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27IsNext
11-08-05, 07:25 PM
One area that is often overlooked but is nonetheless very important is the bench. In recent years, we have some pretty useless benches. It's time to change that.
The recent approach is that Cashman is trying to cut payroll. As a result, he announced today that Phillips will be backing up Giambi. It looks to me like he'll be looking to the farm for cheap, young players who have the potential to get better when filling up the reserves.
Personally, I would like to see Kevin Thompson be given the role of being a pinch runner, and someone who provides some late-inning defense. Unlike Crosby, Thompson apparantly has good skills on the basepaths. Also, what is the opinion on letting Felix Escalona be the backup IFer?
We still need a good bat off the bench, and a backup catcher who can hit and play decent defense. My vote is Eduardo Perez. As for the catcher, any suggestions?
Phillips is an excellent start.
I don't see Thompson being on the team after his awful stint at Columbus.
I don't want Escalona either.
brosiusbuddy
11-08-05, 07:30 PM
Personally, I would like to see Kevin Thompson be given the role of being a pinch runner, ?
This won't happen unless Womack is off the team.
I would like to get Pratt and Cairo to be on our bench.
Steph19
11-08-05, 07:35 PM
The return of Miguel Cairo?
I wouldn't mind it. He's better then Escalona.
He also said he likes working with Don Mattingly so maybe he could improve... have a year somewhere between his 2004 and 2005.
brosiusbuddy
11-08-05, 07:39 PM
The return of Miguel Cairo?
I wouldn't mind it. He's better then Escalona.
He also said he likes working with Don Mattingly so maybe he could improve... have a year somewhere between his 2004 and 2005.
Would he still demand more money than he's worth like he did before we let him go?
gamesix1977
11-08-05, 07:47 PM
So Tino is gone then?
Would he still demand more money than he's worth like he did before we let him go?
He made 900k last year with the Mets. How much more would he ask for? 1.4M-1.5M? I don't think thats bad.
brosiusbuddy
11-08-05, 07:56 PM
He made 900k last year with the Mets. How much more would he ask for? 1.4M-1.5M? I don't think thats bad.
Well he asked for about that much or maybe a little more after his '04 yanks season and we didn't give it to him..
and in response to the other poster's comments, Tino's option was not picked up and I believe his contract was bought out for 250k
yankees76
11-08-05, 07:57 PM
That reminds me ... not sure that dissing Miggy last offseason and turning around and quickly signing Womack was Cash's finest moment, given how each played in 2005. But, at least it resulted in the promotion of Cano. Would be nice to have Miggy back, though. He's a solid glove. Not sure how good his bat will be if he doesn't play much, but my selective memory is that he is at least a good bunter, with some speed on the basepaths. Would be good off the bench.
That reminds me ... not sure that dissing Miggy last offseason and turning around and quickly signing Womack was Cash's finest moment, given how each played in 2005. But, at least it resulted in the promotion of Cano. Would be nice to have Miggy back, though. He's a solid glove. Not sure how good his bat will be if he doesn't play much, but my selective memory is that he is at least a good bunter, with some speed on the basepaths. Would be good off the bench.
I read that getting Womack was Emslie's idea and he pushed for it.
Well he asked for about that much or maybe a little more after his '04 yanks season and we didn't give it to him..
and in response to the other poster's comments, Tino's option was not picked up and I believe his contract was bought out for 250k
I can't believe that the Yankees were balking about giving Cairo a couple more hundred thousand, but had no problem giving Wright, Womack, and Pavano outrageous contracts.
YankeePride1967
11-08-05, 08:01 PM
While our CF and bullpen may be Exhibit A of improvement needed, the bench needs help as well. I want to see a bench of players that can defend a position more so than a PH like Sierra. We need flexible players that can do some hitting and some fielding.
My IDEAL Bench for 2006 would be:
C: Gary Bennett, Todd Greene or Paul Bako
1B: Travis Lee
IF: Miguel Cairo
IF/OF: Rob Mackowiak
OF: Bubba Crosby
yankees76
11-08-05, 08:08 PM
I read that getting Womack was Emslie's idea and he pushed for it.
Well, our newly man-sized Cashman will now squash ideas like that from Tampa.
YankeePride1967
11-08-05, 08:09 PM
If used right, Womack could have a role on the team. As a pinch-runner.
My Bench:
C: Todd Pratt
1B/OF: Travis Lee or a good cheap Left handed bat
1B/3B: Andy Phillips
3rd/SS/2nd: Miguel Cairo
CF/RF/LF: Kevin Thompson
yankees76
11-08-05, 08:11 PM
If used right, Womack could have a role on the team. As a pinch-runner.
I'm sure Womack wants a fulltime job at 2B back in the NL. And even if he didn't, I bet he gets moved this offseason.
nyg02005
11-08-05, 08:40 PM
we need somebody who can play the OF and IF like figgins, freel and co. Mabry have a good yr with St. Louis and he can play 3rd base and OF, if only he can play a little bit of 2nd base or shortstop. How about willie harris of the white sox?
JeterRodriguezSheff
11-08-05, 08:44 PM
guys cairo wanted to sign with the Yankees, and the yankees made a good offer but his agent didnt tell cairo and he signed with the mets without even knowing the yankees made an offer. As you can guess cairo fired his agent.
YankeePride1967
11-08-05, 08:45 PM
I'm sure Womack wants a fulltime job at 2B back in the NL. And even if he didn't, I bet he gets moved this offseason.
If the Yanks choose to use him in this manner, Womack doesn't have a say, he's under contract through the 2006 season.
yankees76
11-08-05, 08:54 PM
If the Yanks choose to use him in this manner, Womack doesn't have a say, he's under contract through the 2006 season.
I can't see any sense in paying a guy $2.0 million to be our pichrunner next year. We must have a dozen guys in the Minors who are faster than an aging Tony Wo.
YankeePride1967
11-08-05, 08:59 PM
I can't see any sense in paying a guy $2.0 million to be our pichrunner next year. We must have a dozen guys in the Minors who are faster than an aging Tony Wo.
And eat the $2 million? He certainly can't be traded.
longtimeyankeefan
11-08-05, 08:59 PM
I can't believe that the Yankees were balking about giving Cairo a couple more hundred thousand, but had no problem giving Wright, Womack, and Pavano outrageous contracts.
I thought I read somewhere that the Yankees gave Cairo's agent an offer that he (the agent) rejected without ever taking it to Miquel, so the Yankees went with Womack instead. As a result, the agent was fired - at least this situation is what I recall from last offseason.
Of course, Alzheimer's could be setting in too.
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As far as the bench goes, I can stand Phillips as the backup corner IFer. I would also hand him an OFers glove during spring training so that he could be prepared to backup, in an emergency, a corner OF position.
At catcher, I think we need to accept the fact that Posada is staying on this team and acquire someone like Alberto Castillo. I don't see players like Molina or Diaz signing with the Yankees when Posada is still around for the next couple of years, so we have to, instead, look for the more classic backup catcher. Todd Pratt would be another good idea.
We need to move Womack - he honestly can't defensively backup any position, so he needs to be gone.
To replace him and act as the middle IF backup, what about Canoabo Cosme?
To backup the OF, I think we see Crosby back. I would also bring up Thompson.
Last, I would bring back Bernie as a DH/PH.
I Love Wang
11-08-05, 09:28 PM
I would keep Crosby as the reserve outfielder, because he's better defensively than Thompson, and just hang on to Womack and use him as the backup middle infielder and pinch running specialist. Phillips backs up at 1st and 3rd, so all you need now is a lefty outfield bat and a backup catcher.
27IsNext
11-08-05, 10:27 PM
Phillips is an excellent start.
I don't see Thompson being on the team after his awful stint at Columbus.
I don't want Escalona either.
Who would you recommend for backup middle IF and OF positions?
AMYanks
11-08-05, 10:28 PM
Good move with Phillips.
longtimeyankeefan
11-08-05, 10:42 PM
I would keep Crosby as the reserve outfielder, because he's better defensively than Thompson, and just hang on to Womack and use him as the backup middle infielder and pinch running specialist. Phillips backs up at 1st and 3rd, so all you need now is a lefty outfield bat and a backup catcher.
Womack is a lousy 2Bman and has no experience at SS. Granted, you can always play the ARod slides over deal, but keeping Womack to backup the middle IF makes little sense.
See what you can get for him in trade, preferably to a NL team where his game seems to be more suited.
brosiusbuddy
11-08-05, 11:05 PM
If used right, Womack could have a role on the team. As a pinch-runner.
If used right, Womack will be traded.
apolansk
11-08-05, 11:08 PM
That reminds me ... not sure that dissing Miggy last offseason and turning around and quickly signing Womack was Cash's finest moment, given how each played in 2005.
I heard on M&MD that Cash read about the Womack signing in the morning paper.
27IsNext
11-09-05, 12:20 AM
Womack is a lousy 2Bman and has no experience at SS. Granted, you can always play the ARod slides over deal, but keeping Womack to backup the middle IF makes little sense.
See what you can get for him in trade, preferably to a NL team where his game seems to be more suited.
I believe Womack was a shortstop for a good number of years...
Who would you recommend for backup middle IF and OF positions?
IF: What's D'Angelo Jimenez's status?
OF: Bubba, although if Matsui would end that stupid streak, Jacque Jones could be signed to play a number of OF positions, but not necessarily start every day.
27IsNext
11-09-05, 12:56 AM
IF: What's D'Angelo Jimenez's status?
OF: Bubba, although if Matsui would end that stupid streak, Jacque Jones could be signed to play a number of OF positions, but not necessarily start every day.
He's a free agent.
Bubba can't hit a lick, and has poor basepath skills. Pass.
EDIT: Who is this Jimenez character? I've searched Google and BaseballCube, and can't find a thing on this guy.
27IsNext
11-09-05, 01:02 AM
Nevermind, it would help if I didn't put an "e" in D'Angelo after the "d."
Hmm, his stats for this year stunk. I'm assuming he was injured?
I Love Wang
11-09-05, 02:27 AM
Womack is a lousy 2Bman and has no experience at SS.
How is 516 career games at SS "no experience?" Seriously, is it that hard to do a cursory amount of research before posting?
Fabien Brandy
11-09-05, 07:04 AM
How is 516 career games at SS "no experience?" Seriously, is it that hard to do a cursory amount of research before posting?
Indeed, Womack was Arizona's everyday SS in 2001 when they beat the Yankees in the World Series.
yanksconstantino24
11-09-05, 07:31 AM
So Tino is gone then?
Probably, although technically the Yankees could still sign him to a smaller contract, or invite him to Spring Training.
27IsNext
11-09-05, 10:05 AM
What would it take to net Ryan Freel from the Reds? He can play backup IF and OF.
NewEraYanks2527
11-09-05, 01:53 PM
What would it take to net Ryan Freel from the Reds? He can play backup IF and OF.
Probably it would take more than he is worth to get him here.
C-BUS CLIPPER
11-09-05, 03:08 PM
Speaking of Womack......I would assume hes being shopped?
27IsNext
11-09-05, 03:11 PM
Probably it would take more than he is worth to get him here.
I highly doubt they're gonna demand Duncan and Hughes for him...
27IsNext
11-09-05, 03:28 PM
This was posted by yankeebot in the "Posada being shopped" thread:
"Larry Bowa on XM this morning: Posada not being shopped. Yanks looking for a backup catcher that can catch 50-60 games and can get some decent at bats. Take it for what its worth."
Nice to see they see the importance of acquiring a bench player who isn't going to totally embarrass himself at the plate. Who would fit this description?
Iknowcool
11-14-05, 08:38 PM
Jason LaRue could be that catcher. The Reds have javier valentin and hes their starter.
BillBuckner
11-14-05, 09:06 PM
Are Jason LaRue and Rob Mackowiack even free agents?
Stupid Flanders
11-14-05, 09:52 PM
I can't see any sense in paying a guy $2.0 million to be our pichrunner next year. We must have a dozen guys in the Minors who are faster than an aging Tony Wo.No we don't.
Tony Womack is the best pinch runner in MLB.
Iknowcool
11-14-05, 11:11 PM
No, LaRue is not a FA. what I was trying to say was that the Reds have Javier Valentin as the starter and might be looking to trade LaRue. Maybe a deal that includes Freel
Iknowcool
11-14-05, 11:12 PM
LaRue isn't. What I meant is because the Reds have Valentin as a starter, they might trade. In a package with Freel, maybe
No we don't.
Tony Womack is the best pinch runner in MLB.
I have no reason to believe that's true in and of itself, but the bigger issue is that you don't carry a guy on the bench who only has one skill. I'd be fine with a better defender who could also steal a base, for example.
Stupid Flanders
11-15-05, 12:04 AM
I have no reason to believe that's true in and of itself, but the bigger issue is that you don't carry a guy on the bench who only has one skill. I'd be fine with a better defender who could also steal a base, for example.Womack is a serviceable middle infielder who is a great pinch runner. He's a very good bench player as long as he isn't given a bat
Stupid Flanders
11-15-05, 12:05 AM
IF: What's D'Angelo Jimenez's status?
OF: Bubba, although if Matsui would end that stupid streak, Jacque Jones could be signed to play a number of OF positions, but not necessarily start every day.
Jones would never sign to be a backup player
longtimeyankeefan
11-15-05, 12:08 AM
Womack is a serviceable middle infielder who is a great pinch runner. He's a very good bench player as long as he isn't given a bat
Womack is not a serviceable middle infielder any longer, either.
Stupid Flanders
11-15-05, 12:13 AM
Womack is not a serviceable middle infielder any longer, either.
That's a bold statement. Can you back it up at all? My opinion is that Womack is at least a league average 2b and SS, who can run his ass off, and can't hit.
That's a bold statement. Can you back it up at all? My opinion is that Womack is at least a league average 2b and SS, who can run his ass off, and can't hit.
I don't think there is evidenct that Womack has ever been anything but below average at short by any metric. It would also appear he's been up and down at second, so I wouldn't be sure what to expect. In some situations, I'd say his flexibilty is a good thing, even if he isn't necessarily great at all of the positions he can play. However, there's really no reason to carry 2 extra middle infielders, and I'd rather have a better defensive shortstop and/or someone I can sit Cano for against a lefty.
Stupid Flanders
11-15-05, 12:55 AM
I don't think there is evidenct that Womack has ever been anything but below average at short by any metric. It would also appear he's been up and down at second, so I wouldn't be sure what to expect. In some situations, I'd say his flexibilty is a good thing, even if he isn't necessarily great at all of the positions he can play. However, there's really no reason to carry 2 extra middle infielders, and I'd rather have a better defensive shortstop and/or someone I can sit Cano for against a lefty.
So he's a bad guy to have on the bench as a pinch runner? Trust me, no one was harder on Torre or Womack than I was when he was starting. However I find him an ideal bench player.
So he's a bad guy to have on the bench as a pinch runner? Trust me, no one was harder on Torre or Womack than I was when he was starting. However I find him an ideal bench player.
He' a bad fit on the Yankees as a bench player. On a team with a right handed-second baseman, it would be different. But for the Yankees, carrying Womack basically forces the team to carry a second middle infielder who can hit lefties better than Cano. It's not like bench middle infielder, and the 5th outfielder too, shouldn't have some speed, it's just that the team would be better off with a fast guy who can ALSO spell Cano against lefties than a fast guy who can't spell Cano against lefties. I like to see a bench that has:
1. Backup Catcher
2. Backup Middle Infielder
3. Backup 3B/1B (likely a better hitter than the backup MI)
4. Backup CF
5. Backup LF/RF (likely a better hitter than the backup CF)
Within that, you want players that do at least two of the following:
1. Hit lefties
2. Hit righties
3. Play up the middle positions well
4. Play multiple positions
5. Run
And finally, you want to make sure that the skill sets compliment not only each other, but also your starters. So, not only do you want your backup MI to be able to hit lefties to compliment Cano, but you want to make sure that each of the areas above are covered by someone.
38Special
11-15-05, 09:36 AM
Matthew LeCroy
SINCE77 2
11-15-05, 12:25 PM
Matt Lecroy (backup catcher), Eduardo Perez (PH, DH, 1B/3B, OF),Cairo (2B/SS), Womack (PR, 2B, OF) , Crosby (OF, PR)
Matt Lecroy (backup catcher), Eduardo Perez (PH, DH, 1B/3B, OF),Cairo (2B/SS), Womack (PR, 2B, OF) , Crosby (OF, PR)
I would just cut Womack. He is completely useless. We don't have room for a useless player on this team. Every roster spot is valuable.
Matt Lecroy (backup catcher), Eduardo Perez (PH, DH, 1B/3B, OF),Cairo (2B/SS), Womack (PR, 2B, OF) , Crosby (OF, PR)
What is Lecroy's defense like?
Perhaps Eli Marrero could be a decent pickup.
SINCE77 2
11-15-05, 01:17 PM
I would just cut Womack. He is completely useless. We don't have room for a useless player on this team. Every roster spot is valuable.
I was thinking that while I was typing it, but I don't think the Yankees will.
SINCE77 2
11-15-05, 01:20 PM
What is Lecroy's defense like?
Perhaps Eli Marrero could be a decent pickup.
In the few games that I have seen him in he appeared to be a competent defender and a much better hitter than Flash. He's worth a flyer.
I was thinking that while I was typing it, but I don't think the Yankees will.
I guess they see him as an emergency backup batboy in case the batboy suffers an injury during a game.
In the few games that I have seen him in he appeared to be a competent defender and a much better hitter than Flash. He's worth a flyer.
If you've seen him in a few games at catcher, then you must be watching a lot of Twins games. He only appeared in 1 game last year and has always been more of a third option for the Twins there. I assumed there was a reason for that.
SINCE77 2
11-15-05, 03:03 PM
If you've seen him in a few games at catcher, then you must be watching a lot of Twins games. He only appeared in 1 game last year and has always been more of a third option for the Twins there. I assumed there was a reason for that.
Did you watch baseball in 2003 and 2004? I did. About 50 games caught in that time. My wifes family, who we visit often reside in Minn so I catch a lot of Twins games while I'm there..
SINCE77 2
11-15-05, 03:10 PM
If you've seen him in a few games at catcher, then you must be watching a lot of Twins games. He only appeared in 1 game last year and has always been more of a third option for the Twins there. I assumed there was a reason for that.
Having Mauer, Redmond, and Heintz didn't help Lecroys' cause either. But hey, the Twins also gave up on David Ortiz too and we know how that turned out.
Having Mauer, Redmond, and Heintz didn't help Lecroys' cause either. But hey, the Twins also gave up on David Ortiz too and we know how that turned out.
LeCroy hasn't been a regular backup since 2000, dating back to long before Mauer burst on the scene. He's a guy who can catch a few games a year, but he's more of a 1B/DH type who happens to be able to catch than a catcher.
BTW, the Twins non-tendered Ortiz because, like many small market teams, they couldn't afford what he was going to make in arbitration, not because they didn't think he was any good. The Red Sox were able to get him for substantially less money than the Twins would have had to pay him, and even they did so as a companion move to Jeremy Giambi, who started the year ahead of Ortiz on the depth chart.
Did you watch baseball in 2003 and 2004? I did. About 50 games caught in that time. My wifes family, who we visit often reside in Minn so I catch a lot of Twins games while I'm there..
Yes, I did. Backup catchers catch that many games in 1 year, let alone 2. And even in those 2 years, he only started 36 games, coming in for an inning or 2 in the others. He hasn't carried a regular backup catcher load since 2000.
I have no idea what would happen to his bat, which is I'm sure what interests you, if he had to catch that much more than he is used to.
I have no problem having a guy like LeCroy to do be a viable third catcher and do what he does at other positions, but I think it's a risk having him be the only backup catcher you have.
Finally, I would point out that LeCroy appears to be in line to start for the Twins this year (not at catcher, obviously), which would make it very difficult to pull him away for a backup spot.
longtimeyankeefan
11-15-05, 05:43 PM
That's a bold statement. Can you back it up at all? My opinion is that Womack is at least a league average 2b and SS, who can run his ass off, and can't hit.
Well, lets start with the simple fact that the Yankees signed him to a two year contract to play second base, then promoted and stuck with a rookie one month into the season. Had the Yankees thought that Womack was a viable option at 2B, I don't think Robby Cano would have even sniffed the brewing coffee.
As far as his speed - yes, he has speed, but I don't want a one-dimensional player on this bench. We don't need any Herb Washington's on this roster.
SINCE77 2
11-15-05, 06:43 PM
Yes, I did. Backup catchers catch that many games in 1 year, let alone 2. And even in those 2 years, he only started 36 games, coming in for an inning or 2 in the others. He hasn't carried a regular backup catcher load since 2000.
I have no idea what would happen to his bat, which is I'm sure what interests you, if he had to catch that much more than he is used to.
I have no problem having a guy like LeCroy to do be a viable third catcher and do what he does at other positions, but I think it's a risk having him be the only backup catcher you have.
Finally, I would point out that LeCroy appears to be in line to start for the Twins this year (not at catcher, obviously), which would make it very difficult to pull him away for a backup spot.
LeCroy was released by the Twins.
LeCroy was released by the Twins.
Sorry, I meant the Indians. They were talking about making him half a platoon at 1B, which is basically the gig he had in MN.
Well, lets start with the simple fact that the Yankees signed him to a two year contract to play second base, then promoted and stuck with a rookie one month into the season. Had the Yankees thought that Womack was a viable option at 2B, I don't think Robby Cano would have even sniffed the brewing coffee.
As far as his speed - yes, he has speed, but I don't want a one-dimensional player on this bench. We don't need any Herb Washington's on this roster.
But didn't Womack then go to the outfield pushing Bernie to the bench. If anybody's inept play is to be credited with opening the door for Cano it should be Bernie's.
nyg02005
11-18-05, 03:20 PM
I do not read any news with regards to the bench. Again, those players that are good will not be in the market for a long time. Hope the team's bench need is not being neglected.
swityak11
11-18-05, 03:38 PM
LaRue isn't. What I meant is because the Reds have Valentin as a starter, they might trade. In a package with Freel, maybeThe Reds may trade either Larue or Valentin because they're both similar players at the same position. But they have no reason at all to trade Freel. He's cheap, good and until something better comes along, he's their starting 2B.
William Bergolla is their highest rated middle infielder from the minors and he doesn't project as a starter so the chance of Freel being traded is slim to none.
The Pirates DFA'd Michael Restovich. I think we should invite him to ST because of how well he hits lefties and he relative young age. He is only 26 and can still develop into a solid 4th outfielder. Anyone else want to take a chance?
buntsalot2
11-21-05, 05:56 PM
[QUOTE=Rich]IF: What's D'Angelo Jimenez's status?
QUOTE]
He's a FA. That's worth an invite for sure. He was gung ho before being traded and breaking himself up in a car wreck.
ring403
12-07-05, 07:57 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/372505p-316825c.html
In other utility-related news, the Yankees have had conversations about bringing back Miguel Cairo, who played with the Bombers in 2004 before being replaced by Tony Womack. The Yanks are also considering Tony Graffanino in a backup role, though Graffanino is more likely to get a starting job with another team.
Speaking of Womack, Cashman said he's had "several teams" express interest in the much-maligned former infielder.
For some reason the Pirates are really down on Craig Wilson. He struggled with injuries last year but in 2004 he showed 30 HR power and a .364 OBP. His strikeout totals are awfully high, but he is still young enough to learn some patience. I think he could be a valuable player by rotating between 1st base, DH and the corner OF slots.
NYDCYankee
12-14-05, 03:33 AM
For some reason the Pirates are really down on Craig Wilson. He struggled with injuries last year but in 2004 he showed 30 HR power and a .364 OBP. His strikeout totals are awfully high, but he is still young enough to learn some patience. I think he could be a valuable player by rotating between 1st base, DH and the corner OF slots.
The Pirates are taking on salary, maybe they would take Wright for him.
The Pirates are taking on salary, maybe they would take Wright for him.
That might actually be crazy enough to work. They don't have an experienced righty on their squad and Jaret could really thrive in a place like Pittsburgh. The payroll difference is about $7 million if you include Jaret's buyout, but I think it could work.
We shed an excess pitcher and get a 1B/OF who could really help the team.
The Dynasty
12-14-05, 11:09 AM
A bench of...
Cairo super-utility
Davanon of
Crosby of
Stinnett c
??? [defensive 1st-baseman] ???
...and a lineup of...
1.Jeter ss
2.ARod 3b
3.Giambi 1b
4.Sheffield rf
5.Matsui lf
6.Nomar dh
7.Cano 2b
8.Posada c
9.Reed cf
...would make me :drool:
Skaggs09
12-14-05, 03:17 PM
I like Craig Wilson as a DH/!B/OF. The Pirates really like Brad Eldred and he is probabley going to be the starting 1B-man. Wright and cash for Wilson would probabley be good for both teams
I like Craig Wilson as a DH/!B/OF. The Pirates really like Brad Eldred and he is probabley going to be the starting 1B-man. Wright and cash for Wilson would probabley be good for both teams
We wouldn't have a place for him if we get Nomar. Should Nomar choose Houston or Cleveland, I think we could definately give Wilson 5 starts a week, either at 1st base, DH, OF or Catcher - where has has logged over 200 innings in his career.
yankeetke
12-14-05, 04:16 PM
I like Craig Wilson as a DH/!B/OF. The Pirates really like Brad Eldred and he is probabley going to be the starting 1B-man. Wright and cash for Wilson would probabley be good for both teams
I am pretty sure Sean Casey is going to be their starting first baseman. Maybe that makes Wilson even more expendable.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks19,0,2874733.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
The Yankees are expected to reach out to Miguel Cairo to back up all of the infield positions. Cairo, who was the Yankees' starting second baseman in 2004 and played for the Mets in 2005, has been hoping for a second run with the Yankees.
ring403
12-19-05, 12:10 AM
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1134971155320860.xml&coll=1
Andy Phillips is currently set to share first base and designated hitter with Jason Giambi. That was a spot Garciaparra would have filled. The Yankees have expressed interest in free agent Eduardo Perez, late of Tampa Bay, for a similar role. Cleveland, San Diego, Florida, Tampa Bay and the Cubs are also believed to have contacted Perez.
Perez gets on base at a decent rate, and traditionally hits lefties pretty well.
RIYankeeFan
12-19-05, 12:25 AM
I say we go after Jeff DaVanon for a 1 year contract. I'm not sure what he's worth, but I'm sure we can acquire him cheaply.
Perez, DaVanon, Cairo, Stinnett, Bernie or Crosby. Not a bad bench, but considering who we have on the field, it doesn't matter THAT much unless a serious injury happens.
27IsNext
12-19-05, 12:43 PM
Perez, Cairo, Phillips, DaVanon, and Stinnett would be fine by me.
I Love Wang
12-19-05, 01:16 PM
I like Craig Wilson as a DH/!B/OF. The Pirates really like Brad Eldred and he is probabley going to be the starting 1B-man. Wright and cash for Wilson would probabley be good for both teams
Pittsburgh is braindead. This is the perfect opportunity to play the 10-0 card.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-19-05, 01:20 PM
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1134971155320860.xml&coll=1
Perez gets on base at a decent rate, and traditionally hits lefties pretty well.
Perez has monster numbers vs. lefties.
3 year split:
vs left .397/.561/.958
vs right .303/.351./.654
Having him hit vs lefties only would work, but other than that he isn't worth much to this team. He is old and can't play the outfield...
RIYankeeFan
12-19-05, 01:21 PM
Small for Wilson? Seems fair. Hows his defense?
I Love Wang
12-19-05, 01:22 PM
Perez has monster numbers vs. lefties.
3 year split:
vs left .397/.561/.958
vs right .303/.351./.654
Having him hit vs lefties only would work, but other than that he isn't worth much to this team. He is old and can't play the outfield...
He played both outfield corners last year, as well as 1st and 3rd base. He's not an everyday option at any of those, but he can likely play LF or RF at least as well as Ruben did.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-19-05, 01:34 PM
He played both outfield corners last year, as well as 1st and 3rd base. He's not an everyday option at any of those, but he can likely play LF or RF at least as well as Ruben did.
He played the outfield in 4 games last year and 3 games the year before. The fact that he can play as well as Ruben did, which is not good at all isn't encouraging...
I Love Wang
12-19-05, 01:41 PM
He played the outfield in 4 games last year and 3 games the year before. The fact that he can play as well as Ruben did, which is not good at all isn't encouraging...
I'm not saying he should be a regular. The point is, he can play the OF if need be, and has done it. And I was intentionally understating his ability there. I definitely think he'll be better than Ruben in the OF.
JavyVazquezIsSick
12-19-05, 01:51 PM
I'm not saying he should be a regular. The point is, he can play the OF if need be, and has done it. And I was intentionally understating his ability there. I definitely think he'll be better than Ruben in the OF.
I can play the outfield, but I wouldn't be good at it. He is 37 and 240 pounds, his place is at first base. Ruben shouldn't be out there and Perez shouldn't either. Any reason to believing why Perez would be better considering Ruben was an outfielder his entire career and Perez has primarily been a 1st baseman?
I Love Wang
12-19-05, 03:08 PM
I can play the outfield, but I wouldn't be good at it. He is 37 and 240 pounds, his place is at first base. Ruben shouldn't be out there and Perez shouldn't either. Any reason to believing why Perez would be better considering Ruben was an outfielder his entire career and Perez has primarily been a 1st baseman?
His place is at first base. Fine. But, on occasion, if need be, he clearly can play the outfield, because he's done it. And it wasn't a total disaster out there. He can also play third base. I think he could play better than Ruben because i think he's a better athlete than Ruben is right now.
38Special
12-19-05, 03:39 PM
This is a tough decision. Perez looks like a sure-fire lefty masher for 1st base, but he wont be able to play anything but first or DH. Andy Phillips mashed lefties to the tune of .400+ in AAA last year with 50% for extra bases, and could play 1st base better than Perez, and also play 3rd or corner outfield if needed (and we would have him for 5 more years).
I think we should stick with Andy.
38Special
12-19-05, 03:44 PM
In addition, people need to stop holding Andy's age against him, the main problem has been the Yankees ridiculous cautiousness with promotions and his season-ending injury in 2003 which would have been his chance to make an impact in the majors at age 26. He hits for power, he murders lefties, and he doesnt strike out too much. Unfortunately for him Tino was around last year and kept him from getting the ABs to prove himself. Now the miserable excuse is used that he cant hit breaking balls, which is far from true.
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/P/andy-phillips.shtml
flymick24
12-19-05, 04:17 PM
This is a tough decision. Perez looks like a sure-fire lefty masher for 1st base, but he wont be able to play anything but first or DH. Andy Phillips mashed lefties to the tune of .400+ in AAA last year with 50% for extra bases, and could play 1st base better than Perez, and also play 3rd or corner outfield if needed (and we would have him for 5 more years).
I think we should stick with Andy.
not to mention andy is much younger, which fits cashman's supposed M.O.
Phillips' age is actually irrelevant for the short term. We aren't talking about looking at him like a prospect who we need to project out over the course of his career. What we are talking about is what you could expect for a year or 2.
flymick24
12-19-05, 04:26 PM
Phillips' age is actually irrelevant for the short term. We aren't talking about looking at him like a prospect who we need to project out over the course of his career. What we are talking about is what you could expect for a year or 2.
but admittedly, his being significantly younger than perez at least adds more mobility to the lineup and obviously less risk of innjury
and as 38 mentioned before, phillips plays corner OF positions, so he provides more of that flexibility that cashman is looking for
The FUTURE
12-19-05, 10:42 PM
My bench would be:
C/DH Matt LeCroy (cut kelly stinnett or let him play in Columbus:o )
1B/OF Andy Phillips
INF Felix Escalona
CF Bubba Crosby
OF/DH Rondell White (Him and Shef could flip-flop between RF and DH);)
Other possibilitys:
C/1B/OF Eli Marrero via FA (adds flexibility to bench)
OF/1B Craig Wilson via trade (maybe Wilson for Wright plus $)..I hope :P
INF Miguel Cairo via FA (can play every INF spot)
OF Jeff DaVanon via FA (solid OF)
OF Michael Restovich via FA (descent and still young)
CF Endy Chavez via trade (Proctor + Thompson for Chavez)..I hope :D
CF Marlon Byrd via trade (same as above..can play every OF spot)
longtimeyankeefan
12-19-05, 10:52 PM
How do you propose that we pry LeCroy away from the Twins?
SINCE77 2
12-19-05, 11:04 PM
How do you propose that we pry LeCroy away from the Twins?
He was released by them.
Evil Empire
12-19-05, 11:05 PM
My bench would be:
C/DH Matt LeCroy (cut kelly stinnett or let him play in Columbus:o )
1B/OF Andy Phillips
INF Felix Escalona
CF Bubba Crosby
OF/DH Rondell White (Him and Shef could flip-flop between RF and DH);)
Other possibilitys:
C/1B/OF Eli Marrero via FA (adds flexibility to bench)
OF/1B Craig Wilson via trade (maybe Wilson for Wright plus $)..I hope :P
INF Miguel Cairo via FA (can play every INF spot)
OF Jeff DaVanon via FA (solid OF)
OF Michael Restovich via FA (descent and still young)
CF Endy Chavez via trade (Proctor + Thompson for Chavez)..I hope :D
CF Marlon Byrd via trade (same as above..can play every OF spot)
Why do you want to experiment with Rondell White again?
longtimeyankeefan
12-19-05, 11:12 PM
He was released by them.
His contract was assigned to Rochester on 10/7/2005, but I can find no mention of him being a free agent. Do you have a cite that shows he declined the assignment and opted for free agency?
SINCE77 2
12-19-05, 11:15 PM
His contract was assigned to Rochester on 10/7/2005, but I can find no mention of him being a free agent. Do you have a cite that shows he declined the assignment and opted for free agency?
Nope. Just something I read a while back.
longtimeyankeefan
12-19-05, 11:17 PM
Nope. Just something I read a while back.
A google search brings up references to "the Red Sox are interested" stories, so you appear to be correct.
I am just surprised that he is not listed as a free agent on any of the normal free agent trackers (MLB, ESPN)
SINCE77 2
12-19-05, 11:20 PM
A google search brings up references to "the Red Sox are interested" stories, so you appear to be correct.
I am just surprised that he is not listed as a free agent on any of the normal free agent trackers (MLB, ESPN)
I was campaigning for him a while back, but the Yankees decided to go with Stinnett apparently.
The FUTURE
12-20-05, 10:37 AM
Why do you want to experiment with Rondell White again?
I think Rondell White would be solid coming off the bench to play OF or DH every now and then...he wouldn't be an everyday guy...but i would be happy if we got him or Davanon or Restovich...either one could get the job done
I still wish Yankees would sign LeCroy...I feel he would bring alot to our bench...hopefully we could send Stinnett to Columbus or something ??? :(
I think Rondell White would be solid coming off the bench to play OF or DH every now and then...he wouldn't be an everyday guy...but i would be happy if we got him or Davanon or Restovich...either one could get the job done
I still wish Yankees would sign LeCroy...I feel he would bring alot to our bench...hopefully we could send Stinnett to Columbus or something ??? :(
Rondell? been there, done that
He is a horrific outfielder and a major injury concern
not worth the multi-year deal he wants
LeCroy is a bad catcher and a mediocre hitter, no thanks
DaVanon is a good pick and Restovich might be worth a look
I Love Wang
12-20-05, 10:57 AM
I think Rondell White would be solid coming off the bench to play OF or DH every now and then...he wouldn't be an everyday guy...but i would be happy if we got him or Davanon or Restovich...either one could get the job done
I still wish Yankees would sign LeCroy...I feel he would bring alot to our bench...hopefully we could send Stinnett to Columbus or something ??? :(
Stinnett wouldn't go to Columbus. And LeCroy is not a guy you want as your only backup catcher, because he's a horrendous catcher.
Stinnett wouldn't go to Columbus.
Trenton?
I Love Wang
12-20-05, 11:27 AM
Trenton?
Too much garbage. He played in Tampa, maybe we could send him back to A ball.
The FUTURE
12-20-05, 12:07 PM
Rondell? been there, done that
He is a horrific outfielder and a major injury concern
not worth the multi-year deal he wants
LeCroy is a bad catcher and a mediocre hitter, no thanks
I would only sign Rondell cheaply and to a one year deal
and LeCroy is a solid hitter, and alot better than Stinnett
He is a bad catcher tho, but how often in the year would LeCroy be asked to start at catcher???
One of the reasons I really like the idea of Rondell is his solid numbers last year, 3.13/12/53 we could use a solid hitter coming off the bench, but I want to make it clear, I would NEVER sign him to a multi-year deal
None of this could matter because I just read he might be going to Houston or Minnesota:o
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051213&content_id=1281664&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou
38Special
12-20-05, 12:09 PM
The FUTURE are you related to the WIN METHOD?
Hey! Maybe we can get Nomar for our bench!
The FUTURE
12-20-05, 12:29 PM
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No sir, I cant say I am, Why you want to know :o
<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 2964864" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>gdn</TD><TD class=alt2>Hey! Maybe we can get Nomar for our bench!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Nomar signed with the Dodgers:( , and if he did sign with us, we would have started ;)
Nomar signed with the Dodgers:( , and if he did sign with us, we would have started ;)I was only kidding :p
:dunno:
The FUTURE
12-20-05, 12:41 PM
I was only kidding :p
:dunno:
oooooooooops :dunno:
ryanthe13th
12-20-05, 03:05 PM
not to mention andy is much younger, which fits cashman's supposed M.O.
Cashman has signed and traded for Villone and Myers. They aren't very young, so I think his M.O. is just filling spots with role players at this point.
Perez, after seeing him play a few times in Tampa, he appears to be the TB version of Ruben Sierra.
RhodeyYankee2638
12-20-05, 03:07 PM
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No sir, I cant say I am, Why you want to know :o
<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 2964864" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>gdn</TD><TD class=alt2>Hey! Maybe we can get Nomar for our bench!</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Nomar signed with the Dodgers:( , and if he did sign with us, we would have started ;)
Win Method was perhaps the finest poster in this boards history. If you care to, PM me and we can discuss it
NelsonMuntz
12-20-05, 11:12 PM
Our bench still stinks right now.
The FUTURE
12-21-05, 04:37 PM
Now that ive seen the Nontendered list...I see some new players that should be discussed:
OF Eric Byrnes...I think this would be the perfect guy to be our 4th outfielder,Young,Good Defense,Can play every OF position,A Hustler,A guy that will do anything for his team to win
CF Endy Chavez...I think this would also be a perfect fit to be our Backup CF Young,FAST,Can play every OF position,good defense as far as I know but the downside is now that we re-signed Bernie:enraged: , I dont think we would have enough room unless we could get one of them to play in AAA.
RHP Josh Fogg...Solid Career Numbers, I dont think it we should sign him, unless we wanted to trade Pavano and we could sign him for insurance in case wright didnt work out
1B Ken Harvey...Solid Career Numbers, He was hurt last year, Pretty Young,Good Hitter from the Right Side of the Plate, dont really know about his defense
RHP Wade Miller..Solid Career Numbers, has alot of potential if he can get over his injury problems...Same as Fogg
RHP Ramon Ortiz..Ok Career Numbers, a descent guy for a 5th starter...Same as Miller and Fogg
2B Junior Spivey...Good Career Numbers, hes really struggled the last 2 season though
ring403
12-23-05, 10:57 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/377136p-320401c.html
Sources said the Yankees are looking at two old friends, Miguel Cairo and Jose Vizcaino, for their utility infield spot.
I'd prefer Cairo over Vizcaino, but they're both serviceable backup infielders.
TheScooter
12-23-05, 02:50 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/377136p-320401c.html
Olney reported the Yankees are also looking at Pokey Reese
38Special
12-23-05, 03:08 PM
Olney reported the Yankees are also looking at Pokey Reese
That's great news. He's got not much of a stick, but hes as top of the line as it comes for defense. And we dont need a bat for that infielder sub guy.
The FUTURE
12-23-05, 03:11 PM
Cairo:clapping:
Evil Empire
12-23-05, 03:31 PM
Any chance of Cairo and Pokey? Cairo can play some OF also and Pokey'd be a good Pinch Runner I think.
Any chance of Cairo and Pokey?
Let's hope not.
38Special
12-23-05, 03:42 PM
Never mind, i just saw that Pokey missed 2005 with shoulder surgery
Evil Empire
12-23-05, 04:41 PM
Let's hope not.
Why is this.
Why is this.
I don't want both of those guys on the bench. I'd prefer a stronger bench. I'd much prefer Pokey to Cairo.
Evil Empire
12-23-05, 04:44 PM
I don't want both of those guys on the bench. I'd prefer a stronger bench. I'd much prefer Pokey to Cairo.
I'm wondering if Cairo could be a starter in Rightfield.
I'm wondering if Cairo could be a starter in Rightfield.
I don't think Cairo is very good. He's certainly not good enough to play everyday and he's no where near a strong enough player to be the starter in RF.
ring403
12-23-05, 09:47 PM
I'd prefer Cairo over Vizcaino, but they're both serviceable backup infielders.Vizcaino signed with the Giants today.
27IsNext
12-24-05, 11:08 AM
I don't think Cairo is very good. He's certainly not good enough to play everyday and he's no where near a strong enough player to be the starter in RF.
I think Cairo would be fine if he had a limited role.
I'm not sure if everyone remembers, but I think we went into 2004 with Enrique Wilson as our starting 2B and Cairo won it from him and hit .297 for the year.
The FUTURE
12-24-05, 01:55 PM
Cairo
Perez
Byrnes
^^^^^^^^
:clapping:
^^^^^^^^
:doh:
BillBuckner
12-25-05, 09:36 AM
Is it possible to sign Byrnes to play RF and DH Sheff? That sounds like a great idea to me.
The FUTURE
12-25-05, 10:54 AM
Is it possible to sign Byrnes to play RF and DH Sheff? That sounds like a great idea to me.
I would like to see this move too, We don't need a great hitter, just a guy whos going to play solid defense,and do something positive on the offensive side every now and then, that role would fit byrnes perfect.Then we sign Perez to be our backup 1B, and DH when Sheff does play in the OF. Also Perez would be a nice pitch-hitter as well.
ShaneTravis
12-25-05, 11:07 AM
I would like to see this move too, We don't need a great hitter, just a guy whos going to play solid defense,and do something positive on the offensive side every now and then, that role would fit byrnes perfect.Then we sign Perez to be our backup 1B, and DH when Sheff does play in the OF. Also Perez would be a nice pitch-hitter as well.
Well, there is an argument on why even have Byrnes take at bats away from Bernie/Phillips. You really don't want him to get 400 at bats on the Yanks next year. He would really hurt the offense.
But, I think it's moot anyway. The Pirates seem interested.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05357/626946.stm
Team officials have spoken the past two days with Mike Sasson, Byrnes' California-based agent, to make initial inquiries about the five-year veteran who became a free agent Tuesday when he was cut loose by the Baltimore Orioles.
"I really think Pittsburgh would be a great fit," Sasson said. "It's a blue-collar town, and Eric's a lunch-pail kind of guy. He'll break through walls for you."
We should sign Andy Phillips for our bench. I think he's a Free Agent.
longtimeyankeefan
12-25-05, 01:16 PM
We should sign Andy Phillips for our bench. I think he's a Free Agent.
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::dunno:
:looking:
:cheer:
:clap:
:eek:
:looking:
:dunno:
Evil Empire
12-25-05, 01:20 PM
:dunno:
:looking:
:cheer:
:clap:
:eek:
:looking:
:dunno:
You're screwed up.
longtimeyankeefan
12-25-05, 01:21 PM
We should sign Andy Phillips for our bench. I think he's a Free Agent.
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
:dunno:
:looking:
:cheer:
:clap:
:eek:
:looking:
:dunno:
Then I will respond verbally - Andy Phillips is 1) a member of the Yankees 40-man roster and 2) not even eligible for arbitration, much less free agency.
Hence, my confusion as to your post.
You're screwed up.You can see the mental progression. :o
Then I will respond verbally - Andy Phillips is 1) a member of the Yankees 40-man roster and 2) not even eligible for arbitration, much less free agency.
Hence, my confusion as to your post.Hmm. My post was tongue-in-cheek. We have Andy Phillips. Use him. Don't underestimate him.
longtimeyankeefan
12-25-05, 01:24 PM
Hmm. My post was tongue-in-cheek. We have Andy Phillips. Use him. Don't underestimate him.
Its difficult to read tongue-in-cheek when the writer gives no indications whatsoever that he is anything but serious.
At least learn to use the :D smilie in these circumstances.
Lol. You haven't read many of my posts. You'd know that I know that Andy is on the 40-man. I want him to succeed. If I used the :D smiley, then that'd kill the effect, no?
longtimeyankeefan
12-25-05, 01:29 PM
Lol. You haven't read many of my posts. You'd know that I know that Andy is on the 40-man. I want him to succeed. If I used the :D smiley, then that'd kill the effect, no?
No, it simply would have indicated to those of us who do not have the gdn watch that you weren't serious.
At last now I understand the Evil Empire's comment.
:D
There you go :)
Andy for our backup DH/1B/reserve infielder.
The guy is going to HIT if given regular playing time.
Btw, shame on you for not having the gdn watch :p
Evil Empire
12-25-05, 01:35 PM
No, it simply would have indicated to those of us who do not have the gdn watch that you weren't serious.
At last now I understand the Evil Empire's comment.
You mean you didn't before? I'm apalled.
We still don't have any depth and a lot of reasonable options are being snapped up.
As it stands right now, our depth chart will likely be:
Catcher: Stinnett-Nieves-Davis-Parrish
Infield: Cairo-Phillips-Escalona-Russ Johnson
Outfield: Bubba-Kevin Reese-Kevin Thompson-Chris Prieto
God forbid Jeter, A-Rod or Giambi sustains a serious injury -- once more we could see the most expensive team in baseball hamstrung by its lack of depth and flexibility. In 2005 we really lucked out with Wang, Cano, Small and Chacon -- we can't expect to have our season saved by low-profile players two years in a row.
JavyVazquezIsSick
01-10-06, 12:24 PM
Those are fine backups, yeah the payroll is through the roof but you can't have great players playing behind your great players just in case they go down. Players aren't going to play backup positions when they can just go start somewhere else, it's not really about the money. You can't have Eric Chavez backing up A-Rod, it's just not going to work. They can get more money somewhere else and they can be in a starting role. If a player gets hurt, you replace him with someone you have and then make a move. You can't pay a guy a multi-million dollar contract to wait for Derek Jeter to fall down and not get up. You can say the same thing about every team in baseball, what if Manny goes down, what if Pujols goes down, what if Tejeda goes down, ect... Yeah we have an insane payroll but because we have this sick payroll if one of our players goes down its not as big an impact as other teams, because we have such a deep lineup...
Those are fine backups, yeah the payroll is through the roof but you can't have great players playing behind your great players just in case they go down. Players aren't going to play backup positions when they can just go start somewhere else, it's not really about the money. You can't have Eric Chavez backing up A-Rod, it's just not going to work. They can get more money somewhere else and they can be in a starting role. If a player gets hurt, you replace him with someone you have and then make a move. You can't pay a guy a multi-million dollar contract to wait for Derek Jeter to fall down and not get up. You can say the same thing about every team in baseball, what if Manny goes down, what if Pujols goes down, what if Tejeda goes down, ect... Yeah we have an insane payroll but because we have this sick payroll if one of our players goes down its not as big an impact as other teams, because we have such a deep lineup...
I don't think you understand my concerns. There is a big difference between having Eric Chavez 2nd on the depth chart and having No One to back up shortstop. We have a 37 year old DH in rightfield and our 4th outfielder likely won't have an OPS over 600. It isn't so easy to go out and snag a major league-caliber player if one of our stars goes down with an injury.
Flexibility and Depth are good things.
A bench of Miguel Cairo, Andy Phillips, Bubba Crosby and Kelly Stinnett does not give us those things.
There is nothing unreasonable about wanting a bench.
Two weeks have passed and the Yankees have shown no desire to construct a bench or invite any outfield or infield depth to spring training.
Tsk tsk
I don't think you understand my concerns. There is a big difference between having Eric Chavez 2nd on the depth chart and having No One to back up shortstop. We have a 37 year old DH in rightfield and our 4th outfielder likely won't have an OPS over 600. It isn't so easy to go out and snag a major league-caliber player if one of our stars goes down with an injury.
Flexibility and Depth are good things.
A bench of Miguel Cairo, Andy Phillips, Bubba Crosby and Kelly Stinnett does not give us those things.
There is nothing unreasonable about wanting a bench.
I think they show some flexibility. Phillips has eperience at all infield positions, Cairo can play anywhere on the field except pitcher, catcher, and center field, Crosby is a pretty decent outfielder and very fast, making for a good replacement for Tony Womack in the pinch runner role.
I would like to see someone else get added though. Someone who can hit no less, we dont really have that guy that can come off the bench and get a hit for us like we had in Sierra, unless Bernie isnt DHing on a particular day. I think someone like Craig Wilson, who is pretty flexible would be perfect for that. But there are several guys out there that we could use.
Why has the Front Office been soo quiet lately? Havent heard ANYTHING in like 2 weeks.
I think they show some flexibility. Phillips has eperience at all infield positions, Cairo can play anywhere on the field except pitcher, catcher, and center field, Crosby is a pretty decent outfielder and very fast, making for a good replacement for Tony Womack in the pinch runner role.
I would like to see someone else get added though. Someone who can hit no less, we dont really have that guy that can come off the bench and get a hit for us like we had in Sierra, unless Bernie isnt DHing on a particular day. I think someone like Craig Wilson, who is pretty flexible would be perfect for that. But there are several guys out there that we could use.
Why has the Front Office been soo quiet lately? Havent heard ANYTHING in like 2 weeks.
We don't need guys who can play those position in an emergency. We need capable bench players who can start if needed and provide some passable offensive production.
Phillips doesn't have a great glove anywhere on the field and he hasn't proven anything with his bat.
Bernie will likely get most of the starts at DH but he should spend much time in the outfield.
Bubba is a good defensive outfielder but his offensive ceiling is slapping singles and the rare home run.
If we are truly going to use Phillips as our backup 1B, we at least need to have a 4th outfielder who has a little power and can get on base.
I would suggest looking at signing Richard Hidalgo or Terrence Long for this position. If not that, perhaps inviting Dustan Mohr, Timo Perez or Quinton McCracken to spring training could give us some better depth.
We don't need guys who can play those position in an emergency. We need capable bench players who can start if needed and provide some passable offensive production.
Phillips doesn't have a great glove anywhere on the field and he hasn't proven anything with his bat.
Bernie will likely get most of the starts at DH but he should spend much time in the outfield.
Bubba is a good defensive outfielder but his offensive ceiling is slapping singles and the rare home run.
If we are truly going to use Phillips as our backup 1B, we at least need to have a 4th outfielder who has a little power and can get on base.
I would suggest looking at signing Richard Hidalgo or Terrence Long for this position. If not that, perhaps inviting Dustan Mohr, Timo Perez or Quinton McCracken to spring training could give us some better depth.
I dont think Timo Perez will be giving us ANYTHING on the offensive side of the ball. But I agree with you. I wouldnt mind Hidalgo.
Anyone object to bringing B.J. Surhoff to Spring Training? He is very versatile (OF, 1B, and can catch in need of an emergency, came up as a catcher although he hasnt caught since '95) and can hit. He has been pretty bad the last year or two, but I say what do we have to lose bringing him in on a Minor League deal.
Also, i recall Pjillips getting a few big hits for us last year.
longtimeyankeefan
01-23-06, 07:24 PM
I would suggest looking at signing Richard Hidalgo or Terrence Long for this position. If not that, perhaps inviting Dustan Mohr, Timo Perez or Quinton McCracken to spring training could give us some better depth.
Hidalgo & Long have been argued enough. I can even see Mohr, but Perez or McCracken?????? Neither of them are likely to be much better OPS-wise than what you cite for Crosby, who I personally think will be closer to a 700 OPS than 600.
27IsNext
01-23-06, 07:26 PM
As of now, assuming Phillips starts at 1B with Giambi DHing (that seems to be Cashman's plan at the moment), the bench consists of Stinnett, Cairo, Crosby, and Bernie. I'm okay with Stinnett and Cairo, but bringing back Bernie was a mistake, and Crosby isn't even above replacement level. Cashman needs to put more into his bench.
38Special
01-23-06, 07:32 PM
I dont think Long, Hidalgo, Mohr or any of those scrubs hit any better than Bernie would in a pinch hitting/DH role
I dont think Long, Hidalgo, Mohr or any of those scrubs hit any better than Bernie would in a pinch hitting/DH role
Bernie isn't our 4th/5th outfielder. He is our DH/ pinch-hitter.
We need someone who is better than Bubba to effectively platoon right field with Sheff.
We need someone who is better than Bubba to effectively platoon right field with Sheff.
Jeff Davanon is still available. He will be a great acquisition.
ryanthe13th
01-24-06, 03:09 AM
Stinett, Cairo, Bernie, and Crosby make up our bench right now. That is a god awful bench and I hope that something can be done to rectify this.
Matsui55
01-24-06, 06:48 AM
Bernie isn't our 4th/5th outfielder. He is our DH/ pinch-hitter.
We need someone who is better than Bubba to effectively platoon right field with Sheff.
Actually, I think the way this is envisioned is that Bernie will get the majority of the DH AB's, Sheff will get most RF AB's and Matsui will get most LF AB's. However, the three will play a version of a rotation when Joe decides someone needs a rest.
By this I mean that if he wants Matsui to "rest," he DH's Matsui and Bernie plays LF that day. When Sheffield needs a rest, he DH's and Bernie goes to RF.
Now, the problem with the idea is that Bernie has VERY little RF/LF experience. I expect that if this really is the plan, we will see Bernie log a lot of time in RF/LF this spring- both in practice and games.
I am also not sold on the idea tha Crosby is a roster lock. Remember that he is out of options. If he has a bad spring, he may just be let go, or traded for roster fodder. I think that the battle is really Kevin Thompson's to lose- who also has significant CF and LF experience- and MUCH better SB speed. Granted, neither one is a threat to hit much in the bigs, but as the 5th OF, we are talking about a defensive replacement/PR type of player.
I am sold on Stinnett at C, with Ben Davis as an emergency option in AAA.
Cairo is fine as the backup INF. Barring injury, Cano, ARod and Jeter will log at least 145-150 games each. That doesn't leave a lot of AB's for Cairo anyway.
The only other bench battle I see is whether the Yanks are going to "give" Phillips the backup 1B/ righty DH/PH role. There are no other real options listed on the roster right now. I suspect that the Yanks will check out Phillips in ST, and make their decision then. If he can hit some, he gets the job. If they don't like what they see, they deal some bullpen arms for a backup 1B, or grab a vet dropped at roster cutdown.
Yankees1962
01-24-06, 07:34 AM
Bernie isn't our 4th/5th outfielder. He is our DH/ pinch-hitter.
We need someone who is better than Bubba to effectively platoon right field with Sheff.
I expect the Yankees to address that need in March. I think Cashman has his eye on somebody specifically and will trade some of his excess starting pitching for that person. He obviously, doesn't like what's available to him now which is why they haven't sign Davanon or anybody else.
27IsNext
01-24-06, 09:30 AM
Actually, I think the way this is envisioned is that Bernie will get the majority of the DH AB's, Sheff will get most RF AB's and Matsui will get most LF AB's. However, the three will play a version of a rotation when Joe decides someone needs a rest.
By this I mean that if he wants Matsui to "rest," he DH's Matsui and Bernie plays LF that day. When Sheffield needs a rest, he DH's and Bernie goes to RF.
Now, the problem with the idea is that Bernie has VERY little RF/LF experience. I expect that if this really is the plan, we will see Bernie log a lot of time in RF/LF this spring- both in practice and games.
I am also not sold on the idea tha Crosby is a roster lock. Remember that he is out of options. If he has a bad spring, he may just be let go, or traded for roster fodder. I think that the battle is really Kevin Thompson's to lose- who also has significant CF and LF experience- and MUCH better SB speed. Granted, neither one is a threat to hit much in the bigs, but as the 5th OF, we are talking about a defensive replacement/PR type of player.
I am sold on Stinnett at C, with Ben Davis as an emergency option in AAA.
Cairo is fine as the backup INF. Barring injury, Cano, ARod and Jeter will log at least 145-150 games each. That doesn't leave a lot of AB's for Cairo anyway.
The only other bench battle I see is whether the Yanks are going to "give" Phillips the backup 1B/ righty DH/PH role. There are no other real options listed on the roster right now. I suspect that the Yanks will check out Phillips in ST, and make their decision then. If he can hit some, he gets the job. If they don't like what they see, they deal some bullpen arms for a backup 1B, or grab a vet dropped at roster cutdown.
I disagree. I think Cashman is dead set at using Phillips at 1B, giving Giambi the majority of the DH at-bats. He has to wonder, as do I, just how long Giambi's legs will last him in the field with him having to inject that stuff in them every couple of weeks. Bernie will assume the Ruben Sierre role on this team.
Yankees1962, I hope you're right about the backup OFer role. We need a guy who is fast, has good basepath instincts, and can get a hit.
By this I mean that if he wants Matsui to "rest," he DH's Matsui and Bernie plays LF that day. When Sheffield needs a rest, he DH's and Bernie goes to RF.
Now, the problem with the idea is that Bernie has VERY little RF/LF experience. I expect that if this really is the plan, we will see Bernie log a lot of time in RF/LF this spring- both in practice and games.
I think it is asking a lot expect Bernie to be able to play LF/RF. He has very little experience learning the corners of Yankee Stadium and his arm would be a bad joke in right.
No one knows what Phillips can do and giving him 200 ABs might end up being a mistake. If he was an excellent defensive player, this would be a different story. He is adequate at 1B but he is not strong at all at 2B and 3B. I would feel a little more comfortable offering a cheap contract to Scott Hatteberg to backup Giambi and letting Phillips compete for the 25th spot on the roster.
I think it is asking a lot expect Bernie to be able to play LF/RF. He has very little experience learning the corners of Yankee Stadium and his arm would be a bad joke in right.
No one knows what Phillips can do and giving him 200 ABs might end up being a mistake. If he was an excellent defensive player, this would be a different story. He is adequate at 1B but he is not strong at all at 2B and 3B. I would feel a little more comfortable offering a cheap contract to Scott Hatteberg to backup Giambi and letting Phillips compete for the 25th spot on the roster.
While I agree that Bernie can't viably play any position in the OF, I disagree about Phillips at 1B (he seems pretty good from what I've seen and he does have the range of a guy who could play 2B in a pinch) and I wouldn't get anywhere near Hatteberg. Not a good fielder anymore, not a good hitter anymore. I'd rather just give a job to Reese and Phillips then go the washed up route.
ryanthe13th
01-24-06, 01:14 PM
There is no reason that Jeff DaVanon shouldn't be in pinstripes. This guy is what you look for in a bench player: high OBP, fielding capability, base stealing ability.
Despite what everyone thinks, Bernie is going to be seeing more than a few games in the field or in the DH spot. I don't care what Cashman says, Cashman isn't going to be in the dugout when Andy Phillips hits his first slump. Torre will yank him in a heart beat, throw Giambi at 1B and DH Bernie.
There is no reason that Jeff DaVanon shouldn't be in pinstripes.
Sure there's a reason. He's hurt, one might even assume to the point that surgery is required and he won't be playing in 2006 (at least well).
SINCE77 2
01-24-06, 02:29 PM
Say it after me people. T. Long...T. Long
27IsNext
01-24-06, 03:17 PM
There is no reason that Jeff DaVanon shouldn't be in pinstripes. This guy is what you look for in a bench player: high OBP, fielding capability, base stealing ability.
Despite what everyone thinks, Bernie is going to be seeing more than a few games in the field or in the DH spot. I don't care what Cashman says, Cashman isn't going to be in the dugout when Andy Phillips hits his first slump. Torre will yank him in a heart beat, throw Giambi at 1B and DH Bernie.
And Cashman will in turn DEMAND that Torre start Phillips until there is a reasonable sample of at-bats to see whether or not Phillips can make it as a major-league starter. If Phillips isn't the answer, Cashman will trade for a 1B/DH/OFer by the trade deadline.
We all said the same thing about Tino last year, and we were all wrong. Torre understands perfectly that Bernie is this year's Ruben Sierra.
Say it after me people. T. Long...T. Long
If you can prove that he is capable of being a defensive upgrade in rightfield, I'm sold.
38Special
01-24-06, 03:50 PM
DaVanon's shoulder is shot. Arizona had him ready and signed to player center instead of Byrnes but he failed his physical. At most hes going to get a minor league deal.
Also, great call on T. Long. Bad defense and bad hitter. Crosby has one of those covered.
If you can prove that he is capable of being a defensive upgrade in rightfield, I'm sold.
Might as well just put Reese out there.
SINCE77 2
01-24-06, 07:41 PM
Anyone know anything about Jamal Strong? Was popped by MLB for 'roid use while a member of the M's. Released by M's.
38Special
01-24-06, 09:23 PM
I didnt know he was released. Strong would be a very good pickup
NewEraYanks2527
01-24-06, 10:26 PM
Do we really want to pick up players that were recently busted for roids? There seems to be a stage of relapse and if Strong was recently busted then I would like to know how long ago the tests were and how long he has been off of them.
ryanthe13th
01-25-06, 01:04 AM
And Cashman will in turn DEMAND that Torre start Phillips until there is a reasonable sample of at-bats to see whether or not Phillips can make it as a major-league starter. If Phillips isn't the answer, Cashman will trade for a 1B/DH/OFer by the trade deadline.
We all said the same thing about Tino last year, and we were all wrong. Torre understands perfectly that Bernie is this year's Ruben Sierra.
Not neccesarily. The only reason Tino was moved out of the everyday spot was because he hurt his ribs. He had over 300 AB and played in over 100 games, even after his monster month.
MisterNovember
01-25-06, 01:41 AM
Not neccesarily. The only reason Tino was moved out of the everyday spot was because he hurt his ribs. He had over 300 AB and played in over 100 games, even after his monster month.
Tino wound up playing so much mostly because Giambi was wildly ineffective early in the season. Luckily Bamtino managed to go on an early home run binge that kept the Yanks afloat while Giambi got his act together. After Jason started tearing it up, Torre all but nailed Tino to the bench.
SINCE77 2
01-25-06, 11:32 AM
Do we really want to pick up players that were recently busted for roids? There seems to be a stage of relapse and if Strong was recently busted then I would like to know how long ago the tests were and how long he has been off of them.
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OAKLAND -- Outfielder Jamal Strong hopes to use the final month of the regular season and even some winter baseball to show Mariners management that he belongs in the Major Leagues all the time.
The 27-year-old has reached the stage of his career where it could be now or never with the organization that selected him in the sixth round of the 2000 First-Year Player Draft.
"I'm out of options and if I don't make the team coming out of Spring Training, I would have to go through waivers to be sent to the Minors," Strong said. "I wouldn't want that to happen. I have been in this organization my entire career and want to stay here."
Strong currently is having his second so-called cup of coffee in the Majors. This one already tastes better.
"When I came up in 2003, the team was in a pennant race and I was mainly used as a pinch-runner," he said. "I didn't play much."
Not much at all. Although Strong made 12 appearances that season, he had just two at-bats.
"We're not in a playoff run this time," he said, "so I'm getting more of a chance to play."
Going into Wednesday afternoon's series finale against the Athletics at McAfee Coliseum, Strong was 2-for-8 with two RBIs. He wasn't in the starting lineup, but should get more playing time in the next couple of weeks, especially with rookie left fielder Mike Morse being suspended 10 days for violating baseball's policy for peformance-enhancing drugs.
In something of an ironic twist, Strong also was docked time for testing positive for performance-enhancing drugs earlier this season.
"I still don't know exactly what happened, to tell you the truth," he said. "But I felt I had to prove myself all over again. It's in the past and I moved on."
Strong batted .293 (112-for-382) with 16 doubles, five triples, four home runs, 36 RBIs and 25 stolen bases in the Minors. His first Major League hit was a triple leading off the 10th inning against the Twins in Minneapolis on Aug. 20, scoring the go-ahead run in Seattle's 8-3 victory.
"I think he's a Major League player right now," manager Mike Hargrove said. "All he has to do is keep doing what he's doing. He keeps himself ready and when we've asked him to participate, he has done well."
Strong played center field for Triple-A Tacoma, but has played center and left field with the Mariners, making a superb catch down the left-field line to end the seventh inning in Tuesday night's 3-2 Seattle victory.
"I didn't care how close I was to the wall, I was going to make the catch for Joel [Pineiro], because he was pitching such a great game."
Strong nudged the wall, but held on to the ball for the out.
His goal the rest of the way is to "finish up strong and play winter ball in either Venezuela or Puerto Rico. I need more at-bats and have to make up for some lost time the last couple of years. I need to get better and be ready for Spring Training."
But first, he'll spend some time with his 18-month-old son and finalize plans to get married during the offseason.
I believe he was popped in April of 2005 while on the 40 man roster while playing for Tacoma.
27IsNext
01-25-06, 12:43 PM
Tino wound up playing so much mostly because Giambi was wildly ineffective early in the season. Luckily Bamtino managed to go on an early home run binge that kept the Yanks afloat while Giambi got his act together. After Jason started tearing it up, Torre all but nailed Tino to the bench.
Correct. Torre knows exactly what Bernie's role will be. If there's any fault at all, it lies with Cashman and signing him in the first place.
http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-sppiazza0127,0,2718373.story?coll=nyc-sports-headlines
It appears that Cashman is content with a roster of:
C: Posada
C: Stinnett
1B: Giambi
1B: Phillips
2B: Cano
3B: A-Rod
SS: Jeter
IF: Cairo
OF: Matsui
OF: Damon
OF: Sheffield
OF: Bubba
SP: Johnson
SP: Mussina
SP: Chacon
SP: Pavano
SP: Wang
P: Wright
P: Small
RP: Villone
RP: Sturtze
RP: Myers
RP: Farnsworth
RP: Rivera
Dotel/Someone Else
So who is our extra man on the bench?
It does bother me that we aren't scooping up veteran ML talent on ST invites to increase our depth.
161 and River Ave.
01-26-06, 11:54 PM
http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-sppiazza0127,0,2718373.story?coll=nyc-sports-headlines
It appears that Cashman is content with a roster of:
C: Posada
C: Stinnett
1B: Giambi
1B: Phillips
2B: Cano
3B: A-Rod
SS: Jeter
IF: Cairo
OF: Matsui
OF: Damon
OF: Sheffield
OF: Bubba
SP: Johnson
SP: Mussina
SP: Chacon
SP: Pavano
SP: Wang
P: Wright
P: Small
RP: Villone
RP: Sturtze
RP: Myers
RP: Farnsworth
RP: Rivera
Dotel/Someone Else
So who is our extra man on the bench?
It does bother me that we aren't scooping up veteran ML talent on ST invites to increase our depth.
You left out BW
27IsNext
01-27-06, 12:00 AM
This bench is lackluster. Bernie should not be there, and neither should Bubba. I like that Phillips will likely be a starter--let's see what he's got.
Some of the excess pitching will be traded in March, IMO.
http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-sppiazza0127,0,2718373.story?coll=nyc-sports-headlines
So who is our extra man on the bench?
It does bother me that we aren't scooping up veteran ML talent on ST invites to increase our depth.
As noted, Bernie takes Dotel's spot on your list. They aren't carrying 13 pitchers (12 is bad enough) and by the time Dotel is ready, someone will either be hurt or have to be removed from the roster some other way.
As for ST invitees, you really haven't seen a big rush on those yet. Again, though, the guys that have signed are looking for opportunities where they at least have a shot of making the ML team. When Harris or Mohr sign with Boston, it's not because they want to spend the year in AAA, it's because they might be the opening day CF. The 25 guys you listed above aren't likely to lose their job, for the most part don't have options if they aren't playing particularly well, etc. I'm sure they'll have someone like Curtis Pride stashed in AAA as they do every year, but anything beyond that is asking a lot for a player to happily accept.
As noted, Bernie takes Dotel's spot on your list. They aren't carrying 13 pitchers (12 is bad enough) and by the time Dotel is ready, someone will either be hurt or have to be removed from the roster some other way.
As for ST invitees, you really haven't seen a big rush on those yet. Again, though, the guys that have signed are looking for opportunities where they at least have a shot of making the ML team. When Harris or Mohr sign with Boston, it's not because they want to spend the year in AAA, it's because they might be the opening day CF. The 25 guys you listed above aren't likely to lose their job, for the most part don't have options if they aren't playing particularly well, etc. I'm sure they'll have someone like Curtis Pride stashed in AAA as they do every year, but anything beyond that is asking a lot for a player to happily accept.
I was hoping that the Yankees would realize that there are more talented alternatives to Bubba and Andy still unsigned for 2006. God forbid Sheffield, A-Rod or Giambi gets hurt, we must have a better contingency plan than regular ABs for Russ Johnson and Kevin Reese
It also goes without saying that I am opposed to the idea of carrying 12 pitchers. I would much rather have someone like Dennis Hocking on the bench than letting Wright or Small rot in the bullpen.
161 and River Ave.
01-27-06, 11:23 AM
I was hoping that the Yankees would realize that there are more talented alternatives to Bubba and Andy still unsigned for 2006. God forbid Sheffield, A-Rod or Giambi gets hurt, we must have a better contingency plan than regular ABs for Russ Johnson and Kevin Reese
It also goes without saying that I am opposed to the idea of carrying 12 pitchers. I would much rather have someone like Dennis Hocking on the bench than letting Wright or Small rot in the bullpen.
Well Wright is making $7 million per, so he's not going down to the minors if he's making that much. And we just signed Small to an extension and with the way he pitched last year he at least deserves to start the season on the roster.
SINCE77 2
01-27-06, 11:49 AM
I was hoping that the Yankees would realize that there are more talented alternatives to Bubba and Andy still unsigned for 2006. God forbid Sheffield, A-Rod or Giambi gets hurt, we must have a better contingency plan than regular ABs for Russ Johnson and Kevin Reese
It also goes without saying that I am opposed to the idea of carrying 12 pitchers. I would much rather have someone like Dennis Hocking on the bench than letting Wright or Small rot in the bullpen.
Its nice to want replacement level players on the bench, but when they are not guaranteed more than 100 at bats, no one is going to want to come here and warm the bench for the majority of the season. This is the price we pay for having such a daunting lineup.
As per the request of 38Special, a list of 6 FA outfielders who should be invited to spring training to compete for the 4th and 5th OF spot.
Terrence Long
Richard Hidalgo
Jeff DaVanon (if healthy)
BJ Surhoff
Quinton McCracken
Bobby Higginson
Yankees1962
02-03-06, 11:16 AM
As per the request of 38Special, a list of 6 FA outfielders who should be invited to spring training to compete for the 4th and 5th OF spot.
Terrence Long
Richard Hidalgo
Jeff DaVanon (if healthy)
BJ Surhoff
Quinton McCracken
Bobby Higginson
I thought Surhoff was invited by the Orioles again? Also, Devanon is probably looking for a guarantee contract which is why he hasn't signed with anyone yet. The rest of them don't interest me at all.
I thought Surhoff was invited by the Orioles again? Also, Devanon is probably looking for a guarantee contract which is why he hasn't signed with anyone yet. The rest of them don't interest me at all.
It is a fairly weak list but if the objective is to find someone to compete with Bubba, most of those guys probably have enough left in the tank to do that.
DaVanon was rumored to have shoulder troubles, depending on what the real story is, he may have to settle for a ST invite.
38Special
02-03-06, 11:26 AM
Wow a who's who of hasbeens
Terrance Long is a worse defender than anyone we have in AAA. Hidalgo turned into a horrifying hitter who couldnt even hit in Texas. DaVanon's shoulder is shot and failed a physical for the Dbacks. Surhoff retired. Bobby Higginson hasnt hit in like 4 years, and McCracken might have retired as rotoworld guessed earlier in the offseason. He hasnt been able to excel in even the scantest of reserve roles.
What's wrong with Reese, Thompson and Crosby fighting for the role in Spring Training? What's with the infactuation with major league experience? It doesnt make a crappy player any more valuable than a younger guy who hasnt gotten a chance yet
Wow a who's who of hasbeens
Terrance Long is a worse defender than anyone we have in AAA. Hidalgo turned into a horrifying hitter who couldnt even hit in Texas. DaVanon's shoulder is shot and failed a physical for the Dbacks. Surhoff retired. Bobby Higginson hasnt hit in like 4 years, and McCracken might have retired as rotoworld guessed earlier in the offseason. He hasnt been able to excel in even the scantest of reserve roles.
What's wrong with Reese, Thompson and Crosby fighting for the role in Spring Training? What's with the infactuation with major league experience? It doesnt make a crappy player any more valuable than a younger guy who hasnt gotten a chance yet
The source of our disagreement is that I want to offer a few low-risk invites to ML vets to see what they have to offer.
Long is a perfectly acceptable left fielder, his main weakness is his arm. Hidalgo is still a very good defensive RF and is young enough to re-learn some patience. DaVanon was rumored to have failed his physical, there hasn't been any conclusive proof of this. Surhoff didn't officially announce any retirement. Higginson is considering retirement but as recently as 2004 he could still get on base, drive in his share of runs and provide above-average defense in the corners.
There is no risk in seeing if any of these players would like to compete for a spot.
What do we have to lose?
It is important to give the youngsters a share chance but they should not be relied on as the only candidates. Aaron Small and Al Leiter were supposed to have nothing left to offer but their contributions probably made the difference that won us the division.
38Special
02-03-06, 11:39 AM
Because there's no point when there are better options. If we give them invites, theyll be taking ABs away from the 3 guys who deserve them the most, and when you consider who our manager is (and how most managers are unfortunately), he might show more respect or attention towards a Vet than one of the trio. Then Crosby will be DFA'd, the two others sent to AAA, and we get an OPS of 600 out of our aging slow bat'd Vet off the bench. Woohoo for ML depth
YankeePride1967
02-03-06, 01:21 PM
our bench is a joke.
38Special
02-03-06, 02:00 PM
can we do better than "our bench is a joke"? How do you presume we should fix it or have fixed it? I dont understand why people expect every day/average players to come to the Yankees to sit on the bench. None of our players have serious platoon problems and as a result will be in the lineup all the time.
The AL East Benches with 2006 zIPS projections (i dont have PECOTA on me)
IF Phillips: .260/.326/.471
C Stinnett: .240/.313/.380
IF Cairo: .262/.314/.352
OF Reese: .263/.330/.406 (i prefer Thompson in this spot but I have no projection for him)
AVG OPS: 723
Jays
IF Hinske: .254/.334/.419
IF McDonald: .244/.292/.314
C Phillips: .267/.331/.405
OF Johnson: .273/.331/.397
AVG OPS: 706
Devil Rays
IF Green: .253/.326/.378
IF Wigginton: .263/.336/.436
C Paul: .216/.267/.301
OF Hollins: .256/.313/.414
OF Gathright: .283/.342/.343
AVG OPS: 691
Orioles
C Gil: .225/.279/.306
OF Newhan: .270/.325/.414
IF Gomez: .257/.318/.325
OF Patterson: .250/.297/.410
IF Millar: .259/.348/.392
AVG OPS: 683
Sox (for the 2nd OPS, im taking out Stern, Graffanino, and Flaherty because i see Graff being traded and Stern finding a mystery ailment so Harris can stay on the roster)
C Bard: .260/.323/.393
C Flaherty: .199/.229/.308
OF/IF Harris: .290/.378/.353
IF Snow: .267/.346/.378
OF Mohr: .258/.340/.465 (a little inflated given his 500 OPS outside of Coors last year)
IF Graffanino: .287/.349/.394
IF Cora: .269/.334/.368
OF Stern: .260/.320/.392
Total AVG OPS: 709
OPS - Graff/Stern/Flats: 736
can we do better than "our bench is a joke"? How do you presume we should fix it or have fixed it? I dont understand why people expect every day/average players to come to the Yankees to sit on the bench. None of our players have serious platoon problems and as a result will be in the lineup all the time.
The AL East Benches with 2006 zIPS projections (i dont have PECOTA on me)
IF Phillips: .260/.326/.471
C Stinnett: .240/.313/.380
IF Cairo: .262/.314/.352
OF Reese: .263/.330/.406 (i prefer Thompson in this spot but I have no projection for him)
AVG OPS: 723
Jays
IF Hinske: .254/.334/.419
IF McDonald: .244/.292/.314
C Phillips: .267/.331/.405
OF Johnson: .273/.331/.397
AVG OPS: 706
Devil Rays
IF Green: .253/.326/.378
IF Wigginton: .263/.336/.436
C Paul: .216/.267/.301
OF Hollins: .256/.313/.414
OF Gathright: .283/.342/.343
AVG OPS: 691
Orioles
C Gil: .225/.279/.306
OF Newhan: .270/.325/.414
IF Gomez: .257/.318/.325
OF Patterson: .250/.297/.410
IF Millar: .259/.348/.392
AVG OPS: 683
Sox (for the 2nd OPS, im taking out Stern, Graffanino, and Flaherty because i see Graff being traded and Stern finding a mystery ailment so Harris can stay on the roster)
C Bard: .260/.323/.393
C Flaherty: .199/.229/.308
OF/IF Harris: .290/.378/.353
IF Snow: .267/.346/.378
OF Mohr: .258/.340/.465 (a little inflated given his 500 OPS outside of Coors last year)
IF Graffanino: .287/.349/.394
IF Cora: .269/.334/.368
OF Stern: .260/.320/.392
Total AVG OPS: 709
OPS - Graff/Stern/Flats: 736
These statistics don't prove anything. You can't project Kevin Reese to have such strong numbers when he hardly has a single AB in his career. ZiPs is not the end-all, be-all of baseball projections. One cannot assume that AAA numbers will translate into ML numbers so magically.
I'm not saying that I would rather have Millar over Phillips, I am simply saying that it is reckless to give a roster spot to a career minor leaguer without at least inviting anyone to compete with him.
What is the obsession with AAA talent?
I want the Yankees to have the best team they can possibly have. It is absurd for a team with a $190 million payroll to give away roster spots to people who haven't proven anything yet. The last three AL teams to win the World Series all got substantial contributions from players who didn't start. When April comes around, I want to be sure that every single player has earned their place through either a solid resume or very stiff competition in Spring Training.
Yankees1962
02-03-06, 04:41 PM
The last three AL teams to win the World Series all got substantial contributions from players who didn't start. When April comes around, I want to be sure that every single player has earned their place through either a solid resume or very stiff competition in Spring Training.
Over the last ten years, how many Yankee teams that have broken camp in April had the same roster come October 1st when the playoffs begin?
Yankees1962
02-03-06, 04:42 PM
our bench is a joke.
It can definitely get better and hopefully it will in time.
Over the last ten years, how many Yankee teams that have broken camp in April had the same roster come October 1st when the playoffs begin?
We can obviously make some moves during the season but I don't want to be held-up for a good prospect if Sheff or Giambi gets hurt.
Yankees1962
02-03-06, 04:52 PM
We can obviously make some moves during the season but I don't want to be held-up for a good prospect if Sheff or Giambi gets hurt.
Evidently, Cashman and his scouts don't think much of your candidates or better yet suspects for the Yankee bench so they appear to be ready to take their chances either by making a move in March or sometime during the season. Who knows, maybe Cabrera is this year's Cano.
YankeePride1967
02-04-06, 08:42 AM
It can definitely get better and hopefully it will in time.
I hope so. It won't be a problem IF, and I repeat, IF we don't have any injuries. The one back-up I do feel comfortable with is Cairo.
YankeePride1967
02-04-06, 08:45 AM
can we do better than "our bench is a joke"? How do you presume we should fix it or have fixed it? I dont understand why people expect every day/average players to come to the Yankees to sit on the bench. None of our players have serious platoon problems and as a result will be in the lineup all the time.
The AL East Benches with 2006 zIPS projections (i dont have PECOTA on me)
IF Phillips: .260/.326/.471
C Stinnett: .240/.313/.380
IF Cairo: .262/.314/.352
OF Reese: .263/.330/.406 (i prefer Thompson in this spot but I have no projection for him)
AVG OPS: 723
Jays
IF Hinske: .254/.334/.419
IF McDonald: .244/.292/.314
C Phillips: .267/.331/.405
OF Johnson: .273/.331/.397
AVG OPS: 706
Devil Rays
IF Green: .253/.326/.378
IF Wigginton: .263/.336/.436
C Paul: .216/.267/.301
OF Hollins: .256/.313/.414
OF Gathright: .283/.342/.343
AVG OPS: 691
Orioles
C Gil: .225/.279/.306
OF Newhan: .270/.325/.414
IF Gomez: .257/.318/.325
OF Patterson: .250/.297/.410
IF Millar: .259/.348/.392
AVG OPS: 683
Sox (for the 2nd OPS, im taking out Stern, Graffanino, and Flaherty because i see Graff being traded and Stern finding a mystery ailment so Harris can stay on the roster)
C Bard: .260/.323/.393
C Flaherty: .199/.229/.308
OF/IF Harris: .290/.378/.353
IF Snow: .267/.346/.378
OF Mohr: .258/.340/.465 (a little inflated given his 500 OPS outside of Coors last year)
IF Graffanino: .287/.349/.394
IF Cora: .269/.334/.368
OF Stern: .260/.320/.392
Total AVG OPS: 709
OPS - Graff/Stern/Flats: 736
Nope, because a joke is the most descriptive and accurate word for the current bench. Our first OF off the bench is someone who can no longer field and is not much of a hitter anymore. Cairo is the one bench player we have now that I have any confidence in. Yes, we have time until opening day, but I don't see any signs that anything is being done.
38Special
02-04-06, 09:30 AM
Bernie is not going to be coming off the bench unfortunately for you
YankeePride1967
02-04-06, 09:34 AM
Bernie is not going to be coming off the bench unfortunately for you
Even worse. Now our first guy off the bench (except for the middle-IF with Cairo which I'm happy with) will be a no-hit CF who is average at best fielding or a 29 year old rookie 1B that has yet to prove he can hit at the ML level.
longtimeyankeefan
02-04-06, 11:09 AM
Even worse. Now our first guy off the bench (except for the middle-IF with Cairo which I'm happy with) will be a no-hit CF who is average at best fielding or a 29 year old rookie 1B that has yet to prove he can hit at the ML level.
I am curious - who in this lineup are you concerned so much about that you are worried about the first man off the bench (a euphemism for pinch hitting)? Barring a major injury to someone, I see our starters all playing 140-150 games (except Jorge) and getting +/- 500 AB each.
Bernabe is probably our everyday DH. He might get 25 starts in the OF this season, barring a major injury to someone. If we have a major injury in the OF, I expect Melky to be called up to play everyday.
Cairo is on this team to give Jeter & Cano a day off now and then (ARod
seems to want to play everyday). If we have a major injury in the IF, Cairo is a capable replacement for the short-term, but we have little minor league depth here, particularly middle IF.
Phillips is on this team to give Giambi a day off, primarily against tough LHP.
Stinnett is on the team to catch maybe 40 games/late innings in blowouts.
Bubba is on the team as a pinchrunner and defensive replacement in the OF - if he gets more than 200 PA this season, I will be shocked.
27IsNext
02-04-06, 11:22 AM
Bernie is not going to be coming off the bench unfortunately for you
Bernie is this year's Ruben Sierra. Cashman will either get another starting 1B/DH/OFer, or start Phillips. Assuming he is a starter, the only two on the bench I'm a fan of are Cairo and Stinnett.
Longtimeyankeefan: Bubba has poor basepath instincts. We'd be better off with Kevin Thompson as a 5th OFer.
YankeePride1967
02-04-06, 11:28 AM
I am curious - who in this lineup are you concerned so much about that you are worried about the first man off the bench (a euphemism for pinch hitting)? Barring a major injury to someone, I see our starters all playing 140-150 games (except Jorge) and getting +/- 500 AB each.
Bernabe is probably our everyday DH. He might get 25 starts in the OF this season, barring a major injury to someone. If we have a major injury in the OF, I expect Melky to be called up to play everyday.
Cairo is on this team to give Jeter & Cano a day off now and then (ARod
seems to want to play everyday). If we have a major injury in the IF, Cairo is a capable replacement for the short-term, but we have little minor league depth here, particularly middle IF.
Phillips is on this team to give Giambi a day off, primarily against tough LHP.
Stinnett is on the team to catch maybe 40 games/late innings in blowouts.
Bubba is on the team as a pinchrunner and defensive replacement in the OF - if he gets more than 200 PA this season, I will be shocked.
If you read above you would have seen that I have no concern about our bench if there are no injuries. But with an aging team, staying healthy is at best a hope. My concern is IF a Sheffield or a Matsui goes down for more than a 15 day stay.
If you read above you would have seen that I have no concern about our bench if there are no injuries. But with an aging team, staying healthy is at best a hope. My concern is IF a Sheffield or a Matsui goes down for more than a 15 day stay.
Good response.
Our depth chart at 1B goes Giambi-Phillips-Cairo-Eric Duncan
This is not what I could consider good insurance. Jason had a great 4 months last year but injuries can still crop up.
I have some faith that Bubba, Reese and KT can provide passable decent outfield insurance but backing-up someone like Giambi with someone who has only 30 games under his belt.
longtimeyankeefan
02-04-06, 07:29 PM
If you read above you would have seen that I have no concern about our bench if there are no injuries. But with an aging team, staying healthy is at best a hope. My concern is IF a Sheffield or a Matsui goes down for more than a 15 day stay.
The problem is, simply, with this lineup, you are not going to get any sort of veteran presence of the type that you desire to sit on the bench for all but 100 ABs in a season.
Yes, depth in the event of an injury is a concern. If we have Matsui or Sheffield go down for a 15-day stint, I suspect that we will see Melky again to judge his progress from last year's cold cup of coffee. If its longer than that, then we are looking at the trade route.
Personally, I think that the multitudes on this forum are underrating our bench. We may not have a bench made up of ten time all-stars, but I do think we have capable backups on the bench.
I would also argue that our lack of depth is a minor league shortcoming, not a bench issue.
Good response.
Our depth chart at 1B goes Giambi-Phillips-Cairo-Eric Duncan
This is not what I could consider good insurance. Jason had a great 4 months last year but injuries can still crop up.
I have some faith that Bubba, Reese and KT can provide passable decent outfield insurance but backing-up someone like Giambi with someone who has only 30 games under his belt.
Personally, I want to see Phillips given a chance - I am of the type that believes that people should be given a chance and, often, they surprise you.
However, if we are talking about adding depth at 1B, one player I would give thought to is Scott Hatteberg, who is still listed on MLB.com as unsigned. Granted, he is also a LH bat, but he can play 1B, DH and give us a true emergency catcher as well. Little power, but reasonable average.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
02-04-06, 08:19 PM
The problem is, simply, with this lineup, you are not going to get any sort of veteran presence of the type that you desire to sit on the bench for all but 100 ABs in a season.
Yes, depth in the event of an injury is a concern. If we have Matsui or Sheffield go down for a 15-day stint, I suspect that we will see Melky again to judge his progress from last year's cold cup of coffee. If its longer than that, then we are looking at the trade route.
Personally, I think that the multitudes on this forum are underrating our bench. We may not have a bench made up of ten time all-stars, but I do think we have capable backups on the bench.
I would also argue that our lack of depth is a minor league shortcoming, not a bench issue.
Personally, I want to see Phillips given a chance - I am of the type that believes that people should be given a chance and, often, they surprise you.
However, if we are talking about adding depth at 1B, one player I would give thought to is Scott Hatteberg, who is still listed on MLB.com as unsigned. Granted, he is also a LH bat, but he can play 1B, DH and give us a true emergency catcher as well. Little power, but reasonable average.
I agree with Phillips. You know as bad as his major league numbers are they still project to 20 home runs and 40 doubles in 500 ABs haha. Kevin Thompson is another guy I'd like to see get some kind of shot, I've seen enough Bubba.
Iknowcool
02-05-06, 03:09 PM
The key to strengthening the bench.........sign Ricky Henderson!!!!!
That was a joke.
Bernie-Crosby-Cairo-Phillips is a good bench. Bernie and Cairo are two veteran bats who are proven performers as Yankees, Phillips has a lot of potential and Crosby improved over last year.
27IsNext
02-05-06, 03:57 PM
Looks like super-scout Gene Michael is a fan of Andy Phillips. Read my sig...
38Special
02-05-06, 04:12 PM
Funny, zIPS projects:
AVG OBP SPC AB H R 2B 3B HR RBI BB K
.260 .326 .471 412 107 70 20 2 21 69 38 75
If Phillips only gets 2 starts a week and works primarily as a defensive replacement, how will he get the necessary ABs to get into a groove and put up significant numbers?
38Special
02-05-06, 04:37 PM
If Phillips only gets 2 starts a week and works primarily as a defensive replacement, how will he get the necessary ABs to get into a groove and put up significant numbers?
Well if he only gets limited ABs he may not hit 20 home runs, but if he puts up good slugging numbers in those limited ABs he would be a very productive bench player
27IsNext
02-05-06, 06:08 PM
Well if he only gets limited ABs he may not hit 20 home runs, but if he puts up good slugging numbers in those limited ABs he would be a very productive bench player
Phillips is a starter. (As of now.)
38Special
02-05-06, 07:03 PM
Phillips is a starter. (As of now.)
Says who? Bernie was signed to be the DH
27IsNext
02-05-06, 07:25 PM
Says who? Bernie was signed to be the DH
Wrong. Bernie was signed to be the Ruben Sierra of 2006--so says Cashman. If Bernie was the regular starting DH, then why the interest in Nomar to play first? Unless and until a 1B/DH/OFer is acquired, Phillips is the starter. Gene Michael's recent comments from the Newsday article reflects this sentament.
38Special
02-05-06, 07:37 PM
Wrong. Bernie was signed to be the Ruben Sierra of 2006--so says Cashman.
Who's the backup first baseman then? And where are you getting this info from?
27IsNext
02-05-06, 07:51 PM
From this article (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051222&content_id=1286648&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy) on the re-signing of Bernie Williams:
But Williams, who has spent more than a dozen years as the Yankees' starting center fielder, will return for a 16th season in pinstripes in a different role. Williams will take over Ruben Sierra's position as a part-time designated hitter/backup outfielder/bench player, giving Joe Torre several options.
"There are no promises in terms of playing time or a role," Cashman said. "The clear definition was, going into this, like any role player, that it would not be an everyday situation. But he's a competitive player with athletic ability, and the game itself will dictate how much playing time becomes available."
Here's the first post in this thread (http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=91550) that reports the story that Cashman was prepared to start Phillips:
Cashman: No Need For Another Bat
From the Journal News:
Cashman also reiterated his utter lack of interest in obtaining another first baseman or DH, saying he is prepared to start the season with Andy Phillips and Jason Giambi in those spots.
"That's the last thing I want to get," he said. "What we need for this team is to be more flexible. We don't need another station-to-station guy that's power only (and) can't run."
(Emphasis mine on both articles.)
Finally, there's Gene Michael's quote that's in my sig. The writing's on the wall--Phillips is a starter.
longtimeyankeefan
02-05-06, 09:22 PM
Wrong. Bernie was signed to be the Ruben Sierra of 2006--so says Cashman. If Bernie was the regular starting DH, then why the interest in Nomar to play first? Unless and until a 1B/DH/OFer is acquired, Phillips is the starter. Gene Michael's recent comments from the Newsday article reflects this sentament.
While the comment has been made that Bernie was signed to fill the Ruben Sierra role as a part-time DH/bench player and infrequent OFer, I have seen nothing that states that Phillips is considered to be a full-time player on this team.
In fact, what I have read suggests that Andy will be playing no more than 40% of the games as a 1Bman & DH.
The goal is to rotate our older regulars through the DH slot on a regular basis to try to keep them fresh. Doing so means that Giambi is going to have to play 1B and Phillips will spend much time on the bench.
YankeePride1967
02-05-06, 09:38 PM
While the comment has been made that Bernie was signed to fill the Ruben Sierra role as a part-time DH/bench player and infrequent OFer, I have seen nothing that states that Phillips is considered to be a full-time player on this team.
In fact, what I have read suggests that Andy will be playing no more than 40% of the games as a 1Bman & DH.
The goal is to rotate our older regulars through the DH slot on a regular basis to try to keep them fresh. Doing so means that Giambi is going to have to play 1B and Phillips will spend much time on the bench.
Okay, neither Bernie nor Phillips is the DH. Does that mean it's Bubba?
38Special
02-05-06, 09:46 PM
I think hes saying that Bubba and Phillips would share the duties. With rotation of Giambi out of the 1B Spot
27IsNext
02-05-06, 09:47 PM
While the comment has been made that Bernie was signed to fill the Ruben Sierra role as a part-time DH/bench player and infrequent OFer, I have seen nothing that states that Phillips is considered to be a full-time player on this team.
In fact, what I have read suggests that Andy will be playing no more than 40% of the games as a 1Bman & DH.
The goal is to rotate our older regulars through the DH slot on a regular basis to try to keep them fresh. Doing so means that Giambi is going to have to play 1B and Phillips will spend much time on the bench.
Then we need an additional OFer that can both hit and field.
Okay, neither Bernie nor Phillips is the DH. Does that mean it's Bubba?
The way it is shaping up so far, I see Matsui/Giambi/Sheffiled cycling through the DH for a majority of the season. But to do this effectively, we would need to upgrade the 4th OF slot from Bubba to someone who would either emerge during the spring or come here in as a FA or in a trade during the spring.
Then we need an additional OFer that can both hit and field.
Exactly. That is one of the few remaining unaddressed issues of this offseason.
27IsNext
02-05-06, 10:42 PM
Exactly. That is one of the few remaining unaddressed issues of this offseason.
I just pray that Cashman doesn't honestly think that Bernie or Crosby are viable options in such a role.
38Special
02-05-06, 10:44 PM
I hope he does.
Kulish29
02-05-06, 11:00 PM
Then we need an additional OFer that can both hit and field.
Hopefully Kevin Thompson has a good ST.
Hopefully Kevin Thompson has a good ST.
I hope Phillips doesn't suck.
We already know his defense isn't anything special.
27IsNext
02-05-06, 11:54 PM
Hopefully Kevin Thompson has a good ST.
I wouldn't mind Thompson as a 5th OFer under normal circumstances. He plays good defense, and can steal a base. Problem is, Bernie is the 4th OFer, and he can't hit or play D. Consequently, we need another OFer who can both play defense and hit. If he can steal too, all the better.
SoCal Pinstriper
04-25-06, 09:38 AM
Bump.
Miguel Cairo, Andy Phillips, Kelly Stinnett and Bubba Crosby entered this week hitting a cumulative .159 (7-for-44) with 0 HRs and 2 RBI.
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060425/SPORTS0101/604250344/-1/COLUMNS
Bump.
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060425/SPORTS0101/604250344/-1/COLUMNS
Phillips is 2-16, 1RBI
Cairo is 3-13, 1RBI
Crosby is 0-5
SoCal Pinstriper
04-25-06, 10:22 AM
Phillips is 2-16, 1RBI
Cairo is 3-13, 1RBI
Crosby is 0-5 ...and Stinnett is 2-10 which adds up to 7-44
RollingWave
04-25-06, 10:46 PM
This bench seems ok so far and really fits the Yankees need anyway. they don't need bats off the bench.. they need people that can reliablly play solid defense and run.
Phillips was 1-4 and Cairo was a 2-3 tonight, so they are now combined
10-51, which isn't too shabby... and probably could improve when Phillips hit a bit more and Crosby actually plays a full game or two.
Stinnet's 2-10 (A couple of good bunts also) is a huge upgrade over Flatherty.
1972 Yankee
04-26-06, 04:54 AM
This is a no brainer- I don't understand why they don't start Cairo at 1st, and move him to second when Cano needs a break. Giambi can move to full time DH. When Cairo needs a rest, Bernie DHs an Giambi at 1st. I seriously think that Cairo is the missing link for the team and having him play regularly. Once Small and maybe Dotel are back, they will have a full strength rotation and relief staff as well- firing on all cylinders!
Phillips just isn't producing- they have given him ample time to prove himself..
Same argument with Stinnett catching Unit. Why take the offensive production of Posada out of the line up? Yes- give Posada a break on certain days, but not against good teams!
ryanthe13th
04-26-06, 06:06 AM
Stinnet's 2-10 (A couple of good bunts also) is a huge upgrade over Flatherty.
My ten year old cousin Bernard is a huge upgrade than Flahrety.
TEPLimey
04-26-06, 09:07 AM
Phillips just isn't producing
Agree
they have given him ample time to prove himself..
Disagree. He has 19 ABs this season. 19! How you can determine anything based off of 19 at bats is beyond me.
In my opinion, he looks more comfortable at the plate than he did at the beginning of the season. He's hitting over the Mendoza line in his last 4 starts. I say we give him at least 50 or so ABs before we decide to start Cairo (wtf?) over him at 1B.
In my opinion, he looks more comfortable at the plate than he did at the beginning of the season. I have the same opinion. He looked a lot better yesterday, laying off two breaking balls in the dirt. Then, I suspect, the pressure to produce got to him on the 3-2 count with the bases loaded and he chased a pitch up and away that would have been ball 4. Maybe no one has initiated him on the "take the walk, let the next guy drive you in" policy of the Yankees.
Don't look now, but Phillips has gotten a hit in the last three games in which he's had 3 or more ABs.
He also has a two game hitting streak going :D
1972 Yankee
04-27-06, 04:42 AM
Agree
Disagree. He has 19 ABs this season. 19! How you can determine anything based off of 19 at bats is beyond me.
In my opinion, he looks more comfortable at the plate than he did at the beginning of the season. He's hitting over the Mendoza line in his last 4 starts. I say we give him at least 50 or so ABs before we decide to start Cairo (wtf?) over him at 1B.
So what do they do with Cairo? Just use him as a utility? I think Torre has to go hard for the 27th this year and forget about some development. Cairo won't be around forever and right now he is producing more than Phillips. BTW- Phillips has had 20 ABs and Cairo 15. Cairo's slugging average is .500! Phillips AVG = .150.
This just isn't the year to play around and try to develop someone. Phillips has been excellent in the minors but this is the MAJORS!
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