Players offered/not offered arbitration [Archive]

YankeePride1967

12-07-05, 07:07 PM

How many hours till a certain Yankee *cough*Sierra*cough* is no longer a Yankee?

By my count, 3 hours and 52 minutes

But we also have Bernie. I think it's safe to say we are offering to Gordon. No to Brown and Bernie.

ryanm1058123

12-07-05, 07:07 PM

Myers

not offered arb, for clarification. ;)

ryanm1058123

12-07-05, 07:08 PM

By my count, 3 hours and 52 minutes

But we also have Bernie. I think it's safe to say we are offering to Gordon. No to Brown and Bernie.

How do we offer to Gordon? He's already signed, we already got the picks..

IncredibleByNature

12-07-05, 07:09 PM

anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 total hrs, or maybe even more. You do the math.

Keep dreaming, SM.

Just a few more hours...

IncredibleByNature

12-07-05, 07:10 PM

By my count, 3 hours and 52 minutes

But we also have Bernie. I think it's safe to say we are offering to Gordon. No to Brown and Bernie.

Thanks, GR.

I love Bernie, but I hope he retires.

As for Brown. :barf:

yankeebot

12-07-05, 07:10 PM

How do we offer to Gordon? He's already signed, we already got the picks..
It is just a rules thing.

yankeebot

12-07-05, 07:11 PM

By my count, 3 hours and 52 minutes

But we also have Bernie. I think it's safe to say we are offering to Gordon. No to Brown and Bernie.I would not be surprised if Bernie was offered arbitration with an agreement in place that he will decline so they can continue to talk.

YankeePride1967

12-07-05, 07:17 PM

How do we offer to Gordon? He's already signed, we already got the picks..

Yes, exactly.

hobokenfish

12-07-05, 07:27 PM

Any word, specifically on the Yankees, but other teams as well, players that have/have not been offered arbitration?

Just saw on espn.com that the Angels declined arbitration on Molina and Washburn. I thought they would offer arbitration to at least one of those guys, so I'm a little surprised.

YankeePride1967

12-07-05, 07:29 PM

Just saw on espn.com that the Angels declined arbitration on Molina and Washburn. I thought they would offer arbitration to at least one of those guys, so I'm a little surprised.

Wow! That really surprises me.

BJG

12-07-05, 07:35 PM

Free Agents Not Offered Arbitration (Running List):
Cairo
Cassanova
Alberto Castillo
Christiansen
Clemens
DeFelice
Dotel
Durazo
Everett
Graves
Greene
Grudz...
Hatteberg
Heredia
Hernandez
Looper
Mantei
Merloni
Miceli
Mientkiewicz
Millar
Molina
Myers
Offerman
Olerud
Piazza
Takatsu
Thomas
Vizcaino
Washburn
G. Williams
Wright

Still Available and Offered Arb:
Damon
Graffanino
Kim
Leiter
Mendoza
Mueller
Rincon
B. Williams

longtimeyankeefan

12-07-05, 08:07 PM

I would not be surprised if Bernie was offered arbitration with an agreement in place that he will decline so they can continue to talk.

If this event happens, then you can virtually guarantee Bernie's return to the pinstripes or retirement.

I can't see any team willing to give Bernie a) a decent contract and b) giving up the draft pick.

Stryder2929

12-07-05, 09:00 PM

cairo not offered arbitration by the mets, resign him!

Bernie Inferno

12-07-05, 09:05 PM

That's weird Molina wasn't offered.

AMYanks

12-07-05, 09:14 PM

No arbitration offered to Dotel. It would be awesome if we could sign him to an incentive-laden deal.

Evil Empire

12-07-05, 09:17 PM

Cairo, Clemens, Looper and Dotel all catch my eye.

Which Castillo is that?

indianyanksfan

12-07-05, 09:23 PM

Cairo, Clemens, Looper and Dotel all catch my eye.

Which Castillo is that?

sign cairo/graffanino

looper is a good alternative to tavarez etc

dotel should be done only since it gives us insurance and also a tradeable chip if his rehab goes well.

and sign nomar. i just have a good feeling. :)

Bernie Inferno

12-07-05, 10:00 PM

Kenny Rogers not offered. Why don't we bring him back? :barf:

JDPNYY

12-07-05, 10:03 PM

Kenny Rogers not offered. Why don't we bring him back? :barf:

He could beat up the camera men so they stay away from Randy.

StatenIslandYankee

12-07-05, 10:05 PM

Dotel, Clemens, Looper, and Cairo!

Bernie Inferno

12-07-05, 10:06 PM

He could beat up the camera men so they stay away from Randy. Very good point!

ryanm1058123

12-07-05, 10:10 PM

Is it just me or do the Yankees never release their arbitration info before the midnight deadline? I remember this same thing last year..

Evil Empire

12-07-05, 10:11 PM

Dotel, Clemens, Looper, and Cairo!
I beat ya! :P

ryanthe13th

12-07-05, 10:13 PM

43 minutes until Ruben Sierra hits the road for good.

ICEBERG18

12-07-05, 10:14 PM

.321/.396/.523- That's Erubiel Durazo line from 2004. He was injured in 2005 and only had 152 at-bats, his line was .237/.305/.368.

The A's didn't offer him arbitration, someone might get a steal with him.

Cashman has already said he's not going after any DH's.

AMYanks

12-07-05, 10:15 PM

StatenIslandYankee

12-07-05, 10:16 PM

YankeePride1967

12-07-05, 10:51 PM

So, other than an outside chance of offering it to Bernie, is it safe to say that none of the Yankee eligibles get offered it?

AMYanks

12-07-05, 10:54 PM

Wait... don't we have to offer arbitration to Gordon to get the Phillies draft picks?

AMYanks

12-07-05, 10:54 PM

So, other than an outside chance of offering it to Bernie, is it safe to say that none of the Yankee eligibles get offered it?

ESPN.com says we offered arb. to Leiter, too. :(

Mattpat11

12-07-05, 10:57 PM

ESPN.com says we offered arb. to Leiter, too. :( Leiter will probably retire, but he's not an awful LOOGY

CptCrunch

12-07-05, 10:58 PM

Wait... don't we have to offer arbitration to Gordon to get the Phillies draft picks?

He signed with another team before the deadline so we automatically get the picks.

YankeePride1967

12-07-05, 10:58 PM

ESPN.com says we offered arb. to Leiter, too. :(

Too, as in we DID offer to Bernie? Leiter isn't a bad move as even if he accepted, we don't have to sign him and two it would be cheap (as a fall back to Myers)

Wait... don't we have to offer arbitration to Gordon to get the Phillies draft picks?

We get the picks automatically.

dabomb2045

12-07-05, 10:59 PM

why the hell did we offer Bernie arb?? I cant believe he will be back again next year....unreal

AMYanks

12-07-05, 10:59 PM

We get the picks automatically.

Good, I wasn't sure if that was the case or not.

shroud

12-07-05, 11:04 PM

Yankees offered arbitration to OF Bernie Williams, LHP Al Leiter and RHP Ramiro Mendoza.
Williams surely agreed to decline it, but he's almost certain to stay with the Yankees now. He'd cost another team a draft pick to sign, and he's simply not worth it at this point of his career. Leiter and Mendoza are also expected to decline arbitration. Dec. 8 - 12:01 am et
Per rotoworld

Vin

12-07-05, 11:06 PM

If Looper can't effectively close for the Mets, what makes people think he'll be an effective reliever/set-up guy, especially at the American League level?

I'd like to see the Yanks re-sign Cairo but I don't see a spot for him. Unless we platoon him with Cano. The two C's of the infield.

ryanm1058123

12-07-05, 11:08 PM

Wait.. how does arb work for the regular player whos been in the MLB for 6+ years if he ACCEPTS arbitration. If Bernie accepted arb how would that work out.

keg411

12-07-05, 11:08 PM

It sounds like they pretty much offered the three players arbitration more as a "token" move than anything else.

This offseason seems absolutely insane. Probably because the FA class is so weak. I personally think that Yankees are just caught between a rock and a hard place -- in a year or so, the farm system will improve and there will be more trading flexibility. Plus, the unmoveable contracts will hopefully be gone. The "big" moves have bitten them too many times, and I wouldn't be suprised if they fall off a bit this season, but are better for it in 2 years or so.

JavyVazquezIsSick

12-07-05, 11:09 PM

We honestly can't have Bernie on this team, Torre will play him way too much. What a god damn shi*storm...

BJG

12-07-05, 11:10 PM

If Looper can't effectively close for the Mets, what makes people think he'll be an effective set-up guy, especially at the American League level?

I'd like to see the Yanks re-sign Cairo but I don't see a spot for him. Unless we platoon him with Cano. The two C's of the infield.

Because you have to put your 'closer' in in a save situation no matter who the batter is. Looper kills righthanders. Lefthanders kill Looper. All you have to do is use him right.

Oh, and for closers, there's really no big difference between the AL and the NL. It's not like NL closers actually face the oppossing picture.

YankeePride1967

12-07-05, 11:10 PM

Good bye Ruben Sierra and Kevin Brown.

ryanthe13th

12-07-05, 11:11 PM

StatenIslandYankee

12-07-05, 11:11 PM

We honestly can't have Bernie on this team, Torre will play him way too much. What a god damn shi*storm...
Bernie is a "Joe guy"

StatenIslandYankee

12-07-05, 11:12 PM

OK WTF?!? Mendoza offered arbitration?!

Yankees1962

12-07-05, 11:14 PM

Mendoza? What the f u c k? Is Cashman sitting behind his desk smoking a big fat bong with Joe Torre and recalling the old days? Al "Belly Full of Guts" Leiter, Bernie Williams, and Ramiro Mendoza. Wow. I am shocked.
Unless, you have inside information about the wink-wink agreements Cashman might have with their agents, I wouldn't overreact.

JavyVazquezIsSick

12-07-05, 11:15 PM

Because you have to put your 'closer' in in a save situation no matter who the batter is. Looper kills righthanders. Lefthanders kill Looper. All you have to do is use him right.

Oh, and for closers, there's really no big difference between the AL and the NL. It's not like NL closers actually face the oppossing picture.

Looper would be a great pickup, especially if you can get him cheap, like 2 years/6 mil...

Vin

12-07-05, 11:20 PM

Because you have to put your 'closer' in in a save situation no matter who the batter is. Looper kills righthanders. Lefthanders kill Looper. All you have to do is use him right.

As much as I don't hate Torre. I'm not too sure the term "use him right" is in his dictionary. So by this, do you think Willie didn't use Looper right when he blew saves?

What's his numbers against left/right handed batters?

Bernie Inferno

12-07-05, 11:23 PM

Good bye Ruben Sierra and Kevin Brown. Sierra Mist, are you still alive?

JavyVazquezIsSick

12-07-05, 11:24 PM

As much as I don't hate Torre. I'm not too sure the term "use him right" is in his dictionary. So by this, do you think Willie didn't use Looper right when he blew saves?

What's his numbers against left/right handed batters?

Look it up, why is everyone so lazy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=5966&type=pitching3&three=1

3 year splits:
Righties: .231
Lefties: .307

38Special

12-07-05, 11:25 PM

oh man

dabomb2045

12-07-05, 11:27 PM

can someone give me one good reason why Bernie will be back on this team next year??

He is Done. Toast. Overcooked. Finished.

JavyVazquezIsSick

12-07-05, 11:28 PM

can someone give me one good reason why Bernie will be back on this team next year??

He is Done. Toast. Overcooked. Finished.

He isn't worth the pick, no team is going to give it up for him. This is HORRIBLE!

dabomb2045

12-07-05, 11:29 PM

He isn't worth the pick, no team is going to give it up for him. This is HORRIBLE!

and you just know that Torre will play him alot next season....especially if we fail to find another CF...I can see it.

Wow...next year is just not looking like alot of fun at this point.

38Special

12-07-05, 11:32 PM

omgzzzzzzzzzz panic

time for a rest from this board

dabomb2045

12-07-05, 11:34 PM

omgzzzzzzzzzz panic

time for a rest from this board

come on 38, I know you know your stuff. How can anyone justify bringing an old and decrepit Bernie back here again??

and I'm tellin ya, Torre will play him alot more next year then he should since Bernie is one of his "boys"

NewEraYanks2527

12-07-05, 11:36 PM

I think Bernie will decline arbitration and perhaps retire. Don't hurt your career average anymore Bernie. The Mick always regretted that.

38Special

12-07-05, 11:37 PM

come on 38, I know you know your stuff. How can anyone justify bringing an old and decrepit Bernie back here again??

and I'm tellin ya, Torre will play him alot more next year then he should since Bernie is one of his "boys"
Who the ................ was he supposed to play? Matt Lawton? Bubba showed zero ability to hit the ball past the pitcher until they gave up and let him have the job. Dont give me that bull................ about his boys. Did he have Ruben Sierra playing every game?

If you want to blame anyone then blame Cashman for doing a piss poor job of putting together the team combined with the ................ty decisionmaking of Tampa/New York and the scouting directors. Our garbage farm system has done nothing for us in the last 10 years. Thankfully its improving now but that cant change the old decrepid players who we had signed already

dabomb2045

12-07-05, 11:39 PM

Who the ................ was he supposed to play? Matt Lawton? Bubba showed zero ability to hit the ball past the pitcher until they gave up and let him have the job. Dont give me that bull................ about his boys. Did he have Ruben Sierra playing every game?

If you want to blame anyone then blame Cashman for doing a piss poor job of putting together the team combined with the ................ty decisionmaking of Tampa/New York and the scouting directors. Our garbage farm system has done nothing for us in the last 10 years. Thankfully its improving now but that cant change the old decrepid players who we had signed already

But why bring Bernie back in 2006?? I figured it was quite obvious last season that he is finished. He is a liability in every aspect of the game...whether its with his glove or his bat.

JavyVazquezIsSick

12-07-05, 11:39 PM

38Special

12-07-05, 11:40 PM

He should of at least had Matsui play CF. And Yes, Bubba would of been better overall because of the defense he could of given...
And then Mary Poppins could have played LF

OR BETTER YET

move JETER TO CENTER FIELD DUN DUN DUN, MVP-ROD to SS, and sign Peter Pan to man the hot corner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111

Vin

12-07-05, 11:41 PM

Our garbage farm system has done nothing for us in the last 10 years. Thankfully its improving now but that cant change the old decrepid players who we had signed already

The farm system has done nothing for us in last 10 years? which would be 1995-ish.
Didn't Mo came from the farm, I'm sure there's a lot more players...some guy named Derek, oh what the hell we haven't won a World Series in the last 5 years - which in Yankee years equals to about 20/30 years. Who cares about those homegrown players...

JavyVazquezIsSick

12-07-05, 11:42 PM

And then Mary Poppins could have played LF

No Bernie should of moved over but Torre of course would never ask him to do so. He even practiced playing left during the year but for some reason he was never out there...

38Special

12-07-05, 11:44 PM

No Bernie should of moved over but Torre of course would never ask him to do so. He even practiced playing left during the year but for some reason he was never out there...
Bernie had reservations about it and never felt comfortable out there, at least thats what i read. That wouldnt have improved the defense anyway. His weak inaccurate arm would have been even more damaging in left.

wah wah wah Torre

The farm system has done nothing for us in last 10 years? which would be 1995-ish.
Didn't Mo came from the farm, I'm sure there's a lot more players...some guy named Derek, oh what the hell we haven't won a World Series in the last 5 years - which in Yankee years equals to about 20/30 years. Who cares about those homegrown players...

How many players on the roster are from the farm system since 96? Posada? Cano? Wang?

We've produce some decent players but traded them away. Believe me, you wont find a bigger supporter of our farm system now, but the drafts since the 90s have been beyond horrendous leading into 2003

dabomb2045

12-07-05, 11:46 PM

arguing about what should have been done last season is irrelevant IMHO. I dont see one good reason why Bernie should have been offered arb.

Nobody in their right mind is gonna sign this guy and give up a draft pick. He will be here next year....and will play alot more then he should.

JavyVazquezIsSick

12-07-05, 11:47 PM

Bernie had reservations about it and never felt comfortable out there, at least thats what i read. That wouldnt have improved the defense anyway. His weak inaccurate arm would have been even more damaging in left.

wah wah wah Torre

I never read anything about that, I know he was willing to do it. Of course I'm sure he'd rather stay in a position that he played his whole career but it was up to Torre to move him and say "You know what you can't play CF, move over, or sit down." It would of saved us a bunch of runs if Matsui was the CFer, Matsui's arm is horrible as well, it wouldn't of been that great of a difference in left...

JavyVazquezIsSick

12-07-05, 11:48 PM

wah wah wah Torre

Yes Torre is infallible...

ryanthe13th

12-07-05, 11:50 PM

I can't believe that Bernie playing CF is actually a prospect. How did this happen?

dabomb2045

12-07-05, 11:51 PM

I can't believe that Bernie playing CF is actually a prospect. How did this happen?

my thoughts exactly...it just makes no sense to me at all

38Special

12-07-05, 11:55 PM

no one said he was playing center field

Yes Torre is infallible...

IGNORE LISTS R AWESOME

JavyVazquezIsSick

12-07-05, 11:57 PM

no one said he was playing center field

Then whats his point of being on the team? Pinch runner? He is no longer near the hitter he once was to be a DH, in addition I'd much rather give Phillips a shot at 1st/DH. He's free and good...

dabomb2045

12-07-05, 11:59 PM

no one said he was playing center field

IGNORE LISTS R AWESOME

I think it would make sense if Bernie will still a good hitter who just couldnt play the field anymore. But he has been a below average hitter the last 2 years now, and last year he really dropped off.

I dont see his bat helping this team

JavyVazquezIsSick

12-07-05, 11:59 PM

IGNORE LISTS R AWESOME

:( :nopity:

Is that always what you do when you lose an argument? :lol:

ring403

12-08-05, 12:02 AM

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/D6DD9868AB359C7C862570D1001B1446?OpenDocument
Still waiting to address vacancies in the bullpen and outfield corners, the Cardinals said goodbye to second baseman Mark Grudzielanek, left fielder Reggie Sanders and righthanded reliever Julian Tavarez when they elected not to offer arbitration to the free agents by the deadline Wednesday night.

Enoch

12-08-05, 12:07 AM

Tavarez can pitch, but he might go Kevin Brown on a team.....still....a good arm out of the pen (RHP).

enterthesandman

12-08-05, 12:08 AM

Wait.. how does arb work for the regular player whos been in the MLB for 6+ years if he ACCEPTS arbitration. If Bernie accepted arb how would that work out.
It would work out as one of the worst moves of the off-season (maybe worse than Loretta for Mirabelli) since we'd be paying at the VERY MINIMUM, $9,885,714.40 to a guy who can't hit or run or field.

dabomb2045

12-08-05, 12:09 AM

Tavarez can pitch, but he might go Kevin Brown on a team.....still....a good arm out of the pen (RHP).

a risk I'm willing to take

NYDCYankee

12-08-05, 12:09 AM

Come on Cash break out the Ca$h for Tavarez

Yankees13

12-08-05, 12:10 AM

I think it would make sense if Bernie will still a good hitter who just couldnt play the field anymore. But he has been a below average hitter the last 2 years now, and last year he really dropped off.

I dont see his bat helping this team
He hit 821 OPS as a DH last year, if he DHs this year and matches that it will be worth it.

Yankees13

12-08-05, 12:11 AM

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/D6DD9868AB359C7C862570D1001B1446?OpenDocument
Good, no picks to lose for Taverez.

dabomb2045

12-08-05, 12:11 AM

He hit 821 OPS as a DH last year, if he DHs this year and matches that it will be worth it.

it also worries me that Torre will be itching to put him back in CF...especially if we fail to acquire another CF

then it will just be a replay of last season

StatenIslandYankee

12-08-05, 12:11 AM

Why are we not making a move on Dotel and Tavarez?

dabomb2045

12-08-05, 12:13 AM

Why are we not making a move on Dotel and Tavarez?

Thats what I want to know...they are just sitting out there waiting to be picked up. Cashman should be working the phones

Yankees13

12-08-05, 12:13 AM

it also worries me that Torre will be itching to put him back in CF...especially if we fail to acquire another CF

then it will just be a replay of last season
If Bernie starts more than 30 games in the field, I will agree with you it was a dumb move. I just don't see it. Give Torre and Cashman some credit, they're not morons.

enterthesandman

12-08-05, 12:13 AM

Why are we not making a move on Dotel and Tavarez?Because they're not 40+ and we won't lose $10m/year and first roun draft picks in the process. That's not the Yankee way.

Yankees13

12-08-05, 12:13 AM

Why are we not making a move on Dotel and Tavarez?
Maybe Tavarez will be picked up now that the Cards didn't offer arbitration.

StatenIslandYankee

12-08-05, 12:14 AM

Maybe Tavarez will be picked up now that the Cards didn't offer arbitration.
I want Dotel as well.

Yankees13

12-08-05, 12:14 AM

Because they're not 40+ and we won't lose $10m/year and first roun draft picks in the process. That's not the Yankee way.
Those jokes have gotten pretty old. :o

dabomb2045

12-08-05, 12:15 AM

If Bernie starts more than 30 games in the field, I will agree with you it was a dumb move. I just don't see it. Give Torre and Cashman some credit, they're not morons.

assume for a second that we dont trade/sign another CF...and go into the year with Bubba and Bernie as our CF's. In the same exact situation last year, Bernie played more then half of his games in CF. Why would Torre treat the situation any different then last year?

Yankees13

12-08-05, 12:15 AM

I want Dotel as well.
Who's gonna be kicked out of the pen when he's ready to pitch?

Yankees13

12-08-05, 12:17 AM

assume for a second that we dont trade/sign another CF...and go into the year with Bubba and Bernie as our CF's. In the same exact situation last year, Bernie played more then half of his games in CF. Why would Torre treat the situation any different then last year?
Towards the end of last year Crosby was the everyday CF. Torre will go into the season knowing that Crosby is the starting CF. And I believe someone other than Crosby will be here to play CF.

dabomb2045

12-08-05, 12:17 AM

Who's gonna be kicked out of the pen when he's ready to pitch?

someone crappy...like Proctor

enterthesandman

12-08-05, 12:18 AM

Those jokes have gotten pretty old. :o
I only wish it was a joke :uhh:

Yankees13

12-08-05, 12:22 AM

someone crappy...like Proctor
I don't think Proctor is going to be in the pen on Opening Day. As of now we have Rivera, Farnsworth, Small, Sturtze, and Wright in the bullpen, and it seems very likely we'll sign Myers and maybe another arm for the 7th. Where does Proctor fit in?

dabomb2045

12-08-05, 12:23 AM

I don't think Proctor is going to be in the pen on Opening Day. As of now we have Rivera, Farnsworth, Small, Sturtze, and Wright in the bullpen, and it seems very likely we'll sign Myers and maybe another arm for the 7th. Where does Proctor fit in?

well in that case...I'd sign Dotel and find a way to make Wright dissapear. I also have serious doubts about whether Small can even come close to what he did last year...or will he regress to his career norm. If he regresses, thats a huge problem.

JavyVazquezIsSick

12-08-05, 12:26 AM

He hit 821 OPS as a DH last year, if he DHs this year and matches that it will be worth it.

Yeah and the year before that (2004) it was .725 in about 190 ABs compared to 75 ABs in 2005 at DH. I'd say thats closer to what he would do, and thats not good for a DH...

Yankees13

12-08-05, 12:26 AM

well in that case...I'd sign Dotel and find a way to make Wright dissapear. I also have serious doubts about whether Small can even come close to what he did last year...or will he regress to his career norm. If he regresses, thats a huge problem.
Does Small have any options? Could always stash him at AAA, although I doubt the Yankees will do that. He will regress, but he won't be terrible for the last guy out of the pen. Wright isn't disappearing anytime soon, unless the Yankees pay his contract for someone to take him away for us.

Yankees13

12-08-05, 12:28 AM

Yeah and the year before that (2004) it was .725 in about 190 ABs compared to 75 ABs in 2005 at DH. I'd say thats closer to what he would do, and thats not good for a DH...
Maybe he felt more acclimated to the DH role last year? I just think without the stress and attention of playing CF and the physical wear and tear he could hit pretty nicely for us next year. Just a hunch on my part, but we'll see.

dabomb2045

12-08-05, 12:29 AM

Does Small have any options? Could always stash him at AAA, although I doubt the Yankees will do that. He will regress, but he won't be terrible for the last guy out of the pen. Wright isn't disappearing anytime soon, unless the Yankees pay his contract for someone to take him away for us.

Of course it wont happen...but I would eat Wright's contract in a second if it meant getting him out of here. Sometimes you just have to admit you made a mistake...take the shame and embarassment...swallow your pride and move on.

NYDCYankee

12-08-05, 12:29 AM

The Yankees have been in on Tavarez, it has been mentioned in like every article. The Yankees are not ignoring him.

Mark19

12-08-05, 12:29 AM

Rudy Seanez wasn't given arbitration

go get em cashman!

Vin

12-08-05, 12:31 AM

well in that case...I'd sign Dotel and find a way to make Wright dissapear. I also have serious doubts about whether Small can even come close to what he did last year...or will he regress to his career norm. If he regresses, thats a huge problem.

I'm more concerned about Wright continuing to regress, and get those huge hits...in the head.

JavyVazquezIsSick

12-08-05, 12:32 AM

Maybe he felt more acclimated to the DH role last year? I just think without the stress and attention of playing CF and the physical wear and tear he could hit pretty nicely for us next year. Just a hunch on my part, but we'll see.

I just think there are cheaper, better options like Phillips who can also play 1st base and some other infield positions. I don't want Bernie in the outfield and I certainly don't want a project at 1st base. Phillips is free, Bernie cost money...

Vin

12-08-05, 12:32 AM

Look it up, why is everyone so lazy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=5966&type=pitching3&three=1

3 year splits:
Righties: .231
Lefties: .307

Because I don't know where to "look it up".

Quangormo

12-08-05, 12:33 AM

Clemens and Vizcaino not offered per MLB.com
Given the fact that our utility infielder at the moment is Felix Escalona, Vizcaino would be worth talking to. Remember how he was one of the heroes of the 2000 World Series?

Yankees13

12-08-05, 12:34 AM

I just think there are cheaper, better options like Phillips who can also play 1st base and some other infield positions. I don't want Bernie in the outfield and I certainly don't want a project at 1st base. Phillips is free, Bernie cost money...
Bernie won't be playing the field. I think he'll hit much better if he's the everyday DH than Phillips would. Just my opinion because Phillips has never gotten much playing time, and Bernie has never been a fulltime DH, but I think it's a reasonable conclusion.

dabomb2045

12-08-05, 12:36 AM

Bernie won't be playing the field. I think he'll hit much better if he's the everyday DH than Phillips would. Just my opinion because Phillips has never gotten much playing time, and Bernie has never been a fulltime DH, but I think it's a reasonable conclusion.

Phillips also looks like Pedro Cerrano in Major League when he flails away at off-speed pitches. If he hasnt learned how to hit a breaking ball by now...it will never happen.

Quangormo

12-08-05, 12:39 AM

I would not be surprised if Bernie was offered arbitration with an agreement in place that he will decline so they can continue to talk.
It buys a month, and if they don't come up with anyone for CF, they re-sign Bernie and go with a Bubba/Bernie split in CF. (Bernie also DHs a little.)

dabomb2045

12-08-05, 12:40 AM

It buys a month, and if they don't come up with anyone for CF, they re-sign Bernie and go with a Bubba/Bernie split in CF. (Bernie also DHs a little.)

a replay of 2005?? good lord, do we really need to see that again :eek:

NYDCYankee

12-08-05, 12:41 AM

Looks like there are ALOT of decent bullpen arms that were not offered arb. I feel good about this.

Yankees13

12-08-05, 12:42 AM

Phillips also looks like Pedro Cerrano in Major League when he flails away at off-speed pitches. If he hasnt learned how to hit a breaking ball by now...it will never happen.
I have to agree, don't think he'd make much of a major league hitter, maybe a decent mistake hitter at best.

Quangormo

12-08-05, 12:42 AM

Cairo, Christiansen, Dotel, Durazo, Everett, Graves, Looper, Myers, Thomas, Vizcaino, Washburn, G. Williams are the ones I would talk to.

ryanthe13th

12-08-05, 12:47 AM

Phillips also looks like Pedro Cerrano in Major League when he flails away at off-speed pitches. If he hasnt learned how to hit a breaking ball by now...it will never happen.

"Need hats for bats....."

dabomb2045

12-08-05, 12:48 AM

"Need hats for bats....."

maybe someone should give Phillips a Jobu doll

Quangormo

12-08-05, 12:50 AM

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.asp?sport=MLB

Yankees offered arbitration to OF Bernie Williams, LHP Al Leiter and RHP Ramiro Mendoza; declined to offer arbitration to RHP Kevin Brown, LHP Alan Embree, C John Flaherty, OF Matt Lawton, 1B Tino Martinez, RHP Felix Rodriguez, INF Rey Sanchez and DH Ruben Sierra.

BTW, the Nationals offered arbitration to Joey Eischen, who was a possible Yankee bullpen trget.

ryanm1058123

12-08-05, 12:58 AM

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.asp?sport=MLB

BTW, the Nationals offered arbitration to Joey Eischen, who was a possible Yankee bullpen trget.

He wouldn't require compensation so it wouldn't matter.

Sheff_Rod

12-08-05, 01:39 AM

NYDCYankee

12-08-05, 01:47 AM

How about Al Reyes? I didn't realize how good a year he had last year. He was not offered arb by the Cards either.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3169

Stan Musial

12-08-05, 03:14 AM

How about Al Reyes? I didn't realize how good a year he had last year. He was not offered arb by the Cards either.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3169

He's hurt. He went down the last game of the season and will be out the entire 2006 season (projected). I believe he needs TJ surgery.

NYDCYankee

12-08-05, 03:21 AM

He's hurt. He went down the last game of the season and will be out the entire 2006 season (projected). I believe he needs TJ surgery.

Forget that then.

Stan Musial

12-08-05, 03:23 AM

Forget that then.

I think if he would not have been hurt, the Cards would have offered him arbitration. With that being said, I believe they will resign him once he's healthy if no one picks him up. But, he had a great season.