View Full Version : The return of Kenny Lofton?
RIYankeeFan
12-07-05, 05:01 PM
6. Kenny Lofton – One of my favorite players, Lofton will have to wait to see what happens with Damon. Even though he is 38, he will fit nicely in the outfield of team that is looking for a leadoff batter. Best fit: Yankees … that is, if they lose out on Damon. - Ryne Sandberg
This doesn't sound like a terrible idea, especially if we can sign him to a 1 year contract with incentives. We get a seasoned veteran who can run down balls, and knock Jeter back into his #2 spot.
The best part is, we loose no prospects in the deal. Sign him as a hold over until next year where there are better CFs to be had. Bubba becomes our backup CF/PR. I mean he did bat .335 last year, and he shared time.
I'd much rather have him for 1 year, than Damon for 3.
Epy7280
12-07-05, 05:02 PM
6. Kenny Lofton – One of my favorite players, Lofton will have to wait to see what happens with Damon. Even though he is 38, he will fit nicely in the outfield of team that is looking for a leadoff batter. Best fit: Yankees … that is, if they lose out on Damon. - Ryne Sandberg
This doesn't sound like a terrible idea, especially if we can sign him to a 1 year contract with incentives. We get a seasoned veteran who can run down balls, and knock Jeter back into his #2 spot.
The best part is, we loose no prospects in the deal. Sign him as a hold over until next year where there are better CFs to be had. Bubba becomes our backup CF/PR. I mean he did bat .335 last year, and he shared time.
I'd much rather have him for 1 year, than Damon for 3.
I think in that case i rather have bubba out there in CF
ryanthe13th
12-07-05, 05:05 PM
Jeter gets absolutely no love as a lead off hitter. It's ridiculous.
Kulish29
12-07-05, 05:06 PM
Ryne Sandberg has absolutley no idea what he's talking about.
"If they lose out on Damon".? They're not even interested in him.
Next.
ryanthe13th
12-07-05, 05:10 PM
I can attest to Sandberg being clueless. I read his column on Yahoo! just so I can shake my head. His bias towards the Cubs is unreal. He's also a bandwagon jumper. He had the Yankees vs Cardinals in the WS at the beginning of the year, and by midseason he changed to Boston vs St Louis.
Great player, poor columnist.
Jeter gets absolutely no love as a lead off hitter. It's ridiculous.
Jeter is a great leadoff hitter but he is an elite #2. Derek has good on base skills but his ability to drive in runs make him an excellent option in the 2 hole. However, I don't know how I feel about displacing Derek for Lofton.
ryanthe13th
12-07-05, 05:15 PM
Jeter is a great leadoff hitter but he is an elite #2. Derek has good on base skills but his ability to drive in runs make him an excellent option in the 2 hole. However, I don't know how I feel about displacing Derek for Lofton.
Someone posted his line not too long ago, and he was a better lead off hitter than he was a 2 spot hitter.
ComeBackShane47
12-07-05, 05:21 PM
Someone posted his line not too long ago, and he was a better lead off hitter than he was a 2 spot hitter.
Jeter happens to be one of the best at getting on base and having speed, however, the reason why most think he is such a great #2 guy, is because of his natural stroke to the right side, and the hole is bigger with someone on base. However I believe that Steven Goldman looked at guys with such speed/onbase skills that Jeter has, and the only one who was better was Abreu.
Babe Rules
12-07-05, 05:25 PM
Not a chance on a Lofton comeback.
I don't want Lofton back on this team. I'll never forget Mariano yelling at him "Catch the ball!". Also, when he runs he pumps his arms and legs *really* fast, but hardly moves.
Irabu's Son
12-07-05, 05:56 PM
I'd love Lofton back, Torre dicked him the first time around and he proved he could still play last season, (.335 av, .392 OBP!!).
He'd fit, and nicely as the #2 hitter behind Jeter.
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-07-05, 05:59 PM
Jeter was the best leadoff hitter in the Al east, maybe in the whole American League in 2005 and much better than any other leadoff option we can realistically get.
English Yankee
12-07-05, 06:07 PM
I think Lofton would be a great option, provided he knew before he signed that he wouldn't be playing every day and may be batting ninth when he did play.
nnysiny
12-07-05, 06:17 PM
sounds like a great idea in this offseason but not knowing who should catch a fly ball was bad enough the first time
Bernie Inferno
12-07-05, 06:19 PM
Been there, done that. "Catch the ball"~Mariano Rivera.
drjeckyl
12-07-05, 06:25 PM
I'd love Lofton back, Torre dicked him the first time around and he proved he could still play last season, (.335 av, .392 OBP!!).
He'd fit, and nicely as the #2 hitter behind Jeter.
Torre didn't dick him. He was injured part of the time, dogged it part of the time, developed an attitude even though he said that he would park cars, and eventually, was replaced fulltime by Bernie, who at least tried to catch the ball. As for last year, he was injured part of the time last year (hamstring), and had knee surgery this past offseason. He's always injured and high maintenance too! I'd pass on him.
6. Kenny Lofton – One of my favorite players, Lofton will have to wait to see what happens with Damon. Even though he is 38, he will fit nicely in the outfield of team that is looking for a leadoff batter. Best fit: Yankees … that is, if they lose out on Damon. - Ryne Sandberg
This doesn't sound like a terrible idea, especially if we can sign him to a 1 year contract with incentives. We get a seasoned veteran who can run down balls, and knock Jeter back into his #2 spot.
The best part is, we loose no prospects in the deal. Sign him as a hold over until next year where there are better CFs to be had. Bubba becomes our backup CF/PR. I mean he did bat .335 last year, and he shared time.
I'd much rather have him for 1 year, than Damon for 3.
stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.
Why do people here ofton seem to want back washed up hasbeen retreads.
Andy :mad: :mad: :mad:
JapanJobbers
12-07-05, 06:53 PM
I'm not too high on him anymore, but I guess he would be better than Bubba.
Sierra Mist
12-07-05, 06:58 PM
Lofton bashed Torre big time when he was traded for F-Rod, by the way we got ripped off big time on that trade. I dont blame K-Lo for the bashing, who in their right mind would start Bernie Williams at CF and DH Lofton???
JeffWeaverFan
12-07-05, 07:10 PM
Lofton said the truth about Torre when he left. Either way, Torre didn't know how to use Lofton then and he sure doesn't know how to now. Also, Lofton is not a good defensive CFer anymore. There are better options out there.
38Special
12-07-05, 07:36 PM
I love watching Lofton take routes in the outfield. It's kind of like watching Stevie Wonder wave to specific people in the crowd.
Okay, that's not fair. Lofton does a worse job..
Yankee Clipper
12-07-05, 07:38 PM
I guess we don't remember him not chasing after a short flyball in Game 6 (maybe 5), where he didn't even make a full sprint to the ball and later Moose said he thought the ball was going to be caught and was shocked that Lofton lagged up. He's a selfish guy and shouldn't be anywhere near this team again.
Lofton said the truth about Torre when he left. Either way, Torre didn't know how to use Lofton then and he sure doesn't know how to now. Also, Lofton is not a good defensive CFer anymore. There are better options out there.
Sure, there are better options out there but are they available and at what cost? If it comes down to Bernie, Bubba, or Lofton, give me Kenny any day of the week. That .392 OBP is not to scoffed at.
surge511
12-07-05, 07:58 PM
There is no way Lofton comes back here. He didn't like it here, and neither did anyone involved with the Yankees. It just was not a good fit.
Irabu's Son
12-07-05, 08:12 PM
Torre didn't dick him. He was injured part of the time, dogged it part of the time, developed an attitude even though he said that he would park cars, and eventually, was replaced fulltime by Bernie, who at least tried to catch the ball. As for last year, he was injured part of the time last year (hamstring), and had knee surgery this past offseason. He's always injured and high maintenance too! I'd pass on him.
Bernie was starting games in the opening series in Japan in my opinion. Torre had his mind made up who his center fielder was. I had no problem playing Bernie, but as a DH, with Lofton in CF. But God forbid Torre hurts Bernie's feelings.
drjeckyl
12-07-05, 08:37 PM
Bernie was starting games in the opening series in Japan in my opinion. Torre had his mind made up who his center fielder was. I had no problem playing Bernie, but as a DH, with Lofton in CF. But God forbid Torre hurts Bernie's feelings.
Didn't Lofton start the season on the DL last year? As I recall, your scenario was supposed to be plan, but Lofton faultered out of the gate and Torre played Williams pretty much most of the season thereafter. The few opportunities Lofton got, he wasted. He was dropping balls in CF and in RF. I don't when Torre had made up his mind , but after those foobars, I didn't blame Torre one bit for playing Williams over Lofton.
38Special
12-07-05, 08:40 PM
Bernie and Lofton are both horrible defenders. Offensively there wasnt much of a difference either. Considering Lofton's whining i'm glad he kept Bernie in the lineup over him. The problem is Bernie in center, although that's more Cashman's fault for not getting a centerfielder
AMYanks
12-07-05, 09:09 PM
Bernie and Lofton are both horrible defenders. Offensively there wasnt much of a difference either. Considering Lofton's whining i'm glad he kept Bernie in the lineup over him. The problem is Bernie in center, although that's more Cashman's fault for not getting a centerfielder
Lofton wasn't a great defender here, but he was better than Bernie.
bostonyankeefan
12-07-05, 09:15 PM
Lofton has a lousy attitude, and he did not handle himself well when he was with us. I would rather have Damon who is a very upbeat guy with a never say die approach. Damon plays very hard every day.
jimmykey2
12-07-05, 09:21 PM
Lofton has a lousy attitude, and he did not handle himself well when he was with us. I would rather have Damon who is a very upbeat guy with a never say die approach. Damon plays very hard every day.
I'm not advocating bringing back Kenny Lofton, but this guy had an insane season last year. Considering how many OPS nuts we have on the site, .335/.392/.420 is hard to ignore. He performed exceedingly well in a platoon situation and as far as I can tell, didn't cause any problems on the Phills.
Mattpat11
12-07-05, 09:21 PM
Torre didn't dick him.. Torre let his personal feelings towards Lofton harm the team when he refused to put him in game five of the ALCS when Wakefield was throwing knucklers to Baltimore.
Why do people here ofton seem to want back washed up hasbeen retreads. Because the alternative may be Bubba.
I think Lofton would be a great option, provided he knew before he signed that he wouldn't be playing every day who would you platoon him with?
Irabu's Son
12-07-05, 09:56 PM
Didn't Lofton start the season on the DL last year?
If you mean 2004, I don't think so because I remember him in LF in Japan, with Matsui in CF against the Giants.
Yankee Bulldawg
12-07-05, 10:09 PM
no thanks
drjeckyl
12-08-05, 05:32 AM
If you mean 2004, I don't think so because I remember him in LF in Japan, with Matsui in CF against the Giants.
Yes, I meant 2004. You might be right, but I do remember that he did a stint on the DL early in the 04 season which hampered his chances to establish himself as a regular.
dabomb2045
12-08-05, 05:41 AM
not my first choice...but if it came down to it, I'd take him back.
I would take a "washed up retred" with a .335 avg and a .392 OBP. Especially considering he will put up offensive numbers MILES AND MILES better then anything Triple A Crosby would give us
its funny how people badmouth Lofton...yet look at who our CF is right now!!! If you think Bubba is better then an aging Lofton....then you are crazy.
Boogiedown Bomber
12-08-05, 05:47 AM
i would never take back Kenny Lofton, even if HE paid me a million dollars. can't stand that f*cker! :mad:
DontHateOnNumber2
12-08-05, 07:21 AM
I was thinking that I would want him back for a second, but then I changed my mind. He already talked garbage about Torre when he was traded and when he played he didn't really hustle much, at least Bubba goes out there like he's trying to catch his soul. Bubba will be decent he just needs to work on his awareness of the field and other outfielders. We know he's hella fast but we also know he loses focus due to his intensity and slams into other players as well.
silverdsl
12-08-05, 09:29 AM
Lofton was unhappy with just about everything about his experience as a Yankee so it seems to me that he wouldn't even want to come back even if the Yankees were considering him which seems unlikely.
-Deborah
WebsterMulligan
12-08-05, 09:36 AM
Lofton was unhappy with just about everything about his experience as a Yankee so it seems to me that he wouldn't even want to come back even if the Yankees were considering him which seems unlikely.
-Deborah
If the Yanks were the only team willing to sign him (god forbid), he would come back, IMO.
It may be his last real chance for a big pay day.
I could'nt imagine why the Yanks would want to re-sign him now, after he failed the first time around?
Irabu's Son
12-08-05, 09:53 AM
Lofton was unhappy with just about everything about his experience as a Yankee so it seems to me that he wouldn't even want to come back even if the Yankees were considering him which seems unlikely.
-Deborah
While I completely agree... if the Yankees don't have plans for Damon (hope not), Kotsay, Jacque Jones, Milton Bradley, and whoever else we've been mulling over on this board... then I think it's about time for Cashman to start doing some Lofton ass-kissing...
effdamets
12-08-05, 09:54 AM
While I completely agree... if the Yankees don't have plans for Damon (hope not), Kotsay, Jacque Jones, Milton Bradley, and whoever else we've been mulling over on this board... then I think it's about time for Cashman to start doing some Lofton ass-kissing...
Eff Lofton! He's a me-me-me, I-I-I player... Whaaaaaa, I'm not getting what "I" want, whaaaaaa... Jerkoff!
Quangormo
12-08-05, 11:36 AM
6. Kenny Lofton – One of my favorite players, Lofton will have to wait to see what happens with Damon. Even though he is 38, he will fit nicely in the outfield of team that is looking for a leadoff batter. Best fit: Yankees … that is, if they lose out on Damon. - Ryne Sandberg
This doesn't sound like a terrible idea, especially if we can sign him to a 1 year contract with incentives. We get a seasoned veteran who can run down balls, and knock Jeter back into his #2 spot.
The best part is, we loose no prospects in the deal. Sign him as a hold over until next year where there are better CFs to be had. Bubba becomes our backup CF/PR. I mean he did bat .335 last year, and he shared time.
I'd much rather have him for 1 year, than Damon for 3.
I'm not as enamored of Lofton as you are, but the good in this is it gives us a year to let Melky play every day at Columbus and see where things stand at that point. If he's ready for 2007, there is your solution. If not, there is a nice crop of free agents to man the position.
And if Lofton breaks down, we have Bubba and Bernie to back him up. Among the three of them, they should be able to cover it.
surge511
12-08-05, 11:57 AM
There is absolutely no way Lofton comes back. Period.
Irabu's Son
12-08-05, 01:41 PM
Eff Lofton! He's a me-me-me, I-I-I player... Whaaaaaa, I'm not getting what "I" want, whaaaaaa... Jerkoff!
Haha... how do you really feel?
nyks4324
12-08-05, 05:35 PM
I absolutely love lofton...he is ten times better than bernie and crosby...screw batting him ninth....he will not be back as a yank and that is a shame because we can really use him. torre doesnt know how to use certain people and only trusts who he knows...thats the problem with being a yankee. if you are not a torre fave you will not play and you will not play well. I know that if my coach doesnt trust me i dont have as much confidence in myself as i should.
There is no question Lofton didn't act very mature during his time here, but the fact still remains that he should have been used a hell of alot more often than he was. Torre simply refused to play him in a pathetic attempt to keep his loyalty to Bernie, and mark my words when I say it will be the same situation this season.
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