View Full Version : Bob Howry...Go get em' Cashman
yank4life2005
11-09-05, 05:53 PM
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Indians | Howry Wants Three-year Deal
Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:49:28 -0800
The Cleveland Plain Dealer's Paul Hoynes reports free agent RP Bob Howry wants a three-year deal worth between $10 million and $12 million. The Cleveland Indians considered making Howry a two-year offer for an estimated $7.5 million, but agent Craig Landis thinks his client can get a better deal.
27IsNext
11-09-05, 05:57 PM
Could prove to be too expensive, but I'd definately go after him provided we can get him at a fair price.
I like Howry but the reality is that he's only really had 1 great full season since he was with the White Sox.
3 years and $12 million is a lot to invest on a 32 year old with a limited track record.
27IsNext
11-09-05, 05:59 PM
This is why it's foolish to overspend on relievers: they're too unpredictable on a year-to-year basis.
His era+ the last 2 years was 166!!!
yank4life2005
11-09-05, 06:02 PM
Howry has been solid the last 2 years and has good movement on his pitches. I agree the 4MM per is a bit steep but I would do a 3yr/10 though.
His era+ the last 2 years was 166!!!
For a short reliever, that doesn't deserve all those !!!
bakntime
11-09-05, 06:09 PM
Being a reliever in the AL Central pads your numbers, especially when you pitch on the best offensive team in the Central. Facing the Twins, Royals, Tigers, and White Sox for nearly half of your season is going to make your pitching numbers better than they'd be, say, in the AL East.
If you check out his splits (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=6036&type=pitching&year=2005), you'll see he absolutely beat up on the Twins, Tigers and White Sox, pitching just under 30 of his innings against those three teams combined (roughly 41% of his total innings pitched), and he basically shut those teams down. On the other hand, he struggled against better offenses like the Yankees and Red Sox, granted the sample sizes were smaller against them.
I'm not saying he's not decent, but his numbers would certainly be worse pitching in the AL East, and I don't think he's worth a large, multi-year deal as a would-be "average" middle reliever on the Yankees.
JeffWeaverFan
11-09-05, 06:58 PM
I'm not sold on Howry as his K rate was not great last year - although it has in previous seasons. I'd much prefer Farnsworth. With our subpar defense, K rate is very important and Farnsworth fits that bill.
Enter_Sandman_42
11-09-05, 07:13 PM
he has only had one good year hasnt he if I recall, that was this year, not sure I would stick 3 years and whatever amount of $$ into him.
Stealthspy
11-09-05, 07:14 PM
His post all-star ERA last year was 0.99. I'd love a two year deal with an option that becomes guaranteed based on incentives.
ICEBERG18
11-09-05, 07:17 PM
I'd much prefer Farnsworth.
I agree with you.
vin777b
11-09-05, 07:27 PM
don't know, but i'll be freakin p*ssed, if we do not hand B.J. Ryan a blank check. He is the one you lock up.
nyyanksfan20
11-09-05, 07:44 PM
I'm not sold on a guy who a couple of years ago was nearly out of the league. Guys like this worry me.
surge511
11-09-05, 08:21 PM
I think its a given that Ryan is the main guy being targeted, and the Yanks will go balls-out to get him. So the question is: who would you rather have, Farnsworth, Howry, Gordon, or a different righty setup man under Ryan? All those guys will probably require somewhat similar money.
SINCE77 2
11-09-05, 09:40 PM
I think its a given that Ryan is the main guy being targeted, and the Yanks will go balls-out to get him. So the question is: who would you rather have, Farnsworth, Howry, Gordon, or a different righty setup man under Ryan? All those guys will probably require somewhat similar money.
Dotel, if Gordon can't be retained. I'd also like to get Rincon on board if possible, unless we can find a lefty specialist in the minors.
scooterfan
11-09-05, 11:38 PM
if we sign Ryan, there's no way I'd sign Howry to that kind of deal
He's not worth it.
Sign Dotel to an incentive-laden deal, re-sign Sturtze, bring a few more warm bodies to camp along with JB Cox, and go from there
if we sign Ryan, there's no way I'd sign Howry to that kind of deal
He's not worth it.
Sign Dotel to an incentive-laden deal, re-sign Sturtze, bring a few more warm bodies to camp along with JB Cox, and go from there
Sounds good to me.... Ryan is definitely the key!
ICEBERG18
11-11-05, 09:15 AM
I agree with you.
The Mets and Yankees have both expressed interest in free-agent reliever Kyle Farnsworth, according to agent Barry Meister
NewEraYanks2527
11-11-05, 10:09 AM
Sounds good to me.... Ryan is definitely the key!
Signing Ryan is a MUST, then if Gordon walks see if Farnsworth or Howry can be persuaded to come here. I'd rather see Farnsworth but Howry is a good backup plan. Leading up to Mo if we had Farnsworth or Howry and Ryan, thats a pretty mean back end of the bullpen.
Once again, I'd point out that it is highly unlikely that Dotel will pitch effectively his first year back from TJ. It just doesn't happen. If you are going to take a flier on him, you do it for depth and you still have to get a RH setup type.
Being a reliever in the AL Central pads your numbers, especially when you pitch on the best offensive team in the Central. Facing the Twins, Royals, Tigers, and White Sox for nearly half of your season is going to make your pitching numbers better than they'd be, say, in the AL East.
bj ryan's #s vs boston and NY last season were horrendous and dominant vs everybody else.
just sayin'..
Quangormo
11-11-05, 10:22 AM
Sign Howry and Ryan and the bridge to Mariano is built, evne without Flash.
Steve Karsay, my friends, Steve Karsay. A reliever with a very good arm, injury history up the yin yang, coming off a very good season?
Steve Karsay......
I like Howry, but he'd be a risk at big money and more than two years. Could they afford to eat it? Sure. And if healthy, he probably pitches well. But, as mentioned above, a reliever with a history of arm trouble is a risk. It worked out with Flash, not with Karsay.
I don't mind if they sign him, other than to say there's a 50/50 chance it works out poorly.
Stupid Flanders
11-11-05, 11:18 AM
I'm not sold on Howry as his K rate was not great last year - although it has in previous seasons. I'd much prefer Farnsworth. With our subpar defense, K rate is very important and Farnsworth fits that bill.I've been preaching Kyle for a while now.
stupidpunchline
11-11-05, 12:10 PM
He's a type A free agent and will most certainly be offered arbitration by the Indians.
I have no interest in seeing the Yankees give up a first round pick for any middle reliever
Yankee Clipper
11-11-05, 01:34 PM
I've been preaching Kyle for a while now.
Farnsworth has been good for 1 year and I think he was another product of Mazzone, kinda like Hammonds and Wright. Ask cub fans, he's terrible in pressure situations.
Yankyfan
11-11-05, 02:59 PM
I'd rather Farnsworth for that cash.
ICEBERG18
11-11-05, 03:05 PM
I'd rather Farnsworth for that cash.
Yes, sir.
Yankee Clipper
11-11-05, 03:18 PM
Farnsworth is terrible. He did well in Atlanta because of Mazzone and benefited as a result. He'll be like Chris Hammonds except throw 30 mph faster. He's not worth it.
I do like the idea of Karsay. He'd be relatively cheap and he did well the one healhty year he was here. Its something ot look into,
Fabien Brandy
11-11-05, 03:24 PM
Who is Chris Hammonds?
just-blaze
11-11-05, 04:28 PM
Farnsworth is terrible. He did well in Atlanta because of Mazzone and benefited as a result. He'll be like Chris Hammonds except throw 30 mph faster. He's not worth it.
I do like the idea of Karsay. He'd be relatively cheap and he did well the one healhty year he was here. Its something ot look into,
Ummm... He did real good in Detroit and had a couple of great years in Chicago.
Sorry, but the only thing Mazzone could have done is keep him dominant last year. He was good before Mazzone could work any magic.
And, you want to sign a reliever that we outright released last year?
Yankyfan
11-11-05, 04:32 PM
I have to dis agree!! Farnsworth is good at setting up and as long as you don't ask him to close he's been pretty good.I also bet Ortiz would back off the plate a little.
Stealthspy
11-11-05, 06:34 PM
Farnsworth is terrible. He did well in Atlanta because of Mazzone and benefited as a result. He'll be like Chris Hammonds except throw 30 mph faster. He's not worth it.
I do like the idea of Karsay. He'd be relatively cheap and he did well the one healhty year he was here. Its something ot look into,Farnsworth is not terrible, but I have a bad feeling about him in NYC.
Karsay? He lost a lot with that shoulder injury. It could have been career ending... why do you think he was released?
Yankee Clipper
11-11-05, 07:10 PM
Ummm... He did real good in Detroit and had a couple of great years in Chicago.
Sorry, but the only thing Mazzone could have done is keep him dominant last year. He was good before Mazzone could work any magic.
And, you want to sign a reliever that we outright released last year?
I'm saying I don't want to fall into the same trap of a guy having a great year on his walk year, so he benefits on his contract. We've done that too many times lately and I just see this as another example.
Yankee Clipper
11-11-05, 07:15 PM
Farnsworth is not terrible, but I have a bad feeling about him in NYC.
Karsay? He lost a lot with that shoulder injury. It could have been career ending... why do you think he was released?
I know, but it could be a Jon Leiber situation with Karsay, plus you know he's going to be very cheap. I just don't want to commit big contracts to pitchers cause they usually don't pan out too well. I have no problem with Ryan getting a contract because he's a lefty we've been missing for a while, but the other righties are like the same old guys we've been signing.
under Ryan this may be the most consistent guy avail. go get em Cash!!!
NewEraYanks2527
11-17-05, 10:50 PM
I like Howry better than I liked Eyre as an option, of course he isn't a lefty but I think the Yankees could pull off signing Rincon or Myers or both to be lefties out of the pen if Ryan doesnt come aboard, and yes I saw the Newsday article and no I dont put much stock in it.
nyg02005
11-17-05, 11:37 PM
Another reliever that we should hurry up. Giving them an initial offer shows that you are really interested in them and not just looking at them as a backup. Maybe if the yankees have offered a salary to eyre, things could have been different.
StatenIslandYankee
11-17-05, 11:37 PM
Lefty doesn't matter, get the best available arm.
Dooley Womack
11-18-05, 01:28 AM
I can't say he's worse than what we have but he doesn't excite me, especially his very pedestrian K/9 rate.
Give me Farnsworth, his live arm, his potential and Kerrigan to guide him.
We cannot afford to miss the boat on top relief pitching this offseason. We need to make the appropriate offers to guys like Howry, Farnsworth, Rincon and possibly guys like Braden Looper, Rudy Seanez and Julian Tavarez.
Another reliever that we should hurry up. Giving them an initial offer shows that you are really interested in them and not just looking at them as a backup. Maybe if the yankees have offered a salary to eyre, things could have been different.
They were very interested. Torre even called the guy.
I Love Wang
11-18-05, 02:22 PM
The fact that he sports a mediocre K/9 (5.92), and lousy G/F (0.87)ratio scares me. Relievers who don't strike people out, while giving up a lot of flyballs are a dangerous proposition. I'd rather go after Farnsworth.
Eyre was pretty straight forward right from the start when he expressed he didn't want to leave the N.L. I genuinely have a real appreciation for a guy like Eyre, he was perfectly honest right from the start and didn't make any attempt to play games with teams he had no interest in.
Yanksagain
11-18-05, 02:25 PM
We cannot afford to miss the boat on top relief pitching this offseason. We need to make the appropriate offers to guys like Howry, Farnsworth, Rincon and possibly guys like Braden Looper, Rudy Seanez and Julian Tavarez.
I'd probably just add Dotel (incentive contract) and Gordon to this list.
When you look at this list Howry becomes even more valuable. Not much relief help in that list.
nyg02005
11-18-05, 03:10 PM
They were very interested. Torre even called the guy.
I still think they did not move fast enough. When torre called eyre, the other teams have already way far ahead of the yankees in negotiations, that is why he was able to signed quickly.
Yankees1962
11-18-05, 03:32 PM
I still think they did not move fast enough. When torre called eyre, the other teams have already way far ahead of the yankees in negotiations, that is why he was able to signed quickly.
Based on media sources, Eyre was intent on staying in the weaker hitting league.
nyg02005
11-18-05, 03:38 PM
Based on media sources, Eyre was intent on staying in the weaker hitting league.
It maybe true but I still believe that the yankees were and still are confident in getting ryan so they were not aggresive with other relievers.
Yankees1962
11-18-05, 03:40 PM
It maybe true but I still believe that the yankees were and still are confident in getting ryan so they were not aggresive with other relievers.
Unless you have a daily log of Cashman's calls from his cell phone, you don't have any idea how aggressive the Yankees have been with any of the free agents. I guess you probably want the Yankees to bring these free agents to NYC to wine and dine them.
nyg02005
11-18-05, 04:07 PM
no, i want them to force the issue lets say on ryan.
no, i want them to force the issue lets say on ryan.
What does "force the issue" mean? Sorry, I don't think the Yankee have a Luca Brasi in their organization. You can't force a player to sign with you if he is not interested.
nyg02005
11-18-05, 04:50 PM
What does "force the issue" mean? Sorry, I don't think the Yankee have a Luca Brasi in their organization. You can't force a player to sign with you if he is not interested.
For player that the yankees are high on such as ryan, offer him the maximum money than you are willing to give him and if they do not signed, move on to another player.
Yankyfan
11-18-05, 04:55 PM
I think the fact Torre called Eyer and not Ryan tells you all you need to know anout where he's not going to sign.
IronCaballo4
11-18-05, 05:04 PM
How many decent lefty relievers are left out there? I know Eyre and Sauerbeck signed already...so aside from Ryan, who's good?
NewEraYanks2527
11-22-05, 11:25 AM
The Newark Star Ledger is reporting the Cubs are nearing an agreement with Bob Howry, looks like our choice of relievers is getting smaller and smaller and smaller...
nyg02005
11-22-05, 11:41 AM
The Newark Star Ledger is reporting the Cubs are nearing an agreement with Bob Howry, looks like our choice of relievers is getting smaller and smaller and smaller...
do not worry we got that veras guy signed.
NewEraYanks2527
11-22-05, 11:48 AM
do not worry we got that veras guy signed.
Oh yea big relief there, phew and I almost thought we were really screwed.
JeffWeaverFan
11-22-05, 11:56 AM
The Newark Star Ledger is reporting the Cubs are nearing an agreement with Bob Howry, looks like our choice of relievers is getting smaller and smaller and smaller...
The Yankees better start f*cking signing some good relievers or this offseason is going to be a joke.
I Love Wang
11-22-05, 11:58 AM
Bob Howry sucks. Low K rate combine with terrible G/F ratio = about to explode in a sea of home runs allowed.
The Yankees better start f*cking signing some good relievers or this offseason is going to be a joke.
Or at least start taking some out to lunch and showing them around town.
mjdlight
11-22-05, 12:09 PM
I really think Cashman is going to be forced to attempt to piece a bullpen together with kids and scrapheap players this season.
Welcome to the Small/Chacon/Wang offseason.
Yankees1962
11-22-05, 12:12 PM
The Yankees better start f*cking signing some good relievers or this offseason is going to be a joke.
About time the Yankees start acting like the other ballclubs.
MTYankee23
11-22-05, 12:18 PM
The Yankees better start f*cking signing some good relievers or this offseason is going to be a joke.
There was only 1 potential reliever worth signing this offseason, BJ Ryan. I'm sure the FO is doing what they can to bring him in. The others (Hoffman, Wagner) are likely closers. (Howry, Eyre, Tavarez) are average guys that are going to make outrageous money because there's a lack of BP help. The only guy at this point worth looking into is Farnsworth, and even at that, I wouldn't pay too much for him.
There are a lot of effective bullpens in the major leagues that are compiled of young guys and converted starters looking at their last shot.
JeffWeaverFan
11-22-05, 12:27 PM
There was only 1 potential reliever worth signing this offseason, BJ Ryan. I'm sure the FO is doing what they can to bring him in. The others (Hoffman, Wagner) are likely closers. (Howry, Eyre, Tavarez) are average guys that are going to make outrageous money because there's a lack of BP help. The only guy at this point worth looking into is Farnsworth, and even at that, I wouldn't pay too much for him.
There are a lot of effective bullpens in the major leagues that are compiled of young guys and converted starters looking at their last shot.
Howry and Taveraz have been good for the last couple years and if we want to have a good BP, we will have to give them the money. Farnsworth has got great stuff and has put it together and we better sign him. I'd give him a 3 year deal.
Yes, there are a ton of bullpens that are compiled of young guys from the system. Unfortunatately, we don't have guys in our system that are ready to pitch relief in the majors. J. Brent Cox is not ready yet and neither is Joshua Schmidt.
I don't know what starters we are converting. Small will be there but he's not setup guy. Wright will be the long reliever. Chacon has been much better as a starter than a reliever.
MTYankee23
11-22-05, 12:32 PM
Howry and Taveraz have been good for the last couple years and if we want to have a good BP, we will have to give them the money. Farnsworth has got great stuff and has put it together and we better sign him. I'd give him a 3 year deal.
Yes, there are a ton of bullpens that are compiled of young guys from the system. Unfortunatately, we don't have guys in our system that are ready to pitch relief in the majors. J. Brent Cox is not ready yet and neither is Joshua Schmidt.
I don't know what starters we are converting. Small will be there but he's not setup guy. Wright will be the long reliever. Chacon has been much better as a starter than a reliever.
Quantrill, Karsay, Stanton and Chris Hammond had also put together a couple years of good numbers, we saw the danger in giving them the money. And oftentimes, the young kids who get bullpen slots, are not highly rated like Cox is. Schmidt has put up one good season in Short Season A ball, let's not get ahead of ourselves with that one.
JeffWeaverFan
11-22-05, 12:40 PM
Quantrill, Karsay, Stanton and Chris Hammond had also put together a couple years of good numbers, we saw the danger in giving them the money. And oftentimes, the young kids who get bullpen slots, are not highly rated like Cox is. Schmidt has put up one good season in Short Season A ball, let's not get ahead of ourselves with that one.
Your right about Quantrill but given our defense, he wasn't a good idea.
We knew what we were getting in Karsay. Someone that has injury problems but when healthy, is good.
Stanton? Stanton sucked with the Mets and when we did trade for him, many people here stated that we would have rather just released Heredia rather than getting Stanton in return.
Hammond was actually good for the Yankees with his 2.86 ERA for the season. What happened with Hammond is that he blew a game against the Red Sox late in the season of that year. Jeff Weaver had started that game and had pitched brilliantly but Torre took him out in the 7th after he hit a batter (or something along those lines). Hammond came in and blew it and Torre stopped using him. All in all though, Hammond was everything we could have asked for.
We don't have guys that I think can come in here and be a 8th inning guy that are ready to pitch. I'd give Colter Bean a shot but he won't be given one.
mjdlight
11-22-05, 12:41 PM
I'd give Colter Bean a shot but he won't be given one.
That's just it though. I seriously think that might be changing this year. Only time will tell.
NewEraYanks2527
11-22-05, 12:58 PM
That's just it though. I seriously think that might be changing this year. Only time will tell.
I would also give Colter Bean a shot too, maybe things are changing and the Yankees are going to start promoting from within, wouldnt that be something. Why not give Bean a shot at least, he pitched a total of one inning in the majors with 2K's, 2 BBs and 1ER. Why not at least let him see if he can prove himself, see if we cant sign some relievers in the process but at least give some of these minor league guys a shot, Bean isn't a kid either, he is 28 and yea you can say "well him being 28 and still in the minors says alot" yet he has consistantly put up an ERA under 3 in his latest years in the minors, why not give him a shot.
ICEBERG18
11-22-05, 01:09 PM
I really think Cashman is going to be forced to attempt to piece a bullpen together with kids and scrapheap players this season.
Welcome to the Small/Chacon/Wang offseason.
There is a perception that things haven't gone our way this offseason," Brian Cashman said Tuesday morning. "But everything that's happened so far is not unexpected to me."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=2233264
NewEraYanks2527
11-22-05, 01:11 PM
There is a perception that things haven't gone our way this offseason," Brian Cashman said Tuesday morning. "But everything that's happened so far is not unexpected to me."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=2233264
Maybe Cashman is sitting there like Supervillain saying "All is going to plan MUHAHAHAH, Wait'll they got a load of us." I sure hope so.
The Dynasty
11-22-05, 03:16 PM
There is a perception that things haven't gone our way this offseason," Brian Cashman said Tuesday morning. "But everything that's happened so far is not unexpected to me."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster&id=2233264
Great article. Its weird being a Yanks fan and not seeing the Yanks do something irrational and reactionary, but its starting to hit me more and more that we're a better team when we decide to not overpay for mediocre players.
nyg02005
11-22-05, 04:06 PM
What do you expect cashman to say that he failed in all his attempt to sign players? will he say that eyre rejected the yankees and ryan has no interest in the yankees and so is Giles?
JeffWeaverFan
11-22-05, 04:13 PM
What do you expect cashman to say that he failed in all his attempt to sign players? will he say that eyre rejected the yankees and ryan has no interest in the yankees and so is Giles?
Cashman is a man of his word. He knew going in that there was a good possibility that Ryan would want to close. He also knew that Giles had the Yankees in his no-trade clause and is a West Coast guy. He's got backup plans and he also has an overall plan of not giving out bad contracts and not trading our prospects.
whalers
11-22-05, 04:28 PM
He's got backup plans and he also has an overall plan of not giving out bad contracts and not trading our prospects.
Exactly. Although I dont mind trading prospects as long its not for a guy like juan pierre.
PaidYoung
11-22-05, 10:17 PM
Could prove to be too expensive, but I'd definately go after him provided we can get him at a fair price.
agreed but at age 32 he is a risk...and he did have a prior surgery with the white sox ..and the indians used him wisely. We know torre loves to overuse the bullpen so i don't know if this would be the right place for him
Fabien Brandy
11-22-05, 11:00 PM
Has Rincon been mentioned?
nyg02005
11-22-05, 11:05 PM
ken rosenthal is reporting that the astros are open to trading lidge for a power bat.
knickfan23
11-23-05, 12:51 AM
ken rosenthal is reporting that the astros are open to trading lidge for a power bat.
Are you suggesting Sheffield for Brad Lidge? :D :D
I Love Wang
11-23-05, 02:15 AM
If we can sign Giles, I'd seriously think about Sheffield for Lidge.
AMYanks
11-23-05, 11:38 AM
If we can sign Giles, I'd seriously think about Sheffield for Lidge.
I wouldn't think about it, I'd do it in a heartbeat... granted, we sign Giles.
nyg02005
11-23-05, 11:51 AM
Are you suggesting Sheffield for Brad Lidge? :D :D
no way the astros will take sheff. There should be a thrid team for this to work out.
cuban_yanksfan
11-23-05, 12:07 PM
Exactly. Although I dont mind trading prospects as long its not for a guy like juan pierre.
Juan is not the answer for CF. The weak arm, the increase probability of injury. I don't like the way he would fit the team. No extra base pop, doesn't walk enough for a great leadoff guy. We might as well save prospects and leave bubba in there
cuban_yanksfan
11-23-05, 12:13 PM
no way the astros will take sheff. There should be a thrid team for this to work out.
This might be the most interesting rumor for the yanks I've heard yet. Get Lidge to apprentice for Mo. But if not Sheff, who?
We'd have to pony up Cano, Wang or both to a team like the Reds, Marlins, Pirates, A's or Rangers. Neither of those really seem to have interests in getting better and just like to collect prospects
nyg02005
11-23-05, 12:29 PM
back to howry, Is it true that he already signed with the cubs?
nyg02005
11-23-05, 12:36 PM
This might be the most interesting rumor for the yanks I've heard yet. Get Lidge to apprentice for Mo. But if not Sheff, who?
We'd have to pony up Cano, Wang or both to a team like the Reds, Marlins, Pirates, A's or Rangers. Neither of those really seem to have interests in getting better and just like to collect prospects
How about trading Pavano to the rangers for blalock, nix and adrian gonsalez. Then trade blalock and gonsalez to the astros for lidge and kept nix as our cf.
RobbiMan
11-23-05, 02:15 PM
ken rosenthal is reporting that the astros are open to trading lidge for a power bat.
Where is he reporting this? Even if this was true, the Astros could do better than Sheffield who only has a year left on his contract and has promised to make life miserable if he is on any team not named the Yankees.
RobbiMan
11-23-05, 02:16 PM
How about trading Pavano to the rangers for blalock, nix and adrian gonsalez. Then trade blalock and gonsalez to the astros for lidge and kept nix as our cf.
I hope you are proposing paying all of Pavano's salary + throwing in a good prosepect.
I Love Wang
11-23-05, 02:24 PM
I hope you are proposing paying all of Pavano's salary + throwing in a good prosepect.
And fellating the Rangers' GM. Thats a lot more than they were willing to give up for Beckett, and you have to figure that Pavano's stock is a lot lower than his right now.
nyg02005
11-23-05, 02:31 PM
And fellating the Rangers' GM. Thats a lot more than they were willing to give up for Beckett, and you have to figure that Pavano's stock is a lot lower than his right now.
They are giving up one of their top pitching prospect aside from blalock while in this case they are giving up on gonsalez who is block by teixeira and nix who fall out of favor. They are also getting beckett and the salary of lowell while in this case they can get pavano and the yankees can eat some of his contract.
RobbiMan
11-23-05, 02:37 PM
They are giving up one of their top pitching prospect aside from blalock while in this case they are giving up on gonsalez who is block by teixeira and nix who fall out of favor. They are also getting beckett and the salary of lowell while in this case they can get pavano and the yankees can eat some of his contract.
Some? The Yankees would have to eat all of his contract and then toss in a combination of Duncan, Cox, Hughes, Wang, Cano. The other reasons that this proposed deal makes no sense is that the Rangers would be trading their 3B to a team that already has one so that team (the Yankees) could spin Blalock to a team that already has a quality 3B (Houston, Ensberg). Berkman plays first base so they don't need Adrian Gonzalez. It's not a good fit, especially if it meant the Astros would be moving Lidge who, btw, only cost the Astros $500k in 2005. Trading Lidge makes absolutely no sense for the Astros unless they are getting Albert Pujols or Manny Ramirez (with the Red Sox paying ALL of the remaining freight).
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