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SouthbayyankeeD
12-01-05, 02:31 PM
With the winter meetings next week, what do you think are the Yanks MOST pressing needs?
Cashman and his minions have to come out of there with at least more help for the bullpen.
IF Farnsworth has signed as some reports have said. They can't stop there. They desperately need to fix that leaky back end.
I predict CF will be taken care of along with one or more relievers. You never know... there might be a blockbuster that comes out of nowhere too (just my speculation).
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-01-05, 02:58 PM
They need a young CF who shouldnt cost much like Bradley or Wilkerson
a decent firstbaseman/out fielder as a stop gap who will let Giambi/sheffield DH
A few more bullpen guys(no big name guys low risk high reward guys)
If we end up with a line up of:
ss:Jeter
CF:wilkerson/Bradley
3b:A-rod
RF:Sheffield
DH:Giambi
LF:Matsui
C:Posada
2b:Cano
1b:Somebody like Travis Lee or something
SP:Johnson
SP:Mussina
SP:Chacon
SP:Pavano
SP:Wang
pen:
Henn
Proctor
Sturtze
Farnsworth
MO
(Insert low risk high rewardp itchers here)
good luck dealing wright
They need a young CF who shouldnt cost much like Bradley or Wilkerson
a decent firstbaseman/out fielder as a stop gap who will let Giambi/sheffield DH
A few more bullpen guys(no big name guys low risk high reward guys)
If we end up with a line up of:
ss:Jeter
CF:wilkerson/Bradley
3b:A-rod
RF:Sheffield
DH:Giambi
LF:Matsui
C:Posada
2b:Cano
1b:Somebody like Travis Lee or something
SP:Johnson
SP:Mussina
SP:Chacon
SP:Pavano
SP:Wang
pen:
Henn
Proctor
Sturtze
Farnsworth
MO
(Insert low risk high rewardp itchers here)
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-01-05, 03:13 PM
good luck dealing wright
I meant to put him in the pen but I forgot, but it seems possible that he might take pavanos place in the rotation.(pavano to be traded)
And Small isn't on the roster either.
ryanthe13th
12-01-05, 03:29 PM
Take Henn out of that bullpen and insert Small instead.
RhodyYanksFan
12-01-05, 03:44 PM
I meant to put him in the pen but I forgot, but it seems possible that he might take pavanos place in the rotation.(pavano to be traded)
It'll be easier to trade Wright then Pavano.
cupcollector99
12-01-05, 05:30 PM
From what I've seen, heard and read, there isn't a team that will give us a bag of balls if the deal doesn't include Cano or Wang.
That being said, Cashman will really have to earn his money this year to get the Yankees the pieces they need.
I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do.
NewEraYanks2527
12-01-05, 06:09 PM
I'm just excited about it cause it is a fun time for baseball in the winter. Rumors flying around, crazy ass deals, I LOVE IT! And I think Cash will continue to hold onto Wang and Cano and that really the Yanks won't do much but maybe grab another reliever. I do think that Manny will be dealt though, and despite the Phillies and Anaheim being involved, Minaya will continue to add latino players to the Mets and Manny will be the next.
Flatten78
12-01-05, 07:25 PM
i read on nyynews.com that pavano has asked cashman not to trade him and is adament that he wants to prove he can pitch in ny, and was embarrassed that his teammates questioned his injury. it was reported by suzan waldman on wfan. so with that being said, i like the fire that pavano supposedly has rite now, n if he comes out with a vengence id like to see how he does. maybe we can unload wright for something decent.
surge511
12-01-05, 07:30 PM
I am interested to see what happens to Nomaahh, whether it be with the Yankees or not.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Cashman pulls some deal out of nowhere that we have not even dreamed about. Obviously it would surprise me, but I could definitely see something like that going down.
StatenIslandYankee
12-01-05, 07:59 PM
CF will be interesting. Also another bullpen arm besides Farnsworth.
I would like to see Nomar here for a year ...
IronCaballo4
12-01-05, 08:22 PM
They desperately need to fix that leaky back end.
A pack of Depends would do it
27IsNext
12-02-05, 08:24 PM
If I'm GM, here's what I'd do from here on out:
1.) Cut/trade Womack, Small, Proctor, and Crosby.
2.) Sign Mark Sweeney to a one-year deal with a team option, and let he and Andy Phillips duke it out in spring training for the starting 1Bman spot, the loser being the backup. This makes Giambi the full-time DH (we gotta get him used to it sooner rather than later).
3.) Sign Julian Tavarez.
4.) Pick up Brad Wilkerson if/when he's non-tendered.
5.) Sign Eduardo Perez to be the PH/Backup DH. This gives us a bench of a player who can hit righties (Sweeney) and lefties (Perez). Sign D'Angelo Jimenez to be the backup infielder. Trade Melky or Henn to Tampa Bay for Joey Gathright to be the fourth OFer.
6.) Sign Joey Eischen.
7.) Trade Gary Sheffield to the Cubs for Matt Murton and Rich Hill. Start Hill in AAA and have him take the place of the first reliever who's cut (my prediction is Sturtze).
C - Jorge Posada
1B - Mark Sweeney
2B - Robinson Cano
SS - Derek Jeter
3B - Alex Rodriguez
LF - Hideki Matsui
CF - Brad Wilkerson
RF - Matt Murton
DH - Jason Giambi
Backup C - Kelly Stinnett
Backup 1B - Andy Phillips
Backup DH/1B - Eduardo Perez
Backup IF - D'Angelo Jimenez
Backup OF - Joey Gathright
Randy Johnson
Mike Mussina
Carl Pavano
Chien-Ming Wang
Shawn Chacon
Jaret Wright
Joey Eischen
Tanyon Sturtze
Kyle Farnsworth
Julian Tavarez
Mariano Rivera
AMYanks
12-02-05, 08:26 PM
If I'm GM, here's what I'd do from here on out:
1.) Cut/trade Womack, Small, Proctor, and Crosby.
2.) Sign Mark Sweeney to a one-year deal with a team option, and let he and Andy Phillips duke it out in spring training for the starting 1Bman spot, the loser being the backup. This makes Giambi the full-time DH (we gotta get him used to it sooner rather than later).
3.) Sign Julian Tavarez.
4.) Pick up Brad Wilkerson if/when he's non-tendered.
5.) Sign Eduardo Perez to be the PH/Backup DH. This gives us a bench of a player who can hit righties (Sweeney) and lefties (Perez). Sign D'Angelo Jimenez to be the backup infielder. Trade Melky or Henn to Tampa Bay for Joey Gathright to be the fourth OFer.
6.) Sign Joey Eischen.
7.) Trade Gary Sheffield to the Cubs for Matt Murton and Rich Hill. Start Hill in AAA and have him take the place of the first reliever who's cut (my prediction is Sturtze).
C - Jorge Posada
1B - Mark Sweeney
2B - Robinson Cano
SS - Derek Jeter
3B - Alex Rodriguez
LF - Hideki Matsui
CF - Brad Wilkerson
RF - Matt Murton
DH - Jason Giambi
Backup C - Kelly Stinnett
Backup 1B - Andy Phillips
Backup DH/1B - Eduardo Perez
Backup IF - D'Angelo Jimenez
Backup OF - Joey Gathright
Randy Johnson
Mike Mussina
Carl Pavano
Chien-Ming Wang
Shawn Chacon
Jaret Wright
Joey Eischen
Tanyon Sturtze
Kyle Farnsworth
Julian Tavarez
Mariano Rivera
Unfortunately, it is an enormous blow to the offense if Giambi is moved from 1B to DH.
Yankeeah
12-02-05, 08:27 PM
Unfortunately, it is an enormous blow to the offense if Giambi is moved from 1B to DH.
As well if you traded Sheff.
27IsNext
12-02-05, 08:30 PM
He's going to be moved to DH at some point anyway. Let's face it, those legs won't stand for playing in the field every day for much longer. I think if he got used to it, with the occasional start at 1B, Giambi would be fine.
Losing Sheff is a huge blow, yes, but Murton isn't exactly scrap heap.
38Special
12-02-05, 08:40 PM
Trading Melky or Henn for someone who you are only going to have as the 4th outfielder is asinine, im sorry. And Wilkerson wont be nontendered.
AMYanks
12-02-05, 08:44 PM
He's going to be moved to DH at some point anyway. Let's face it, those legs won't stand for playing in the field every day for much longer. I think if he got used to it, with the occasional start at 1B, Giambi would be fine.
Losing Sheff is a huge blow, yes, but Murton isn't exactly scrap heap.
Once he stops producing at 1B, I'd move him. In his career, he is a great hitter at 1B, and slightly above average as the DH.
dabomb2045
12-02-05, 08:46 PM
He's going to be moved to DH at some point anyway. Let's face it, those legs won't stand for playing in the field every day for much longer. I think if he got used to it, with the occasional start at 1B, Giambi would be fine.
Losing Sheff is a huge blow, yes, but Murton isn't exactly scrap heap.
so by trading Sheff for 2 prospects....Im assuming u dont expect to win a title next season?? cuz I dont see how we win anything losing that much offense
jbauer2485
12-02-05, 08:47 PM
Once he stops producing at 1B, I'd move him. In his career, he is a great hitter at 1B, and slightly above average as the DH.
Why don't we build a tiny field next to Yankee Stadium, and when Giambi isn't up to bat he can just go play 1B with a bunch of random people we pick up off the street. BRILLIANT!!!!
27IsNext
12-02-05, 09:03 PM
Sorry, I should of put a disclaimer. That list was a pipe dream. That, and I'm really tired. Don't take it too seriously.
27IsNext
12-02-05, 09:04 PM
Trading Melky or Henn for someone who you are only going to have as the 4th outfielder is asinine, im sorry. And Wilkerson wont be nontendered.
Tampa Bay apparantly wants top prospects. I'd settle for either of the two (I'm not high on Melky). Wilkerson will either be non-tendered, or traded for nothing more than a B prospect or two.
AMYanks
12-02-05, 09:20 PM
Why don't we build a tiny field next to Yankee Stadium, and when Giambi isn't up to bat he can just go play 1B with a bunch of random people we pick up off the street. BRILLIANT!!!!
Uhh... what?
Mark Healey
12-02-05, 09:27 PM
Gotham Baseball will be at the winter meetings, and I'll try to visit here when I'm there...
I trust that Cashman's plan is already in play
JapanJobbers
12-03-05, 01:08 AM
Why don't we build a tiny field next to Yankee Stadium, and when Giambi isn't up to bat he can just go play 1B with a bunch of random people we pick up off the street. BRILLIANT!!!!
That's awesome. :D
I think we'll sign two more relief pitchers, trade for a CF, possibly trade for a big bat, and possibly sign another starting pitcher.
MisterNovember
12-03-05, 01:45 AM
I think we'll sign two more relief pitchers, trade for a CF, possibly trade for a big bat, and possibly sign another starting pitcher.
With the Yankees trying to reduce payroll, i really don't see them trading for a big bat and/or another SP. The lineup is stacked as it is, and for the first time in awhile we have a surplus of SPs.
Now that Farnsworth is in the bag, I think Cashman will direct his attention to CF over the next week or so.
With the Yankees trying to reduce payroll, i really don't see them trading for a big bat and/or another SP. The lineup is stacked as it is, and for the first time in awhile we have a surplus of SPs.
Now that Farnsworth is in the bag, I think Cashman will direct his attention to CF over the next week or so.
I believe what I do because the Yanks were willing to get a CF and add Giles, and because Cash said they were going after more pen. I also believe we'll trade Pavano and maybe Small...
Mattpat11
12-03-05, 02:08 AM
i read on nyynews.com that pavano has asked cashman not to trade him and is adament that he wants to prove he can pitch in ny, and was embarrassed that his teammates questioned his injury. it was reported by suzan waldman on wfan. so with that being said, i like the fire that pavano supposedly has rite now, n if he comes out with a vengence id like to see how he does. maybe we can unload wright for something decent.The spirit may be willing but the flesh may be weak. 2004 may very well be the high point of Pavano's career, and trading him while we can still get something wouldn't be awful.
Stupid Flanders
12-03-05, 07:48 AM
If I'm GM, here's what I'd do from here on out:
1.) Cut/trade Womackgreat idea
dump our best bench player
true genius
yanksconstantino24
12-03-05, 07:52 AM
CF will be interesting. Also another bullpen arm besides Farnsworth.
I would like to see Nomar here for a year ...
If he's willing to learn multiple positions, I'd try and sign Nomar to a smaller contract with alot of incentives if he can stay healthy.
goin for 27
12-03-05, 07:54 AM
great idea
dump our best bench player
true genius
The fact that Womack is the best bench player really underscores just how bad the bench is.....
longtimeyankeefan
12-03-05, 08:05 AM
great idea
dump our best bench player
true genius
Tony Womack - whose only skill is running fast - is our best bench player? I would rather pinch hit Bubba Crosby first.
noneckwilliams
12-03-05, 09:13 AM
I believe what I do because the Yanks were willing to get a CF and add Giles, and because Cash said they were going after more pen. I also believe we'll trade Pavano and maybe Small...
I think the Yankees actually need to add two outfielders. If they can add an everyday CFer fairly soon they might be able to find a less expensive, versatile OFer as we head towards spring training.
CTyankeefan
12-03-05, 10:09 AM
If I'm GM, here's what I'd do from here on out:
1.) Cut/trade Womack, Small, Proctor, and Crosby.
2.) Sign Mark Sweeney to a one-year deal with a team option, and let he and Andy Phillips duke it out in spring training for the starting 1Bman spot, the loser being the backup. This makes Giambi the full-time DH (we gotta get him used to it sooner rather than later).
3.) Sign Julian Tavarez.
4.) Pick up Brad Wilkerson if/when he's non-tendered.
5.) Sign Eduardo Perez to be the PH/Backup DH. This gives us a bench of a player who can hit righties (Sweeney) and lefties (Perez). Sign D'Angelo Jimenez to be the backup infielder. Trade Melky or Henn to Tampa Bay for Joey Gathright to be the fourth OFer.
6.) Sign Joey Eischen.
7.) Trade Gary Sheffield to the Cubs for Matt Murton and Rich Hill. Start Hill in AAA and have him take the place of the first reliever who's cut (my prediction is Sturtze).
C - Jorge Posada
1B - Mark Sweeney
2B - Robinson Cano
SS - Derek Jeter
3B - Alex Rodriguez
LF - Hideki Matsui
CF - Brad Wilkerson
RF - Matt Murton
DH - Jason Giambi
Backup C - Kelly Stinnett
Backup 1B - Andy Phillips
Backup DH/1B - Eduardo Perez
Backup IF - D'Angelo Jimenez
Backup OF - Joey Gathright
Randy Johnson
Mike Mussina
Carl Pavano
Chien-Ming Wang
Shawn Chacon
Jaret Wright
Joey Eischen
Tanyon Sturtze
Kyle Farnsworth
Julian Tavarez
Mariano Rivera
Not a very good team. I wonder why some want us to behave like a small market cash-strapped team. Cash ain't going to spend a fortune, but that doesn't mean we have to shop at walmart.
The bench is horrible as is the lineup.
I anticipate either Juan Pierre in center, or after arbitration deadline, Johnny Damon in early January.
Yanks dont' want to pay Damon 6 yrs, but Red Sox won't offer him arbitration, because they are afraid he will take it.
I don't know why this board is enamored with Brad Willkerson, I just don't see it.
longtimeyankeefan
12-03-05, 10:24 AM
Not a very good team. I wonder why some want us to behave like a small market cash-strapped team. Cash ain't going to spend a fortune, but that doesn't mean we have to shop at walmart.
The bench is horrible as is the lineup.
I anticipate either Juan Pierre in center, or after arbitration deadline, Johnny Damon in early January.
Yanks dont' want to pay Damon 6 yrs, but Red Sox won't offer him arbitration, because they are afraid he will take it.
I don't know why this board is enamored with Brad Willkerson, I just don't see it.
Why wouldn't the Red Sox offer Damon arbitration?
1. He is a type A free agent.
2. They would like to re-sign him.
3. If he accepts arbitration, he probably gets $10/$11M in arbitration - for one year. If he starts declining, they bid him adieu next season.
MisterNovember
12-03-05, 11:09 AM
I think the Yankees actually need to add two outfielders. If they can add an everyday CFer fairly soon they might be able to find a less expensive, versatile OFer as we head towards spring training.
I'm hoping that we'll see Juan Pierre or Jacque Jones in CF and Brad Wilkerson in RF. Wilkerson can play 1B as well, so Giambi and Sheffield will be able to alternate at DH.
.. Washington will try to use its surplus of outfielders and middle infielders to land a starter, with Jose Vidro, Junior Spivey, Brad Wilkerson, Ryan Church and Marlon Byrd in several discussions. ...
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13319808.htm
Get Ryan Church!!!
harkode2002
12-03-05, 11:28 AM
Yes - I love the idea of replacing Sheffield with a .248 hitter with marginal power. Then with either Crosby/Pierre, Wilkerson, and Matsui in the outfield, other teams will shudder with fright at the explosive power we will throw at them every night from our outfield.
The corner outfield positions are for larger players with muscles who when surrounded by a competent centerfielder can get to enough balls to make their defensive shortcomings tolerable. Our problem has not been nor is it now our corner outfielders, it is in centerfield. We have had a centerfielder for the past two years who was defensively challenged who could not cover his position adequately much less help the corner outfielders. We need a centerfielder who can fly and play above average defense, offense not entirely necessary. That will in turn improve our corner defense enough to make Sheffield tolerable in RF. We must have two outfielders with above average power, not two with far below average power.
Plus, I keep asking, what is the fascination with Wilkerson. On perhaps 25 teams he would not be good enough to crack a starting outfield lineup yet we would have to trade good young prospects for him. I have no doubt that Melky if given a full year would produce similar numbers with Wilkerson, is much younger, would cost us no propects and is league minimum $$. My hope and prayer is that Cashman is content to leave Wilkerson where he is.
YankeeStripes
12-03-05, 01:35 PM
I predict the Yankees will get another reliever and an outfielder this week.
Munson's 'Stash
12-03-05, 01:40 PM
(the) Yanks dont' want to pay Damon 6 yrs, but Red Sox won't offer him arbitration, because they are afraid he will take it.
The Sox will offer Damon arb. They'd love to get him on a short term deal. If they "kick the tires" on Hunter and his inflated salary it will be because those expensive years are on a short commitment. We'd be giving the Sox a high draft pick + a compensation pick ahead of the one we get for Gordon. (On a positive note the Yankees moved up the draft board with the Phillies signing of Gordon, and Elias had Gordon rated as one of the best players on the market (he was above BJ Ryan - which probably goes more towards pointing out the flaws in the ranking system) so there's no one the Phillies can sign that will bump the Yanks off that draft pick.)
A few other issues:
Sheff is staying put. After the way his mouth started moving last season at the mere rumor that he'd be traded what team would take a flyer on him? There's even less of a chance that Sheff himself would shut up long enough to not sabotage any trade. A grumpy Sheff will make Milton Bradley look like the ideal babysitter for a colicky infant. I suppose some team could offer him an extension, but he's priced out of most teams range given his defense.
I think the Yankees biggest move will be to deal Pavano. Maybe he wants to stay, maybe he doesn't. But the Yanks need to find some roster flexibility and fill alot of holes without moving Cano or Wang (reportedly, I would entertain offers for Wang). They should spend to do this: Pavano is a terribly risk at $10M/yr. At $5M/yr, he's a lot less of a risk, or at least it's palatable. I'd move him (and half his salary) to Phillies for Michaels. This gets the Yanks a CF and blocks a Clement + Nixon for Abreu deal (which has gotten some spin on the rumor mill).
The Yankees have a surplus of pitching even with Pavano gone, and I think at least one of Wang/ Chacon/ Small will regress like Yule Brener's hair-line. Pick the best bet and deal whichever of the other two gets the best return.
AMYanks
12-03-05, 01:42 PM
Mike Sweeny, IIRC, is not a FA. The Yankees would have to [b]trade[/i] for him. The royals are going to want cheap talent in return, because that's all they ever want; who do you think they'd ask for? Sweeny's also expensive ($11M/yr AAV) and a real injury question (after Kevin Brown I think the Yanks should stay away from bad backs). A better plan would be to split the DH duties between Sheff and Giambi, with the other playing the feild. Both will need to be healthy for a playoff run.
Mark Sweeney. Not Mike Sweeney.
Wade_Taylor
12-03-05, 01:53 PM
I don't know why this board is enamored with Brad Willkerson, I just don't see it.
I am a fan of Wilkerson because of his relative youth, his ability to play CF as well as 1st and RF, and his ability to get on base. I think, and I could be wrong, a lot of people view him as having O'Neil-like production at Yankee Stadium. His on-base percentage would also allow him to hit #2 behind Jeter, which would give the Yankees a group of hitters 1-6 who would see a lot of pitches and work the count, not to mention being very productive. His ability to play RF and 1st would also allow him to move to either position next year if the Yankees find a better CF and/or decide to let Sheff go or move Giambi to DH full-time. Finally, I think people believe that because he is not a "toolsy" player, Bowden does not think highly of him and thus he might be available for not much in the way of players. Having said all of that I do not think he is worth giving up major prospects. If Washington wanted say Melky and Small or just Henn straight up (or Henn and Proctor for that matter) I would probably do it because chances are Wilkerson over the course of his Yankee career would probably be a better player than Melky or Henn. But, he is not worth giving up both Melky and Henn or even better prospects.
All of this is a moot point because unless the Nats decide to sign another outfielder I really don't think Wilkerson is going anywhere. They have Wilkerson for CF, Guillen for RF and they can platoon Church and Byrd in LF. All of those players are under contract or in their arbitration years and present cost certainty for the Nats, which I assume is what MLB wants until new ownership is found.
Munson's 'Stash
12-03-05, 02:04 PM
Mark Sweeney. Not Mike Sweeney.
OK, that makes more sense. I read that way too fast.
BeantownYankee
12-03-05, 02:37 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13319808.htm
Get Ryan Church!!!
The article also mentions with Giles back and the addition of Cameron the Padres will probally move Dave Roberts. If he's cheap enough may be a good backup plan.
longtimeyankeefan
12-03-05, 03:09 PM
The Sox will offer Damon arb. They'd love to get him on a short term deal. If they "kick the tires" on Hunter and his inflated salary it will be because those expensive years are on a short commitment. We'd be giving the Sox a high draft pick + a compensation pick ahead of the one we get for Gordon. (On a positive note the Yankees moved up the draft board with the Phillies signing of Gordon, and Elias had Gordon rated as one of the best players on the market (he was above BJ Ryan - which probably goes more towards pointing out the flaws in the ranking system) so there's no one the Phillies can sign that will bump the Yanks off that draft pick.)
A few other issues:
Sheff is staying put. After the way his mouth started moving last season at the mere rumor that he'd be traded what team would take a flyer on him? There's even less of a chance that Sheff himself would shut up long enough to not sabotage any trade. A grumpy Sheff will make Milton Bradley look like the ideal babysitter for a colicky infant. I suppose some team could offer him an extension, but he's priced out of most teams range given his defense.
I think the Yankees biggest move will be to deal Pavano. Maybe he wants to stay, maybe he doesn't. But the Yanks need to find some roster flexibility and fill alot of holes without moving Cano or Wang (reportedly, I would entertain offers for Wang). They should spend to do this: Pavano is a terribly risk at $10M/yr. At $5M/yr, he's a lot less of a risk, or at least it's palatable. I'd move him (and half his salary) to Phillies for Michaels. This gets the Yanks a CF and blocks a Clement + Nixon for Abreu deal (which has gotten some spin on the rumor mill).
The Yankees have a surplus of pitching even with Pavano gone, and I think at least one of Wang/ Chacon/ Small will regress like Yule Brener's hair-line. Pick the best bet and deal whichever of the other two gets the best return.
I honestly do not comprehend why the Phillies want to move Abreu, but how about this trade - Pavano (we pay 1/2 his salary) and Sheffield to the Phillies for Michaels and Abreu.
Abreu is due $13M in 2006 and $15M in 2007, with a $16M option ($2M buyout) for 2008 vs Sheffields $13M in 2006 - this season, its an even swap and the Phillies save a minimum of $17M in this portion of the deal, anyway.
At 32, Abreu makes the Yankees younger at RF, while giving them a bat that can rotate into the DH spot when, and if, any of the minor league OFers develop into a legitimate RFer.
Brian - call Pat immediately.
yanks710
12-04-05, 09:51 PM
Well the Winter Meetings kick off tomorrow and do you think we will come out with anything after this? I'm hoping like all of us that we at least get a center fielder and some more bullpen help. But should be a fun week with some big deals
Snatch Catch
12-04-05, 09:54 PM
I think we're all going to be very entertained this week. Cash seems to be setting the Yankees up to not make any foolish moves, and to address their holes in the ways that make the most complete sense for the franchise.
They've been taking a look at all the right players, and not acting rashly in their pursuit. This week is going to be awesome.
Sierra Mist
12-04-05, 09:58 PM
I dont think anything is going to happen till mid/to late December. I think the winter meetings week will come and go, followed by more controversy.
noneckwilliams
12-04-05, 10:00 PM
I think there will be alot of activity - but not necessarily involving the Yankees. Cash isn't going to make a deal he wouldn't have made a week ago just because it's "the winter meetings". If anything, the comments I've heard from him indicate he feels the longer he waits the better deals he can make.
Just gotta keep Tampa from getting impatient...
ring403
12-04-05, 10:05 PM
The concensus among the GM's seems to be that there is going to be alot of activity at the meetings, moreso in trades than in the limited free agent market.
I'm glad that Cashman now has the authority to act quickly, without having to run it by half a dozen different people, if he finds a deal that helps the team.
Murcer'swerebest
12-04-05, 10:24 PM
Activity will really pick up at the end of this week when the deadline to offer arbitration has passed and teams know if they'll have to give up a draft pick to sign mid-level free agents.
KissTheRings
12-04-05, 11:33 PM
I honestly do not comprehend why the Phillies want to move Abreu, but how about this trade - Pavano (we pay 1/2 his salary) and Sheffield to the Phillies for Michaels and Abreu.
Abreu is due $13M in 2006 and $15M in 2007, with a $16M option ($2M buyout) for 2008 vs Sheffields $13M in 2006 - this season, its an even swap and the Phillies save a minimum of $17M in this portion of the deal, anyway.
At 32, Abreu makes the Yankees younger at RF, while giving them a bat that can rotate into the DH spot when, and if, any of the minor league OFers develop into a legitimate RFer.
Brian - call Pat immediately.
Why do people still think Sheffield is a tradeable commodity? Has his position changed at all since the rumors of him being traded last season?
27IsNext
12-04-05, 11:46 PM
Why do people still think Sheffield is a tradeable commodity? Has his position changed at all since the rumors of him being traded last season?
Go back and read between the lines as to what he said. Basically, he'll want compensation for all the deferred funds.
ryanthe13th
12-04-05, 11:53 PM
I'm expecting absolutely nothing.
panicfan
12-04-05, 11:53 PM
If he gets traded and pulls a "T.O." he will lose. The team will suspend him without pay, and they will win in front of an arbitrator. He has no, no trade clause so...he is tradeable.
Why do people still think Sheffield is a tradeable commodity? Has his position changed at all since the rumors of him being traded last season?
ryanthe13th
12-05-05, 12:03 AM
Why are people so eager to shop Sheffield? What exactly has he done wrong here? Sheffield should be our prime candidate to resume the DH spot. Everyone is bringing up Bernie for DH and other cheap players. Why not wait until next year, offer Sheffield a 2 year extension, and actually get some production out of the DH spot instead of a .260 hitter? I believe Sheffield would take a discount to stay in the Bronx. He wants to play here.
Trading Sheffield also just creates a void in RF. You trade your RF to acquire a CF? That just doesn't make sense. If people aren't comfortable with Bubba starting in Center Field, why would they be comfortable if he was starting in Right Field? Sheffield isn't going to get us a CF and another outfielder. The Yankees aren't going to trade Pavano, and Wright doesn't have that kind've value. So the pipe dream of Sheffield & Pavano being in a package deal should die down. Cashman went to Pavano personally, asked if he had a problem playing in NY, and Pavano said No.
KissTheRings
12-05-05, 12:04 AM
If he gets traded and pulls a "T.O." he will lose. The team will suspend him without pay, and they will win in front of an arbitrator. He has no, no trade clause so...he is tradeable.
He's threatened retirement in the event of a trade, not that i consider it a serious threat, but he will make a public effort to thwart trade negotiations. At least that is how it appeared last season. I don't think he's a strong candidate for any potential deals.
nyyanksfan20
12-05-05, 12:07 AM
I expect at least one Yankee move, big or small.
panicfan
12-05-05, 12:08 AM
I doubt he will traded as well, he's got so much punch, and only 1 year left, we might as well keep him.
He's threatened retirement in the event of a trade, not that i consider it a serious threat, but he will make a public effort to thwart trade negotiations. At least that is how it appeared last season. I don't think he's a strong candidate for any potential deals.
27IsNext
12-05-05, 01:18 AM
Why are people so eager to shop Sheffield? What exactly has he done wrong here? Sheffield should be our prime candidate to resume the DH spot. Everyone is bringing up Bernie for DH and other cheap players. Why not wait until next year, offer Sheffield a 2 year extension, and actually get some production out of the DH spot instead of a .260 hitter? I believe Sheffield would take a discount to stay in the Bronx. He wants to play here.
Trading Sheffield also just creates a void in RF. You trade your RF to acquire a CF? That just doesn't make sense. If people aren't comfortable with Bubba starting in Center Field, why would they be comfortable if he was starting in Right Field? Sheffield isn't going to get us a CF and another outfielder. The Yankees aren't going to trade Pavano, and Wright doesn't have that kind've value. So the pipe dream of Sheffield & Pavano being in a package deal should die down. Cashman went to Pavano personally, asked if he had a problem playing in NY, and Pavano said No.
Why is it that because we propose a trade involving a player, it's because we think that player had done something "wrong"? I have absolutely nothing against Sheffield. In his tenure here, he's been great, and I'm grateful that he's been on the team. I'm certainly not against his return by any means.
That being said, Cashman's goal is to get younger and cheaper. If we can offer Sheffield to the Cubs for Matt Murton and Rich Hill, I say take the deal. The two big bats in Giambi and A-Rod are more than enough, and Murton isn't exactly scrap heap offensively (far from it, actually). The DH spot's prime candidate should be Jason Giambi. Now before you start rushing in with his splits, I know. But at the same time, those legs aren't going to last him for much longer as a full-time 1Bman. It's time he get used to being the DH most of the time, with an occasional start at first here and there, to the point where it won't affect his offense too much. This assumes, of course, we hang on to Eric Duncan (and if the rumors of him starting at AAA at first base are true, that seems to be the plan).
NYDCYankee
12-05-05, 01:31 AM
Let's see if we can trade Sheff to the Mets for Milledge it doesnt look like they want to keep their prospects
Stan Musial
12-05-05, 03:43 AM
Todd Jones and Julian Tavarez are two middle relief guys that warrant a look. However, I think it would take 3-4M/year for either and at that price range, it may be best to look at some trades to fill the spots.
Yankees1962
12-05-05, 03:59 AM
Why are people so eager to shop Sheffield? What exactly has he done wrong here? Sheffield should be our prime candidate to resume the DH spot. Everyone is bringing up Bernie for DH and other cheap players. Why not wait until next year, offer Sheffield a 2 year extension, and actually get some production out of the DH spot instead of a .260 hitter? I believe Sheffield would take a discount to stay in the Bronx. He wants to play here.
Trading Sheffield also just creates a void in RF. You trade your RF to acquire a CF? That just doesn't make sense. If people aren't comfortable with Bubba starting in Center Field, why would they be comfortable if he was starting in Right Field? Sheffield isn't going to get us a CF and another outfielder. The Yankees aren't going to trade Pavano, and Wright doesn't have that kind've value. So the pipe dream of Sheffield & Pavano being in a package deal should die down. Cashman went to Pavano personally, asked if he had a problem playing in NY, and Pavano said No.
Don't worry, Sheffield isn't going anywhere except to spring training with the Yankees.
jnewmark
12-05-05, 08:16 AM
I think the Yanks will trade for a one year stop gap CF,and take their chances next year in landing a more permanent candidate. If they can't trade for one, it will be Bubba.
Yankyfan
12-05-05, 08:48 AM
For what its worth I heard from a door man on Park,just adjacect to the MLB offices that he was told by a Yankee minority owner that he's been hearing Ron Villones name quite abit and if for nothing else the Yanks will bring him home from the meetings this week.Just 3rd hand info but it would fit the bill as the lefty. ;)
While everybody's in Dallas, I expect the Yanks will send Steinbrenner to Hawaii and hide his cellphone, blackberry, and any other means of communication.
I expect the Mets will acquire the Florida Marlins in a hostile take-over, and sign Johnny Damon to an 8 year contract.
ComeBackShane47
12-05-05, 10:24 AM
Todd Jones and Julian Tavarez are two middle relief guys that warrant a look. However, I think it would take 3-4M/year for either and at that price range, it may be best to look at some trades to fill the spots.
The contracts that are 3-4 million or maybe more dont hurt the Yanks, its easy to absorb that amont of money if the guy is a bust, its when they throw around 40 million to carl pavano that the get killed because they will end up eating $20 mil just to move the guy.
NewEraYanks2527
12-05-05, 10:38 AM
It's the most wonderful week of the year.......
Snatch Catch
12-05-05, 11:05 AM
Cashman is doing a masterful job so far, in my opinion.
Think about it: every name that has been floated as being an outfielder available in a trade has not been disconnected from the Yankees. He is keeping all channels open and creating a great market.
On top of that, he is driving up Pavano's worth.
I am expecting very sound decisions to be made this week.
NewEraYanks2527
12-05-05, 11:16 AM
Cashman is doing a masterful job so far, in my opinion.
Think about it: every name that has been floated as being an outfielder available in a trade has not been disconnected from the Yankees. He is keeping all channels open and creating a great market.
On top of that, he is driving up Pavano's worth.
I am expecting very sound decisions to be made this week.
I agree with you 150%
Cashman is doing a masterful job so far, in my opinion.
Think about it: every name that has been floated as being an outfielder available in a trade has not been disconnected from the Yankees. He is keeping all channels open and creating a great market.
On top of that, he is driving up Pavano's worth.
I am expecting very sound decisions to be made this week.
Well, I hope that Boras doesn't randomly turn around and accept a 3/39 deal that the Yanks may have offered for Damon. But I would say the chance of him doing that doesn't exist.
Yankeeah
12-05-05, 02:45 PM
Cashman is doing a masterful job so far, in my opinion.
Think about it: every name that has been floated as being an outfielder available in a trade has not been disconnected from the Yankees. He is keeping all channels open and creating a great market.
On top of that, he is driving up Pavano's worth.
I am expecting very sound decisions to be made this week.
In addition to that, he is saying no when it comes to giving up prospects, so later on, they won't just assume the Yankees will give them their prospects.
nyg02005
12-05-05, 02:52 PM
Cashman is doing a masterful job so far, in my opinion.
Think about it: every name that has been floated as being an outfielder available in a trade has not been disconnected from the Yankees. He is keeping all channels open and creating a great market.
On top of that, he is driving up Pavano's worth.
I am expecting very sound decisions to be made this week.
It is too soon to tell if cashman is doing good or not. One thing for sure, as trade goes on and F.A. players signs with teams, the options are getting less and less.
NewEraYanks2527
12-05-05, 02:56 PM
It is too soon to tell if cashman is doing good or not. One thing for sure, as trade goes on and F.A. players signs with teams, the options are getting less and less. Simmer down, the FA market stunk to begin with. The guys that the Yankees really wanted didn't want to come here for various reasons, and unless you consider having the best closer in baseball and being located in New York instead of Sand Diego Cashman's fault you can not blame him for that. Now the only real option is Damon for CF via FA market and not many people are big on that so really the options really are not getting less and less, the meetings just started no team is set for opening day yet so relax.
nyg02005
12-05-05, 03:00 PM
Simmer down, the FA market stunk to begin with. The guys that the Yankees really wanted didn't want to come here for various reasons, and unless you consider having the best closer in baseball and being located in New York instead of Sand Diego Cashman's fault you can not blame him for that. Now the only real option is Damon for CF via FA market and not many people are big on that so really the options really are not getting less and less, the meetings just started no team is set for opening day yet so relax.
I was just stating the truth. If myers, eischen signs then it is a few reliever to choose from. If wilkerson gets traded then it i a one OF less to choose from. Now who is over reacting?
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-05-05, 03:04 PM
I agree with you 150%
Ditto. Cash knows what he is doing...
AMYanks
12-05-05, 03:04 PM
It is too soon to tell if cashman is doing good or not. One thing for sure, as trade goes on and F.A. players signs with teams, the options are getting less and less.
Considering what the pool started out as, there are still MANY options left, and we are just entering the winter meetings.
nyg02005
12-05-05, 03:10 PM
Considering what the pool started out as, there are still MANY options left, and we are just entering the winter meetings.
whether cashman is making the right decision or not will depends on who he got and how much he pay. As i said in the farnswoth thread, by the perceived delaying of the signing of farnsworth, if he signed him for a bigger contract than the 3 yrs/17M initially reported then he did a bad job. As it turned put, he did signed him on the same contract so the deal was not affected by the gordon signings.
Yanks Lifer
12-05-05, 03:19 PM
How about at least some news! From anybody! I don't care if it's AA Zack Walksalot for Joe Kaysalot. The silence is deafening!
nyg02005
12-05-05, 03:22 PM
How about at least some news! From anybody! I don't care if it's AA Zack Walksalot for Joe Kaysalot. The silence is deafening!
It was weird watching baesball tonight winter meeting specials and only heard the yankees name in passing.
BronxBaumer
12-05-05, 03:56 PM
The signing of Farnsworth was a very good move by Cashman...
38Special
12-05-05, 03:58 PM
How about at least some news! From anybody! I don't care if it's AA Zack Walksalot for Joe Kaysalot. The silence is deafening!
WE MUST MAKE A SPLASH...splash...SPLASH
SIGN DAMON
SIGN BURNETT
SIGN MILLWOOD
SIGN TAVAREZ
TRADE PAVANO
nydeano
12-05-05, 04:03 PM
WE MUST MAKE A SPLASH...splash...SPLASH
SIGN DAMON
SIGN BURNETT
SIGN MILLWOOD
SIGN TAVAREZ
TRADE PAVANO
If we sign Damon and/or Burnett, that SPLASH will sound like the sinking of the Titanic.
Now, Tavarez and Pavano scenarios I like.
WrightIsWrong
12-05-05, 06:40 PM
How about at least some news! From anybody! I don't care if it's AA Zack Walksalot for Joe Kaysalot. The silence is deafening!
Supposedly Milton Bradley has been traded to Oakland for Joe Kennedy;Saw this on the Oakland A's message board @ mlb.com & the poster states he/she heard it onj MLB Radio.We'll see.
WrightIsWrong
12-05-05, 06:48 PM
According to Rotoworld:
1)Trevor Hoffman could be nearing an agreement w/ the Indians-3yrs/$21-24M;Rotoworld cites Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports.
2)Mets executive vice president Jeff Wilpon said that GM Omar Minaya is working toward "another significant move." this significant move is expected to involve a pitcher. Javier Vazquez remains a possible acquisition, with Kris Benson perhaps going to the Diamondbacks in return. We doubt a Barry Zito trade could have gotten done this quickly.
WrightIsWrong
12-05-05, 06:55 PM
Thought most here knew & maybe it's posted on another thread but just in case:According to ESPN, AJ Burnett is close to signing a 5 year/$55M deal w/ the Blue Jays.Supposedly, "contract language" is being finalized plus Burnett's agents are going back to St.Louis to see if they can get the Cards to kick in the 5th year;One way or another,ESPN believes this will get done tonight.
YankeePride1967
12-05-05, 06:56 PM
ESPN News is about to have a report from the Winter Meetings.
Thought most here knew & maybe it's posted on another thread but just in case:According to ESPN, AJ Burnett is close to signing a 5 year/$55M deal w/ the Blue Jays.Supposedly, "contract language" is being finalized plus Burnett's agents are going back to St.Louis to see if they can get the Cards to kick in the 5th year;One way or another,ESPN believes this will get done tonight.
AsaYankeefanIhope,theJaysmakethisdeal.
NewEraYanks2527
12-05-05, 07:03 PM
ESPN News is about to have a report from the Winter Meetings.
My girlfriend's got the remote, was anything important said in the report?
YankeePride1967
12-05-05, 07:04 PM
My girlfriend's got the remote, was anything important said in the report?
it's coming up soon. It has the old "ahead: MLB Hot Stove Report" on the lower right hand part of the screen.
NewEraYanks2527
12-05-05, 07:05 PM
it's coming up soon. It has the old "ahead: MLB Hot Stove Report" on the lower right hand part of the screen.
Thanks Rocket, keep me posted.
My girlfriend's got the remote, was anything important said in the report?
Dude. That's what two TVs are for.
NewEraYanks2527
12-05-05, 07:09 PM
Dude. That's what two TVs are for.
I also am half working on my final philosophy paper for tomorrow so I don't really want to go out in the living room.
Yankeeah
12-05-05, 07:14 PM
Notes from report
Damon didn't meet with red sox despite reports
Gammons: Blue Jays think their closing in on Burnett, but agents still talking to Cards.
Kruk thinks Manny will go, Abru too, White Sox, Cubs and Yanks have a shot at pierre
Harold thinks Torrii might be gone
SoCal Pinstriper
12-05-05, 07:14 PM
AsaYankeefanIhope,theJaysmakethisdeal.As a forum reader I hope that you find a keyboard with a functional space bar. ;)
NewEraYanks2527
12-05-05, 07:16 PM
Notes from report
Damon didn't meet with red sox despite reports
Gammons: Blue Jays think their closing in on Burnett, but agents still talking to Cards.
Kruk thinks Manny will go, Abru too, White Sox, Cubs and Yanks have a shot at pierre
Harold thinks Torrii might be gone
Thanks for the report.
Yankeeah
12-05-05, 07:17 PM
Thanks for the report.
You didn't miss much, the whole report was pretty much a recap of the 2000 winter meetings in Dallas
surge511
12-05-05, 07:33 PM
I bet most of the GM's are keeping things relatively under wraps, they really don't want to see distant rumors popping up all over the news as the next big trade to go down. Un-thought about trades will probably just appear over the next few days - if any major trades are made at all.
YankeePride1967
12-05-05, 07:51 PM
not much of any substance. only thing Yankee related was that we are interested in Pierre.
PittsburghYankeeFan
12-05-05, 09:07 PM
I think we are expecting too much from the winter meetings.
Pierre's price is too high for what he is worth to us (he's OK as a one year deal). Bradley may be going to the Dodgers. Damon won't sign with anyone until January or February. Torii Hunter's price is too high at this point.
The guys we seem to be talking about (Wilkerson, et al) really are OK at best, and are they really worth getting so worked up over?
We need middle/late 6th to 7th relief, and that's not something you really can trade for and be sure you are getting something worthwhile for your effort.
In addition, enough about the Sawx and Mets ripping off the Marlins for their talent. We're the Yankees, for crying out loud, and why would anyone want to trade with us to make us better? We're pretty damn good as it is.
The Garciaparra idea is an interesting one. Does he sign somewhere small (Pittsburgh, San Diego) for the security of 3-4 years at maybe $4-5 million per, or does he come to the Yankees for a one year incentive laden contract with maybe a mutual option 2nd year to show everyone he still has what it takes and can play without getting hurt? He then parlays it into a 3/20 deal with someone else. Interesting...
We need middle/late 6th to 7th relief, and that's not something you really can trade for and be sure you are getting something worthwhile for your effort.
Middle relief is exactly the kind of thing you don't trade for. Relievers tend to be flakey year to year, especially the middle of the pack type who pitch in the 6th and 7th innings. In addition, because of their limited playing time, very few things in baseball have less overall impact than short relief. If you start giving up position players for them, you are getting burned.
sugmasterflex
12-05-05, 10:01 PM
My turn to have fun...
Jeter to CF, A-Rod to SS, sign a good defensive 3B that can hit a bit (maybe Mueller?). Pavano to the Nationals for Wilkerson and Schneider. I had read the Astros were desperate for some offense. Trade Sheffield to the Astros (they give him a one year extension and we pick up a few million owed on our end) for Chad Qualls and Jason Hirsh/Troy Patton. Put Wilkerson in RF and Schneider behind the plate. Have Giambi and Posada share 1B/DH.
Now, I'll sit back and wait for all of this to happen. :)
ICEBERG18
12-05-05, 10:14 PM
The Yankees are desperate for a new everyday centerfielder, and everyone at the winter meetings knows it, but Brian Cashman is doing his best to not act that way.
The Yankees' general manager spent the first day of the meetings at the Wyndham Anatole hosting an array of agents and general managers in his suite. What he learned from all of those conversations was nothing he didn't know before: The market for centerfielders stinks.
Cashman insists he'll act accordingly. "If I had an obvious opportunity for centerfield, I would move quick, but I don't," he said. "... There are players available on the market who would be an upgrade for us, but we don't like their price tags, whether it's players traded or cost in dollars."
The Yankees arrived here hoping the Marlins might drop their asking price for Juan Pierre, whom Yankees officials like as a one-year stopgap. But the market for Pierre appears to be surprisingly strong, significantly decreasing the chances of a deal. The Yankees do not plan to trade Robinson Cano, whom the Marlins want.
Cashman, meanwhile, insists he has no problem going into the season with Bubba Crosby as the starting centerfielder, with the intent of improving later.
"We're very willing and very prepared to go into spring training with Bubba and wait and see what develops," Cashman said. "Something always develops over time."
Even the bizarre, such as Arn Tellem calling Cashman not too long ago and asking him to consider Nomar Garciaparra as a candidate to play centerfield next year.
Although the Yankees do not consider the former Red Sox shortstop a centerfield possibility, they haven't ruled out signing him. One person familiar with the situation said the Yankees view Garcia.parra as a versatile backup, stressing it's not a "front burner" issue.
"It's in my best interest to talk with everybody," Cashman said. But he also said, "It's a terrible free-agent market. Just because other teams are doing it doesn't mean we should be active just to be active. It's got to make sense."
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1206,0,4579773.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
MooseCaLLinTheBronx
12-05-05, 10:17 PM
The Yankees are desperate for a new everyday centerfielder, and everyone at the winter meetings knows it, but Brian Cashman is doing his best to not act that way.
The Yankees' general manager spent the first day of the meetings at the Wyndham Anatole hosting an array of agents and general managers in his suite. What he learned from all of those conversations was nothing he didn't know before: The market for centerfielders stinks.
Cashman insists he'll act accordingly. "If I had an obvious opportunity for centerfield, I would move quick, but I don't," he said. "... There are players available on the market who would be an upgrade for us, but we don't like their price tags, whether it's players traded or cost in dollars."
The Yankees arrived here hoping the Marlins might drop their asking price for Juan Pierre, whom Yankees officials like as a one-year stopgap. But the market for Pierre appears to be surprisingly strong, significantly decreasing the chances of a deal. The Yankees do not plan to trade Robinson Cano, whom the Marlins want.
Cashman, meanwhile, insists he has no problem going into the season with Bubba Crosby as the starting centerfielder, with the intent of improving later.
"We're very willing and very prepared to go into spring training with Bubba and wait and see what develops," Cashman said. "Something always develops over time."
Even the bizarre, such as Arn Tellem calling Cashman not too long ago and asking him to consider Nomar Garciaparra as a candidate to play centerfield next year.
Although the Yankees do not consider the former Red Sox shortstop a centerfield possibility, they haven't ruled out signing him. One person familiar with the situation said the Yankees view Garcia.parra as a versatile backup, stressing it's not a "front burner" issue.
"It's in my best interest to talk with everybody," Cashman said. But he also said, "It's a terrible free-agent market. Just because other teams are doing it doesn't mean we should be active just to be active. It's got to make sense."
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1206,0,4579773.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
Bravo! Smart talk from a smart general manager. If we keep our team as it is and fix our catcher (Posada option) problem and shore up our bullpen, a job well done. Cashman is playing it smart. In years past, George would have forgotten to take his Roids and bang- a big signing or big contract.
Bernie Inferno
12-05-05, 10:21 PM
But he also said, "It's a terrible free-agent market. Just because other teams are doing it doesn't mean we should be active just to be active. It's got to make sense."
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1206,0,4579773.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
If only people around here understood such... Good work, Cash!
My turn to have fun...
Jeter to CF, A-Rod to SS, sign a good defensive 3B that can hit a bit (maybe Mueller?). Pavano to the Nationals for Wilkerson and Schneider. I had read the Astros were desperate for some offense. Trade Sheffield to the Astros (they give him a one year extension and we pick up a few million owed on our end) for Chad Qualls and Jason Hirsh/Troy Patton. Put Wilkerson in RF and Schneider behind the plate. Have Giambi and Posada share 1B/DH.
Now, I'll sit back and wait for all of this to happen. :)
Well, I certainly can't wait to see Posada playing first. Just wait until he has to field a ball 3 feet to either side, hehe, should be high comedy.
panicfan
12-05-05, 11:43 PM
Jeter is never going to play CF.
My turn to have fun...
Jeter to CF, A-Rod to SS, sign a good defensive 3B that can hit a bit (maybe Mueller?). Pavano to the Nationals for Wilkerson and Schneider. I had read the Astros were desperate for some offense. Trade Sheffield to the Astros (they give him a one year extension and we pick up a few million owed on our end) for Chad Qualls and Jason Hirsh/Troy Patton. Put Wilkerson in RF and Schneider behind the plate. Have Giambi and Posada share 1B/DH.
Now, I'll sit back and wait for all of this to happen. :)
NYDCYankee
12-06-05, 02:53 AM
From the NY Post:
"The Yankees are looking at 32-year-old right-handed reliever Marc Kroon, who resurrected his career in Japan this past season when his fastball was clocked at 100 mph for the Bay Stars.
Kroon, a second-round pick of the Mets in 1991, has big league experience with the Padres, Reds and Rockies."
I think we are trying to find the 2006 version of Bobby Jenks.
sugmasterflex
12-06-05, 03:24 AM
Jeter is never going to play CF.
I wouldn't rule it out.
sugmasterflex
12-06-05, 03:31 AM
The Yankees are desperate for a new everyday centerfielder, and everyone at the winter meetings knows it, but Brian Cashman is doing his best to not act that way.
The Yankees' general manager spent the first day of the meetings at the Wyndham Anatole hosting an array of agents and general managers in his suite. What he learned from all of those conversations was nothing he didn't know before: The market for centerfielders stinks.
Cashman insists he'll act accordingly. "If I had an obvious opportunity for centerfield, I would move quick, but I don't," he said. "... There are players available on the market who would be an upgrade for us, but we don't like their price tags, whether it's players traded or cost in dollars."
The Yankees arrived here hoping the Marlins might drop their asking price for Juan Pierre, whom Yankees officials like as a one-year stopgap. But the market for Pierre appears to be surprisingly strong, significantly decreasing the chances of a deal. The Yankees do not plan to trade Robinson Cano, whom the Marlins want.
Cashman, meanwhile, insists he has no problem going into the season with Bubba Crosby as the starting centerfielder, with the intent of improving later.
"We're very willing and very prepared to go into spring training with Bubba and wait and see what develops," Cashman said. "Something always develops over time."
Even the bizarre, such as Arn Tellem calling Cashman not too long ago and asking him to consider Nomar Garciaparra as a candidate to play centerfield next year.
Although the Yankees do not consider the former Red Sox shortstop a centerfield possibility, they haven't ruled out signing him. One person familiar with the situation said the Yankees view Garcia.parra as a versatile backup, stressing it's not a "front burner" issue.
"It's in my best interest to talk with everybody," Cashman said. But he also said, "It's a terrible free-agent market. Just because other teams are doing it doesn't mean we should be active just to be active. It's got to make sense."
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1206,0,4579773.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
Gabby Hernandez and another prospect for LoDuca.
proposed: Robinson Cano and another prospect (Henn?) for Pierre.
Wonders never cease.
Yankees1962
12-06-05, 04:33 AM
I think some of you are going to be really disappointed in the lack of activity involving the Yankees.
In terms of the Yankees' needs, "It's a terrible free agent market," Cashman said.
On the trade front, there is no trade worthy of moving second baseman Robinson Cano or starter Chien-Ming Wang, who are valuable to the Yankees and currently inexpensive.
The Yankees are determined to keep payroll at $30 million to $40 million below last year's $205 million, but Cashman would not address a published report that the club lost money last year. There is still plenty of Yankee money in the coffers to make a big offer, but club insiders insisted that nothing was percolating on the free agent or trade fronts as of Monday night.
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMDYmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY4MzE4OTAmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2
noneckwilliams
12-06-05, 05:53 AM
I think some of you are going to be really disappointed in the lack of activity involving the Yankees.
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMDYmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY4MzE4OTAmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2
Just because it's the "Winter Meetings" doesn't mean that Cash should just make any move. I suspect the parameters for potential trades have been set prior to the meetings and Cash hasn't seen anything to pull the trigger on.
Things don't have to get done this week and the longer he waits the better position he'll be in.
TheScooter
12-06-05, 05:59 AM
Expect center fielder Juan Pierre to be the next Marlins star to leave the team, possibly as soon as today
Pierre is being pursued by at least four teams, but the Chicago Cubs have made him their top priority of the winter meetings.
After failing to sign free-agent shortstop Rafael Furcal, the Cubs are intrigued with the idea of Pierre as their leadoff hitter. The Cubs and Marlins planned to talk late Monday or today to discuss a proposal that likely would include pitching.
Among the pitchers Chicago could offer are three right-handers with major-league experience — Sergio Mitre, Jerome Williams and Todd Wellemeyer — and minor-league right-hander Ricky Nolasco.
The Texas Rangers also plan to talk to Florida today, with outfielder Laynce Nix as a possible offer
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/content/sports/epaper/2005/12/06/a5c_marlinsnotes_1206.html
TheScooter
12-06-05, 06:19 AM
The Yankees are believed to have interest in righthanders Octavio Dotel, Julian Tavarez and Rick White and lefthanders Mike Myers, Joey Eischen and Ricardo Rincon. Dotel, coming off Tommy John surgery, is looking for a one-year, incentive-based deal.
Al Leiter also is a possibility if he chooses to return for another season instead of retiring, although his situation is complicated by tomorrow's deadline to offer arbitration.
Because Leiter made $8 million last year, the Yankees will not offer arbitration unless Leiter agrees to decline it, giving both sides until Dec. 19 to continue negotiations. A player's salary cannot be reduced by more than 20 percent through arbitration.
The Yankees are faced with the same problem regarding Bernie Williams, who made $12 million last season. Cashman has a meeting scheduled with agent Scott Boras, which will mark only the second time they have discussed Williams' future
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1206,0,4579773.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
TheScooter
12-06-05, 06:20 AM
Al Leiter also is in that category, and Cashman has not dismissed the idea of bringing the veteran back as a left-handed setup man.
Free agents Ricardo Rincon, Joey Eischen and Mike Myers are the lefty specialists who have most attracted the Yankees' attention
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMDYmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY4MzE4OTAmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2
noneckwilliams
12-06-05, 07:10 AM
I don't want Leiter back.
Yankees1962
12-06-05, 07:11 AM
Just because it's the "Winter Meetings" doesn't mean that Cash should just make any move. I suspect the parameters for potential trades have been set prior to the meetings and Cash hasn't seen anything to pull the trigger on.
Things don't have to get done this week and the longer he waits the better position he'll be in.
He might not necessarily be in a better position, if the players he's interested in are actually traded to other teams.
StatenIslandYankee
12-06-05, 07:18 AM
I don't want Leiter back.
I would even take Rincon over Al.
surge511
12-06-05, 08:17 AM
My expectation is that we leave the winter meetings without any major additions to the team - which really isn't all that bad.
I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make any big moves either.
StatenIslandYankee
12-06-05, 08:50 AM
Steve Phillips on MIKE AND MIKE:
- Burnett going to Jays for 5/55
- Blue Jays are looking to trade for Overbay Abreu
- Clemens needs to make up his mind and he's handcuffing the Astros
- Abreu on the radar of Astros, Jays
- Nomar will not go to the Yankees
for clemens to pull this crap AGAIN just shows what an unbelievable primadonna he really is.
Kulish29
12-06-05, 08:55 AM
Steve Phillips on MIKE AND MIKE:
- Burnett going to Jays for 5/55
- Blue Jays are looking to trade for Overbay Abreu
- Clemens needs to make up his mind and he's handcuffing the Astros
- Abreu on the radar of Astros, Jays
- Nomar will not go to the Yankees
Not that I want Nomar on the Yankees but, did Philips give a reason why Nomar wouldnt go to the Yankees?
effdamets
12-06-05, 09:02 AM
Not that I want Nomar on the Yankees but, did Philips give a reason why Nomar wouldnt go to the Yankees?
Steve Phillips is just a jealous, Yankee-hating a$$head... Stupid monkey-nuts!
38Special
12-06-05, 09:06 AM
Steve Phillips doesnt hate the Yankees, he's just a moron
for clemens to pull this crap AGAIN just shows what an unbelievable primadonna he really is.
Hint to the Stros- make sure you offer him arbitration- just in case he decides to retire than miraculously unretire- just ask Cashman about that
ICEBERG18
12-06-05, 09:19 AM
While the cost-cutting Marlins still are refusing to lower their asking price of Robinson Cano for Juan Pierre, they have begun to tell teams that every player on their roster - including Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera - is available for the right price.
The Yankees threw out the names of Cano and Chien-Ming Wang in passing as possibilities for Willis, the Marlins' dynamic lefthander, but the Marlins told them it would take a lot more than that, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yan...y-yankees-print
While the cost-cutting Marlins still are refusing to lower their asking price of Robinson Cano for Juan Pierre, they have begun to tell teams that every player on their roster - including Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera - is available for the right price.
The Yankees threw out the names of Cano and Chien-Ming Wang in passing as possibilities for Willis, the Marlins' dynamic lefthander, but the Marlins told them it would take a lot more than that, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yan...y-yankees-print
throw in arod.
LMAO!!!
i want dontrelle willis in NY.
damn, if nothing else, the hot stove rules. :D
MisterNovember
12-06-05, 09:25 AM
While the cost-cutting Marlins still are refusing to lower their asking price of Robinson Cano for Juan Pierre, they have begun to tell teams that every player on their roster - including Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera - is available for the right price.
The Yankees threw out the names of Cano and Chien-Ming Wang in passing as possibilities for Willis, the Marlins' dynamic lefthander, but the Marlins told them it would take a lot more than that, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yan...y-yankees-print
Wow!
I would trade Cano, Wang and Duncan for Pierre/Cabrera in a HEARTBEAT.
Don't think the Marlins would go for it tho.
For Cabrera? I don't know.. I'd do Cano + Wang + Duncan for Willis + Petit, though.
38Special
12-06-05, 09:34 AM
I would drive Duncan, Melky, even Phil Hughes to the airport for Cabrera. He's a one of a kind talent
I would drive Duncan, Melky, even Phil Hughes to the airport for Cabrera. He's a one of a kind talentYou'd do all three for Cabrera?
Dr. Gonzo
12-06-05, 09:36 AM
I think they would have too, but he young and an exceptional player.
I do also think he needs to get out of Florida and on a team like the yanks where they can teach him not to take his skills for granted. But who knows if he will ever listen.
DontHateOnNumber2
12-06-05, 09:39 AM
The Yankees are desperate for a new everyday centerfielder, and everyone at the winter meetings knows it, but Brian Cashman is doing his best to not act that way.
The Yankees' general manager spent the first day of the meetings at the Wyndham Anatole hosting an array of agents and general managers in his suite. What he learned from all of those conversations was nothing he didn't know before: The market for centerfielders stinks.
Cashman insists he'll act accordingly. "If I had an obvious opportunity for centerfield, I would move quick, but I don't," he said. "... There are players available on the market who would be an upgrade for us, but we don't like their price tags, whether it's players traded or cost in dollars."
The Yankees arrived here hoping the Marlins might drop their asking price for Juan Pierre, whom Yankees officials like as a one-year stopgap. But the market for Pierre appears to be surprisingly strong, significantly decreasing the chances of a deal. The Yankees do not plan to trade Robinson Cano, whom the Marlins want.
Cashman, meanwhile, insists he has no problem going into the season with Bubba Crosby as the starting centerfielder, with the intent of improving later.
"We're very willing and very prepared to go into spring training with Bubba and wait and see what develops," Cashman said. "Something always develops over time."
Even the bizarre, such as Arn Tellem calling Cashman not too long ago and asking him to consider Nomar Garciaparra as a candidate to play centerfield next year.
Although the Yankees do not consider the former Red Sox shortstop a centerfield possibility, they haven't ruled out signing him. One person familiar with the situation said the Yankees view Garcia.parra as a versatile backup, stressing it's not a "front burner" issue.
"It's in my best interest to talk with everybody," Cashman said. But he also said, "It's a terrible free-agent market. Just because other teams are doing it doesn't mean we should be active just to be active. It's got to make sense."
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1206,0,4579773.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
I'm so glad the Yanks re-signed him.
Yankees1962
12-06-05, 09:42 AM
I would drive Duncan, Melky, even Phil Hughes to the airport for Cabrera. He's a one of a kind talent
I would do so for Willis only.
DontHateOnNumber2
12-06-05, 09:43 AM
While the cost-cutting Marlins still are refusing to lower their asking price of Robinson Cano for Juan Pierre, they have begun to tell teams that every player on their roster - including Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera - is available for the right price.
The Yankees threw out the names of Cano and Chien-Ming Wang in passing as possibilities for Willis, the Marlins' dynamic lefthander, but the Marlins told them it would take a lot more than that, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yan...y-yankees-print
I'm apprehensive to letting go of CM Wang, but I think I'd trade him and Phil Hughes, and some cash for Dontrelle. It'd never happen though so I would not be worried about it.
NewEraYanks2527
12-06-05, 09:43 AM
I'd love to see Cabrera or Willis in Pinstripes but I am not really willing to trade the farm that we are trying to rebuild for them. Great talents but I would like to see the Yankees produce there own stars and have a future, I know both of those guys are young but really lets not sell the farm.
38Special
12-06-05, 09:47 AM
I'd love to see Cabrera or Willis in Pinstripes but I am not really willing to trade the farm that we are trying to rebuild for them. Great talents but I would like to see the Yankees produce there own stars and have a future.
The thing is, you build the farm in the hopes of producing players like him. 950 OPS at age 22, and still improving. Man..
ICEBERG18
12-06-05, 09:53 AM
It was interesting to read, but i highly doubt anything will come of it, especially, involving Willis & Cabrera.
RobbiMan
12-06-05, 09:54 AM
I'd love to see Cabrera or Willis in Pinstripes but I am not really willing to trade the farm that we are trying to rebuild for them. Great talents but I would like to see the Yankees produce there own stars and have a future, I know both of those guys are young but really lets not sell the farm.
First of all, I think the report came from someone who had a few too many in the hotel bar and decided to drunk dial a bunch of GM's who jokingly gave him trade rumors.
Secondly, I don't think Yankee fans or Red Sox fans should get too excited about this one. Neither team has the chips to get this one done. If the Marlins were dumb enough to deal two of the best young talents in baseball, they certainly would not be giving them away. The Sox and Yankees would be spectators watching teams like the Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Brewers, and Angels throw top shelf prospects around. No combination of Wang, Cano, Hughes, Duncan would get either of these guys for the Yankees and no combination of Lester, Pedroia, Papelbon, Youkilis, Moss would get these guys for the Sox. File under: AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
effdamets
12-06-05, 09:55 AM
I'm apprehensive to letting go of CM Wang, but I think I'd trade him and Phil Hughes, and some cash for Dontrelle. It'd never happen though so I would not be worried about it.
I'd trade Wang, due to his past shoulder problems. But not Cano.
Also you've gotta figure that Willis' action will fail him sooner or later. He is an injury risk waiting to happen. He's also thrown a LOT of innings that will take their toll on his arm.
Shadowkan
12-06-05, 10:06 AM
Miguel Cabrera is one of the best young players in the game. At his age and talent level, I'd give any combination of prospects for him. He's playing out of position in the outfield right now, but he is atheltic enough to play there. He hits for average, power, drives in runs in a pitcher's ballpark.
Also remember that at his age, he is under contract at a low salary for a little while. Unfortunately, this trade would never happen with the Yanks. The prospects we have just do not justify a player of his caliber right now. But at least I can still dream about it...
What about trading a mid-level prospect to the Twins for JC Romero?
The Braves' search for a closer could lead them to pursue deals with the Twins, Astros and other teams with deep bullpens. The Twins, after sending right-hander Travis Bowyer to the Marlins in the Luis Castillo trade, do not plan to trade any of their right-handed relievers, though they would part with lefty J.C. Romero. The Braves could be interested in someone like Astros right-hander Chad Qualls, whom they would turn into a closer. They also are expected to speak with free agent Bob Wickman.
Last year Romero was 4-3, 3.47ERA, 39BB, 48SO in 57IP. Versus lefties, though, he had a 2.54 ERA, with 10BBs and 28SOs in 28IP. Still too many walks.. opp SLG of .267
38Special
12-06-05, 10:31 AM
Romero is a horrible pitcher. He walks guys like its gone out of style.
Romero is a horrible pitcher. He walks guys like its gone out of style.Yeah, although his WHIP against lefties was 1.06. So if used STRICTLY as a LOOGY... not worth the trade, though, I guess. Rather sign Rincon.
ReggieBar
12-06-05, 10:36 AM
Cabrera doesn't have a position with the Yankees. He is NOT a good outfielder, although his talent is unquestionable. Willis would have twice the value to this team.
how about a shackelford/freel from the reds to the yanks for pavano and 20% of his salary?
Hopefully we can pick up someone good in the Rule 5 draft.
nyctalopia
12-06-05, 10:44 AM
There is no way Willis or Cabrera will be traded. The Marlins said at the start of this ridiculous firesale that those 2 players were their building blocks and untouchables. But yes, if either was available, I'd give up Melky, Duncan, and Hughes for them.
nyctalopia
12-06-05, 10:45 AM
Hopefully we can pick up someone good in the Rule 5 draft.
I highly doubt it. This year's crop of rule 5 guys are crap. The best one is Singer, and he's pretty much useless too.
StatenIslandYankee
12-06-05, 11:10 AM
Cabrera is not coming here.
Dooley Womack
12-06-05, 11:27 AM
If Cashman gives up anything more than a low-level nobody for Pierre, I'd have to question his judgment.
Kulish29
12-06-05, 11:48 AM
I highly doubt it. This year's crop of rule 5 guys are crap. The best one is Singer, and he's pretty much useless too.
What about Ben Francisco?
http://rotoworld.com/content/story.asp?sport=MLB&storyid=17994
Ben Francisco - OF Indians - Age 24 - 15 percent
.307/.357/.474 for Double-A Akron. Center fielder is currently batting .320/.374/.587 in Mexican Pacific League.
Cabrera doesn't have a position with the Yankees. He is NOT a good outfielder, although his talent is unquestionable. Willis would have twice the value to this team.
Exactly. If Cabrera cant play a very good OF (preferably CF) he has almost no value to this team. If we cant win with a line-up of A-Rod,Jeter,Giambi,Sheffield,Matsui,Posada,Cano etc. it AIN't b/c of lack of hitting talent.
Kulish29
12-06-05, 12:31 PM
Exactly. If Cabrera cant play a very good OF (preferably CF) he has almost no value to this team. If we cant win with a line-up of A-Rod,Jeter,Giambi,Sheffield,Matsui,Posada,Cano etc. it AIN't b/c of lack of hitting talent.
If there was a way the Yankees could get Cabrera cheap enough, they'd do it. I dont care if he has no position to play, you find a way for that bat to get into the line up. If it forces Matsui to play CF, so be it.
effdamets
12-06-05, 12:33 PM
If there was a way the Yankees could get Cabrera cheap enough, they'd do it. I dont care if he has no position to play, you find a way for that bat to get into the line up. If it forces Matsui to play CF, so be it.
How about if the Yanks picked up Cabrerra for cheap, then turned around and traded that chip for something they really needed? (insert player or players as you feel fit)
If there was a way the Yankees could get Cabrera cheap enough, they'd do it. I dont care if he has no position to play, you find a way for that bat to get into the line up. If it forces Matsui to play CF, so be it.
Problem is he won't be cheap enough esp. when teams with much greater need of hitter than we do would be willing to pay a kings ransom. Our focus should be Willis and rightly so.
Kulish29
12-06-05, 12:42 PM
Problem is he won't be cheap enough esp. when teams with much greater need of hitter than we do would be willing to pay a kings ransom. Our focus should be Willis and rightly so.
Oh, I know he wouldnt come cheaply, he'd cost way too much. But if the cost was Cano and Wang for Cabrera, they'd do it, Cashman wouldnt even hesitate.
It's all moot though. The Marlins would want every blue chip prospect the Yankees have for Cabrera and/or Willis. It's not worth it to put the farm back into shambles.
Yankeeah
12-06-05, 02:01 PM
Baseball tonite on right now on ESPN, winter meetings special, ill recap every now and then
Baseball tonite on right now on ESPN, winter meetings special, ill recap every now and thenThanks :)
Yankeeah
12-06-05, 02:15 PM
Gammons: Ramirez being shopped activley, but Angels don't want to lose Santana
Mirabelli for Loretta to free up money for SD to sign Hoffman possibly
Phillips: Hoffman to either Padres or Cleveland, likely to Cleveland
Cubs/Braves looking at Lugo
Damon most likely to re-sign with Boston
Ravech: JP Ricchardi gets extension
They then spent about 8 minutes discussing the Blue Jays, mostly Burnett.
The 2000 Driefort signing and the 2005 Burnett signign are freakishly similar. Same contract, and very similar numbers. Dreifort has had 9 wins in 26 starts since 2000 they said.
Yankeeah
12-06-05, 02:29 PM
Broke down Clemens forever. Nothing new, Astros in bind, need offense, Clemens would cost too much.
Gammons: Griffey will probably stay. Trying to move Sean Casey, might not happen. Will Mo might go to Washington, Kearns to the Cubs possibly. Millwood probably to Seattle, Cincy might make big deal for Weaver. Beckett's MRI is bad, Sox were scared of the trade after seeing it.
Phillips: Abreu for Prior, he just gave his opinions on it. Doesn't think it's likely.
Dreifort has had 9 wins in 26 starts since 2000 they said.
Hopefully Burnett will have the same amount too.
BeantownYankee
12-06-05, 02:33 PM
Beckett's MRI is bad, Sox were scared of the trade after seeing it.
Then why did they make the trade?
Phillips: Abreu for Prior, he just gave his opinions on it. Doesn't think it's likely.
I never thought much of Phillips, but saying Abreu for Prior is retarted. Why would the Cubs give up Prior for Abreu? When healthy Prior is one of the best pitchers in the league and he is only 25.
Yankeeah
12-06-05, 02:35 PM
Phillips didn;t suggest it, it was brought up in general, and he discussed it, but it's been reported elsewhere, Reguadless, Phillips is an idiot.
They said the Sox almost called off the trade as a result of the MRI.
I never thought much of Phillips, but saying Abreu for Prior is retarted. Why would the Cubs give up Prior for Abreu? When healthy Prior is one of the best pitchers in the league and he is only 25.The rumor/story is that the Cubs inquired about Abreu and were told the cost would be Prior.
Yankeeah
12-06-05, 02:46 PM
Interview with Devil Rays manager Joe Maddon, Gammons confused him by asking him about trades.
Tim Kurkjian and Jayson Stark are now on
Stark: Arbeu for Prior was discussed for 30 seconds, Cubs said no. They want leadoff hitter, Lugo, Gathright, Pierre all possibilities.
Tim: Millwood won't go to Seattle, Cleveland in lead for Hoffman. Washington will get new ballpark and be there for a while. Bowden might stay as GM, but he probably won't stay. Don't have much money to spend.
Everyone laughed when they said the Yankees lost money, like an "I don't believe it" laugh.
Reynolds: Wants Bubba as starting CFer for Yanks.
Kruk: Crosby not worthy of Yankees since hes not an all-star (douchebag).
Stark: Cash had a meeting with Boras to talk about Damon, Boras wants Yanks in it. Yankees said only at 3 or 4 years. Damon wants to be a Red Sox. Yanks talked about Rowand, Pierre and Torri, but if not willing to trade Wang or Cano, then nothing get anything done. The Marlins have 6 offers better than Proctor and Henn, Pierre won't be in pinstripes. Crosby will start as Yankees CF. Cano is a work in progress,
Kurkjin: Ramirez will remain Red Sox for longer than people think, openign day LF for Boston, talkign to AZ/LAA about it. Mid January, Washington will get new ownership
Stark and Kurkjian: Yankees are cold as a corpse
Bubba ball seems to be the play of the day.
Interview with Devil Rays manager Joe Maddon, Gammons confused him by asking him about trades.
Tim Kurkjian and Jayson Stark are now on
Stark: Arbeu for Prior was discussed for 30 seconds, Cubs said no. They want leadoff hitter, Lugo, Gathright, Pierre all possibilities.
Tim: Millwood won't go to Seattle, Cleveland in lead for Hoffman. Washington will get new ballpark and be there for a while. Bowden might stay as GM, but he probably won't stay. Don't have much money to spend.
Everyone laughed when they said the Yankees lost money, like an "I don't believe it" laugh.
Reynolds: Wants Bubba as starting CFer for Yanks.
Kruk: Crosby not worthy of Yankees since hes not an all-star (douchebag).
Stark: Cash had a meetign with Boras to talk abotu Damon, Boras wants Yanks init. Yankees said only at 3 or 4 years. Damons wants to be a Red Sox. Talked about Rowand, Pierre and Torri, but if not willing to trade Wang or Cano, then not get anything done. The Marlins have 6 offers better than Proctor and Henn, Pierre won't be in pinstripes. Crosby will start as Yankees CF. Cano is a work in progress,
Kurkjin: Ramirez will remain Red Sox for longer than people think, openign day LF for Boston, talkign to AZ/LAA about it. Mid January, Washington will get new ownership
Kruk is a sweaty asshat with no neck, maybe if he knew something about baseball he would realize that Bubba Crosby simply isn't a great option.
Yankeeah
12-06-05, 02:50 PM
Kruk is a sweaty asshat with no neck, maybe if he knew something about baseball he would realize that Bubba Crosby simply isn't a great option.
They didn't say he was great, they said he could handle the job, and then reassess during the season. They don't need the offense.
Wade_Taylor
12-06-05, 02:51 PM
Maybe someone could confirm this for me, but I also read on DirtDogs that Gammons was reported as saying "The Sox nearly cancelled the Beckett deal when they saw the MRI on his shoulder." I mean given that its Gammons its very possible that the MRI showed that Beckett in fact has a bionic shoulder that is indestructable. But if this is true it would lend credence to some of those reports that the Yankees were luke-warm on Beckett because of the shoulder.
Maybe someone could confirm this for me, but I also read on DirtDogs that Gammons was reported as saying "The Sox nearly cancelled the Beckett deal when they saw the MRI on his shoulder." I mean given that its Gammons its very possible that the MRI showed that Beckett in fact has a bionic shoulder that is indestructable. But if this is true it would lend credence to some of those reports that the Yankees were luke-warm on Beckett because of the shoulder.
Gammons did mention that a few minutes ago.
Yankees1962
12-06-05, 02:52 PM
Maybe someone could confirm this for me, but I also read on DirtDogs that Gammons was reported as saying "The Sox nearly cancelled the Beckett deal when they saw the MRI on his shoulder." I mean given that its Gammons its very possible that the MRI showed that Beckett in fact has a bionic shoulder that is indestructable. But if this is true it would lend credence to some of those reports that the Yankees were luke-warm on Beckett because of the shoulder.
It's true that Gammons has made those comments. I heard him say it yesterday, on XM Radio and then again today on ESPN.
Yankeeah
12-06-05, 02:53 PM
Phillips: Hoffman wants to play for a winner
Reynolds: Padres insulted Hoffman
Gammons: switch from AL to NL would help Hoffman
Boring segment, all Hoffman
Yankees1962
12-06-05, 02:55 PM
Boring segment, all Hoffman
This year's winter meetings are going to be boring for Yankee fans because they're not going to do anything until Thursday and only then to sign some other bullpen arms.
nycdoc999
12-06-05, 02:58 PM
Rotoworld reporting that the Giants are willing to essentially dump LaTroy Hawkins to the Mets for essentially nothing.
Wonder if there's any way Cashman can get in on that? Trade a middling prospect (Proctor?) to the Giants for Hawkins. Yanks get another pen arm for the 7th/8th innings. Giants get salary relief.
Hawkins' struggles as a closer are well documented, but as a set-up guy, you'd think he'd be better. He was very good as an 8th inning guy in front of Guardado on Minnesota. Granted, that was years ago...
Worth a shot though, since it'd cost us essentially nothing.
Yankeeah
12-06-05, 02:59 PM
I'd like Hawkins, but would give up little for him. I loved him as a Twin, i wanted him a Gordon back then
Yankeeah
12-06-05, 03:00 PM
Reynolds: Giants need to win it, everyones getting older.
final thoughts:
Gammons: Frank Thomas to Oakland
Phillips: Keep eye on devil rays and trades they make
Next BBT update on at 5 on ESPNEWS
Phillips: Hoffman wants to play for a winner
Reynolds: Padres insulted Hoffman
Gammons: switch from AL to NL would help Hoffman
Boring segment, all HoffmanIsn't Hoffman in the NL now? Wouldn't the move TO the AL hurt him?
Yankeeah
12-06-05, 03:06 PM
Isn't Hoffman in the NL now? Wouldn't the move TO the AL hurt him?
He said since the hitters havent faced him much.
to get on the subject, right now day two is almost over and i dont expect much
nycdoc999
12-06-05, 03:08 PM
But that's my point! They wouldn't have to give up much for him...
Kulish29
12-06-05, 03:09 PM
Phillips: Keep eye on devil rays and trades they make
Is he going to do another one of those fantastic "Mock GM Press Conferences" about the D'Rays?
Because if they are, they'd be better served showing a monkey scratch his butt for 15 minutes on tv.
nyyanksfan20
12-06-05, 03:32 PM
Rotoworld reporting that the Giants are willing to essentially dump LaTroy Hawkins to the Mets for essentially nothing.
Wonder if there's any way Cashman can get in on that? Trade a middling prospect (Proctor?) to the Giants for Hawkins. Yanks get another pen arm for the 7th/8th innings. Giants get salary relief.
Hawkins' struggles as a closer are well documented, but as a set-up guy, you'd think he'd be better. He was very good as an 8th inning guy in front of Guardado on Minnesota. Granted, that was years ago...
Worth a shot though, since it'd cost us essentially nothing.
I'd do it but Hawkins reeks of Felix Rodriguez.
Isn't Hoffman in the NL now? Wouldn't the move TO the AL hurt him?
Not really. Closers don't really face the pitcher. If they're in the game, so is a pinch hitter.
nycdoc999
12-06-05, 03:50 PM
Would you trade Scott Proctor for Hawkins?
I would - in a minute. We already know that Proctor can't get it done. We can't say the same for Hawkins....
terminator
12-06-05, 03:54 PM
I'd do it but Hawkins reeks of Felix Rodriguez.
Hawkins was traded to the Orioles for Steve Kline.
Stryder2929
12-06-05, 07:45 PM
Rumor out of the meetings:
The Cubs would get:
Jaun Pierre
Matt Erickson
The Marlins would get
Sean Henn
Scott Proctor
Jeffrey Karstens
Jerome Williams
Jerry Hairston
The Yankees would get:
Correy Patterson
Ron Villone
RobbiMan
12-06-05, 07:46 PM
Rumor out of the meetings:
The Cubs would get:
Jaun Pierre
Matt Erickson
The Marlins would get
Sean Henn
Scott Proctor
Jeffrey Karstens
Jerome Williams
Jerry Hairston
The Yankees would get:
Correy Patterson
Ron Villone
This is not a rumor out of the meetings, this is a rumor out of a thread in the Hot Stove forum started by a guy who just signed up to post.
Stryder2929
12-06-05, 07:58 PM
This is not a rumor out of the meetings, this is a rumor out of a thread in the Hot Stove forum started by a guy who just signed up to post.
ive seen it in 3 seperate forums. i can assure u i just didnt fabricate it
and kiddo, ive been here much longer than you so zip it
RobbiMan
12-06-05, 08:18 PM
ive seen it in 3 seperate forums. i can assure u i just didnt fabricate it
and kiddo, ive been here much longer than you so zip it
Settle down, I was not referring you you, I was referring to this, the apparent "origin" of the "rumor":
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I heard this rumor from a source inside the Winter Meetings:
one of my sources tells me that the yankees are contemplating a 9 player 3 way trade with the cubs and marlins.
The Cubs would get:
Jaun Pierre
Matt Erickson
The Marlins would get
Sean Henn
Scott Proctor
Jeffrey Karstens
Jerome Williams
Jerry Hairston
The Yankees would get:
Correy Patterson
Ron Villone
Villone would fill a bullpen hole, and hopefully Tavarez will fill the other. But I'm not sure how I feel about Patterson in CF. What about you guys?
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=91554&page=6&pp=45
SINCE77 2
12-06-05, 08:21 PM
Rumor out of the meetings:
The Cubs would get:
Jaun Pierre
Matt Erickson
The Marlins would get
Sean Henn
Scott Proctor
Jeffrey Karstens
Jerome Williams
Jerry Hairston
The Yankees would get:
Correy Patterson
Ron Villone
Considering that I am on the sign Nomah bandwagon, I would have no problem with Patterson in CF and Villone in the pen. However, Patterson would be reporting to Donnie one day after Christmas to work on his stroke.
Stryder2929
12-06-05, 08:38 PM
Settle down, I was not referring you you, I was referring to this, the apparent "origin" of the "rumor":
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=91554&page=6&pp=45
my apologies then, id figure rumors this baseless wouldnt crawl farther than here
WrightIsWrong
12-06-05, 09:15 PM
Some updates from Rotoworld:
1)The Red Sox, Braves and Rays are reportedly discussing a three-team deal that would send Edgar Renteria to Atlanta, Andy Marte to Tampa Bay and Julio Lugo to Boston.
2)The Dodgers are close to acquiring Alfonso Soriano for reliever Jonathon Broxton, ESPN's Peter Gammons reports.
3)ESPN's Peter Gammons is reporting that Kris Benson is on his way to the Royals for Jeremy Affeldt and Mike MacDougal
AMYanks
12-06-05, 09:23 PM
Some updates from Rotoworld:
1)The Red Sox, Braves and Rays are reportedly discussing a three-team deal that would send Edgar Renteria to Atlanta, Andy Marte to Tampa Bay and Julio Lugo to Boston.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/12/06/sox_looking_to_trade_renteria/
DALLAS -- While trade talks involving Manny Ramirez stalled -- with one source with direct knowledge of the negotiations indicating that the New York Mets are not in the bidding and that the Los Angeles Angels had not been heard from yesterday -- the Red Sox were moving aggressively to trade shortstop Edgar Renteria.
Renteria, Boston's prize free agent acquisition last winter who has fallen out of favor after a 30-error season, could be headed to the Atlanta Braves as part of a three-way deal with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays in which the Sox would receive Devil Rays shortstop Julio Lugo while the Devil Rays would get prospects from Atlanta, presumably highly regarded third baseman Andy Marte and another player.
Two sources with direct knowledge of negotiations last night confirmed the proposed deal. The Braves just lost their shortstop, Rafael Furcal, who agreed to a three-year, $39 million free agent deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers last weekend, and have always held Renteria in high regard. The Sox, meanwhile, would either play Lugo at short or at second base, depending on two other deals they had on the table. They asked the Angels about Orlando Cabrera, and also are trying to persuade the San Diego Padres to take catcher Doug Mirabelli in exchange for second baseman Mark Loretta.
The Sox asked for Cabrera as part of the package they were seeking in exchange for Ramirez, but a source with direct knowledge of the Angels' thinking said last night that he did not expect the Angels to make a deal for the Red Sox slugger. ''It's not happening,'' the source said.
South Facing Epitaph
12-06-05, 09:24 PM
Some updates from Rotoworld:
1)The Red Sox, Braves and Rays are reportedly discussing a three-team deal that would send Edgar Renteria to Atlanta, Andy Marte to Tampa Bay and Julio Lugo to Boston.
That would be a huge improvement for the Sox.
Dooley Womack
12-06-05, 09:28 PM
That's would be a huge improvement for the Sox.
Lugo had a career year at the plate last year. Most years he's "eh" and prone to K a lot. His defense is suspect. Lugo vs. Renteria is six of one, half a dozen of another.
longtimeyankeefan
12-06-05, 09:29 PM
That's would be a huge improvement for the Sox.
With the way Edgar played last season, Clay Bellinger would be an improvement for the Sox.
Dooley Womack
12-06-05, 09:31 PM
Peter Gammons is reporting to everyone within earshot: "I miss Theo......... BADLY."
Dooley Womack
12-06-05, 09:32 PM
With the way Edgar played last season, Clay Bellinger would be an improvement for the Sox. :roflmao: :roflmao:
StatenIslandYankee
12-06-05, 09:35 PM
Gammons:
"everyone is busy improving and the Yankees can't do anything and won't"
.... in a nutshell
Dooley Womack
12-06-05, 09:36 PM
Settle down, I was not referring you you, I was referring to this, the apparent "origin" of the "rumor":
Villone would fill a bullpen hole, and hopefully Tavarez will fill the other. But I'm not sure how I feel about Patterson in CF. What about you guys?
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=91554&page=6&pp=45
Patterson? He of the .254 OBP/.602 OPS and 118 K's (168 K's in 2004)?
Shoot me if this happens.
GS needs to send Cashman another angry text message instructing him to try harder and be more creative. We do have a few chips with which to acqurie a CF.
AMYanks
12-06-05, 09:41 PM
GS needs to send Cashman another angry text message instructing him to try harder and be more creative. We do have a few chips with which to acqurie a CF.
I could just imagine a Steinbrenner text message.
"yo cash, its stein. r u gonna b mor agresive wit da free agts? holla bck son."
Dooley Womack
12-06-05, 09:45 PM
I could just imagine a Steinbrenner text message.
"yo cash, its stein. r u gonna b mor agresive wit da free agts? holla bck son."
:lol: "o, n bi the way does u ned an alom clok?
WrightIsWrong
12-06-05, 09:46 PM
GS needs to send Cashman another angry text message instructing him to try harder and be more creative. We do have a few chips with which to acqurie a CF.
I agree with Cashman's approach(being patient,willing to go w/ Crosby) but I believe that this will be the first true test to see if Cashman is really running things;How long before the next text message from GS is going to be Damon-5years/$60M.
ring403
12-06-05, 09:48 PM
Gammons:
"everyone is busy improving and the Yankees can't do anything and won't"
.... in a nutshellWell, if the all knowing and ever unbiased Peter Gammons says so, it must be true. Maybe he can find out if it would be legal for the Yankees to forfeit the 2006 season.
MisterNovember
12-06-05, 09:49 PM
I agree with Cashman's approach(being patient,willing to go w/ Crosby) but I believe that this will be the first true test to see if Cashman is really running things;How long before the next text message from GS is going to be Damon-5years/$60M.
I think you all overestimate Steinbrenner's power over the club's direction. While we all love to believe that "Big Stein" will do whatever it takes to win, at this point in his life George seems content to sit back and let Cashman and Torre work on the situation. Those hoping that "The Boss" will blow his top and demand the team makes a big splash are just dreaming. Cash is playing it smart.
AMYanks
12-06-05, 09:50 PM
:lol: "o, n bi the way does u ned an alom clok?
"giv damon wut he wantz... get em in pinstripz 2NITE SON!1 kinggeorge, out"
Dooley Womack
12-06-05, 09:52 PM
I agree with Cashman's approach(being patient,willing to go w/ Crosby) but I believe that this will be the first true test to see if Cashman is really running things;How long before the next text message from GS is going to be Damon-5years/$60M.
I truly have no problem with Crosby covering CF in the interim considering the poor market. He's an above average defender.
I still think 1st base, middle relief and a good bench player should be his priorities. A CF will become available during the season if need be (Cameron?) or perhaps next.
Dooley Womack
12-06-05, 09:57 PM
Well, if the all knowing and ever unbiased Peter Gammons says so, it must be true. Maybe he can find out if it would be legal for the Yankees to forfeit the 2006 season.
:lol: These days I take Gammons as seriously as I do Pat O'Brien on Access Hollywood. That's what he's been reduced to - a gossip columnist.
It's almost sad considering that he was one of the best when he was with The Globe.
Rosenthal says that the Yanks asked the Astros about Willy Taveras and were turned down.
Decent CFs exist, the Yanks just haven't been asking about them. Ryan Church, Rob Mackowiak, Jerry Hairston Jr and Jeff DaVanon could all be helpful options.
There are talks that the Pirates may be giving up Mark Redman, Kip Wells or Josh Fogg to the Nationals for Brad Wilkerson. The Yanks have to then talk to the Pirates about Jody Gerut, Rob Mackowiak or even Craig Wilson. They won't ask for a ton and all three of those players are potentially solid producers.
surge511
12-07-05, 01:52 PM
That is an interesting rumor about the trade of shortstops. The Braves honestly will never stop winning. That Bensen rumor also interests me.
As for the Yankees, I think what they're doing is smart. There are not too many players out there that I really want on this team. Nomar I think would be a good signing, but who knows if he wants to come here. Until something else materializes, he can't really be praised or criticized.
Apparently Estrada got traded to the D-Backs for two relief pitchers and TB traded Brazelton to SD for Burroughs.
Wade_Taylor
12-07-05, 02:08 PM
Apparently Estrada got traded to the D-Backs for two relief pitchers and TB traded Brazelton to SD for Burroughs.
If I were a GM like Cashman and I had a starting catcher who likely is in decline I would at least call Arizona and see what it wanted for Snyder or Hill, preferably Snyder because he is younger. I know we have Stinnett but I think we could figure out what to do with him if it meant getting a young catcher.
BeantownYankee
12-07-05, 02:12 PM
:lol: These days I take Gammons as seriously as I do Pat O'Brien on Access Hollywood. That's what he's been reduced to - a gossip columnist.
It's almost sad considering that he was one of the best when he was with The Globe.
Speaking of Gammons he was practically crying because Tampa didn't go through with the rent-a-wreck trade. Couldn't understand how they could want more than what they would get from the braves, he's such a homer
I think Lugo for Marte is pretty fair.
Wade_Taylor
12-07-05, 02:23 PM
Don't they suck?
If you are talking about Hill and Snyder then you are right to an extent. I looked more at Hill's stats and he largely is not very good. Snyder had decent numbers in the minors and actually could develop into a solid catcher.
As the meetings wind down, I am still a bit dissapointed by Cashman. No one is advocating trading Cano, Hughes, Duncan, Wang & co but he needs to be more aggressive and creative in filling out the bench and bullpen.
aeromac76
12-07-05, 03:10 PM
As the meetings wind down, I am still a bit dissapointed by Cashman. No one is advocating trading Cano, Hughes, Duncan, Wang & co but he needs to be more aggressive and creative in filling out the bench and bullpen.
To be fair though, if you think this to be true, who should we get and what should we give up??
People want Cano and/or Wang and Hughes/Duncan for fourth OF types like Jason Michaels. The people who we think fit our needs are either asking for contracts that are beyond assinine (see Damon, Johnny 7 yrs 84 million) or are only attainable in trades where we are asked to give up 8-10x what the player we want is worth.
The moves I have heard about we just cannot do. I don't blame Cashman. I am not trading Cano/Wang/Duncan/Hughes for anything less than a total impact player. What names have we heard that make these guys worthwhile to give up? Heck I would hesitate to give up all four, or even three of them, for even a player like Pujols.
Yet we are hearing their names bounced around in traded for guys like Juan Pierre and Jason Michaels. But Florida insisted on Cano for Pierre. Right now, Cano is a better player, and makes more than 5 million less. Michaels is not even starting for the Phillies if the season started today and they want Wang. Chien-Ming Wang for a backup?? What are the Phillies smoking and where can I get some?
The free agent relievers that have signed were mostly closers who wanted to close. They were not coming here, I feel lucky we got a closer for a division winner to come set up for us. That was a big move.
We cannot make a move to just make a move. I have heard nothing I like, if you have heard a deal that makes sense, and has some smoke to it, by all means, if it makes sense I'd be on board, but we cannot knock Cashman for holding tight when nothing makes sense..
To be fair though, if you think this to be true, who should we get and what should we give up??
People want Cano and/or Wang and Hughes/Duncan for fourth OF types like Jason Michaels. The people who we think fit our needs are either asking for contracts that are beyond assinine (see Damon, Johnny 7 yrs 84 million) or are only attainable in trades where we are asked to give up 8-10x what the player we want is worth.
The moves I have heard about we just cannot do. I don't blame Cashman. I am not trading Cano/Wang/Duncan/Hughes for anything less than a total impact player. What names have we heard that make these guys worthwhile to give up? Heck I would hesitate to give up all four, or even three of them, for even a player like Pujols.
Yet we are hearing their names bounced around in traded for guys like Juan Pierre and Jason Michaels. But Florida insisted on Cano for Pierre. Right now, Cano is a better player, and makes more than 5 million less. Michaels is not even starting for the Phillies if the season started today and they want Wang. Chien-Ming Wang for a backup?? What are the Phillies smoking and where can I get some?
The free agent relievers that have signed were mostly closers who wanted to close. They were not coming here, I feel lucky we got a closer for a division winner to come set up for us. That was a big move.
We cannot make a move to just make a move. I have heard nothing I like, if you have heard a deal that makes sense, and has some smoke to it, by all means, if it makes sense I'd be on board, but we cannot knock Cashman for holding tight when nothing makes sense..
Agreed... good post. I think it is just very difficult for us as Yankee fans to not be doing anything.
StatenIslandYankee
12-07-05, 03:33 PM
Well, if the all knowing and ever unbiased Peter Gammons says so, it must be true. Maybe he can find out if it would be legal for the Yankees to forfeit the 2006 season.
He's working on it ...
Yankees1962
12-07-05, 03:38 PM
As the meetings wind down, I am still a bit dissapointed by Cashman. No one is advocating trading Cano, Hughes, Duncan, Wang & co but he needs to be more aggressive and creative in filling out the bench and bullpen.
What specific players do you want him to acquire?
Dooley Womack
12-07-05, 03:40 PM
As Chauncey Gardiner might have said, "First comes the fall, then comes the winter meetings and after that the non-tenders, and then comes spring."
The plan.
Dooley Womack
12-07-05, 03:43 PM
What specific players do you want him to acquire?
Mark19 isn't the GM, although Mark 19, or any member of this forum could have done the same as Cashman's done thus far for a hell of a lot cheaper.
Farnsworth? He credits Torre and his call to him for taking less years and less money to play for the Yanks.
Farnsworth? He credits Torre and his call to him for taking less years and less money to play for the Yanks.
Torre didn't call Farnsworth on his own, but because he was asked to. By Cashman. His boss. If Cashman had Torre call a free agent and Torre did a good sales job, then Cashman used his resources to facilitate a move. He recognized a strength in Torre and delegated a task to him that took advantage of that strength. This is what a good executive does.
In addition, to boil down this much money and this big a decision to one short phone call is a bit of an understatement, no? Someone actually had to, you know, negotiate a deal.
Dooley Womack
12-07-05, 04:05 PM
Torre didn't call Farnsworth on his own, but because he was asked to. By Cashman. His boss. If Cashman had Torre call a free agent and Torre did a good sales job, then Cashman used his resources to facilitate a move. He recognized a strength in Torre and delegated a task to him that took advantage of that strength. This is what a good executive does.
And George, Cashman's boss, was getting antsy that nothing was getting done and told him to get off his @ss in so many words. All of us could go around and around with this. I'm responding to those who are "privy" to this mysterious plan Cashman has up his sleeve; the same people who said a week or so ago that the winter meetings haven't even arrived yet, and that "you'll see!" Well, the meetings have arrived and pretty much gone. Now what do we wait for to see the results of this "plan"? Hopefully it's not more of "I'm happy with our starting and relief pitching" we heard from him prior to the 2004 season (and he actually meant it), when the rest of the world was saying, "huh?!?"
And George, Cashman's boss, was getting antsy that nothing was getting done and told him to get off his @ss in so many words. All of us could go around and around with this. I'm responding to those who are "privy" to this mysterious plan Cashman has up his sleeve; the same people that said a week or so ago that the winter meetings haven't even arrived yet, and that "you'll see!" Well, the meetings have arrived and pretty much gone. Now what do we wait for to see the results of this "plan"? Hopefully it's not more of "I'm happy with our starting and relief pitching" we heard from him prior to the 2004 season and actually meant it, when the rest of the world was saying, "huh?!?"
I feel like you are saying that if Cashman has a grand plan for the offseason, other teams have to accomodate it and give us players for things we are willing to give up. How can any "plan" make other teams do what we want?
If the Phillies want a young starting pitcher who makes nothing for an outfielder that won't even start games, what can a plan do? Trades require both teams agreeing. If part of our plan says don't trade our good players for crap and if teams won't stop asking for Cano, Wang, Duncan, and Hughes for marginal or overvalued players, then it doesn't matter what the rest of the plan is. The other GMs aren't going to give us what we want cause we had a plan.
And George, Cashman's boss, was getting antsy that nothing was getting done and told him so. All of us could go around and around with this. I'm responding to those who are "privy" to this mysterious plan Cashman has up his sleeve and said a week or so ago that the winter meetings haven't even arrived yet. Well, they've arrived. Now what do we wait for to see the results of this plan?
What antsiness from George? It' s hardly a coincidence that the Farnsworth deal and the Gordon deal went down in parrallel. There was no doubt that the Yankees were going to sign a reliever, so they did so at the pace of the market. The kind of guys the Yankees are looking at for CF are all still out there - Wilkerson, Church, Michaels, Jones, Encarnacion, and yes, even Damon. The market has not created the same level of urgency.
As for waiting for the Winter Meetings, who said that the team was going to change this week? I seem to recall saying that the Yankees would likely be patient until after December 20th and then see which arb eligible players were non-tendered. Even in terms of free agents, today's arb deadline will change the market.
Snatch Catch
12-07-05, 04:15 PM
As the meetings wind down, I am still a bit dissapointed by Cashman. No one is advocating trading Cano, Hughes, Duncan, Wang & co but he needs to be more aggressive and creative in filling out the bench and bullpen.
He's done no wrong by me so far. I applaud his work to this point, and there is nothing that has been done to this point by ANY team that has made me say "I wish Cash would have been in on that."
Keep up the good work, Cash.
Dooley Womack
12-07-05, 04:17 PM
I feel like you are saying that if Cashman has a grand plan for the offseason, other teams have to accomodate it and give us players for things we are willing to give up. How can any "plan" make other teams do what we want? If the Phillies want a young starting pitcher who makes nothing for an outfielder that won't even start games, what can a plan do? Trades require both teams agreeing. If part of our plan says don't trade our good players for crap and if teams won't stop asking for Cano, Wang, Duncan, and Hughes for marginal or overvalued players, then it doesn't matter what the rest of the plan is. The other GMs aren't going to give us what we want cause we had a plan.
That's why he's getting paid a million or so bucks a year to be the GM and we're not. Some GM's are movers and shakers making all of us scratch our heads and say "How the hell did he pull that off and steal Player X from team B when team B didn't even need player Y?!" Why isn't anyone interested in OUR comeback player of the year who is stealing 21 million a year from the Yanks while there are 4 or five suitors for Manny's services?
Trades happen; sometime with a lot of creativity, guile, whatever. We can't keep pretending that it's all about Wang, Duncan, Cano and Hughes.
whalers
12-07-05, 04:22 PM
That's why he's getting paid a million or so bucks a year to be the GM and we're not. Some GM's are movers and shakers making all of us scratch our heads and say "How the hell did he pull that off and steal Player X from team B when team B didn't even need player Y?!" Why isn't anyone interested in OUR comeback player of the year who is stealing 21 million a year from the Yanks while there are 4 suitors for Manny?
Trades happen; sometime with a lot of creativity, guile, whatever. We can't keep pretending that it's all about Wang, Duncan, Cano and Hughes.
The fact is you and I dont know what is going on and to place judgement doesn't really make sense when you dont have all the information.
jnewmark
12-07-05, 04:24 PM
I would have to guess that Cashman IS trying to get creative in trades, but I fear the stonewall he is coming up against time after time is Cano, Wang, etc. That's why I think nothing will get done this week.
What specific players do you want him to acquire?
As a GM, he is supposed to see deals that we don't.
Personally I would like him to talk to the Cubs, Pirates and Nationals about fairly cheap guys like Hairston, Church, Byrd, Mackowiak and Gerut. I have heard that the Yanks are asking about Julian Tavarez and if that is the case I would hope to hear about a signing before we get stuck in another bidding war. I don't claim to have all the answers but I trust that Cashman is intelligent and cunning enough to put together an improved roster before the pieces become too few or too costly.
Dooley Womack
12-07-05, 04:24 PM
The fact is you and I dont know what is going on and to place judgement doesn't really make sense when you dont have all the information.
I see movement elesewhere
That's why he's getting paid a million or so bucks a year to be the GM and we're not. Some GM's are mover and shakers making all of us shake our heads and say "How the hell did he pull that off and steal Player X from team B didn't even need a player Y!"
It happens. We can't keep pretending that it's all about Wang, Duncan, Cano and Hughes.
It is all about Wang, Duncan, Cano, and Hughes because the Yankees don't have a slightly lesser version of those guys to deal instead. They don't have a Sanchez to offer instead of Lester. Cashman has nothing to do with the draft etc., so this is not a hand that Cashman dealt himself, it's just what he has to deal with.
In addition, sure, there are suitors for Manny. They hope they can get him for pennies on the dollar. Until the Red Sox actually make a good deal for him, your point seems a bit silly. If they dump him for crap, then are you going to praise them for 'getting a deal done'?
That's why he's getting paid a million or so bucks a year to be the GM and we're not. Some GM's are mover and shakers making all of us shake our heads and say "How the hell did he pull that off and steal Player X from team B didn't even need a player Y!" Why isn't anyone interested in OUR comeback player of the year stealing 21 million a year from the Yanks while there are 4 suitors for Manny?
It happens. We can't keep pretending that it's all about Wang, Duncan, Cano and Hughes.
All of the GMs get paid to make good deals, so that would imply they are also paid to be on guard against bad deals. Why would Cashman be able to override that?
If you are referring to elements of the Marlins' firesale-
A) the Red Sox gave up Ramirez and Sanchez for Beckett, prospects that are thought to be on par value-wise with Wang, Cano, Duncan, and Hughes. If we gave up 2 of the above we'd have Beckett
B) We didn't need Delgado
C) Cano for Pierre is not a good idea, and it sounds like we worked hard to try and lower that price
Giambi just had one very good season after 1 awful season and steroids. Ramirez has had 10 amazing seasons in a row. Giambi has tons of injury problems (knees and back are the worst kind too). Ramirez has sanity problems but they never seem to stop him from playing. I think I see why Ramirez is a more valued commodity. Plus he has DEMANDED a trade, which means suitors will appear.
I see movement elesewhere
For pieces that the Yankees don't need or want to pay the price for, sure.
Ghost of Dan Pasqua
12-07-05, 04:35 PM
What antsiness from George? It' s hardly a coincidence that the Farnsworth deal and the Gordon deal went down in parrallel. There was no doubt that the Yankees were going to sign a reliever, so they did so at the pace of the market. The kind of guys the Yankees are looking at for CF are all still out there - Wilkerson, Church, Michaels, Jones, Encarnacion, and yes, even Damon. The market has not created the same level of urgency.
As for waiting for the Winter Meetings, who said that the team was going to change this week? I seem to recall saying that the Yankees would likely be patient until after December 20th and then see which arb eligible players were non-tendered. Even in terms of free agents, today's arb deadline will change the market.
Excellent point. This isn't sudden inactivity by the Yankees. They started this path last year, when they brought up Wang and Cano with success, and even Melky and Henn without success. Even last year, Cashman would not be drawn into making deals from a position of weakness. He became a "garbage collector" of sorts, picking on the DFA scrap heap to get Leiter, Nomo, Embree, Bellhorn, etc. And now he's not getting lured into making deals just to keep up with the Mets, Red Sox, and Blue Jays. If we are reading reports that Jason friggin Michaels costs Wang, I'm not making those deals either. Essentially, Cashman is going to monitor what is going on, let the market come to him. Is it frustrating for fans to see other things, I suppose, but it's for the better of the team. The next thing we as fans have to be prepped for will be the media onslaught of lumping the Yankees in the "losers" column for their offseason winners and losers things that they do. Those things are the biggest loads of crap ever. If you make moves, they mark you as a winner because you gave them something to write about. If you don't, then you are a loser. It's the Mike Mussina media rule: "you don't talk to me and give me a story, I'm calling you moody". Personally, I think that they might be more in on the Nomar and Damon things than are being let on. Both make sense for the Yankees...at the right price in terms of years and money. If the market doesn't go out of control for them, then the Yankees will probably swoop in on them both. But if some team steps up to create a bidding war, the Yankees will bow out. It's almost as if Cashman is one of those ebay lurkers, waiting until that bid time is almost up and if the price is right, swooping in. At this point, there is more time on that ebay meter, no sense jumping in.
ryanthe13th
12-07-05, 04:41 PM
If Nomar approached the Yankees with willingness to be used as a multi-position player, why haven't we started serious negotiating with him?
As a GM, he is supposed to see deals that we don't.
Personally I would like him to talk to the Cubs, Pirates and Nationals about fairly cheap guys like Hairston, Church, Byrd, Mackowiak and Gerut. I have heard that the Yanks are asking about Julian Tavarez and if that is the case I would hope to hear about a signing before we get stuck in another bidding war. I don't claim to have all the answers but I trust that Cashman is intelligent and cunning enough to put together an improved roster before the pieces become too few or too costly.
Gerut can't even play a corner outfield spot well, let alone center. His rookie season seems like an extreme anomaly with the bat. Mackhowiak is also a poor defender who is below average with the bat. They are not good players and frankly don't represent any significant kind of overall upgrade versus what they already have.
Hendry views Hairston as his starting 2B and has no desire to trade him cheap.
The Yankees already have talked to the Nats about Church and Byrd. Course, there's no reason to push the Byrd button too hard until after December 20th.
I know these things. You're assuming that Cashman doesn't?
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