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joesalto
12-21-05, 12:59 AM
with Damon, looks like our work is done, let me know if I missed anything.boy, top 6 of the lineup is scary!
CF Damon
SS Jeter
LF Matsui
3B A-Rod
RF Sheffield
1B Giambi
C Posada
2B Cano
DH Williams
backup outfield - Bubba
backup infield - Cairo/Phillips??
backup catcher - Stinnett
Pitching
Johnson
Mussina
Pavano
Wang
Chacon
Wright
Small
Sturtze
Myers
Vallone
Dotel
Farnsworth
Rivera
seems the only move left is a backup infielder, or do we cut a pitcher and add to the bench?
ICEBERG18
12-21-05, 01:09 AM
with Damon, looks like our work is done, let me know if I missed anything.boy, top 6 of the lineup is scary!
CF Damon
SS Jeter
LF Matsui
3B A-Rod
RF Sheffield
1B Giambi
C Posada
2B Cano
DH Williams
backup outfield - Bubba
backup infield - Cairo/Phillips??
backup catcher - Stinnett
Pitching
Johnson
Mussina
Pavano
Wang
Chacon
Wright
Small
Sturtze
Myers
Vallone
Dotel
Farnsworth
Rivera
seems the only move left is a backup infielder, or do we cut a pitcher and add to the bench?
If Bernie is our DH our work is not done.
dabomb2045
12-21-05, 01:10 AM
how about Durazo for DH??
ICEBERG18
12-21-05, 01:11 AM
how about Durazo for DH??
:D :D
joesalto
12-21-05, 01:15 AM
so we have to add another bench guy to get done and an open invite for Clemens. I give Cashman a B+ this offseason..he should get an A just for finding someone to take Womack!
flymick24
12-21-05, 01:16 AM
the bench is horrible right now
i like durazo though
Sheff_Rod
12-21-05, 01:20 AM
Lineup looks great on paper, but we say that every year. Hopefully this year will be diff.
27IsNext
12-21-05, 01:23 AM
We need to do that trade with Philly for Michaels (RF) and move Sheff to 1B/DH. Then fill the bench with USEFUL players, and we're set.
joesalto
12-21-05, 01:31 AM
We need to do that trade with Philly for Michaels (RF) and move Sheff to 1B/DH. Then fill the bench with USEFUL players, and we're set.
we'd have to move Sturtze and Proctor. I dont know if the Phils would take it since Boston needs a centerfielder now
I already posted this but that Damon thread is insane and is more applicable here anyway.
We have 13 pitchers and don't need a CF anymore. insane trade mania for defensive RF and 1B/DH solution commence now now now
Dooley Womack
12-21-05, 01:33 AM
I'm concerned about Giambi breaking down. I think 1st base should be addressed even for defensive purposes.
mickey mantle
12-21-05, 01:36 AM
I'm concerned about Giambi breaking down. I think 1st base should be addressed even for defensive purposes.
no love for andy phillips?
I'm concerned about Giambi breaking down. I think 1st base should be addressed even for defensive purposes.
I think Phillips would be ok to give Giambi a few days to DH a week.
joesalto
12-21-05, 01:36 AM
I already posted this but that Damon thread is insane and is more applicable here anyway.
We have 13 pitchers and don't need a CF anymore. insane trade mania for defensive RF and 1B/DH solution commence now now now
It seems we have 4 chips right now to fill that need. Do we use them now or wait till July
Sturtze, Proctor, Small and Bubba(to find a better hitting defensive outfielder)
Sheff_Rod
12-21-05, 01:38 AM
It seems we have 4 chips right now to fill that need. Do we use them now or wait till July
Sturtze, Proctor, Small and Bubba(to find a better hitting defensive outfielder)
Our chips suck..
mickey mantle
12-21-05, 01:39 AM
Our chips suck..
I agree, how much could we really got for those three?
joesalto
12-21-05, 01:40 AM
I agree, how much could we really got for those three?
we are only looking to fill out our bench. I think Proctor or Small can yield the most
Dooley Womack
12-21-05, 01:41 AM
no love for andy phillips?
I think Phillips would be ok to give Giambi a few days to DH a week.
I think the Yanks should have their eyes on a more permanent solution. And, mm? Who wouldn't want a Phillips on their team????
ZYanksRule
12-21-05, 01:45 AM
I want more bullpen help. I'm really not sold on Farnsworth/Sturtze as our set up guys. I'd LOVE to get Tavarez, though be careful, because Dotel will be readyby May/June.
That being said, I'd like another set up guy. Remember how the Angels beat us. Their bullpen is amazing. I want ours' to be like that. It's not there yet.
We also need some more cogs for the bench, but I'm alot less concerned about that.
mickey mantle
12-21-05, 01:46 AM
backup outfield - Bubba
backup infield - Cairo/Phillips??
backup catcher - Stinnett
seems the only move left is a backup infielder, or do we cut a pitcher and add to the bench?
what about escalona? cant he be a backup guy next year or no?
joesalto
12-21-05, 01:54 AM
what about BJ Surhoff? He can play 1st, pinch hit and some outfield if needed. he is a FA. We can get him for 1 year. He also was born in the area.
downside - AGE
conkermaniac
12-21-05, 02:23 AM
what about BJ Surhoff? He can play 1st, pinch hit and some outfield if needed. he is a FA. We can get him for 1 year. He also was born in the area.
downside - AGE
He hit .257...I'm not sure he would be much of an upgrade over Bernie, and he bats left.
SupaYankee13
12-21-05, 02:46 AM
I just realized Durazo was a free agent....(I was wondering where all of this Durazo love came from).....commence bitch-slapping NOW.
But honestly.....I'm lukewarm about the Damon signing because it fills two needs for now, and hopefully we don't trade away Melky Cabrera or do anything stupid to our farm system because in the last half of that contract is when we start bringing up some more prospects that project to be with us for a while.....yeah, all we need is a backup infielder and here comes AL East pennant number something in a row (I lost count)
BornYank21
12-21-05, 03:05 AM
I think the bullpen is set (great job by Cash, he did about as well as it was possible to do this offseason imo). I think Cairo will be the utility guy, Stinnett backup C, (which I'm not thrilled about, but it's done)Crosby 4th OF/pinchrunner, and Bernie switch-hit pinchitter/occasional starter. Honestly, although we need a backup 1B because of Giambi's fragility, (too bad the drays kept Lee) I want to see Jason out there pretty much every day because throughout his career he has been SUCH a better hitter when he's playing the field...makes up for his limited range and poor throwing. So if we wanted to go get J.T. Snow or someone like that, alright, but I want to see Jason in the field.
So the big hole is DH. I would have loved to see Nomar come, but he didn't want to. I wouldn't mind seeing Bernie DH now and then, but not every day. What are some other options besides Durazo. Of course we could use our pitching cornucopia to pry someone away. Getting Michaels for right and dh-ing sheff would be nice.
Another thing I'd like to see, although I know it won't happen, is this: Bengie Molina missed out on a big long-term deal this year, and I read that he wants to get a one year deal and try for a multi-year deal next offseason. Wouldn't it be great to sign him to play catcher this year, even for a one year deal, and have Jo Po DH? Molina's better defensively, less wear and tear would slow Jorge's decline, and since he wouldn't be starting at catcher, his massive option wouldn't kick in. He probably wouldn't be thrilled about that, but I would love to see it happen.
We need to do that trade with Philly for Michaels (RF) and move Sheff to 1B/DH. Then fill the bench with USEFUL players, and we're set.
I agree that the Y's have one more move like this to make. Get another OFer with a good bat and arm and legs to play RF and allow Shef to spend most of his time rotating with Giambi at first and DH and spending little lime in RF. Signing Cairo for utility IF and Bernie as a PH and 5th OFer, partly for sentimental sake I admit, then would round out a 14 player and 11 pitcher roster.
The move might be best made in ST, however. As others, including Cash, have said, teams look for pitching then and the Y's bargaining leverage will be even greater. Michaels would be a good option. But there might be even a better deal to be made.
Of course the Y's could spend more and sign Jacques Jones for this spot, but I don't believe they will given the payroll.
chelloveck
12-21-05, 06:51 AM
seems the only move left is a backup infielder, or do we cut a pitcher and add to the bench?
C A I R O !
FelipePArantes
12-21-05, 07:22 AM
there's no way to keep 13 Pitchers in this team. I hope they trade Pavano ASAP. Get some prospects and add a utility man to Bench.
BeantownYankee
12-21-05, 07:44 AM
I'm concerned about Giambi breaking down. I think 1st base should be addressed even for defensive purposes.
I agree. Until Giambi has two good seasons in a row I remain nervous about 1B.
allstarcano22
12-21-05, 07:54 AM
If Nomar came it would have been perfect, i was real upset when he went to the dodgers... i think we should go have Durazo but i think Cashman is done.
We've stockpiled pitchers, but I think the Yanks should wait until spring training to see how things shake out with ours guys and what needs other teams have. Like Cashman has said, last year proves you don't have to add all the pieces before the opening bell.
Kulish29
12-21-05, 10:06 AM
If the Yankees could somehow swing a trade for Abreu for a package including Pavano, that would solve some problems. Having Sheff DH a lot of the time instead of playing RF would be nice.
NelsonMuntz
12-21-05, 10:08 AM
The team is not complete. We did address two of our biggest weaknesses, but we have no DH and the bench stinks right now.
it appears cash is "in charge" this year, more so then ever before !!! so anything is possible after ST , but cash is not going to make any hasty moves !!! would you with this lineup ???
Dent6577
12-21-05, 10:12 AM
If Bernie is our DH our work is not done.
I agree, kind of defeats the purpose of a DH if you use him in the 9th slot.
Our chips suck..
We still have Melky and Henn in case one of them can net a player like Michaels (who would play at least 1/2 the year in RF and a bunch more backing up elsewhere). And those chips that you are talking about suck individually, but together they could get 1 good bench player (some teams, like the Phillies/Mariners etc need pitching. Small and Sturtze would be considered)
Panamaniac42
12-21-05, 10:16 AM
I'd like to see Cairo get done and find an adequate 1b/rf.
iWant27
12-21-05, 10:19 AM
how about Durazo for DH??
I would rather have Sheff as DH if Yankees could find someone for RF who is good defensively and has a speed and above average offensively . Sheff would have lot better numbers offensively if he plays DH .
justinvarnes
12-21-05, 10:24 AM
FWIW - ESPN's Bottom Line reports that the yanks have agreed to a one year deal with Bernie. I assume that just makes official what we all knew.
YankeesRule51
12-21-05, 11:13 AM
Too many pitchers. You need more players on the bench. I cut one bullpen pitcher and place him to the minors. Short of hitters is no good. It's better to have at least 4 on the bench.
RhodeyYankee2638
12-21-05, 11:14 AM
If the Yankees could somehow swing a trade for Abreu for a package including Pavano, that would solve some problems. Having Sheff DH a lot of the time instead of playing RF would be nice.
Hmmm, that would be gorgeous
Too many pitchers. You need more players on the bench. I cut one bullpen pitcher and place him to the minors. Short of hitters is no good. It's better to have at least 4 on the bench.
The only pitcher on that list who has options is Wang. Maybe Small could make it through waivers, but no one else would.
rivera,s cutter
12-21-05, 11:56 AM
i see cairo coming as the utility backup infielder,and i hope we go for durazo,having bernie DH for an entire season worries me especially batting ninth
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-21-05, 01:36 PM
Bernie would suck as a DH, he cant hit,
BornYank21
12-21-05, 02:07 PM
I think Cashman has done a tremendous job this offseason, fulfilling his two stated needs (pen and cf) without giving up our good young talent. I think 2 moves remain before we can call it a roster: sign Miguel Cairo, which based on his recent comments should be a piece of cake, and trade for Jason Michaels, moving Sheff to DH, which completes the lineup and improves the defense. They asked for Proctor and Henn, I think I'd do that...I'd rather keep Henn, so explore other options, but get Michaels.
True Yankee-ette13
12-21-05, 02:13 PM
That lineup looks filthy, but Bernie should be a bench player at this point, IMHO.
We need a DH and to strengthen the bench a bit. Everything else looks good.
Kluivert4Ever
12-21-05, 02:26 PM
That lineup looks filthy, but Bernie should be a bench player at this point, IMHO.
We need a DH and to strengthen the bench a bit. Everything else looks good.
I agree, my prefrence would be to strenghten the outfield some more as well and by getting a solid defender at RF we can move Sheff to DH and solve two problems at once.
BornYank21
12-21-05, 03:03 PM
Kluivert, you may need to edit your sig...there have been some developments... ;)
keithf1
12-21-05, 03:42 PM
why does everyone keep putting posada ahead of cano in the batting order?
AMYanks
12-21-05, 05:38 PM
Jason Michaels and Erubiel Durazo/Eduardo Perez should definitely be looked at. We need to upgrade the bench. Although, Michaels would probably play RF, with Sheffield moving to DH.
JfromJersey
12-21-05, 06:03 PM
One of the following will not be a Yankee when the season starts:
Pavano
Wright
Chacon
We're not going North with 6 starters. Small is the perfect long relief/spot starter type. I hope Chacon stays because he deserves to based on performance to cost. I'd like to see what a healthy Pavano could do for us next season. Wright would be my odd man out, but would be the hardest to move.
Jglaubman
12-21-05, 06:09 PM
One of the following will not be a Yankee when the season starts:
Pavano
Wright
Chacon
We're not going North with 6 starters. Small is the perfect long relief/spot starter type. I hope Chacon stays because he deserves to based on performance to cost. I'd like to see what a healthy Pavano could do for us next season. Wright would be my odd man out, but would be the hardest to move.
I agree with you completely. I want to trade Wright, but he probably wouldn't get us anything. There is no way I trade Chacon. And pavano would probably bring back the most in a trade, which would result in Small or Wright going into the rotation (which I'm not crazy about.) If we trade Pavano, we would have to get a starter back in return.
yankeebot
12-21-05, 06:13 PM
I would rather trade Pavano than Wright. Because of the DL buyout we are only on the hook for 1 more season with Wright. We will have Pavano for 3 more and, unless he surprises us, any value he may currently have will dissipate with a mediocre season.
conkermaniac
12-21-05, 07:26 PM
Cashman has done a tremendous job, but we still have a weak outfield defensively. Cash should continue to pursue a fast young outfielder with a good arm and a decent bat. That would allow us to put Sheff in DH where he belongs. Then we can safely say that the rebuilding of this team is complete.
Cashman has done a tremendous job, but we still have a weak outfield defensively. Cash should continue to pursue a fast young outfielder with a good arm and a decent bat. That would allow us to put Sheff in DH where he belongs. Then we can safely say that the rebuilding of this team is complete.
Who, amico mio?
The FUTURE
12-21-05, 07:44 PM
I think we should sign OF Eric Byrnes to be our 4th outfielder, he would be a perfect fit,can play all OF positions,good defense,good speed,does any and everything asked of him to win. Also I think we should add 1B/DH Eduardo Perez to the bench. WE should also sign CF Endy Chavez...but now that we have added Bernie, there's no room:( . But we still need to atleast try to sign him to a Minor League Deal.
I dont think we should deal Sturtze right now, we should wait until Dotel is back and has proved he is still Dotel and then we could afford to trade him.
(Unless it involves getting a good young pitcher for the starting lineup;) )
We also need to improve our starting pitching, im just clueless to how we're going to pull that one off tho. :( Any Ideas??
and on a meaning-less move, I think we should sign Dewon Brazelton to a Minor-League Deal. This guy is still very young (only 25-years-old) and has loads of potential. We would be improve our minor-league depth and you never know, he could bounce back from a horrible season he had last year.
conkermaniac
12-21-05, 08:05 PM
Who, amico mio?
Trade a reliever for Jason Michaels or one of the other names that was being bandied about before we signed Damon.
That lineup looks filthy, but Bernie should be a bench player at this point, IMHO.
We need a DH and to strengthen the bench a bit. Everything else looks good.
Actually our lineup is at best the same as last year. We need to get Bernie out of there ASAP and replace him with a real hitter.
JeffWeaverFan
12-21-05, 08:08 PM
If Bernie is our DH our work is not done.
Yep, it partially negates our offensive advantages at other positions. We should have at least a league average offensive DH.
Yankee26t
12-21-05, 08:11 PM
Our middle relief is still a question mark?
Mariano is not a LOCK anymore.(need to start looking or grooming a young'un)
Starting Rotation is question mark
We need to replace Posada. How many more rally-killing, inning ending double plays do we have to endure from this guy?
NewEraYanks2527
12-21-05, 08:11 PM
Actually our lineup is at best the same as last year. We need to get Bernie out of there ASAP and replace him with a real hitter.
How is it "at best the same as last year" Bernie is out of center, Ruben is off the team. The key to the DH spot is having it be Sheff more and looking at a solid defensive corner OFer we dont need a real hitter for DH, we have that in Sheff.
Yankee26t
12-21-05, 08:12 PM
Cashman has done a tremendous job, but we still have a weak outfield defensively. Cash should continue to pursue a fast young outfielder with a good arm and a decent bat. That would allow us to put Sheff in DH where he belongs. Then we can safely say that the rebuilding of this team is complete.
I dunno... I like Gary ShefFIELD of DREAMs rocket arm in the outfield.
conkermaniac
12-21-05, 08:12 PM
Actually our lineup is at best the same as last year. We need to get Bernie out of there ASAP and replace him with a real hitter.
Damon replaces Bernie.
Bernie replaces Tino/Sierra
Our lineup is clearly better than last year's. :dunno:
NewEraYanks2527
12-21-05, 08:12 PM
Mariano is not a LOCK anymore.(need to start looking or grooming a young'un)
You are right he is not a lock, he is just the best damn closer in the league and is coming off of one of the best years of the career.
NewEraYanks2527
12-21-05, 08:13 PM
I dunno... I like Gary ShefFIELD of DREAMs rocket arm in the outfield. I will not trade that arm for lack of range, you can get more guys catching the ball than you can throwing them out.
conkermaniac
12-21-05, 08:14 PM
I dunno... I like Gary ShefFIELD of DREAMs rocket arm in the outfield.
His arm is okay, but his range is terrible.
AMYanks
12-21-05, 08:14 PM
Our middle relief is still a question mark?
Mariano is not a LOCK anymore.(need to start looking or grooming a young'un)
Starting Rotation is question mark
We need to replace Posada. How many more rally-killing, inning ending double plays do we have to endure from this guy?
Rivera, even at his age, is still the closest a reliever can get to being a lock, perhaps in baseball history.
AMYanks
12-21-05, 08:17 PM
Actually our lineup is at best the same as last year. We need to get Bernie out of there ASAP and replace him with a real hitter.
I think our lineup is better. Damon, this year, will be a lot better than the output we got from Bernie/Crosby/Womack/etc. We'll also have the good Giambi for the entire year, instead of just the second half. Cano should continue to improve, and I think in the end the bench will be better. I don't expect Sheffield to regress significantly enough to offset the other factors.
How is it "at best the same as last year" Bernie is out of center, Ruben is off the team. The key to the DH spot is having it be Sheff more and looking at a solid defensive corner OFer we dont need a real hitter for DH, we have that in Sheff.
Damon replaces Bernie.
Bernie replaces Tino/Sierra
Our lineup is clearly better than last year's. :dunno:
Sheff's a year older. A-rod probably won't have the monster season he had this year. Posada will suck even more. Bernie's in the lineup. No bench.
With that said this can all change with the right aquisitions.
Yankee26t
12-21-05, 08:18 PM
Rivera, even at his age, is still the closest a reliever can get to being a lock, perhaps in baseball history.
All I am saying is that we need to start looking. He was so vital to winning for all those years. It would be a shame to have all those hitters and no one to save the games. If not this year then next... '
I just dont want to wait til last minute. Its smart to start now.
AMYanks
12-21-05, 08:19 PM
All I am saying is that we need to start looking. He was so vital to winning for all those years. It would be a shame to have all those hitters and no one to save the games. If not this year then next... '
I just dont want to wait til last minute. Its smart to start now.
You make it seem like Rivera will go from having his best season ever, to someone who won't be able to save games. The middle relief is already a lot better than it was last year, as well.
All I am saying is that we need to start looking. He was so vital to winning for all those years. It would be a shame to have all those hitters and no one to save the games. If not this year then next... '
I just dont want to wait til last minute. Its smart to start now.
Who do you have in mind?
NewEraYanks2527
12-21-05, 08:28 PM
A-rod probably won't have the monster season he had this year.
Are you serious? The guy hasn't even turned 30 yet, he's now had 2 full years in New York, one of which he won the MVP. He will have a great year, expect more of the same.
AMYanks
12-21-05, 08:32 PM
Are you serious? The guy hasn't even turned 30 yet, he's now had 2 full years in New York, one of which he won the MVP. He will have a great year, expect more of the same.
Not to nit-pick, but he did turn 30 this past summer. ;)
Are you serious? The guy hasn't even turned 30 yet, he's now had 2 full years in New York, one of which he won the MVP. He will have a great year, expect more of the same.
In 2005 A-rod tied his career year of 2000. I doubt he's gonna have an OPS+ of 167 again. He'll probably be closer to his career OPS+ of 145.
AMYanks
12-21-05, 08:45 PM
In 2005 A-rod tied his career year of 2000. I doubt he's gonna have an OPS+ of 167 again. He'll probably be closer to his career OPS+ of 145.
I see it being closer to 160. The OPS+ of the current A-Rod is really over 150, but 2004 and him getting a ton of ABs at an early age brings his overall number down to 145. You also have to factor in the people around him, the protection he receives from them. And that he is 30 years old, last year quite possibly was the beginning of a 3-4 year run in his prime where he has his best seasons.
joesalto
12-21-05, 10:44 PM
why does everyone keep putting posada ahead of cano in the batting order?
because Torre will like having 3 quicker baserunners Cano 9th, Damon 1st and Jeter 2nd in a row.
I wouldn't mind batting Posada 9th though, it will reduce his atbats and keep him fresher for the season. We do not need Posada to be an offensive star. 280ba, 20hr and 80rbi's will be good enough with this lineup.
I think everyone in this line up except ARod, Jeter and Cano will DH this season. The only time ARod, Jeter or Cano will DH is a minor injury to keep them fresh but not to play the field
The FUTURE
12-21-05, 11:00 PM
Eric Byrnes: RF :D
Gary Sheffield: DH :D
Bernie Williams: BENCH :D
I LOVE IT ;)
conkermaniac
12-22-05, 04:10 AM
Sheff's a year older. A-rod probably won't have the monster season he had this year. Posada will suck even more. Bernie's in the lineup. No bench.
With that said this can all change with the right aquisitions.
Sheff's a year older; I'll give you that. But that doesn't mean he can't have an even better season. If he is used in the DH role more often, giving him more rest, I can see him putting up better offensive numbers. But I can definitely see A-Rod putting up similar numbers again. He's still in his prime.
I also predict a rebound year from Posada. 2005 wasn't all decline for him--he made great strides defensively. I'm willing to write off last year as a fluke; I don't believe Posada is done just yet. High OBP people just don't go downhill that fast. I remember people said he was done after the 01 or 02 season (can't remember which), and he came back to have one of his best offensive seasons.
Bernie's in the lineup but in a new role. He's replacing Sierra and Tino, and he's a clear improvement over those two.
moose antlers
12-22-05, 11:01 AM
I think we are set except for DH. Bernie would be a great pinch hitter and I love his leadership but I don't think he can start. Really any hitter can hit in DH spot though, so it should be easy to find one. It wouldnt have to be someone like Hafner though I think it would be good to try and get him. But without giving up Cano or Wang maybe we would have to settle for Sammy Sosa instead?
Hitman23
12-22-05, 11:09 AM
maybe we would have to settle for Sammy Sosa instead?:roflmao:
centerfield
12-31-05, 12:20 PM
One thing I have come to expect, is that something unexpected will happen before the end of Spring. I hope I am pleasantly surprised.
Mattpat11
12-31-05, 12:54 PM
because Torre will like having 3 quicker baserunners Cano 9th, Damon 1st and Jeter 2nd in a row.
I guess Cano's quicker than Posada...
shotgun_sam
12-31-05, 12:59 PM
I'm concerned about Giambi breaking down. I think 1st base should be addressed even for defensive purposes.
oohhhh lets hurry and sign JT Snow since 1st base defense is so god-awful important.
Giambi gets a bad rap, but the truth is that he catches fairly well for 1st base, and can field balls out of the dirt better than most.
Just don't ask him to run into RF for a fly or throw whatsoever.
Does it matter? He's not as bad as Ortiz, and the fact that the Yanks passed on Olerud and Snow should tell you they don't think it's a problem. And oh yeah, Giambi hits better when he plays first; sorry but it's true.
shotgun_sam
12-31-05, 01:00 PM
Eric Byrnes: RF :D
Gary Sheffield: DH :D
Bernie Williams: BENCH :D
I LOVE IT ;)
except Byrnes will be playing in Phoenix this year.
Mattpat11
12-31-05, 01:12 PM
oohhhh lets hurry and sign JT Snow since 1st base defense is so god-awful important.
Giambi gets a bad rap, but the truth is that he catches fairly well for 1st base, and can field balls out of the dirt better than most.
Just don't ask him to run into RF for a fly or throw whatsoever.
Does it matter? He's not as bad as Ortiz, and the fact that the Yanks passed on Olerud and Snow should tell you they don't think it's a problem. And oh yeah, Giambi hits better when he plays first; sorry but it's true. I think the real problem is that Giambi can't play both positions at once. Regardless of whether or not you think Giambi is going to play first well, we need another 1B/DH
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-31-05, 01:23 PM
I want pavano traded, a quality starter, a decent right fielder/1b
27IsNext
12-31-05, 01:32 PM
One of the following will not be a Yankee when the season starts:
Pavano
Wright
Chacon
We're not going North with 6 starters. Small is the perfect long relief/spot starter type. I hope Chacon stays because he deserves to based on performance to cost. I'd like to see what a healthy Pavano could do for us next season. Wright would be my odd man out, but would be the hardest to move.
If Cashman has the final call, Pavano and Chacon will be starters, and Wright will be the long man out of the pen. If Joe makes the call, Chacon will be the long man. Either way, all three of them are staying. It's any of the following that will likely be traded: Small, Proctor, and Sturtze.
Phillips is the starting 1Bman and Giambi is the starting DH.
Yankees Empire
12-31-05, 01:47 PM
Sheff's a year older; I'll give you that. But that doesn't mean he can't have an even better season. If he is used in the DH role more often, giving him more rest, I can see him putting up better offensive numbers. But I can definitely see A-Rod putting up similar numbers again. He's still in his prime.
I also predict a rebound year from Posada. 2005 wasn't all decline for him--he made great strides defensively. I'm willing to write off last year as a fluke; I don't believe Posada is done just yet. High OBP people just don't go downhill that fast. I remember people said he was done after the 01 or 02 season (can't remember which), and he came back to have one of his best offensive seasons.
Bernie's in the lineup but in a new role. He's replacing Sierra and Tino, and he's a clear improvement over those two.
I hope your right about Posada. Still, I think you fail to take into consideration the number of games Posada has caught behind the plate. That takes a brutal toll on a guy's back and knees. Though the player might be a "High OBP" type, that type of workload on a catcher can bring about a sudden and percipitous drop in production. While he might maintain his 2005 levels of production, I seriously don't see how Jorge Posada, given his age and workload, is going to improve on them. I think he's in the decline phase of his carrer.
I think the 2006 Yankees will be much like Gary Sheffield's 2005- Awfully productive, but fragile, and not always running at 100%. Whether we have enough resources (starting pitching especially!) to counter these inevitable physical realities will determine the fate of the 2006 Yankees.
Pitching depth is an issue.
Moose and Randy have logged nearly a thousand starts over the past decade and a half. I think that one of them hits the DL during 2006. Carl and Jaret are about even money to miss starts next season. Wang, Small and Chacon have been revelations but part of the reason they received such little hype was because of their problems with health and consistency.
I'm glad that we have potentially 7 starters at our disposal for next season. My only concern is that we will send away the wrong one.
how about Durazo for DH??
I know this guy is an offensive gem but does he have any defensive value whatsoever? Could he possibly play RF freeing Sheffield to DH or is he pretty much a tree out there?
Kluivert4Ever
12-31-05, 02:33 PM
Kluivert, you may need to edit your sig...there have been some developments... ;)
Will do, man, will do ;)
ryanthe13th
12-31-05, 02:43 PM
If we sign another player, it has to be an utility man or a 1B man. We do NOT need another outfielder with Bernie and Bubba waiting. Bernie sucks, but to have 3 OF's on a team when we have Kevin Reese in the minors is retarded.
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-31-05, 02:46 PM
If we sign another player, it has to be an utility man or a 1B man. We do NOT need another outfielder with Bernie and Bubba waiting. Bernie sucks, but to have 3 OF's on a team when we have Kevin Reese in the minors is retarded.
so we get rid of Bubba?
ryanthe13th
12-31-05, 02:47 PM
so we get rid of Bubba?
Who would take him? He is a valuable bench player IMO, if I DFA anyone I'd sadly DFA Berniie.
longtimeyankeefan
12-31-05, 03:01 PM
If Cashman has the final call, Pavano and Chacon will be starters, and Wright will be the long man out of the pen. If Joe makes the call, Chacon will be the long man. Either way, all three of them are staying. It's any of the following that will likely be traded: Small, Proctor, and Sturtze.
Phillips is the starting 1Bman and Giambi is the starting DH.
1. Why do people believe that Wright will make an effective reliever? Hasn't anyone looked at his numbers as a reliever? As bad as he is as a starter, he is twice as bad (statistically) as a reliever.
2. Phillips is the backup 1Bman. Bernie Williams is the starting DH. Giambi is the starting 1Bman and will play a minimum of 120 games at 1B.
pikapp107
12-31-05, 03:42 PM
how about Durazo for DH??
What about Durazo? His numbers were worse than Bernies last year, he makes almost 5 mil a year, can't play any field position and does not have the post season experience as Bernie. Enjpy Bernie while he is here it's not everyday you have a player and person of his caliber on the team. Granted he's past his prime but he is still more than serviceable.
The FUTURE
12-31-05, 04:34 PM
Ive been thinking about this for awhile...I just dont know if it would work....anybody think the LAD would trade LHP Odalis Perez for RHP Carl Pavano ???
shotgun_sam
12-31-05, 05:04 PM
I think the real problem is that Giambi can't play both positions at once. Regardless of whether or not you think Giambi is going to play first well, we need another 1B/DH
I don't disagree with this. I say yeah, we need Sheff at DH or another hitter there. But it shouldn't be Giambi. He's at 1B, and we don't need gold glove defense there. 1B and RF (especially at Yankee Stadium) are the places we can get away without having web gems every night from.
shotgun_sam
12-31-05, 05:04 PM
Ive been thinking about this for awhile...I just dont know if it would work....anybody think the LAD would trade LHP Odalis Perez for RHP Carl Pavano ???
I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem. Except it would make our pitching staff worse. :(
Lineup looks great on paper, but we say that every year. Hopefully this year will be diff.
Well, we have been 2nd to the Sox in most offensive categories the past couple of years, and the Red Sox have been slightly better cause of their production at Fenway. So its not like the lineup has been a bust, its just that as fans we have unrealistic expectations of this team scoring 1000 runs and no player having an off year. It rarely works out that way.
AMYanks
12-31-05, 06:50 PM
What about Durazo? His numbers were worse than Bernies last year, he makes almost 5 mil a year, can't play any field position and does not have the post season experience as Bernie. Enjpy Bernie while he is here it's not everyday you have a player and person of his caliber on the team. Granted he's past his prime but he is still more than serviceable.
He was injured last year, which caused a drop in his numbers, and he missed 75% of the season. When healthy, he is a very, VERY good hitter.
Mattpat11
01-01-06, 04:28 PM
I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem. Except it would make our pitching staff worse. :(It wouldn't make the team worse (Pavano's no good either) But it wouldn't improve it either. Not worth the paper work.
Saxmania
01-01-06, 04:36 PM
If Brian Cashman isn't working very hard at the moment to make the 2006 team better than it currently is, he doesn't deserve to be GM. The current roster will be competitive and probably the favorite to win the AL East, but that doesn't make it a good postseason team or as good as it easily could become. We need a better bench and/or a good RF or DH (preferably RF, as Sheffield is a poor defensive solution).
Sturtze/Proctor plus Henn for Michaels.
Be seeing you,
Saxmania
YankeeStripes
01-01-06, 04:48 PM
i think if bernie were JUST a dh he would be ok. He could probably hit .255 with 15 hr, and at least make enough contact to move runners over and stuff.
Mattpat11
01-01-06, 05:00 PM
If Brian Cashman isn't working very hard at the moment to make the 2006 team better than it currently is, he doesn't deserve to be GM. The current roster will be competitive and probably the favorite to win the AL East, but that doesn't make it a good postseason team or as good as it easily could become. We need a better bench and/or a good RF or DH (preferably RF, as Sheffield is a poor defensive solution).
Sturtze/Proctor plus Henn for Michaels.
Be seeing you,
Saxmania Now that the threat of Bubba has passed, Phillips isn't as bad for DH/1B.
Its still a bad move because we shouldn't willingly put a black hole in the lineup, but we're no longer staring a Posada/Phillips/Crosby inning in the face.
That said, I'd much prefer a major league calibre player.
Yankees1962
01-01-06, 05:05 PM
If Brian Cashman isn't working very hard at the moment to make the 2006 team better than it currently is, he doesn't deserve to be GM. The current roster will be competitive and probably the favorite to win the AL East, but that doesn't make it a good postseason team or as good as it easily could become. We need a better bench and/or a good RF or DH (preferably RF, as Sheffield is a poor defensive solution).
Sturtze/Proctor plus Henn for Michaels.
Be seeing you,
Saxmania
What the roster is on January 1st doesn't mean a damn thing. I'm more concern with the roster on September 1st when it comes to being a good postseason team and Cashman is always looking to improve the team.
YankeePride1967
01-01-06, 06:18 PM
What the roster is on January 1st doesn't mean a damn thing. I'm more concern with the roster on September 1st when it comes to being a good postseason team and Cashman is always looking to improve the team.
Exactly. Brian Cashman has done what he set out to do to date. Improve the team without depleting the farm any more. Some can argue that we overpaid for Damon, but if we did, it was with dollars.
Now that the threat of Bubba has passed, Phillips isn't as bad for DH/1B.
Its still a bad move because we shouldn't willingly put a black hole in the lineup, but we're no longer staring a Posada/Phillips/Crosby inning in the face.
That said, I'd much prefer a major league calibre player.
There was never a threat of Bubba in CF for 2006.
robt_jayy72
01-01-06, 09:03 PM
i am think we should start a eric barnes rally .......thats just it bernie at dh in the 9th spot is just crazy ...or molina would be nice
hardrain
01-03-06, 09:36 AM
so we get rid of Bubba?
With Bernie signed, Bubba is more valuable than ever as an extra outfielder. Sheffield will need some DH stints this year, and Bernie as a corner outfielder scares me. I wouldn't be surprised if Bubba gets 150-170 plate appearances and a lot of defensive time in the OF.
38Special
01-03-06, 09:54 AM
i am think we should start a eric barnes rally .......thats just it bernie at dh in the 9th spot is just crazy ...or molina would be nice
what.
BostonYankeeBoy
01-03-06, 11:15 AM
I think Bernie will provide enough production at dh simply because of the talent around him in the line up, with any other team I think Bernie DH'ing would really hurt them. All he has to do is move runners along and put up good at bats, one less than all star calibre player will not hurt this team much. Of course I wish we could bring in a great hitter to dh but Bernie will be sufficient.
joesalto
01-03-06, 07:36 PM
With Bernie signed, Bubba is more valuable than ever as an extra outfielder. Sheffield will need some DH stints this year, and Bernie as a corner outfielder scares me. I wouldn't be surprised if Bubba gets 150-170 plate appearances and a lot of defensive time in the OF.
I think guys like Bubba will see plently of playing time and AB's. If our bullpen is consistantly better and we have a lead of 4-5 runs or more, Torre will rest guys like Shef, Matsui, Giambi more. I would expect that everyone in the lineup will gets 1-2 less AB's a week than last year except guys like Jeter, AROD, Cano.
Resting of players and bench player time will also be subject to the Yanks having a good start and a lead in the AL east. I think the guys were just exhausted having to fight every game from mid May through the last week of the season.
With Bernie signed, Bubba is more valuable than ever as an extra outfielder. Sheffield will need some DH stints this year, and Bernie as a corner outfielder scares me. I wouldn't be surprised if Bubba gets 150-170 plate appearances and a lot of defensive time in the OF.
With Bernie signed there is a much greater need for a ballplayer much better than Bubba.
i am think we should start a eric barnes rally .......thats just it bernie at dh in the 9th spot is just crazy ...or molina would be nice
I Sheffield not gonna rite pool Center stop when it you cookie.
genius-24
01-04-06, 01:06 AM
I think many ppl here are forgetting very important thing when they talk about dealing for micheals...
Before all star break, every year, every team always needs to address some kind of issue to improve their club and that time trade is the main option. Going into last season, everyone of us were confident that our team will be fine. But did that really happen? HELL NO. Who saved us...those two prospects who were dealt for chacon. Those type trades come every year in the middle of the season. that's why saving our chips for late season trade is vital.
Henn, Proctor, sturtz and rest of the chips shouldnt get traded right now for bench purposes because it really isnt that big of a deal. We also have our farm system of back up our bench in significant need, despite it being significantly dry.
Currently our roster is fine. I hope cash & joe keep phillips to back up giambi and don't sign durazo, although durazo would improve our team to more extent then phillips would. I just think that we should give phillips a big opportunity to prove himself, and i think everyone of us would be happier if he succeeds to major league level.
Also...If cash trades pavano or wright, i hope he somehow finds another SP to replace them because as we saw so manyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy times that pitching is the key in winning championships.
For NOW...
Bottom LINE = Our Roster Is FINE!!!
We aren't talking about bench depth. We're talking about someone who can at least start against right handers (so about 2/3 of the season) in RF or LF.
The problem is that the chips the Yankees have to make that kind of acquisition don't exactly have a great health record. You can't trade Pavano for anything when he's hurt again. Given the strong likelihood that that will happen, I'd rather get something for him now then get nothing when he's on the DL midseason.
genius-24
01-04-06, 01:48 AM
We aren't talking about bench depth. We're talking about someone who can at least start against right handers (so about 2/3 of the season) in RF or LF.
The problem is that the chips the Yankees have to make that kind of acquisition don't exactly have a great health record. You can't trade Pavano for anything when he's hurt again. Given the strong likelihood that that will happen, I'd rather get something for him now then get nothing when he's on the DL midseason.
If we want to trade pavano, then we will have to pay most of his salary. That doesnt do any good. Also pavano has more potential and better stuff then wright. When it comes to trading i would prefer trading wright before pavano disregarding their market demands here.
After damon signing micheals is mainly considered to provide lot of flexibitly in our roster. Also when we talk about starters we always talk about players who start that position close to entire year. Micheals isnt that type of player which clearly makes him bench player.
Also henn, proctor, and sturtz are fine in terms of health, and they were the one considered for trade when micheals trade talk came up. So not all our chips have health issues.
keithf1
01-04-06, 01:49 AM
I'd also like to get Sheff over to DH so he isn't on the DL midseason with Pavano. I know he is tough as nails but there's no need to put the extra tear on his body when he could just be swinging 200 mph and hammering the ball instead of running around in the outfield.
genius-24
01-04-06, 01:58 AM
I'd also like to get Sheff over to DH so he isn't on the DL midseason with Pavano. I know he is tough as nails but there's no need to put the extra tear on his body when he could just be swinging 200 mph and hammering the ball instead of running around in the outfield.
I agree :). But providing more relief then what we have will just overflaw our roster and also we have bubba to protect RF despite bubba being below avg hitter.
yankswn23
01-04-06, 12:58 PM
Hopefully we wont see much of the bench in 2006.
Hopefully we wont see much of the bench in 2006.
We still need one
Kelly Stinnett, Miguel Cairo, Bubba Crosby and Andy Phillips do not give us a lot of depth.
I'd also like to get Sheff over to DH so he isn't on the DL midseason with Pavano. I know he is tough as nails but there's no need to put the extra tear on his body when he could just be swinging 200 mph and hammering the ball instead of running around in the outfield.
I agree... Sheff needs to shift to DH where he can effectively extend his career.
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