View Full Version : How great would it be to have Pettitte Back....
jcan411
12-06-05, 01:59 PM
Just read this in the JOhn Donovan article in SI. I for one would love to have him back....any thoughts...
• Purpura has let it be known that there aren't many untouchables on his roster, though he's certainly hamstrung by some contracts. Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell, as 10-year veterans who have five years with the Astros, can't be traded without their consent. Pitcher Andy Pettitte and slugger Lance Berkman have no-trade provisions.
Still, the Astros have to do something because they face a budget crunch. The team is on the hook for some $75 million to $80 million for 12 players -- not counting Clemens.
Mattpat11
12-06-05, 02:01 PM
I don't think he's allowed to come back to New York.
Quangormo
12-06-05, 02:04 PM
If Andy is available, GET HIM!!!!! I'd lopve to have him back - an effective LHP, a bulldog, the best lefty pickoff move in baseball, and a good attitude. What more could you want?
Not that it's likely to happen, but what would you give the Astros to entice them to send Andy back to us? Does it start with Pavano? Would the Yankees put Jorge in the deal and then try to sign Ausmus? Would Houston have any use for Womack? Proctor?
rob in boston
12-06-05, 02:08 PM
If Andy is available, GET HIM!!!!! I'd lopve to have him back - an effective LHP, a bulldog, the best lefty pickoff move in baseball, and a good attitude. What more could you want?
Not that it's likely to happen, but what would you give the Astros to entice them to send Andy back to us? Does it start with Pavano? Would the Yankees put Jorge in the deal and then try to sign Ausmus? Would Houston have any use for Womack? Proctor?
his wife won't let him come back. Remember when it came out in Page Six that he was cheating on his wife with some girl in NY and that was the reason his wife told him he had to head home to Houston.
NewEraYanks2527
12-06-05, 02:09 PM
I don't think he's allowed to come back to New York.
Yea I remember reading somewhere that was true. He wanted to go play with his family so why would he want to come back and after what happened why would we want him back. He really broke my heart when he left and I won't be forgiving that anytime soon.
I want him back...
& Bernie
& Tino
& Chuck
& Mikey Stanton
& Boggs
& Charlie Hays
& Cecil
& Raul
& for crying out loud - Paulie O needs to be talked out of retirement along with Jimmie Key
jcan411
12-06-05, 02:16 PM
I want him back...
& Bernie
& Tino
& Chuck
& Mikey Stanton
& Boggs
& Charlie Hays
& Cecil
& Raul
& for crying out loud - Paulie O needs to be talked out of retirement along with Jimmie Key
Agreed,
In all seriousness he is the type of guy made for a playoff team because he is tough as nails to hit against.
If not him though what about trying to pry Lidge?....
From the same article...
One player Purpura didn't mention as an untouchable: Closer Brad Lidge. Purpura declined to answer whether any of the closer-needy teams in the league have asked about Lidge. But he did say "[Lidge] would be an obvious choice" among teams interested in talking about trading for a closer ...
Imagine lidge in the seventh as a bridge for MAriano then have him take over in the next few years...
Yankeeah
12-06-05, 02:19 PM
Considering what it would cost us, no, no I would not.
If Andy is available, GET HIM!!!!! I'd lopve to have him back - an effective LHP, a bulldog, the best lefty pickoff move in baseball, and a good attitude. What more could you want?
Not that it's likely to happen, but what would you give the Astros to entice them to send Andy back to us? Does it start with Pavano? Would the Yankees put Jorge in the deal and then try to sign Ausmus? Would Houston have any use for Womack? Proctor?
The Yankees do NOT want Brad Ausmus and his .250 batting average
Ausmus is way overhyped
StatenIslandYankee
12-06-05, 02:23 PM
Thanks but no thanks.
NelsonMuntz
12-06-05, 02:28 PM
Oh good. It's been at least a month since we had a "Pettitte's overrated/he chose to leave" vs. "he's a winner/we screwed up by not re-signing him" debate.
jcan411
12-06-05, 02:28 PM
The Yankees do NOT want Brad Ausmus and his .250 batting average
Ausmus is way overhyped
How about Biggio for center for one year. He's not too expensive and could be a good stop gap for a few years for melky or for one year for the center FA next year...
not sure his contract, but i bet it would not take too much to get him....he's always productive
It's too late for the Yanks front-office to recover its worst fumble of the 21st Century.
As dandy as it would be to see Andy back where he belongs, I think our only chance to watch Pettitte pitch in pinstripes again is on "Yankee Classics."
Quangormo
12-06-05, 02:40 PM
The Yankees do NOT want Brad Ausmus and his .250 batting average
Ausmus is way overhyped
The idea was to look into him if Jorge had to be included in a deal. He is a very good defensive catcher, and .250 isn't bad.
Quangormo
12-06-05, 02:41 PM
It's too late for the Yanks front-office to recover its worst fumble of the 21st Century.
As dandy as it would be to see Andy back where he belongs, I think our only chance to watch Pettitte pitch in pinstripes again is on "Yankee Classics."
Most likely you're right, but wouldn't it be wonderful if we could bring him back?
Mattpat11
12-06-05, 02:47 PM
It's too late for the Yanks front-office to recover its worst fumble of the 21st Century.
Allowing Andy Pettitte to cheat on his wife?
CaptainThurman
12-06-05, 02:48 PM
Uh, he wouldn't cost anything except money at the end of the 2006 season, since he'll be a free agent.........
Allowing Andy Pettitte to cheat on his wife?
Was that true or just a rumor?
ryanthe13th
12-06-05, 02:51 PM
It's too late for the Yanks front-office to recover its worst fumble of the 21st Century.
As dandy as it would be to see Andy back where he belongs, I think our only chance to watch Pettitte pitch in pinstripes again is on "Yankee Classics."
Worst fumble of the 21st Century? Why?
Pettite barely pitched in 2004 and he had a 4.26 ERA in this years postseason.
Yeah, and just imagine Beltran playing CF behind him
sheeesh
Worst fumble of the 21st Century? Why?
Pettite barely pitched in 2004 and he had a 4.26 ERA in this years postseason.
Since Pettitte left, several of his "replacements" have also spent months on the DL (Brown, Pavano, Wright, to name a few).
Do I have to remind you what his "replacement" Javy Vazquez did for us in October of '04? Or what Brown did for the Yanks in '04?
He was 17-9 last season with a 2.39 ERA last season.
His postseason ERA with the Yanks was 4.05 (compared to 4.26 in this year's postseason) -- and he won 4 World Championships.
They should not have let him go. Terrible fumble in my opinion.
Mattpat11
12-06-05, 03:12 PM
They should not have let him go. Terrible fumble in my opinion. They tried to keep him. Laura Pettitte wanted him out of NY
nycdoc999
12-06-05, 03:13 PM
Why are we even rehashing this subject?
Pettitte is gone. Deal with it. He has a no trade clause, and is not a free agent. End of discussion.
RhodeyYankee2638
12-06-05, 03:13 PM
The Yankees do NOT want Brad Ausmus and his .250 batting average
Ausmus is way overhyped
Doesn't Posada have a career .260 batting average? if we are just talking batting averages here
rightfielder21
12-06-05, 03:14 PM
No thanks...
Quangormo
12-06-05, 03:14 PM
Was that true or just a rumor?
Rumor, as far as I know. Around the time he left, there was a gossip-column item structured as a "What New York athlete" question about a former NY player (didn't even say which team) who had been caught cheating and called home by his furious wife. Because of the timing, everyone assumed it was Andy, but I've never seen any confirmation of that.
They tried to keep him. Laura Pettitte wanted him out of NY
They should have tried harder. They had well-founded concerns about his arm, which blew out the following season, but they low-balled him and allowed him to follow his heart back to Texas.
Mattpat11
12-06-05, 03:18 PM
They should have tried harder. ...Should they have killed his wife?
And I think they offered him more than Houston, didnt they?
Quangormo
12-06-05, 03:19 PM
They tried to keep him.
Not very hard. They lowballed him until it was already too late. Apparently, they thought that repeatedly declaring him their number-one offseason priority woudl be enough.
let's dig up babe ruth and find a set of pinstripes for him while we're digging up former yankees
Mattpat11
12-06-05, 03:21 PM
Not very hard. They lowballed him until it was already too late. Apparently, they thought that repeatedly declaring him their number-one offseason priority woudl be enough. I remember them offering more than the Astros. Is there a way to look this up?
Quangormo
12-06-05, 03:21 PM
...I think they offered him more than Houston, didnt they?
Ultimately, but not until it was too late and the decision had already been made.
...Should they have
And I think they offered him more than Houston, didnt they?
I think he left for more money (could be wrong). I also think his departure had more to do with his family's desires to live in Texas, and his feeling undervalued by the Yankees. That's why I say they should have tried harder.
But as others have said here, he's gone, let's get over it.
If the Yanks somehow bring him back I'll welcome him at Yankee Stadium like a lost brother... until then... moving on... next.
If Andy is available, GET HIM!!!!! I'd lopve to have him back - an effective LHP, a bulldog, the best lefty pickoff move in baseball, and a good attitude. What more could you want?
Not that it's likely to happen, but what would you give the Astros to entice them to send Andy back to us? Does it start with Pavano? Would the Yankees put Jorge in the deal and then try to sign Ausmus? Would Houston have any use for Womack? Proctor?
What would it cost? Start with Cano and Wang....... whoops! I forgot.
rightfielder21
12-06-05, 03:28 PM
I think he left for more money (could be wrong).
Not true... He took less money to go to Texas...
Mattpat11
12-06-05, 03:29 PM
Ultimately, but not until it was too late and the decision had already been made.Its never too late until you sign the contract.
And not to be rude to him because he was a good pitcher, but if he considered the 3/39 or 4/39 (I don't really remember which it was) that we offered him to be low-balling, he has some serious deluions about the kind of pitcher he was.
Have to remember also that the Yankees didn't show an interest that they should have had if they truly wanted to resign him.
Its never too late until you sign the contract.
And not to be rude to him because he was a good pitcher, but if he considered the 3/39 or 4/39 (I don't really remember which it was) that we offered him to be low-balling, he has some serious deluions about the kind of pitcher he was.
It's lowballing when you compare it to what they gave Kevin Brown.
Quangormo
12-06-05, 03:32 PM
if he considered the 3/39 or 4/39 (I don't really remember which it was) that we offered him to be low-balling, he has some serious deluions about the kind of pitcher he was.
Well, the Astros thought more of him than that, didn't they?
Have to remember also that the Yankees didn't show an interest that they should have had if they truly wanted to resign him.
Yeah offering him more money showed they had little interest in him.
Yeah offering him more money showed they had little interest in him.
You... always trying to infuse logic into posts. What the heck is wrong with you?
Mattpat11
12-06-05, 03:45 PM
It's lowballing when you compare it to what they gave Kevin Brown. A) Kevin Brown was better than Andy Pettitte.
B) That was a Dodger contract
Well, the Astros thought more of him than that, didn't they? They offered him less
You... always trying to infuse logic into posts. What the heck is wrong with you?
I'm sorry John, we should be praying that the greatest postseason pitcher of all time forgives us for hurting his feelings and comes back to us.
My understanding is that Pettitte (and Pettitte's father?) were a little upset that it took three weeks (or however long it was) before they even received a phone call. In the meantime, the Astros had been courting Andy the entire time.
My understanding is that it was more about respect than anything else. Andy had wanted to return to the Yanks, and had expected to return, but felt slighted.
I'm sorry John, we should be praying that the greatest postseason pitcher of all time forgives us for hurting his feelings and comes back to us.
Thank you.
That is our only hope you know.
Well, that and if Jeff Nelson decides he wants to be a Yankee again.
rightfielder21
12-06-05, 03:54 PM
You... always trying to infuse logic into posts. What the heck is wrong with you?
Sam always does that, he should be banned...
[QUOTE=Mattpat11]A) Kevin Brown was better than Andy Pettitte.
QUOTE]
at what? hurting himself?
Sam always does that, he should be banned...
Not banned, sternly reprimanded though.
HouseThatRingsBuild
12-06-05, 03:55 PM
Why are we even rehashing this subject?
Pettitte is gone. Deal with it. He has a no trade clause, and is not a free agent. End of discussion.
Yeah, this is getting me upset
Wang's Groundballs
12-06-05, 03:59 PM
My understanding is that Pettitte (and Pettitte's father?) were a little upset that it took three weeks (or however long it was) before they even received a phone call. In the meantime, the Astros had been courting Andy the entire time.
My understanding is that it was more about respect than anything else. Andy had wanted to return to the Yanks, and had expected to return, but felt slighted.
Yet Cashman denied those reports.
It was a nice little story so that Pettitte didn't look like he wanted to (had to) leave New York, though.
Yeah, this is getting me upset
I was crying a little earlier, but I've pulled it together.
hellonewman
12-06-05, 03:59 PM
Nothing like the mention of the name "Andy Pettitte" to start a Three Stooges-style pie-throwing fight in here.
[QUOTE=Mattpat11]A) Kevin Brown was better than Andy Pettitte.
QUOTE]
at what? hurting himself?
At pitching.
Wang's Groundballs
12-06-05, 04:00 PM
Sam always does that, he should be banned...
At a minimum he should have his leg broken.
surge511
12-06-05, 05:08 PM
I really want Pettite back. He could be such a strong anchor to the staff like he was for so many years while we break in pitchers like Clippard and Hughes. He should be brought back here, where he belongs, to finish out his career. Plus, it would once give us another dominant lefty in the rotation, who would outlast Randy. He would be a great pickup.
I am interested in Zito, and I wonder why we haven't been mentioned as possible suitors for him. We probably have nothing to give up, but we should at least inquire - he's one of the best in the game. I think I would give up Wang for Zito.
Can we move on already? I can see the emotional attachment but he decided to leave the Yankees. This sounds like battered wife syndrome.
Can we move on already? I can see the emotional attachment but he decided to leave the Yankees. This sounds like battered wife syndrome.Andy Petite was a great & powerful Yankee. Andy Pettite helped the Yankees win many Championships. Andy Petitte has the best pick off move in the game. Andy Petttite is a winner. Andy Petittte will always be a Yankee in my eyes no matter what kinda pajama-looking uniform he puts on these days.
Mattpat11
12-06-05, 05:43 PM
At pitching.In fact, his career numbers are still better than Andy's.
rightfielder21
12-06-05, 05:43 PM
I really want Pettite back.
Pettitte....
This is one of the main reasons I'm gald he is gone...
At pitching.
You're saying Brown is better than Pettitte?
Are we talking about the same Kevin Brown? The guy who's gone 14-13 for the Yankees over the past two seasons with a 2 year avg. ERA of 5.48?
Are you saying Kevin Brown is better than Andy Pettitte who has gone 23-13 over the past two seasons with a 2 yr. avg. ERA of 3.19?
Are you saying Kevin Brown who has a career winning percentage of .594 is a better pitcher than Pettitte who has a career winning percentage of .654?
I'll grant you that Brown's career ERA of 3.28 is better than Pettitte's 3.78 but when you consider that Brown has played 8 years in the DH-less National League to Pettitte's 2 seasons, their ERA's are pretty much equal.
Don't get me started on who has the better pick-off move, and who's the better fit for the Yankees being a lefty, and who has more World Series rings, and who is 7 years younger.
Don't get me started on who's the better man to have in your clubhouse, unless of course you prefer pitchers who like to miss the last month of the season because they punch clubhouse walls.
The only thing Brown is better at than Pettitte is hurting himself.
Crosby18
12-06-05, 09:02 PM
It would also be great to have Nick Johnson back and to have D'anglo Jiminez back and to have Roger Clemns back. This list goes on and on and on and on for a countless amount of former yankees and current All-stars.
If it wasn't for Petttittte the Yankees would only have something like 38 World Championships. Remember when Andrew picked that guy off first base? Remember?
Mattpat11
12-06-05, 10:37 PM
You're saying Brown is better than Pettitte?
Are we talking about the same Kevin Brown? The guy who's gone 14-13 for the Yankees over the past two seasons with a 2 year avg. ERA of 5.48?
Are you saying Kevin Brown is better than Andy Pettitte who has gone 23-13 over the past two seasons with a 2 yr. avg. ERA of 3.19?
Well, if you're going to completely disregard their careers and focus on only the last two years, you can come to whatever conclusion you want.
Well, if you're going to completely disregard their careers and focus on only the last two years, you can come to whatever conclusion you want.
I considered their career numbers. Here's what I said about their careers in the post you referred to:
"Are you saying Kevin Brown who has a career winning percentage of .594 is a better pitcher than Pettitte who has a career winning percentage of .654?
I'll grant you that Brown's career ERA of 3.28 is better than Pettitte's 3.78 but when you consider that Brown has played 8 years in the DH-less National League to Pettitte's 2 seasons, their ERA's are pretty much equal.
Don't get me started on who has the better pick-off move, and who's the better fit for the Yankees being a lefty, and who has more World Series rings, and who is 7 years younger.
Don't get me started on who's the better man to have in your clubhouse, unless of course you prefer pitchers who like to miss the last month of the season because they punch clubhouse walls.
The only thing Brown is better at than Pettitte is hurting himself."
Stan Musial
12-06-05, 11:09 PM
Pettitte...he's a soft tosser. He was lit up during the NLCS and he didnt fare all that well in the WS, either. I think his best days are behind him.
NewEraYanks2527
12-06-05, 11:11 PM
If the Yankees want Pettitte back so badly just wait a year and he is a free agent. There is no point in giving up anything of value for someone that we can get in a year and that may not even want to be here or get a contract extension beyond that one year.
Snatch Catch
12-06-05, 11:13 PM
I don't want Pettitte back.
Mattpat11
12-06-05, 11:37 PM
I considered their career numbers. Here's what I said about their careers in the post you referred to:
"Are you saying Kevin Brown who has a career winning percentage of .594 is a better pitcher than Pettitte who has a career winning percentage of .654?
" Winning percentage is a ridiculous way to compare pitchers.
I'll grant you that Brown's career ERA of 3.28 is better than Pettitte's 3.78 but when you consider that Brown has played 8 years in the DH-less National League to Pettitte's 2 seasons, their ERA's are pretty much equal. Or you can just compare their ERA+
Brown is better.
Don't get me started on who has the better pick-off move, and who's the better fit for the Yankees being a lefty, Having a better pick-off move does not make one a better pitcher. And I'm not sure why being a lefty "makes you a better fit"
more World Series rings Irrelevant.
Don't get me started on who's the better man to have in your clubhouse, Really irrelevant.
Andrew Ptittete is a Yankee. He'll always be a Yankee & someday they (the Yankees) will retire his number and give him a monument right in Center Field near the flagpole.
If it wasn't for Petttittte the Yankees would only have something like 38 World Championships. Remember when Andrew picked that guy off first base? Remember?
Youre tearing me up :)
TEPLimey
12-06-05, 11:49 PM
The Yankees do NOT want Brad Ausmus and his .250 batting average
Ausmus is way overhyped
Brad Ausmus is overrated almost as much as Darin Erstad
Or you can just compare their ERA+
Brown is better.
127 to 120? Brown's not exactly mopping up the floor with Pettitte, is he? Especially when you consider that most of Brown's advantage comes from one amazing year he had with Florida.
Having a better pick-off move does not make one a better pitcher. And I'm not sure why being a lefty "makes you a better fit"
Given the short porch in right field, and the deep alley in left, left-handed pitchers are useful at Yankee Stadium.
Or so goes the old adage, anyway...
Really irrelevant.
Clubhouse chemistry, while often overrated, is certainly not "irrelevant."
I'm not making this post because I think Pettitte is world's better than Brown or anything. Nor do I necessarily want Pettitte back on the Yanks.
However, there is no way you could get me to definitively say that Brown is the better choice than Pettitte... especially at that point in time when Brown was 38, Pettitte was 31, and Pettitte would have commanded about $4-5 million less per year.
Mattpat11
12-07-05, 12:38 AM
Given the short porch in right field, and the deep alley in left, left-handed pitchers are useful at Yankee Stadium.
Or right handers who get lefties out at the same rate that good lefties might. Like a Kevin Brown.
127 to 120? Brown's not exactly mopping up the floor with Pettitte, is he? No, but its still a better number. It probably wouldn't be as close if they didn't have career best and worst years respectively this year as well.
Clubhouse chemistry, while often overrated, is certainly not "irrelevant." IMO "Clubhouse Chemistry" until somehow proven to have an impact a team negatively or positively, is nothing more than a crutch for people to use against getting a "malcontent" or for getting a mediocre "nice guy" Teams that had people that absolutely hated each other have won the world championship.
Andy Peie (fill in your own t's) might be, perhaps, arguably be the greatest Yankee to ever play the game. He threw pitches that batters often made outs with. He blocked batted balls with all parts of his very own body to make sure people like Juan Pierre never got an infield inside the park home run. Did Babe Ruth ever do that? I don't think so.
After the Yankees let him get away they should have never had another pitcher.
DandyAndy46
12-07-05, 08:52 AM
Andy Peie (fill in your own t's) might be, perhaps, arguably be the greatest Yankee to ever play the game. He threw pitches that batters often made outs with. He blocked batted balls with all parts of his very own body to make sure people like Juan Pierre never got an infield inside the park home run. Did Babe Ruth ever do that? I don't think so.
After the Yankees let him get away they should have never had another pitcher.
I miss Andy, but this is hilarious....stop it...you're killing me....
DandyAndy46
12-07-05, 08:54 AM
On a serious note....Andy was my favorite Yankee...but you know what...it's done and over with...he's moved on, he's closer to his family, he's pitching with his buddy...time to move on because I'm sure Andy has...time to focus on 2006, not lament the 2003 mistakes...
jcan411
12-07-05, 09:04 AM
I brought this up before and it seemed a little lost, but I bet it would be much cheaper (contractwise) to trade for lidge as a set-up guy and have him for the futureto go along with farnsworth. The article goes so far as mentioning specifically that lidge is not untouchable so why not try to get him.
Can you imagine a farnsworth-lidge-mariano combo at the end of the game.
Maybe this should be its own thread....
NewEraYanks2527
12-07-05, 09:49 AM
Andy Peie (fill in your own t's) might be, perhaps, arguably be the greatest Yankee to ever play the game. He threw pitches that batters often made outs with. He blocked batted balls with all parts of his very own body to make sure people like Juan Pierre never got an infield inside the park home run. Did Babe Ruth ever do that? I don't think so.
After the Yankees let him get away they should have never had another pitcher.
I really hope you are being sarcastic about that.
Andrew Ptittete is a Yankee. He'll always be a Yankee & someday they (the Yankees) will retire his number and give him a monument right in Center Field near the flagpole.
I really don't ever see #46 being retired by the Yankees, they already had given it to Embree last year.
With Mo getting a year older every year, the Yankees need to start thinking about a replacement closer. I think Attnttdtty Pttettitte could be that man. He can throw that ball and win. I don't think many teams would be happy to see him come out of that bull pen to the tune of Candy Man in the ninth inning with the game on the line.
I'd start throwing this idea out there now.
NewEraYanks2527
12-07-05, 09:55 AM
With Mo getting a year older every year, the Yankees need to start thinking about a replacement closer. I think Attnttdtty Pttettitte could be that man. He can throw that ball and win. I don't think many teams would be happy to see him come out of that bull pen to the tune of Candy Man in the ninth inning with the game on the line.
I'd start throwing this idea out there now.
:lol: The Candy man can cause he sprinkles it with love and makes the world taste good!
:lol: The Candy man can cause he sprinkles it with love and makes the world taste good!
Exackly
George Steinbrenner
12-07-05, 11:59 AM
it would be fantastic to have Dandy Andy Pettitte again. hopefully Clemens comes back and they are stuck paying him 20 mill, taking their payroll past 100 mil without even having a 25 man roster!! :D Then we swoop in like vultures and give them Sean Henn and cash and we got my favorite Yankee back in pinstripes! :gets up and dances around the room: YEA! Dandy Andy woo woo!
LongLiveBernie51!
12-07-05, 12:40 PM
Forget Andy Pettitte....I've been hoping they get Jeff Weaver back again.
surge511
12-07-05, 01:12 PM
I want him back. If he has any interest at all in coming back to the Yankees, I would seriously look into him next offseason.
Mr. Andy Ptttte needs to come back to the Yankees. Can anyone forget the intense look on his eyes as he peered in for the sign from the Yankee catcher? Can anyone forget the confused look he had after the sign was given? Does anyone remember laughter?
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