agree - Arroyo definitely has more value, especially given how much both cost, than Pavano.
SupaYankee13
12-21-05, 04:59 PM
I doubt we'd match up with the Indians well. Especially since they provide competition for the White Sox in the Central, and their late season surge last year, it doesn't make sense for them to trade an essential player in their lineup unless they are getting a Major League ready player in return that can come close to reproducing his production....we do not have that player to give them. Plus I don't know if Pavano's contract would fit into the Indians' budget (although I have no idea what that budget is, somebody could help me out with that).
Once again, I do not endorse the idea of having Phillips playing DH. Michaels, yeah....Durazo, maybe....I'd rather have a right-handed hitting DH, and I wouldn't like to pay a DH a lot of money like Abreu would be if he came here (Sorry if people disagree with that....I've been playing MVP Baseball 2005 and I took that notion in mind when looking for a DH, haha). Only reason I don't really like Piazza as a DH is because we already have a backup catcher, and we need that IF/OFer to spell people because I don't like having three declining outfielders out there EVERY day.....Wilkerson would be PERFECT for that role....dammit....I'll throw this name out cause we've heard it before and I don't think it'd be too shabby....
Randy Winn?
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-21-05, 05:32 PM
Ya know what, with my friends here at work, I have been advocating this for some time.
You get a big time hitter, who will flourish in a deep lineup (.300 with 30 HR not out of the question for MIke) and will be the DH most of the time. If you need to, he can spell Posada behind the dish once or twice every 10 days and you lose nothing offensively.
He has played in NY and had hall of fame seasons here, he has playoff experience and even played against us in the WS so it is not like some guy coming from KC.
He is a RH hitter with most of his power to RF and right center, the rare right handed hitter whose approach will benefit from the YS configurations.
I would love it.
Lastly, my brother is a die hard Mets fan and seeing him have to watch Piazza hammer the ball as a Yankee would be to delicious for me to resist!!
Considering he hasnt his .300 since 2001 or 30 homers since 2002 I think that would be out of the question
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-21-05, 05:40 PM
Hi all,
I know that I'm in a verey small minority of probably one, but I think that Bernie may be a very good DH. He won't have to play the field and he still has a little pop in his bat plus can hit the gaps at times.
I don't think we need a 30 hr guy who hits .350 to be DH in this lineup. I just thinkl he'll be better than most posters on this board think.
Thank you,
BC
Your right we dont need a 30 hr .350 average guy in DH but we do need somebody who would do better(much better) than Bernies awful 2005 numbers which are .249/.321/.367
Your right we dont need a 30 hr .350 average guy in DH but we do need somebody who would do better(much better) than Bernies awful 2005 numbers which are .249/.321/.367
While still playing the field, though. ;)
JapanJobbers
12-21-05, 06:24 PM
You know I was thinking this.... Pavano for Reed, get it done. Reed in CF, Damon in RF. What a blow to Boston. They loose their leadoff hitter, CF, and an energetic team player. They also loose their backup option. ;)
Except it seems that the M's don't want to add more payroll so they probably don't want Pavano. And I doubt Damon wants to move to RF. I definitely don't want to see Damon throwing in RF.:)
AMYanks
12-21-05, 06:45 PM
I still think we need to work on the bench, by using our bullpen depth. Any combination of Small, Wright, Sturtze, packaged with a mid-level prospect, for a 4th OFer who could also play a lot of RF for Sheffield (Michaels).
Also could use a big bat off the bench, although I doubt we make a move for anyone like Eduardo Perez.
27IsNext
12-21-05, 06:51 PM
The Red Sox would have to give up more than Arroyo to land Crisp. And I agree - Arroyo definitely has more value, especially given how much both cost, than Pavano.
They need to be trying to shop Wakefield instead of Arroyo. Without Mirabelli, Wakefield's ERA is going to be over 5.
flymick24
12-21-05, 06:54 PM
i think clement for reed straight up makes sense for both teams
The FUTURE
12-21-05, 06:57 PM
They need to be trying to shop Wakefield instead of Arroyo. Without Mirabelli, Wakefield's ERA is going to be over 5.
:roflmao:
allstarcano22
12-21-05, 06:59 PM
"Also could use a big bat off the bench, although I doubt we make a move for anyone like Eduardo Perez."
i would rather have bernie come off the bench then start every day, but mayben he'll have some sort of resurgence now that he doesn't have to pla y the field, who knows.
i have been looking and there isn't much for free agent 1B/Dh guys out there. In my opinion i would go with Jt Snow. I don't know why everyone wants Durazo it looks liek he only had one good year (04) in his career so id go with snow or Perez i guess.
AMYanks
12-21-05, 07:04 PM
"Also could use a big bat off the bench, although I doubt we make a move for anyone like Eduardo Perez."
i would rather have bernie come off the bench then start every day, but mayben he'll have some sort of resurgence now that he doesn't have to pla y the field, who knows.
i have been looking and there isn't much for free agent 1B/Dh guys out there. In my opinion i would go with Jt Snow. I don't know why everyone wants Durazo it looks liek he only had one good year (04) in his career so id go with snow or Perez i guess.
Durazo's career OPS+ is equal to Matsui's. He just didn't get an opportunity until later in his career, OR he was injured. When 100%, he is a great hitter.
TheGameEpisode2
12-21-05, 07:06 PM
What would do it for me:
1. A combination of Wright, Small, Sturtze, and a mid level prospect for Jason Michaels. Would move Sheff to DH and improve our outfield defense.
2. Sign Miguel Cairo as a UTIL guy. Guy is very solid and proved it with the Yanks.
3. Sign Eduardo Perez. I really like Andy Phillips, but I just don't think Torre will give him his shot. That's just me. Also, Perez can play three positions- 1B, 3B, and LF.
So my team would basically be (Let's just assume Sturtze is the one traded in the Michaels deal):
Lineup:
CF- Johnny Damon
SS- Derek Jeter
3B- Alex Rodriguez
1B- Jason Giambi
DH- Gary Sheffield
LF- Hideki Matsui
2B- Robinson Cano
C- Jorge Posada
RF- Jason Michaels
Bench:
Bernie Williams (PH, occasional DH, 4th OFer)
Miguel Cairo (Backup 1B, 2B, and 3B)
Eduardo Perez (Backup 1B, 3B, and LF)
Kelly Stinnett (Backup Catcher)
Rotation:
Randy Johnson
Mike Mussina
Shawn Chacon
Carl Pavano
Chien-Ming Wang
Bullpen:
Jaret Wright (Mop-up, Spot Starter)
Aaron Small (Middle relief, Spot Starter)
Mike Myers (Left handed specialist)
Ron Villone (Middle relief)
Octavio Dotel (Middle relief, Set-Up man)
Kyle Farnsworth (Set-up man)
Mariano Rivera (Closer)
Sadly, I see Bubba Crosby off the team. (I like Bubba...)
Sadly, I see Bubba Crosby off the team. (I like Bubba...)
I think you have a great plan, but we won't be carrying 12 pitchers.
Bubba will be a 5th OF or the Yanks will find a role for Phillips.
AMYanks
12-21-05, 07:35 PM
- I would do Wright + Henn + Melky for Michaels. That should get it done.
- Sign Eduardo Perez
Lineup:
Damon CF
Jeter SS
A-Rod 3B
Giambi 1B
Sheffield DH
Matsui LF
Posada C
Michaels RF
Cano 2B
(I put Posada ahead of Michaels because I don't want Posada following a high OBP guy.)
Bench:
Stinnett C
Perez 1B/DH
Phillips Util.
Bernie OF/DH
Rotation:
Johnson LHP
Chacon RHP
Wang RHP
Mussina RHP
Pavano RHP
Bullpen:
Small RHP
Myers LHP (LOOGY)
Sturtze RHP
Villone LHP
Farnsworth RHP
Dotel RHP
Rivera RHP
I would rather go 14/11 for players/pitchers, and not 13/12, but oh well.
The FUTURE
12-21-05, 07:49 PM
Sadly, I see Bubba Crosby off the team. (I like Bubba...)
Well here's something that could brighten up your day.;)
Dotel prob. wont be ready by the start of the season. So Crosby could play until Dotel is ready:P
TheGameEpisode2
12-21-05, 08:08 PM
Well here's something that could brighten up your day.;)
Dotel prob. wont be ready by the start of the season. So Crosby could play until Dotel is ready:P
Hooray for Bubba!
27IsNext
12-21-05, 08:20 PM
No, we aren't:
1.) We still need a bench. Stinnett was a good signing, especially considering his experience with Randy, and Phillips has the potential to be a good backup (he can play corner IF and OF spots). Bernie is the PH/occasional DH. I don't like it, but it's done and over with. We still need a backup middle IFer and backup OFer. I'd be okay with Miguel Cairo back to be a backup middle IFer--I think he would do well in a limited role. As for the outfield, I want someone who plays good defense, can hit a little, and can steal a base. Crosby doesn't do the later two (he doesn't have good base-stealing instincts).
2.) Either trade for Jason Michaels and move Sheff to DH, or sign Erubiel Durazo to be the DH.
Lineup is Jeter, Damon, Giambi, A-Rod, Sheffield, Matsui, Durazo/Michaels, Posada, and Cano.
Backups are Phillips, Stinnett, Bernie, Cairo, (Backup OFer)
Starting pitching is Johnson, Mussina, Pavano, Wang, and Chacon.
Bullpen is Wright, Myers, Villone, Farnsworth, Dotel, Rivera.
- I would do Wright + Henn + Melky for Michaels. That should get it done.
- Sign Eduardo Perez
Lineup:
Damon CF
Jeter SS
A-Rod 3B
Giambi 1B
Sheffield DH
Matsui LF
Posada C
Michaels RF
Cano 2B
(I put Posada ahead of Michaels because I don't want Posada following a high OBP guy.)
Bench:
Stinnett C
Perez 1B/DH
Phillips Util.
Bernie OF/DH
Rotation:
Johnson LHP
Chacon RHP
Wang RHP
Mussina RHP
Pavano RHP
Bullpen:
Small RHP
Myers LHP (LOOGY)
Sturtze RHP
Villone LHP
Farnsworth RHP
Dotel RHP
Rivera RHP
I would rather go 14/11 for players/pitchers, and not 13/12, but oh well.
:drool: :drool:
YankeePride1967
12-21-05, 08:28 PM
I'm seeing rumors on another Board, by an occasionally well-connected poster, that says Pavano and Sturtze and a prospect to Houston for Pettitte, so I think there's more dealing ahead of us....
1050 spoke of this rumor today with speculation that Clemens would sign on here as well. I don't buy it (either rumor).
People really need to learn to let go.
38Special
12-21-05, 08:34 PM
Seriously. Also to the guy who suggested Perez and Phillips before. Thats like having Giambi and Hee Seop Choi on the same team. They both serve the same purpose. Except Phillips is younger, could play 3rd or 2nd along with 1st, and is not 500 years old with bad knees
AMYanks
12-21-05, 08:53 PM
Seriously. Also to the guy who suggested Perez and Phillips before. Thats like having Giambi and Hee Seop Choi on the same team. They both serve the same purpose. Except Phillips is younger, could play 3rd or 2nd along with 1st, and is not 500 years old with bad knees
I would tell you why it's not like having Giambi and Choi on the same team, but you answered it for yourself.
OKCYankee
12-21-05, 08:53 PM
I agree.
But I think that the Yankees need to get a new starting pitcher.
They have:
Randy Johnson
Mike Mussina
Chien-Ming Wang
Shawn Chacon
Carl Pavano
Jaret Wright
That just doesn't look very stable to me....
I wish they would have gotten Washburn or Byrd and traded away Pavano or Wright. Now the only good pitcher that is left is Millwood.
If the Yanks go after another starter, it will be Clemens. But with his health in question, that's a stretch. The Sox will prolly make a run at him, but he won't bite because they are as messed up, organizationally, as they were when he left. That's the same reason Damon left. Rocket wants another ring and they Yanks are his best bet. However, he wouldn't be able to spend as much time at home. So, he prolly goes back to one of the Texas teams, where he'll have nice golf weather, come October.
Anyone OK with the Return of the Rocket, at a reasonable price?
Prolly not gonna happen... Better get a little warmer and fuzzier about our Starters, cuz that's all there is.
I think we could be well served by doing something like this:
We should try to trade Small for a minor league OF with some potential.
It is necessary to sign a 4th OF who hits righties well and plays very good defense. Someone like Terrence Long or Michael Tucker would work well.
The team will also need a decent back-up 1st baseman who can draw a walk and hit for power. Eduardo Perez and Wes Helms come to mind.
We should put Cairo back in pinstripes.
against righties:
Giambi at First
Sheffield at DH
Long/Tucker in Right
against lefties:
Giambi at DH
Sheffield in Right
Perez/Helms at First
Bernie becomes the pinch-hit specialist
The FUTURE
12-21-05, 10:32 PM
It is necessary to sign a 4th OF who hits righties well and plays very good defense. Someone like Terrence Long or Michael Tucker would work well.
Terrence Long and Michael Tucker dont really hit righties that well and both arent that great at defense. Eric Byrnes would be a much better fit, hes younger, faster,better D and plays all OF positons then after him guys like DaVanon Chavez and Restovich would get offers before the yankees even thought about going after Long or Tucker. ;)
jew4jeter
12-21-05, 10:37 PM
The Yankees could unload a lot of salary by trading Pavano and/or Wright for prospects (They would probably have to pay a portion of those contracts). Then sign Clemens for a year. Makes the staff better for next year and gives more flexibility for the future...
The FUTURE
12-21-05, 10:52 PM
The only way we will sign Clemens is if the yankees can deal away both Pavano and Wright, if we only dealt one, then we would still have a over-crowded pitching staff, I really hope ol'cash finds someone to take wright (idc what we get in return) and someone to take pavano in exchange for a good prospect.I really think the pitching staff needs an upgrade and Clemens is the only one I can think of who can upgrade it. Unless ol'cashy can make a trade for a top-of-the-line-starter (young guy).:D
CTyankeefan
12-22-05, 01:48 AM
I think the yanks are done. The dh spot needs to stay open so Giambi, Sheff and Bernie can be rotated into it. Bernie will play 4 times a week, maybe less, maybe more if he is hot.
This allows us flexibility on the roster from day-to-day. Bringing in another hitter doesn't help the yanks and handcuffs torre into playing guys everyday in 1 position. I think torre will rotate at the dh spot.
Terrence Long and Michael Tucker dont really hit righties that well and both arent that great at defense. Eric Byrnes would be a much better fit, hes younger, faster,better D and plays all OF positons then after him guys like DaVanon Chavez and Restovich would get offers before the yankees even thought about going after Long or Tucker. ;)
It would help your argument if you did a little research.
Eric Byrnes, over the course of his career has hit .241/.311/.397 against righties. His numbers last year were horrendous.
Contrary to popular belief, his hustle doesn't always translate into great defense, for every diving catch, there are also a decent number of misread liners to the gap. Long is a good defender with decent speed and a strong arm. Tucker isn't a gold glover, but he is a significant improvement over Gary Sheffield.
Also, when Byrnes turns 30 in February, Tucker will be 35, Long will be 29, Jeff DaVanon will be 32 and Michael Restovich will be 27. I'll take my chances with "older" guys.
DaVanon has slightly better numbers against righties over the course of his career, but this past season he performed very poorly against them.
Furthermore, there are rumors that Arizona has offered him a 2-year deal for regular playing time -- an offer we can't match.
Endy Chavez has never sported a +.300 OBP against righty pitching and is arguably a worse hitter than Tony Womack.
Michael Restovich has never had more than 84 ABs in a season and his career batting average against righties is .215.
The reason I chose Long and Tucker is because they will only ask for a 1 year deal and they are very competent hitters for the limited role I suggest for them
I think the yanks are done. The dh spot needs to stay open so Giambi, Sheff and Bernie can be rotated into it. Bernie will play 4 times a week, maybe less, maybe more if he is hot.
This allows us flexibility on the roster from day-to-day. Bringing in another hitter doesn't help the yanks and handcuffs torre into playing guys everyday in 1 position. I think torre will rotate at the dh spot.
I agree. Maybe Cashman waits until later in the off-season, and trades a starter, like Wright or Small, to some team looking for help, for a minor league prospect or 2. Sort of like the Womack deal.
Yanks Lifer
12-22-05, 05:22 AM
The Yankees are never done, they just take a 5 minute break now and then.
ring403
12-22-05, 06:48 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/376851p-320178c.html
With Johnny Damon having signed on as the new center fielder, Williams is expected to serve as part-time DH and backup outfielder. The Bombers are expected to give Williams some playing time in left and right field during spring training to see if he's a legitimate choice to play there on days that Hideki Matsui or Gary Sheffield is the DH; Bubba Crosby also provides a stronger defensive option in those situations. Landing Damon leaves the Yankees with little else to do before spring training. They would like to bring in a utility infielder - former Yankee and Met Miguel Cairo is a possibility - and will monitor the first base market, but are prepared to go forward with a combination of Jason Giambi and Andy Phillips at first.
vin777b
12-22-05, 07:25 AM
they really need to pursue Jason Michaels. Gary Sheffield is a DH.
they really need to pursue Jason Michaels. Gary Sheffield is a DH.
I couldn't agree more. Making Sheff the DH IMO also makes him a better hitter.
they really need to pursue Jason Michaels. Gary Sheffield is a DH.
The more I look at Michaels stats, the more I like him. He's gonna be only a prt time player there and would love to ahve him in RF here
Getting him takes away AB's from Bernie, Bubba and Andy- a big plus
NelsonMuntz
12-22-05, 08:55 AM
they really need to pursue Jason Michaels. Gary Sheffield is a DH.
Agree completely, but I don't see it happening.
apalradio
12-22-05, 09:02 AM
The more I look at Michaels stats, the more I like him. He's gonna be only a prt time player there and would love to ahve him in RF here
Getting him takes away AB's from Bernie, Bubba and Andy- a big plus
Didn't I just see a story the other day about Michaels being sentenced on some assault charge? There was also something about anger management counseling.
Didn't I just see a story the other day about Michaels being sentenced on some assault charge? There was also something about anger management counseling.
I think he assulted a cop, which makes you wonder about his maturity level.
ring403
12-22-05, 09:25 AM
Agree completely, but I don't see it happening.Not if the Phillies don't back off on their asking price.
The FUTURE
12-22-05, 10:12 AM
The reason I chose Long and Tucker is because they will only ask for a 1 year deal and they are very competent hitters for the limited role I suggest for them
I dont know if I fully agreed with everything you just said but, lets just say any of these guys would be an improvement, I think each guy would bring something different to the bench, Byrnes and Chavez might not be the best hitters in the world, yes, but they both bring speed and flexability to our bench. I dont think Long or Tucker can play all OF positions. I was looking at Long's numbers, and he would work too, but I think a team like Atlanta or someone who could offer him a full time starting job is where he will need up.
Didn't I just see a story the other day about Michaels being sentenced on some assault charge? There was also something about anger management counseling.
IF we get him Farnsworth can counsel him
NelsonMuntz
12-22-05, 10:38 AM
Not if the Phillies don't back off on their asking price.
That, plus I think the Yankees actually believe that Sheffield is fine in RF, Bernie is fine as DH, and Bubba is fine as the 4th OF. I completely disagree, but I'm not running the team.
The FUTURE
12-22-05, 10:39 AM
The more and more I think about it....the more and more I like it...What do yall feel about signing Juan Encarnacion to play RF and then move Shef to DH. He would bring Speed and Solid Defense to our OF. Letting our team look like this:
(Lets assume we sign Eduardo Perez, Roger Clemens(1-year deal, only way left to improve the Starting Lineup and Miguel Cairo Then trade Pavano and Wright for Prospects:D )
CF-J.Damon L
SS-D.Jeter R
1B-J.Giambi L
3B-A.Rodriguez R
DH-G.Sheffield R
LF-H.Matsui L
RF-J.Encarnacion R
2B-R.Cano L
C-J.Posada S
*When Sheffield plays in the OF, Perez becomes the DH
S1 R. Clemens R
S2 R. Johnson L
S3 M. Mussina R
S4 C. Wang R
S5 S. Chacon R
LR-A.Small (Longman)
LS-M.Myers (Lefty-specailist)
MR-S.Proctor
MR-R.Villone
SU-T.Sturtze***
SU-K.Farnsworth
CL-M.Rivera
***When Dotel returns Sturtze become a MR, and Proctor is DFA or Traded***
Bench
C Kelly Stinnett
1B/LF/DH Eduardo Perez
INF Miguel Cairo
OF/DH Bernie Williams (Pitch-Hit Specailist)
The only thing I dont like about this look is we dont have a solid backup OF, the Bernie signing really limits what we can do with our bench now :enraged:
YankClipper5
12-22-05, 10:55 AM
The only thing I dont like about this look is we dont have a solid backup OF, the Bernie signing really limits what we can do with our bench now :enraged:
It wouldn't be all that bad if we can sign Encarnacion. He has quite a bit of utility in the OF if I recall, so perhaps he can spell Matsui and Sheff start in RF and Spell Damon in CF to get them DH days. He would actually be an awesome signing. I really think we owed it to Bernie to sign him.
The only thing I dont like about this look is we dont have a solid backup OF, the Bernie signing really limits what we can do with our bench now :enraged:
Bernies earned the right to retire as a Yankee. He saved our freakin bacon more than once and without him we probably don't even win a WS in 96. Of course there are probably better options out there for our bench but Bernie is a true blue Yankee and has earned the right to return. He's still got a good eye, a little bit of pop, and can still round the bases pretty well.
Mr. Mxylsplk
12-22-05, 11:15 AM
Bernies earned the right to retire as a Yankee. He saved our freakin bacon more than once and without him we probably don't even win a WS in 96.
What does it mean to have earned the right to retire as a yank? If he wants to come back again in 2007 do we let him, because he's earned it? 2008? If you think he can still help the team, then it makes sense to have him back. But exactly how long after he can make meaningful contributions would the team owe him a roster spot because of what he did in the past?
What does it mean to have earned the right to retire as a yank? If he wants to come back again in 2007 do we let him, because he's earned it? 2008? If you think he can still help the team, then it makes sense to have him back. But exactly how long after he can make meaningful contributions would the team owe him a roster spot because of what he did in the past?
I'm not saying that we be 'ridiculous' about signing him based on his loyalty to the Yankees, i.e. I don't think the should sign him on those same merits beyond this year. But surely we can give this guy atleast 1 more year considering all that he's done for us, that's all I'm saying. After this year I'm fine to let him go regardless of what he wants to do. But it would just be nice to see that hopefully when Bernie calls it quits after this year there are no regrets or resentment on either side, and that's what i'm hoping for. Just let him the opportunity to retire with some respect. And who knows? Maybe this next year we'll get a glimpse of young bernie williams again, and there's really nothing better than that, cause it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
vin777b
12-22-05, 11:29 AM
Not if the Phillies don't back off on their asking price.
sturtze and henn (for michaels) is more than fair.
vin777b
12-22-05, 11:31 AM
Didn't I just see a story the other day about Michaels being sentenced on some assault charge? There was also something about anger management counseling._____
so.
YankClipper5
12-22-05, 11:45 AM
What does it mean to have earned the right to retire as a yank? If he wants to come back again in 2007 do we let him, because he's earned it? 2008? If you think he can still help the team, then it makes sense to have him back. But exactly how long after he can make meaningful contributions would the team owe him a roster spot because of what he did in the past?
Too an extent it does. I think Bernie will retire in the next year or 2 but I say he deserves to be a Yank. While I don't want to see the team suffer, I am curious as to how he will respond to a less physically demanding role. I mean he has a good eye and I think if he is focusing primarily on offense, he may complement the lineup nicely as a DH.
StatenIslandYankee
12-22-05, 11:50 AM
A DH is the next move. Piazza would not be a bad idea.
Mr. Mxylsplk
12-22-05, 11:51 AM
A DH is the next move. Piazza would not be a bad idea.
Hopefully the yanks will use both Giambi and Sheff at DH on occasion, and if that's the case, a DH who can't play anywhere in the field isn't a great idea.
StatenIslandYankee
12-22-05, 11:52 AM
What does it mean to have earned the right to retire as a yank? If he wants to come back again in 2007 do we let him, because he's earned it? 2008? If you think he can still help the team, then it makes sense to have him back. But exactly how long after he can make meaningful contributions would the team owe him a roster spot because of what he did in the past?
To be fair I don't mind Bernie in a Ruben spot. Pinch hit, DH if someone goes down, 5th OF spot in an emergency. ETC. Although his bat is not what it used to be, he still has some discipline to get quality AB's and hits if needed. Perfect PH/Utility guy.
StatenIslandYankee
12-22-05, 11:54 AM
Hopefully the yanks will use both Giambi and Sheff at DH on occasion, and if that's the case, a DH who can't play anywhere in the field isn't a great idea.
I'm thinking in terms of what contract he will get in relation to productivity. He can still be a useful bat in the lineup for what he will be paid. Durazo is another idea. Molina is a nice idea as well, but don't think we are going in the direction of platooning Posada at 1B/C all season.
LeapsNbounds
12-22-05, 01:26 PM
Who besides Phillips would Bernie be PHing for? Also, if he did PH for Phillips, who plays 1B? If he doesn't start at DH, he doesn't have a role on this team IMO. I love him to death, but I wish he would retire.
he could pinch hit for Cano if a tough lefty (BJ Ryan comes to mind) was on the mound in the 9th and we needed a run and/or baserunners
sundstrom
12-22-05, 01:35 PM
the funny thing is that womack would be the super utility guy we could use. can play OF and MI positions, can steal a base. can bunt.
The FUTURE
12-22-05, 01:35 PM
It wouldn't be all that bad if we can sign Encarnacion. He has quite a bit of utility in the OF if I recall, so perhaps he can spell Matsui and Sheff start in RF and Spell Damon in CF to get them DH days. He would actually be an awesome signing. I really think we owed it to Bernie to sign him.
Yeah I know...I just wish he would realize that its time to go...but hopefully now that hes only a DH/PH he will prove me wrong and have a good season...I forgot that Encarnacion can play CF too. That just makes me want to get him even more:)
vin777b
12-22-05, 01:51 PM
A DH is the next move. Piazza would not be a bad idea.
sorry. Piazza would be a terrible idea. This team needs youth, and athleticism. Piazza is neither. What he brings is power. But we don't need any more sluggers on this team (ie, all or nothing hitters).
Michaels should be our target (or an adequate RF'er). Sheff is DH material.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-22-05, 01:55 PM
sorry. Piazza would be a terrible idea. This team needs youth, and athleticism. Piazza is neither. What he brings is power. But we don't need any more sluggers on this team (ie, all or nothing hitters).
Michaels should be our target (or an adequate RF'er). Sheff is DH material.
Not to mention offensively the last two years he has been barely above average...
ICEBERG18
12-22-05, 02:09 PM
Erubiel Durazo-Erubiel Durazo-Erubiel Durazo-Erubiel Durazo-Erubiel Durazo-Erubiel Durazo.
If he doesn't work out it's a low risk, because he will most likely come cheap.
My new wishlist:
- Make a deal with the Pirates for Jody Gerut. He can be our rightfielder against RHP.
-Bring Miggy back to the Bronx.
-Try to acquire some AA prospects for Scott Proctor, Colter Bean and Aaron Small.
Ideally I want a bench as follows:
DH/PH: Bernie
OF: Gerut
OF: Bubba
IF: Cairo
IF: Phillips
C: Stinnett
We should carry 11 pitchers:
RJ, Mike, Carl, Shawn, Wang, Wright
Mo, Kyle, Tanyon, Myers, Villone
Dotel starts the season on the DL but one can assume that when he returns in early summer one of our starters will be injured.
Guys on the Columbus-Bronx shuttle:
Kevin Thompson, Jason Anderson, Jorge DePaula, Ramiro Mendoza, Kevin Howard, Felix Escalona
Erubiel Durazo-Erubiel Durazo-Erubiel Durazo-Erubiel Durazo-Erubiel Durazo-Erubiel Durazo.
And he will most likely come cheap.
Durazo would be a great hitter for the team but his inability to play the field makes him a bad fit for the Yankees.
Spiker101
12-22-05, 02:21 PM
My new wishlist:
- Make a deal with the Pirates for Jody Gerut. He can be our rightfielder against RHP.
-Bring Miggy back to the Bronx.
-Try to acquire some AA prospects for Scott Proctor, Colter Bean and Aaron Small.
Ideally I want a bench as follows:
DH/PH: Bernie
OF: Gerut
OF: Bubba
IF: Cairo
IF: Phillips
C: Stinnett
We should carry 11 pitchers:
RJ, Mike, Carl, Shawn, Wang, Wright
Mo, Kyle, Tanyon, Myers, Villone
Dotel starts the season on the DL but one can assume that when he returns in early summer one of our starters will be injured.
Guys on the Columbus-Bronx shuttle:
Kevin Thompson, Jason Anderson, Jorge DePaula, Ramiro Mendoza, Kevin Howard, Felix Escalona
You do realize that Gerut has been lost at the plate for nearly two seasons now?
You do realize that Gerut has been lost at the plate for nearly two seasons now?
His numbers in Cleveland this season getting traded were quite decent:
against RHP:
.284/.358/.390
and while 2004 was wiped out by injury, his rookie numbers in 2003 were quite impressive.
Yanksince66
12-22-05, 03:21 PM
When Nomar became an Artful Dodger (forgive the musical theater allusion), I kind of expected an announcement about Miguel Cairo. I wonder if maybe the Yanks are scanning the non-tenders to see if something a little more attractive might turn up.
Do you think?
When Nomar became an Artful Dodger (forgive the musical theater allusion), I kind of expected an announcement about Miguel Cairo. I wonder if maybe the Yanks are scanning the non-tenders to see if something a little more attractive might turn up.
Do you think?
Or contemplating trading a SP, for a utility guy and a DH? :dunno:
Yankyfan
12-22-05, 03:47 PM
Bernie is the DH and today Ms Waldman was saying the Yanks will look to bring Miggy back soon.
vin777b
12-22-05, 08:36 PM
someone on another board claims Sweeney reported Cairo to sign with the Marlins (for a starting job).
Yankyfan
12-22-05, 09:21 PM
Is there a link ? I did hear he was talking to the Marlins.
JeffWeaverFan
12-23-05, 02:23 AM
someone on another board claims Sweeney reported Cairo to sign with the Marlins (for a starting job).
Wow. I can't believe he got a starting job. Then again, the Marlins are pretty much a AAA team now.
I haven't heard this at all though so who knows.
NYDCYankee
12-23-05, 03:06 AM
Wow. I can't believe he got a starting job. Then again, the Marlins are pretty much a AAA team now.
I haven't heard this at all though so who knows.
He might be there All Star representative after Willis and Cabrera get traded to the Red Sox for Kelly Shoppach
vin777b
12-23-05, 07:32 AM
He might be there All Star representative after Willis and Cabrera get traded to the Red Sox for Kelly Shoppach
LoL. Was thinking the same thing.
nycdoc999
12-23-05, 07:38 AM
Wow!
Rotoworld is reporting the Dodgers might be interested in JD Drew for Wells.
I can't believe that the Dodgers would be that foolish - Wells received the most run support in the league last year and is 42 with declining peripherals....
If it is true - Cash better get on the phone and offer up some of our surplus starting pitching for Drew. Would allow Sheff to move to DH and vastly improve the OF defense. I'd be willing to do Chacon for Drew - though I'd prefer Pavano and eating some of his salary. Imagine this:
Jeter ss
Damon cf
ARod ss
Giambi 1b
Sheffield dh
Drew rf
Matsui lf
Posada c
Cano 2b
Bench:
Phillips
Williams
Stinett
Crosby
utility IF
Johnson
Mussina
Wang
Chacon/Pavano
Wright
Small
Sturtze
Villone
Myers
Farnsworth
Rivera
**Dotel in June**
Now THAT would be a team....
has Michael Cuddyer spent any 1b time? he would be a nice addition, and would come cheap since the twins picked up Rondell White
SINCE77 2
12-23-05, 10:19 AM
Wow!
Rotoworld is reporting the Dodgers might be interested in JD Drew for Wells.
I can't believe that the Dodgers would be that foolish - Wells received the most run support in the league last year and is 42 with declining peripherals....
If it is true - Cash better get on the phone and offer up some of our surplus starting pitching for Drew. Would allow Sheff to move to DH and vastly improve the OF defense. I'd be willing to do Chacon for Drew - though I'd prefer Pavano and eating some of his salary. Imagine this:
Jeter ss
Damon cf
ARod ss
Giambi 1b
Sheffield dh
Drew rf
Matsui lf
Posada c
Cano 2b
Bench:
Phillips
Williams
Stinett
Crosby
utility IF
Johnson
Mussina
Wang
Chacon/Pavano
Wright
Small
Sturtze
Villone
Myers
Farnsworth
Rivera
**Dotel in June**
Now THAT would be a team....
Maybe the Dodgers know that JD Drew was a poor investment and are trying to pawn a horrible contract off on Boston. After playing a whole 70+ games last year I believe that the Dodgers realize that 2004 was an exception and not a rule with regard to Drew and his health. The Dodgers can keep him.
vin777b
12-23-05, 10:24 AM
no way, would i send Chacon for Drew.
all considered, no sane NYY fan would.
nycdoc999
12-23-05, 10:28 AM
72 Games was an aberration, even for JD Drew.
Here are his games played since 2000:
135
109
135
100
145
72
Rotate him in at DH with Sheff and Matsui, and I think you get a guy that will be able to play 120-140 games per season. If we can get him for Pavano, it'll essentially be a wash in terms of money....
No brainer IMO. When he's healthy - and that's, admittedly, not all the time - our lineup would be unrivaled. Our defense would improve. And Pavano's "excess" for us anyway, with 7 starting pitchers....
ICEBERG18
12-23-05, 11:07 AM
72 Games was an aberration, even for JD Drew.
Here are his games played since 2000:
135
109
135
100
145
72
Rotate him in at DH with Sheff and Matsui, and I think you get a guy that will be able to play 120-140 games per season. If we can get him for Pavano, it'll essentially be a wash in terms of money....
No brainer IMO. When he's healthy - and that's, admittedly, not all the time - our lineup would be unrivaled. Our defense would improve. And Pavano's "excess" for us anyway, with 7 starting pitchers....
If we could get him for Pavano, i would have done it yesterday.
SINCE77 2
12-23-05, 11:39 AM
72 Games was an aberration, even for JD Drew.
Here are his games played since 2000:
135
109
135
100
145
72
Rotate him in at DH with Sheff and Matsui, and I think you get a guy that will be able to play 120-140 games per season. If we can get him for Pavano, it'll essentially be a wash in terms of money....
No brainer IMO. When he's healthy - and that's, admittedly, not all the time - our lineup would be unrivaled. Our defense would improve. And Pavano's "excess" for us anyway, with 7 starting pitchers....
He has a 5 year / 55mill deal, does he not? Pavano has a 4/40 deal. Both are injury prone and were essentially poor signings. Why get back an injury risk for Pavano, when we could get a younger/healthier and cheaper player for him?
nycdoc999
12-23-05, 03:50 PM
Because younger and cheaper do not equate to BETTER.
JD Drew is an all star when healthy. A top flight outfielder who can play either CF or RF, can hit, hit for power, run, and throw.
Pavano could not fetch a young player who projects like JD Drew (Crawford, Crisp, etc), but could get us Drew himself. The money's a wash, and we ensure he stays healthy by rotating him some at DH.
Gives the Dodgers an alternative to Weaver, who would cost as much and is not as good, and Wells, who may be better than Pavano next year but is 42 and likely, as his numbers bear out from last year, starting a precipitous decline.
Cash should kick the tires....
AMYanks
12-23-05, 04:39 PM
Pavano for Drew would be insane. I would cry tears of joy.
Evil Empire
12-23-05, 04:48 PM
Pavano for Drew would be insane. I would cry tears of joy.
Oh dear Lord, I agree. I would love to have him here. Just where does he hit :lol:
SINCE77 2
12-23-05, 09:43 PM
Because younger and cheaper do not equate to BETTER.
JD Drew is an all star when healthy. A top flight outfielder who can play either CF or RF, can hit, hit for power, run, and throw.
Pavano could not fetch a young player who projects like JD Drew (Crawford, Crisp, etc), but could get us Drew himself. The money's a wash, and we ensure he stays healthy by rotating him some at DH.
Gives the Dodgers an alternative to Weaver, who would cost as much and is not as good, and Wells, who may be better than Pavano next year but is 42 and likely, as his numbers bear out from last year, starting a precipitous decline.
Cash should kick the tires....
Then why aren't the Dodgers letting the world know that Drew isn't available? I sure that prior to signing Drew the Dodgers said:
"JD Drew is an all star when healthy. A top flight outfielder who can play either CF or RF, can hit, hit for power, run, and throw."
Now the Dodgers feel differently and have offered him up for pitching. Go figure.
keithf1
12-23-05, 09:49 PM
Anyone have an article on this?
MR STEINBRENNER 27
12-24-05, 03:25 AM
we still need to sign Miguel Cairo and Roger Clemens.
longtimeyankeefan
12-24-05, 06:41 AM
72 Games was an aberration, even for JD Drew.
Here are his games played since 2000:
135
109
135
100
145
72
Rotate him in at DH with Sheff and Matsui, and I think you get a guy that will be able to play 120-140 games per season. If we can get him for Pavano, it'll essentially be a wash in terms of money....
No brainer IMO. When he's healthy - and that's, admittedly, not all the time - our lineup would be unrivaled. Our defense would improve. And Pavano's "excess" for us anyway, with 7 starting pitchers....
How is it an aberation when every other year he plays less than 110 games? Seems to me its a pattern, not an aberation.
Yukon Cornelius
12-24-05, 09:30 AM
Does anyone have a link for this or is it just wishful thinking at this point? :confused:
The FUTURE
12-24-05, 02:54 PM
I know some people in this Forum want the Yankees to sign Roger Clemens. Some people believe this is a good idea, others think he is to old and to much money. Well What about Kevin Millwood. He is younger than Clemens and still have a good 5 year left in him. His record wasnt all that great last year. But with his Low ERA and our potential 2006 lineup, Millwood would have won 20 games last year.
What do yall think??
I know some people in this Forum want the Yankees to sign Roger Clemens. Some people believe this is a good idea, others think he is to old and to much money. Well What about Kevin Millwood. He is younger than Clemens and still have a good 5 year left in him. His record wasnt all that great last year. But with his Low ERA and our potential 2006 lineup, Millwood would have won 20 games last year.
What do yall think??
Umm, we already have 7 starting pitchers.
Pavano and Wright are owed $17 million next season.
Randy is owed $16 million.
Moose is owed $19 million.
We don't need another 30-something injury risk in the $10 million+ range.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-24-05, 03:38 PM
Would take Drew for Pavano in a heartbeat...
flymick24
12-24-05, 03:59 PM
i highly doubt cashman is looking for another top flight OFer at this point
The FUTURE
12-24-05, 04:20 PM
Umm, we already have 7 starting pitchers.
Pavano and Wright are owed $17 million next season.
Randy is owed $16 million.
Moose is owed $19 million.
We don't need another 30-something injury risk in the $10 million+ range.
Well we wouldnt keep all 7 pitchers
Trade wright plus cash to PIT for RHP Matt Paterson (DFA) or OF/1B Craig Wilson
Trade Pavano to LAD for prospects...maybe someone like Jonathan Broxton, Chuck Tiffany,Dioneer Navarro or Xavier Paul something like that.
Millwood wouldnt be an injury risk either, just because somebody has been on the DL once or twice doesnt mean there going to need up like Jaret Wright. I think we could be him for 3-yr 32 million something like that. Kinda like Damon's deal, more money, less years.
Johnson
Millwood
Mussina
Wang
Chacon
--or--
Clemens
Johnson
Mussina
Wang
Chacon
Take your pick...we have to add to our SP somehow
Well we wouldnt keep all 7 pitchers
Trade wright plus cash to PIT for RHP Matt Paterson (DFA) or OF/1B Craig Wilson
Trade Pavano to LAD for prospects...maybe someone like Jonathan Broxton, Chuck Tiffany,Dioneer Navarro or Xavier Paul something like that.
Millwood wouldnt be an injury risk either, just because somebody has been on the DL once or twice doesnt mean there going to need up like Jaret Wright. I think we could be him for 3-yr 32 million something like that. Kinda like Damon's deal, more money, less years.
Johnson
Millwood
Mussina
Wang
Chacon
--or--
Clemens
Johnson
Mussina
Wang
Chacon
Take your pick...we have to add to our SP somehow
Do you really think that the Pirates, who already have guys like Zach Duke, Oliver Perez and Paul Maholm, would want Jaret Wright? Craig Wilson is an attractive option but he would fetch a lot more than an injury-riddled right-hander with a steep price tag.
The FUTURE
12-24-05, 04:25 PM
I think if we payed some of wright's contract they would want him to replace Josh Fogg, Remember Wright is nasty when he plays for Small Market teams;)
I think if we payed some of wright's contract they would want him to replace Josh Fogg, Remember Wright is nasty when he plays for Small Market teams;)
Such as San Diego and Cleveland?
Wright has had exactly ZERO seasons with more than 200 innings and ONE season with an ERA below 4.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to get Craig Wilson, the fact is that we would need to offer Pittsburgh a player that they want, not just one that we don't.
nycdoc999
12-24-05, 08:03 PM
Rotoworld reported the possibility of maybe Drew for Wells, which I don't think is likely b/c (a) the Dodgers are getting nothing for him and (b) I don't think they need to dump salary given their recent signings and Colletti saying he has money to sign another top pitcher.
BUT - my point is, if it is a possibility, THEN Cashman should offer up Pavano for Drew. Pavano is a better ROI for Drew than Wells, and would pitch well in spacious Dodger stadium. He's signed for 3 more years at not insane money (after all - Esteban Loiza (!?!) got 3/$21M this offseason!) if he performs up to expectations. There are questions about whether he really wants to be here. Would be a good deal for both sides.
JD Drew plays an average of more than 110 games per season since 2000. 72 is 35% than his average - which, to me, is an aberration - NOT the norm (the norm would be 110, just as 145 games might be an aberration the other way). Rotating him in at DH and all three OF spots might spare some wear and tear on not only his but also Sheffield, Damon, and Matsui's bodies. He is a TREMENDOUS hitter when he plays - much better than Wilkerson, Reed, Michaels, or any of those guys. Better, numbers-wise, than Matsui. AND, he's a top notch defender. Of course, he costs more money than the above-mentioned OFs, but, if healthy, he's worth it.
Of course, that's the big question mark in the whole thing. IF he stays healthy.
The bottom line is, no combination of Pavano/Small/Wright is gonna get us Wilkerson or Reed. Michaels maybe - but if we're gonna trade pitching, why not get a FULL TIME player that would relagate Bernie to PH duties?
shotgun_sam
12-24-05, 08:48 PM
Do you really think that the Pirates, who already have guys like Zach Duke, Oliver Perez and Paul Maholm, would want Jaret Wright? Craig Wilson is an attractive option but he would fetch a lot more than an injury-riddled right-hander with a steep price tag.
*coughing, wiping tears, catching breath*
whew...ok, gimme a sec....
Oliver Perez. That's too funny.
*coughing, wiping tears, catching breath*
whew...ok, gimme a sec....
Oliver Perez. That's too funny.
very clever, kid
Oliver Perez is 24 years old and was a Cy Young contender last season.
He struggled with injuries this year but is still incredibly talented.
Anyone who doesn't recognize what an asset he is to the Pirates isn't the sharpest one out there.
Yankyfan
12-24-05, 11:09 PM
For what its worth Bruce from flushing called Jodie Mac today and said he was told the Yanks are looking into trading for another arm.Bruce does have a source. Who Im not sure but he has had some good info in the past.
nycdoc999
12-24-05, 11:16 PM
Who would they trade for another arm?
All they've got are arms (albeit, mediocre ones)!?!
Johnson
Pavano
Mussina
Wright
Chacon
Wang
Small
Just as starters
Sturtze
Myers
Villone
Proctor
Farnsworth
Rivera
Dotel (June)
in the pen!
That's 13-14 arms - we can only carry 11, maybe 12 at the most. At least 2 of those pitchers have to go. Fine, Proctor is the first one out - he's obvious. He sucks. We can move Small to the pen, and the pen looks set until Dotel comes back in June. But what do we do with Wright? Cut him? He might actually be healthy, in which case we'd have to try and pitch him. That, of course, would be a disaster. I'd rather leave him in our version of exile - "extended" spring training in Tampa....
Adding another arm makes little to no sense, unless they're planning on trading Small +/- Pavano for an OF (PLEASE let it be Wilkerson!) - in which case, I say - Cashman, you are BRILLIANT!
:P
Okay, here is my outlandish and unrealistic suggestion for the offseason.
There is a clause in the contract of Jose Vidro that says that he can become a free agent if the team isn't sold by the end of 2005. It is possible that the move to DC nullified that part of the contract, it is also probable that he will choose not to exercise it because his injury struggles may result in him wanting to ensure that he still gets the $19 million left on his deal.
The word out of Washington is that his injury problems aren't going away and despite having a good bat, his legs aren't sustaining him as a regular second baseman. Furthermore, the acquisition of Alfonso Soriano means that the Nationals are definately considering Vidro's health and looking to replace him or shift him to another position.
I am also aware that Washington currently has three rotation spots filled for next season with a bunch of AAA hurlers and injury risks pencilled in to compete for the last two slots.
I would be curious to see what would transpire if Brian Cashman were to discuss this dilemma with Jim Bowden.
Brian could say "Hey Jim, I've got this pitcher we've got to pay $7 million next season and I don't think we have a rotation spot for him"
Jim may reply "Wow Brian, I've got this infielder who I owe $7 million next season but his legs don't seem to be great and we just traded for an upgrade"
Brian would respond with "Well Jim, just a few weeks ago we were looking to sign this infielder with a good bat and an injury history to be our 1st baseman/DH"
Jim's reaction might be "Well I've been trying to attract a decent starting pitcher to DC but they are getting so expensive!"
Brian could then say "Eureka! I think I may have an idea!"
Yankees get Jose Vidro and $3 million
Nationals get Jaret Wright and Jorge DePaula
Some of you may feel that the Nationals can get more for Vidro because he was an All-Star caliber player as recently as 2003. I have been paying pretty close attention to the Nationals sports coverage and the reality for Vidro isn't what it used to be. Since 2002 he has averaged 114 games a season and only played 197 over the past two years. His numbers are strong when he is on the field but he hasn't justified the $30 million+ contract he signed before the 2004 season. Washington brought Soriano in for a reason and since he won't play the outfield, they want to either open up 1st base for Vidro or find a team that will take him and his salary. The Yankees can do that and they can throw in a pitcher as well.
I picture it this way:
Yankees play Vidro at DH for 70 games, 2nd Base for 20 games, 1st base for 20 games.
Nationals plug Wright into their rotation and use DePaula in long relief.
The net spending would potentially only be $4 million in 2008.
The 6th starter position will be filled by Aaron Small with Matt DeSalvo, Sean Henn and Scott Proctor waiting at Columbus. If Small can't cut it as a reliever, Jason Anderson and Colter Bean all have the potential to be decent inning-eaters. Truthfully though, if Dotel comes back healthy and effective, I would probably have Villone and Sturtze split the longman duties.
I was opposed to bringing Bernie back but I could picture a situation like this:
Bernie will be used primarily for pinch-hitting but would also start 50 games at DH and perhaps 5 in the outfield.
Sheffield will frequently be substituted for late-inning defensive replacements and will also see 25 games at DH.
Giambi will also receive the defensive replacement treatment but only start perhaps 15 games at DH.
The remaining few games will go to Posada or Matsui if they need some time off.
Anyone who supported the signing of Nomar should like this proposal. The only difference is that the Yankees would be able to unload a bad pitching contract while getting a player who actually has some experience at 1st base (started 11 games there).
Vidro is a hell of a good hitter whose days as an everyday infielder may be numbered due to lingering knee and ankle problems. I think that this is a move that would end our pitching logjam, improve our bench, have a negligible impact on our payroll and put the finishing touch on a potentially devastating lineup.
Imaging a midseason Yankee roster looking like this:
Damon CF
Jeter SS
A-Rod 3B
Giambi 1B
Sheffield RF
Matsui LF
Vidro DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Bench:
Stinnett
Crosby/Thompson
Bernie
Cairo/Escalona
Phillips
Rotation:
Johnson
Mussina
Pavano
Chacon
Wang
Bullpen:
Mo
Farnsworth
Dotel
Sturtze
Myers
Villone
Payroll = $20 million below the 2005 level
I can't promise that I won't concoct another outlandish acquisition strategy, but this one has been bubbling in my head for a while and I wanted to put it down on paper.
Hope you guys find it interesting!
Spiker101
12-25-05, 09:20 AM
Okay, here is my outlandish and unrealistic suggestion for the offseason.
There is a clause in the contract of Jose Vidro that says that he can become a free agent if the team isn't sold by the end of 2005. It is possible that the move to DC nullified that part of the contract, it is also probable that he will choose not to exercise it because his injury struggles may result in him wanting to ensure that he still gets the $19 million left on his deal.
Two questions for all you guys that lust to trade away pitching in December: Have you ever heard the expression, you can never have too much pitching. And do any of you remember last season, the season in which, correct me if I'm wrong, the Yanks have FOUR starters on the DL.and a fifth starter, age 78, nurse an aching back all season?
Now stop this silly talk, so I can get a decent night's sleep. Please.
Two questions for all you guys that lust to trade away pitching in December: Have you ever heard the expression, you can never have too much pitching. And do any of you remember last season, the season in which, correct me if I'm wrong, the Yanks have FOUR starters on the DL.and a fifth starter, age 78, nurse an aching back all season?
Now stop this silly talk, so I can get a decent night's sleep. Please.
It is true that you can never have too much pitching. However, by giving up someone who doesn't have a rotation spot, you aren't giving up that much. I would feel somewhat content giving a rotation spot to guys like Aaron Small, Scott Proctor, Ramiro Mendoza or Sean Henn if it became absolutely necessary.
SINCE77 2
12-25-05, 11:54 AM
Okay, here is my outlandish and unrealistic suggestion for the offseason.
There is a clause in the contract of Jose Vidro that says that he can become a free agent if the team isn't sold by the end of 2005. It is possible that the move to DC nullified that part of the contract, it is also probable that he will choose not to exercise it because his injury struggles may result in him wanting to ensure that he still gets the $19 million left on his deal.
The word out of Washington is that his injury problems aren't going away and despite having a good bat, his legs aren't sustaining him as a regular second baseman. Furthermore, the acquisition of Alfonso Soriano means that the Nationals are definately considering Vidro's health and looking to replace him or shift him to another position.
I am also aware that Washington currently has three rotation spots filled for next season with a bunch of AAA hurlers and injury risks pencilled in to compete for the last two slots.
I would be curious to see what would transpire if Brian Cashman were to discuss this dilemma with Jim Bowden.
Brian could say "Hey Jim, I've got this pitcher we've got to pay $7 million next season and I don't think we have a rotation spot for him"
Jim may reply "Wow Brian, I've got this infielder who I owe $7 million next season but his legs don't seem to be great and we just traded for an upgrade"
Brian would respond with "Well Jim, just a few weeks ago we were looking to sign this infielder with a good bat and an injury history to be our 1st baseman/DH"
Jim's reaction might be "Well I've been trying to attract a decent starting pitcher to DC but they are getting so expensive!"
Brian could then say "Eureka! I think I may have an idea!"
Yankees get Jose Vidro and $3 million
Nationals get Jaret Wright and Jorge DePaula
Some of you may feel that the Nationals can get more for Vidro because he was an All-Star caliber player as recently as 2003. I have been paying pretty close attention to the Nationals sports coverage and the reality for Vidro isn't what it used to be. Since 2002 he has averaged 114 games a season and only played 197 over the past two years. His numbers are strong when he is on the field but he hasn't justified the $30 million+ contract he signed before the 2004 season. Washington brought Soriano in for a reason and since he won't play the outfield, they want to either open up 1st base for Vidro or find a team that will take him and his salary. The Yankees can do that and they can throw in a pitcher as well.
I picture it this way:
Yankees play Vidro at DH for 70 games, 2nd Base for 20 games, 1st base for 20 games.
Nationals plug Wright into their rotation and use DePaula in long relief.
The net spending would potentially only be $4 million in 2008.
The 6th starter position will be filled by Aaron Small with Matt DeSalvo, Sean Henn and Scott Proctor waiting at Columbus. If Small can't cut it as a reliever, Jason Anderson and Colter Bean all have the potential to be decent inning-eaters. Truthfully though, if Dotel comes back healthy and effective, I would probably have Villone and Sturtze split the longman duties.
I was opposed to bringing Bernie back but I could picture a situation like this:
Bernie will be used primarily for pinch-hitting but would also start 50 games at DH and perhaps 5 in the outfield.
Sheffield will frequently be substituted for late-inning defensive replacements and will also see 25 games at DH.
Giambi will also receive the defensive replacement treatment but only start perhaps 15 games at DH.
The remaining few games will go to Posada or Matsui if they need some time off.
Anyone who supported the signing of Nomar should like this proposal. The only difference is that the Yankees would be able to unload a bad pitching contract while getting a player who actually has some experience at 1st base (started 11 games there).
Vidro is a hell of a good hitter whose days as an everyday infielder may be numbered due to lingering knee and ankle problems. I think that this is a move that would end our pitching logjam, improve our bench, have a negligible impact on our payroll and put the finishing touch on a potentially devastating lineup.
Imaging a midseason Yankee roster looking like this:
Damon CF
Jeter SS
A-Rod 3B
Giambi 1B
Sheffield RF
Matsui LF
Vidro DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Bench:
Stinnett
Crosby/Thompson
Bernie
Cairo/Escalona
Phillips
Rotation:
Johnson
Mussina
Pavano
Chacon
Wang
Bullpen:
Mo
Farnsworth
Dotel
Sturtze
Myers
Villone
Payroll = $20 million below the 2005 level
I can't promise that I won't concoct another outlandish acquisition strategy, but this one has been bubbling in my head for a while and I wanted to put it down on paper.
Hope you guys find it interesting!
Yankees will pursue a buyout (kicked in when Wright spent more than 75 days on DL) of Wrights contract after the 2006 season. The buyout is less than 50% of the original amount owed to Wright. Wrights contract isn't bad enough to rationalize taking on Vidro's salary. If any pitcher should be traded, it should be Pavano.
YankeePride1967
12-25-05, 11:54 AM
It is true that you can never have too much pitching. However, by giving up someone who doesn't have a rotation spot, you aren't giving up that much. I would feel somewhat content giving a rotation spot to guys like Aaron Small, Scott Proctor, Ramiro Mendoza or Sean Henn if it became absolutely necessary.
I don't remember what year it was (2001 or 2002) but one of those years we were 7 deep in pitching and everyone thought it was a problem and we were dumb for not trading one away. By May 1 we were looking for pitching on the trade market due to injures. Given our pitchers combined age and injury proneness I am not one that would be in too much of a haste to trade them away yet.
YankeePride1967
12-25-05, 11:56 AM
People have to understand that with $11 million guaranteed coming to him ($7 million in 2006 and a $4 million buyout of his 2007 contract), Jaret Wright has no trade value unless we send $8 million along with him. The man has had one decent year since 1998.
SINCE77 2
12-25-05, 11:59 AM
People have to understand that with $11 million guaranteed coming to him ($7 million in 2006 and a $4 million buyout of his 2007 contract), Jaret Wright has no trade value unless we send $8 million along with him. The man has had one decent year since 1998.
Correct. Yankees are better off just keeping him. (I didn't realize that his buyout was more than 50% of the original contract)
YankeePride1967
12-25-05, 12:03 PM
Correct. Yankees are better off just keeping him. (I didn't realize that his buyout was more than 50% of the original contract)
If we did move him, I wouldn't take a Vidro back, especially since we already have Cano there. And I am not a believer in paying other teams to take our players.
ANSKYcm
12-25-05, 12:07 PM
If we did move him, I wouldn't take a Vidro back, especially since we already have Cano there. And I am not a believer in paying other teams to take our players.
Im not a fan of Vidro under any circumstance
SINCE77 2
12-25-05, 12:08 PM
If we did move him, I wouldn't take a Vidro back, especially since we already have Cano there. And I am not a believer in paying other teams to take our players.
If anything, Wright is a Devil Ray killer so he has some value. We really should just keep all of our starting pitching and use some of the bullpen guys to round out our offense.
The man has DH written all over him. Vidro has great plate discipline, power to all fields and 20+ HR potential. It is my understanding the Washington doesn't know what to do with him, I think the Yankees would give him a good home.
Regarding Wright's buyout -- any team that we trade him to will have to make their own determination regarding his third year. It is entirely possible that pitching in a massive park like RFK with regular starts against the Phillies and Marlins, he could put together a fine season.
Snatch Catch
12-25-05, 12:28 PM
Rape Pittsburgh for Craig Wilson. They're stupid- they don't realize his value.
He's a butcher in the field, making him prime DH material for an AL club. I bet he could be had for far below his actual value.
ShaneTravis
12-25-05, 12:41 PM
If anything, Wright is a Devil Ray killer so he has some value. We really should just keep all of our starting pitching and use some of the bullpen guys to round out our offense.
Take your pick. Highly unlikely Yanks carry 13 on their roster. If the Yanks want to upgrade DH/4th OF--- there has to be a match with some team in the league that would find Tanyon, Proctor or Small attractive.
Randy Johnson
Mike Mussina
Carl Pavano
Shawn Chacon
Chien-Ming Wang
Jaret Wright
Aaron Small
Mariano Rivera
Mike Myers
Octavio Dotel
Kyle Farnsworth
Tanyon Sturtze
Ron Villone
Colter Bean
Matt Smith
Jorge De Paula
T.J. Beam
Jason Anderson
Scott Proctor
Matt DeSalvo
Sean Henn
ShaneTravis
12-25-05, 12:48 PM
Craig Wilson. They're stupid- they don't realize his value.
He's a butcher in the field, making him prime DH material for an AL club. I bet he could be had for far below his actual value.
Pitt is talking to Captain America's agent it looks like they may sign him. He would certainly take at bats away from Craig.
Why in the world they would want Eric over Wilson is beyond me.
Rape Pittsburgh for Craig Wilson. They're stupid- they don't realize his value.
He's a butcher in the field, making him prime DH material for an AL club. I bet he could be had for far below his actual value.
I think he could be a very solid acquisition.
He has some decent hands at 1B but he is decidedly Ruben-esque in the outfield.
I say go for it.
Yankyfan
12-25-05, 01:56 PM
Vidro makes too much and is always hurt.I'll pass.
I think he could be a very solid acquisition.
He has some decent hands at 1B but he is decidedly Ruben-esque in the outfield.
I say go for it.
The Craig Wilson that struck out 169 times last year?
PASS.
Yankyfan
12-25-05, 01:59 PM
Wilson would be better off going to say a KC type team then being a bench guy for us at this point .
Spiker101
12-25-05, 04:10 PM
It is true that you can never have too much pitching. However, by giving up someone who doesn't have a rotation spot, you aren't giving up that much. I would feel somewhat content giving a rotation spot to guys like Aaron Small, Scott Proctor, Ramiro Mendoza or Sean Henn if it became absolutely necessary.
How do you know in December whether Small or Wright or whoever doesn't have a spot in the rotation? Unless you have a crystal ball and if so, I'd appreciate some stock market tips. The Yanks are one pulled hamstring away from having no starting pitching surplus at all, and a pulled hamstring and a sore elbow away from a full-blown crisis. You don't trade pitching depth in December. In late March with RJ, Moose, Pavano, Wang and Chacon all pitching well and in the pink of health, then we can have this conversation. Otherwise, let us just cool our jets. There's nothing the team needs offensively or defensively that would justify trading away pitching depth at this point.
(BTW, I've seen Sean Henn pitch in the majors leagues. It's not going to happen. And Mendoza has a fastball a slow man can outrun.)
Snatch Catch
12-25-05, 04:40 PM
Wilson would be better off going to say a KC type team then being a bench guy for us at this point .
Wilson would be the starting DH.
The Craig Wilson that struck out 169 times last year?
PASS.
No the one that has a career 120 OPS+, one point off Jeter's career OPS+. I say we get him if he comes easy.
goin for 27
12-25-05, 09:28 PM
The Craig Wilson that struck out 169 times last year?
PASS.
You can decide you do not want Wilson if you like, but NOT because he can't hit.
His numbers are great in OBP, OPS, OPS+, and SLG.
Everyone makes outs. Strike outs are meaningless when every other metric is very solid.
Yankyfan
12-25-05, 09:32 PM
I heard Cash say he was going to rotate the Dh spot to give Sheff and others a blow. Bernie will also get a lions share time at DH.
Kulish29
12-26-05, 02:27 AM
Rape Pittsburgh for Craig Wilson. They're stupid- they don't realize his value.
He's a butcher in the field, making him prime DH material for an AL club. I bet he could be had for far below his actual value.
I like this idea. If they can get him for cheap, they should try.
Matt Stairs wouldnt be a bad option for a DH only spot too.
jew4jeter
12-26-05, 03:03 AM
I've been noticing a lot of posts suggesting that we trade Small. I disagree with that completely. Although he may be a 1 year wonder, I would hate to find out otherwise if he continues to pitch well, on another team. As we've seen time and time again, you can never have enough pitching...
NewEraYanks2527
12-26-05, 08:52 AM
He's a butcher in the field, making him prime DH material for an AL club. I bet he could be had for far below his actual value.
That right there is exactly why I would not want him, he is one dimensional, although strong in that dimension, one dimensional players will hurt this team. Giambi and Sheff need to rotate at DH, we do not need an everyday DH, that spot can always be filled by people already on the team.
Snatch Catch
12-26-05, 09:15 AM
That right there is exactly why I would not want him, he is one dimensional, although strong in that dimension, one dimensional players will hurt this team. Giambi and Sheff need to rotate at DH, we do not need an everyday DH, that spot can always be filled by people already on the team.
He can play first and the OF. He just isn't that good, and shouldn't be a team's first option on defense.
If the Yanks acquired him, he wouldn't be.
That right there is exactly why I would not want him, he is one dimensional, although strong in that dimension, one dimensional players will hurt this team. Giambi and Sheff need to rotate at DH, we do not need an everyday DH, that spot can always be filled by people already on the team.
Shrek says hi.
W/o a dh, youre left w/ Bernie getting a large number of AB's @ dh. His defense is awful as well. If he hadn't been re-signed it would ahve made things a lot easier.
Ideally we would get someone better in the field than Wilson, but any option is better than giving Bernie a lot of AB's
longtimeyankeefan
12-26-05, 09:58 AM
W/o a dh, youre left w/ Bernie getting a large number of AB's @ dh. His defense is awful as well. If he hadn't been re-signed it would ahve made things a lot easier.
Since when is the DH a defensive position? Bernie's defense is of no concern if he is going to be a part-time DH.
I have no problem with Bernie as a DH getting 300 ABs - my guess is that he will rebound and give us a .275/15/60 season in those 300 AB.
The rest of the DH ABs will be split amongst Sheff, Giambi, Posada, and Matsui - no small potatoes there either.
yanksphan
12-26-05, 09:58 AM
Speaking of possible DHs...
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1135552209308&call_pageid=968867503640&col=970081593064
When asked if Larry Walker would play for Canada, agent Pat Rooney said no, because his client is still bothered by neck problems.
He added, though, that if Walker feels better next spring, he would consider resuming his career, preferably in the AL as a designated hitter, with an occasional appearance in the field.
Not sure if I'd like him on the Yanks, but should be interesting to see what he could do in a new league, and without enduring the physical demand of playing in the field.
flymick24
12-26-05, 10:06 AM
i'd prefer we sign a RFer and shift sheffield to DH... not sign a DH and keep sheff in right
Shrek says hi.
W/o a dh, youre left w/ Bernie getting a large number of AB's @ dh. His defense is awful as well. If he hadn't been re-signed it would ahve made things a lot easier.
Ideally we would get someone better in the field than Wilson, but any option is better than giving Bernie a lot of AB's
If the Red Sox want to send over Ortiz or if the Indians would care to let the Yankees have Hafner, I'd be all for the Yankees having one of those guys as a full time DH. Since those teams probably won't be so generous, I'd much rather have a guy who can play a position that would allow the Yankees to rotate the DH around the team in order to give players a semi day off as the DH.
Spiker101
12-26-05, 10:15 AM
i'd prefer we sign a RFer and shift sheffield to DH... not sign a DH and keep sheff in right
Such as?
flymick24
12-26-05, 10:20 AM
Such as?
jason michaels
Ghost of Thurman
12-26-05, 10:22 AM
jason michaels
He's not a free agent, so we can't just "sign" him. If we could we probably would have done so already.
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