View Full Version : Cheap FA alternatives. Should we consider any?
Cheap deals? Sleepers?
DH - Erubiel Durazo -Maybe we should take a chance on this guy if we can get him for cheap since he's coming off injury.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6293
Bullpen - Julian Tavarez, ok not exactly a lesser known known name but he's a solid reliever that might not break the bank.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5103
Bullpen - Scott Sullivan
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3223
Bullpen - Joey Eischen
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5266
Fourth Outfielder - Danny Bautista
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5150
DH vs righties/Bench - Mark Sweeney
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=3312
Bullpen - Jim Mecir
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5506
Yankyfan
12-02-05, 07:06 PM
Eichens name has come up.
nyg02005
12-02-05, 07:09 PM
Cheap deals? Sleepers?
DH - Erubiel Durazo -Maybe we should take a chance on this guy if we can get him for cheap since he's coming off injury.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6293
Bullpen - Julian Tavarez, ok not exactly a lesser known known name but he's a solid reliever that might not break the bank.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5103
Bullpen - Scott Sullivan
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3223
Bullpen - Joey Eischen
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5266
Fourth Outfielder - Danny Bautista
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5150
DH vs righties/Bench - Mark Sweeney
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=3312
Bullpen - Jim Mecir
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5506
Is this the same danny baustista who retired? Scott sullivan was once good.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
12-02-05, 07:13 PM
I like Durazo, but think he would want to start even after his 05 season. I like Eischen, I think Bautista retired, I don't like Tavares for what he is going to get, I like sweeny against tough right handers late in games, no thanks to the rest.
Is this the same danny baustista who retired? Scott sullivan was once good.
Picked him off the list of free agents. No idea if he retired, sorry if he did.
Babe Rules
12-02-05, 07:17 PM
Mark Sweeney could be a good pick up.
nyg02005
12-02-05, 07:18 PM
Picked him off the list of free agents. No idea if he retired, sorry if he did.
He signed with the drays in the offseason and then retired during spring training
38Special
12-02-05, 07:18 PM
Mecir also retired.
TheGameEpisode2
12-02-05, 07:31 PM
No Rudy Seanez?
I'd perfer him over Taveras (though I'd still like Taveras).
Those are some pretty decent suggestions. The only problems I see are that Mark Sweeney is supposedly entertaining 2 year offers from the Mets and Padres. Furthermore, Danny Bautista retired last spring. Also, Mecir and Sullivan just aren't that good anymore.
My Budget Ideas would be the following:
They are all mostly young and cheap --
According to our current holes:
Backup 1b: Travis Lee, Wes Helms, Doug Mientkiewicz
INF: Miguel Cairo, Rich Aurilia, Mark Bellhorn
OF: Dustan Mohr, Terrence Long, Orlando Palmeiro
RP: Rudy Seanez, Shigetoshi Hasegawa, Vic Darensbourg
ring403
12-02-05, 07:35 PM
My sleeper pick is Rudy Seanez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=2257)
He's older, and prone to injury, so he'll probably be cheap. When he's healthy, he's pretty damned good. Might be worth an incentive laden deal.
My sleeper pick is Rudy Seanez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=2257)
He's older, and prone to injury, so he'll probably be cheap. When he's healthy, he's pretty damned good. Might be worth an incentive laden deal.
I like him too but the Yanks will have to drive a truck full of gold up to his house to convince him to leave his comfort zone in SD. For a guy like Seanez, I would gladly do 2 years/$5 million
tavarez and durazo are my pick
RhodeyYankee2638
12-02-05, 07:50 PM
, Doug Mientkiewicz
If we signed him, we should buy the ball off of him for $5 mil and implode it with the stadium in 2008 or 2009
If we signed him, we should buy the ball off of him for $5 mil and implode it with the stadium in 2008 or 2009
or at least rent it to the Red Sox on the condition that every time we play them David Ortiz must attempt to steal a base.
RhodeyYankee2638
12-02-05, 07:56 PM
or at least rent it to the Red Sox on the condition that every time we play them David Ortiz must attempt to steal a base.
or bench him altogether
ring403
12-02-05, 08:59 PM
Chad Fox (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3689) is another guy who has had his career interrupted several times, but has been very good when healthy. He could be another candidate to take a flyer on with a cheap, incentive laden deal.
Those are some pretty decent suggestions. The only problems I see are that Mark Sweeney is supposedly entertaining 2 year offers from the Mets and Padres. Furthermore, Danny Bautista retired last spring. Also, Mecir and Sullivan just aren't that good anymore.
My Budget Ideas would be the following:
They are all mostly young and cheap --
According to our current holes:
Backup 1b: Travis Lee, Wes Helms, Doug Mientkiewicz
INF: Miguel Cairo, Rich Aurilia, Mark Bellhorn
OF: Dustan Mohr, Terrence Long, Orlando Palmeiro
RP: Rudy Seanez, Shigetoshi Hasegawa, Vic Darensbourg
Back 1b = Lee
Inf = Cairo
OF = Long (since he can play all outfield positions)
RP = Seanez
or at least rent it to the Red Sox on the condition that every time we play them David Ortiz must attempt to steal a base.
I would rather have Ortiz play first base for a good laugh.
I am more in favor of tweaking our current roster rather than blowing it apart.
Trade Jason Anderson and Kevin Thompson to the Cubs for Jerry Hairston Jr.
Sign Travis Lee as a late inning replacement and occasional 1B
Sign Miguel Cairo to be our utility infielder
Trade Scott Proctor, Tony Womack and cash for Ron Villone
Sign Rudy Seanez
Sign Richard Hidalgo
By January, I would ideally like to see a roster as follows:
1. Jorge Posada
2. Kelly Stinnett
3. Jason Giambi
4. Travis Lee
5. Robinson Cano
6. Derek Jeter
7. Alex Rodriguez
8. Miguel Cairo
9. Jerry Hairston Jr.
10. Hideki Matsui
11. Gary Sheffield
12. Richard Hidalgo
13. Bubba Crosby
14. Randy Johnson
15. Mike Mussina
16. Carl Pavano
17. Chien-Ming Wang
18. Shawn Chacon
19. Jaret Wright
20. Mariano Rivera
21. Kyle Farnsworth
22. Ron Villone
23. Rudy Seanez
24. Tanyon Sturtze
25. Aaron Small
This means that we will have an opening day lineup of:
Derek Jeter ss
Jerry Hairston Jr. cf
Alex Rodriguez 3b
Jason Giambi 1b
Gary Sheffield dh
Hideki Matsui lf
Robinson Cano 2b
Jorge Posada c
Richard Hidalgo rf
The rotation at the start of the season should be:
Johnson, Mussina, Chacon, Pavano, Wang
The Bullpen duties will break down this way:
Closer: Mo
8th inning: Farnsworth
7th inning: Sturtze/Seanez
LHRP: Villone
RHRP: Wright
Long man: Small
Notes:
Miguel Cairo is an excellent player to have on the bench and he did everything we could have expected from him in 2004.
Travis Lee provides superb defense at 1b and is a pretty solid lefty bat to have on the bench. When we need to inset him during the 7th inning, he won't be a waste of ABs.
Jerry Hairston Jr has always been a favorite of mine. He has a lot of tools and talent but has either been misused or nagged by injuries. He has started 80 games in center over the past two seasons and has done a commendable job. His ability to provide plus defense as an infielder means that he can provide valuable depth. If he goes down with an injury, Bubba can provide reliable solid defense and few hits here and there.
Richard Hidalgo appears to be a dirty word among baseball fans these days. He can be maddeningly inconsistent; an elite hitter for a couple of weeks and a AAA player for a month. His one consistent asset is his phenomenal defense. His cannon as a rightfielder means that we won't see extrabases taken for granted. If he is truly dreadful as a hitter, we can simply put Sheff back and rotate the DH spot between Matsui, Giambi and Posada.
Ron Villone might seem like a risk but the Marlins stupidly used him against righties for 4-5 outs at a time and he struggled mightily. I have few doubts that he can be the LHRP we need, with Matt Smith ready to step in if needed.
Rudy Seanez will be a challenging sign but would be worth 2 years for $5-6 million. If we can't snag him, I would feel comfortable with guys like Tavarez or Looper. Worst case scenario is that we give a spot to the enigmatic Colter Bean.
One big challenge will be finding innings for Jaret Wright and Aaron Small. It is reasonable to expect that one of them will eventually have to join the rotation. RJ, Moose, Wang and Pavano all missed starts last season due to injury. Wright, if healthy, would probably get the first call to the rotation. Small might be included in a trade but it is more likely that he works as our long-man.
By following my unusual plan we lose guys we either weren't using (Anderson and Thompson) or didn't want (Womack).
I put a lot of thought into this so let me know what you think :)
JeffWeaverFan
12-02-05, 10:38 PM
No Rudy Seanez?
I'd perfer him over Taveras (though I'd still like Taveras).
I'm 100% with you. Seanez would be great for our 7th innings, probably better than Taveraz.
AMYanks
12-02-05, 10:42 PM
I'd like to sign Durazo, but we need the DH spot for some other guys on the team.
ring403
12-02-05, 10:46 PM
Taveraz is a Scott Boras client, so he's not going to sign with anyone anytime soon, and he definitely won't be cheap.
Mark:
Why would Travis Lee sign with a team who plans to sit him on the bench almost every game? Someone will give him more regular playing time.
Why would the Cubs trade Hairston for crap?
Why would the Marlins have any desire for Tony Womack? Even free, an old guy with 1 year left on his deal has no value to them.
Hidalgo stopped being an enigmatic player two years ago. He's just been a bad hitter almost all of the time in 2004 and 2005.
Carrying 12 pitchers is a bad idea. There simply aren't enough innings to give all of the relievers regular work, and when you combine this with Torre's bullpen management style, you just end up with guys who sit on the end of the bench anyway, essentially throwing a roster spot away.
Why would you ever give Jerry Hairston the 2nd most plate appearences on the team?
I like Cairo, but I would still prefer a backup infielder who can actually play SS.
Mark:
Why would Travis Lee sign with a team who plans to sit him on the bench almost every game? Someone will give him more regular playing time.
Why would the Cubs trade Hairston for crap?
Why would the Marlins have any desire for Tony Womack? Even free, an old guy with 1 year left on his deal has no value to them.
Hidalgo stopped being an enigmatic player two years ago. He's just been a bad hitter almost all of the time in 2004 and 2005.
Carrying 12 pitchers is a bad idea. There simply aren't enough innings to give all of the relievers regular work, and when you combine this with Torre's bullpen management style, you just end up with guys who sit on the end of the bench anyway, essentially throwing a roster spot away.
Why would you ever give Jerry Hairston the 2nd most plate appearences on the team?
I like Cairo, but I would still prefer a backup infielder who can actually play SS.
All legit concerns --
Travis Lee isn't going to be a starter everywhere. He is a largely one-dimensional player who has defensive replacement/platoon player written all over him. He signed with us two years ago when we already had Tony Clark and Giambi on the roster.
Jason Anderson isn't crap, in fact he has some talent but never had a chance to show it off. The odds are still decent that KT can be a major league outfielder and he might interest the Cubs. Hairston is due to make $2 million+ next season and Dusty Baker isn't using him enough. He fell behind Corey Patterson on the depth chart and would be an awfully expensive 4th OF with Murton, Pie and a FA likely on the way. The Cubs still have Neifi Perez, Ronny Cedeno and Todd Walker clogging up the infield. Anderson and Thompson may not be the best chips but Hairston won't cost that much.
The Marlins would probably view Womack as a free veteran infielder who has had some success in the NL. He would be a better option at 2B than some of the guys they are currently thinking about now. Either way, we would be paying his salary.
Hidalgo would come for his defense. He won't revert to the guy who clubbed 44 HRs but he is still capable of giving you .250-20-70 with a OBP no worse than Bernie's.
12 pitchers is a problem but I couldn't think of a creative way to trade either Small or Wright.
Hairston was a great lead-off hitter for the Orioles in limited time. He could be a 9 hitter but I'm still resistant to putting A-Rod behind Jeter.
You are right about Cairo not being much of a SS. He has only started 8 games there over the past 3 seasons. If in an emergency it becomes a big issue, that guy Alex is supposed to have a decent glove at the position.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-02-05, 11:14 PM
I'd take Tavarez...
All legit concerns --
Travis Lee isn't going to be a starter everywhere. He is a largely one-dimensional player who has defensive replacement/platoon player written all over him. He signed with us two years ago when we already had Tony Clark and Giambi on the roster.
He signed because the job was to be the nearly everyday first baseman. You are now talking about a role where he gets to be a defensive sub in the 9th inning and might get a couple of hundred at bats when he's been a regular player every season of his career. Someone will give him more playing time than that. He'll take it.
Jason Anderson isn't crap, in fact he has some talent but never had a chance to show it off. The odds are still decent that KT can be a major league outfielder and he might interest the Cubs. Hairston is due to make $2 million+ next season and Dusty Baker isn't using him enough. He fell behind Corey Patterson on the depth chart and would be an awfully expensive 4th OF with Murton, Pie and a FA likely on the way. The Cubs still have Neifi Perez, Ronny Cedeno and Todd Walker clogging up the infield. Anderson and Thompson may not be the best chips but Hairston won't cost that much.
The Cubs just dumped a much better, younger minor league reliever because they didn't have a spot for him. They have no need for Anderson. They also have their own version of Thompson. They have no use for him either. You have to trade something that the cubs could actually use to get Hairston. Someone will.
The Marlins would probably view Womack as a free veteran infielder who has had some success in the NL. He would be a better option at 2B than some of the guys they are currently thinking about now. Either way, we would be paying his salary.
He would be taking up a spot better spent on just about any minor league second baseman in the system. If the Marlins are going young, they are going to do so to develop young players, not waste spots on guys who have no future with them.
Hidalgo would come for his defense. He won't revert to the guy who clubbed 44 HRs but he is still capable of giving you .250-20-70 with a OBP no worse than Bernie's.
You can only get so much out of RF defense...there just aren't that many balls hit that way. It would more than be wiped out by the fact that he is substantially below average offensivley for a RF. BTW, his OBP the last 2 years have been .301 and .289...the last coming in Texas, a great park for right handed hitters. Sorry, this is the player he is now...a poor man's Raul Mondesi at the end of his line.
12 pitchers is a problem but I couldn't think of a creative way to trade either Small or Wright.
Then don't trade for Villone or sign Seanez.
Hairston was a great lead-off hitter for the Orioles in limited time. He could be a 9 hitter but I'm still resistant to putting A-Rod behind Jeter.
Why? He's the best hitter on the team. There's no reason to not maximize the number of chances he gets to hit. Lineup construction beyond that has very little effect on run scoring.
You are right about Cairo not being much of a SS. He has only started 8 games there over the past 3 seasons. If in an emergency it becomes a big issue, that guy Alex is supposed to have a decent glove at the position.
Alex is now 2 seasons removed from playing shortstop and has significantly changed his body. That ship is soon going to sail, if it hasn't already.
He signed because the job was to be the nearly everyday first baseman. You are now talking about a role where he gets to be a defensive sub in the 9th inning and might get a couple of hundred at bats when he's been a regular player every season of his career. Someone will give him more playing time than that. He'll take it.
The Cubs just dumped a much better, younger minor league reliever because they didn't have a spot for him. They have no need for Anderson. They also have their own version of Thompson. They have no use for him either. You have to trade something that the cubs could actually use to get Hairston. Someone will.
He would be taking up a spot better spent on just about any minor league second baseman in the system. If the Marlins are going young, they are going to do so to develop young players, not waste spots on guys who have no future with them.
You can only get so much out of RF defense...there just aren't that many balls hit that way. It would more than be wiped out by the fact that he is substantially below average offensivley for a RF. BTW, his OBP the last 2 years have been .301 and .289...the last coming in Texas, a great park for right handed hitters. Sorry, this is the player he is now...a poor man's Raul Mondesi at the end of his line.
Then don't trade for Villone or sign Seanez.
Why? He's the best hitter on the team. There's no reason to not maximize the number of chances he gets to hit. Lineup construction beyond that has very little effect on run scoring.
Alex is now 2 seasons removed from playing shortstop and has significantly changed his body. That ship is soon going to sail, if it hasn't already.
I didn't have a very clear idea of what certain players might be worth in a trade but I remain confident that by hook or by crook, we should put these guys on the roster.
Lee cannot hit lefties very well and doesn't generate enough power to be given a lot of ABs as a 1B. I think he would take a role on the Yankees as starter 1 or 2 games a week and a defensive replacement the rest of the time.
Based on the Cubs current plans, Hairston looks to be expendable and we can both agree that he won't cost a ton. For what he can give us, I wouldn't be opposed to giving up a couple of decent prospects.
Villone and Seanez would be great additions to our bullpen. Villone is owed quite a bit of cash for a guy who struggled in Miami. I suspect they will send him off for any young arm with potential.
As for your concerns about getting enough innings, a team desperate for pitching will likely give us a youngster with some upside on the chance that Small wasn't a fluke.
You and I simply disagree on what Hidalgo is capable of. The last two seasons would indicate that he has regressed into a hopeless mess. I still think his defense and power make him an interesting risk. There aren't a lot of cheap options out there for a defensive whiz to play right field. Juan Encarnacion and Jacque Jones come to mind, as to lesser players like Larry Bigbie, Dustan Mohr and Terrence Long.
Since you view Womack as being completely worthless as a trade chip, perhaps we could carry him as well and have him backup Jeter.
StatenIslandYankee
12-03-05, 12:48 AM
Sweeney and Tavarez
I didn't have a very clear idea of what certain players might be worth in a trade but I remain confident that by hook or by crook, we should put these guys on the roster.
You can't approach player acquisition like that. You can only set your price and stick to it.
Lee cannot hit lefties very well and doesn't generate enough power to be given a lot of ABs as a 1B. I think he would take a role on the Yankees as starter 1 or 2 games a week and a defensive replacement the rest of the time.
Lee had 400 plate appearences last year despite starting the season on the DL. He had over 500 the year before that, the year before that, etc. There is no reason for him to take a job where he gets to play once a week.
Based on the Cubs current plans, Hairston looks to be expendable and we can both agree that he won't cost a ton. For what he can give us, I wouldn't be opposed to giving up a couple of decent prospects.
What decent prospects? Anderson and KT aren't them. The Cubs have some 40 man roster issues. You have to give them players that are better than what they have or they are just going to have to waive someone who is exactly the same as what they just traded for.
Villone and Seanez would be great additions to our bullpen. Villone is owed quite a bit of cash for a guy who struggled in Miami. I suspect they will send him off for any young arm with potential.
That's not what I'm saying. There's room for one more arm on the 25 man roster unless someone gets traded. As much as it would be nice to get them both, I'd imagine it's more a matter of picking one or the other in your scenaro.
As for your concerns about getting enough innings, a team desperate for pitching will likely give us a youngster with some upside on the chance that Small wasn't a fluke.
I wouldn't make a trade anything with upside for Small. It's just not worth it, which means he's more valuable to the Yankees becaue they already have him. I would take him as a throw in in a larger deal, but he certainly can't be the centerpiece of anything of importance.
You and I simply disagree on what Hidalgo is capable of. The last two seasons would indicate that he has regressed into a hopeless mess. I still think his defense and power make him an interesting risk. There aren't a lot of cheap options out there for a defensive whiz to play right field. Juan Encarnacion and Jacque Jones come to mind, as to lesser players like Larry Bigbie, Dustan Mohr and Terrence Long.
What power? This is a guy who put up a .190 ISOP in, again, a great park for rh hitters last year (he hit .205/.267/.374 on the road). When it comes down to it, he's had good power years twice, so he doesn't hit for great power and can't get on base. There just aren't enough balls hit to RF for 'great RF defense' to have that much of an impact or make up for what is a below replacement level bat for the position.
Jaque Jones is a substantially better player.
Since you view Womack as being completely worthless as a trade chip, perhaps we could carry him as well and have him backup Jeter.
Nope, I'd just waive him. I'm just saying Florida has absolutely no use for him. Now you just need to come up with more to get Villone.
nyyanksfan20
12-03-05, 01:18 AM
For the bullpen how about some of these guys assuming they come cheap Joey Eischen, Shiggy Hasegewa, Matt Mantei, Rudy Seanz, and Giovanni Carrara.
Also for 1b how about J.T. Snow?
For an extra outfielder how about Todd Hollandsworth or Terrance Long? Even though the real guy I would like to have would be Jacque Jones but he would obviously cost more and would be more of an everyday player allowing Sheff to DH.
You can't approach player acquisition like that. You can only set your price and stick to it.
So let me get this straight, are we disagreeing on whether or not Hairston, Seanez, Villone and Lee would be good additions or do we just disagree on how to get them?
So let me get this straight, are we disagreeing on whether or not Hairston, Seanez, Villone and Lee would be good additions or do we just disagree on how to get them?
They'd be fine. I just don't see how it happens as you laid it out. Heck, I'd love to populate the entire bench with guys who could play regularly, but we know that won't happen, because ballplayers tend to go where they can play the most ball. I'd love to trade backup outfielders and RH relievers in their late twenties with little or no ML experience and get back an up the middle major league position players, but I know that doesn't happen. I'd love to be able to carry 26 players, but I know that can't happen.
They'd be fine. I just don't see how it happens as you laid it out. Heck, I'd love to populate the entire bench with guys who could play regularly, but we know that won't happen, because ballplayers tend to go where they can play the most ball. I'd love to trade backup outfielders and RH relievers in their late twenties with little or no ML experience and get back an up the middle major league position players, but I know that doesn't happen. I'd love to be able to carry 26 players, but I know that can't happen.
Fair enough, if we were to think more reasonably, say:
Phillips to spell Giambi
Cairo for IF (I know you don't like his SS but if Jeter misses time, we'll just call up Escalona)
Use Bubba for the 4th OF spot
We sign Encarnacion or Jacque Jones for RF
Keep Small and Wright
Attempt to acquire Ron Villone via trade
Attempt to acquire either Marlon Byrd, Ryan Church or Brad Wilkerson via trade.
That's fine. I'd go for Jones over Encarnacion as I can platoon him and probably end up with better overall production. Bubba is really a 5th outfielder when you get down to it. The 4th outfielder should be more of a corner type who can hit.
Yankees1962
12-03-05, 05:23 AM
I'd take Tavarez...
Tavarez's agent is Boras, he's not going to come cheap and will probably sign sometime after the Winter Meetings. I think the Yankees need to go in another direction.
Also, I think the Red Sox will offer Myers arbitration and he will accept, unless, somebody gives him a multi-year contract.
I don't expect the Yankees to sign any other player until after December 7th.
Stupid Flanders
12-03-05, 07:39 AM
Eichen, ok.
BigBats
12-03-05, 09:33 AM
I think we may have to look at some cheap alternatives...
Eischen is looking good...
NYDCYankee
12-03-05, 10:04 AM
Reggie Sanders to DH and play the outfield.
I also like the idea of trying to acquire Carlos Pena in any deal with Detroit that would include Pavano. Maybe Granderson and Pena for Pavano.
buntsalot2
12-03-05, 11:44 AM
Fair enough, if we were to think more reasonably, say:
Phillips to spell Giambi
Cairo for IF (I know you don't like his SS but if Jeter misses time, we'll just call up Escalona)
Use Bubba for the 4th OF spot
We sign Encarnacion or Jacque Jones for RF
Keep Small and Wright
Attempt to acquire Ron Villone via trade
Attempt to acquire either Marlon Byrd, Ryan Church or Brad Wilkerson via trade.
much much closer to what will unfold IMO. but Eischen, and Meyers are on the radar as well which make sense too. spring training could have some surprises as like Cano. maybe one or two might take the bit and make an eye popping run for a position or two. even right now the roster is looking good.
Yukon Cornelius
12-03-05, 11:59 AM
Reggie Sanders to DH and play the outfield.
I also like the idea of trying to acquire Carlos Pena in any deal with Detroit that would include Pavano. Maybe Granderson and Pena for Pavano.
Wouldn't picking up Pena block Duncan at 1st? :confused:
conkermaniac
12-03-05, 12:19 PM
Eischen + Sturtze + Farnsworth + Small + 2 AAA is adequate relief for this year. I have a gut feeling that Sturtze will return to form, that Eischen will be decent in relief (high-3 to low-4 ERA), and that Small will pitch solid long relief (low-4 ERA). I have a lot of faith in the bullpen. If we can't get Eischen, Leiter is also an excellent option for LOOGY.
Yukon Cornelius
12-03-05, 12:27 PM
.... Leiter is also an excellent option for LOOGY.
I thought Leiter was better against righties than lefties, plus he's got a control problem. I'd stay away from Leiter as a LOOGY.
Munson's 'Stash
12-03-05, 01:12 PM
There is no need to carry a LOOGY durring the regular season. It's a wasted roster spot. Get a decent RP for the season, and pick up a LOOGY for the playoff's.
Something just occured to me - what would it take to get Corey Patterson from the Cubs? It seems like they've given up on him - they sent him back down to the minors last year. Maybe a package of Bean, Anderson and Thompson could get us Patterson. Worth taking a shot on him.
Something just occured to me - what would it take to get Corey Patterson from the Cubs? It seems like they've given up on him - they sent him back down to the minors last year. Maybe a package of Bean, Anderson and Thompson could get us Patterson. Worth taking a shot on him.
From what I've heard about Patterson is that the Cubs have no confidence in him, but they know they can get something in return for him because of the lack of CF with range available.
From what I've heard about Patterson is that the Cubs have no confidence in him, but they know they can get something in return for him because of the lack of CF with range available.Yeah... but maybe we can put together something attractive to them. They're not going to let him languish all the time in the minors.
Iknowcool
12-03-05, 03:10 PM
Actually, Bautista came out of retirement, along with Roberto Alomar. What I think happened is that he finally realized that he signed with Tampa Bay. He didn't want to play for them, so he quit.
Another route is Brett Boone. Sign him to a minor league contract, and hope his bat wakes up. He would make a good DH.
Actually, Bautista came out of retirement, along with Roberto Alomar. What I think happened is that he finally realized that he signed with Tampa Bay. He didn't want to play for them, so he quit.
Another route is Brett Boone. Sign him to a minor league contract, and hope his bat wakes up. He would make a good DH.
We don't need guys who haven't seen live pitching in over a year. Boone wouldn't be a DH, his defense alone makes him a competitor for Cano's job. That being said, I don't want him.
Iknowcool
12-03-05, 03:28 PM
Bucky Jacobsen is a possible DH candidate, and would be a good pinch-hitter. He put up pretty good numbers with seattle in 2004 (.275, 9 HR, 28 RBI in 42 games) but messed up his knee and by the time he got back, someone had taken his job. I'm pretty sure we could get him on a minor league deal. If he does good in the minors, good, if not, its only a minor league deal, so who gives a crap.
Yankees13
12-03-05, 03:40 PM
Cheap deals? Sleepers?
DH - Erubiel Durazo -Maybe we should take a chance on this guy if we can get him for cheap since he's coming off injury.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6293
Bullpen - Julian Tavarez, ok not exactly a lesser known known name but he's a solid reliever that might not break the bank.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5103
Bullpen - Scott Sullivan
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3223
Bullpen - Joey Eischen
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5266
Fourth Outfielder - Danny Bautista
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5150
DH vs righties/Bench - Mark Sweeney
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=3312
Bullpen - Jim Mecir
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5506
I'd take Durazo and Taverez. I think Durazo is out until June though. Taverez would be a decent 7th inning guy.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
12-03-05, 03:50 PM
There is no need to carry a LOOGY durring the regular season. It's a wasted roster spot. Get a decent RP for the season, and pick up a LOOGY for the playoff's. I agree. Why pay 2 mill and give Boston a draft pick for a guy who will pitch to one or two guys per appearance and be useless against right handers. What Mike Myers does isn't all that special.
longtimeyankeefan
12-03-05, 04:02 PM
I agree. Why pay 2 mill and give Boston a draft pick for a guy who will pitch to one or two guys per appearance and be useless against right handers. What Mike Myers does isn't all that special.
Everything that has been written says that the Yankees have no interest in signing Myers before the arbitration deadline - presumably, arbitration will not be offered so no draft pick would be involved. Also, Myers has never made $2M in a single season, so I don't know where that number comes from. Last season, he made $600K with Boston.
As far as what he does - his .158/.198/.211 performance against LHH is something special. He needs to be used correctly (ie - not against RHH who hit .385/.510/.641 against him).
I, for one, would love to have him in the bullpen at $1M per year to face the David Ortiz's of the league close and late.
AMYanks
12-03-05, 04:07 PM
Everything that has been written says that the Yankees have no interest in signing Myers before the arbitration deadline - presumably, arbitration will not be offered so no draft pick would be involved. Also, Myers has never made $2M in a single season, so I don't know where that number comes from. Last season, he made $600K with Boston.
As far as what he does - his .158/.198/.211 performance against LHH is something special. He needs to be used correctly (ie - not against RHH who hit .385/.510/.641 against him).
I, for one, would love to have him in the bullpen at $1M per year to face the David Ortiz's of the league close and late.
Myers would be a great addition. A good one, if he is offered arbitration.
Yankyfan
12-03-05, 04:13 PM
I'd rather keep the pick and develop a LOOGY.
No one else like the idea of Corey Patterson?
Yankyfan
12-03-05, 05:51 PM
G it wouldn't even cost that much.
buntsalot2
12-03-05, 05:55 PM
best choice for DH would be Kevin Millar IMO
best choice for DH would be Kevin Millar IMO
:jaw-drop:
BennyTheJetRodriguez
12-03-05, 06:14 PM
Everything that has been written says that the Yankees have no interest in signing Myers before the arbitration deadline - presumably, arbitration will not be offered so no draft pick would be involved. Also, Myers has never made $2M in a single season, so I don't know where that number comes from. Last season, he made $600K with Boston.
As far as what he does - his .158/.198/.211 performance against LHH is something special. He needs to be used correctly (ie - not against RHH who hit .385/.510/.641 against him).
I, for one, would love to have him in the bullpen at $1M per year to face the David Ortiz's of the league close and late.
It was a career year for him and scott eyre, a similar pitcher just got a bunch of money from the cubs. Myers' usual numbers vs lefties are like .210, .280, .320...good, but about what Mike Stanton did for us last year. There are plenty of pitchers that can do that. He isn't likely to repeat what he did last year. Eventually he is going to have to face a right handed hitter. Especially in a Joe Torre pen.
NYDCYankee
12-03-05, 09:27 PM
Bo Jackson
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-03-05, 09:38 PM
What about Dotel?
longtimeyankeefan
12-03-05, 09:43 PM
What about Dotel?
I think Dotel would be an excellent sign to a Leiberesque deal. From what I hear, he won't be pitching until at least mid-season, so give him the ML minimum with appearance incentives for this season, a $2M salary for next year and a vesting option for $3.5M for 2007 if he makes greater than 80 appearances over the two seasons.
NYDCYankee
12-03-05, 09:45 PM
What type of free agent is Dotel? I am sure if he wasn't hurt he would be an A. If he is, I say no way.
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-03-05, 09:50 PM
I think Dotel would be an excellent sign to a Leiberesque deal. From what I hear, he won't be pitching until at least mid-season, so give him the ML minimum with appearance incentives for this season, a $2M salary for next year and a vesting option for $3.5M for 2007 if he makes greater than 80 appearances over the two seasons.
yup id do the same thing, he could really solidify our pen at the all star break(along with Cox if he progresses as much as some people predict) if he pans out.
longtimeyankeefan
12-03-05, 09:55 PM
What type of free agent is Dotel? I am sure if he wasn't hurt he would be an A. If he is, I say no way.
He is a Type A Free Agent, according to Baseball America http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/columnists/askba.html
I don't see any way that Oakland offers him arbitration - he made $4.75M last year, meaning that the least that Oakland could offer him in arbitration is 80 percent of that number or $3.8M. No way Oakland is willing to risk him accepting arbitration - and he would be an idiot not to accept it.
Wait until after December 7th and you can be certain he will be signed to some sort of a make good deal.
NYDCYankee
12-03-05, 09:58 PM
He is a Type A Free Agent, according to Baseball America http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/columnists/askba.html
I don't see any way that Oakland offers him arbitration - he made $4.75M last year, meaning that the least that Oakland could offer him in arbitration is 80 percent of that number or $3.8M. No way Oakland is willing to risk him accepting arbitration - and he would be an idiot not to accept it.
Wait until after December 7th and you can be certain he will be signed to some sort of a make good deal.
Yeah your right plus they have Street. It is worth a shot but I have a feeling that some teams are going to throw decent money at Dotel. Look for the Rangers and the Mets to do that.
longtimeyankeefan
12-03-05, 10:02 PM
Yeah your right plus they have Street. It is worth a shot but I have a feeling that some teams are going to throw decent money at Dotel. Look for the Rangers and the Mets to do that.
Interestingly, he does not list the Yankees as a team that has contacted him.
ring403
12-04-05, 12:02 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05338/617018.stm
Reliever Rick White, the lone surprise of the four veterans the Pirates cut loose last month, said he believes he is a few days away from signing with the New York Yankees or Boston Red Sox. White said Pirates general manager Dave Littlefield's lone offer to return was for the same terms as last year, a minor-league invitation and a $475,000 salary if he makes the 25-man roster. "They basically blew me off," White said.
scull567
12-04-05, 12:08 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05338/617018.stm
He did have a career high gb/fb ratio (2.25) last year. I don't know if its a fluke or not but hes worth a shot I guess.
hellonewman
12-04-05, 12:10 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05338/617018.stmHope not.
:upset:
AMYanks
12-04-05, 12:14 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05338/617018.stm
I hope not.
38Special
12-04-05, 09:35 AM
Rick White has a nickname on another board, it's "F*ck Rick White". Pirates fans were especially fond of him.
indianyanksfan
12-04-05, 10:57 AM
didnt koo also say he had signed with the yanks? :D
nyg02005
12-04-05, 10:59 AM
Interestingly, he does not list the Yankees as a team that has contacted him.
It does not surprised me if the yankees does not show interest with dotel. They did agree to a lieber contract with sauerbeck 2 or 3 yrs ago otherwise sauerbeck would have signed with the yankees.
Ghost of Dan Pasqua
12-04-05, 11:08 AM
"Reliever Rick White, the lone surprise of the four veterans the Pirates cut loose last month, said he believes he is a few days away from signing with the New York Yankees or Boston Red Sox. White said Pirates general manager Dave Littlefield's lone offer to return was for the same terms as last year, a minor-league invitation and a $475,000 salary if he makes the 25-man roster. "They basically blew me off," White said."
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05338/617018.stm
Yes, after years of high stakes battles for Alex Rodriguez, Jose Contreras, Bernie Williams and even El Duque, it has come to this. Rick White and also Mike Myers. Times are changing I guess. Question is, if White comes, does that mean that a guy like Scott Proctor might get dealt.
Question is, if White comes, does that mean that a guy like Scott Proctor might get dealt.
Not in and of itself, seeing as how we have two relievers under contract right now.
NYDCYankee
12-04-05, 11:14 AM
White
REC 4-7 | SV 2 | ERA 3.72 | WHIP 1.59
Does Proctor have options? He has to, doesn't he? He debuted in 2004, I think.
Anyway, the Yankees have 10 pitchers under contract right now if he does.
ComeBackShane47
12-04-05, 11:20 AM
Are the Yankees retarded?
nyg02005
12-04-05, 11:21 AM
Does Proctor have options? He has to, doesn't he? He debuted in 2004, I think.
Anyway, the Yankees have 10 pitchers under contract right now if he does.
from what i understand, proctor no longer has an option.
NewEraYanks2527
12-04-05, 11:33 AM
Why do we want a 36 year old right handed pitcher that had a 3.72 ERA and was cut by the Pirates of all teams? Seriously let the Red Sox have him, why would the Yankees want this guy?
IronCaballo4
12-04-05, 11:34 AM
Rondell White, Gabe White....you see the pattern
38Special
12-04-05, 11:40 AM
Where does it say they are in a high stakes game? Also just because Rick "................ty" White says hes going to sign with the Yankees or Red Sox doesnt mean its going to happen.
Ghost of Dan Pasqua
12-04-05, 11:41 AM
Where does it say they are in a high stakes game?
It was a joke. ;)
38Special
12-04-05, 11:42 AM
It was a joke. ;)
Yeah but i dont think some people here will get it. It's just going to lead to more pissing and moaning about Cashman
Crusadecat
12-04-05, 03:48 PM
I had thought of Patterson as well , i'm not sure if the cubs have totally given up on him or not though.
From what I remember, the Cubs pretty much gave up on him. Some article says he might be non-tendered. I think we should pick him up if available.
CTyankeefan
12-04-05, 06:52 PM
You get what u pay for. That is why i don't buy cheap. If we just need spare parts, u get spare parts. But in CF, I don't go cheap.
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