View Full Version : Octavio Dotel [Should the Yankees Sign Him? - mod]
Did anyone notice that he's a free agent? I know that he had some arm or elbow trouble this year but maybe that'll make him come cheap. I'm not saying that this guy should be the lynch pin of the relief rotation but if he gets healthy and pans out he could be the sleeper deal of the off season. We get this guy but we still go after the BJ Ryans etc..
I would love to see the Yankees sign him to a Leiber type deal.
Ghost of Dan Pasqua
11-01-05, 10:21 AM
It's a bit more tricky than that, he had the dreaded "Tommy John" surgery in June and if you believe all those that have had it, the recovery is more like 12 - 15 months before pitchers are back at full strength. That means taking a gamble on Dotel and giving him a 2 year deal and seeing if he can contribute at all by mid season and then at full strength in 2007. He's also going to be 32 this season.
thumbs down on this one, unless you can pay him league minimum to sit out and then get an option on the third year
38Special
11-01-05, 10:26 AM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/06/09/SPGB2D5RLK1.DTL
Washington -- Octavio Dotel's "Tommy John'' surgery was so successful, the reliever said, that renowned arm specialist Dr. James Andrews told him that he probably will be able to pitch in the majors on Opening Day 2006, easily six to 12 months sooner than projected.
"Dr. Andrews said, 'Hey, you're going to be fine. If you were throwing 94- 95 mph before this, you're going to be really good now,' '' Dotel told The Chronicle a day after having a new ulnar collateral ligament put into his right elbow. "He said, 'If you do all your rehab, you'll be pretty much ready for spring training.' ''
Wang's Groundballs
11-01-05, 10:36 AM
I would love, love, love to sign Dotel and Ryan this offseason.
If we can afford him and Ryan our bullpen will be dominant.
nyyanksfan20
11-01-05, 10:38 AM
I agree Dotel and Ryan would be something else for our bullpen. That said I would be just as happy with Flash returning and signing Ryan. But it looks like Flash wants to close on a bad team rather than return for a diminished role.
Wang's Groundballs
11-01-05, 10:40 AM
I agree Dotel and Ryan would be something else for our bullpen. That said I would be just as happy with Flash returning and signing Ryan. But it looks like Flash wants to close on a bad team rather than return for a diminished role.
I'll be happy if Flash comes back or signs somewhere else.
We offer abritration and he comes back: we get a great reliever for 1 more year. We offer arbitration and he signs elsewhere: we likely get 2 draft picks for him. Win, win.
If we sign Ryan and Dotel we're still gonna need some one who can pitch with a 4+ run lead.
BRNXBMRS
11-01-05, 10:45 AM
If the Yanks can sign him for next to nothing, why not take a shot?
Dotel would be a low-risk high-reward signing IMO. That is unless he is demanding big money. I'd love to see him get signed.
Actually it seems that there is alteast some decent free agent middle relief. So it could be possible to take a risk on Dotel and still make some decent signings for middle relief.. take a look...
BALTIMORE -- B.J. Ryan, lhp
BOSTON -- Mike Timlin, rhp.
CLEVELAND -- Bobby Howry, rhp; Scott Sauerbeck, lhp;
OAKLAND -- Octavio Dotel, rhp; Ricardo Rincon, lhp;
SEATTLE -- m-Eddie Guardado, lhp; c-Shigetoshi Hasegawa, rhp;
TEXAS -- Doug Brocail, rhp;
ARIZONA -- Tim Worrell, rhp.
ATLANTA -- Kyle Farnsworth rhp;
CHICAGO -- p-Glendon Rusch, lhp;
FLORIDA -- Todd Jones, rhp; Jim Mecir, rhp;
PHILADELPHIA -- Ugueth Urbina, rhp; Billy Wagner, lhp.
ST. LOUIS -- Matt Morris, rhp; Al Reyes, rhp; Julian Tavarez, rhp;
SAN DIEGO -- Trevor Hoffman, rhp;
SAN FRANCISCO -- Scott Eyre, lhp;
ANSKYcm
11-01-05, 10:57 AM
I say sign Ryan, Farnsworth, and Dotel and keep Sturtze
9-Rivera
8-Ryan
7-Farnsworth
6-Dotel (Dotel and Farnsworth may switch once Dotel proves he's healthy)
Sturtze
Small
Ryan, Farnsworth and Dotel. Get it done Cashman.
Wang's Groundballs
11-01-05, 11:04 AM
I'm not big on Farnsworth. I see him getting a fair amount of money after this season, and I'm not convinced he'll continue pitching well.
I'm not big on Farnsworth. I see him getting a fair amount of money after this season, and I'm not convinced he'll continue pitching well.
How much do you see him making?
ANSKYcm
11-01-05, 11:09 AM
Please correct me if im off, but this is what I see each costing:
Ryan 7-8
Farnsworth 3-4
Dotel 1-2
Guardado 4-5
Wagner 8-9
Please correct me if im off, but this is what I see each costing:
Ryan 7-8
Farnsworth 3-4
Dotel 1-2
Guardado 4-5
Wagner 8-9
IDK about the others but I see Wagner getting more like 10-11 mil per.
Wang's Groundballs
11-01-05, 11:11 AM
How much do you see him making?
Maybe around $3 million or so. Could be less if teams are scared off by his October performance.
I'd rather just sign Tavarez, if he comes cheaper, and plug him in as our main guy when the game's not close.
My ideal bullpen would probably be:
Rivera
Ryan
Dotel
Tavarez
Bean
Wright
Or plug in Small if we can't sell high on him or Jason Anderson instead of Bean. I'm hoping J. Brent Cox can fly through AA and AAA and be a mid-season callup.
Wang's Groundballs
11-01-05, 11:12 AM
Also, I believe last night the Mets declind the option on Braden Looper. He should not be used against LH in any important situation, but he's murder on RH and could be an option if we can't sign Ryan and/or Dotel.
Maybe around $3 million or so. Could be less if teams are scared off by his October performance.
I'd rather just sign Tavarez, if he comes cheaper, and plug him in as our main guy when the game's not close.
My ideal bullpen would probably be:
Rivera
Ryan
Dotel
Tavarez
Bean
Wright
Or plug in Small if we can't sell high on him or Jason Anderson instead of Bean. I'm hoping J. Brent Cox can fly through AA and AAA and be a mid-season callup.
I like your plan.
Also, I believe last night the Mets declind the option on Braden Looper. He should not be used against LH in any important situation, but he's murder on RH and could be an option if we can't sign Ryan and/or Dotel.
Looper would be a good option if he comes cheap. He can be the Sturtze we thought we were getting last year.
Wang's Groundballs
11-01-05, 11:15 AM
Looper would be a good option if he comes cheap. He can be the Sturtze we thought we were getting last year.
Didn't he lose his closer's job at the end of the year? I'm hoping he's not expecting closer's money or a closer's spot...
That's what I would want too...
Didn't he lose his closer's job at the end of the year? I'm hoping he's not expecting closer's money or a closer's spot...
That's what I would want too...
I believe so. Anyways at this point he is underrated because of the blown saves with the mets(similar to Benitez). If he comes cheap then I'd definately take him.
Crusadecat
11-01-05, 11:19 AM
I agree that he would be worth doing a Lieber deal.
DontHateOnNumber2
11-01-05, 11:24 AM
I would love, love, love to sign Dotel and Ryan this offseason.
If we can afford him and Ryan our bullpen will be dominant.
Dotel would also have to hit his spots. I remember him pitching around the zone and giving up plenty of walks before he went down. Now that I think of it, he was giving up a bunch of hits and runs too. It's been awhile so maybe I'm imagining this all. :dunno:
Dotel would also have to hit his spots. I remember him pitching around the zone and giving up plenty of walks before he went down. Now that I think of it, he was giving up a bunch of hits and runs too. It's been awhile so maybe I'm imagining this all. :dunno:
That could've been due to his injury.
IDK about the others but I see Wagner getting more like 10-11 mil per.
agreed, i believe wagner is coming off 9 mill this past year
and hitting free agency for the first time in his career, i believe he'd be looking for more
Maybe around $3 million or so. Could be less if teams are scared off by his October performance.
I'd rather just sign Tavarez, if he comes cheaper, and plug him in as our main guy when the game's not close.
My ideal bullpen would probably be:
Rivera
Ryan
Dotel
Tavarez
Bean
Wright
Or plug in Small if we can't sell high on him or Jason Anderson instead of Bean. I'm hoping J. Brent Cox can fly through AA and AAA and be a mid-season callup.
Taveras, Eyre, Rincon. Get me at least 1 of those 3, along with BJ. But if you can't land BJ, get me all 3. Let Gordon go, take the picks. Tell Tom he will be the 7th inning guy if he stays. Then offer Arb. Watch him leave, we net 2 picks. :D
JavyVazquezIsSick
11-01-05, 12:05 PM
Maybe around $3 million or so. Could be less if teams are scared off by his October performance.
I'd rather just sign Tavarez, if he comes cheaper, and plug him in as our main guy when the game's not close.
My ideal bullpen would probably be:
Rivera
Ryan
Dotel
Tavarez
Bean
Wright
Or plug in Small if we can't sell high on him or Jason Anderson instead of Bean. I'm hoping J. Brent Cox can fly through AA and AAA and be a mid-season callup.
The Yankees are not going to pay Wright the kind of money he is making to be a relief pitcher. He is either going to be traded or be a SP...
Wang's Groundballs
11-01-05, 12:07 PM
Taveras, Eyre, Rincon. Get me at least 1 of those 3, along with BJ. But if you can't land BJ, get me all 3. Let Gordon go, take the picks. Tell Tom he will be the 7th inning guy if he stays. Then offer Arb. Watch him leave, we net 2 picks. :D
I like Rincon if Torre is told explicitly that he is not to be used against RH unless the game is out of hands.
ryanthe13th
11-01-05, 12:28 PM
Huge no to Farnsworth. This guy is completely out of his mind. Dotel sounds like a good decision. I'm willing to take the gamble that he will be healthy.
Huge no to Farnsworth. This guy is completely out of his mind. Dotel sounds like a good decision. I'm willing to take the gamble that he will be healthy.
Aside from the one game in the playoffs, Farnsworth was lights out for the Braves down the stretch last year. He has ELECTRIC stuff.....great fastball, his slider is simply stellar as well...
I think Dotel would be a good gamble. We have the money, lets do it.
ryanthe13th
11-01-05, 12:37 PM
Farnsworth is notorious for that. He has stretches where he is dominant, but then he gets absolutely bombed. The Cubs wanted him to be their closer, but due to his inconsistancy and attitude problems, they let him go. He'd be a dick to deal with, and I'm fairly certain he wishes to close. He couldn't stand being second to Percival in Detroit, thats a reason he left.
CptCrunch
11-01-05, 12:42 PM
Aside from the one game in the playoffs, Farnsworth was lights out for the Braves down the stretch last year. He has ELECTRIC stuff.....great fastball, his slider is simply stellar as well...
I think Dotel would be a good gamble. We have the money, lets do it.
Please don't use the word "electric" in describing a reliever's stuff. The flashbacks are frightening.
ryanthe13th
11-01-05, 12:46 PM
Please don't use the word "electric" in describing a reliever's stuff. The flashbacks are frightening.
I think about Byung Hyung Kim.
Farnsworth is notorious for that. He has stretches where he is dominant, but then he gets absolutely bombed. The Cubs wanted him to be their closer, but due to his inconsistancy and attitude problems, they let him go. He'd be a dick to deal with, and I'm fairly certain he wishes to close. He couldn't stand being second to Percival in Detroit, thats a reason he left.
He was traded to the braves for Roman Colon....
In addition to the recovery time required before you can pitch again, it also usually takes a season or so of pitching to get back up to speed. This is why Lieber spent that year in the minors/Tampa, for example. In other words, Dotel may be ready to go for the start of 2006, but I'd doubt he's actually any good until 2007.
Rocketman
11-01-05, 01:19 PM
I _love_ to get Dotel and sign him as a project. For very little money (relatively) we could have a truly terrific setup man for years to come.
silverdsl
11-01-05, 01:20 PM
I'd like to see the Yankees take a chance on Dotel if his asking price isn't too high. Expectations would have to be reasonable as well. As BJG mentioned, he might be able to pitch on opening day but he might not be as lights out right away as fans and the team might like. So they'd probably have to take it slow with him.
-Deborah
stupidpunchline
11-01-05, 01:22 PM
I'm all for throwing money at any middle reliever not offered arbitration
flymick24
11-01-05, 01:47 PM
am i the only one who doesn't want either farnsworth or dotel near the bronx?
jcan411
11-01-05, 01:57 PM
Ryan, Farnsworth and Dotel. Get it done Cashman.
And we can eat magic gumdrops on a road paved with rainbow. EVERYONE is looking for middle relief. Getting any two of the cream of the crop will be impossible. Fransworth and ryan are, arguabley, the best two. Get ryan and few cheap options. Try to keep Gordon and we will be fine....
And we can eat magic gumdrops on a road paved with rainbow. EVERYONE is looking for middle relief. Getting any two of the cream of the crop will be impossible. Fransworth and ryan are, arguabley, the best two. Get ryan and few cheap options. Try to keep Gordon and we will be fine....
I'm not on the Fransworth boat but because Dotel is coming off surgery it might be quite possible to keep Gordon or sign Ryan and STILL get Dotel.
I say he's worth the risk, why not? We've taken risk bigger than this in the past. Remember that cuban thirdbaseman that nobody ever got to see play?
I say why not.
YankClipper5
11-01-05, 02:07 PM
And we can eat magic gumdrops on a road paved with rainbow. EVERYONE is looking for middle relief. Getting any two of the cream of the crop will be impossible. Fransworth and ryan are, arguabley, the best two. Get ryan and few cheap options. Try to keep Gordon and we will be fine....
I agree! As I said in another thread, Ryan is a must because he is top tier and young. I say offer Gordon a fair salary and tell him to take or leave it, the pick wouldnt hurt in return as he is getting older and has shown nothing in the postseason. If we get Ryan and Gordon, great. If not pick up a solid 2nd tier guy who can eat innings and not collapse, a vet with some guts. Don't go out and lose picks and cash by signing all guys we dont need. All star teams have not gotten it done for the Yanks, spend wisely and allow the farm to develop and stock up, which will give the cash flexibility as well as prospects to tweak the team midseason, something we havent been able to do for a few seasons now.
rivera,s cutter
11-01-05, 02:50 PM
Ryan, Farnsworth and Dotel. Get it done Cashman.totally agree.what a bullpen that will be with MO small and sturtz!
indianyanksfan
11-01-05, 03:33 PM
mo
ryan
howry
chacon
eyre
wright
get millwood for the rotation. :D
or just have a pen of
mo
ryan
farnsworth
howry
wright
small
George Steinbrenner
11-01-05, 03:35 PM
sign him sign him sign him
Rivera
Gordon
Ryan
Dotel
MMMMMMMMMMMMM-HMMMMM. I LIKE IT.
George Steinbrenner
11-01-05, 03:36 PM
Kyle "choke artist" Farnsworth? Get the hell outta here.
Kyle "choke artist" Farnsworth? Get the hell outta here.
I would think that Farnsworth would probably want to be a closer, maybe setup at least. That being said I can't imagine him signing with the Yanks, he has also had problems with inconsistantcy. I've always liked Guardado and Rincon as lefties out of the pen. Any opinions?
AMYanks
11-01-05, 05:10 PM
Dotel would be a great signing, it's a Lieber-like situation.
With that said, just incase he's not 100%, and back all the way as a pitcher for a large portion of the season, it would be a good idea to add a Tavarez-type pitcher, to go along with Ryan.
no way do I want him. A guy who quit in his team and despite the advice of 4 doctors to rehab and come back, opted to shut it down?
yank4life2005
11-01-05, 06:08 PM
Will Dotel be ready by Opening Day?
Babe Rules
11-01-05, 06:34 PM
I would love to see the Yankees sign him to a Leiber type deal.
Would be a steal.
And we can eat magic gumdrops on a road paved with rainbow. EVERYONE is looking for middle relief. Getting any two of the cream of the crop will be impossible. Fransworth and ryan are, arguabley, the best two. Get ryan and few cheap options. Try to keep Gordon and we will be fine....
Too bad EVERYONE doesn't have the money or the promise of pitching in the playoffs that the Yankees do.
surge511
11-01-05, 06:47 PM
I want no part of Dotel
I want to sign Ryan, pick up the option on Sturtze, and sign Gordon/Farnsworth. With Small and Matt Smith and possibly Wright out there too, that would be a more than satisfactory bullpen.
I want no part of Dotel
I want to sign Ryan, pick up the option on Sturtze, and sign Gordon/Farnsworth. With Small and Matt Smith and possibly Wright out there too, that would be a more than satisfactory bullpen.
Farnsworth aint coming here to be a middle reliever. Dotel could turn out to be a steal if he pans out. i.e. the Yanks should offer dotel like 2 years and assume he sits these next season out. We're not saying GET DOTEL AND NOBODY ELSE. I'd like to see Dotel, Ryan and atleast 2 other decent relievers.
YankClipper5
11-01-05, 09:48 PM
Too bad EVERYONE doesn't have the money or the promise of pitching in the playoffs that the Yankees do.
Eh, while I somewhat agree, it is like competing against 10 other bankrolls because not that any one team is going to sign every marquee name, each competitor will likely through there money at someone, and many of the big name relievers are closers or want to be closers, something we cant offer right now.
JeffWeaverFan
11-01-05, 10:14 PM
I would love to see the Yankees sign him to a Leiber type deal.
Beat me to it.
JeffWeaverFan
11-01-05, 10:15 PM
Farnsworth aint coming here to be a middle reliever.
He may very well come here to be a setup man if the money is right. I don't see many clubs wanting him to be their closer.
He may very well come here to be a setup man if the money is right. I don't see many clubs wanting him to be their closer.
How can both he and Ryan be the setup men? I doubt both of them, and I'd rather have Ryan.
JeffWeaverFan
11-01-05, 10:42 PM
How can both he and Ryan be the setup men? I doubt both of them, and I'd rather have Ryan.
Well, I considered both Jeff Nelson and Mike Stanton our setup men back in the day. I would make that same comparison this year when selling it to Farnsworth.
They need at least three relievers that Torre can trust before he uses Ryan.
His history has been he's a dominant reliever as long as he doesn't have to get the last three outs in the 9th. Monitor the interest from others...see if it's worth the risk
just-blaze
11-01-05, 11:40 PM
His history has been he's a dominant reliever as long as he doesn't have to get the last three outs in the 9th. Monitor the interest from others...see if it's worth the risk
Which one, Dotel or Farnsworth? Thats applicable to both of them. I agree with some on this forum... Ryan, Farnsworth, and Dotel. A bullpen that has four weapons before the closer comes in is a playoff bound team.
In my opinion, the biggest reason the White Sox rotation was as good as they are and the reason that they did what they did is that they had four weapons with no set roles before they went to their closer.
yeahimweird
11-01-05, 11:41 PM
Dotel?
No way.
Dooley Womack
11-02-05, 01:46 AM
I'm so iffy on this one. Two years ago I would have said definitely, but he's blown some pretty big games in crucial spots. Now, the surgery. Tough call.
WhatRivalry22
11-02-05, 02:51 AM
I've never trusted Dotel. He seems to blow it when he comes up in a pressure situation. Although, that may only have been as a closer. However, I wouldn't want him in a 1-run game, eighth innings of the WS.
Pass on Dotel. I'd go with Farnsworth. Brings the heat, devastating slider. Use him and Ryan as set-up men to Rivera. All we'd need is 6 good innings from our starters and 7-8-9 is lights out.
Yankees1962
11-02-05, 06:13 AM
I've never trusted Dotel. He seems to blow it when he comes up in a pressure situation. Although, that may only have been as a closer. However, I wouldn't want him in a 1-run game, eighth innings of the WS.
Pass on Dotel. I'd go with Farnsworth. Brings the heat, devastating slider. Use him and Ryan as set-up men to Rivera. All we'd need is 6 good innings from our starters and 7-8-9 is lights out.
Evidently, if you're more confortable with him than Dotel, you didn't watch Farnsworth in this year's playoffs.
Yankees1962
11-02-05, 06:16 AM
He may very well come here to be a setup man if the money is right. I don't see many clubs wanting him to be their closer.
I've read that Detroit is looking for a closer and since he was in that role for them last season, I could see Detroit signing him as their closer.
yank4life2005
11-02-05, 07:02 AM
I think I would rather have BJ Ryan, Howry and Eyre added to the pen this offseason. Farnsworth has great stuff but from what we saw in the Atlanta/Houston series that anyone can hit a fastball. Kyle has great stuff but is a headcase.
Let the Red Sox sign him.
I've always liked Guardado and Rincon as lefties out of the pen. Any opinions?
Yes on Guardado (if healthy), no on Rincon. it seems Rincon has struggled against the Yanks, which is the only time i've seen him.
Really, I hope they talk Leiter into becoming a LOOGY and then get Ryan - or if Ryan won't set up, a quality lefty like Guardado who can also pitch to righties.
I'm so iffy on this one. Two years ago I would have said definitely, but he's blown some pretty big games in crucial spots. Now, the surgery. Tough call.
If healthy he's still a better option than Sturtze.
Dooley Womack
11-02-05, 09:43 AM
If healthy he's still a better option than Sturtze.
Agreed.
jcan411
11-02-05, 10:38 AM
If there is anything to be leared from last year, its that high priced middle relievers are not the anwser. There are violent swings in middle relief effectiveness from year to year for whatever reason. ryan is 30 remember and farnsworth will be 30 in april. These guys will be good but why spend money here especially whne we have a glut of SP that can go to middle relief. re-sign gordon who was great. Call up a few youngin's along with the odd-man out in the SP battle, and maybe sign one of farnsworth or ryan. That will be fine. There's nothing worse than signing farns to 4 mil and ryan to 6 mil only to be OK next year. Thats 10 mil that could be spent elsewhere. Both were closers last year too. I also want no part of dotel. HUGE RISK
If there is anything to be leared from last year, its that high priced middle relievers are not the anwser. There are violent swings in middle relief effectiveness from year to year for whatever reason. ryan is 30 remember and farnsworth will be 30 in april. These guys will be good but why spend money here especially whne we have a glut of SP that can go to middle relief. re-sign gordon who was great. Call up a few youngin's along with the odd-man out in the SP battle, and maybe sign one of farnsworth or ryan. That will be fine. There's nothing worse than signing farns to 4 mil and ryan to 6 mil only to be OK next year. Thats 10 mil that could be spent elsewhere. Both were closers last year too. I also want no part of dotel. HUGE RISK
How is Dotel a huge risk if we sign him to a lieber like contract? I'm with you about bringing up some young arms and trying them out but the truth is that the Yankee org and Yankee fans wouldn't have to patience to watch these guys develop, they would be on a very short leash. I don't think the Yanks are gonna spend $200 million on a team and then skimp on the bullpen. I think they gotta sign Ryan that's a no brainer, but I also think they should take the risk with Dotel and keep him in the minors till he's ready even if that's not this year. They should also sign atleast 2 more decent relievers it doesn't have to be farnsworth or any other closer money type guy, just somebody decent.
JeffWeaverFan
11-02-05, 11:11 AM
Kyle has great stuff but is a headcase.
How is he a headcase?
How is Dotel a huge risk if we sign him to a lieber like contract? I'm with you about bringing up some young arms and trying them out but the truth is that the Yankee org and Yankee fans wouldn't have to patience to watch these guys develop, they would be on a very short leash. I don't think the Yanks are gonna spend $200 million on a team and then skimp on the bullpen. I think they gotta sign Ryan that's a no brainer, but I also think they should take the risk with Dotel and keep him in the minors till he's ready even if that's not this year. They should also sign atleast 2 more decent relievers it doesn't have to be farnsworth or any other closer money type guy, just somebody decent.
Lieber was on a completely different schedule, wherein he was able to start pitching midway through the season, not at the beginning of the season. There are limits as to how many days a player on the DL can spend on the minor league roster, and Lieber's schedule tended to mesh with this. He was also a starter, so he was able to throw more innings in his quest to get his feel back.
It's a nice thought, but Dotel is going to have to do some rehabbing on the major league roster if you want him, and it might not be pretty.
yank4life2005
11-02-05, 11:17 AM
How is he a headcase?
Kyle fizzled in Chicago and likes to party alot.
He is not a closer and would melt in NY
Lieber was on a completely different schedule, wherein he was able to start pitching midway through the season, not at the beginning of the season. There are limits as to how many days a player on the DL can spend on the minor league roster, and Lieber's schedule tended to mesh with this. He was also a starter, so he was able to throw more innings in his quest to get his feel back.
It's a nice thought, but Dotel is going to have to do some rehabbing on the major league roster if you want him, and it might not be pretty.
Sure, bring him in to mop up or get in a game when the Yanks have a huge lead. I'm not advocating for him to come to the Yanks as a setup man or even as a 7th inning guy. What I'm saying is if we could sign him and hold on to him while he gets healthy it could turn out to be a great deal and get a lot of value back.
Sure, bring him in to mop up or get in a game when the Yanks have a huge lead. I'm not advocating for him to come to the Yanks as a setup man or even as a 7th inning guy. What I'm saying is if we could sign him and hold on to him while he gets healthy it could turn out to be a great deal and get a lot of value back.
Again though, a guy trying to rehab needs regular work, not intermittent work in mop up situations that you can't schedule. It's just not as easy as you think it is.
yank4life2005
11-02-05, 11:52 AM
Dotel would be great insurance for us come July when our BP arms start to wear down. Imagine him in the 7th inning.
YankClipper5
11-02-05, 02:53 PM
Apparently Trevor Hoffman had a falling out with the Padres and will be signing elsewhere, shocking development. I don't think he is someone we should be in hot pursuit of but does anyone else think the yanls should throw money into that situation and he would be an acceptable backup plan should Ryan fall through. I know he probably won't leave to be a setup man but we can drive his price up and make a team in need of a closer pay top dollar. I wouldn't say they should pursue him at all costs but he is a good fallback plan in my opinion and it looks like Baltimore and Boston will be among many teams in need of a closer.
Apparently Trevor Hoffman had a falling out with the Padres and will be signing elsewhere, shocking development. I don't think he is someone we should be in hot pursuit of but does anyone else think the yanls should throw money into that situation and he would be an acceptable backup plan should Ryan fall through. I know he probably won't leave to be a setup man but we can drive his price up and make a team in need of a closer pay top dollar. I wouldn't say they should pursue him at all costs but he is a good fallback plan in my opinion and it looks like Baltimore and Boston will be among many teams in need of a closer.
No way. Too old, too much money, and he probably wouldn't want to setup anyhow.
Yankees1962
11-02-05, 03:04 PM
Apparently Trevor Hoffman had a falling out with the Padres and will be signing elsewhere, shocking development. I don't think he is someone we should be in hot pursuit of but does anyone else think the yanls should throw money into that situation and he would be an acceptable backup plan should Ryan fall through. I know he probably won't leave to be a setup man but we can drive his price up and make a team in need of a closer pay top dollar. I wouldn't say they should pursue him at all costs but he is a good fallback plan in my opinion and it looks like Baltimore and Boston will be among many teams in need of a closer.
Hoffman has his eye on the save record so the answer is no.
JeffWeaverFan
11-02-05, 03:33 PM
Kyle fizzled in Chicago and likes to party alot.
He is not a closer and would melt in NY
He didn't have a great last year with Chicago but I don't mind that. Him partying a lot doesn't make him a headcase. We've had our fair share of guys that like to party a lot that do great here.
He wouldn't be a closer and I see no evidence he would melt in NY. He would be our 7th inning guy and would be very good at that.
Clemens831
11-02-05, 03:52 PM
Does it make any sort of difference that Dotel voluntarily had TJ surgery? I remember that he didn't actually NEED it, and that the A's were pretty peeved when he opted to have it. Could the fact that he might have been in significantly better shape than most people who have the surgery impact his recovery time?
yank4life2005
11-02-05, 04:03 PM
He didn't have a great last year with Chicago but I don't mind that. Him partying a lot doesn't make him a headcase. We've had our fair share of guys that like to party a lot that do great here.
He wouldn't be a closer and I see no evidence he would melt in NY. He would be our 7th inning guy and would be very good at that.
Farnsworth could not handle the NY spotlight. He would get booed out of the city. Matt Clement had great stuff and I wanted the Yankees to sign him last offseason and then I began to hear that he was a headcase and wouldn't survive in NY then I understood. I am glad he signed with Boston though cause he bombed with them.
JeffWeaverFan
11-02-05, 04:12 PM
Farnsworth could not handle the NY spotlight. He would get booed out of the city. Matt Clement had great stuff and I wanted the Yankees to sign him last offseason and then I began to hear that he was a headcase and wouldn't survive in NY then I understood. I am glad he signed with Boston though cause he bombed with them.
I just don't see any evidence that Farnsworth would not be able to handle NY or would get booed out of the city. In fact, I think he would instantly become a fan favorite if there ever was a brawl between us and another team (especially the red sox).
yank4life2005
11-02-05, 04:28 PM
I just don't see any evidence that Farnsworth would not be able to handle NY or would get booed out of the city. In fact, I think he would instantly become a fan favorite if there ever was a brawl between us and another team (especially the red sox).
I think a guy like Bob Howry would be a better fit for us both economically and emotionally. Farnsworth can throw without a doubt hitting 3 digits and now has a slider but is way too inconsistent.
Enter_Sandman_42
11-02-05, 05:31 PM
get Gordon to stay to be the 7th inning guy (hey he's getting up there in age, he might want a chance at another ring instead of closing) sign Dotel (will probably be a cheap risk with a potentially high reward) sign Ryan (obvious reason), and than get a lefty reliever like Sauerbeck/Rincon/Myers and than you have this.
Small
Dotel
Sauerbeck/Rincon/Myers
Gordon
Ryan
Rivera
:eek: :eek: :eek:
the only problem with this is Gordon might not want to take on the 7th inning role.
I knew I called this one first! :D
According to will carrol of Bp, Dotek didn't ahve a complete rupture of the ucl- it was torn pnly 60%. HTey laid the new ligament over the old, rather than a complete replacement.
It sounds like the recovery should be a lot faster than a normal Tj and he shoudl be back by June at the latest
Kewwwl
Yankees1962
12-23-05, 02:01 PM
According to will carrol of Bp, Dotek didn't ahve a complete rupture of the ucl- it was torn pnly 60%. HTey laid the new ligament over the old, rather than a complete replacement.
It sounds like the recovery should be a lot faster than a normal Tj and he shoudl be back by June at the latest
Kewwwl
Yes, I heard Carroll on XM Radio's Home Plate say that and he gave me the impression that he wouldn't be surprised to see Dotel in April.
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