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apalradio
11-23-05, 05:02 PM
Just speculating here, but Javy Vazquez wants to go back to the east coast, and Pavano is miserable in New York. If a straight up deal were ever possible, would you flip Pavano to the D-Backs and take a second chance on Javy?
Wang's Groundballs
11-23-05, 05:03 PM
I would. The Yankees and the D-Backs wouldn't.
StatenIslandYankee
11-23-05, 05:03 PM
I'd do it in a heartbeat
DontHateOnNumber2
11-23-05, 05:07 PM
I think I would. I wanted to keep Javy the first go-round.
AMYanks
11-23-05, 05:09 PM
I would. The Yankees and the D-Backs wouldn't.

Yep, unfortunately.
Bernie Inferno
11-23-05, 05:10 PM
I'd rather have Rowand.
AMYanks
11-23-05, 05:11 PM
I'd rather have Rowand.

Philly won't trade him.
WebsterMulligan
11-23-05, 05:12 PM
I think I would. I wanted to keep Javy the first go-round.

I completely agree.
surge511
11-23-05, 05:22 PM
I'd rather have Pavano than Vazquez. I think Javy is a mess right now. He's had 2 really bad seasons in a row, and for $10 mill, I want no part of that.
Sam18
11-23-05, 05:23 PM
Hell yeah I'd do that. But its not happening.
StatenIslandYankee
11-23-05, 05:25 PM
I'd rather have Rowand.
Sorry we missed that boat
nyg02005
11-23-05, 05:26 PM
I'd rather have Pavano than Vazquez. I think Javy is a mess right now. He's had 2 really bad seasons in a row, and for $10 mill, I want no part of that.

Javy have only 1 and half bad season and last season he pitched on a hitter friendly park. I would like to have a pitcher who wants to pitch for you than a pitcher who does not want.
yanksphan
11-23-05, 05:31 PM
How soon we forget....Game 7 anyone?
ChrisV82
11-23-05, 05:37 PM
Javy Vazquez would be great if we only played an 81 game season.
YankeeFan1
11-23-05, 05:40 PM
I won't do this deal.
Evil Empire
11-23-05, 05:40 PM
Why would Javy wanna come back here? (to NY)

Other than the east coast thing. I mean, NY is probably the last place on the East Coast he'd wanna be.
Enoch
11-23-05, 05:41 PM
Why does everyone want to drop Pavano? He wasn't that bad, in fact, I thought he was consistently average last year. Worth 10 million.....HECK NO, but in free agency you are going to overspend. If healthy, Pavano will give you a chance to win a lot more than not...Lets let him get healthy and pitch. Yeesh...Even Clemens had a bad year his first year in New York.
NewEraYanks2527
11-23-05, 05:41 PM
What is the fascination with Vazquez, as a testament to how bad a pitcher he is he went BACK to the NL, the NL West for that matter, and still posted an ERA over 4. I dont look at the wins because really he played for the D-Backs but LOOK AT THE ERA. That is not someone you want on the Yanks against the rest of the offensive juggernauts in the AL East.
Sam18
11-23-05, 05:46 PM
What is the fascination with Vazquez, as a testament to how bad a pitcher he is he went BACK to the NL, the NL West for that matter, and still posted an ERA over 4. I dont look at the wins because really he played for the D-Backs but LOOK AT THE ERA. That is not someone you want on the Yanks against the rest of the offensive juggernauts in the AL East.

IMO Javy and Pavano are in the same boat, but Javy has the higher upside.
The Q Bomb
11-23-05, 05:47 PM
Just speculating here, but Javy Vazquez wants to go back to the east coast, and Pavano is miserable in New York. If a straight up deal were ever possible, would you flip Pavano to the D-Backs and take a second chance on Javy?
I would though I can't imagine that Javy would want to come back here after the way he was excoriated by fans and media alike after his last very brief stint.
IncredibleByNature
11-23-05, 06:17 PM
I won't do this deal.

Ditto.
BronxByTheBay
11-23-05, 06:18 PM
Just speculating here, but Javy Vazquez wants to go back to the east coast, and Pavano is miserable in New York. If a straight up deal were ever possible, would you flip Pavano to the D-Backs and take a second chance on Javy?

:eek:

:giveup:
I Love Wang
11-23-05, 06:26 PM
I'd definitely trade Pavano for Vazquez. Vazquez is the better pitcher.
Yankee Clipper
11-23-05, 07:34 PM
How soon we forget....Game 7 anyone?

That game was Kevin Brown's mess and coming in with the bases loaded is quite hard to stop the bleeding, especially to a team that was on a roll.
JeterRodriguezSheff
11-23-05, 07:40 PM
No, Pavano was pretty good his first few starts, then he got hit with a line drive in an orioles game and a shoulder injury after that and it went downhill from that. When healthy Pavano is a good pitcher. Solid number 3 guy.
Boricua21
11-23-05, 07:41 PM
In a New York second. Javy is better than Pavano any day.
Sierra Mist
11-23-05, 07:44 PM
no way, both are equally bad though
yanksphan
11-23-05, 08:38 PM
That game was Kevin Brown's mess and coming in with the bases loaded is quite hard to stop the bleeding, especially to a team that was on a roll.

I certainly acknowledge it was Brown's mess.

But Javy gave up the salami - the WORST possible scenario - to Johnny Damon of all people.

Freakin Aaron Small could have gotten out of that inning with a couple ground balls and just 1 or 2 runs I'd imagine.

But that's why we call him Jome-Run Javy...
gdn
11-23-05, 09:02 PM
I think it might work. I"m not ready to give up on Pavano, though. Maybe Aaron Small for Javy? :p
IncredibleByNature
11-23-05, 09:35 PM
I think it might work. I"m not ready to give up on Pavano, though. Maybe Aaron Small for Javy? :p

Shhhh, Mrs. Aaron Small aka SM, might read this! ;)
gdn
11-23-05, 09:36 PM
Shhhh, Mrs. Aaron Small aka SM, might read this! ;)Oh I think he/she is going to be shying away from the baseball forums for a while.
Dooley Womack
11-23-05, 09:41 PM
So this is what we resort to? :eek:
JavyVazquezIsSick
11-23-05, 09:45 PM
Please Yes, although it would make no sense, our SP is fine...
Quangormo
11-23-05, 11:04 PM
I'd love to have Javy back.
JfromJersey
11-23-05, 11:18 PM
It's a wash. Both have high ERAs but Javy's BAA is lower because he gives up less singles and doubles, and more gopher balls. Pavano was awful last season, but I like the fact that when he's on he keeps the ball on the ground. Javy, being a right handed fly ball pitcher, really worries me pitching in Yankee stadium.
enterthesandman
11-24-05, 12:21 AM
Javy wanted to be here. Pavano wants to leave.
Javy is a work horse. Pavano is injury prone.
Javy has less time on his contract. Pavano has more.

I'd do this deal in a heartbeat.
JeffWeaverFan
11-24-05, 12:54 AM
Javy>Pavano. Always has been. Either way, the DBacks want to get salary relief from this deal, not take on a $30 million contract in Pavano. Pavano will be our chip to get a CFer.
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