View Full Version : How about dealing with the Tigers?
sundstrom
11-09-05, 11:44 PM
I'm in the camp that would unload Posada and Pavano if the right deal were there.
While I'll admit that it's highly unlikely only because of how many players are involved, I think that this deal would work for both teams:
Yanks Get:
Pudge Rodriguez
Troy Percival
Carlos Pena
Mike Maroth
Nook Logan
Tigers Get:
Carl Pavano
Jorge Posada
From the Tigers point of view, they're moving pudge who supposedly has begun to wear out his welcome and getting posada (a "proven winner" who is still a producer at the plate). The Yanks actually get some early salary relief as posada makes more. Pudge's defense, while on the decline is still considerably better than Posada. they'd move Pena who they're already replacing with Chris Shelton and his salary of $2.5M, who the yanks could use as a giambi caddie and a lefty bat off the bench and occasional dh. and they'd move Percival who is overpayed even if he comes back. the yanks can afford to take a chance on percival. the tigers can't. Logan is a speedy guy who can play center as well as pinch run if necessary. Maroth is a lefty that, while not overpowering, would still be a solid #3. The Tigers getting Pavano would give them a 1A starter (at least Pavano is still thought of that way by some) to go with Bonderman.
breaking it down, it's really pavano for logan and maroth and the rest just even everything else out.
Pudge: .276 .290 .444 OPS+ 94
Po: .262 .352 .430 OPS+ 105
Pass.
Yankees1962
11-10-05, 03:04 AM
Percival is just coming off major surgery and they're not sure he will make it all the way back. No way, I make that deal.
Fabien Brandy
11-10-05, 05:36 AM
If no money was used to balance salaries then I'd do that deal if I'm the Yankees. Right now Posada and Pavano have negative trade value (if put on waivers, no team would assume their contracts).
Getting out of Pavano's deal is big value on its own.
They would also help the defense at 3 positions (CF, C, 1B) and Maroth is a lefty innings eater and pretty cheap (tradeable).
Percival is a salary dump at one more year at $6M but $6M is better than the $30+M still owed to Pavano.
IrishYankee
11-10-05, 05:59 AM
I like it
Very good deal for the Yankees, but why would the Tigers do it? They lose bench strength, and if Percivil makes it back, their only potential closer. Farnsworth and Urbina are gone, and they have no one besides Troy.
And Pena is a super fielder, but his bat is useless unless he plays regularly.
NYDCYankee
11-10-05, 06:22 AM
I like the idea of the Yankees looking in to obtaining Pena. He could be the defensive minded decent stick guy the Yankees have been looking for. Tony Clarkesque.
I like the idea of the Yankees looking in to obtaining Pena. He could be the defensive minded decent stick guy the Yankees have been looking for. Tony Clarkesque.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/tigers/0511/09/D01-376808.htm
'Pena figures to be the most likely to go, perhaps to the Yankees, who declined to pick up the option on Tino Martinez.'
After reading the linked article, I actually think the thread-starter here may be on to something. I don't know about the entire package the Yankees would or should get, but the basic deal of Pavano and/or Posada for Pudge might be attractive to both teams. If both Jorge and Pavano were traded, the Y's of course would have to get more, but how much more depends on the money part of the deal. Remember that if the Y's save money, they can use it in the free agent market or in other deals. It is too complicated to work out the details, but am I right to assume that Pudge still has enough gas in his tank to be a significant upgrade over Jorge over the next couple of years, considering both offeense and defense?
Dr. Gonzo
11-10-05, 07:55 AM
why are people so quick to give up on Pavano? I hate that about Yankee fans, we are ready to kick peopel out quickly and it bites us in the ass alot. I hope people at work treat you with the same rediculous expectations.
sundstrom
11-10-05, 08:52 AM
i am not looking to dump pavano for a bag of balls here. i just think that maroth is a younger, cheaper, lefty that doesn't have the injury history of pavano and I'd like to shore up the defense by swapping posada and pudge.
as to why would they deal percival, i think that even if he does make it back, they'd rather get out of his $$ and sign someone else. the percival signing was more of a PR move anyway to show that they were "serious about winning."
Pudge: .276 .290 .444 OPS+ 94
Po: .262 .352 .430 OPS+ 105
Pass.
pudge is still light years, LIIIIIIGHT YEARS ahead of any other AL catcher defensively. he got JOBBED by not being awarded the gold glove.
peep his stats. he throws out more runners than he allows steals. why? cuz teams abandon their running game when they go against him.
he can get one hit in a season and i'd still want his automatic out butt out there 125 games a year.
best defensive catcher ever? probably.
I'd like to more back for Pavano. By getting Pavano, Tigers may have an easier time signing Burnett. That has to be considered.
apolansk
11-10-05, 09:18 AM
pudge is still light years, LIIIIIIGHT YEARS ahead of any other AL catcher defensively. he got JOBBED by not being awarded the gold glove.
peep his stats. he throws out more runners than he allows steals. why? cuz teams abandon their running game when they go against him.
he can get one hit in a season and i'd still want his automatic out butt out there 125 games a year.
best defensive catcher ever? probably.
I've heard he calls terrible games because he wants to the pitcher to repeatedly throw fastballs so he will be able to keep up his CS rates. Also his numbers kind of dropped off a cliff last year.
AVG dropped 50 pts
OBP dropped 90 pts
SLG dropped 65 pts
HR dropped by 5
RBI dropped 36.
I'm gonna pass on trading a 33 yr old catcher, for a 33 yr old catcher. Especially considering we'd have to throw in money for Po, considering if they use him as their starting catcher the option would vest.
THEBOSS84
11-10-05, 09:40 AM
why are people so quick to give up on Pavano? I hate that about Yankee fans, we are ready to kick peopel out quickly and it bites us in the ass alot. I hope people at work treat you with the same rediculous expectations.
We are so quick to give up Pavano because we all know how it works with the pitchers around here - you either have it or you don't. I know he was injured last season but when healthy, he certainly did NOT look like a $10 million a year player.
NL pitchers making the transition to the AL are just not good...
sundstrom
11-10-05, 09:46 AM
I've heard he calls terrible games because he wants to the pitcher to repeatedly throw fastballs so he will be able to keep up his CS rates. Also his numbers kind of dropped off a cliff last year.
AVG dropped 50 pts
OBP dropped 90 pts
SLG dropped 65 pts
HR dropped by 5
RBI dropped 36.
I'm gonna pass on trading a 33 yr old catcher, for a 33 yr old catcher. Especially considering we'd have to throw in money for Po, considering if they use him as their starting catcher the option would vest.
pudge did have a down year, but that was one year in a horrendous pitchers park. and I would not give any money towards the deal. the tigers have money to spend and taking percival and pena off their hands evens up the money a little.
apolansk
11-10-05, 09:50 AM
pudge did have a down year, but that was one year in a horrendous pitchers park. and I would not give any money towards the deal. the tigers have money to spend and taking percival and pena off their hands evens up the money a little.
I was comparing his numbers to his 2004 season which he played in, Comerica Park. That's no excuse for you're numbers to fall off a cliff like that. Unless you're aging as a catcher.
rhodehead
11-10-05, 09:51 AM
I think a more likely scenario is Carlos Pena and Pitcher or Pitching Prospect for Carl Pavano. If the Tigers miss out on Burnett this year, they could be interested in Pavano, especially in that spacious ballpark. They wanted to sign him last year.
Of course, I would love to get Joel Zumaya from the Tigers, but i don't see that happening (Bonderman, Verlander even less likely). Possibly a lesser prospect like Humberto Sanchez or a backend major league starter like Robertson or Maroth. CF Nook Logan could be an option as well.
I have always liked Pena, he just needs to focus during every at bat. He K's way too much, but has very good power and is a solid defensive 1b with no spot on the current Tigers (Shelton 1b, DMeat DH).
I am not saying i would necessarily do this deal, just food for thought...
sundstrom
11-10-05, 11:07 AM
good point. i think pavano for maroth/pena/logan would also work if you wanted to leave the catchers alone. although i think pudge will age better than posada for the next 2-3 years.
surge511
11-10-05, 12:00 PM
Now that Pudge is off the juice, he will decline quickly. I would have to think before making this deal, since we have no future catcher, and I am not quite ready to give up on Pavano.
Now that Pudge is off the juice, he will decline quickly. I would have to think before making this deal, since we have no future catcher, and I am not quite ready to give up on Pavano.
Pavano pitched well--at least before he got plunked in the head. There is no reason (yet) to think that he can't return to form.
Ok....I don't like it. First, Pudge and Posada are both catchers on a severe decline. I don't really want to add another over the hill catcher if the Yanks are ridding themselves of Posada.
Secondly, I believe Pavano has a much better chance to be a very good pitcher than Maroth. Maroth is going to be what he is- a competent starter. Pavano was injured the whole second part of his year last year, and pitched pretty well before he started hurting. He's a good pitcher when healthy- he just hasn't been healthy.
Percival stunk before his injury- he's about done. No need. Pena I don't mind, but I doubt he'll ever achieve consistency. He reminds me perfectly of Tony Clark- streaks of power, very good glove. Logan is a throwaway- never be much more than a speedster who slaps at the ball.
JeffWeaverFan
11-10-05, 12:24 PM
I don't wany anything to do with Pudge.
SINCE77 2
11-10-05, 12:59 PM
Pavano should be able to nets us Granderson and Pena from the desperate Tigers. Bottom line is that very few top players want to come there and for those who do, the Tigers have to overpay them (Pudge). As someone else mentioned, they might have a better chance of getting Burnett if they have Pavano in the fold. Bonderman, Pavano, and Burnett would make them a formidable force in the AL Central making life very tough on the Sox, Indians, and Twins. If they want legitamacy, they need to make Granderson the focal point of the deal with Pena as a throw in.
sundstrom
11-10-05, 01:08 PM
i'd love granderson, but i just don't think the tigers are going to give a future star for pavano. when i looked at their roster, i figured that both he and shelton were who they were looking to build around. that's why i suggested logan who's a speedy CF.
SINCE77 2
11-10-05, 01:16 PM
i'd love granderson, but i just don't think the tigers are going to give a future star for pavano. when i looked at their roster, i figured that both he and shelton were who they were looking to build around. that's why i suggested logan who's a speedy CF.
They will never win without pitching. I rather keep Pavano if Granderson isn't part of the deal.
cuban_yanksfan
11-10-05, 01:24 PM
Ok....I don't like it. First, Pudge and Posada are both catchers on a severe decline. I don't really want to add another over the hill catcher if the Yanks are ridding themselves of Posada.
Secondly, I believe Pavano has a much better chance to be a very good pitcher than Maroth. Maroth is going to be what he is- a competent starter. Pavano was injured the whole second part of his year last year, and pitched pretty well before he started hurting. He's a good pitcher when healthy- he just hasn't been healthy.
Percival stunk before his injury- he's about done. No need. Pena I don't mind, but I doubt he'll ever achieve consistency. He reminds me perfectly of Tony Clark- streaks of power, very good glove. Logan is a throwaway- never be much more than a speedster who slaps at the ball.
Listen to this guy! He's figured it out.
sundstrom
11-10-05, 01:30 PM
Listen to this guy! He's figured it out.
did he figure out that pavano has had one good year in which he wasn't injured? again, i'm not looking to dump him for nothing, but getting pieces that can help for him (maroth, pena, logan/ganderson) is worth exploring.
cuban_yanksfan
11-10-05, 01:42 PM
did he figure out that pavano has had one good year in which he wasn't injured? again, i'm not looking to dump him for nothing, but getting pieces that can help for him (maroth, pena, logan/ganderson) is worth exploring.
Maroth is interesting, but not for a pitcher who I think can get us 15 wins if he can stay on the mound.
Pena is making slow progress offensivly
HR Avg
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Logan and Granderson each only have 1 year in the majors. Too early to tell how good they'll be.
did he figure out that pavano has had one good year in which he wasn't injured? again, i'm not looking to dump him for nothing, but getting pieces that can help for him (maroth, pena, logan/ganderson) is worth exploring.
He's been injury-plagued his whole career- no doubt. But his stuff in '04 was outstanding, and he built on a decent '03 after coming off another surgery.
I do not think Pavano is a lock to be a very good pitcher- mostly because of injuries. But I am pretty certain his upside is significantly higher than Maroth's.
Also, Granderson isn't going anywhere to those who suggested it.
cuban_yanksfan
11-10-05, 01:53 PM
He's been injury-plagued his whole career- no doubt. But his stuff in '04 was outstanding, and he built on a decent '03 after coming off another surgery.
I do not think Pavano is a lock to be a very good pitcher- mostly because of injuries. But I am pretty certain his upside is significantly higher than Maroth's.
Also, Granderson isn't going anywhere to those who suggested it.
Pavano showed a lot of durability his last 2 seasons with the Marlins. If he had a decent bullpen and an offense like the yankees, he'll win lots of games. Can you blame the guy for getting cracked in the head last season?
Fabien Brandy
11-10-05, 02:07 PM
Right now Pavano has negative trade value - his contract is terrible for what he is. If the Yankees want to pay off a team to take him then that's different, but Pavano at his current deal is not an asset on the balance sheet, he's a liability.
The Tigers would assume an extra $30 million in questionable contracts (Pavano) while the Yankees would offset a bad contract (Pudge for Posada), free themselves of misspent cash (Pavano's $30M) and then have $6M likely wasted in Percival. The rest of the deal (Maroth, Pena and Logan) are all players the Yankees would either be happy to have or be able to quite easily trade.
So unless money changes hands in subsidizing contracts, that deal is a steal for the Yankees.
cuban_yanksfan
11-10-05, 02:14 PM
Right now Pavano has negative trade value - his contract is terrible for what he is. If the Yankees want to pay off a team to take him then that's different, but Pavano at his current deal is not an asset on the balance sheet, he's a liability.
The Tigers would assume an extra $30 million in questionable contracts (Pavano) while the Yankees would offset a bad contract (Pudge for Posada), free themselves of misspent cash (Pavano's $30M) and then have $6M likely wasted in Percival. The rest of the deal (Maroth, Pena and Logan) are all players the Yankees would either be happy to have or be able to quite easily trade.
So unless money changes hands in subsidizing contracts, that deal is a steal for the Yankees.
Exactly. The tigers would be stupid to bite on this unless the yanks shell out some cash
sundstrom
11-10-05, 02:16 PM
Right now Pavano has negative trade value - his contract is terrible for what he is. If the Yankees want to pay off a team to take him then that's different, but Pavano at his current deal is not an asset on the balance sheet, he's a liability.
The Tigers would assume an extra $30 million in questionable contracts (Pavano) while the Yankees would offset a bad contract (Pudge for Posada), free themselves of misspent cash (Pavano's $30M) and then have $6M likely wasted in Percival. The rest of the deal (Maroth, Pena and Logan) are all players the Yankees would either be happy to have or be able to quite easily trade.
So unless money changes hands in subsidizing contracts, that deal is a steal for the Yankees.
while i don't think it's necessarily a steal, i think it is a good deal for both teams. as an earlier poster stated, detroit has money to spend and nobody willing to go there. they have to overpay or perhaps overtrade and if getting pavano lands them burnett as well, i think they make the deal.
TheTinoMobile
11-10-05, 03:17 PM
Why dont we acquire Sammy Sosa, Felix Heredia, re-sign Matt Lawton, give Palmeiro a home, and fix our OF by getting Bonds... then we can have the "All-Steroid" team...Pudge would fit right in then...
no pudge... no... you dont lose 35 pounds for not eating junk food... no
Logan has very little value, and Pena wouldn't net much at all. He'd appeal to the KC's of the world, who could take a shot with a talented guy who hasn't quite materialized. But you wouldn't get real value for him. Maroth? He'd be a functional starter at the back end of a decent rotation. Nothing more.
My point is that there is almost no upside with regard to the players returning from Detroit- you are either getting past their prime players or guys with limited potential. Pavano has by far the greatest chance of anyone in that group to be a major contributor to a championship. Will he? Who knows. But Pavano's era was sitting in the mid 3's, and he had pitched a bunch of decent games, when he started hurting in the middle of May. He pitched for a full month with his velocity in the mid to upper 80's and no break on his offspeed stuff- he was hurt.
When he's been healthy, he's been pretty good. He just hasn't been healthy. The money is already spent- the Yanks can afford to roll the dice, as opposed to simply shedding him for nothing.
pudge is still light years, LIIIIIIGHT YEARS ahead of any other AL catcher defensively. he got JOBBED by not being awarded the gold glove.
peep his stats. he throws out more runners than he allows steals. why? cuz teams abandon their running game when they go against him.
he can get one hit in a season and i'd still want his automatic out butt out there 125 games a year.
best defensive catcher ever? probably.
He's not the same since his body shrunk, probably from stopping the 'roids.
He's not the same since his body shrunk, probably from stopping the 'roids.
His pitchers have also routinely disliked the fact that he almost exclusively calls for fastballs in potential running counts.
cuban_yanksfan
11-10-05, 05:46 PM
His pitchers have also routinely disliked the fact that he almost exclusively calls for fastballs in potential running counts.
Where did you here that? Besides thats part of the cat + mouse game between catchers and runners.
Where did you here that? Besides thats part of the cat + mouse game between catchers and runners.
It's been that way for years. Pudge's pitchers have often spoke out against him. He tends to blow off scouting meetings and, as noted above, his desire to get a good pitch to throw on has gone beyond the cat and mouse game of which you speak and has approached selfishness.
cuban_yanksfan
11-10-05, 06:14 PM
It's been that way for years. Pudge's pitchers have often spoke out against him. He tends to blow off scouting meetings and, as noted above, his desire to get a good pitch to throw on has gone beyond the cat and mouse game of which you speak and has approached selfishness.
He has to call those fastballs because his pitcher refuse hold runners on. A big part of his job is to keep runners from taking extra bases on pitches. There's nothing more frustrating to a catcher than a runner stealing a base on the pitcher. Catchers cant do their job without some kind of cooperation from the pitcher.
Also, The Tigers and Marlins staff got a lot better when Pudge arrived
It seems like a few people are over-valuing Pena. During this last season Pena struggled to the point where the Tigers didn't even want him on the team and shipped him off to their minor league affiliate to rot, there's no way the Yankees give up prospects of any worth for him.
Fabien Brandy
11-10-05, 07:08 PM
The money is already spent- the Yanks can afford to roll the dice, as opposed to simply shedding him for nothing.
That's the point of this trade - the money is not spent already if they deal him. They could take that $30M and use it for a cheaper starter, bullpen aces, to finance a posting fee for the Japanese pitcher, etc.
If Pavano were hitting the free agent market after this past season, what kind of offers would he be getting? The difference between that and 3 yrs./$30M is what the Yankees would be 'shedding for nothing'. Any talent they got back would be in excess of that benefit.
And for a team that is looking for good glove types like Olerud or J.T. Snow, getting a much younger Carlos Pena (OPS+ of 112 the past two seasons) is, not a star acquisition, but exactly what they are looking for.
SINCE77 2
11-10-05, 09:59 PM
The money is already spent- the Yanks can afford to roll the dice, as opposed to simply shedding him for nothing.
That's the point of this trade - the money is not spent already if they deal him. They could take that $30M and use it for a cheaper starter, bullpen aces, to finance a posting fee for the Japanese pitcher, etc.
If Pavano were hitting the free agent market after this past season, what kind of offers would he be getting? The difference between that and 3 yrs./$30M is what the Yankees would be 'shedding for nothing'. Any talent they got back would be in excess of that benefit.
And for a team that is looking for good glove types like Olerud or J.T. Snow, getting a much younger Carlos Pena (OPS+ of 112 the past two seasons) is, not a star acquisition, but exactly what they are looking for.
Well put. Apparently you also appreciate the value of filling needs as opposed to wants.
Crusadecat
11-10-05, 10:20 PM
I like it alot , well thought out too!
Logan has very little value, and Pena wouldn't net much at all. He'd appeal to the KC's of the world, who could take a shot with a talented guy who hasn't quite materialized. But you wouldn't get real value for him. Maroth? He'd be a functional starter at the back end of a decent rotation. Nothing more.
My point is that there is almost no upside with regard to the players returning from Detroit- you are either getting past their prime players or guys with limited potential. Pavano has by far the greatest chance of anyone in that group to be a major contributor to a championship. Will he? Who knows. But Pavano's era was sitting in the mid 3's, and he had pitched a bunch of decent games, when he started hurting in the middle of May. He pitched for a full month with his velocity in the mid to upper 80's and no break on his offspeed stuff- he was hurt.
When he's been healthy, he's been pretty good. He just hasn't been healthy. The money is already spent- the Yanks can afford to roll the dice, as opposed to simply shedding him for nothing.
Absolutely! Couldn't agree more. Pavano isn't going anywhere.
YankeeStripes
11-11-05, 08:14 AM
I dont really like this trade. I think Pavano may be traded, however, but more than likely he will be dealt only in a major trade for someone like Ichiro.
Dannman103
11-11-05, 08:58 AM
i dont see how it makes sense for the tigers...i know they want to get rid of pudge, but they'd be giving up fairly young talent for another old catcher and a pitcfher who as of right now hasnt proven he can pitch in the american league.
He has to call those fastballs because his pitcher refuse hold runners on. A big part of his job is to keep runners from taking extra bases on pitches. There's nothing more frustrating to a catcher than a runner stealing a base on the pitcher. Catchers cant do their job without some kind of cooperation from the pitcher.
Also, The Tigers and Marlins staff got a lot better when Pudge arrived
This goes back to his days in Texas. The complaints occured on a number of occassions. Is it your contention that its always the pitchers' fault and there's nothing to it? That he's never had a single pitcher on his staff who holds runners on? Or, maybe, it's because he wants to make sure he can throw a guy out at the expense of the guy at the plate.
Look, pitchers hardly ever talk down their catchers. When it happens, and its happened with Pudge quite a few times, there's usually something to it.
BTW, the staff ERA for Florida stayed basically the same after Pudge was gone. Perhaps the third of a run drop from 2003 to 2004 had more to do with things like replacing Julain Taverez in the starting rotation with a rookie Dontrelle Willis. You can say the same thing in Detroit and also point out that young pitchers like Bonderman are just following a normal career path.
When I wrote the money was already spent, I meant that the contract was signed. He is getting paid his money- whether it is from the Yanks or another club. With the $ the Yanks are shedding this off-season, and without a huge money free agent likely to encompass that total (it would take 2-3 big names to do so, of which there aren't)- well, I think the Yanks can certainly afford to pay the money as opposed to getting $.75 on the dollar for him.
Fabien Brandy
11-11-05, 11:52 AM
With the $ the Yanks are shedding this off-season, and without a huge money free agent likely to encompass that total (it would take 2-3 big names to do so, of which there aren't)- well, I think the Yanks can certainly afford to pay the money as opposed to getting $.75 on the dollar for him.
I think the Yankees would let Pavano go for nothing if another team claimed him, assuming the remainder of his contract.
You disagree?
ring403
11-27-05, 10:09 AM
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051127/SPORTS0104/511270382/1129
1. Gut feeling on how the Tigers will restock their pitching staff in the days and weeks to come: Detroit will trade for a right-handed starter, whether it's Carl Pavano from the Yankees or, perhaps, Arizona's Javier Vazquez. The Tigers will sign a free-agent reliever. Best bet: Kyle Farnsworth who will get a big -- very big -- three-year offer from the Tigers. If Detroit can't trade for a starter, the Tigers could try to sign free-agent right-hander Matt Morris, who would listen if Detroit has interest.
2. Best guess on who the Tigers might trade (in order): Pudge Rodriguez, Carlos Pena, Craig Monroe, Mike Maroth and Nate Robertson. Only one of the left-handed starters would go, in any event.
Espinosa's Glasses
11-27-05, 10:26 AM
For some reason... I like Monroe
surge511
11-27-05, 10:38 AM
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051127/SPORTS0104/511270382/1129
Wow, how similar to the original trade proposal of this thread.
38Special
11-27-05, 10:39 AM
For some reason... I like Monroe
He's a pretty average player in all facets of the game
Espinosa's Glasses
11-27-05, 10:44 AM
He's a pretty average player in all facets of the game
I know... thats why its funny that I like him
Wang's Groundballs
11-27-05, 11:15 AM
He's a pretty average player in all facets of the game
He looks like a bit above average on defense in the corners and would be a very good platoon partner if we can get someone who can hit RH. I would love to have him along with Jacque Jones as a platoon so Sheff can DH (this is assuming we sign either Giles or trade for someone else to play CF).
The more I think about it, I would trade Pavano to the Tigers if we got a combination that could include Mike Maroth, Carlos Pena, Jamie Walker or Brandon Inge.
AMYanks
11-27-05, 05:11 PM
The more I think about it, I would trade Pavano to the Tigers if we got a combination that could include Mike Maroth, Carlos Pena, Jamie Walker or Brandon Inge.
Pavano for Granderson and Maroth. If Granderson wasn't in the deal, or if the Tigers didn't take on ALL of Pavano's salary, I'd just as soon not trade him, and see what we could get out of him for us next year.
Pavano for Granderson and Maroth. If Granderson wasn't in the deal, or if the Tigers didn't take on ALL of Pavano's salary, I'd just as soon not trade him, and see what we could get out of him for us next year.
Granderson might be asking for a bit much but I would definately want Jamie Walker. The Tigers wouldn't likely eat all the salary but if we were willing to chip in some cash, I would be happy with two of Walker, Inge and Maroth.
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