View Full Version : Yankees considering Jeter or A-Rod in CF?
ring403
11-28-05, 10:33 PM
I know this debate has been raging here for a couple of years, but this time it looks like team officials are actually talking about it:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=sportsNews&storyID=2005-11-29T040443Z_01_SPI914633_RTRUKOC_0_US-BASEBALL-TORRE.xml&archived=False
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Yankees manager Joe Torre says the club is keeping its options open for a pressing need in center field -- including the possible use of one of their two All-Star caliber shortstops, Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez.
New York manager Torre said he has considered the merits of converting either Jeter or Rodriguez, who has been playing third base since joining the Yankees, but has not raised the subject with either of his star players.
"We've thought about it," Torre said in an interview with Reuters on Monday.
"We just haven't made a commitment to that. We haven't broached it with the shortstops."
Yankeeah
11-28-05, 10:35 PM
A-Rod said he struggles with fly balls, so I don't see how that would work.
Yankyfan
11-28-05, 10:35 PM
Then we have a hole at SS or 3rd.
AMYanks
11-28-05, 10:36 PM
It wouldn't be A-Rod. He said in an interview with Francesa and Russo he doesn't think he could do it, with all the muscle he put on.
A-Rod, given his poor pop-up play, would not be a very good choice, anyway. Jeter is obviously the better candidate.
However, this is all moot. Neither will move.
Bernie Inferno
11-28-05, 10:36 PM
At least they are considering it.
AMYanks
11-28-05, 10:37 PM
Then we have a hole at SS or 3rd.
It's a lot easier to find a 3B than it is to find a CFer.
Evil Empire
11-28-05, 10:37 PM
Nah they shouldn't move. Just get a real outfielder.
ring403
11-28-05, 10:37 PM
Then we have a hole at SS or 3rd.Get Furcal on the phone.
Bernie Inferno
11-28-05, 10:39 PM
Get Furcal on the phone. Exactly.
destiNY
11-28-05, 10:40 PM
I know this debate has been raging here for a couple of years, but this time it looks like team officials are actually talking about it:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=sportsNews&storyID=2005-11-29T040443Z_01_SPI914633_RTRUKOC_0_US-BASEBALL-TORRE.xml&archived=False
wow I'm shocked. I can't believe Joe even publicly mentioned this without even talking to the players about it. Talk about putting more pressure on his players when they already have enough to crush a navy submarine. Get a real CFer please, aka Micheals. NOW :mad: :gulp: :smokin: :NY:
NYYBombshell
11-28-05, 10:41 PM
Why are we going to put our GG SS or 3B in CF when we can get an outfielder to do that?
Keep Alex and Derek where they belong.
wileedog
11-28-05, 10:43 PM
Get Furcal on the phone.
If they are going to do that just put Furcal out there. He's already said he be happy to play CF, and is faster than either Jetes or A-Rod (I know, speed doesn't = range, but it don't hurt either) and has a better arm.
Would this also mean signing Nomar to another 1 year incentive deal to play 3rd and leaving Duncan at 3B?
destiNY
11-28-05, 10:51 PM
Would this also mean signing Nomar to another 1 year incentive deal to play 3rd and leaving Duncan at 3B?
Duncan has to play for the Clippers before he makes his jump, hes simply one year away barring a Cano-like miracle.
stephsamps
11-28-05, 10:51 PM
I"We just haven't made a commitment to that. We haven't broached it with the shortstops."
I found this comment sort of interesting...
StatenIslandYankee
11-28-05, 10:52 PM
Then we have a hole at SS or 3rd.
Nomar?
Furcal?
ICEBERG18
11-28-05, 10:54 PM
Highly, highly doubtful.
Zimmers' Helmet
11-28-05, 10:54 PM
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Yankees manager Joe Torre says the club is keeping its options open for a pressing need in center field -- including the possible use of one of their two All-Star caliber shortstops, Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez.
New York manager Torre said he has considered the merits of converting either Jeter or Rodriguez, who has been playing third base since joining the Yankees, but has not raised the subject with either of his star players.
"We've thought about it," Torre said in an interview with Reuters on Monday.
"We just haven't made a commitment to that. We haven't broached it with the shortstops."
Last I checked A-Rod hasn't been a shortstop since 2003.
Are they sure that they spoke to Torre?
destiNY
11-28-05, 10:55 PM
Nomar?
Furcal?
Can't rely on Nomar with his injuries problems
destiNY
11-28-05, 10:56 PM
Last I checked A-Rod hasn't been a shortstop since 2003.
Are they sure that they spoke to Torre?
Reuters is one of the most reliable sources when it comes to news.
apolansk
11-28-05, 10:59 PM
Just one more step for my dream of an all converted shortstop/middle infielder team.
Duncan has to play for the Clippers before he makes his jump, hes simply one year away barring a Cano-like miracle.
Thats why Nomar would be signed to a one year deal, I simply implied that Duncan would quit the 1B experiment and play 3b full time at trenton, not in the big club.
Zimmers' Helmet
11-28-05, 11:08 PM
Reuters is one of the most reliable sources when it comes to news.
I agree, but don't you find the reference to "shortstops" rather odd? Has Torre ever refered to A-Rod as one of his "shortstops" before?
destiNY
11-28-05, 11:18 PM
Thats why Nomar would be signed to a one year deal, I simply implied that Duncan would quit the 1B experiment and play 3b full time at trenton, not in the big club.
ok, I didn't grasp that, makes sense then.
destiNY
11-28-05, 11:21 PM
I agree, but don't you find the reference to "shortstops" rather odd? Has Torre ever refered to A-Rod as one of his "shortstops" before?
Yeah that does seem really odd
ChrisV82
11-28-05, 11:21 PM
Last I checked A-Rod hasn't been a shortstop since 2003.
See, I think this is very important. Let's pretend Jeter is willing to give up his beloved SS position to take over the reigns of probably the most elite of all NYY positions, the center field. Now we have a huge hole at short. We could move ARod, but the man has excelled at third, and without his defense at 3rd would not have beaten Ortiz for the MVP. I'd rather not move two of our players when one would suffice. There has to be someone on the free agent market or in our system who can play short. Whatever happened to that kid who filled in in 2003 when Jeter dislocated his shoulder? I'm blanking on the name. He wasn't great, but by now he should be ready or he should be in a different system.
MassNYYfan
11-28-05, 11:22 PM
Say whaa? Wow, this is stunning...
And yes, I did find the reference to "the shortstops" as odd.
destiNY
11-28-05, 11:23 PM
See, I think this is very important. Let's pretend Jeter is willing to give up his beloved SS position to take over the reigns of probably the most elite of all NYY positions, the center field. Now we have a huge hole at short. We could move ARod, but the man has excelled at third, and without his defense at 3rd would not have beaten Ortiz for the MVP. I'd rather not move two of our players when one would suffice. There has to be someone on the free agent market or in our system who can play short. Whatever happened to that kid who filled in in 2003 when Jeter dislocated his shoulder? I'm blanking on the name. He wasn't great, but by now he should be ready or he should be in a different system.
Enrique Wilson possibly? But he was not a kid unfortunately...
MassNYYfan
11-28-05, 11:23 PM
Whatever happened to that kid who filled in in 2003 when Jeter dislocated his shoulder? I'm blanking on the name. He wasn't great, but by now he should be ready or he should be in a different system.
Erick Almonte. Think he played in Japan last season.
nyg02005
11-28-05, 11:24 PM
Maybe a cheaper option for SS is alex gonsalez of the marlins, he is a F.A. and a good ss. For third base, how about joe randa.
ChrisV82
11-28-05, 11:25 PM
Erick Almonte. Think he played in Japan last season.
That's the guy.
"January 3, 2005: Purchased by the Nippon Ham Fighters (Japan Pacific) from the Cleveland Indians."
Well, I guess the Yankees went with my second option (got rid of him).
MassNYYfan
11-28-05, 11:26 PM
That's the guy.
"January 3, 2005: Purchased by the Nippon Ham Fighters (Japan Pacific) from the Cleveland Indians."
Well, I guess the Yankees went with my second option (got rid of him).
Looks like the Indians thought the same. ;)
See, I think this is very important. Let's pretend Jeter is willing to give up his beloved SS position to take over the reigns of probably the most elite of all NYY positions, the center field. Now we have a huge hole at short. We could move ARod, but the man has excelled at third, and without his defense at 3rd would not have beaten Ortiz for the MVP. I'd rather not move two of our players when one would suffice. There has to be someone on the free agent market or in our system who can play short. Whatever happened to that kid who filled in in 2003 when Jeter dislocated his shoulder? I'm blanking on the name. He wasn't great, but by now he should be ready or he should be in a different system.
Furcal
ring403
11-28-05, 11:30 PM
If they are going to do that just put Furcal out there. He's already said he be happy to play CF, and is faster than either Jetes or A-Rod (I know, speed doesn't = range, but it don't hurt either) and has a better arm.
Furcal is a hell of an athlete, and does seem to like the idea of playing CF:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5070298
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman asked one of Furcal's representatives if Furcal would be willing to play center. Furcal, 28, likely will rule nothing out at this early stage of free agency — he routinely shags fly balls with Braves teammate Andruw Jones and jokes about replacing him in center. He not only is athletic enough to play the position, but also could bat leadoff for the Yankees, forming a dynamic 1-2 combination with Derek Jeter.
I Love Wang
11-28-05, 11:36 PM
See, I think this is very important. Let's pretend Jeter is willing to give up his beloved SS position to take over the reigns of probably the most elite of all NYY positions, the center field. Now we have a huge hole at short. We could move ARod, but the man has excelled at third, and without his defense at 3rd would not have beaten Ortiz for the MVP. I'd rather not move two of our players when one would suffice. There has to be someone on the free agent market or in our system who can play short. Whatever happened to that kid who filled in in 2003 when Jeter dislocated his shoulder? I'm blanking on the name. He wasn't great, but by now he should be ready or he should be in a different system.
That was Erick Almonte. He's bad.
BroadwayBomber55
11-28-05, 11:40 PM
Here's my suggestion if DJ is put in CF:
Derek Jeter in CF, A-Rod in SS, and sign Bill Mueller to play 3B.
But in reality, DJ or A-Rod will not be in CF.
Yankees13
11-28-05, 11:41 PM
Enrique Wilson possibly? But he was not a kid unfortunately...
I believe he's referring to Erick Almonte, but he's long gone.
I wonder what percent of the Yankee Fans who Post here would be happy to see Jeter in CF.
Yankeeah
11-28-05, 11:42 PM
Here's my suggestion if DJ is put in CF:
Derek Jeter in CF, A-Rod in SS, and sign Bill Mueller to play 3B.
But in reality, DJ or A-Rod will not be in CF.
I'd rather leave A-Rod at 3rd and sign Alex Gonzalez for SS, or sign Cairo and then see what would work better between him and A-Rod
BroadwayBomber55
11-28-05, 11:42 PM
I wonder what percent of the Yankee Fans who Post here would be happy to see Jeter in CF.
I want to test DJ in CF first before I make my decision.
Long term I think Jeter might move to the outfield if Nacci and Henry barring a position change develop quickly. I dont think this is a smart idea now though, we still have a shot to get Giles, Milton or Wilkerson to fill that void.
I'd rather leave A-Rod at 3rd and sign Alex Gonzalez for SS, or sign Cairo and then see what would work better between him and A-Rod
Why do so many people want Cairo on the Yankees? Especially in a starting role.
BroadwayBomber55
11-28-05, 11:43 PM
I'd rather leave A-Rod at 3rd and sign Alex Gonzalez for SS, or sign Cairo and then see what would work better between him and A-Rod
I would like to have Miguel Cairo back, but as a bench player.
Ain't Bill Mueller a free agent though?
Yankeeah
11-28-05, 11:46 PM
I would like to have Miguel Cairo back, but as a bench player.
Ain't Bill Mueller a free agent though?
Yeah he is. I liked Cairo when he started as our 2nd baseman in 2004, and I would've like dhim back last year, but I guess it worked out well for us, cause we got Cano.
My first choice would be (if we moved Jeter to center) Furcal at SS, then Gonzalez, then Cairo.
mchnyg2003
11-28-05, 11:54 PM
This is just crazy talk. Bubba is good enough, just let him play.
JeffWeaverFan
11-28-05, 11:56 PM
Highly, highly doubtful.
Yeah, exactly. Still though, it's cool that they would consider it. If it was one or the other, it would definitely be Jeter.
You all know what's gonna happen here, right?
Everyone is gonna accept all the Yankee trade offers at the same time and the Yankees will end up with 9 CFers.
Kulish29
11-28-05, 11:59 PM
This is just crazy talk. Bubba is good enough, just let him play.
No, he's not good enough.
38Special
11-29-05, 12:01 AM
All these quotes seem like BS to me
"That's happened before hasn't it?" Torre said about converting a power-hitting infielder into an outfielder.
Uhh, yeah okay
And not to mention the writer is LARRY FINE
http://www.nndb.com/people/804/000092528/fine-sm.jpg
Stupid Flanders
11-29-05, 12:03 AM
did anyone else notice that the article was written by one of the Three Stooges?
puckmaster87
11-29-05, 12:03 AM
Just let Bubba play center! But if they don't want to....I see Jetes making a great fit out there. A-Rod probably can't do it because his major weakness is pop/fly balls. If you move Jetes out there, move A-Rod back to SS and get someone to play 3rd....but I just don't see this happening at all.
did anyone else notice that the article was written by one of the Three Stooges?
I think someone else may have. Just a guess.
Quangormo
11-29-05, 12:12 AM
Wasn't Sori a SS in the minors?
Stupid Flanders
11-29-05, 12:17 AM
I think someone else may have. Just a guess.
they were posted at the same time you big jerk
A-Rod said he struggles with fly balls, so I don't see how that would work.
I remember Jeter saying the same thing and then adding that if he couldnt be a shortstop he would like to be a 2nd baseman.
apolansk
11-29-05, 12:24 AM
Wasn't Sori a SS in the minors?
Yes.
Trade him for Matsui.
Put him in LF.
Do not trade JoPo for Abreu.
Do not sign Giles
Trade Giambi for converted middle infielder. Maybe Julio Franco?
Sign Furcal.
Then we would have:
Posada-C(2b)
Franco-1b(ss)
Cano-2b
Furcal-ss
Rodriguez-3b(ss)
Soriano-LF(ss/2b)
Jeter-CF(ss)
Sheffield-RF(ss)
Cairo-DH(2b/ss)
A dream all middle infielder lineup.
/end sarcasm
Stupid Flanders
11-29-05, 01:10 AM
Hey Sheffield played third too
I'd rather have Nomar than Furcal he's more versitile
DontHateOnNumber2
11-29-05, 02:09 AM
A-Rod said he struggles with fly balls, so I don't see how that would work.
I think Jeter once said he wouldn't be able to because he feels awkward when catching fly balls over his shoulder.
sugmasterflex
11-29-05, 02:43 AM
Get Furcal on the phone.
You would do 5/50M for Furcal?
Mattingly Sideburns
11-29-05, 03:45 AM
Now that Joe has done it, does this mark the official point where it's ok to wonder aloud whether Jeter should move?
Jeter to CF, ARod to SS, sign Bill Mueller. Much easier than finding a CF right now.
The Comic Book Guy
11-29-05, 04:18 AM
Jeter, the Yankees' shortstop, said Knoblauch was more adjustable than he is.
"I can't judge fly balls," Jeter said.
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/media/paper410/news/2001/03/20/Sports/Knoblauchs.Throwing.Troubles.May.Force.Him.To.Play.Left.Field-699218.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.dailytexanonline.com
Yankees13
11-29-05, 05:02 AM
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/media/paper410/news/2001/03/20/Sports/Knoblauchs.Throwing.Troubles.May.Force.Him.To.Play.Left.Field-699218.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.dailytexanonline.com
Should a nearly 5 year old article in which Jeter is apparently taking a light hearted tone in a self-deprecating way really be a basis for shooting down this move when there is evidence to the contrary of his statement that he can't judge flyballs?
BennyTheJetRodriguez
11-29-05, 05:33 AM
I like how the article calls Bubba Crosby a defensive specialist. I always find it interesting how being terrible on one side of the ball can make you overrated on the other side.
I never took Jeter to CF seriously, but always thought it should be considered. I like the Mueller Idea, but I think If Furcal or Nomar were added it would make alot more sence to just stick them in Center. With Jeter finally having good back to back defensive seasons and Arod adapting to third so quickly I don't think this is the year to do this. If every Center Field option falls through and they don't want to give Thompson a try, then you revisit this. Again IMO Bubba Crosby is not a major league quality starter.
PeteRFNY
11-29-05, 05:48 AM
I'm shocked that Torre mentions such famous converted outfielders as Mantle and Murcer, but neglects to mention Chuck Knoblauch. Tsk, tsk.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
11-29-05, 05:50 AM
I'm shocked that Torre mentions such famous converted outfielders as Mantle and Murcer, but neglects to mention Chuck Knoblauch. Tsk, tsk.
Knobby was a pretty bad outfielder, thats probably why.
ring403
11-29-05, 06:54 AM
You would do 5/50M for Furcal?Much faster than I'd give someone like Damon 3 years. Furcal will very likely still be a productive player when the contract was done, at age 33.
hugelongtermdeal
11-29-05, 07:08 AM
Now that Joe has done it, does this mark the official point where it's ok to wonder aloud whether Jeter should move?
Jeter to CF, ARod to SS, sign Bill Mueller. Much easier than finding a CF right now.
This makes a lot of sense. You guys would love Mueller in pinstripes. He is a pro's pro. The sox are going to miss him.
Also, I think Jeter would make a great CF.
ReggieBar
11-29-05, 07:28 AM
This makes a lot of sense. You guys would love Mueller in pinstripes. He is a pro's pro. The sox are going to miss him.
Also, I think Jeter would make a great CF.
I'm sorry, but I am not moving both Arod and Jeter for Bill Mueller. If the Yanks had a legit SS prospect (maybe Nunez in a few years?), then it would be worth it.
This makes a lot of sense. You guys would love Mueller in pinstripes. He is a pro's pro. The sox are going to miss him.
Also, I think Jeter would make a great CF.
And Mueller plays a very solid 3B. Very interesting idea.
effdamets
11-29-05, 07:45 AM
Yes, I think Boston will miss a guy like Mueller. But, the Yankees have very little chance of having him in pinstripes. Then again, I don't know how much first base experience he has, if he would be willing to play firstbase, or if he is any good at it.
I don't believe that Jeter would be a good outfielder. (and I know I'll get bashed for this, but...) Jeter gets bad jumps, which is why his infield range is limited. A-Rod is probably more suited to make the move. He is bigger and longer, plus his arm is a ton stronger. Anyway, I don't think any of this is happening. I thought I read somewhere that A-Rod doesn't believe in himself when it comes to judging flyballs. And if a player doesn't believe he can do something, then he can't.
There is something up Cashman's sleeve here. It won't be blockbuster calibur, but, it will be a nice fit. (I think Brian has been camping out with Stick lately, or at least I hope he has)....
See, I think this is very important. Let's pretend Jeter is willing to give up his beloved SS position to take over the reigns of probably the most elite of all NYY positions, the center field. Now we have a huge hole at short. We could move ARod, but the man has excelled at third, and without his defense at 3rd would not have beaten Ortiz for the MVP. I'd rather not move two of our players when one would suffice. There has to be someone on the free agent market or in our system who can play short. Whatever happened to that kid who filled in in 2003 when Jeter dislocated his shoulder? I'm blanking on the name. He wasn't great, but by now he should be ready or he should be in a different system.
Arod is a natural SS- much better than Jeter ever was. SS gives him more time to get to balls- 3B is more of a reaction position. He didn't win the MVP because his 3B defense was sp sterling- but because Shrek didn't play the filed at all
He's a stellar SS and the team would be much stronger with him there
PS
Interesting that Torre let this loose- you know the press is going to be all over this ( I'm sure some of them read this site ) and it could become an "issue"
I'm sorry, but I am not moving both Arod and Jeter for Bill Mueller. If the Yanks had a legit SS prospect (maybe Nunez in a few years?), then it would be worth it.
Why in the world woulf you need a SS prospect when Arod is an excellent SS. Meuller is just filler- not the reason for the move to be made. This would make the infield much better defensively
ReggieBar
11-29-05, 07:53 AM
Why in the world woulf you need a SS prospect when Arod is an excellent SS. Meuller is just filler- not the reason for the move to be made. This would make the infield much better defensively
What do we do in a year or two then? My point was that I would like a younger, talented player to fill either SS or 3b if I am moving Jeter to CF.
they were posted at the same time you big jerk
That just may be the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.
yanksrule69
11-29-05, 07:54 AM
I highly doubt this would happen but it is good to see them at least thinking about all possible options. If one of them goes to CF it would have to be Jeter with A-Rod moving back to short. It only makes sense to put the superior player back at his natural position and moving the player who would be better at CF.
Yanks Lifer
11-29-05, 07:54 AM
I'm sorry, but I am not moving both Arod and Jeter for Bill Mueller. If the Yanks had a legit SS prospect (maybe Nunez in a few years?), then it would be worth it.
Tough call here. The good part is Mueller seems like a Brosius redo. The bad part is I don't see A-Rod staying at SS if he moves again given his increased body size from his early 20s. Seems he'd be like Ripken and head back to 3B eventually.
I don't see it happening, but IF someone were to move it should be Jeter. Then leave A-Rod at 3B and try to sign Furcal for SS. Like I said, don't see it happening though.
NewEraYanks2527
11-29-05, 07:56 AM
I like this setup.
Move Jeter to CF, let A-Rod go back to SS and sign Bill Mueller at third. Personally I like that idea and Mueller is solid at third and has always been my favorite member of the Red Sox. As many people have said A-Rod's natural position is at SS
Yankee Steve
11-29-05, 08:07 AM
I think you sign Furcal. If he can play center, you leave Jeter and Arod where they are. If he cannot (which I doubt), you move him to Short and Jeter plays Center. The idea of Mueller is interesting, but he has little power and little speed. With Furcal, you bat him leadoff and he can steal you 50 bases, regardless of where he plays.
bostonyankeefan
11-29-05, 08:17 AM
Now that Joe has done it, does this mark the official point where it's ok to wonder aloud whether Jeter should move?
Jeter to CF, ARod to SS, sign Bill Mueller. Much easier than finding a CF right now.
That would not bother me at all. Mueller is a very good ballplayer. Plays hard-keeps his mouth shut and hits well with guys on base.
MisterNovember
11-29-05, 08:25 AM
I still have my doubts that Jeter can play a decent CF, but if he CAN, I really like the plan of Mueller at 3B and ARod at SS.
On a side note, I'm very surprised that Torre mentioned this to the media, even if it is being considered.
silverdsl
11-29-05, 08:28 AM
How likely is this to happen? Not very imo, when the back-up plan if they can't aquire an outside centerfielder is to stick Bubba Crosby out there. So putting Jeter or A-Rod in CF is the back-up to the back-up plan and there might even be several other emergency back-up plans to go to before approaching either one of them about considering a change of position. But if it ever happens I hope that they will decide to do it prior to spring training to give Jeter or A-Rod the opportunity to get used to playing a new position before the regular season starts.
-Deborah
I think you sign Furcal. If he can play center, you leave Jeter and Arod where they are. If he cannot (which I doubt), you move him to Short and Jeter plays Center. The idea of Mueller is interesting, but he has little power and little speed. With Furcal, you bat him leadoff and he can steal you 50 bases, regardless of where he plays.
Why would you bat Furcal leadoff?
ReggieBar
11-29-05, 08:32 AM
That would not bother me at all. Mueller is a very good ballplayer. Plays hard-keeps his mouth shut and hits well with guys on base.
Mueller is a nice player. But at 34, he would be a stop-gap player. What happens when we need to find another third baseman? What if there isn't one on the market at the time? Do we play musical chairs again? I say this only makes sense if their is a longer-term option at third (or short if you keep Arod at third.)
Seamonk
11-29-05, 08:33 AM
Why do so many people want Cairo on the Yankees? Especially in a starting role.
I can think of a lot of people who would like to see Cairo on the Yankees.
They're called Met fans...
MisterNovember
11-29-05, 08:34 AM
Mueller is a nice player. But at 34, he would be a stop-gap player. What happens when we need to find another third baseman? What if there isn't one on the market at the time? Do we play musical chairs again? I say this only makes sense if their is a longer-term option at third (or short if you keep Arod at third.)
Mueller could be a stop-gap until Duncan is ready to come up in 2007 or 2008.
Dr. Gonzo
11-29-05, 08:37 AM
See, I think this is very important. Let's pretend Jeter is willing to give up his beloved SS position to take over the reigns of probably the most elite of all NYY positions, the center field. Now we have a huge hole at short. We could move ARod, but the man has excelled at third, and without his defense at 3rd would not have beaten Ortiz for the MVP. I'd rather not move two of our players when one would suffice. There has to be someone on the free agent market or in our system who can play short. Whatever happened to that kid who filled in in 2003 when Jeter dislocated his shoulder? I'm blanking on the name. He wasn't great, but by now he should be ready or he should be in a different system.
Someone hitting like arod at short is more valuable and rarer then someone at 3rd. Arod wins the mvp playing SS anyway.
More balls go to short, have the better SS there.
I would think that Jeter will have to respond to this, especially since Joe put it out there. I doubt he is happy, but every reporter will be bugging him about it.
I have to think is a ploy of some sorts to get Jeter to CF.
This is crazy talk, you hear me, CRAZY TALK!
John, why don't you start a thread with a poll to see who would favor moving Jeter to CF?
Seriously, though... move Jeter to CF, A-Rod at 3B, sign Furcal to play CF and Nomar to be the utility IF.
stephsamps
11-29-05, 08:42 AM
See, I think this is very important. Let's pretend Jeter is willing to give up his beloved SS position to take over the reigns of probably the most elite of all NYY positions, the center field. Now we have a huge hole at short. We could move ARod, but the man has excelled at third, and without his defense at 3rd would not have beaten Ortiz for the MVP. I'd rather not move two of our players when one would suffice.
I am quoting the part that I agree with... :)
Derek Jeter is an excellent shortstop. Alex Rodriguez WAS an excellent shortstop and IS an excellent third baseman. We don't know if Derek Jeter will be an excellent center fielder. He's a great athlete, so it is possible, but you are talking about shifting the core of the team for something that might not work. I am not talking about who is the better shortstop. I think that argument has been beat to death. My main fear about something like this is moving a very successful player to a position that he may not be successful in.
That being said, you also don't move a Derek Jeter for an Erick Almonte, Enrique Wilson or otherwise. I think it creates more issues than it solves. As far as Furcal is concerned, I would be more open to seeing him move to CF than Jeter, I am sure there will be many who will disagree ;)
stephsamps
11-29-05, 08:43 AM
Why would you bat Furcal leadoff?
BECAUSE HE IS FAST!!!! ;)
BECAUSE HE IS FAST!!!! ;)
Speed = Championships :D
NYYBombshell
11-29-05, 08:48 AM
Do Not Move Derek.
Do Not Move Alex.
effdamets
11-29-05, 08:49 AM
Do Not Move Derek.
Do Not Move Alex.
Very well said....
Do Not Move Derek.
Do Not Move Alex.Yep. Let's sign Furcal to play CF.
NYYBombshell
11-29-05, 08:52 AM
Very well said....
I see zero point in this. ZERO. In the strange, odd and completely stupid chance one of them does get moved, I can guarantee you that the second one of them misplays a ball or drops a ball...........................this forum will want that guy's head. "Is Torre a moron?! Rodriguez/Jeter is an infielder! What a stupid move!!"
Captain Yankee
11-29-05, 08:54 AM
There is no way you can commit five years to Furcal, at that money (50 million) to play a position he has never played before. You might as well go with someone from within the organization if you are going to do that. I really like the idea that the Yankees are willing to "think outside the box." Let's look at this logically. AROD was a legit Gold Glove SS. There is no doubt about this. Jeter will be a marked improvement over having Bernie Williams in CF last season. This also opens the door for us to sign a stop gap solution at 3rd base (like Nomar or Bill Mueller) who we can sign to keep the spot open for Duncan. Doesn't this make more sense than having to give up Wang and/or Cano to get back Milton Bradley, Brad Wilkerson, Juan Pierre, etc. or signing Johnny Damon to a multi year deal?
There is no way you can commit five years to Furcal, at that money (50 million) to play a position he has never played before. You might as well go with someone from within the organization if you are going to do that. I really like the idea that the Yankees are willing to "think outside the box." Let's look at this logically. AROD was a legit Gold Glove SS. There is no doubt about this. Jeter will be a marked improvement over having Bernie Williams in CF last season. This also opens the door for us to sign a stop gap solution at 3rd base (like Nomar or Bill Mueller) who we can sign to keep the spot open for Duncan. Doesn't this make more sense than having to give up Wang and/or Cano to get back Milton Bradley, Brad Wilkerson, Juan Pierre, etc. or signing Johnny Damon to a multi year deal?Duncan is never going to be an adequate 3B. His future lies at 1B.
dabomb2045
11-29-05, 08:57 AM
I'd love to see Jeter in CF, ARod back at short where he belongs...and sign someone like Bill Mueller
I think DJ would be an excellent OF...he has all the tools
Captain Yankee
11-29-05, 08:58 AM
Duncan is never going to be an adequate 3B. His future lies at 1B.
How do we know this? The kid has been playing 3rd base in the minors so far. They have only experimented with moving him to 1st base as a possible solution at first base down the road when Giambi has to be moved to full time DH. Even if Duncan moves to 1st base---its probably easier to find a 3rd baseman on the free agent market than a Center Fielder for the forseeable future.
NYYBombshell
11-29-05, 08:59 AM
I'd love to see Jeter in CF, ARod back at short where he belongs...and sign someone like Bill Mueller
I think DJ would be an excellent OF...he has all the tools
He's a shortstop, not a CF. If he wanted to be a CF, he would be one already. Why do people want him to do something he's never done before.......for sh*ts and giggles?
dabomb2045
11-29-05, 09:01 AM
He's a shortstop, not a CF. If he wanted to be a CF, he would be one already. Why do people want him to do something he's never done before.......for sh*ts and giggles?
Robin Yount was a shortstop for the first part of his career too....until the Brewers felt his skills would translate well as a CF. And sure enough Yount made the move out to CF....didnt seem to hurt his Hall of Fame career all that much.
No reason DJ couldnt do it, especially if it strengthen the team. Regardless of his Gold Glove status...he isnt a good defensive SS.
Robin Yount was a shortstop for the first part of his career too....until the Brewers felt his skills would translate well as a CF. And sure enough Yount made the move out to CF....didnt seem to hurt his Hall of Fame career all that much.
No reason DJ couldnt do it, especially if it strengthen the team. Regardless of his Gold Glove status...he isnt a good defensive SS.
Also A-rod was a pretty bad 3B this year. I would like to see this happen.
NYYBombshell
11-29-05, 09:05 AM
Robin Yount was a shortstop for the first part of his career too....until the Brewers felt his skills would translate well as a CF. And sure enough Yount made the move out to CF....didnt seem to hurt his Hall of Fame career all that much.
No reason DJ couldnt do it, especially if it strengthen the team. Regardless of his Gold Glove status...he isnt a good defensive SS.
Because it worked for some, doesn't mean it will work for all. If Derek already has problems at SS, why would you want to magnify those problems and put him in the expanse that is CF at Yankee Stadium? You'd think you'd want to minimize problems instead of highlighting them. If people already say that he plays hops poorly or can't judge fly balls.......CF is not the position you want someone with those problems to play.
NYYBombshell
11-29-05, 09:06 AM
Also A-rod was a pretty bad 3B this year. I would like to see this happen.
A-Rod's also a dirty choker.........we should just trade him.
How do we know this? The kid has been playing 3rd base in the minors so far. They have only experimented with moving him to 1st base as a possible solution at first base down the road when Giambi has to be moved to full time DH. Even if Duncan moves to 1st base---its probably easier to find a 3rd baseman on the free agent market than a Center Fielder for the forseeable future.No. The reason they moved him 1B was that he was TERRIBLE at 3B and there was no future for him there (A-Rod).
He's a horrid, horrid 3B.
dabomb2045
11-29-05, 09:08 AM
Because it worked for some, doesn't mean it will work for all. If Derek already has problems at SS, why would you want to magnify those problems and put him in the expanse that is CF at Yankee Stadium? You'd think you'd want to minimize problems instead of highlighting them. If people already say that he plays hops poorly or can't judge fly balls.......CF is not the position you want someone with those problems to play.
Jeter plays hops fine, his problem is that he doesnt have much range ESPECIALLY up the middle. But range on groundballs and range on flyballs are two different things. Judging by the jumps he gets on pop-ups to shallow OF, I would venture to say getting jumps in CF would not be an issue for him...and his speed would definetly help him.
stephsamps
11-29-05, 09:09 AM
Also A-rod was a pretty bad 3B this year. I would like to see this happen.
He was??? He had a shaky start, but was pretty damn good for the last 3/4 of the season
No reason DJ couldnt do it, especially if it strengthen the team. Regardless of his Gold Glove status...he isnt a good defensive SS.
The thing is, this isn't DJ vs. AROD (again...). You are talking about shaking up the entire left hand side of the infield AND putting someone in the OF who has never played there. He COULD be great, but he also could suck and then you just shifted the entire team around for what?
A-Rod's also a dirty choker.........we should just trade him.
Someone posted the defensive stats in ATM. He was a horrible 3B last year. Bomby you know that A-rod's one of my favorite players but you have to admit, he was pretty bad at third last year.
NYYBombshell
11-29-05, 09:11 AM
Jeter plays hops fine, his problem is that he doesnt have much range ESPECIALLY up the middle. But range on groundballs and range on flyballs are two different things. Judging by the jumps he gets on pop-ups to shallow OF, I would venture to say getting jumps in CF would not be an issue for him...and his speed would definetly help him.
Yeah, but that's shallow OF.
Not all the way to the warning track.
He's a SS. Until I see him play the position in ST with some ease, I don't want it.
Someone posted the defensive stats in ATM. He was a horrible 3B last year. Bomby you know that A-rod's one of my favorite players but you have to admit, he was pretty bad at third last year.Look Sam, I trust my eye. I saw A-Rod stink it up the first 1/3, 1/2 of the season. The second 1/2, he was pretty outstanding. I think he put it together. There's no denying he's a great athlete and is doing a pretty fantastic job in his second year at 3B.
NYYBombshell
11-29-05, 09:13 AM
Someone posted the defensive stats in ATM. He was a horrible 3B last year. Bomby you know that A-rod's one of my favorite players but you have to admit, he was pretty bad at third last year.
I thought you were being funny.
I didn't see the post that you're referring to.
dabomb2045
11-29-05, 09:14 AM
He was??? He had a shaky start, but was pretty damn good for the last 3/4 of the season
The thing is, this isn't DJ vs. AROD (again...). You are talking about shaking up the entire left hand side of the infield AND putting someone in the OF who has never played there. He COULD be great, but he also could suck and then you just shifted the entire team around for what?
try it in ST and see if it works....I dont know what the harm in that is. Position switches from the infield to the outfield happen alot more then people think.
Mickey Mantle?? started his career as a SS
wileedog
11-29-05, 09:15 AM
Because it worked for some, doesn't mean it will work for all. If Derek already has problems at SS, why would you want to magnify those problems and put him in the expanse that is CF at Yankee Stadium? You'd think you'd want to minimize problems instead of highlighting them. If people already say that he plays hops poorly or can't judge fly balls.......CF is not the position you want someone with those problems to play.
Jeter's one of the best in the business (for an IFer) at tracking fly balls, which is probably where this whole idea started from.
And for the record, no one wants this for "sh*ts & giggles", its just an idea because the team is absolutely desperate for a CF and seems to have a glut of HOF shortstops at the moment.
I doubt this ever happens on Torre's watch though, and if we're serious about sticking an IFer out there I still think it makes more sense to sign Furcal and give him the job.
jorman318
11-29-05, 09:15 AM
I have 3 words to describe either A-rod or Jeter moving to centerfield: Dumbest Move Ever...lets just send jeter to centerfield then trade all prospects for miguel tejada and sign frank thomas to DH for 13 mill a year, that'll work, yanks are making me sick to my stomach, give the centerfield job to Crosby, great defender with some hitting, you do not need an all-star at every position.
dabomb2045
11-29-05, 09:17 AM
I have 3 words to describe either A-rod or Jeter moving to centerfield: Dumbest Move Ever...lets just send jeter to centerfield then trade all prospects for miguel tejada and sign frank thomas to DH for 13 mill a year, that'll work, yanks are making me sick to my stomach, give the centerfield job to Crosby, great defender with some hitting, you do not need an all-star at every position.
if people really think Bubba Crosby is the answer....well, I really dont know what else to say
play Bubba 150 games in CF and watch him hit .230
I have 3 words to describe either A-rod or Jeter moving to centerfield: Dumbest Move Ever...lets just send jeter to centerfield then trade all prospects for miguel tejada and sign frank thomas to DH for 13 mill a year, that'll work, yanks are making me sick to my stomach, give the centerfield job to Crosby, great defender with some hitting, you do not need an all-star at every position.
I hope you feel better.
I have 3 words to describe either A-rod or Jeter moving to centerfield: Dumbest Move Ever...lets just send jeter to centerfield then trade all prospects for miguel tejada and sign frank thomas to DH for 13 mill a year, that'll work, yanks are making me sick to my stomach, give the centerfield job to Crosby, great defender with some hitting, you do not need an all-star at every position.
Who said anything about signing Frank Thomas?
And in what world is Crosby a great CF and a "hitter"?
MTYankee23
11-29-05, 09:20 AM
I have 3 words to describe either A-rod or Jeter moving to centerfield: Dumbest Move Ever...lets just send jeter to centerfield then trade all prospects for miguel tejada and sign frank thomas to DH for 13 mill a year, that'll work, yanks are making me sick to my stomach, give the centerfield job to Crosby, great defender with some hitting, you do not need an all-star at every position.
Crosby, decent defender, little to no hitting. Let's not get carried away, if we can fortify ourselves elsewhere, he's better than throwing money at a questionable alternative.
I'm not sure why people see moving one of the 2 best athletes in the game to CF would be all that difficult of a switch. And if either didn't feel comfortable doing it, they would likely just say no, and the Yankees will move on and we'd never hear of it again.
Joe and Cashman wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't approach this as a solution.
stephsamps
11-29-05, 09:29 AM
try it in ST and see if it works....I dont know what the harm in that is. Position switches from the infield to the outfield happen alot more then people think.
Mickey Mantle?? started his career as a SS
But the thing is, you have to commit. You need to find another SS/3B. If Jeter doesn't work in CF, what do you do then? Move AROD back to 3B or ditch the 3B/SS you brought in and move Jeter back? Then you still have a hole in CF...
MisterNovember
11-29-05, 09:30 AM
if either didn't feel comfortable doing it, they would likely just say no, and the Yankees will move on and we'd never hear of it again.
Not true at all. Since this is Jeter and ARod we're talking about, if either one said no they would be absoloutly KILLED. The Jeter-haters would be convinced that he's a poser more obsessed with his own legend as Yankee shortstop than helping the team. The ARod haters would just have another reason to call him a prima donna and a jerk.
Personally I'm shocked that Joe mentioned this publicly, considering the players involved. Maybe Jetes has been asked privately before and refused, and this is a way to add a little heat to him? Who knows?
dabomb2045
11-29-05, 09:33 AM
But the thing is, you have to commit. You need to find another SS/3B. If Jeter doesn't work in CF, what do you do then? Move AROD back to 3B or ditch the 3B/SS you brought in and move Jeter back? Then you still have a hole in CF...
well personally...I dont think Jeter would falter in CF. Dont worry...its not gonna happen. Get ready for Bubba Crosby in CF...and someone get me a barf bag.
I think Jeter would be good in CF. He won't suck we know that.
wileedog
11-29-05, 09:36 AM
play Bubba 150 games in CF and watch him hit .230
Well, I watched Bernie out there hitting a very weak .250 last year with no defense whatsoever, so technically its an upgrade.... ;)
I wonder what percent of the Yankee Fans who Post here would be happy to see Jeter in CF.
i would be happy with whatever gets arod back at short..
MTYankee23
11-29-05, 09:37 AM
Not true at all. Since this is Jeter and ARod we're talking about, if either one said no they would be absoloutly KILLED. The Jeter-haters would be convinced that he's a poser more obsessed with his own legend as Yankee shortstop than helping the team. The ARod haters would just have another reason to call him a prima donna and a jerk.
Personally I'm shocked that Joe mentioned this publicly, considering the players involved. Maybe Jetes has been asked privately before and refused, and this is a way to add a little heat to him? Who knows?
No, what happens is, if either is approached and doesn't feel comfortable, Cashman comes out and says, we discussed that as an option, the player(s) were willing, but we decided to go in a different direction. Cash is smart enough not to rake icons over the coals like that, especially in NYC.
stephsamps
11-29-05, 09:38 AM
Personally I'm shocked that Joe mentioned this publicly, considering the players involved. Maybe Jetes has been asked privately before and refused, and this is a way to add a little heat to him? Who knows?
I was too. It seemed out of character and out of the blue. I also thought the shortstops line was odd too. Joe should know that the media would jump all over these comments and really the last thing this team needs is more AROD vs. Jeter...
stephsamps
11-29-05, 09:40 AM
well personally...I dont think Jeter would falter in CF. Dont worry...its not gonna happen. Get ready for Bubba Crosby in CF...and someone get me a barf bag.
I think he probably would succeed, but the price to pay if he fails would be too high. Too much involved.
I also don't think Bubba will be our starting CF. George may be comatose right now, but this is the Yankees and SOMETHING will happen.
MisterNovember
11-29-05, 09:41 AM
I was too. It seemed out of character and out of the blue. I also thought the shortstops line was odd too. Joe should know that the media would jump all over these comments and really the last thing this team needs is more AROD vs. Jeter...
Particularly when Joe referred to them as "the shortstops"...seemed totally out of character.
I think he probably would succeed, but the price to pay if he fails would be too high. Too much involved.
I also don't think Bubba will be our starting CF. George may be comatose right now, but this is the Yankees and SOMETHING will happen.
How will he fail? He's a great athelete with great baseball instincts. He can't be worse than Bernie.
stephsamps
11-29-05, 09:44 AM
How will he fail? He's a great athelete with great baseball instincts. He can't be worse than Bernie.
He has never played the outfield. I have no doubt that he would give it his all and I am 95% convinced that he would be a great CF. But you have that 5% part that if he fails, it would be horrible for the team and the players that you shifted around.
MisterNovember
11-29-05, 09:44 AM
No, what happens is, if either is approached and doesn't feel comfortable, Cashman comes out and says, we discussed that as an option, the player(s) were willing, but we decided to go in a different direction. Cash is smart enough not to rake icons over the coals like that, especially in NYC.
...and everyone would see right through that spin job. This should have been kept under wraps, why Joe decided to open his mouth is beyond me.
Personally, I don't care if Jeter or ARod decided to refuse. It is not easy to learn a new position in baseball, and I can understand these two future HOFers not wanting to embarass themselves under the NY microscope. Alex already had the guts to do this once, which is pretty damn admirable. Unfortunatly, if either one decides to refuse, the NY tabloids and certain irrational fans will jump all over them.
He has never played the outfield. I have no doubt that he would give it his all and I am 95% convinced that he would be a great CF. But you have that 5% part that if he fails, it would be horrible for the team and the players that you shifted around.
How badly would he fail though? And that 5% chance is a risk I'm willing to take.
...and everyone would see right through that spin job. This should have been kept under wraps, why Joe decided to open his mouth is beyond me.
Personally, I don't care if Jeter or ARod decided to refuse. It is not easy to learn a new position in baseball, and I can understand these two future HOFers not wanting to embarass themselves under the NY microscope. Alex already had the guts to do this once, which is pretty damn admirable. Unfortunatly, if either one decides to refuse, the NY tabloids and certain irrational fans will jump all over them.
No ones gonna jump all over Jeter. Trust me.
surge511
11-29-05, 09:47 AM
I do not agree with this move - find an OFer to play OF. Let's not fool around with our best players. Anyways, we have talked about this for years. It has never happened. And Torre did not give any indication that it would actually happen - only that he has thought about it in the past. So let's not get overly excited about something that most likely will never be mentioned publicly again.
stephsamps
11-29-05, 09:49 AM
How badly would he fail though? And that 5% chance is a risk I'm willing to take.
Who knows. The great fear of the unknown. Look, its not just any player that you are talking about doing this. Derek is the captain of the team and has been a huge part of the teams that have won here. He has succeeded at short and the Yankees have succeeded with him at short. You can't say that about him playing center.
It does give us something to talk about though ;).
Apparently, Torre (on the Tony Danza show :eek: ) says he was kidding.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=91296
MTYankee23
11-29-05, 09:54 AM
...and everyone would see right through that spin job. This should have been kept under wraps, why Joe decided to open his mouth is beyond me.
Personally, I don't care if Jeter or ARod decided to refuse. It is not easy to learn a new position in baseball, and I can understand these two future HOFers not wanting to embarass themselves under the NY microscope. Alex already had the guts to do this once, which is pretty damn admirable. Unfortunatly, if either one decides to refuse, the NY tabloids and certain irrational fans will jump all over them.
I don't see either one of those guys refusing. Who would see beyond such a spin job? Are you telling me that if all of a sudden Milton Bradley or Jason Michaels or Brad Wilkerson showed up in CF, we'd all believe that it was because one of those 2 guys refused to play CF. Even at that, I can't see killing them for refusing to make a position switch by saying they wouldn't be comfortable playing the OF. Anyone who passes that off as more than just due dilligence has way too much time on their hands.
Who knows. The great fear of the unknown. Look, its not just any player that you are talking about doing this. Derek is the captain of the team and has been a huge part of the teams that have won here. He has succeeded at short and the Yankees have succeeded with him at short. You can't say that about him playing center.
It does give us something to talk about though ;).
Much to the disbelief of some, I haev faith in DJ. I think he can be a very good CF.
Guys... Torre said it was a joke! Give it up.
:-padlock-
Much to the disbelief of some, I haev faith in DJ. I think he can be a very good CF.
i agree!!! get him away from ss.. a.s.a.p.
Guys... Torre said it was a joke! Give it up.
:-padlock-
damn.. i thought my dreams were coming true :(
ICEBERG18
11-29-05, 10:01 AM
So, i guess this thread will be :-padlock- :-padlock- .
Yay, free thread! So what's everyone having for dinner tonight?
Dooley Womack
11-29-05, 10:03 AM
Now this is the kind of news that excites me. I much prefer Jeter in CF (he can go back on balls with the best of them), and I'd put A-Rod back at ss so he can once again be the best ss in baseball. Hence, the Yanks improve defensively at 2 key positions. That'll open up some good debate: Who should the Yanks go after to play 3rd?
Dooley Womack
11-29-05, 10:04 AM
Oh great. I guess I should read the whole thread before posting.
Yay, free thread! So what's everyone having for dinner tonight?This isn't the LTE Sam.
BronxByTheBay
11-29-05, 10:05 AM
Oh great. I guess I should read the whole thread before posting.
Heh...dumbass.
This isn't the LTE Sam.
Quiet you! I'm having chicken. What are you having?
Dooley Womack
11-29-05, 10:06 AM
He's a shortstop, not a CF. If he wanted to be a CF, he would be one already. Why do people want him to do something he's never done before.......for sh*ts and giggles?
BTW, Mickey Mantle and Bobby Murcer were "shortstops" too.
Jeter would be a better CF than ss.
BTW, Mickey Mantle and Bobby Murcer were "shortstops" too.
Jeter would be a better CF than ss.That argument's been made already.
Dooley Womack
11-29-05, 10:07 AM
Heh...dumbass.
The one frickin positive I've said in the last 2 weeks and it turns out to be a joke. Wooooonderful.
I think we should try and trade for Beltran. What do you guys think?
Quiet you! I'm having chicken. What are you having?It's a little early for lunch. In about an hour, though, I will be eating something - most probably Subway.
The joke is that Torre and Cash consider it just a joke
Dooley Womack
11-29-05, 10:08 AM
That argument's been made already.
About Mantle? In my excitement, I haven't read anything but the first 2 posts and these last 3 saying it's a hoax.
It's a little early for lunch. In about an hour, though, I will be eating something - most probably Subway.
You're gonna eat a whole fu*kin train? :eek:
Dooley Womack
11-29-05, 10:09 AM
The joke is that Torre and Cash consider it just a joke
Isn't THAT the truth.
Zeile, Heredia and F-Rod are the serious stuff to them.
MisterNovember
11-29-05, 10:12 AM
No ones gonna jump all over Jeter. Trust me.
People on this forum have criticized Jeter in the past for not moving to 2B or 3B, and for not VOLUNTEERING for the CF position. Now that he's most likely going to be asked, if he refuses I guarantee that there will be some backlash.
Personally, I don't care. As long as Joe, Cash, and (most importantly) Derek think that he can play CF, I'm all for it. If not, I'm just as happy with him winning Gold Gloves at SS.
EDIT: I'm a moron. When did Joe Torre grow a sense of humor???
People on this forum have criticized Jeter in the past for not moving to 2B or 3B, and for not VOLUNTEERING for the CF position. Now that he's most likely going to be asked, if he refuses I guarantee that there will be some backlash.
Personally, I don't care. As long as Joe, Cash, and (most importantly) Derek think that he can play CF, I'm all for it. If not, I'm just as happy with him winning Gold Gloves at SS.
Oh, I thought you meant that if he fails in CF people are gonna blame him.
About Mantle? In my excitement, I haven't read anything but the first 2 posts and these last 3 saying it's a hoax.Yep. Someone else raised that - and Murcer, too.
You're gonna eat a whole fu*kin train? :eek:Come to the LTE.
Oh great. I guess I should read the whole thread before posting.
That's a lesson well learned.
nyctalopia
11-29-05, 10:48 AM
Free thread? Ok then ...
RED SOX SUCK!
have a nice day!
sugmasterflex
11-29-05, 11:07 AM
Jeter to CF, A-Rod to SS, and signing a defensive minded 3B would be one of the best moves the Yanks can make. But hey, why bring logic into this?
nycdoc999
11-29-05, 11:16 AM
If we were gonna move Jeter to CF and Arod to SS, then we should have just jumped in the Beckett sweepstakes and taken Lowell for a year. Would have at least made a little more sense at that point, and then we could dump Pavano for some bullpen help...
sigh...
It's now on ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2240207
whalers
11-29-05, 11:27 AM
If we were gonna move Jeter to CF and Arod to SS, then we should have just jumped in the Beckett sweepstakes and taken Lowell for a year. Would have at least made a little more sense at that point, and then we could dump Pavano for some bullpen help...
sigh...
Has anyone seen the thread in Inisde the Lines. It looks like Torre cleared up the article from reuters.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=91296
Has anyone seen the thread in Inisde the Lines. It looks like Torre cleared up the article from reuters.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=91296Yep, we're aware :)
:-padlock-
Dooley Womack
11-29-05, 11:31 AM
That's a lesson well learned. :roflmao: :roflmao:
Spoken by the man who could teach us a lesson or two about that. ;)
Captain Yankee
11-29-05, 11:41 AM
Torre still opened up a can of worms with that article though. Maybe Torre's playing his cards close to the vest. Maybe he's just kidding around with Tony Danza that this article has no basis. (As you can see I'm grasping at straws).
NewEraYanks2527
11-29-05, 11:42 AM
If we were gonna move Jeter to CF and Arod to SS, then we should have just jumped in the Beckett sweepstakes and taken Lowell for a year. Would have at least made a little more sense at that point, and then we could dump Pavano for some bullpen help...
sigh...
That really doesnt make much sense seeing as how it would have cost Wang AND Cano to get Beckett and Lowell here. Seriously people let the Beckett thing go.
I think instead of reading the Daily News or Newsday or the Post or the Bergan Record or the Times or the Ledger or espn.com or sportline or foxsports or listening to WFAN or ESPN Radio, we should all just watch this Tony Danza Show for all the Baseball rumors & scoops.
NewEraYanks2527
11-29-05, 11:46 AM
I think instead of reading the Daily News or Newsday or the Post or the Bergan Record or the Times or the Ledger or espn.com or sportline or foxsports or listening to WFAN or ESPN Radio, we should all just watch this Tony Danza Show for all the Baseball rumors & scoops.
:lol: I have to say that made my day.
Quangormo
11-29-05, 11:46 AM
It's likely just talk but it's probably easier to replace the SS (at least in the current market) than the CF.
We could sign Furcal or even Nomar. If we do that, then grab a corner OF like Giles or a 1B like Konerko, either Giambi or Sheffield can DH.
Or we could trade for Wilkerson and field a lineup something like this:
1. Furcal/Garciaparra, SS
2. Wilkerson, RF/1B
3. Jeter, CF
4. Rodriguez, 3B
5. Sheffield, RF/DH
6. Giambi, 1B/DH
7. Matsui, LF
8. Posada, C
9. Cano, 2B
NewEraYanks2527
11-29-05, 11:53 AM
It's likely just talk but it's probably easier to replace the SS (at least in the current market) than the CF.
We could sign Furcal or even Nomar. If we do that, then grab a corner OF like Giles or a 1B like Konerko, either Giambi or Sheffield can DH.
Or we could trade for Wilkerson and field a lineup something like this:
1. Furcal/Garciaparra, SS
2. Wilkerson, RF/1B
3. Jeter, CF
4. Rodriguez, 3B
5. Sheffield, RF/DH
6. Giambi, 1B/DH
7. Matsui, LF
8. Posada, C
9. Cano, 2B
Why are you having Jeter bat 3rd?
Mean Linguine
11-29-05, 12:24 PM
Here's my suggestion if DJ is put in CF:
Derek Jeter in CF, A-Rod in SS, and sign Bill Mueller to play 3B.
But in reality, DJ or A-Rod will not be in CF.
That would be a pretty good scenario. But you're right, it's not happening.
I don't think Reuters twisted Joe's words. I think he said what was on his mind at the time, even if he knew it was a longshot, but backtracked after he saw the reaction.
It actually makes a bit of sense, though. Center field is a glamour position and Jeter is our glamour player, the closest thing we have to DiMaggio. And the guy is awesome at tracking down fly balls and taking charge.
YankeeBunny
11-29-05, 12:29 PM
No ones gonna jump all over Jeter. Trust me.
Speak for yourself :P
As long as they dont move arod to clean-up we're doing fine - LOL
BobbyMurcerFan
11-29-05, 12:37 PM
...
I'm not sure why people see moving one of the 2 best athletes in the game to CF would be all that difficult of a switch.Because playing CF is hard. And the size of YS's CF makes it even harder.
For example: Melky Cabrera has played more OF than Jeter but looked lost out there. Matsui is a natural CFer but doesn't have the speed. Bernie had the speed but never the instincts (even after playing the position for 15 seasons). Tony Womack is faster than Jeter but couldn't play ML quality CF. Knobby (fast, good athlete) played a barely adequate LF (easier position than CF).
Making a switch of defensive position is difficult.
MisterNovember
11-29-05, 01:17 PM
It's likely just talk but it's probably easier to replace the SS (at least in the current market) than the CF.
We could sign Furcal or even Nomar. If we do that, then grab a corner OF like Giles or a 1B like Konerko, either Giambi or Sheffield can DH.
Or we could trade for Wilkerson and field a lineup something like this:
1. Furcal/Garciaparra, SS
2. Wilkerson, RF/1B
3. Jeter, CF
4. Rodriguez, 3B
5. Sheffield, RF/DH
6. Giambi, 1B/DH
7. Matsui, LF
8. Posada, C
9. Cano, 2B
Not a bad idea, but Nomar can't play a serviceable SS anymore. If he was on the team, ARod would have to move back to SS and Nomar play third. Furcal probably isn't an option, as he's going to be very expensive and the Yanks most likely will not want to take on a lot of salary.
This is all a pipe dream anyway, Jeter's not going anywhere
ryanthe13th
11-29-05, 01:21 PM
Less talk, more:
:-padlock- :-padlock- :-padlock- :-padlock- :-padlock- :-padlock- :-padlock-
What about Jeter for setup man?
NYYBombshell
11-29-05, 01:33 PM
I'm not reading through the rest of the posts in this thread, but you are aware that Joe Torre said it was a joke, and that he even said Mo could play CF and the reporter didn't put that in the article.
It's a moot point now, so close the thread.
C-BUS CLIPPER
11-29-05, 01:58 PM
Cash squashes all of this....
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5119376
This is why I detest the media so much. They will twist a story around just to make headlines.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051129&content_id=1273581&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
Torre says he also mentioned Mariano Rivera as a possibility, citing his athletic ability. The writer, Larry Fine, did not include that in his story.
wow the writer is a stooge, i would have never guessed :P
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051129&content_id=1273581&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
wow the writer is a stooge, i would have never guessed :P
Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck!
bigguygonz
11-29-05, 08:40 PM
If I were Joe, I would put Jeter in CF and A-Rod at SS the 1st day of spring training, and tell them to blow every play they attempt just to end this debate...
The only way they should consider this is if they can bring Sojo back to play 3B instead of coaching it, but that bridge may be burned... oh well.
BTW, why is everyone so opposed to playing Bubba Crosby? He fine defensively, let's get the kid some ABs and see what he can do. Isn't anyone else tired of the Yankees offseason being run like a fantasy draft? Especially with the results we've been seeing...
http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/108/8202/640/Bubba.jpg
Dr. Gonzo
11-29-05, 08:43 PM
Torre has said that he thinks that Mo would have made a good CF, and that he always shags balls out there.
I think that comment was Joe saying what a good athlete and baseball player he was, and was never insinuating he would throw him out there.
It's totally different from the Jeter to CF thing, which is a feasible and in my opinion an appropiate move. I think Jeter would excel in short and make his career even greater. Disagree if you want, but none of us know anything. Except that his range stinks at SS.
in the end the most important thing is the context he said it in, and the fox article looks like he was asked the question and gave a comment on what could be done. It is not like he brought it up as a solution to CF. He was asked if Jeter or arod could do it, and he said they could and would for the team.
NYYWilliams51
11-29-05, 10:48 PM
I have 3 words to describe either A-rod or Jeter moving to centerfield: Dumbest Move Ever...lets just send jeter to centerfield then trade all prospects for miguel tejada and sign frank thomas to DH for 13 mill a year, that'll work, yanks are making me sick to my stomach, give the centerfield job to Crosby, great defender with some hitting, you do not need an all-star at every position.
So you don't want to run this team like you're playing Dynasty mode in MVP Baseball?
AMYanks
11-29-05, 11:15 PM
So you don't want to run this team like you're playing Dynasty mode in MVP Baseball?
If the "Trade Override" option is turned on, I'd love to!
Proctor for Pujols. Book it.
NewEraYanks2527
11-29-05, 11:25 PM
So you don't want to run this team like you're playing Dynasty mode in MVP Baseball? I hate the damn computer GMs in that, I offer them a younger guy who is better just to make the roster right and they always reject my ................ing trade. Son of a bitch computer AI, and no I dont play with Trade Override on.
ChrisV82
11-30-05, 01:19 AM
I tried to keep up with all the trades this past season, but the AI was having none of it. "What do you mean you won't accept this trade? YOU DID IT IN REAL LIFE!"
ring403
11-30-05, 06:56 AM
http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks304533120nov30,0,401409.story?coll=ny-yankees-print
But the blockbuster position switch - the most likely of which would be moving Jeter out of a position he's held for 10 years to replace Bernie Williams, and then having Rodriguez slide over to shortstop - was a topic of conversation among fans on Internet message boards and talk radio.
The reporter for Reuters, Larry Fine, said yesterday he floated the idea to Torre while he was interviewing him at a promotional event on Monday night, and said they discussed the logistics about such a drastic position change for "three to four minutes."
Torre was even asked about it while on "The Tony Danza Show," and he shot it down. "That's when people who write articles write what they want to write," he said. "I also told that writer that Mariano Rivera could play centerfield. He didn't write that."
Fine, who refused to play the tape for Newsday, acknowledged that Torre brought up Rivera's name, saying he is a good enough athlete to excel in center, but Fine said it was obvious Torre was not serious.
He felt that wasn't the case with Rodriguez and Jeter.
After hearing how the Yankees were reacting, Fine listened to his tape again, and pointed to Torre saying "we've thought about it," and, "it certainly is a consideration" as proof.
"I stand by what I wrote in the story," he said.
And Torre was sticking to his story, as well. Through a team spokesman, Torre said, "They're good athletes and they could probably do it, but we haven't discussed it."
Jeter to center? Joe says "no," but media types like Murray Chass of the NY Times still wonder "why not?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/30/sports/baseball/30chass.html
Chass quotes Bobby Murcer as saying Jeter would quickly nab a Gold Glove as a centerfielder.
I agree, given Jeter's talent and baseball instincts, but I also suspect Derek could learn how to throw a nasty knuckleball if he wanted to. The guy could play every position, like Bugs Bunny, but let's leave him at short. Why try to re-invent Jeter? Why shuffle the left side of our infield when there are more important adjustments, and additions to make?
I like the idea of Mo in centerfield. Heck, he could play eight innings out there, then come in to close in the ninth. No one ever hits a ball to centerfield when he's pitching anyway. ;)
38Special
11-30-05, 08:22 AM
Jeter to center? Joe says "no," but media types like Murray Chass of the NY Times still wonder "why not?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/30/sports/baseball/30chass.html
Chass quotes Bobby Murcer as saying Jeter would quickly nab a Gold Glove as a centerfielder.
I agree, given Jeter's talent and baseball instincts, but I also suspect Derek could learn how to throw a nasty knuckleball if he wanted to. The guy could play every position, like Bugs Bunny, but let's leave him at short. Why try to re-invent Jeter? Why shuffle the left side of our infield when there are more important adjustments, and additions to make?
Bobby Murcer was a horrible shortstop, Jeter has mediocre range to his left but hes far from bad. Not gold glove caliber as some like to think, but he does a good enough job that moving him to CF would be bad news
Bobby Murcer was a horrible shortstop, Jeter has mediocre range to his left but hes far from bad. Not gold glove caliber as some like to think, but he does a good enough job that moving him to CF would be bad news
I think people will keep speculating about this until Jeter says he absolutely does not want centerfield.
If Jeter thought he could serve the team better in center, he'd he the first to suggest it to Torre. If that happens, (of course I seriously doubt it will) I'm all for it.
38Special
11-30-05, 08:31 AM
I hope people keep speculating and i hope Jeter and Torre agree that it's a bad idea
mycroft
11-30-05, 08:58 AM
This is just crazy talk. Bubba is good enough, just let him play.
Thank you. I hope this is just thinking out loud. I am tired of watching infielders trying to play the outfield. Bubba is certainly a better choice than breaking up the left side of the infield.
silverdsl
11-30-05, 09:15 AM
I'd be surprised if the topic of Jeter or A-Rod moving to the outfield has never, ever been discussed. I don't mean seriously in terms of this is what we should think about doing but in terms of Torre and Co. evaluating whether they might be able to play the outfield. If we've discussed it multiple times here it seems to me that it must have come up a time or two even in idle chit-chat.
I think Torre probably did make those comments to the reporter but probably failed to clarify that the Yankees weren't seriously thinking about making a move like that. I can't blame the reporter for writing a story like he did based on what Torre said, particularly during the off-season when news is pretty slow.
-Deborah
sugmasterflex
11-30-05, 09:28 AM
Bobby Murcer was a horrible shortstop, Jeter has mediocre range to his left but hes far from bad. Not gold glove caliber as some like to think, but he does a good enough job that moving him to CF would be bad news
IMO, Jeter would be a better CF than a SS.
I'd be surprised if the topic of Jeter or A-Rod moving to the outfield has never, ever been discussed. I don't mean seriously in terms of this is what we should think about doing but in terms of Torre and Co. evaluating whether they might be able to play the outfield. If we've discussed it multiple times here it seems to me that it must have come up a time or two even in idle chit-chat.
I think Torre probably did make those comments to the reporter but probably failed to clarify that the Yankees weren't seriously thinking about making a move like that. I can't blame the reporter for writing a story like he did based on what Torre said, particularly during the off-season when news is pretty slow.
-Deborah
The problem I have with the initial Reuters story is that Torre apparently said a lot more on the subject than the writer revealed. (doesnt he now say that they spoke for several minutes?) It seems the writer trumped up a few quotes to make it a bigger story, which is what a lot of writers do.
The quotes we read may represent Joe's exact words, but it seems they were not presented to us in proper context. When Joe starts talking about Rivera as a centerfielder in the same discussion as A-rod and Jeter, you have to know he's not being completely serious, and you have to be responsible enough to tell the whole story.
I have no reason to doubt Cashman's claim that he has never discussed "A-rod or Jeter to center". Perhaps Joe casually kicked around the idea during some brainstorming session with his inner circle, and Cash wasn't aware. I definitely believe Torre's claim that the subject has not been broached with "the shortstops."
Either way, it's all pointless speculation at this point.
Big Daddy
11-30-05, 10:30 AM
IMO, Jeter would be a better CF than a SS.
Put Jete in center and sign Furcal for SS.
BronxByTheBay
11-30-05, 10:42 AM
I hope people keep speculating and i hope Jeter and Torre agree that it's a bad idea
It...will...never...f*cking...END. Ever.
Big Daddy
11-30-05, 10:49 AM
It...will...never...f*cking...END. Ever.
We should start a website called MoveJetertoCenterfield.com.
NYYBombshell
11-30-05, 11:27 AM
It...will...never...f*cking...END. Ever.
Like I've told people that want this, if you really think this is a good idea, put him out there and then wait to see what happens the first time he screws up.
This board will crash like the Hindenburg.
Like I've told people that want this, if you really think this is a good idea, put him out there and then wait to see what happens the first time he screws up.
This board will crash like the Hindenburg.
This board crashes when the other team scores a run. I don't see anything different happening.
throwslikesax
11-30-05, 11:29 AM
Why hasn't Milton Bradley's name come up at all. Yeah he's a headcase but I think he'd try his best to shut up and fit in with the Yanks.
On a semi-related note Cashman was quoted in a Lupica article in the news as saying this:
Cashman decided things had to change with the Yankees, that they couldn't just keep throwing money at aging stars, that they had tried that for five seasons and a billion dollars in payroll and taxes and hadn't won a World Series. "You know what my goal is?" Cashman said. "To get better with a younger team and a smaller payroll."
That's what I'm talking about. If the Yanks have the biggest budgest in MLB and they also use it as efficiently/effectively as possible (meaing avoiding things like overpaying guys like Pavano and Wright, who happened to be the best available (but still "eh") pitchers in a WEAK FA class last offseason)
Hallelujah, Stick to the plan. Get younger and cheaper. use $ to get key FAs to complete the puzzle and take us to the Promised Land
NYYBombshell
11-30-05, 11:32 AM
This board crashes when the other team scores a run. I don't see anything different happening.
Remember what this place looked like after the Angels eliminated us?
Double that. People will go insane. There will be the ubiquitous "Fire Torre" threads, the "Cashman is a moron for not getting a decent CF" thread the "Alex is a baby for not taking the CF job and letting Jetes stay at SS" thread, the "The Yankees will not make the playoffs" thread, the "The season is over" thread..........the list goes on and on and on.
"Fire Torre" threads"- Started by Sam18
"Cashman is a moron for not getting a decent CF"-Dooley Womack
"Alex is a baby for not taking the CF job and letting Jetes stay at SS"-38special
"The Yankees will not make the playoffs"-KLJ
"The season is over"-IncredibleByNature
I started the "You shoulda kept Womack in Center" thread.
stephsamps
11-30-05, 12:57 PM
Don't forget the "I don't know about anyone else, but I like Jeter in CF" thread
Darth_Takeo
11-30-05, 01:00 PM
At first, I believed the entire argument of moving Jeter was idiotic.
Now, I'm sold.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=klapisch_bob&id=2241983
...But without saying so, it was Jeter whom Torre was imagining as his next center fielder.
At 31, he's one year older than A-Rod but still faster in an all-out sprint, more graceful leaving his feet and has that extraordinary radar for fly balls and pop-ups, even with his back to the ball.
Of course, we hear the voices of protest, the loudest of which belongs to GM Brian Cashman. "The guy's a Gold Glove winner, why would we make a switch?" he said by telephone on Tuesday. The reason is because Jeter is that talented, and, for all Cashman's efforts to begin the post-Bernie Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4695) era, no one else looks quite as good as the Yankee captain.
It all goes back to that obsessive need to catch everything in the air -- evidenced by his crashing into the stands for a foul ball against the Red Sox on July 1, 2004. Jeter, bloodied and bruised, all but won the Gold Glove that year in a single play. He was just as consumed in a May 25 collision with Robinson Cano, climbing all over the rookie second baseman to grab a Marcus Thames (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6943) soft flare into shallow center, snuffing out a Tigers rally.
"Phenomenal" is what A-Rod said of Jeter that night, shaking his head in admiration. The shortstop pursues fly balls with the frenzy of a man chasing after a bus. That's a trait few shortstops possess. Not many center fielders have it, either, but if Jeter can work that magic diving into the stands or behind second base, you could imagine him navigating the wall in right- and left-center, getting to balls that outdistanced Williams in 2005.
...
In this case, though, Jeter wouldn't be abandoning short because of any deficiency. Nor would it represent a concession to A-Rod. Instead, Jeter is a solution to a problem the Yankees haven't been able to solve. And, while Jeter would (naturally) be opposed to the idea, the Yankees could spin the switch thusly:
Only great athletes can play center field. And if it was good enough for Mickey Mantle to go from shortstop to center field, why not Derek Jeter?
Wow.
Do it, Jete! A-Rod to short, sign Bill Mueller to play 3rd!
I'm on board!
Perhaps my mind is gone, but I'm really down with it!
silverdsl
11-30-05, 01:09 PM
The problem I have with the initial Reuters story is that Torre apparently said a lot more on the subject than the writer revealed. (doesnt he now say that they spoke for several minutes?) It seems the writer trumped up a few quotes to make it a bigger story, which is what a lot of writers do.No reporter ever is going to include everything that anyone they interviewed said. It's just not possible. The vast majority of the time they are pulling out selected quotes that make for a good story. Given how often Torre deals with the media he of all people is aware of this and ideally he should have clarified a bit more that there have never been any serious discussions about moving Jeter or A-Rod to CF. Because if Torre actually said that kind of move was a consideration, I don't see how the reporter is supposed to know that he wasn't speaking seriously regardless of what comments were made about Mariano Rivera.
-Deborah
No reporter ever is going to include everything that anyone they interviewed said. It's just not possible. The vast majority of the time they are pulling out selected quotes that make for a good story. Given how often Torre deals with the media he of all people is aware of this and ideally he should have clarified a bit more that there have never been any serious discussions about moving Jeter or A-Rod to CF. Because if Torre actually said that kind of move was a consideration, I don't see how the reporter is supposed to know that he wasn't speaking seriously regardless of what comments were made about Mariano Rivera.
-Deborah
I hear your point, but I still think it was wildly irresponsible to not mention Torre's quotes re: Mo to center. It wouldn't necessarily change the headline of the story ( "Joe Mulls Jeter or A-rod to Center!") but the Mariano angle would put the headline in proper context, and the story would be correctly dismissed as hypothetical discussion.
Yankee Steve
11-30-05, 02:22 PM
You guys must know, of course, that Joe WAS being serious when he made the statements he made. Joe is not Bobby Valentine, who would make statements through the press just to attract attention. I think this is something that Joe has thought about, and probably mentioned to another coach or two, but did not mention the possibility to Cash or any of the other higher ups. This idea is not something that suddenly dawned on anyone. We have been talking about it for a year and a half now. I think Brian called Joe and Joe felt embarrased, and said he was just kidding. Joe would never just "kid" to a reporter, knowing full well that it would get into the next day's column. Unfortunately, Cash's comment will undoubtably but the kibosh on the possibility of this ever happening, unless DJ volunteered to make the move himself.
BronxByTheBay
11-30-05, 02:50 PM
Like I've told people that want this, if you really think this is a good idea, put him out there and then wait to see what happens the first time he screws up.
This board will crash like the Hindenburg.
You know, maybe moving Jeter to CF might be a good idea. I don't think so, but hey - it would put A-Rod at short and there's no way Jeter is worse than Bernie so we pretty much upgrade defense however you look at it.
The problem is it's just COMPLETELY unrealistic. It's not going to happen. Ever. Derek Jeter isn't moving to center. The Yankees wouldn't ask him to move to center. Ain't. Happening. To me, the constant discussion of this subject is akin to obsessing over hypothetical trades made by fans. I suppose some find it fun, but for the most part it's tedious.
BronxByTheBay
11-30-05, 02:51 PM
You guys must know, of course, that Joe WAS being serious when he made the statements he made. Joe is not Bobby Valentine, who would make statements through the press just to attract attention. I think this is something that Joe has thought about, and probably mentioned to another coach or two, but did not mention the possibility to Cash or any of the other higher ups. This idea is not something that suddenly dawned on anyone. We have been talking about it for a year and a half now. I think Brian called Joe and Joe felt embarrased, and said he was just kidding. Joe would never just "kid" to a reporter, knowing full well that it would get into the next day's column. Unfortunately, Cash's comment will undoubtably but the kibosh on the possibility of this ever happening, unless DJ volunteered to make the move himself.
So I guess he was serious about putting Mo in center too.
nyctalopia
11-30-05, 03:02 PM
You guys must know, of course, that Joe WAS being serious when he made the statements he made. Joe is not Bobby Valentine, who would make statements through the press just to attract attention. I think this is something that Joe has thought about, and probably mentioned to another coach or two, but did not mention the possibility to Cash or any of the other higher ups. This idea is not something that suddenly dawned on anyone. We have been talking about it for a year and a half now. I think Brian called Joe and Joe felt embarrased, and said he was just kidding. Joe would never just "kid" to a reporter, knowing full well that it would get into the next day's column. Unfortunately, Cash's comment will undoubtably but the kibosh on the possibility of this ever happening, unless DJ volunteered to make the move himself.
No he wasn't.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
11-30-05, 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by JDPNYY
Why would you bat Furcal leadoff?
BECAUSE HE IS FAST!!!! ;)I'm Faster. Let me do it. ;)
Someone earlier in this thread mentioned that Furcal has said in the past he would play CF. If that's the case, how come this isn't being seriously discussed? The man is young (27), fast, has a gun for an arm, has very respectable numbers, good baseball sense, has the potential to get 200 hits and 40 SBs every year... why would we not want this guy?
Or if Jeter would go to center (as the recent reports say the Yankees are considering), put Furcal at short. Can someone explain to me why this isn't being discussed more seriously (except on fan sites)? Is it a money thing? I don't get it... Seems like a great way to solve a few big problems...
I'm not reading through the rest of the posts in this thread, but you are aware that Joe Torre said it was a joke, and that he even said Mo could play CF and the reporter didn't put that in the article.
It's a moot point now, so close the thread.
Uh, the article at Yankees.com that says it was a joke, also has this bit (that people asking for this thread to be locked have conveniently--and perhaps ironcally--have left out):
Torre was then asked about the possibility of moving either Jeter or A-Rod, to which Torre replied that it wouldn't be unheard of.
"That's happened before, hasn't it?" Torre said about converting an infielder into an outfielder. "Bobby Murcer, Mickey Mantle. Hank Aaron came up as a second baseman. Robin Yount went to center field.
"It certainly is a consideration."
Emphasis mine. Sure sounds to me like it is something they could (and might) consider.
Which makes this thread perfectly valid and anything but a "moot point."
Heh.
cuban_yanksfan
11-30-05, 05:44 PM
At first I was really stubborn about Jeter moving to CF mostly because I thought it would hurt his legacy. SS is the sexy position in baseball everyone wants to be the SS because it signifies control of the field.
But CF is very important too. I dont feel as bad about the whole thing. I can live with Jeter being CF of the Yankees, and I know fo-sho that he would play it well. I suggest giving him a couple of starts there this coming season if we fail to land a better CF. Don't just throw him into it, give him a chance to play well out there. He can split time with Bubba next season and take it over if Bubba really struggles offensivly.
Again- This is under the circumstance that we dont sign a CF.
longtimeyankeefan
11-30-05, 06:20 PM
As I have thought about this question today, I have begun to wonder if this faux pas by Torre was, in fact, a calculated idea to place the concept in Jeter's mind such that he makes the first move.
Think about it for a moment - nobody in the Yankee brass wants to advance the idea of Jeter moving to CF, although I have great difficulty believing that every member of the Yankee coaching staff and front office have, at the very least, bantered this idea around in their head.
Putting the idea out there in the press, then claiming the "out of context" excuse clearly puts the ball in Jeter's court - and, having heard this whole brouhaha, I can't believe that Derek isn't thinking about whether or not such a move would be in the best interest of the team.
Just a thought
=========
On another note, I don't understand why there hasn't been more talk about playing an individual in CF who is currently under contract to the Yankees - he has major league experience as a centerfielder and probably has a better arm than anyone the Yankees put into centerfield last year.
So, I hereby start the - Gator Guidry for CFer movement.
terminator
11-30-05, 08:45 PM
So I guess he was serious about putting Mo in center too.
Well, just to play Devil's advocate, it is possible to make an obvious joke - about Mo playing CF - while at least considering the possibility of Jeter/A-Rod moving to CF.
Maybe at the end of the conversation, Joe said: "But who knows who are CF is going to be? - hey Mo likes to catch pop-flies during BP. Maybe we'll put him there."
Who knows? And frankly, its not really an issue any more - whether he was serious or not, its obvious that Cashman was serious when he contacted Torre. Serious about making sure that they were on the same page - that none of the "shortstops" were moving to CF.
stephsamps
11-30-05, 09:51 PM
As I have thought about this question today, I have begun to wonder if this faux pas by Torre was, in fact, a calculated idea to place the concept in Jeter's mind such that he makes the first move.
I actually thought the same thing, especially when he used the term "shortstops."
I think CF for the Yankees is probably THE most prestigious position, even more than SS, so I dont see it as a demotion. As I have stated before, my big worry is that the experiment fails and you are left with a disjointed team and a less effective captain. My other fear is that he continues his balls out play when in CF and has more concussions than a hockey player ;).
NYYWilliams51
11-30-05, 10:36 PM
I've heard many through the months say that Jeter is selfish for putting himself before the team and not volunteering to play CF. The anger is misplaced, however. The real villian here is Mariano Rivera. Joe touched on a point that has been well-known. Mariano is the best athlete on the team. We all know he has a great arm. If given the chance, he would be the best CF on the roster, better than Jeter. However, Mariano selfishly has chosen to sit for the 8 innings he isn't pitching. Some team player.
MassNYYfan
11-30-05, 10:38 PM
I've heard many through the months say that Jeter is selfish for putting himself before the team and not volunteering to play CF. The anger is misplaced, however. The real villian here is Mariano Rivera. Joe touched on a point that has been well-known. Mariano is the best athlete on the team. We all know he has a great arm. If given the chance, he would be the best CF on the roster, better than Jeter. However, Mariano selfishly has chosen to sit for the 8 innings he isn't pitching. Some team player.
This is an interesting point...:P
:-rofl-:
wileedog
11-30-05, 11:11 PM
I've heard many through the months say that Jeter is selfish for putting himself before the team and not volunteering to play CF. The anger is misplaced, however. The real villian here is Mariano Rivera. Joe touched on a point that has been well-known. Mariano is the best athlete on the team. We all know he has a great arm. If given the chance, he would be the best CF on the roster, better than Jeter. However, Mariano selfishly has chosen to sit for the 8 innings he isn't pitching. Some team player.
Mariano can't hit.
Just sayin...
JeffWeaverFan
11-30-05, 11:18 PM
Like I've told people that want this, if you really think this is a good idea, put him out there and then wait to see what happens the first time he screws up.
This board will crash like the Hindenburg.
After watching Bernie, Lofton, Womack, Melky and others in CF for the last few years, the site of Jeter out there making Willie Mays type catches (and we know he would as he does that from the SS position a lot) would be a beautiful sight. If he screwed up, it would not be a big deal as we have seen many a screwups in the past.
At this point, with our CF options, I think he would be the best for the job. And then, you could sign Mueller or Randa to play 3B.
What's better: Bubba in CF, Jeter at SS, and A-Rod at 3B or Jeter in CF, A-Rod at SS and Mueller at 3B? I don't think it's close to be honest.
Either way, it just isn't going to happen but here's a good article from espn.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=klapisch_bob&id=2241983
And Bobby Murcer also thinks that Jeter would be a fantastic CFer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/30/sports/baseball/30chass.html
I Love Wang
11-30-05, 11:19 PM
Mariano can't hit.
Just sayin...
I'll bet he can hit as well as Bubba.
NYYBombshell
11-30-05, 11:19 PM
I've heard many through the months say that Jeter is selfish for putting himself before the team and not volunteering to play CF. The anger is misplaced, however. The real villian here is Mariano Rivera. Joe touched on a point that has been well-known. Mariano is the best athlete on the team. We all know he has a great arm. If given the chance, he would be the best CF on the roster, better than Jeter. However, Mariano selfishly has chosen to sit for the 8 innings he isn't pitching. Some team player.
That settles it. We should trade him immediately. We don't need any prima donnas on our team.
JeffWeaverFan
11-30-05, 11:20 PM
At first I was really stubborn about Jeter moving to CF mostly because I thought it would hurt his legacy. SS is the sexy position in baseball everyone wants to be the SS because it signifies control of the field.
But CF is very important too. I dont feel as bad about the whole thing. I can live with Jeter being CF of the Yankees, and I know fo-sho that he would play it well. I suggest giving him a couple of starts there this coming season if we fail to land a better CF. Don't just throw him into it, give him a chance to play well out there. He can split time with Bubba next season and take it over if Bubba really struggles offensivly.
Again- This is under the circumstance that we dont sign a CF.
He would work at it throughout ST. I think he'd be great.
By the way, what position is sexier than CF of the New York Yankees? DiMaggio, Mantle, Jeter...
JeffWeaverFan
11-30-05, 11:21 PM
I'll bet he can hit as well as Bubba.
Which speaks to why Bubba should not be the starting CFer.
I Love Wang
12-01-05, 12:04 AM
Which speaks to why Bubba should not be the starting CFer.
You certainly aren't going to get an argument from me.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
12-01-05, 12:39 AM
You certainly aren't going to get an argument from me.
me either
Powered by vBulletin™ Version 4.0.7 Copyright © 2013 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.
0