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38Special
11-24-05, 08:02 PM
Our signed starters next year

RJ - staying
Moose - staying
Wang - staying unless they get alot in the trade
Chacon - staying unless they get alot in a trade
Wright - ?
Pavano - little trade value
Small - little trade value and useful as a starter/long man and relief pitcher


Due to Pavano's larger contract and complete lack of trade value, is there any way we could shed Jaret this offseason. We obviously are not going to have 6 starters, and neither Wright or Pavano would be able to function out of the bullpen. He's due 14 million over the next 2 years, or 11 million over 1 year (with the buyout), and was able to get guys out despite control issues. I think he could still function with a decent pitching coach on a smaller team, and/or the national league.

Despite this, i've heard nothing at all about Wright being on the trading block (unlike Pavano who's spoken about alot). Either way, we have 4 solid quality starters and 1 remaining spot.

AMYanks
11-24-05, 08:05 PM
I would like to deal Wright, but no one really would want him. And if someone does, we'd likely have to take on a good portion of his money.

SheffRocks11
11-24-05, 08:08 PM
I think we need to get rid of both wright and pavano. Maybe we could get someone of value back.

yanksphan
11-24-05, 08:09 PM
I said Chacon. He is the only pitcher that will net us anything of value.

Who do I WANT to see go? That's a different poll all together.

yankees76
11-24-05, 08:10 PM
Frankly, I like having seven starters. Small can be the swing man, and no doubt one of the starting five will be injured or need rest at almost every point during the year. Until Pavano shows he can pitch again, we have five starters and a swing man. Sounds like a normal rotation to me.

JeffWeaverFan
11-24-05, 08:10 PM
Wright has no trade value. He's making $7 million this year and has a $4 million buyout at the end of the season, so he's basically going to make $11 million. He has had a number of shoulder problems and had another surgery last year and wasn't too good when he did pitch.

Pavano shoudl be dealt if the rumors are true that he doesn't want to be here. If he does and the rumors are false, and I'm sure Cash will find out, then he should be kept.

We have 7 starters right now, but there is a lot of injury concerns in the rotation so 7 starters might not even be enough.

I voted for Pavano because I do believe that he hates it here.

Casey37
11-24-05, 08:12 PM
I said both. I believe these two guys are part of the problem, not the solution.

Euclis
11-24-05, 08:13 PM
Unlike Pavano, who might have some trade value, Wright has absolutely no trade value.

Pavano: 4.77 era, 1.47 whip, 5.04 k/9, 3.11 k/bb, 1.53 hr/9

Wright: 6.08 era, 1.77 whip, 4.81 k/9, 1.06 k/bb, 1.08 hr/9

Pavano was bad, but Wright was downright awful. Opponents had a line of .313/.394/.475, which meant that Wright made every batter look like a combination of Derek Jeter and Hideki Matsui. On top of that, he was hurt again, and the odds of him being healthy for a full season aren't very good. His signing was much, much worse than Pavano's...I can't see how they trade him without paying for 90% of his contract.

38Special
11-24-05, 08:14 PM
Frankly, I like having seven starters. Small can be the swing man, and no doubt one of the starting five will be injured or need rest at almost every point during the year. Until Pavano shows he can pitch again, we have five starters and a swing man. Sounds like a normal rotation to me.

If we can receiving some kind of value and not have to pay their entire contract, it would be better to get rid of Pavano or Wright. If someone gets injured, we have cheap and more capable guys waiting in AAA (White, DeSalvo, Karstens)

yankees76
11-24-05, 08:15 PM
If we can receiving some kind of value and not have to pay their entire contract, it would be better to get rid of Pavano or Wright. If someone gets injured, we have cheap and more capable guys waiting in AAA (White, DeSalvo, Karstens)

I don't think any of those guys will be ready to help the team in '06, 38.

Munson's 'Stash
11-24-05, 08:16 PM
Wright's injury and ineffectiveness upon his return killed his trade value. His only real value is going to be the depth he provides the Yankee rotation. It's expenisve, but with the escalation in SP contracts that are being speculated on (a 2 yr, $10M deal for Loiaza?) he could wind up being helpful. I would bet that given that the Yankees would have to take on almost his entire salary that that potential is worth more than dumping him for nothing.

38Special
11-24-05, 08:16 PM
Unlike Pavano, who might have some trade value, Wright has absolutely no trade value.

Pavano: 4.77 era, 1.47 whip, 5.04 k/9, 3.11 k/bb, 1.53 hr/9

Wright: 6.08 era, 1.77 whip, 4.81 k/9, 1.06 k/bb, 1.08 hr/9

Pavano was bad, but Wright was downright awful. Opponents had a line of .313/.394/.475, which meant that Wright made every batter look like a combination of Derek Jeter and Hideki Matsui. On top of that, he was hurt again, and the odds of him being healthy for a full season aren't very good. His signing was much, much worse than Pavano's...I can't see how they trade him without paying for 90% of his contract.
To be fair, Wright was much better when he came back, and then got hit by a combination of line drives and broken bats, including the final game where he gave up 6 runs in 1 inning

SINCE77 2
11-24-05, 08:18 PM
Wright is actually more valuable to the Yankees than is Pavano due to his ability to come out of the pen. Wrights' "stuff" translates to the bullpen better than does Pavano. However,on the open trade market Wright has virtually no value. I'd keep him over Pavano.

YankeePride1967
11-24-05, 08:18 PM
Jaret Wright either has 2/14 or 1/11 left on his contract. This for a pitcher who has had one, I repeat one, good year since 1998. If we eat 90% of the contract we might get a lower level prospect for him. This was a horrible signing and no one is going to come to our rescue and remove him. If Wright was realistically tradable, I'd choose him. A better question would be "who CAN be traded?"

38Special
11-24-05, 08:20 PM
Wright is actually more valuable to the Yankees than is Pavano due to his ability to come out of the pen. Wrights' "stuff" translates to the bullpen better than does Pavano. However,on the open trade market Wright has virtually no value. I'd keep him over Pavano.

I diagree big time. Pavano's sinker would induce groundballs and his control is much much much better than Wright's


I don't think any of those guys will be ready to help the team in '06, 38.
I think all of them could spot start and do a better job than Henn next year.

YankeePride1967
11-24-05, 08:22 PM
I diagree big time. Pavano's sinker would induce groundballs and his control is much much much better than Wright's


I think all of them could spot start and do a better job than Henn next year.

That last part I definitely agree with. I don't think Sean Henn will ever amount to anything.

Euclis
11-24-05, 08:22 PM
To be fair, Wright was much better when he came back, and then got hit by a combination of line drives and broken bats, including the final game where he gave up 6 runs in 1 inning

True, but he still was pretty bad:

Wright's 2nd half: 4.70 era, 1.54 whip, 4.23 k/9, .91 k/bb.

One thing Wright doesn't do is give up many home runs...but his control is horrible. It's impossible to underscore that...Clement's lack of control is widely documented, but his k/bb last year was more than twice as good as Wright's.

38Special
11-24-05, 08:24 PM
True, but he still was pretty bad:

Wright's 2nd half: 4.70 era, 1.54 whip, 4.23 k/9, .91 k/bb.

One thing Wright doesn't do is give up many home runs...but his control is horrible. It's impossible to underscore that...Clement's lack of control is widely documented, but his k/bb last year was more than twice as good as Wright's.
Both of them would benefit from a trip back to the NL :)

ring403
11-24-05, 08:24 PM
Wright has even less trade value than Pavano at this point. Jaret's continuing shoulder problems will scare off most teams, and it will be tough to find any takers for him unless the Yankees pick up most of his salary. Even then, the return would be minimal, and therefore probably not worthwhile for the Yankees.
The reason that Pavano has been mentioned alot is not only because of the reports of his alleged unhappiness with the team, but there has apparently been some actual interest expressed in him by other teams. The Yankees would still have to pay part of his salary, but the return would also be greater.

38Special
11-24-05, 08:25 PM
Wright has even less trade value than Pavano at this point. Jaret's continuing shoulder injuries will scare off most teams, and it will be tough to find any takers for him unless the Yankees pick up most of his salary. Even then, the return would be minimal, and therefore probably not worthwhile for the Yankees.
The reason that Pavano has been mentioned alot is not only because of the reports of his alleged unhappiness with the team, but there has apparently been some actual interest expressed in him by other teams. The Yankees would still have to pay part of his salary, but the return would also be greater.
I'd be more worried about Pavano's shoulder than Wright's dont you think?

yankees76
11-24-05, 08:27 PM
I think all of them could spot start and do a better job than Henn next year.

Is that how low we are setting the bar?

YankeePride1967
11-24-05, 08:28 PM
I'd be more worried about Pavano's shoulder than Wright's dont you think?

When it comes to health anyone not named Kevin Brown has less of a health concern than Jaret Wright.

Shaun4013
11-24-05, 08:30 PM
Wright. Its just that nobody would take him.

YankeePride1967
11-24-05, 08:32 PM
I voted none as Wright is untradable.

ring403
11-24-05, 08:35 PM
I'd be more worried about Pavano's shoulder than Wright's dont you think?
I'd be concerned about both of them, but at least Pavano has a couple of healthy and reasonably effective seasons under his belt. Except for 2004, Wright has not been healthy long enough to contribute any significant innings to his team since 1998-99.
Wright may very well be the more talented pitcher, but I think the risk of injury is also greater.

NelsonMuntz
11-24-05, 08:35 PM
I'd love to think that we could trade Wright, but I don't see it happening.

27IsNext
11-24-05, 08:37 PM
Who's going to take on such a rediculous contract? Just stick him in the pen.

38Special
11-24-05, 08:47 PM
What I'm trying to say is we can't just stick them in the pen. If both are healthy I want Pavano starting, but Wright would be as useless as Heredia out of the pen.


Is that how low we are setting the bar?
What do you know about the guys i named?

yankees76
11-24-05, 08:51 PM
What do you know about the guys i named?

??? Reference to the bar being set low was that you were saying, "hey, they will be better than Henn." That's not saying much. The question was whether these guys will be ready to help the team in '06, which I still doubt.

NelsonMuntz
11-24-05, 08:51 PM
Who's going to take on such a rediculous contract? Just stick him in the pen.
Wright struggles the most in his first inning so sticking him in the pen is probably not a good idea. I'd be fine with the Yankees paying most of his contract if we could get anything of value for him in a trade. I don't see why any team would want him though. Just a horrible FA signing last offseason.

IrishYankee
11-24-05, 08:52 PM
I think we keep both till close to the trading deadline. Hopefully their play will have driven up their value. Right now I cant see us getting anything for them.
Besides, I want to see if Pavano wusses out again, and if Wright was just a victim of freak injuries, as his return was looking good till he got beaned.

38Special
11-24-05, 08:52 PM
??? Reference to the bar being set low was that you were saying, "hey, they will be better than Henn." That's not saying much. The question was whether these guys will be ready to help the team in '06, which I still doubt.
Okay but my point still stands, what do you know about these guys that leads you to believe that they cant help the team.

SINCE77 2
11-24-05, 08:53 PM
[QUOTE=38Special]I diagree big time. Pavano's sinker would induce groundballs and his control is much much much better than Wright's



1.That is assuming that Pavano has his sinker working.
2.Pavano would be traded before he would go to the pen.

nyg02005
11-24-05, 09:05 PM
right now, we need relief pitchers. Unless we signed relievers, wright is one of our relief pitcher.

buntsalot2
11-24-05, 09:06 PM
in all fairness... harumph...
both Pavano and Wright were seriously injured. having said that though, Pavano will still return dividends but getting Wright was Wrong. Wright has no upside, none other than his age... he throws batting practice. The problem in hindsight with Wright is that no way did we know of Small and Chacon and only a little about Wang. Those 3 cats did a helluva job replacing Pavano and Wright. If, the rotation is:

RJ
Moose
Chacon
Wang
Pavano

that's not a bad starting grid. Wright will either be dealt or sit behind the fence waiting for the phone to ring. Small can outpitch Wright any day so he is totally redundant in a starting roll, never mind sitting in the BP.

Having waded into this thread willingly, I have to stop on this subject here because IMO the real problem with any of those pitchers is very very subtle... competant catching. IF, we get a decent catching tandem then any or all of those guys will push the race for 20 wins; without, they will perish (as could be the reason behind other SP over the last 5 years who arrived with fanfare and were literally run out of town). So sue me.

yankees76
11-24-05, 10:04 PM
Okay but my point still stands, what do you know about these guys that leads you to believe that they cant help the team.

Sorry, I was in the shower and didn't realize I was being called out publicly. If you have something intelligent to say about these three guys, then say it, but don't challenge other posters' knowledge of the organization's prospects.

DeSalvo was a nondrafted free agent whom the Yankees signed in '03. He says he throws seven different pitches (a four-seamer, a two-seamer, a cutter, the curve, a slider, a forkball, and a change), but he gets outs by locating his (not over-powering) fastball and using his changeup. His other pitches are considered "fringy" by scouts, but he misses bats and had 151 SOs in 149 IPs last year. Notwithstanding that he made the Easter All-Star team this year, he does not have a plus pitch. Baseball America projects him to be a middle to a back-of-the rotation guy and does not include him among the Yankees' Top 10 prospects. He has yet to pitch an inning in AAA, so projecting him to help the big league team in '06 is a stretch. As a nice personal footnote, he holds the NCAA all-division records for career wins (53) and SOs (603), which he set at Division III Marietta College.

Karstens projects to be a middle reliever, at best. He was durable last year, making 27 starts and throwing 169 IPs for Trenton, but with an ERA above 4.00, a WHIP of 1.38 and a modest K/9 of 7.38. If he has earned a promotion to Columbus, which I doubt, he would have to pitch well there for the Yankees to consider calling him up. He is not the future.

Unlike the other two, White is included among the Yankees Top 10 prospects by Baseball America. He missed two months this year with an abdominal strain. After he returned he struggled badly with is mechanics, suffering (in his words) a "total breakdown," though seems to have righted his ship in the Arizona Fall League. White has a plus-fastball, and struck out 54 in 51 IPs, but given his injury, subsequent mechanical issues and lack of IPs, he will almost certainly start next season at Trenton. Even if he earns a promotion to Columbus during '06, he is unlikely to help the Yankees next season. Good prospect whose future looks bright. On the negative side, Boras is his agent and he was the only one of the Yankees top 16 draft picks in 2003 to hold out unsigned for a significant period of time.

DeSalvo and White are fine, but won't pitch for the team in '06. Karstens may never pitch in the bigs.

Evil Empire
11-24-05, 10:07 PM
I'd try an deal both. I never liked either signing in the first place.

NewEraYanks2527
11-24-05, 10:39 PM
Wright was a mistake signing, a horrible signing and if the Yanks can get anything of value for him I am all for trading him. He already is eligble for that buyout next season because of his injuries, its a little less but it is still less then he would make next year.

Sierra Mist
11-25-05, 10:35 AM
I think both Pavano and Wright should be dealt. I'd rather have Chacon and Small.

ryanthe13th
11-25-05, 10:37 AM
I think both Pavano and Wright should be dealt. I'd rather have Chacon and Small.

I know you're the president of the Aaron Small Fan Club, but can you please use common sense? Carl Pavano is much younger than Aaron Small and is statistically better than Small in just about every category career wise. Stop being such a fan boy for once and realize that Aaron Small is not an ace. I respect him TONS for the stretch he put together in 2005 and think he has earned a spot as a long reliever on this team. But Pavano > Small.

Sierra Mist
11-25-05, 10:40 AM
I know you're the president of the Aaron Small Fan Club, but can you please use common sense? Carl Pavano is much younger than Aaron Small and is statistically better than Small in just about every category career wise. Stop being such a fan boy for once and realize that Aaron Small is not an ace. I respect him TONS for the stretch he put together in 2005 and think he has earned a spot as a long reliever on this team. But Pavano > Small.

Then put someone else in, I dont want Pavano on the team period. I'd rather have Wright start over Pavano. Plus Paul Quantrill said Pavano wanted out of NY. Either way one of them has to go, unless they get hurt again.

YankeePride1967
11-25-05, 10:42 AM
I know you're the president of the Aaron Small Fan Club, but can you please use common sense? Carl Pavano is much younger than Aaron Small and is statistically better than Small in just about every category career wise. Stop being such a fan boy for once and realize that Aaron Small is not an ace. I respect him TONS for the stretch he put together in 2005 and think he has earned a spot as a long reliever on this team. But Pavano > Small.

Don't forget, you are talking to someone who believes our success in 2006 depends on Ruben Sierra.

ryanthe13th
11-25-05, 10:43 AM
Then put someone else in, I dont want Pavano on the team period. I'd rather have Wright start over Pavano. Plus Paul Quantrill said Pavano wanted out of NY. Either way one of them has to go, unless they get hurt again.

And Paul Quantrill is just the man to go to when you want the low down on the New York Yankees. He isn't biased at all, and him being released not even halfway through the season doesn't effect his opinion at all.

You'd rather have Jaret Wright, who is more injury prone and has NO luck at all, pitching than Carl Pavano? Maybe that would work in MLB 2K5 for PS2, but not in the real world.

38Special
11-25-05, 10:54 AM
Paul Quantrill has been named Team Captain

Sierra Mist
11-25-05, 10:54 AM
Don't forget, you are talking to someone who believes our success in 2006 depends on Ruben Sierra.

no our sucess in 2006 is a TEAM effort. As I said before, no one player can carry the team, and no one player is the reason we won our division last year. Ruben is a small piece of the puzzle.

Sierra Mist
11-25-05, 10:55 AM
And Paul Quantrill is just the man to go to when you want the low down on the New York Yankees. He isn't biased at all, and him being released not even halfway through the season doesn't effect his opinion at all.

You'd rather have Jaret Wright, who is more injury prone and has NO luck at all, pitching than Carl Pavano? Maybe that would work in MLB 2K5 for PS2, but not in the real world.

It doesnt matter, due to their contracts we are stuck with both of them, but we can let Wright go after 2006 because of the injury clause, however he still gets 4 mill from us in 2007 for nothing.

YankeePride1967
11-25-05, 10:56 AM
no our sucess in 2006 is a TEAM effort. As I said before, no one player can carry the team, and no one player is the reason we won our division last year. Ruben is a small piece of the puzzle.

I'm sure he'll be a part of the support part, he'll come to a few games and cheer the team on.

Sierra Mist
11-25-05, 11:01 AM
I'm sure he'll be a part of the support part, he'll come to a few games and cheer the team on.

or he will laugh when Crosby collides w/ Matsui and puts him on the DL, or when Phillips strikes out 5 times in a game again.

ryanthe13th
11-25-05, 12:59 PM
or he will laugh when Crosby collides w/ Matsui and puts him on the DL, or when Phillips strikes out 5 times in a game again.

Sierra can't field for his life, so why would he laugh? I don't know why you continue to defend Ruben Sierra's 2005 performance. He was below average in every single aspect of the game. He hit .267 with the bases loaded, .172 with RISP w/ 2 outs, .271 with RISP period, .231 w/ Runners On, and .238 with Bases Empty. He was not good this year by any means.

Back to the subject at hand, their contracts are not unmovable. Pavano has the ability to be a great addition to this team, while Jaret Wright is at best a long relief candidate. We should try to move Wright and give Pavano one more year before we consider getting rid of him.

gdn
11-25-05, 02:25 PM
I'd take my chances with Pavano instead of Wright. But what do I know.

Whoever can get us the most value of the two should be the one traded.

YankeePride1967
11-25-05, 03:52 PM
or he will laugh when Crosby collides w/ Matsui and puts him on the DL, or when Phillips strikes out 5 times in a game again.

Like everyone has laughed at Ruben in the rare instances he was in the field? Hey, at least Phillips may still warrant 5 ABs in a game.

Kulish29
11-25-05, 04:07 PM
I said Chacon. He is the only pitcher that will net us anything of value.

I said this a month ago and got flamed for it.

I agree. Chacon is the only player on this team not named Cano or Wang that has an upside in trade value.

gdn
11-25-05, 04:15 PM
I said this a month ago and got flamed for it.

I agree. Chacon is the only player on this team not named Cano or Wang that has an upside in trade value.Whatever we get for him will not be enough compared to what we will get if we keep him. That's the argument against trading Chacon. He did really, really well last year. He pitched with composure and was unflappable under the lights of NYC. Many have come before him and failed. We need pitchers like him, so we should keep him. We can get a CF elsewhere.

Kulish29
11-25-05, 04:30 PM
Whatever we get for him will not be enough compared to what we will get if we keep him. That's the argument against trading Chacon. He did really, really well last year. He pitched with composure and was unflappable under the lights of NYC. Many have come before him and failed. We need pitchers like him, so we should keep him. We can get a CF elsewhere.

I disagree. Because he is still some what young and proved he can pitch in a pressurized atmosphere makes him more valuable. I think the Yankees could probably get something very good in return for him.

I'm not advocating trading him for an all glove no hit CF. I'm saying, if they are able to get a good offensive and defensive CF for him, they should do it.

For example, if the Phillies offered Rowand to the Yankees for Chacon and another body, I'd do it.

gdn
11-25-05, 04:32 PM
I disagree. Because he is still some what young and proved he can pitch in a pressurized atmosphere makes him more valuable. I think the Yankees could probably get something very good in return for him.

I'm not advocating trading him for an all glove no hit CF. I'm saying, if they are able to get a good offensive and defensive CF for him, they should do it.

For example, if the Phillies offered Rowand to the Yankees for Chacon and another body, I'd do it.But Chacon already fills a need. If we trade him, then we'd need a good young SP who doesn't get rattled in pressure situations... He filled a hole. We can't trade him and create that hole again.

Kulish29
11-25-05, 04:33 PM
But Chacon already fills a need. If we trade him, then we'd need a good young SP who doesn't get rattled in pressure situations... He filled a hole. We can't trade him and create that hole again.

You can trade him and fill that hole by signing Kevin Millwood or Jarrod Washburn. Two pitchers who have proved they can pitch in the AL.

Washburn would obviously be more attractive because he's a LHP and he'd cost less.

Tifoso
11-25-05, 04:33 PM
Could he be dealt? Hey, it's not like good pitching isn't at a premium.

Should he be dealt? Hey, it's not like good pitching isn't at a premium.

gdn
11-25-05, 04:34 PM
You can trade him and fill that hole by signing Kevin Millwood or John Lackey. Two pitchers who have proved they can pitch in the AL.None of whom are as good, cheap or young as Chacon is/can be.

NYYBombshell
11-25-05, 04:35 PM
Don't deal Shawn Chacon. He's got huge potential to be one of our strongest pitchers next season.

AMYanks
11-25-05, 04:47 PM
For example, if the Phillies offered Rowand to the Yankees for Chacon and another body, I'd do it.

No offense, but I'm glad you're not the GM.

Kulish29
11-25-05, 04:52 PM
None of whom are as good, cheap or young as Chacon is/can be.

I wouldnt say Washburn is worse than Chacon. They're both good pitchers. The couple of things that Washburn has going for him that Chacon does not is that he's pitched in the AL for his whole career with decent success and he is left handed.

Chacon does have the age factor going for him, as he is going to be 28 and Washburn is going to turn 31 next August.

Chacon's career ERA and ERA+ are 4.90 and 100 while Washburn's are 3.93 and 114.

We also have to take into account that Chacon has never pitched more than 160 IP in a season. How will that factor in to the 2006 season in the offensively superior AL?

I'm not trying to discredit Chacon or say he is a bad pitcher by any means, he saved the Yankees butts last year. And obviously, Chacon's pitching stats are inflated due to Colorado's atmosphere. But my point is, if the Yankees can seriously upgrade CF by trading Chacon, then they should do it and look into signing Washburn, who would likely fill Chacon's role admirably.

Kulish29
11-25-05, 04:53 PM
No offense, but I'm glad you're not the GM.

I'm glad I'm not either. Too much stress.

gdn
11-25-05, 04:56 PM
I wouldnt say Washburn is worse than Chacon. They're both good pitchers. The couple of things that Washburn has going for him that Chacon does not is that he's pitched in the AL for his whole career with decent success and he is left handed.

Chacon does have the age factor going for him, as he is going to be 28 and Washburn is going to turn 31 next August.

Chacon's career ERA and ERA+ are 4.90 and 100 while Washburn's are 3.93 114.

We also have to take into account that Chacon has never pitched more than 160 IP in a season. How will that factor in to the 2006 season in the offensively superior AL?

I'm not trying to discredit Chacon or say he is a bad pitcher by any means, he saved the Yankees butts last year. And obviously, Chacon's pitching stats are inflated do to Colorado's atmosphere. But my point is, if the Yankees can seriously upgrade CF by trading Chacon, then they should do it and look into signing Washburn, who would likely fill Chacon's role admirably.You make valid points, however, I do believe that Chacon's potential is significantly higher than Washburn's. The only thing Washburn has going for him is that he is left-handed. Also, it's not a sure bet that we can sign Washburn. What if we trade Chacon and then we can't sign Washburn?

Chacon pitched really well last year and could have been considered our best pitcher in the second half. He's proven himself in the midst of the most heated pennant race in the majors. He needs to stay.

Kulish29
11-25-05, 05:13 PM
You make valid points, however, I do believe that Chacon's potential is significantly higher than Washburn's. The only thing Washburn has going for him is that he is left-handed. Also, it's not a sure bet that we can sign Washburn. What if we trade Chacon and then we can't sign Washburn?

Chacon pitched really well last year and could have been considered our best pitcher in the second half. He's proven himself in the midst of the most heated pennant race in the majors. He needs to stay.

I wouldn't say the only thing Washburn has going for him is that he's left handed. He's pitched in the AL his entire career with decent success. He's got that going for him along with being a southpaw.

Chacon obviously has a higher upside because he's 3 years younger, but he also has question marks. How will he fare during a whole season in the AL? He also used to throw a lot harder. IIRC he was throwing in the low to mid 90's in Colorado when he first came up. Sup with the velocity decrease? Is that something to be worried about?

As far as signing Washburn and trading Chacon. It's all a matter of circumstance. If the Yankees were going to trade Chacon, they'd probably try to sign Washburn first to make sure they have the hole filled before trading him. Unless they (stupidly) think that Wright can fill the hole left by Chacon's departure.

glenel
10-06-06, 11:02 PM
Bull shi=deal P-vno he's a pussy pitcher

genius-24
10-07-06, 12:35 AM
why the fu*k is this thread back

JeffWeaverFan
10-07-06, 12:47 AM
Did we have to bring this thread back just to anger me that the best minor league poster was wrongly banned?

Babe Rules
10-07-06, 06:36 PM
Both.

cmaff05
10-07-06, 06:37 PM
Jaret Wright has pitched in his last game in Pinstripes. If he didn't, there is something seriously wrong with our FO. I don't care if you have to pay him 4 millions, we don't need him as our fallback option in 2007.

YankeesRule51
10-07-06, 09:23 PM
I dealt both Jaret and Pavano. Pavano has done squat. Because of his injury, his velocity is slower. Jaret was bad, throw him out. Get two new pitchers. BTW, also trade Cory Lidle, he struggles.

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