View Full Version : Expectations for Giambi in 2006 Season
MooseCaLLinTheBronx
11-30-05, 07:16 PM
Hello friends, this is my first thread on Nyyfans.com, I mostly like to read and take in others' opinions.
My thread concerns Jason Giambi, who all year still drew the walks and high OBP but only came around to hitting homeruns and for a decent average in the second half of the year.
My question is, does Giambi continue to show inconsistency or has he gotten his stroke back?
In my opinion, the whole deal with Giambi was never a physical issue the season after his health problems. Instead, it was a matter of confidence. Now that he has gotten this confidence back, I expect him to continue the good hitting. Your thoughts?
My prediction: 32 hrs, 91 rbi, .288/.420/.545
Thanks and Go YANKS!
Stryder2929
11-30-05, 07:21 PM
he will exceed 35hrs .270 BA/.453OBP/.580SLG and 100+ rbis
i fully expect him to be a great force in the middle of our lineup. Provided his health holds up of course.
Nice topic :gulp:
My prediction: 30 hrs, 110 rbi, .305/.450/.565
40 hrs 120 rbi .300/.440/.560
AMYanks
11-30-05, 07:32 PM
35-120 .280 / .430 / .550
CaptainThurman
11-30-05, 07:36 PM
I was hoping he would have been traded to the White Sox for Rowand and two stud young pitchers, but I guess they wanted Thome instead.....
StaceyRosie
11-30-05, 07:37 PM
I was hoping he would have been traded to the White Sox for Rowand and two stud young pitchers, but I guess they wanted Thome instead.....
three words
NO TRADE CLAUSE
I predicted over 30 HRs last year so I'll say that again for 2006.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
11-30-05, 07:47 PM
I'm gonna go with .275, .430, .560, 35 homers, 90 rbi
WebsterMulligan
11-30-05, 07:48 PM
30 HR, 105 RBI .295/.415/.535
JavyVazquezIsSick
11-30-05, 07:49 PM
25-30 HRs, OPS in the low .900. His season will depend on if he can stay healthy IMO, and I don't think he will...
It'd be fair to extrapolate the 2005 numbers over 150 games, 135 to be safe.
I would expect slightly lower BA and OBP, maybe slightly higher SLG.
rightfielder21
11-30-05, 07:50 PM
He will be a beast...
mentalgidget
11-30-05, 07:56 PM
my prediction?
paaaiiiinnn
Seamonk
11-30-05, 07:58 PM
Depends upon how strict the testing is....
:evil:
StaceyRosie
11-30-05, 07:59 PM
http://www.nomaas.org/images/giambicomeback2mw.jpg
In Mo I Trust
11-30-05, 08:02 PM
.287/.437/.579 38 HRs 114 RBI
stupidpunchline
11-30-05, 08:05 PM
my prediction?
paaaiiiinnn
beat me to it... damn
i predicted over thirty hrs last year, so i'll go with 37 this year 115 rbi's .295 ba, OPS in the 900's !!!
jbauer2485
11-30-05, 08:06 PM
.279 / .430 / .540 28 Hr
mentalgidget
11-30-05, 08:08 PM
beat me to it... damn
hahaha... based on your handle, it would appear that i beat you to the very thing that you seem to pride yourself on! ;)
NewEraYanks2527
11-30-05, 08:11 PM
Jason Giambi's 2006 MVP season will be as follows:
BA .316 HR 42 RBI 126 with many many clutch hits as well as many scoops at first that will save throwing errors by Cano, Jeter, A-Rod and the pitching staff. Sure maybe I'm a little over optimistic but because of what he came from last year to put up the numbers he did, I dont think it is unreasonable that he will have a stellar year.
I Love Wang
11-30-05, 08:29 PM
.340/.485/.690
50 home runs
150 RBI
NewEraYanks2527
11-30-05, 08:32 PM
.340/.485/.690
50 home runs
150 RBI
Wow, I like that one better.
ericns1
11-30-05, 08:45 PM
Good topic - 30-35 hrs, 110 RBIs and .285 average - hopefully a bit better in the field
jimmyclark
11-30-05, 08:52 PM
I had predicted .230 BA with 12 HR for the 2005 season and look how wrong that was. So I will sit this one out. I have been skeptical about muscled big shouldered sluggers to have long careers (Foxx, Kluzewski, Luzinski, Powell, etc) but maybe Giambi will be an exception. He still has some 3 years $60million left in his contract.
I was hoping he would have been traded to the White Sox for Rowand and two stud young pitchers, but I guess they wanted Thome instead.....
This is a good time to try and convince him to waiver the no trade clause and trade him to a West Coast team that needs him. His value is high and it gives the Yankees some flexibility to move Sheffield into a DH slot. The cfer and 2 pitching prospects is a great idea.
MooseCaLLinTheBronx
11-30-05, 09:02 PM
And who would play first? A relatively unseasoned Andy Phillips?
Shaun4013
11-30-05, 09:09 PM
Check the signature.
33 HRs, 137 RBI, .304 .438 .612
AKA pwns the AL.
heres my stab at it
38, 110, 305, 450, 550
I'd say 32-35 HR's
90-95 RBI's
rightfielder21
11-30-05, 10:04 PM
This is a good time to try and convince him to waiver the no trade clause and trade him to a West Coast team that needs him. His value is high and it gives the Yankees some flexibility to move Sheffield into a DH slot. The cfer and 2 pitching prospects is a great idea.
And who would they be?
brosiusbuddy
11-30-05, 10:09 PM
.286 batting avg, 107 homers, 324 rbies, .602 opb, and oh yeah, will once again lead the league in sticking his tongue out in the corners of his mouth
MattUNC2003
11-30-05, 10:12 PM
I am thinking .280-.290 BA, 25-30 HR, 90-100 RBI, and his usual .400+ OBP. Basically, if he has a year next year like he had in the second half of this year, I'll be pretty darn happy.
jetermoose27
11-30-05, 10:27 PM
.286 batting avg, 107 homers, 324 rbies, .602 opb, and oh yeah, will once again lead the league in sticking his tongue out in the corners of his mouth
:eek: Imagine if that really happend.
Good topic.
I predict- .285-.300 average, 36Homers, 100rbis, and OBP thats virtually out of this world and he'll lead al of history with the most walks in one season- why? Cuz he;ll become such a seriosu force, they'll have to walk him.
StatenIslandYankee
11-30-05, 10:29 PM
38 HR's
.298 AVG
.437 OBP
.570 SLG
105 RBI's
yanksphan
11-30-05, 10:41 PM
He and A-Rod duke it out for MVP honors all season.
Stupid Flanders
11-30-05, 10:43 PM
http://www.nomaas.org/images/giambicomeback2mw.jpg
lmao
.288/.453/.549
surge511
11-30-05, 10:45 PM
.277 BA, 33 HR, 116 RBI's, .443 OBP .570 SLG
He will be a monster, but he won't hit 14 HR's every month. Still, if he can stay healthy for the most part, he will be an absolute force in the middle of the lineup.
JeffWeaverFan
11-30-05, 10:52 PM
Honestly, I have no idea. I'm looking at his numbers last year and amazingly, he had arguably his best season with the Yankees (if you don't consider that he played in less games last year than he did in 2002). That's just incredible given his start.
I wonder now that he's off the steroids and not partying every night and working out all the time, if it is actually making him a better player. If so, then we could be in for a special season.
But, the fact is that he will be 35 next year so he should start to decline right about now anyways. He'll still draw the walks though.
.270/.430/.520 sounds about reasonable, with 33 HR's.
JeffWeaverFan
11-30-05, 10:53 PM
By the way, he is one of the best big game players I've ever seen. It doesn't always contribute to wins, but he always does the best he can. I still remember his game 5 in 2001 against us. Nobody for them hit except him, who I believe went 4-4. He has continually done that in huge games.
WebsterMulligan
11-30-05, 11:13 PM
.340/.485/.690
50 home runs
150 RBI
:jaw-drop:
:roflmao:
Flatten78
11-30-05, 11:19 PM
I was hoping he would have been traded to the White Sox for Rowand and two stud young pitchers, but I guess they wanted Thome instead.....
if im not mistaken he has a no trade clause, n i dont think he would leave, plus the chisox would want us to pick up too much of his contract. wouldnt have happened.
GIAMBINO
.295 AVG/ 100+ RBI/ 35 HR/ .400 OBP
more than acceptable season!! especially from a 5,6 hitter.
he will hit .295 with 120 walks 42 homeruns and 120 rbi. hes back and hes learned he doesnt need any help. he can do it all himself.
JeffWeaverFan
11-30-05, 11:29 PM
more than acceptable season!! especially from a 5,6 hitter.
5 or 6 hitter? He'll be either our 3 or 4 hitter as he should be.
flymick24
11-30-05, 11:30 PM
i don't think he'll hit for average ever again, but he'll bash 40 HRs without a doubt and drive in 100.
yankees76
11-30-05, 11:34 PM
i don't think he'll hit for average ever again, but he'll bash 40 HRs without a doubt and drive in 100.
Agreed. 42 HRs/111 RBIs; .291/.409/.572
Agreed. 42 HRs/111 RBIs; .291/.409/.572
You think he is going to go up 20 points in average but go down 40 points in obp?
Sheff_Rod
12-01-05, 03:28 AM
I predict Jason Giambi to be Jason Giambi.
(This prediction was brought to you in part by the number 2006 and the letters M, V and P)
http://www.nomaas.org/images/giambicomeback2mw.jpg
"I'm going to PUMP - YOU UP!"
StaceyRosie
12-01-05, 07:08 AM
By the way, he is one of the best big game players I've ever seen. It doesn't always contribute to wins, but he always does the best he can. I still remember his game 5 in 2001 against us. Nobody for them hit except him, who I believe went 4-4. He has continually done that in huge games.
Yes he did. I was there and yelling at him to stop hitting the ball :lol:
Babe Rules
12-01-05, 07:15 AM
.294/.437/.563, 34 Hr, 109 Rbi
Martini6196
12-01-05, 07:25 AM
It's funny this topic came up this morning because I got laughed out of the lunch room in my office yesterday when I said Giambi would be in the running for 2006 AL MVP.
My Prediction is:
36 HR
115 RBI
289 BA
.430 OBP
.565 SLG
.995 OPS
AL OBP Leader
AL Walk Leader
silverdsl
12-01-05, 08:14 AM
I think Giambi is going to be solid for the Yankees next season but I'm not sure at 35 he's going to be an MVP candidate. A lot depends on his health - even this season it seemed like there were occassional tweaks and pains that might have effected him here and there. I'd guess .275 BA/30-35 HR/105 RBI.
-Deborah
BillBuckner
12-01-05, 08:43 AM
.290 32 HRs 105 RBIs for my favorite Yankee.
Let's see....
.287, .420, .580
33HRs, 117RBIs
1SB
Soriambi
12-01-05, 09:16 AM
If he's healthy, I think that Giambi will have an excellent year, and will be a critical part of the Yankees lineup. I wouldn't be surprised by something like .300/.430/.575 with 35 HR or so. I think he'll be a bit streaky, but I think that at the end of the season, he'll have incredible numbers.
MassNYYfan
12-01-05, 09:44 AM
Broken records for:
Batting Average
On Base %
Slugging %
Home Runs
Runs Batted In
Runs Scored
Walks
Hits
Intentional Walks
Doubles
And...a 66 game hitting streak.
Broken records for:
Batting Average
On Base %
Slugging %
Home Runs
Runs Batted In
Runs Scored
Walks
Hits
Intentional Walks
Doubles
And...a 66 game hitting streak.I could agree with everything except intentional walks... no one's breaking that record.
MassNYYfan
12-01-05, 10:16 AM
I could agree with everything except intentional walks... no one's breaking that record.
Boooo!
diehardyanksfan26
12-01-05, 10:21 AM
.295, 38 Hr, 110 Rbi
JfromJersey
12-01-05, 12:22 PM
Average about the same, with more HR and RBI.
Yankees13
12-01-05, 12:44 PM
I think Giambi is going to be solid for the Yankees next season but I'm not sure at 35 he's going to be an MVP candidate. A lot depends on his health - even this season it seemed like there were occassional tweaks and pains that might have effected him here and there. I'd guess .275 BA/30-35 HR/105 RBI.
-Deborah
I have to agree, people seem a bit taken in by his amazing resurgence in the second half of last year, and they're forgetting that's he 35 years old with various recent health issues. 35 year old players who are big guys with injury problems can decline alarmingly fast. I'll be optimistic and say 270/425/530 27 homers and 90 RBIs.
Mr. Mxylsplk
12-01-05, 12:50 PM
I have to agree, people seem a bit taken in by his amazing resurgence in the second half of last year, and they're forgetting that's he 35 years old with various recent health issues. 35 year old players who are big guys with injury problems can decline alarmingly fast. I'll be optimistic and say 270/425/530 27 homers and 90 RBIs.
I tend to agree. I think he'll walk and ton and have good power (I think he'll probably top your HR and rbi numbers by a bit), but I really don't see him putting up a .290 or .300 average like many are suggesting.
Smithers
12-01-05, 12:51 PM
I could agree with everything except intentional walks... no one's breaking that record.
jimmy rollins says hi.
JeterRodriguezSheff
12-01-05, 01:42 PM
im saying .290/.440/.550 35 homers
With Giambi it all comes to health...his talent is still his eyes, so barring health issues, he's a prime candidate to still be a force at the plate at ages 34-35-36. If he's healthy for at least 80% of the season, he'll post MVP type numbers, probably a .280 BA with a .950+ OPS. The key for him will not be that big injury that keeps him out half the year, it'll be those little injuries that slowed him down even when he recovered last year, like the back and elbow injuries. The less of those he has, the bigger the season he'll have.
RhodeyYankee2638
12-02-05, 07:39 PM
Realistically probably around .260/.390/.430 with around 20-30 Hr's
Hopefully, .330/.440/.600
StaceyRosie
12-02-05, 08:58 PM
My expectation for 2006 is that Jason will make the same people who looked like fools last year, look like fools again with their silly predictions of doom and gloom.
iceman24
12-02-05, 08:58 PM
Now that he has figured out his problems with his swing. I think he can be a 40 hr 110 rbi guy with his usual OBP high 400
enterthesandman
12-02-05, 11:37 PM
I'm hoping he goes full out Giambi...
.315 avg, .432 OBP, .570 SLG%, 40 HRs, 115 RBIs, 2 SB (:D)
mickey mantle
12-03-05, 01:57 AM
Hello friends, this is my first thread on Nyyfans.com, I mostly like to read and take in others' opinions.
My thread concerns Jason Giambi, who all year still drew the walks and high OBP but only came around to hitting homeruns and for a decent average in the second half of the year.
My question is, does Giambi continue to show inconsistency or has he gotten his stroke back?
In my opinion, the whole deal with Giambi was never a physical issue the season after his health problems. Instead, it was a matter of confidence. Now that he has gotten this confidence back, I expect him to continue the good hitting. Your thoughts?
My prediction: 32 hrs, 91 rbi, .288/.420/.545
Thanks and Go YANKS!
i was wondering about giambi's 2006 season as well. Will he continue progressing into the 2006 season? i think so. i think he will end up with more than 32 home runs, im thinking closer to 40. also, i agree, think hell knock in around 91 rbi's maybe a little more. .288 seems reasonable, i doubt hell hit for average the way he used to. his OBP will be solid without a doubt. i feel confident with giambi in 06 and hope he has a great season, most likely hitting in the 3 hole for us.
marcus51
12-03-05, 10:45 AM
It is reasonable to think he will hit well, but personally, I wouldn't mind if he never palyed the field ever again for the Yankees.
Problem is, his offensive numbers as DH have been well below those when he plays the field.
38Special
12-03-05, 10:54 AM
.260/.400/.460
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
12-03-05, 10:56 AM
I don't think he will be better than last year. He's 35, and I think an MVP caliber season is out of reach. That said, if he gives us what he did last year then that's more than cool with me. But he's gotta stay healthy and not kill us in the field, because it doesn't seem like he's going to get the hang of hitting well as a DH.
indianyanksfan
12-05-05, 05:28 PM
he was great in division series and he has his confidence back.
i think he'll have around a .280 avg but his homers and rbi's will be up.
It is reasonable to think he will hit well, but personally, I wouldn't mind if he never palyed the field ever again for the Yankees.
Problem is, his offensive numbers as DH have been well below those when he plays the field.
People need to quit acting like whenever Giambi plays the field he gives us an L.
Yankees1962
12-31-05, 05:36 PM
People need to quit acting like whenever Giambi plays the field he gives us an L.
Not only that, but when Giambi started hitting last year, his performance as a fielder improved. As the season went on, he seem to move better and with quicker reactions at 1st.
Dooley Womack
12-31-05, 05:53 PM
Defensively - none.
Health- 50-50.
Hitting - In retrospect, did some of us get too giddy given that he put up most of his numbers in 2 1/2 months, with one awesome month? The rest of the time he was flat-out awful, either striking out (109) or walking (108).
As he gets older/breaks down/exposes even more flaws, does anyone expect him to continue to be a base on balls machine as more pitchers go at him and dare him to hit anything in the strike zone?
The Yanks and their fans have to face the stark reality that not having a proven commodity to back him up will be extremely risky. This is a key area Cashman will hopefully address. He's already expressed his doubts with Giambi by going after Nomar, probably for mostly 1st base duties. I hope he has a back-up plan for Phillips.
Defensively - none.
Health- 50-50.
Hitting - In retrospect, did some of us get too giddy given he put up most of his numbers in 2 1/2 months, with one awesome month? The rest of the time he was flat-out awful, either striking out (109) or walking (108).
As he gets older/breaks down/exposes even more flaws, does anyone expect him to continue to be a base on balls machine as more pitchers go at him and dare him to hit anything in the strike zone?
The Yanks and their fans have to face the stark reality that not having a proven commodity to back him up will be extremely risky. This is a key area Cashman will hopefully address. He's already expressed his doubts with Giambi by going after Nomar, probably for mostly 1st base duties. I hope he has a back-up plan for Phillips.
Heh ..
bagger015
12-31-05, 06:00 PM
No Expectations............I just want him to do his job to the best of his ability........
AlongCameAPrincess
12-31-05, 06:02 PM
I have high expectations for Giambi but that's just because he's my favorite player. I'm expecting solid .280's overall.
Dooley Womack
12-31-05, 06:03 PM
Heh ..
John, take a look at his 2005 splits. Other than July (or June, BA-wise in 58 AB's), it's downright scary, considering the player he once was. There is an obvious decline. Even in Aug and Sept, when he put up some homers, his average went south.
If he is indeed in decline, is it unreasonable to suspect that more pitchers will give him pitches to hit, lowering his walks, hence a lower OBP?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=5386&type=batting&year=2005
He will definately get on base. Even when the hitting declines, guys like Giambi continue to draw walks. I'd be happy with .275 BA, .410 OBP, .575 SLG. That should get him 100 RBIs considering the OBP machines batting in front of him.
John, take a look at his 2005 splits. Other than July (or June, BA-wise in 58 AB's), it's downright scary, considering the player he once was. There is an obvious decline. Even in Aug and Sept, when he put up some homers, his average went south.
If he is indeed in decline, is it unreasonable to suspect that more pitchers will give him pitches to hit, lowering his walks, hence a lower OBP?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=5386&type=batting&year=2005
Heh ..
Dooley Womack
12-31-05, 06:13 PM
Heh ..
:lol: Oh come on!
My point is that the Yanks cannot rely on Giambi to give them 150 games, given his recent health issues, and if he does play the whole year, we cannot reasonably expect Giambi to give us a consistent 7 months of baseball when he hasn't done that in a while. Do you not think steroids took their toll on him some, as they have other players? I give him some credit for working hard, but it is what it is.
Iknowcool
12-31-05, 06:35 PM
According to PrOPs, a statistic projection system that uses a players line drive percentage, groundball-flyball ration, HR rate, etc. in any given year to estimate what a players AVG, SLG, and OBP should have been in that given year, Giambi should have hit...
.311 AVG, .478 OBP, .615 slg..
in 2005.
So I will predict those numbers for 2006.
AMYanks
12-31-05, 06:46 PM
According to PrOPs, a statistic projection system that uses a players line drive percentage, groundball-flyball ration, HR rate, etc. in any given year to estimate what a players AVG, SLG, and OBP should have been in that given year, Giambi should have hit...
.311 AVG, .478 OBP, .615 slg..
in 2005.
So I will predict those numbers for 2006.
Giambi gets hurt by the shift, which that system doesn't factor in to its predictions (line drive percentage is one example.) So I don't think his numbers should have been that good, considering that.
I dont expect you to talk, I expect you to die, Mr Bond
YankeePride1967
12-31-05, 07:01 PM
:lol: Oh come on!
My point is that the Yanks cannot rely on Giambi to give them 150 games, given his recent health issues, and if he does play the whole year, we cannot reasonably expect Giambi to give us a consistent 7 months of baseball when he hasn't done that in a while. Do you not think steroids took their toll on him some, as they have other players? I give him some credit for working hard, but it is what it is.
D'oh!!!!
hellonewman
12-31-05, 07:18 PM
.935 OPS.
I dont expect you to talk, I expect you to die, Mr BondChoose your next witticism carefully, 007. It may be your last.
The real question is, who is this dick Michael Connolly? :lol:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/giambja01.shtml
AMYanks
12-31-05, 07:23 PM
The real question is, who is this dick Michael Connolly? :lol:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/giambja01.shtml
I?m no?t sur?e.
StaceyRosie
12-31-05, 07:40 PM
My expectations are that he is going to shut people up once and for all.
Clowns.
According to PrOPs, a statistic projection system that uses a players line drive percentage, groundball-flyball ration, HR rate, etc. in any given year to estimate what a players AVG, SLG, and OBP should have been in that given year, Giambi should have hit...
.311 AVG, .478 OBP, .615 slg..
in 2005.
So I will predict those numbers for 2006.
That'll do fine -- bunch of standup RBI doubles to left center, a few timely homeruns to right. He's an awesome hitter to behold when he's in the groove.
Cold Shad
12-31-05, 09:04 PM
Ithink there will be a few players who will be affected by the amphetamine ban. i think Jason will be one of them.
obsessedyankeefan
12-31-05, 09:13 PM
.300 avg
30 hr
105 rbi
.420 obp
Nuke LaLoosh
12-31-05, 11:25 PM
Happy New Year!!! 27 in '06
GiambiNYY25Fan
01-01-06, 11:16 AM
I think the key is to let Giambi get his time at first base, if he can get his stroke going the first month, he will be in for a great season I think.
Evil Empire
01-01-06, 11:18 AM
Ithink there will be a few players who will be affected by the amphetamine ban. i think Jason will be one of them.
Care to explain?
Care to explain?
i get the feeling this explanation could be a belated christmas gift!!!
Dynasties R Forever
01-01-06, 11:45 AM
:lol: Oh come on!
My point is that the Yanks cannot rely on Giambi to give them 150 games, given his recent health issues, and if he does play the whole year, we cannot reasonably expect Giambi to give us a consistent 7 months of baseball when he hasn't done that in a while. Do you not think steroids took their toll on him some, as they have other players? I give him some credit for working hard, but it is what it is.
I predict third "Heh" coming, and will be greatly diappointed if it does not. :D
Saxmania
01-01-06, 12:26 PM
I have to admit to concerns that Giambi will regress a little, if only because he improved so dramatically in mid-2005 that some reversion to the mean might be the only likely path for him. I still think he'll retain an excellent OBP, since his reputation will be more fearsome in 2006 than it was in 2005, but I wouldn't be surprised to see his power numbers go down a little. He is getting older, after all - turning 35 next week.
I'll say that after another slow start he'll hit .275/.420/.520, which would be fine by me.
Be seeing you,
Saxmania
SoCal Pinstriper
01-01-06, 12:35 PM
I'll say that after another slow start he'll hit .275/.420/.520, which would be fine by me.
I'd be really happy with those numbers if they come with 150+ games played (and I see no reason to anticipate less).
Saxmania
01-01-06, 12:40 PM
I'd be really happy with those numbers if they come with 150+ games played (and I see no reason to anticipate less).
Good point. I tend to shy away from predicting injury time for most players because they're so unpredictable by nature, but I agree that Giambi has no obvious reason to miss significant time next year that doesn't apply to many other players out there.
Be seeing you,
Saxmania
MassNYYfan
01-01-06, 12:49 PM
65 homers hit with 1 hand and his eyes closed.
yankeebot
01-01-06, 12:53 PM
I am a bit curious to hear how much Jason is working out over the winter. He has not had a "normal" off-season in quite some time so it would be interesting to know his approach.
.271/.440/.535 w/ 32 HR and 87 RBI ;)
JfromJersey
01-01-06, 01:06 PM
Having his buddy Damon on the team is going to help Giambi. I won't predict numbers, but Jason will have a monster offensive year, provided he stays relatively healthy, and doesn't become the primary DH.
Having his buddy Damon on the team is going to help Giambi. I won't predict numbers, but Jason will have a monster offensive year, provided he stays relatively healthy, and doesn't become the primary DH.
Good point. Jason is the one potential DH on the Yankees who does significantly worse when he's the DH. His offensive production when at 1B is worth the terrible fielding.
destiNY
01-01-06, 01:44 PM
Hello friends, this is my first thread on Nyyfans.com, I mostly like to read and take in others' opinions.
My thread concerns Jason Giambi, who all year still drew the walks and high OBP but only came around to hitting homeruns and for a decent average in the second half of the year.
My question is, does Giambi continue to show inconsistency or has he gotten his stroke back?
In my opinion, the whole deal with Giambi was never a physical issue the season after his health problems. Instead, it was a matter of confidence. Now that he has gotten this confidence back, I expect him to continue the good hitting. Your thoughts?
My prediction: 32 hrs, 91 rbi, .288/.420/.545
Thanks and Go YANKS!
Very high
I fully expect 30+ hrs, 100+ RBIs, .400+ OBP
Good first thread. :)
I'll throw my hand in...
.269/.427/.901
31 HR, 91 RBI's
Here's hoping that he isn't in the middle of the order.
I'll throw my hand in...
.269/.427/.901
31 HR, 91 RBI's
Here's hoping that he isn't in the middle of the order.
So you predict that he smashes the record for slugging percentage, but you don't want him hitting in the middle of the order.... :-ponder-:
Paul O'Neill Forever
01-01-06, 05:13 PM
Call me crazy but i expect
.320
40
130
i expect a monster year from Giambi.
Cold Shad
01-01-06, 05:31 PM
Care to explain?
I don't think he will be able to hit the clubs as much as he has in the past.
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-01-06, 05:58 PM
So you predict that he smashes the record for slugging percentage, but you don't want him hitting in the middle of the order.... :-ponder-:
.901 is probably the OPS...
vegematarian
01-01-06, 06:07 PM
I hate making predictions but it may be fun to go back and look at this in a year or so.
My prediction: 28 hrs, 105 rbi, .280/.422/.550
Evil Empire
01-01-06, 06:09 PM
I don't think he will be able to hit the clubs as much as he has in the past.
And what does your reference to amphetamine ban have to do with that?
Wang's Groundballs
01-01-06, 06:20 PM
.280/.450/.575
I think he's going to start off right where he left off last year. He was already one of my favorite players before last season and the way he battled back has only solidified my opinion of him. I'm hoping he has another MVP caliber year in 2006.
Meh, he's nothing special.
SINCE77 2
01-01-06, 06:58 PM
Good point. Jason is the one potential DH on the Yankees who does significantly worse when he's the DH. His offensive production when at 1B is worth the terrible fielding.
He needs to learn how to hit from the DH hole. His production isn't that stupendous that it merits a free pass for his defense. I wouldn't care if the knock on his defense was a lack of range, but his problem is that he can't throw. If a 1B can't get the ball to 2B or home plate, then he needs to DH 4-5 games per week.
StaceyRosie
01-01-06, 07:07 PM
He needs to learn how to hit from the DH hole. His production isn't that stupendous that it merits a free pass for his defense. I wouldn't care if the knock on his defense was a lack of range, but his problem is that he can't throw. If a 1B can't get the ball to 2B or home plate, then he needs to DH 4-5 games per week.
He can throw to second. He can't throw to home.
Dooley Womack
01-01-06, 07:50 PM
He can throw to second. He can't throw to home.
Stats to back that statement?
CTSoxFan
01-01-06, 08:10 PM
Since Giambi is on the wrong side of 34, I'll take a few points off his career averages and project him at .280/.390/.520.
Which, frankly, still impresses the hell out of me if he does it, given the depths to which he had fallen.
NYYBombshell
01-01-06, 08:29 PM
I expect him to be productive and help us attain our overall goal of bringing championship #27 back to the Bronx.
Since Giambi is on the wrong side of 34, I'll take a few points off his career averages and project him at .280/.390/.520.
Which, frankly, still impresses the hell out of me if he does it, given the depths to which he had fallen.
You expect his OBP to drop by 50 points?
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-01-06, 08:49 PM
You expect his OBP to drop by 50 points?
:confused: He expects his OBP to be .390 and to slug .520...
JfromJersey
01-01-06, 11:29 PM
:confused: He expects his OBP to be .390 and to slug .520...
He expects him to hit for a higher average with a lower OBP. Considering the fact that Giambi has maybe the best eye for the zone on the Yankees, I don't buy it. If his OBP drops below .400, I don't think he will have a good year at all, because in 2003, when he hit about .250, his OBP was still well over .400.
Health will be the determining factor of course as to the kind of year Jason has.
grabick_luca
01-02-06, 01:13 AM
270 avg, 28 bombs, 105 rbi, 420 OBP
Stupid Flanders
01-02-06, 01:27 AM
I think Giambi will be better in 2006 than he was in 2005
:lol: Oh come on!
My point is that the Yanks cannot rely on Giambi to give them 150 games, given his recent health issues, and if he does play the whole year, we cannot reasonably expect Giambi to give us a consistent 7 months of baseball when he hasn't done that in a while. Do you not think steroids took their toll on him some, as they have other players? I give him some credit for working hard, but it is what it is.
Heh ..
I predict third "Heh" coming, and will be greatly diappointed if it does not. :D
I didn't plan to respond to that one, but I didn't want to disappoint.
aeromac76
01-02-06, 07:01 AM
I think most people have it close here.
I don't see an MVP year coming, and in all liklihood we won't see it ever again from him. Which is too bad, but in this lineup he does not need to be an MVP.
I can see a BA in the high .200's/ low .300's. Lets say .290 just to have a number.
40 HR is a lot, let's say 35 to be conservative.
And yeah, I'll go around 90-100 RBI with a .400 OBP..
Which is fine with me..
Cold Shad
01-02-06, 08:13 AM
130 games... 272 avg 380 OBP 88 RBI 27 HR.
Screech
01-02-06, 10:36 AM
Al Mvp.
ring403
01-02-06, 10:45 AM
.275/.415/.525
shcabot
01-02-06, 11:07 AM
I'm guessing in the .290's with an OBP of around .430 (because of his uncanny ability to draw massive amounts of walks). Probably somewhere around 35 homeruns with hopefully more than 100 RBI's. That would be a great year to go along with the bats of A-Rod and Shef.
John, take a look at his 2005 splits. Other than July (or June, BA-wise in 58 AB's), it's downright scary, considering the player he once was. There is an obvious decline. Even in Aug and Sept, when he put up some homers, his average went south.
If he is indeed in decline, is it unreasonable to suspect that more pitchers will give him pitches to hit, lowering his walks, hence a lower OBP?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=5386&type=batting&year=2005
In August and September he was hampered by a sore elbow and creaky back, which is why his health will be the deciding factor. He snapped out of his funks right after he got the cortisone shot, and he said his elbow wasn't bothering him anymore.
And even with that being said, you can't call August and September bad months when he put up a .948 and .982 OPS. Hell, those are great months come to think of it, and its worth noting that after the terrible first two months, Giambi posted 4 straight .900+ OPS months (5 if you want to count October), so he was consistent as anybody, and was hardly a hot cold hitter. He was a hot/cold hitter if you measure him with his BA, which is a terrible way to measure him, or any hitter really .
EDIT: You know what's really impressive aboiut Giambi's last 4 months? He had the folllowing OBPs - .474, .524, .448, .439. Now thats what we call getting on base.
keithf1
01-02-06, 02:14 PM
I think the # of homers Giambi gets this year will tell the whole story. His OBP is a given at this point. If his stroke is there he will be hitting homers, he's too strong not to.
If Giambi hits 30+ homers, his year will be a huge success because this would have meant that he stayed relatively healthy.
If Giambi hits 30+ homers, his year will be a huge success. His OBP is a given at this point.
I think he showed two things over the last 4 months, the ability to still be the best OBP guy in baseball not named Bonds, and the ability to hit for power. With Giambi, BA is the least important stat because of the huge walk total with results in it being a terrible way to measure his ABs. BA is obviously a much more important stat to a Robinson Cano, since getting a hit is his primary way of getting on base.
Dooley Womack
01-02-06, 02:34 PM
In August and September he was hampered by a sore elbow and creaky back, which is why his health will be the deciding factor. He snapped out of his funks right after he got the cortisone shot, and he said his elbow wasn't bothering him anymore.
And even with that being said, you can't call August and September bad months when he put up a .948 and .982 OPS. Hell, those are great months come to think of it, and its worth noting that after the terrible first two months, Giambi posted 4 straight .900+ OPS months (5 if you want to count October), so he was consistent as anybody, and was hardly a hot cold hitter. He was a hot/cold hitter if you measure him with his BA, which is a terrible way to measure him, or any hitter really .
EDIT: You know what's really impressive aboiut Giambi's last 4 months? He had the folllowing OBPs - .474, .524, .448, .439. Now thats what we call getting on base.
I think you answered some of my concerns as well, though I'm not sure it was intended.
Health/age/pattern of illnesses and injury are my biggest concerns. Without all of the above, he's reduced to either striking out or walking. As you said, these constant nagging injuries (which he seems to regularly get the past 3 years, PLUS steroid usage/withdrawal) reduced his power numbers at year's end. BA is in fact important when you state that his OBP was high in spite of a low BA. What's that tell us? That he's getting on base via walks.
Do we really want to depend on Giambi getting on base this way? IF....big "IF" he is hampered by injury or shows any further decline, do you not think that the pitchers will work him in the strike zone instead of pitching around the plate? IF that happens, and he has no pop due to injury/decline, he'll be rendered useless. This is not out of the realm of possibilities considering who we're talking about.
BronxBaumer
01-02-06, 02:42 PM
Do we really want to depend on Giambi getting on base this way? IF....big "IF" he is hampered by injury or shows any further decline, do you not think that the pitchers will work him in the strike zone instead of pitching around the plate? IF that happens, and he has no pop due to injury/decline, he'll be rendered useless. This is not out of the realm of possibilities considering who we're talking about.
Giambi has shown a lot of improvement in his ability to adjust. He's shown that if he has the ability to lay a ground ball down the left side when the shift is on.
Further, if they are willign to work him more in the strike zone, it gives him more opportunties to swing at good pitches.
Dooley Womack
01-02-06, 02:44 PM
Giambi has shown a lot of improvement in his ability to adjust. He's shown that if he has the ability to lay a ground ball down the left side when the shift is on.
Further, if they are willign to work him more in the strike zone, it gives him more opportunties to swing at good pitches.
In all honesty, how many times have you seen him hit to the left side with the shift on, at least get a hit? I can remember ONCE last year, and the announcers (and fans here) were surprised and giddy. Another time he bunted. We even joked about it here.
BronxBaumer
01-02-06, 02:46 PM
Wishful thinking? Quite honestly, if he's producing .900+ OPS, I don't care if its because of walks and homeruns or if its because of all around good average hitting. The point is, he will still be productive. When his slugging percentage starts to drop, thats when I will be fully concerned.
Last year, imo, was an important year for Giambi. I think that instead of working on hitting for average, he was trying to get his approach and swing back, both of which he seemed to acheive--the numbers show this quite well. But Xhibit is quite right, and as usual I will defer to his opinion, his numbers will remain tied completely to his health. Hopefully another year removed from his earlier activities will make for a healthier Giambi.
Dooley Womack
01-02-06, 02:53 PM
Wishful thinking? Quite honestly, if he's producing .900+ OPS, I don't care if its because of walks and homeruns or if its because of all around good average hitting. The point is, he will still be productive. When his slugging percentage starts to drop, thats when I will be fully concerned.
Last year, imo, was an important year for Giambi. I think that instead of working on hitting for average, he was trying to get his approach and swing back, both of which he seemed to acheive--the numbers show this quite well. But Xhibit is quite right, and as usual I will defer to his opinion, his numbers will remain tied completely to his health. Hopefully another year removed from his earlier activities will make for a healthier Giambi.
If he stays healthy, I wouldn't be surprised with 30+ homers, 100+ ribbies, and an OBP bordering arouund .400. But he's not someone who you can easily pencil in numbers for, like A-Rod (approx .300/40/120/.400), and have any guaranties that he'll reach them, like you would A-Rod or Jeter. I, for one, wouldn't bet my house on him. Sadly, those days are seemigly gone with Giambi, where we'd know what we'd get before the season started. Now we only "hope" he's back to some semblance of his old form.
Hence, my point is that it's risky to rely on him without a good back-up plan (which isn't Phillips, IMO).
I think you answered some of my concerns as well, though I'm not sure it was intended.
Health/age/pattern of illnesses and injury are my biggest concerns. Without all of the above, he's reduced to either striking out or walking. As you said, these constant nagging injuries (which he seems to regularly have the past 3 years) reduced his power numbers at year's end. BA is in fact important when you state that his OBP was high in spite of a low BA. What's that tell us? That he's getting on base via walks.
Do we really want to depend on Giambi getting on base this way? IF....big "IF" he is hampered by injury or shows any further decline, do you not think that the pitchers will work him in the strike zone instead of pitching around the plate? IF that happens, and he has no pop due to injury/decline, he'll be rendered useless. This is not out of the realm of possibilities considering who we're talking about.
I understand the rationale of assuming that once Giambi can't hit, his walks go away and he will become useless. But people fail to realize that the walks are a given with Giambi, that while him being feared/respected as a hitter might help him get pitched around, the majority of those walks are because his impeccable ability to lay off close pitches, which pitchers throw to every ML hitter, even Womack. The day a pitcher is able to not dance around Giambi and just try to throw a fastball right down the pipe will be the day Giambi is not an MLer. He was not hitting for 2 months, and was coming off a terrible season the year before, but still got his walks. Giambi walks when he isn't hitting and he walks when he is hitting, albeit at probably a slightly reduced rate. But walks are a constant with him because he has the ability to lay off bad pitches, and that ability doesn't go away when he isn't hitting, so he'll still manage to get his share.
But the above scenario probably won't occur because Giambi's struggles the first two months this year and in '04 where related to his tumor, and the effects such as the dizzy spells and the recovery process. All other injuries, like his knee in '03 and the elbow, ankle, and back problems, have only limited Giambi's ability to hit for AVG but not his ability to be a productive hitter. He has shown that when he's banged up physically he still has an ability to a)hit for power, as he did for all of '03 and for August/Sept and b)maintain the OBP/walks. So I don't we have to worry about the scenario where Giambi becomes completely useless at the plate unless his tumor issues resurface ofcourse.
In all honesty, how many times have you seen him hit to the left side with the shift on, at least get a hit? I can remember ONCE last year, and the announcers (and fans here) were surprised and giddy. Another time he bunted. We even joked about it here.
He isn't as complete a hitter as he was in Oakland, but in Oakland he was also a .340 1.170 OPS player who was the 2nd best hitter in baseball so he has the luxury of not being AS good, but still good. .
Mattpat11
01-02-06, 04:01 PM
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EDIT: You know what's really impressive aboiut Giambi's last 4 months? He had the folllowing OBPs - .474, .524, .448, .439. Now thats what we call getting on base. I think measuring a player's performance strictly on OBP can be as a bad as a trap as BA. I firmly believe that on base without any kind of slugging percentage is basically useless. Hell, Look at Giambi himself in the first three months of the year.
I think measuring a player's performance strictly on OBP can be as a bad as a trap as BA. I firmly believe that on base without any kind of slugging percentage is basically useless. Hell, Look at Giambi himself in the first three months of the year.
Well, it can never be as bad as BA simply cause its a better statistic. But of course, like any statistic, OBP alone doesn't tell the whole story of a players production. That being said, when a player has those type of OBPs 4 months running, it should account for something, which is all I really said. If a player hit .328, .330, .324 and .339 his last 4 months, that would be an impressive feat to me, even though BA alone is not a very useful stat.
keithf1
01-02-06, 04:26 PM
I think he showed two things over the last 4 months, the ability to still be the best OBP guy in baseball not named Bonds, and the ability to hit for power. With Giambi, BA is the least important stat because of the huge walk total with results in it being a terrible way to measure his ABs. BA is obviously a much more important stat to a Robinson Cano, since getting a hit is his primary way of getting on base.
I agree 100%.
I think measuring a player's performance strictly on OBP can be as a bad as a trap as BA. I firmly believe that on base without any kind of slugging percentage is basically useless. Hell, Look at Giambi himself in the first three months of the year.
OBP is relatively more important than slugging, though. If we had a team of 9 .450 OBP guys with very low slugging, say .400 (which would be almost all singles with how high the BA probably is) we score a ton, over 1000 runs. I am not running a simulation or quoting something, just giving my general memory of the results of such simulations.
Giambi through April and May last year was hitting like .195 with like a .320-.340 OBP. Its not like he had no power but was still an OBP machine or anything.
I think you answered some of my concerns as well, though I'm not sure it was intended.
Health/age/pattern of illnesses and injury are my biggest concerns. Without all of the above, he's reduced to either striking out or walking. As you said, these constant nagging injuries (which he seems to regularly get the past 3 years, PLUS steroid usage/withdrawal) reduced his power numbers at year's end. BA is in fact important when you state that his OBP was high in spite of a low BA. What's that tell us? That he's getting on base via walks.
Do we really want to depend on Giambi getting on base this way? IF....big "IF" he is hampered by injury or shows any further decline, do you not think that the pitchers will work him in the strike zone instead of pitching around the plate? IF that happens, and he has no pop due to injury/decline, he'll be rendered useless. This is not out of the realm of possibilities considering who we're talking about.
In all honesty, how many times have you seen him hit to the left side with the shift on, at least get a hit? I can remember ONCE last year, and the announcers (and fans here) were surprised and giddy. Another time he bunted. We even joked about it here.
If he stays healthy, I wouldn't be surprised with 30+ homers, 100+ ribbies, and an OBP bordering arouund .400. But he's not someone who you can easily pencil in numbers for, like A-Rod (approx .300/40/120/.400), and have any guaranties that he'll reach them, like you would A-Rod or Jeter. I, for one, wouldn't bet my house on him. Sadly, those days are seemigly gone with Giambi, where we'd know what we'd get before the season started. Now we only "hope" he's back to some semblance of his old form.
Hence, my point is that it's risky to rely on him without a good back-up plan (which isn't Phillips, IMO).
Heh ..
MassNYYfan
01-02-06, 06:26 PM
Heh ..
This whole thread is a Heh.
or a :wtf:
:)
Edit: Bitches.
:P
shcabot
01-02-06, 07:29 PM
What exactly is a "Heh"? :P
Dooley Womack
01-02-06, 10:08 PM
Heh ..
Heh heh heh. He said heh, Beavis. Heh-heh heh.
aeromac76
01-03-06, 07:32 AM
I agree with one thing, the walks are a given with Jason and that automatically makes him productive, but not so much because he is simply on base, but because of a reason no one has really mentioned yet... the lineup he resides in..
I recall reading old time baseball books and people would criticize Ted Williams because he never swung at a bad pitch, and at times, would allow himself to be walked rather than try to do damage. This was the same issue that Frank Thomas was taken to task on early in his heydey. The old "your job is to drive in runs, not walk 90 feet" statement. But the common ground for those two guys is that they were NEEDED to be the run producers at the time this statement was levied upon them. In other words, imagine Giambi in a KC lineup, a walk to him there would almost, at times, be detrimental to the offense.
But in our lineup, getting ANYONE on base at any time, even a slug who cannot run like Giambi, invites disaster. Giambi might not run at all, but if hegets on base at a .400 clip, he'll likely score close to 100 runs. In the Yankees 2006 lineup, you simply, as a pitcher, cannot afford to give up any free passes. Our lineup, if healthy and productive this year, will in almost every inning have the equivalent of the 3-4-5 hitters in most lineups coming to bat, walks are going to be disastrous for a pitcher.
Being this as it is, it might benefit us even more, because if a pitcher is so terrified to walk anyone, you might get better pitches to hit.
I actually love this lineup because it should , if things go as planned, allow for less pressure on everyone in it, knowing that they do not have be over agressive and that all 9 guys can hurt you. Giambi will likely start the season in the middle of this order somewhere and he could almost score 100 runs by accident. Unless he simply cannot hit anymore, i.e., even potches right down the middle he does not hit, then pitching him carefulyy means he'll walk, and that might mean more runners on base for the hitters behind him..
If you look at the lineup, and go the old lefty righty swapping throughout
Damon
Jeter
Arod
Giambi
Sheffield
Matsui
Cano
Posada
Williams
This is one of many lineups, but by the time Giambi gets up, it is likely guys will be on base, walking him means even more on base, and the two guys behind Jason are slugging, 100 RBI, 30+ HR threats with his OBP themselves. Even deeper is Cano who we all regard as a very productive hitter. This lineup, even if you tinker with it, will be just devastating to deal with, and having a guy like Giambi, who may not run, just get on base, will cause all sorts of problems for the opposition..
keithf1
01-03-06, 09:14 AM
I agree with one thing, the walks are a given with Jason and that automatically makes him productive, but not so much because he is simply on base, but because of a reason no one has really mentioned yet... the lineup he resides in..
I recall reading old time baseball books and people would criticize Ted Williams because he never swung at a bad pitch, and at times, would allow himself to be walked rather than try to do damage. This was the same issue that Frank Thomas was taken to task on early in his heydey. The old "your job is to drive in runs, not walk 90 feet" statement. But the common ground for those two guys is that they were NEEDED to be the run producers at the time this statement was levied upon them. In other words, imagine Giambi in a KC lineup, a walk to him there would almost, at times, be detrimental to the offense.
But in our lineup, getting ANYONE on base at any time, even a slug who cannot run like Giambi, invites disaster. Giambi might not run at all, but if hegets on base at a .400 clip, he'll likely score close to 100 runs. In the Yankees 2006 lineup, you simply, as a pitcher, cannot afford to give up any free passes. Our lineup, if healthy and productive this year, will in almost every inning have the equivalent of the 3-4-5 hitters in most lineups coming to bat, walks are going to be disastrous for a pitcher.
Being this as it is, it might benefit us even more, because if a pitcher is so terrified to walk anyone, you might get better pitches to hit.
I actually love this lineup because it should , if things go as planned, allow for less pressure on everyone in it, knowing that they do not have be over agressive and that all 9 guys can hurt you. Giambi will likely start the season in the middle of this order somewhere and he could almost score 100 runs by accident. Unless he simply cannot hit anymore, i.e., even potches right down the middle he does not hit, then pitching him carefulyy means he'll walk, and that might mean more runners on base for the hitters behind him..
If you look at the lineup, and go the old lefty righty swapping throughout
Damon
Jeter
Arod
Giambi
Sheffield
Matsui
Cano
Posada
Williams
This is one of many lineups, but by the time Giambi gets up, it is likely guys will be on base, walking him means even more on base, and the two guys behind Jason are slugging, 100 RBI, 30+ HR threats with his OBP themselves. Even deeper is Cano who we all regard as a very productive hitter. This lineup, even if you tinker with it, will be just devastating to deal with, and having a guy like Giambi, who may not run, just get on base, will cause all sorts of problems for the opposition..
I agree with you totally and that's a very good point. If Giambi were the only feared hitter on a team than he would definitely have some problems.
Also, that line up is exactly how I'd arrange it too if the season started tomorrow.
rivera,s cutter
01-04-06, 02:29 PM
Avg 290,hr 38,rbi 130,obp 400. Go Giambino!!!!!
DiMaggio5CF
01-04-06, 02:59 PM
Jason Giambi:
Batting Average: .252
Homeruns: 22
RBI: 76
Runs: 65
Strikeouts: 107
OBP: .422
SLG: .437
OPS: .859
Those are his rough projections if he hadn't exploded in July, and that's roughly what I'm predicting for him in 2006.
Jason Giambi:
Batting Average: .252
Homeruns: 22
RBI: 76
Runs: 65
Strikeouts: 107
OBP: .422
SLG: .437
OPS: .859
Those are his rough projections if he hadn't exploded in July, and that's roughly what I'm predicting for him in 2006.
So you think he's gonna have two really bad months next year but not a really great one?
Jeter Kid
01-04-06, 03:55 PM
I'm sure he's not going to have the hassles with the media(most likely causing the stress and slump beginning to 2005), much anymore. So I predict 36 homeruns, 110 rbi's.
DiMaggio5CF
01-04-06, 04:09 PM
So you think he's gonna have two really bad months next year but not a really great one?
Yeah, but I think those will come at the end of the season this year. Playing first base on a daily basis will give him some sort of nagging injury that will slow him down.
He won't have Tino to start 78 games at first base, and Torre won't trust Phillips/Cairo that much.
Giambi started only 77 games at first base last year, and he still had only 417 at-bats.
If he has to play a full season at first, he's going to wear down by the end, especially if Sheffield clogs up the DH spot.
StaceyRosie
01-04-06, 04:13 PM
Did we get a right fielder to replace Sheff?
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-04-06, 04:14 PM
Yeah, but I think those will come at the end of the season this year. Playing first base on a daily basis will give him some sort of nagging injury that will slow him down.
He won't have Tino to start 78 games at first base, and Torre won't trust Phillips/Cairo that much.
Giambi started only 77 games at first base last year, and he still had only 417 at-bats.
If he has to play a full season at first, he's going to wear down by the end, especially if Sheffield clogs up the DH spot.
Torre won't have a choice on the days where Giambi needs to DH. Using Phillips would be the only option. Everyone is aware of how long Giambi's contract is and the money involved, they aren't going to ride him to death in 06'...
Yeah, but I think those will come at the end of the season this year. Playing first base on a daily basis will give him some sort of nagging injury that will slow him down.
He won't have Tino to start 78 games at first base, and Torre won't trust Phillips/Cairo that much.
Giambi started only 77 games at first base last year, and he still had only 417 at-bats.
If he has to play a full season at first, he's going to wear down by the end, especially if Sheffield clogs up the DH spot.
Or, you can look at it this way: If Giambi DHs less then that means his production will increase because he hits much better when playing first, thus cancelling out whatever slump you think he'll go into at the end of the year.
Did we get a right fielder to replace Sheff?
Sadly, not yet.
DiMaggio5CF
01-04-06, 04:52 PM
Did we get a right fielder to replace Sheff?
Sheffield was the DH in 23 games last season, and he's now 37 years old. He doesn't need a replacement to be forced to the DH role.
Or, you can look at it this way: If Giambi DHs less then that means his production will increase because he hits much better when playing first, thus cancelling out whatever slump you think he'll go into at the end of the year.
Does Giambi hit better when he plays the field, or does he mostly DH when he's hurt, which means he shockingly hits better when he's healthy?
StaceyRosie
01-04-06, 05:10 PM
Sheffield was the DH in 23 games last season, and he's now 37 years old. He doesn't need a replacement to be forced to the DH role.
The way you made it sound I thought I had missed a free agent signing or something,
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-04-06, 05:22 PM
Sheffield was the DH in 23 games last season, and he's now 37 years old. He doesn't need a replacement to be forced to the DH role.
:uhh: Yes he does. Besides being injured almost every season for the last 3 years, he is a huge defensive liability in right field. Also his numbers at DH have historically been better than as the rightfielder...
Does Giambi hit better when he plays the field, or does he mostly DH when he's hurt, which means he shockingly hits better when he's healthy?
He hits better when he plays the field because as he has said he feels more into the game and more aware at the plate...
keithf1
01-04-06, 07:01 PM
I wonder if Mattingly can help Giambi out at 1st more this year. He had some nice picks last season but my God what a terrible arm.
waybackjack
01-04-06, 07:02 PM
You know, this guy is getting older, and, supposedly, he isn't Juicin' Jason of Oakland. Regardless, he gets on base with the best of 'em, so I predict something like 260 avg, 390 OBP, 25-30 hrs, 90-95 rbis, and an OPS around 900.
keithf1
01-04-06, 07:24 PM
You know, this guy is getting older, and, supposedly, he isn't Juicin' Jason of Oakland. Regardless, he gets on base with the best of 'em, so I predict something like 260 avg, 390 OBP, 25-30 hrs, 90-95 rbis, and an OPS around 900.
I think it's a safe bet to say Giambi's OBP will be well over .400.
DiMaggio5CF
01-04-06, 11:48 PM
:uhh: Yes he does. Besides being injured almost every season for the last 3 years, he is a huge defensive liability in right field. Also his numbers at DH have historically been better than as the rightfielder...
He hits better when he plays the field because as he has said he feels more into the game and more aware at the plate...
What I meant was that Sheffield can need to be the DH without the Yankees signing another rightfielder.
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-04-06, 11:58 PM
What I meant was that Sheffield can need to be the DH without the Yankees signing another rightfielder.
Who plays right then? I see no one on the team now who would be acceptable...
DiMaggio5CF
01-05-06, 12:22 AM
Who plays right then? I see no one on the team now who would be acceptable...
You're right. If Sheffield gets hurt, he should play right anyway.
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-05-06, 12:38 AM
You're right. If Sheffield gets hurt, he should play right anyway.
What?
What I meant was that Sheffield can need to be the DH without the Yankees signing another rightfielder.
Maybe I misunderstood this statement because of the grammar, but I'm not following you...
LuckyLopez
01-05-06, 01:38 AM
I believe he's merely saying that Sheff will need to DH whether there's an acceptable RF replacement or not. Its just the difference of having a RFer who forces Sheff over to DH or Sheff needing to DH thus creating a need for a RFer. DiMaggio5CF seems to be coming from the later perspective.
I think the two of you seem to be in agreement, DiMaggio just hasn't introduced a RF replacement into the conversation even though you and StaceyRosie seemed to think he had one in mind.
DiMaggio5CF
01-05-06, 02:24 AM
Maybe I misunderstood this statement because of the grammar, but I'm not following you...
Gary Sheffield is old. Gary Sheffield was hurt at times last year.
Gary Sheffield will probably be hurt again in 2006.
If Gary Sheffield is hurt in 2006, he will need to be the DH.
So even though the Yankees have not signed another right fielder, Gary Sheffield will probably be the DH a little in 2006.
Gary Sheffield will be injured in 2006, and that alone will force him to spend time as the DH.
It will not take adding another right fielder to force Gary Sheffield to be the DH.
It does not matter whether or not the Yankees currently have someone capable of starting in RF because Gary Sheffield will be the DH out of necessity, not by design.
Make sense?
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-05-06, 02:38 AM
Gary Sheffield is old. Gary Sheffield was hurt at times last year.
Gary Sheffield will probably be hurt again in 2006.
If Gary Sheffield is hurt in 2006, he will need to be the DH.
So even though the Yankees have not signed another right fielder, Gary Sheffield will probably be the DH a little in 2006.
Gary Sheffield will be injured in 2006, and that alone will force him to spend time as the DH.
It will not take adding another right fielder to force Gary Sheffield to be the DH.
It does not matter whether or not the Yankees currently have someone capable of starting in RF because Gary Sheffield will be the DH out of necessity, not by design.
Make sense?
I understand what you are saying now. First off it depends on his injury, it's possible he could be injured to a point where he couldn't be the DH either. No, you don't need to add a player to have Sheffield DH sometimes, but adding a player with good defensive skills and some offensive skills would greatly improve the team overall. You also can't just assume a player will injured, thats just ridiculous. It does matter if the Yankees have a player to play right field, it gives them many more options...
freebubba
01-05-06, 10:39 AM
When Giambi started getting hot last year, the first thought that came into my head was "phew, he has some trade value again". I was also hoping they would try and deal him and work out other 1B/DH options. However, since he is staying and it is being discussed, I think he reasonably goes 30/90/.285 along with his gaudy amount of walks and high OBP. Getting back to dealing him, while those numbers are better than what we dealt with in 2004, they are not worth $19m per. However, they increase his value to other clubs to the point where they may be willing to take on 50% of his salary. That would be a major coup for the Yankees. It also gives Phillips another year to develop. Isn't Duncan moving to 1st base as well?
i'll play.
.300
.430
.610
mvp season.
effdamets
01-05-06, 12:12 PM
i'll play.
.300
.430
.610
mvp season.
Jason Giambi's seasons of hitting .300 are way behind him. He cannot catch up to the high fastball any longer. Be happy if he hits .270. His power numbers will be there.
DirtyDirty
01-05-06, 12:21 PM
I'd like to see him blow a hole through the chest of the 2nd baseman playing the Giambi Shift in shallow right field.
That or 50 opposite field doubles. Either way, I'd be way happy. Of all the free agent signings, I have been most disappointed in him. I just hope he's awesome next year.
DiMaggio5CF
01-05-06, 12:31 PM
You also can't just assume a player will injured, thats just ridiculous.
I don't think it's ridicuous at all. I think you have to assume that certain players will be injured.
Griffey, Drew, and Garciaparra will probably all be on the Disabled List.
Johnson, Giambi, Sheffield, Schilling, Beckett, Halladay, Edmonds, Clemens, Bedard, and Wickman are just some of the guys who will probably have at least nagging injuries.
Mr. Mxylsplk
01-05-06, 12:35 PM
You also can't just assume a player will injured, thats just ridiculous.
It's certainly less ridiculous than being in denial. One can't assume Sheffield will be injured to the point of going on the DL, but no one's doing that. Based on his age and recent history however, it is a very safe assumption that Sheff will be banged up at times during the season to the point where he will need some rest from fielding everyday. It seems pretty naive to think otherwise.
genius-24
01-05-06, 12:55 PM
Just like last year, giambi will sturggle early but at the end of may he will get his groove back and he will start ripping the cover off the ball. He will post...
.280/.415/33-35 HR
Jason Giambi:
Batting Average: .252
Homeruns: 22
RBI: 76
Runs: 65
Strikeouts: 107
OBP: .422
SLG: .437
OPS: .859
Those are his rough projections if he hadn't exploded in July, and that's roughly what I'm predicting for him in 2006.
Yeah...we can easily play that game though and make "rough" projections if he hadn't had a rough April or May. You can't take away a players hot streak and base what he'll do off the rest.
GiambiRocks
01-05-06, 01:09 PM
i'll play.
.300
.430
.610
mvp season.
I love your thinking.
DiMaggio5CF
01-05-06, 01:42 PM
Yeah...we can easily play that game though and make "rough" projections if he hadn't had a rough April or May. You can't take away a players hot streak and base what he'll do off the rest.
We've discussed this already.
puckmaster87
01-05-06, 01:58 PM
Jason Giambi's seasons of hitting .300 are way behind him. He cannot catch up to the high fastball any longer. Be happy if he hits .270. His power numbers will be there.
That's what you say. We'll see.
SI Baseballman
01-05-06, 03:14 PM
I'm thinking .270/.410/.520
In the power department 30 homers and 115 Ribbies.
Perhaps a slight improvement from this season.
ShaneTravis
01-05-06, 03:25 PM
I expect nothing from Jason. Absolutely zero at the plate. I doubt he has the strength to even show up for Spring Training.
Probably .220 .340 .400 for 2006
I am usually right about these things certainly when predicting Giambi's stats....
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=2139962&postcount=44
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-05-06, 03:55 PM
I don't think it's ridicuous at all. I think you have to assume that certain players will be injured.
Griffey, Drew, and Garciaparra will probably all be on the Disabled List.
Johnson, Giambi, Sheffield, Schilling, Beckett, Halladay, Edmonds, Clemens, Bedard, and Wickman are just some of the guys who will probably have at least nagging injuries.
And the rest of my post?
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-05-06, 04:03 PM
It's certainly less ridiculous than being in denial. One can't assume Sheffield will be injured to the point of going on the DL, but no one's doing that. Based on his age and recent history however, it is a very safe assumption that Sheff will be banged up at times during the season to the point where he will need some rest from fielding everyday. It seems pretty naive to think otherwise.
I'm not in denial, if you have read the thread, I have been saying it is likely that Sheffield will be injured. What I am saying is you have to plan for such injuries but you can't compose your roster assuming they will happen. I'm simply arguing Sheffield needs a backup so he could DH more days and stay out of the field, DiMagg doesn't think Sheffield needs a backup to force Sheffield to DH because he is assuming he will be too injured to actually play the field...
StaceyRosie
01-05-06, 04:08 PM
I expect nothing from Jason. Absolutely zero at the plate. I doubt he has the strength to even show up for Spring Training.
Probably .220 .340 .400 for 2006
I am usually right about these things certainly when predicting Giambi's stats....
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=2139962&postcount=44
Your predictions are worse than the local weatherman.
NYYBombshell
01-05-06, 04:09 PM
I expect nothing from Jason. Absolutely zero at the plate. I doubt he has the strength to even show up for Spring Training.
Probably .220 .340 .400 for 2006
I am usually right about these things certainly when predicting Giambi's stats....
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=2139962&postcount=44
Are you going to throw in a gratuitious steroids rumor or are you going to keep spouting nonsense?
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-05-06, 04:10 PM
I expect nothing from Jason. Absolutely zero at the plate. I doubt he has the strength to even show up for Spring Training.
Probably .220 .340 .400 for 2006
I am usually right about these things certainly when predicting Giambi's stats....
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=2139962&postcount=44
BTW, what part of your post came true?
RhodeyYankee2638
01-05-06, 04:12 PM
I expect nothing from Jason. Absolutely zero at the plate. I doubt he has the strength to even show up for Spring Training.
Probably .220 .340 .400 for 2006
I am usually right about these things certainly when predicting Giambi's stats....
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=2139962&postcount=44
Its better to expect nothinng, so when you get sooome production, its like an added bonus
keithf1
01-05-06, 04:52 PM
I expect nothing from Jason. Absolutely zero at the plate. I doubt he has the strength to even show up for Spring Training.
Probably .220 .340 .400 for 2006
I am usually right about these things certainly when predicting Giambi's stats....
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=2139962&postcount=44
Sarcasm?
DiMaggio5CF
01-05-06, 05:29 PM
I understand what you are saying now. First off it depends on his injury, it's possible he could be injured to a point where he couldn't be the DH either. No, you don't need to add a player to have Sheffield DH sometimes, but adding a player with good defensive skills and some offensive skills would greatly improve the team overall [. . .] It does matter if the Yankees have a player to play right field, it gives them many more options...
This?
I'm saying that Gary Sheffield might have to be the DH because of injuries.
You're telling me that the Yankees need a rightfielder because Sheffield is bad in the field.
I don't really know how you want me to respond to this. You're right?
DiMaggio5CF
01-05-06, 05:31 PM
I'm simply arguing Sheffield needs a backup so he could DH more days and stay out of the field, DiMagg doesn't think Sheffield needs a backup to force Sheffield to DH because he is assuming he will be too injured to actually play the field...
I'm sorry, but I just don't have any idea how to respond to this.
Tell me what you want me to say, and I'll say it. At least that way we can move on.
keithf1
01-05-06, 05:49 PM
I'm sorry, but I just don't have any idea how to respond to this.
Tell me what you want me to say, and I'll say it. At least that way we can move on.
lol, i was wondering myself
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-05-06, 05:56 PM
This?
I'm saying that Gary Sheffield might have to be the DH because of injuries.
You're telling me that the Yankees need a rightfielder because Sheffield is bad in the field.
I don't really know how you want me to respond to this. You're right?
I just don't see the point of you saying,
What I meant was that Sheffield can need to be the DH without the Yankees signing another rightfielder.
I think thats pretty obvious, no one was saying he wouldn't. What I thought you were arguing was that the Yankees don't need an extra corner outfielder, in which case I disagree...
EDIT: You think Sheffield will clog up the DH spot, I don't think he will unless we sign another rightfielder...
DiMaggio5CF
01-05-06, 06:02 PM
I think thats pretty obvious, no one was saying he wouldn't. What I thought you were arguing was that the Yankees don't need an extra corner outfielder, in which case I disagree...
I am talking about Gary Sheffield's tendency to encounter nagging injuries -- period, end of story, nothing else.
Whether or not the Yankees should get another outfielder is something that I haven't discussed at all. I have not touched, at all, Sheffield's defensive skills and his ability, or lack thereof, to play the outfield on a full-time basis.
If you think that Sheffield is a subpar outfielder and that the Yankees should get someone to replace him , that's a valid opinion, but it has nothing to do at all with any point that I've made.
EDIT:
EDIT: You think Sheffield will clog up the DH spot, I don't think he will unless we sign another rightfielder...
I think that nagging injuries will FORCE Sheffield to clog up the DH spot because they will make him physically unable to play rightfield.
That has nothing to do with his skill or the skills of the other outfielders on the roster.
Injuries will make Sheffield unable to play the outfield, which will make the quality of his backup a moot point.
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-05-06, 06:11 PM
I think that nagging injuries will FORCE Sheffield to clog up the DH spot because they will make him physically unable to play rightfield.
That has nothing to do with his skill or the skills of the other outfielders on the roster.
Injuries will make Sheffield unable to play the outfield, which will make the quality of his backup a moot point.
He's been able to play through these nagging injuries throughout his career and his contract with the Yankees, any reason why this year he won't be able to?
DiMaggio5CF
01-05-06, 06:16 PM
He's been able to play through these nagging injuries throughout his career and his contract with the Yankees, any reason why this year he won't be able to?
Alright, this conversation is over. Let it go.
Snatch Catch
01-05-06, 06:19 PM
I think Giambi misses significant time with an injury, and doesn't crest 120 games.
I hope I'm wrong, though.
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-05-06, 06:20 PM
Alright, this conversation is over. Let it go.
:lol: Fine with me...
ShaneTravis
01-05-06, 07:31 PM
Are you going to throw in a gratuitious steroids rumor or are you going to keep spouting nonsense?
Did you read my link? It was aimed at me. I thought it was pretty obvious.
"Sarcasm" ---Sarcasm is sneering, jesting, or mocking a person, situation or thing. It is often used in a humorous or ironic manner and is expressed through vocal intonations such as over-emphasizing the actual statement or particular words.
Because it is vocally-oriented, sarcasm can be difficult to grasp in written form and is easily misinterpreted. To prevent this some people end sarcastic comments on the Internet with an emoticon, emphasize words with italics, bold, and/or underlining (e.g. That's just great), or surround them with a made-up markup language tag, e.g. <sarcasm> or <snicker>.
Who said anything about steroids? When have I ever said hurtful things to/for/about any player in relation to steroids? You either threw that out there not thinking or you have me confused with another poster. For the record I have defended Giambi before "What would motivate someone to spread slander like that? It is getting bleaker and bleaker when "fans" (I am assuming this one is a sports fan) take to breaking the law b/c they dislike a player."
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=2560714&postcount=18
ShaneTravis
01-05-06, 07:34 PM
Sarcasm?
Just a little. ;)
I don't want to jinx it, and seeing how the exact opposite happened on my previous prediction last year in regards to Jason...l am sticking with "he is finished, we are doomed".
NYYBombshell
01-06-06, 12:27 AM
Did you read my link? It was aimed at me. I thought it was pretty obvious.
"Sarcasm" ---Sarcasm is sneering, jesting, or mocking a person, situation or thing. It is often used in a humorous or ironic manner and is expressed through vocal intonations such as over-emphasizing the actual statement or particular words.
Because it is vocally-oriented, sarcasm can be difficult to grasp in written form and is easily misinterpreted. To prevent this some people end sarcastic comments on the Internet with an emoticon, emphasize words with italics, bold, and/or underlining (e.g. That's just great), or surround them with a made-up markup language tag, e.g. <sarcasm> or <snicker>.
Could you please post another link defining sarcasm for me? I'm not quite sure I fully grasp it.
</snicker></sarcasm>
shutout
01-06-06, 03:36 AM
Can't we all just get along?
friscodisco
02-06-06, 05:28 PM
Well, once again, I happened to bump into Giambi while on a Vegas vacation / work function. The dude is in great shape right now and looks like he has packed on a few more lbs of pure muscle. When he shook my hand, he practically ripped it off my arm. He was having some pretty good luck at the craps table, and I followed his lead and made myself a few hundred bucks.
As far as predictions for '06, here's my call for the G man:
BA: 301
OBP: 432
HR: 37
RBI: 126
BB: 134
World Series Rings: 1
Well, once again, I happened to bump into Giambi while on a Vegas vacation / work function. The dude is in great shape right now and looks like he has packed on a few more lbs of pure muscle. When he shook my hand, he practically ripped it off my arm. He was having some pretty good luck at the craps table, and I followed his lead and made myself a few hundred bucks.
As far as predictions for '06, here's my call for the G man:
BA: 301
OBP: 432
HR: 37
RBI: 126
BB: 134
World Series Rings: 1
Awesome post...especially that last line...brilliant :D
StaceyRosie
02-06-06, 05:35 PM
Well, once again, I happened to bump into Giambi while on a Vegas vacation / work function. The dude is in great shape right now and looks like he has packed on a few more lbs of pure muscle. When he shook my hand, he practically ripped it off my arm. He was having some pretty good luck at the craps table, and I followed his lead and made myself a few hundred bucks.
As far as predictions for '06, here's my call for the G man:
BA: 301
OBP: 432
HR: 37
RBI: 126
BB: 134
World Series Rings: 1
I hate you and I mean that in the nicest way.
I hate you and I mean that in the nicest way.
:roflmao:
brosiusbuddy
02-06-06, 05:36 PM
5 or 6 hitter? He'll be either our 3 or 4 hitter as he should be.
Damon, Jeter, Arod, Sheff then Giambi. 5 hitter
friscodisco
02-09-06, 02:39 PM
I hate you and I mean that in the nicest way.
Somehow I knew that was coming. ;)
StaceyRosie
02-09-06, 03:37 PM
Somehow I knew that was coming. ;)
:)
I'm just jealous.
Damon, Jeter, Arod, Sheff then Giambi. 5 hitter
Giambi was better than Sheff last year. And is the better hitter now.
Giambi was better than Sheff last year. And is the better hitter now.
Agreed. He should hit cleanup.
Giambi was better than Sheff last year. And is the better hitter now.
He certainly was. Heck, he was amongst the best hitters in baseball over the second half of the season, if not the best. He should bat smack dab in the middle of the lineup. I'd bat him third, to utilize his production with the guys in front of him and his OBP with the guys in back.
Agreed. He should hit cleanup.
He certainly was. Heck, he was amongst the best hitters in baseball over the second half of the season, if not the best. He should bat smack dab in the middle of the lineup. I'd bat him third, to utilize his production with the guys in front of him and his OBP with the guys in back.
I hope he bats third so he doesn't get stranded after walking a trillion times.
I hope he bats third so he doesn't get stranded after walking a trillion times.
A-rod and Sheff are both high OBP guys as well, but a healthy Giambi is better than those two in that category. You could make a case that A-rod's legs could offset a bit Giambi's increase in ability to reach base, but you could equally argue A-rod's propensity to hit more HR.
You can't really go wrong there, except by putting any of them behind Matsui. But I believe the ideal woudl be Giambi/A-rod/Sheff
Having him bat third preserves L-R-L-R, as well (assuming ARod bats cleanup, of course)
A-rod and Sheff are both high OBP guys as well, but a healthy Giambi is better than those two in that category. You could make a case that A-rod's legs could offset a bit Giambi's increase in ability to reach base, but you could equally argue A-rod's propensity to hit more HR.
You can't really go wrong there, except by putting any of them behind Matsui. But I believe the ideal woudl be Giambi/A-rod/Sheff
I agree.
Stan Musial
02-10-06, 04:44 AM
Ba = .270
Obp = .400
Ops = .905
Hr = 33
Rbi = 95
YankClipper5
02-10-06, 08:09 AM
A-rod and Sheff are both high OBP guys as well, but a healthy Giambi is better than those two in that category. You could make a case that A-rod's legs could offset a bit Giambi's increase in ability to reach base, but you could equally argue A-rod's propensity to hit more HR.
You can't really go wrong there, except by putting any of them behind Matsui. But I believe the ideal woudl be Giambi/A-rod/Sheff
Its a pretty good problem to have considering the pretty decent speed that the 1 and 2 spots will present. I think Joe will probably experiment with Giambi and A-rod alternating between 3 and 4 with Sheff batting 5 primarily. I think ideally A-rod should bat 3rd because Giambi would cause A-rod to become a station to station runner behind him. I think if Giambi is truly back to form, he is probably a bigger home run threat than even A-rod considering he is a lefty at Yankee Stadium. A-rod I would guess would have a better batting average than Giambi so I would want him in front to advance Damon and Jeter on the bases ahead of him with hits. Either sequence has its own particular advantages. Anyways, on Giambi, if healthy I think he will bat to the tune of:
.280-.285 Average
.425 OBP
.560 SLG
40 HR
125 RBI
Dynasties R Forever
02-10-06, 10:59 AM
Its a pretty good problem to have considering the pretty decent speed that the 1 and 2 spots will present. I think Joe will probably experiment with Giambi and A-rod alternating between 3 and 4 with Sheff batting 5 primarily. I think ideally A-rod should bat 3rd because Giambi would cause A-rod to become a station to station runner behind him. I think if Giambi is truly back to form, he is probably a bigger home run threat than even A-rod considering he is a lefty at Yankee Stadium. A-rod I would guess would have a better batting average than Giambi so I would want him in front to advance Damon and Jeter on the bases ahead of him with hits. Either sequence has its own particular advantages. Anyways, on Giambi, if healthy I think he will bat to the tune of:
.280-.285 Average
.425 OBP
.560 SLG
40 HR
125 RBI
It'll be much more costly to a team to do the Giambi shift if he bats third. With Damon or Jeter on in front of him they shift at the price of allowing either runner second base by default with their speed, or they open a monster hole. IMO he should bat third.
YankClipper5
02-10-06, 11:11 AM
It'll be much more costly to a team to do the Giambi shift if he bats third. With Damon or Jeter on in front of him they shift at the price of allowing either runner second base by default with their speed, or they open a monster hole. IMO he should bat third.
Excellent point, I honestly didn't consider that.
SINCE77 2
02-10-06, 11:50 AM
It'll be much more costly to a team to do the Giambi shift if he bats third. With Damon or Jeter on in front of him they shift at the price of allowing either runner second base by default with their speed, or they open a monster hole. IMO he should bat third.
I completely agree. Another benefit will be a higher batting average for Giambi for the 2006 season. The majority of his groundball outs are due to the rightside shift. Take it away and those hits are singles leading to an increase in hitting w/RISP.
Excellent point, I honestly didn't consider that.
Me, either. Brilliant :clap:
BillBuckner
02-10-06, 12:07 PM
It'll be much more costly to a team to do the Giambi shift if he bats third. With Damon or Jeter on in front of him they shift at the price of allowing either runner second base by default with their speed, or they open a monster hole. IMO he should bat third.
Excellent point. I never even thought of it that way.
It'll be much more costly to a team to do the Giambi shift if he bats third. With Damon or Jeter on in front of him they shift at the price of allowing either runner second base by default with their speed, or they open a monster hole. IMO he should bat third.
In the shift against Giambi, I think either the 3rd baseman or shortstop could still cover second if a guy was on first. If Jeter and Damon were both on, or one was on second, then yeah, they are definitely giving up a base if they shift (so they probably won't, and Giambi should do better).
surge511
02-10-06, 03:02 PM
He should bat 4th. He perfectly fits in between the 2 big righties. Arod is on just as much as Jeter or Damon, and is as fast, if not faster. Giambi just has to work on taking the ball to the opposite field more, and the shift will become less useable. My vote is to bat him 4th.
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