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Hidekifan57
05-24-06, 07:14 PM
Very good chance that Latos is there at 41. And Betances may last a while believe it or not.
I just think we need to remember that there is no Phil Hughes in this draft. That guy doesn't exist. He was definitely better than Kershaw, who's the best prep pitcher this year. I'd rather not reach for a guy at 21. Willems would be a reach, even though I really like him. Anderson would not be a reach, neither would Marrero, Antonelli, Huff, or Parmelee. Even those two college guys, they're not my ideal choices but the Yankees could make up for it in the following rounds with high ceiling guys.
bmxstreetrider86
05-24-06, 07:19 PM
im almost positive betances will be there at 41, most scouts didnt think he was a 7 figure guy, but as a pitcher with the sky as the limit, and he is a big yankee fan, i think taking him at 41 would be good
38Special
05-24-06, 07:22 PM
What so good about Huff? A softtossing lefty with only 90 Ks in 110 innings? That sounds like a 4th round pick to me
I would put my head through the wall if we picked Huff in the first round
Hidekifan57
05-24-06, 07:38 PM
He's far from a 4th round pick, 38. Like I said, not my ideal first rounder but a very fine pitcher. I'm told that he's at worst a supplemental pick in even a strong draft. I know it must be easy to sit here and say which guys will be aces just because they're high schoolers, but I'd rather leave it up to the people who've watched these guys for years. To say Huff is a 4th round type is crazy. There are a lot of guys I'd rather have instead of him, but you have to realize the draft class we're dealing with. I wouldn't bother me at all if Huff was the first rounder IF we went with upside picks the next few selections. I don't see what would be wrong with that if the right high school guy wasn't available in the first round.
1. Anderson
2. Marrero
3. Parmelee
4. Antonelli
5. Huff
That's probably the Yankee's preference order from what I've been learning over the past week. They're not expecting a chance at Antonelli though. Marrero fits their mold nicely being the toolsy guy that he is. And they like lefty swings like Parmelee's. Huff may end up being Barry Zito except with the great changeup, instead of curveball. I know we'd all hate that. ;)
Like the Yankees, Huff is 5th on my wish list so he's certainly not my favorite. But, I don't see what would be so bad about picking him with all the upside talent available later on.
38Special
05-24-06, 07:48 PM
If a soft-tosser cant strike guys out in college how do we expect him to do anything in the minors?
Sorry, I'm just a bit jaded from watching most softtossers do nothing. For every Mark Buehrle there's Brad Halseys and Danny Borrells
Hidekifan57
05-24-06, 07:55 PM
I understand your point. I've bee search, searching, and searching for the hard throwing, ideal prep pitcher to show up for the Yankees but he's not there. Down the road, Latos might be that guy but he isn't now because he lacks the polish. That's the case with most of these guys.
Huff is on a way higher level than Borrell and Halsey ever were. I ordered a college baseball TV package to get a long look at these guys. Huff's pitchability is just off the charts. But, again, he is FAR from my first choice.
With the depth of pitching but lack of frontline pitching, this is why I hope the Yankees nab a position player. Either Marrero or Parmelee will be available, or both. One of them would fit very neatly.
bmxstreetrider86
05-24-06, 09:40 PM
HF57, i was browsing through BA best tools, and willems had the third best FB, and he was rated by them as having the third best control?
is this a case of BA playing up one of its favorites, or is his lack of consistency in his mechanics hurting his control? becuase i would think if it is just his mechanics then he might be a steal to whoever drafts him
also, any chance he lasts to 41?
Hidekifan57
05-24-06, 09:44 PM
Yes, Willems has a very good fastball and pretty good control. But he would not rank that high in many other draft classes. Put him up against first round prep pitchers of the past years, he just doesn't stack up. Very good pitcher, but not a first rounder in just about any other year.
sugmasterflex
05-25-06, 01:56 AM
He's far from a 4th round pick, 38. Like I said, not my ideal first rounder but a very fine pitcher. I'm told that he's at worst a supplemental pick in even a strong draft. I know it must be easy to sit here and say which guys will be aces just because they're high schoolers, but I'd rather leave it up to the people who've watched these guys for years. To say Huff is a 4th round type is crazy. There are a lot of guys I'd rather have instead of him, but you have to realize the draft class we're dealing with. I wouldn't bother me at all if Huff was the first rounder IF we went with upside picks the next few selections. I don't see what would be wrong with that if the right high school guy wasn't available in the first round.
1. Anderson
2. Marrero
3. Parmelee
4. Antonelli
5. Huff
That's probably the Yankee's preference order from what I've been learning over the past week. They're not expecting a chance at Antonelli though. Marrero fits their mold nicely being the toolsy guy that he is. And they like lefty swings like Parmelee's. Huff may end up being Barry Zito except with the great changeup, instead of curveball. I know we'd all hate that. ;)
Like the Yankees, Huff is 5th on my wish list so he's certainly not my favorite. But, I don't see what would be so bad about picking him with all the upside talent available later on.
What about Rowell? Is he sliding because of his poor performance against Sean Black?
sugmasterflex
05-25-06, 02:04 AM
Yes, Willems has a very good fastball and pretty good control. But he would not rank that high in many other draft classes. Put him up against first round prep pitchers of the past years, he just doesn't stack up. Very good pitcher, but not a first rounder in just about any other year.
http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/list.pdf
Willems finished the regular season with 84 K's in 41 2/3 innings and only 5 walks. Statistically speaking, that's Hughes-like control (from his HS days). And that's from a state with good competition Florida (same thing for Hughes from California). What is the main reason scouts think Willems is a reach for the first round? Is it mechanics?
ICEBERG18
05-25-06, 09:32 AM
http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=303&p=2&c=534234&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fyankees.scout.com%2f2%2f534234.html
jeter62375
05-25-06, 10:09 AM
I'm starting a law firm with picks 21 & 41.
The name?
Anderson & Anderson.
The Brett & Lars bandwagon has begun.
BRETT ANDERSON 100%. We won't be disappointed. If he doesn't last until #28 I'd like to see them get Bryan Morris (if he doesn't sign with Tampa as a DNF).
geodork
05-25-06, 10:57 AM
BRETT ANDERSON 100%. We won't be disappointed. If he doesn't last until #28 I'd like to see them get Bryan Morris (if he doesn't sign with Tampa as a DNF).
Bryan Morris will be signed prior to the draft. And you mean is Anderson doesn't last until #21 right? Why do we care if he will last until Boston's 2nd pick?
albo4lyfe
05-25-06, 11:57 AM
Bryan Morris will be signed prior to the draft. And you mean is Anderson doesn't last until #21 right? Why do we care if he will last until Boston's 2nd pick?
He thinks we still have the 28th. I guess he either doesn't know how compensation works when ranked FA's are signed or hasn't payed attention to the Yank's transactions in a long time.
Hidekifan57
05-25-06, 12:56 PM
http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/list.pdf
Willems finished the regular season with 84 K's in 41 2/3 innings and only 5 walks. Statistically speaking, that's Hughes-like control (from his HS days). And that's from a state with good competition Florida (same thing for Hughes from California). What is the main reason scouts think Willems is a reach for the first round? Is it mechanics?
I don't know for sure to be honest. But I've posed the question to many scouts and they almost laugh. Willems is not Hughes. I spoke to John Manuel from BA about this today also. And they even wrote it in BA's writeup of Willems, I'm being told. They're also told he's not an ace type. Also, never judge by stats even if the competition is great. Scouts really don't care about stats at all.
38Special
05-25-06, 12:59 PM
Wasn't it said before the draft that Hughes' fastball was very straight and he had trouble striking guys out
DaYanks4Life
05-25-06, 02:54 PM
Wasn't it said before the draft that Hughes' fastball was very straight and he had trouble striking guys out
Right, I remember that.
Hidekifan57
05-25-06, 06:02 PM
Wasn't it said before the draft that Hughes' fastball was very straight and he had trouble striking guys out
Yes, it was said. But, scouts never doubted he was a frontline guy...ever.
ICEBERG18
05-25-06, 06:46 PM
"Being a first-rounder is nice, but I want to be a Hall-of-Fame major leaguer," said Rowell. "I'm going to keep working for that goal. I'm not just working for the draft, that's just the first step."
http://www.nj.com/sports/gloucester/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1148113114279290.xml&coll=8#continue (http://www.nj.com/sports/gloucester/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1148113114279290.xml&coll=8#continue)
I'll be utterly shocked if he's still on the boad when we pick.
sugmasterflex
05-25-06, 07:32 PM
"Being a first-rounder is nice, but I want to be a Hall-of-Fame major leaguer," said Rowell. "I'm going to keep working for that goal. I'm not just working for the draft, that's just the first step."
http://www.nj.com/sports/gloucester/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1148113114279290.xml&coll=8#continue (http://www.nj.com/sports/gloucester/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1148113114279290.xml&coll=8#continue)
I'll be utterly shocked if he's still on the boad when we pick.
One of Rowell, Marrero, or Burke should be there when we pick.
Hidekifan57
05-25-06, 07:34 PM
Yeah, that's why I'm not even going to believe he has a shot to be a Yankee. Oh well, he would have been a great addition.
sugmasterflex
05-25-06, 07:56 PM
Yeah, that's why I'm not even going to believe he has a shot to be a Yankee. Oh well, he would have been a great addition.
Let's hope for more of these College pitcher's stocks to soar. Maybe these teams that are locked in on Rowell will pick a safe, "polished" pitcher. :)
Hidekifan57
05-25-06, 08:07 PM
In this draft, its possible. Who knows might end up being available at 21.
bmxstreetrider86
05-25-06, 09:12 PM
HF57, would steven king at 41 be a good pick?
Hidekifan57
05-25-06, 09:21 PM
I certainly wouldn't mind King at 41 but I get the feeling there will be even better options.
bmxstreetrider86
05-25-06, 10:41 PM
whats your opinion on brandon belt?
38Special
05-25-06, 10:44 PM
John Mayo's newest prediction has Scherzer falling to us at 21
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060524&content_id=83483&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp
I can say I definitely would not be disappointed if that were to happen, especially if the guys were picked above the Yankees as he predicts (like Rowell and Anderson)
Scherzer looked like a guy who was going to be a top 5 pick coming into this year but he had bicep issues. Despite this he's come back very strong, his most recent start against powerhouse Texas being particularly impressive http://mutigers.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2005-2006/mu_51.html
Given the questions about his early injury issues, and his association with Boras, he definitely looks like a top 10 talent who could fall to us.
John Mayo's newest prediction has Scherzer falling to us at 21
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060524&content_id=83483&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp
I can say I definitely would not be disappointed if that were to happen
I will be very happy if we can take him. He is underrated because of the injury issue which I think is overblown.
albo4lyfe
05-25-06, 11:23 PM
I'd love to get Scherzer in the first. I'm very high on him.
If the draft fell that way I'd love to take Jeffress. HS explosive arm with a hiiigh ceiling.
38Special
05-25-06, 11:39 PM
If the draft fell that way I'd love to take Jeffress. HS explosive arm with a hiiigh ceiling.
As Mayo points out, he sounds alot like Griffin. Guys who throw 100 at 17 scare the bejeezus out of me. Especially those who dont control it. That doesnt sound like the kind of guy who spend a first round pick on
38Special
05-25-06, 11:45 PM
Scherzer's ratios last year
ERA: 1.86 ERA - 4.99 H/9 - 0.25 HR/9 - 3.47 BB/9 - 11.09 K/9
This year, with percentage of strikes thrown
http://i4.tinypic.com/10pt14x.png
His walk numbers have gone up lately, despite his percentage of strikes still being pretty good
I personally love the idea of getting Scherzer if Rowell and Marrero are gone, as none of the HS arms who would be available are THAT enticing. Then once we get to 41 we could pick up one of the rawer high ceiling HS arms like Betances.
The question is, do we take Parmalee or Scherzer if that is the choice?
Kulish29
05-26-06, 12:24 AM
You dont like Anderson 38, or you dont think he'll fall that far?
38Special
05-26-06, 12:28 AM
I dunno, it sounds like his stuff isnt that special. He's a lefty with really good command
DaYanks4Life
05-26-06, 08:53 AM
I dunno, it sounds like his stuff isnt that special. He's a lefty with really good command
I heard he's not athletic and the comps disappointed me but its hard to go on 2nd hand info. I also see Max Scherzer ending up in the bullpen with the lack of innings he's thrown in his career. It would be unchartered territory for him to throw 130 innings in the minor leagues let alone throw 210-230 innings in the bigs eventually. Just a gut feeling.
geodork
05-26-06, 09:40 AM
BA has posted their top 200 prospects for the draft, both as a simple list, and another list with scouting reports. Here are the links:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/draft/features/261380.html
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/draft/features/261389.html
You need to be a subscriber to view either list. None of the Yankee DNF's made the list (no shock there) and none of the three 4-year college guys that were in the 2005 draft (Fister, Turner, Pill) made the list either.
Also surprising was the Jeroloman was at 194, way lower than I thought he would be. Doesn't look like he will amount to much (not near enough stick to go with his formidible defensive skills).
38Special
05-26-06, 10:10 AM
I heard he's not athletic and the comps disappointed me but its hard to go on 2nd hand info. I also see Max Scherzer ending up in the bullpen with the lack of innings he's thrown in his career. It would be unchartered territory for him to throw 130 innings in the minor leagues let alone throw 210-230 innings in the bigs eventually. Just a gut feeling.
I tend to disagree with you. His lack of innings is probably good because theres not much milage on his arm and less worry about him falling apart like the Rice pitchers. He's got a great body for a starter and his changeup has been improving greatly. Also, last year he threw an above average number of innings so it's not as if hes unable to throw more than 60 innings
DaYanks4Life
05-26-06, 10:58 AM
I tend to disagree with you. His lack of innings is probably good because theres not much milage on his arm and less worry about him falling apart like the Rice pitchers. He's got a great body for a starter and his changeup has been improving greatly. Also, last year he threw an above average number of innings so it's not as if hes unable to throw more than 60 innings
I just don't see it, with his body size, reported effort in the delivery and possible injury issues. I would bet that he ends up in the bullpen long-term but it certainly bears watching. We can revert back to this thread in the future 38 and see who called it. ;)
Scherzer's ratios last year
ERA: 1.86 ERA - 4.99 H/9 - 0.25 HR/9 - 3.47 BB/9 - 11.09 K/9
This year, with percentage of strikes thrown
http://i4.tinypic.com/10pt14x.png
His walk numbers have gone up lately, despite his percentage of strikes still being pretty good
I personally love the idea of getting Scherzer if Rowell and Marrero are gone, as none of the HS arms who would be available are THAT enticing. Then once we get to 41 we could pick up one of the rawer high ceiling HS arms like Betances.
The question is, do we take Parmalee or Scherzer if that is the choice?
Wow. Just joined the site, and I'm extremely impressed by your statistical analysis on a number of guys. Do you keep these excel sheets on all of the Yankee prospects and guys in the farm system?
38Special
05-26-06, 11:18 AM
Most of the starting pitcher prospects plus Cox and Schmidt yes. I did for the hitters until the YankeesProspects site popped up, which saves me lots of work. I still do the pitchers because I chart the ground, fly and line drives
Where do you get the L/F/G numbers from? I've only been able to find the L/G numbers. I had some questions on one of your charts. Could I e-mail you?
38Special
05-26-06, 11:52 AM
Sure. poonani38@gmail.com
I get those numbers from going through the game logs by hand
Heres the chart updated as of last Thursday i believe
http://www.geocities.com/poonanimp3/2006PitcherWorksheet.xls
HughesIsNasty
05-26-06, 08:39 PM
what do u guys think of that Notre Dame Picther, Semardja (SP?)...
albo4lyfe
05-26-06, 08:53 PM
what do u guys think of that Notre Dame Picther, Semardja (SP?)...
Doesn't matter, we shouldn't draft him. No way he's leaving football.
38Special
05-26-06, 10:00 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/events/draft/y2006/index.jsp
Click Notre Dame's Jeff Samardzija: 350K on the bottom
And then you can click on the right side of the window and then you can get to all the draft scouting videos this year. The videos are short and ................ty this year
Hidekifan57
05-26-06, 10:09 PM
38, not all are short. Just the ones they cheaped on and just used AFLAC clips like they did with Betances. But some are fine.
38Special
05-26-06, 10:21 PM
The non AFLAC ones still are only like 1-2 mins long
Watching the Jeffress video I'm liking his delivery. It doesn't seem very violent at all.
As I don't claim to be a pitching coach, anyone else watch his video and have an opinion on him?
Hidekifan57
05-27-06, 08:15 AM
That's what I meant. The AFLAC ones are the shortest.
Anyone else not enamored with Brett Anderson's throwing motion? He throws across his body and doesn't have much of a follow thru.
ICEBERG18
05-27-06, 10:23 AM
Anyone else not enamored with Brett Anderson's throwing motion? He throws across his body and doesn't have much of a follow thru.
I'll be honest with you, im starting to cool on him, not that i don't like him anymore, but im just not as high on him as i once was.
Hidekifan57
05-27-06, 10:33 AM
Yeah, I just didn't like what I saw. Not much velocity projection with those mechanics.
That's what I meant. The AFLAC ones are the shortest.
Anyone else not enamored with Brett Anderson's throwing motion? He throws across his body and doesn't have much of a follow thru.
Yes I did notice that, he seemed pretty stiff on the mound and didn't even look like he was getting much on the ball.
I think lefties with ability tend to get overrated and this may be such of case. Although I can't damn him as a player from 2 minutes of video.
Hidekifan57
05-27-06, 10:42 AM
Although I can't damn him as a player from 2 minutes of video.
Also, very true.
BomberBrian
05-28-06, 09:12 AM
Rowell article:
http://www.nypost.com/sports/64363.htm
27IsNext
05-28-06, 10:18 AM
Rowell article:
http://www.nypost.com/sports/64363.htm
Geez, he committed to 'Bama? I had no idea. Now I kinda don't want him to go pro, because we need a good shortstop who can hit. If he somehow falls to the Yanks, then nevermind. He's who I want.
38Special
05-28-06, 10:42 AM
Theres no way he goes to Bama or falls to the Yankees at this point
Yanks21
05-28-06, 03:33 PM
It looks like Rowell is going to the Reds at 8. Too bad for the Yanks...
albo4lyfe
05-28-06, 04:47 PM
It looks like Rowell is going to the Reds at 8. Too bad for the Yanks...
There are a number of very good college starters that the Reds could take at 8. Their line-up is more than capable of producing runs, they need pitching though. Bailey + college starter w/ 1/2 ceiling = a great 1-2 punch.
Yanks21
05-28-06, 05:02 PM
There are a number of very good college starters that the Reds could take at 8. Their line-up is more than capable of producing runs, they need pitching though. Bailey + college starter w/ 1/2 ceiling = a great 1-2 punch.
The Reds are bringing Rowell in for a private workout. The farm director Tim Naehring likes targeting projectable HS players. From what I've been reading Rowell looks to be their target...
38Special
05-28-06, 05:23 PM
I wouldnt draft a pitcher if I were the Reds either. Their record for developing pitchers is horrific
albo4lyfe
05-28-06, 05:29 PM
I wouldnt draft a pitcher if I were the Reds either. Their record for developing pitchers is horrific
I guess then they'll remain in the basement for a number of years.
YankProspector
05-28-06, 05:48 PM
When is the MLB amateur draft?
June 6-7
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/events/draft/y2006/index.jsp
sugmasterflex
05-28-06, 07:50 PM
It looks like Rowell is going to the Reds at 8. Too bad for the Yanks...
It will be very interesting to see who the Reds take if Stubbs, Morrow, and Rowell are all available at #8, which they may very well be.
Yanks21
05-28-06, 08:39 PM
It will be very interesting to see who the Reds take if Stubbs, Morrow, and Rowell are all available at #8, which they may very well be.
It will be interesting indeed. Although, it's starting to look like Morrow and Stubbs will be off the board by 8...
YankProspector
05-28-06, 08:53 PM
June 6-7
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/events/draft/y2006/index.jsp
Thanks....My GOD ...it's June already ....the year is flying by ....... :(
http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=303&p=2&c=534852&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fstory.scout.com%2fa.z%3fs%3d303%26p%3d2%26c%3d534852
I hope we can take Max Scherzer, really.
albo4lyfe
05-28-06, 10:47 PM
I'd love to take Scherzer and I can see him falling w/ Boras as his agent + the earlier injuries.
Kulish29
05-28-06, 10:47 PM
Watching Kasey Kiker pitch, he reminds me of Dontrelle Willis but with a more fluid motion.
For those hoping for Scherzer, Mayo did a projection on mlb.com of the first round and actually had the Yankees picking him up at 21.
We're on pretty good terms with Boras. Let's hope he falls to us.
DWells4prez
05-29-06, 01:19 PM
Well as a senior high schooler myself, going to play at st johns u next season, i have played many times against billy rowell. I have no personal vendetta against him or anything, but the fact that hes looked at this high in the draft, shows its very weak. Yea he is very projectable, 6'5 180, runs high 6 in the 60 and has a cannon from short. However, he's too cocky, walks like hes gods gift to earth, and in all honesty, is hit or miss. His HS team plays weak competition, and during travel ball last season, i saw him hit a 400 ft shot with wood, and then jsut stared at it, WORSE then manny did to proctor last week, in front of likr 40 or so scouts at the game. I'm just posting my 2 cents, I play against alot of the HS players, but billy the most. He has a sweet swing, but he misses more then he makes contact against good pitching. Any other questions, let me know.
homer2931
05-29-06, 01:27 PM
Well as a senior high schooler myself, going to play at st johns u next season, i have played many times against billy rowell. I have no personal vendetta against him or anything, but the fact that hes looked at this high in the draft, shows its very weak. Yea he is very projectable, 6'5 180, runs high 6 in the 60 and has a cannon from short. However, he's too cocky, walks like hes gods gift to earth, and in all honesty, is hit or miss. His HS team plays weak competition, and during travel ball last season, i saw him hit a 400 ft shot with wood, and then jsut stared at it, WORSE then manny did to proctor last week, in front of likr 40 or so scouts at the game. I'm just posting my 2 cents, I play against alot of the HS players, but billy the most. He has a sweet swing, but he misses more then he makes contact against good pitching. Any other questions, let me know.
Are you the Manalpan pitcher?
Well as a senior high schooler myself, going to play at st johns u next season, i have played many times against billy rowell. I have no personal vendetta against him or anything, but the fact that hes looked at this high in the draft, shows its very weak. Yea he is very projectable, 6'5 180, runs high 6 in the 60 and has a cannon from short. However, he's too cocky, walks like hes gods gift to earth, and in all honesty, is hit or miss. His HS team plays weak competition, and during travel ball last season, i saw him hit a 400 ft shot with wood, and then jsut stared at it, WORSE then manny did to proctor last week, in front of likr 40 or so scouts at the game. I'm just posting my 2 cents, I play against alot of the HS players, but billy the most. He has a sweet swing, but he misses more then he makes contact against good pitching. Any other questions, let me know.
Wow, thanks for the information.
I don't want him now if he did that.
DWells4prez
05-29-06, 01:32 PM
Are you the Manalpan pitcher?
Its a good possibility, why do you ask? I'm not here to bash or anything just to give my input as a diehard yankee fan.
Steph19
05-29-06, 01:46 PM
Well as a senior high schooler myself, going to play at st johns u next season
Really? Cool. I am the sports editor of St. John's student newspaper (The Torch) and the beat writer for their baseball team. I guess I'll meet you next season.
homer2931
05-29-06, 02:01 PM
Its a good possibility, why do you ask? I'm not here to bash or anything just to give my input as a diehard yankee fan.
Just because I read a story in the APP about a Manalapan pitcher going to St. Johns, and since Rowell also plays in NJ...
sugmasterflex
05-29-06, 03:55 PM
New rankings are up...
http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewDraftAmateurPlayerRanking.do?positionId=0&draftId=4
I wouldn't mind getting Marrero and Latos with our first two picks.
Kyler Burke and Lars Anderson are starting to grow on me, as is Jeremy Jeffres.
Yankyfan
05-29-06, 04:34 PM
Hey M07 did you see Big Ryan's stats of late? 4-0 with a 270 era 26-5 so-bb.Just thought Id fill you guys in after the beating he got after he started off so bad.By the way in High A!!You know just in the I told you so mode:D
I'm sort of hoping for two power pitchers, or one power pitcher and one lefty or slugger.
Yankyfan
05-29-06, 05:44 PM
I'm hoping its all pitching.Betences or Hughes will make my day.
I'm hoping its all pitching.Betences or Hughes will make my day.Just talking about the first and the sanwhich, right?
JeffWeaverFan
05-29-06, 06:01 PM
Where does Hochever project to go in this years draft?
JeffWeaverFan
05-29-06, 06:05 PM
I'm hoping its all pitching.Betences or Hughes will make my day.
Betences looks like he would be a very exciting prospect.
edit: Reading up on him more, I'm sold. I really hope we get him.
Where does Hochever project to go in this years draft?Top 5.
BomberBrian
05-29-06, 06:23 PM
Betances in the 3rd will be ok by me.
albo4lyfe
05-29-06, 06:43 PM
1st round - Scherzer
1st supp. - Kiker
3rd round - Betances
4th round - Belt
As you can see I'm not high on the position players this year (Rowell, Marrero, and a few others yes but that's it.) as most teams are bound to reach and we shouldn't IMO.
1st round - Scherzer
1st supp. - Kiker
3rd round - Betances
4th round - Belt
As you can see I'm not high on the position players this year (Rowell, Marrero, and a few others yes but that's it.) as most teams are bound to reach and we shouldn't IMO.That would be awesome.
Hidekifan57
05-29-06, 07:15 PM
I don't want Kiker. Way too many questions about his makeup.
albo4lyfe
05-29-06, 07:22 PM
I don't want Kiker. Way too many questions about his makeup.
It's really that bad, eh? Does have a great arm and is a lefty so he's definitely enticing. If not him then Latos would be a guy I'd really want.
Hidekifan57
05-29-06, 07:41 PM
Makeup is the only real thing that scares me off a prospect. Other issues can be worked out (as can makeup) but you just never know what you're going to get with a guy with makeup issues.
DWells4prez
05-29-06, 07:52 PM
Makeup is the only real thing that scares me off a prospect. Other issues can be worked out (as can makeup) but you just never know what you're going to get with a guy with makeup issues.
Does anyone know what their questioning in kaseys makeup? I hear people talk about him and Kyle Drabek's makeup, but have never mentioned the problems. Can someone inform me?
Hidekifan57
05-29-06, 08:15 PM
No one, including me, really wants it released. The scouts know it, and that's all that matters.
Yanks21
05-29-06, 08:28 PM
The rumors about Drabek could have him falling far in the draft. It goes beyond his alleged ornery personality...
Kiker pitches angry. Which I like. I don't think his "make-up" questions are as significant as Drabek's...
Hidekifan57
05-29-06, 09:02 PM
The rumors about Drabek could have him falling far in the draft. It goes beyond his alleged ornery personality...
Kiker pitches angry. Which I like. I don't think his "make-up" questions are as significant as Drabek's...
Believe me, they are.
Yanks21
05-30-06, 12:06 AM
Believe me, they are.
Interesting...
sugmasterflex
05-30-06, 05:23 AM
Last night's midnight deadline passed without the Mets reaching a contract agreement with former Xaverian High School righthander Pedro Beato, so last year's 17th-round draft pick will go back into the draft
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmets0530,0,3280417.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
Wow. They let Beato get away. :eek:
The Yanks, as well as several other teams, will have him on their radar now.
38Special
05-30-06, 08:35 AM
There are steroid and attitude related rumors about Drabek. Kiker who knows
You can't ignore character issues with guys, look at the Red Sox 1st round (supp) pick Jon Egan last year. Not long after the draft he was pulled over with cocaine and has yet to report to the Red Sox camp this year
38Special
05-30-06, 08:53 AM
I think we should take Beato :)
Yankyfan
05-30-06, 09:19 AM
My buddy who does security said the Yanks are going to work out Delin and few other local guys this week at the stadium.
There are steroid and attitude related rumors about Drabek. Kiker who knows
You can't ignore character issues with guys, look at the Red Sox 1st round (supp) pick Jon Egan last year. Not long after the draft he was pulled over with cocaine and has yet to report to the Red Sox camp this year
Yup. Josh Hamilton is probably the best example.
Fabien Brandy
05-30-06, 10:51 AM
Yup. Josh Hamilton is probably the best example.And Allison, the Marlins pitching prospect.
ICEBERG18
05-30-06, 10:53 AM
My buddy who does security said the Yanks are going to work out Delin and few other local guys this week at the stadium.
Yanks invite Almonte
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/422128p-356316c.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/422128p-356316c.html)
Kulish29
05-30-06, 11:01 AM
What do you guys think about Colton Willems?
Steph19
05-30-06, 11:06 AM
Yanks invite Almonte
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/422128p-356316c.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/422128p-356316c.html)
I like that they're checking out the local kids. I really hope we sign Betances and I wouldn't mind drafting Almonte too, as long as we don't pick him too high.
SoCal Pinstriper
05-30-06, 11:12 AM
The deadline to sign Luke Hochevar is today and it appears it will pass without a deal. The Dodgers and the right-handed pitcher's agent, Scott Boras, have not talked since spring training.
The Dodgers took Hochevar, the college pitcher of the year in 2005 with Tennessee, with a supplemental first-round pick last June but were unwilling to meet his demand for $4 million.
Boras is convinced another team will pay Hochevar what he wants after he goes back in the draft June 6. He says he believes there is a premium for college players projected to make the major leagues quickly.
"We've put that tag on about 12 guys in the 20 years I've been in this business, and in every case, the player has turned out the way we thought he would," Boras said. "I realize this applies to only 1% of players, but we've demonstrated that when we put this tag on a player, he excels in the big leagues, and he usually gets here in less than a year, and we felt Luke fell into this class." http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-dodrep30may30,1,4103817.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-sports
Steph19
05-30-06, 11:18 AM
I know it's a ton of money but I'm surprised the Dodgers aren't just paying up. I expected Hochevar to eventually sign and now it looks like all L.A.'s going to get is an extra supplimental pick in a very weak draft.
SoCal Pinstriper
05-30-06, 11:43 AM
I know it's a ton of money but I'm surprised the Dodgers aren't just paying up. I expected Hochevar to eventually sign and now it looks like all L.A.'s going to get is an extra supplimental pick in a very weak draft. The conspiracy theorist in me says that for years, beginning with Fox's ownership, the Dodgers had a great relationship with Boras, whose clients comprised a significant portion of their roster. Boras got seats in the first row behind home plate, a location that allowed him to schmooze with players during BP. As things went south for the team, there were rumblings that he and (club pres.)Bob Daily were too close, and that he was the "de facto" GM.
Although it is virtually impossible not to do business with Boras clients, I see this as a possible shot across the bow (and a message to the press and fans) by Colletti that it isn't going to be business as usual for Boras with the Dodgers.
OTOH, Hochevar was not Colletti's pick (he was hired this past offseason). Maybe he just didn't like the kid. :dunno: It really doesn't make much sense.
albo4lyfe
05-30-06, 11:47 AM
So, Hochevar(not a surprise), Beato(stupid Mets), and Morris(doesn't Tampa need pitching?) re-enter the draft which means that we'll have a better choice at 21. Great news.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/261479.html
albo4lyfe
05-30-06, 11:48 AM
There are steroid and attitude related rumors about Drabek. Kiker who knows
You can't ignore character issues with guys, look at the Red Sox 1st round (supp) pick Jon Egan last year. Not long after the draft he was pulled over with cocaine and has yet to report to the Red Sox camp this year
Steroids? Whoa, stay away from Drabek then.
albo4lyfe
05-30-06, 11:50 AM
I think we should take Beato :)
I wouldn't mind the pick at all. Mid-90s fastball, has a chance for 3 plus pitches.
geodork
05-30-06, 12:27 PM
I know it's a ton of money but I'm surprised the Dodgers aren't just paying up. I expected Hochevar to eventually sign and now it looks like all L.A.'s going to get is an extra supplimental pick in a very weak draft.
Hochevar was a supplimental pick in '05 (#40) so there is no compensation for failing to sign him. So the Dodgers get nothing, but I guess they get to save 4 mil. For whatever that's worth.
I wouldn't mind the pick at all. Mid-90s fastball, has a chance for 3 plus pitches.I worry about drafting fat teenagers.
geodork
05-30-06, 12:51 PM
I worry about drafting fat teenagers.
6'5" 210 lbs is fat? In what world? Are you looking for someone with a body like Paris Hilton? Do you have info that is different than what is reported online?
JeffWeaverFan
05-30-06, 01:44 PM
My buddy who does security said the Yanks are going to work out Delin and few other local guys this week at the stadium.
Great. I'm hoping we get Delin sometime after the 1st round.
albo4lyfe
05-30-06, 01:44 PM
I worry about drafting fat teenagers.
Hughes is 6'5" 220, 10 lbs lighter than Beato. And Hughes definitely isn't fat. So, how is Beato fat? I'm guessing you thought he was bigger than 6'5" 210.
albo4lyfe
05-30-06, 01:46 PM
Great. I'm hoping we get Delin sometime after the 1st round.
3rd round would be perfect. A lot of upside in him.
Iknowcool
05-30-06, 01:46 PM
I actually wouldn't mind if the Yanks drafted a "cheap" signable player and spent the saved money on the International FA market, especially with the weakness in this years draft. Montero and Pena sound like two great first round type talents, if drafting a player for signability means we can sign one of them, I'd be all for it. I heard Beato reportedly wasn't asking for too high of a price from the Mets, will that change if he gets drafted in the first?
homer2931
05-30-06, 01:48 PM
Yup. Josh Hamilton is probably the best example.
Actually, I think I heard that scouts thought Hamilton had excellent make up, and that his HS hands out an award for sportmanship in his name still, it was unpredicatble what happened
Fabien Brandy
05-30-06, 01:50 PM
Actually, I think I heard that scouts thought Hamilton had excellent make up, and that his HS hands out an award for sportmanship in his name still, it was unpredicatble what happenedYeah - I think I read that in hindsight it appears that his parents smothered him and that once he was on his own and had $$$ he got crazy with tatoos and then drugs.
I also think that one reason Hamilton went ahead of Beckett was that Hamilton was an all-american nice kid whereas Beckett was a cocky SOB.
JeffWeaverFan
05-30-06, 01:51 PM
Are there any good catchers that we might take early with high upside?
albo4lyfe
05-30-06, 01:57 PM
Are there any good catchers that we might take early with high upside?
Eh, not really. Conger and Sapp but it's not clear if they'll stick as catchers. I wouldn't draft a catcher early, instead sign Pena.
Iknowcool
05-30-06, 01:57 PM
Forgot about Chad Tracy.
Fabien Brandy
05-30-06, 01:57 PM
Are there any good catchers that we might take early with high upside?I could see them grabbing Mike Murray out of Wesfield, NJ if he drops a ways.
http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewAmateurPlayerProfile.do?playerId=649&draftId=4
Iknowcool
05-30-06, 01:59 PM
Tracy is a line-drive hitting catcher out of Pepperdine who has average to above average D, projects to be a late first/early second type.
6'5" 210 lbs is fat? In what world? Are you looking for someone with a body like Paris Hilton? Do you have info that is different than what is reported online?Saw a picture of him yesterday, he was fat.
Hughes is 6'5" 220, 10 lbs lighter than Beato. And Hughes definitely isn't fat. So, how is Beato fat? I'm guessing you thought he was bigger than 6'5" 210.Hughes needs to gain some weight. The pic I saw of Beato yesterday showed him as being fat.
albo4lyfe
05-30-06, 02:10 PM
Hughes needs to gain some weight. The pic I saw of Beato yesterday showed him as being fat.
Got a link to Beato's pic? Would like to see it.
Fabien Brandy
05-30-06, 02:21 PM
Got a link to Beato's pic? Would like to see it.He might have seen this from the NY Post - its a story about Beato but the photo is of another pitcher mentioned at the very end.
http://www.nypost.com/sports/64345.htm
albo4lyfe
05-30-06, 02:29 PM
He might have seen this from the NY Post - its a story about Beato but the photo is of another pitcher mentioned at the very end.
http://www.nypost.com/sports/64345.htm
LOL, that dude does not look Hispanic. He saw the article was about Beato and assumed the guy in the pic was him. Understandable mistake. Hmm, the article states him at 235 but BA has him at 210. Who the hell is right?
BomberBrian
05-30-06, 02:31 PM
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-04/17207087.jpg
Beato pic from high school.
He might have seen this from the NY Post - its a story about Beato but the photo is of another pitcher mentioned at the very end.
http://www.nypost.com/sports/64345.htm
That's not it.
albo4lyfe
05-30-06, 02:36 PM
Ok, the article is wrong.
The Mets drafted Beato in the 13th round a year ago following a strong senior season, but questions still lingered about the health of his arm because of the injury.
Can't these morons get anything right? Mets drafted Beato in the 17th round.
BomberBrian
05-30-06, 02:36 PM
That ny post article has him at 235.
His JUCO website roster has him at 215.
I've seen him listed as low as 210.
Regardless, at 6-5, I wouldn't qualify 235 lbs. as fat.
TheScooter
05-30-06, 02:46 PM
I wish the Yankees had taken Beato.Not only as a Yankee fan but also as a Xaverian alum:mad:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=76878&page=23&highlight=beato
The Yankees have a chance to correct their mistake
albo4lyfe
05-30-06, 02:56 PM
I wish the Yankees had taken Beato.Not only as a Yankee fan but also as a Xaverian alum:mad:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=76878&page=23&highlight=beato
The Yankees have a chance to correct their mistake
Your wish may come true.
We need to collect more power arms!
yankeetke
05-30-06, 07:26 PM
I actually wouldn't mind if the Yanks drafted a "cheap" signable player and spent the saved money on the International FA market, especially with the weakness in this years draft. Montero and Pena sound like two great first round type talents, if drafting a player for signability means we can sign one of them, I'd be all for it. I heard Beato reportedly wasn't asking for too high of a price from the Mets, will that change if he gets drafted in the first?
I would. With the Yankees wasting about 10 million a year for Carl Pavano to go to the doctors I would be upset to see the Yankees worry about spending an extra 500,000 on a prospect that can end up saving tens of millions later on if he pans out and isnt a huge loss to the Yankees if he does not. It may be an unfair advantage that the Yankees have all this money but I'm not above taking advantage of something within the rules and it doesnt appear that Yankee management is either. So they should draft the best player available regardless of cost because in the end if the prospect pans out then they will save money in the end regardless for what they sign as a draft pick. And they shouldn't let money spent in the draft keep them from spending money in the International free agent market if they think players there are worth the money. They should think of it as an investment for the future.
Sure. poonani38@gmail.com
I get those numbers from going through the game logs by hand
Heres the chart updated as of last Thursday i believe
http://www.geocities.com/poonanimp3/2006PitcherWorksheet.xls
I shot you an e-mail. Have you recently updated the worksheet?
38Special
05-31-06, 02:06 PM
Sorry i havent checked it. Im going to this weekend when i finish some school work. Ill throw it up here at that point
SoCal Pinstriper
05-31-06, 02:46 PM
DRays' draft plans:
DRAFT TALK: Devil Rays scouting director R.J. Harrison is holding meetings with his staff this week at Tropicana Field as the team makes final preparations for Tuesday's draft. The Rays hold the No. 3 overall pick and have narrowed their potential selection to five players: University of North Carolina LHP Andrew Miller (whom the Rays chose in the third round out of Gainesville in 2003); University of Washington RHP Tim Lincecum; University of Houston RHP Brad Lincoln; Long Beach State IF Evan Longoria; and University of California RHP Brandon Morrow. http://www.tbo.com/sports/rays/MGBEOSM5VNE.html
Iknowcool
05-31-06, 03:13 PM
I would. With the Yankees wasting about 10 million a year for Carl Pavano to go to the doctors I would be upset to see the Yankees worry about spending an extra 500,000 on a prospect that can end up saving tens of millions later on if he pans out and isnt a huge loss to the Yankees if he does not. It may be an unfair advantage that the Yankees have all this money but I'm not above taking advantage of something within the rules and it doesnt appear that Yankee management is either. So they should draft the best player available regardless of cost because in the end if the prospect pans out then they will save money in the end regardless for what they sign as a draft pick. And they shouldn't let money spent in the draft keep them from spending money in the International free agent market if they think players there are worth the money. They should think of it as an investment for the future.
I'd love it if we had an unlimited budget and could sign every international FA out there, plus give a draftee a major league deal. But I'm working within reality here. And reality is there is a set budget for the development area. And as long as there is, it might be wise to focus that budget on the International FA market this year, rather than on a weak draft class.
albo4lyfe
05-31-06, 04:01 PM
Good thing that Oppenheimer is open-minded and won't pass up on the best player available.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060530&content_id=1479349&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
Fabien Brandy
05-31-06, 04:47 PM
Good thing that Oppenheimer is open-minded and won't pass up on the best player available.Mark Feinsand needs a better fact-checker. Austin Jackson was headed to Georgia Tech. It was Henry that would have gone to Kansas.
albo4lyfe
05-31-06, 05:04 PM
Mark Feinsand needs a better fact-checker. Austin Jackson was headed to Georgia Tech. It was Henry that would have gone to Kansas.
Didn't pay attention to that; I'm just happy that we've got both. But you're right.
I'd love it if we had an unlimited budget and could sign every international FA out there, plus give a draftee a major league deal. But I'm working within reality here. And reality is there is a set budget for the development area. And as long as there is, it might be wise to focus that budget on the International FA market this year, rather than on a weak draft class.
And if the Yankees ever operated with an unlimited budget, baseball would do every thing possible to stop it.
Start with a world baseball draft and maybe even a cap on what you can spend on player development.
It’s best for the Yankees to play it cool and strike when they can, like in the case of Austin Jackson.
So bringing up that Wright and Pavano make millions is irrelevant. It's apples and oranges.
38Special
05-31-06, 05:42 PM
Look at the Royals this year with their poor management. They are paying the following salaries
5 million Reggie Sanders
4 million Mark Grudzielanek
4 million Scott Elarton
1.8 million Doug Mienkiewicz
1.7 million Emil Brown
1.7 million Elmer Dessens
That's about 20 million they're spending on guys for a season where they have no chance of competing, and are only blocking rookies from playing. 20 million that if invested well in the draft and international FAs could give them a powerhouse minor league system and have them in the playoffs in 5 years
The Yankees have that money and more. That 40 million spent on a Carl Pavano when put into minor league operations is much more valuable
sugmasterflex
05-31-06, 05:59 PM
With the draft only a few days away, it doesn't look like Rowell, Marrero, or Antonelli will be there at #21. In this case, I would choose between Jeffres or Latos. Even though Latos may be a slight overdraft at 21, he has better control than Kershaw or Jeffres all the while pitching in the state with deepest talent pool this year (Florida). Latos is also 6-6 200lbs and very projectable. But at the same time a lot of people like Jeffres and his elctric arm. Then, I would go for Burke in the supplemental and Belt in the 3rd.
Of course, with this draft, everything may change again in a couple of days. :)
albo4lyfe
05-31-06, 06:15 PM
I'm not high on Jeffress. He screams BUST to me. Marrero and Antonelli could be there at 21.
ICEBERG18
05-31-06, 06:19 PM
Brett Anderson
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/anderson_brett_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/anderson_brett_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
Christopher Parmelee
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/parmelee_christopher_m_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/parmelee_christopher_m_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
Matthew Antonelli
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/antonelli_matthew_a_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/antonelli_matthew_a_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
Luke Hochevar
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2005/open/draft/prospects/hochevar_luke_a_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2005/open/draft/prospects/hochevar_luke_a_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
David Huff
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/huff_david_g_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/huff_david_g_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
Jordan Walden
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/walden_jordan_c_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/walden_jordan_c_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
Colton Willems
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/willems_colton_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/willems_colton_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
Travis Snider
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/snider_travis_j_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/snider_travis_j_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
Maxwell Scherzer
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/scherzer_maxwell_m_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/scherzer_maxwell_m_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
William Rowell
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/rowell_bill_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/rowell_bill_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
Jeremy Jeffress
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/jeffress_jeremy_r_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/jeffress_jeremy_r_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
Dellin Betances
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/betances_dellin_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/betances_dellin_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/events/draft/y2006/tracker/search.jsp (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/events/draft/y2006/tracker/search.jsp)
albo4lyfe
05-31-06, 06:22 PM
Hmm, Lee is listed in the draft tracker. Guess we didn't sign him.
Nevermind, Sean O'Sullivan is listed as well and the Angels signed him.
ICEBERG18
05-31-06, 06:30 PM
With the draft only a few days away, it doesn't look like Rowell, Marrero, or Antonelli will be there at #21. In this case, I would choose between Jeffres or Latos. Even though Latos may be a slight overdraft at 21, he has better control than Kershaw or Jeffres all the while pitching in the state with deepest talent pool this year (Florida). Latos is also 6-6 200lbs and very projectable. But at the same time a lot of people like Jeffres and his elctric arm. Then, I would go for Burke in the supplemental and Belt in the 3rd.
Of course, with this draft, everything may change again in a couple of days. :)
M. Latos
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/latos_matthew_a_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/latos_matthew_a_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
I like Jordan Walden's delivery better than Latos's. Hidekifan57, what are the scouts saying about Jordan Walden? And do you think he has a chance to be on the board at #41?
38Special
05-31-06, 06:58 PM
Hmm, Lee is listed in the draft tracker. Guess we didn't sign him.
Nevermind, Sean O'Sullivan is listed as well and the Angels signed him.
and Roskopf too.
I dont think it means anything
albo4lyfe
05-31-06, 06:58 PM
Scherzer's delivery is not the prettiest.
albo4lyfe
05-31-06, 06:59 PM
and Roskopf too.
I dont think it means anything
Yeah, seeing O'Sullivan there is proof enough.
Fabien Brandy
05-31-06, 07:13 PM
Sounds like Iceberg is Latos-intolerant!
Seriously, I'd like the Yankees to nab Mike Murray as a HS catcher if he's around in the mid-rounds. He's signed with Wake Forest but as a NJ kid they could get him signed.
Hidekifan57
05-31-06, 07:33 PM
Walden is gonna fall more than people think from what I'm hearing. That big time fastball just hasn't been there.
ICEBERG18
05-31-06, 07:35 PM
Walden is gonna fall more than people think from what I'm hearing. That big time fastball just hasn't been there.
Interesting.
Scouts consider this year's national crop of seniors to be a weak class. Several of the top prospects have been inconsistent, including Mansfield right-hander Jordan Walden, whose velocity has fluctuated from the upper 80s to upper 90s.
-Dalls Morning News-
Now im off the take Walden at #41 bandwagon
surge511
05-31-06, 07:37 PM
Sounds like Iceberg is Latos-intolerant!
Seriously, I'd like the Yankees to nab Mike Murray as a HS catcher if he's around in the mid-rounds. He's signed with Wake Forest but as a NJ kid they could get him signed.
Would he be able to stay at catcher, or would he have to change positions?
DWells4prez
05-31-06, 08:06 PM
Mike is one of the hardest working players ive ever played with. He has great plate coverage, has one of the best eye's ive ever seen, knows how to call a game and can really rake. Best catcher in NJ ill tell you that, if he does go to wake like hes supposed to be i bet with his work ethic he'll be a 1st rounder in 3 years. go mike
As for staying at catcher, definetly, great arm, very fluid, great blocker, only will get better as time progresses.
Fabien Brandy
05-31-06, 08:08 PM
Would he be able to stay at catcher, or would he have to change positions?All I know is what is at brewerfan.net but they seem to be up on which catching prospects are likely to get moved. According to their info "his best attribute is a strong, accurate and consistent arm that should shut down an opposing running game. He moves well behind the plate, blocks balls in the dirt with the best of them, and knows how to handle a pitching staff."
He's also a left-handed hitter and has a max work ethic.
ICEBERG18
05-31-06, 08:21 PM
When are we going to put our final picks in for who we want at #21?
BomberBrian
05-31-06, 08:24 PM
June 5th.
ICEBERG18
05-31-06, 08:26 PM
June 5th.
Gotcha.
sugmasterflex
06-01-06, 02:04 AM
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article_perspectives.jsp?ymd=20060531&content_id=1481230&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp
NYDCYankee
06-01-06, 02:46 AM
Ok you guys no more than I do? How good is Betances, his stuff looks sick...could he be a number 1. Will he be sitting there at pick 41?
Also are there any Austin Jackson types this year that the Yankees have in their back pockets ready to bowl over with cash late in the draft? Any Boras clients?
21st pick: Pedro Beato
41st pick: Dellin Betances or Matt Latos
Fabien Brandy
06-01-06, 08:45 AM
If Mayo's mock draft is accurate as to Boston's picks I'll be absolutely overjoyed.
DaYanks4Life
06-01-06, 10:21 AM
If Mayo's mock draft is accurate as to Boston's picks I'll be absolutely overjoyed.
Those mocks drafts are usually very wrong but I share your thoughts.
DaYanks4Life
06-01-06, 10:25 AM
From the video, I want Betances in the worst way. Filthy stuff.
sugmasterflex
06-01-06, 10:28 AM
21st pick: Pedro Beato
41st pick: Dellin Betances or Matt Latos
One of these picks will be a bat.
One of these picks will be a bat.
I don't think it's a must. We should not focus on drafing a pitcher and a hitter in our first two picks in order to make it more balance, but to draft the best talant who is left to us. And this year's draft is a pitcher's year.
sugmasterflex
06-01-06, 11:01 AM
I don't think it's a must. We should not focus on drafing a pitcher and a hitter in our first two picks in order to make it more balance, but to draft the best talant who is left to us. And this year's draft is a pitcher's year.
This year's draft is a pitcher's draft, which means if you don't get a hitter early you may not get a good one.
This year's draft is a pitcher's draft, which means if you don't get a hitter early you may not get a good one.
Or it's means that we draft a hitter who is 3rd round talant in the first round.
TheScooter
06-01-06, 11:03 AM
Will the Yankees continue on the high school player route or will they go the college route with #21?
sugmasterflex
06-01-06, 11:11 AM
Or it's means that we draft a hitter who is 3rd round talant in the first round.
:confused: WHY would you do that? That's David Parish all over again.
Steph19
06-01-06, 11:14 AM
Will the Yankees continue on the high school player route or will they go the college route with #21?
From what I've read, it seems split - some college projections (Max Scherzer, David Huff) vs some HS projections (mostly Brett Anderson.)
I think if Scherzer is there, we won't pass on him but I do also really like Jeremy Jeffress (even with the concerns)
sugmasterflex
06-01-06, 11:16 AM
Will the Yankees continue on the high school player route or will they go the college route with #21?
I don't think they even know yet. It all depends on how the first round shakes out, which is anybody's guess. If none of the picks they're eyeing are there at #21, I wouldn't settle for someone like David Huff. Instead, draft someone like Matt Latos, who may be a slight overdraft but has a very high ceiling
:confused: WHY would you do that? That's David Parish all over again.
I won't do that. My meaning is that we may do it if we have a "if we don't get a hitter early we may not get a good one" attitude. Because of the lack of hitting talants, we may end up drafting a third round hitter in the first round.
sugmasterflex
06-01-06, 11:31 AM
I won't do that. My meaning is that we may do it if we have a "if we don't get a hitter early we may not get a good one" attitude. Because of the lack of hitting talants, we may end up drafting a third round hitter in the first round.
I seriously doubt that happens. All of the hitters we hear the Yanks have an interest in (Marrero, Antonelli, Burke, Anderson) are 1st round - 1st Supplemental talents.
Fabien Brandy
06-01-06, 11:56 AM
I won't do that. My meaning is that we may do it if we have a "if we don't get a hitter early we may not get a good one" attitude. Because of the lack of hitting talants, we may end up drafting a third round hitter in the first round. I agree with you assuming you mean that the team has a draft board ranking players and if pitchers are top on their board at both the 20s pick and the 40s pick then they don't scroll down their board to draft a hitter because of relative scarcity.
What matters is overall talent - if you're the best hitter in your draft class it doesn't matter once you're thrown into the minor league pool as a whole.
ICEBERG18
06-01-06, 11:57 AM
Im interested in Kyler Burke. I want to see video of his swing. He sounds like a player to take if he falls to the 3rd or 4th Rd and pay him the $$$
http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewAmateurPlayerProfile.do?playerId=647&draftId=4 (http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewAmateurPlayerProfile.do?playerId=647&draftId=4)
• Ooltewah (Tenn.) High senior lefthander/outfielder Kyler Burke was putting a fitting finish on his prep career. He was fifth all-time on the Tennessee single-season home run chart while batting .511-19-54 in 92 at-bats. The Vanderbilt signee was 6-0, 1.85 with 61 strikeouts and 21 walks in 34 innings on the mound. "Where does he play, that's the million-dollar question," said a scout with a National League organization. "He's been 88-90, with a decent breaking ball, just lights out on the mound and wearing it out at the plate."
-Baseball America-
Kulish29
06-01-06, 12:17 PM
Anyone think Clayton Kershaw could fall to us?
ICEBERG18
06-01-06, 12:21 PM
Anyone think Clayton Kershaw could fall to us?
Nope.
Iknowcool
06-01-06, 01:20 PM
I would love it if we got Scherzer with our first rounder. This guy reminds me more and more of Bonderman.
Iknowcool
06-01-06, 01:21 PM
Sorry, not Bonderman but Verlander
DaYanks4Life
06-01-06, 01:27 PM
I would love it if we got Scherzer with our first rounder. This guy reminds me more and more of Bonderman.
Very enticing but he just screams bullpen to me, IMO.
albo4lyfe
06-01-06, 01:43 PM
Very enticing but he just screams bullpen to me, IMO.
If they can tone down his delivery more I think he can stick as a starter.
ICEBERG18
06-01-06, 02:14 PM
I would love it if we got Scherzer with our first rounder. This guy reminds me more and more of Bonderman.
I don't like his delivery.
38Special
06-01-06, 02:14 PM
Simpson has Huff going to the Yankees, Mayo with Scherzer
Kulish29
06-01-06, 02:43 PM
Simpson has Huff going to the Yankees, Mayo with Scherzer
I'd be ok Scherzer in the first. I'd be pissed with Huff in the first.
ICEBERG18
06-01-06, 02:44 PM
One scouting director told MiLB.com, though, that he didn't anticipate Willems going until the second or third round, though there are some mock drafts and projections that have him going late in the first round or during the supplemental round. The aforementioned director pointed to the lack of development in Willems' breaking ball as an issue that could keep him from going in the first round.
"He's a little raw with his overall pitchability, but he has a great arm," the scouting director said. "He's more of a projection guy, not with his fastball, but with his secondary stuff and control. I think they'll come, but he's further away than Kershaw."
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060601&content_id=1482848&vkey=draft2006&fext=.jsp (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060601&content_id=1482848&vkey=draft2006&fext=.jsp)
if we take a soft tossing control pitcher in the first, I'll puke.
Steph19
06-01-06, 03:32 PM
I'd be ok Scherzer in the first. I'd be pissed with Huff in the first.
Same here. I want a high upside pitcher.
albo4lyfe
06-01-06, 04:13 PM
BA is giving us Huff just to piss us off. I highly doubt we pick Huff, a soft-tossing, nothing more than a 4/5 starter potential. Yeah right.
Steph19
06-01-06, 04:23 PM
BA is giving us Huff just to piss us off. I highly doubt we pick Huff, a soft-tossing, nothing more than a 4/5 starter potential. Yeah right.
To be fair to Huff, some think he could be Barry Zito with a great change instead of the great curve. And he's probably a better bet to be a major league starter then most of the other guys.
I'd still rather have a higher upside pitcher, though.
Yankyfan
06-01-06, 04:57 PM
Picking Huff is a safe pick like drafting Walling a few years back.I'll pass and go for the higher cieling type like Hughes or Betences.I'd take Beato over Huff at this point.
albo4lyfe
06-01-06, 05:12 PM
To be fair to Huff, some think he could be Barry Zito with a great change instead of the great curve. And he's probably a better bet to be a major league starter then most of the other guys.
I'd still rather have a higher upside pitcher, though.
There should me much better choices at 21 than Huff, who I'm not high on at all. It would be a safe pick, and I firmly believe in taking the best player available which I'm sure won't be Huff.
Hidekifan57
06-01-06, 05:25 PM
I'd take Beato, Parmelee, and a couple other guys over Huff. Its crazy to pick a guy like Latos, Betances or MAYBE even Williems when at least 2 of those will be availab le at 41 or later. If we took Latos at 21 and Huff at 41, everyone would say "great job." Of course, it'll be the other way around and many will say "what a bad first rounder." It makes zero sense. In this draft class, taking Huff wouldn't be bad unless Parmelee, Beato or Antonelli are around.
I trust the Yankees' scouting department on this one. Whoever they're pick is in the first round in this weak of a class, I'll be comfortable with an hope for high ceiling guys in the following rounds.
Hidekifan57
06-01-06, 05:29 PM
There should me much better choices at 21 than Huff, who I'm not high on at all. It would be a safe pick, and I firmly believe in taking the best player available which I'm sure won't be Huff.
And how are you so sure who is better than Huff? In that case, no one would ever liked to have drafted Barry Zito using that logic.
I'm just trying to keep some open minds here because there's an excellent chance of Huff being the pick from what I'm hearing. If we get a ceiling guy with the 41st, that'd be completely fine with me.
ICEBERG18
06-01-06, 05:31 PM
Hidekifan57, what are you hearing about Kyler Burke?
albo4lyfe
06-01-06, 05:37 PM
And how are you so sure who is better than Huff? In that case, no one would ever liked to have drafted Barry Zito using that logic.
I'm just trying to keep some open minds here because there's an excellent chance of Huff being the pick from what I'm hearing. If we get a ceiling guy with the 41st, that'd be completely fine with me.
I'm not so sure, no one is. The draft is a crapshoot. But, I prefer the guys with the high ceilings and who project better than a 4/5 starter.
Steph19
06-01-06, 05:55 PM
John Sickels will be interviewing Baseball America's Jim Callis on his radio show tomorrow. The topic of discussion will be the draft and John is open to ideas of what to ask Callis.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/
I don't know if he's going to post the interview on the site or if it's just for radio but anyone is free to suggest questions for Sickels to ask.
38Special
06-01-06, 06:28 PM
And how are you so sure who is better than Huff? In that case, no one would ever liked to have drafted Barry Zito using that logic.
I'm just trying to keep some open minds here because there's an excellent chance of Huff being the pick from what I'm hearing. If we get a ceiling guy with the 41st, that'd be completely fine with me.
Barry Zito struck out 154 in 113 innings his junior year. Huff's strikeout rate is 7.34 per 9. His walk rate is nice but if he's not going to miss bats in college and he barely throws in the 90s, how good could that changeup really be? That seems like a big stretch comparing him to Zito.
Why not get two ceiling guys early? Or if you want a college guy then if anything go after Jared Hughes who at least throws a real good hard sinker?
Making a safe pick like this with one first round pick is something the Royals should be doing, not us.
ICEBERG18
06-01-06, 06:38 PM
Barry Zito struck out 154 in 113 innings his senior year. Huff's strikeout rate is 7.34 per 9. His walk rate is nice but if he's not going to miss bats in college and he barely throws in the 90s, how could could that changeup really be? That seems like a big stretch comparing him to Zito.
Why not get two ceiling guys early? Or if you want a college guy then why not go after Jared Hughes who at least throws a real good hard sinker?
Making a safe pick like this with one first round pick is something the Royals should be doing, not us.
Good points.
Hidekifan57
06-01-06, 07:33 PM
Obviously, there are reasons that Hughes is not ranked nearly as high on any draft boards as Huff is. Hughes would be an overdraft.
Every scout I have spoken too about Huff uses the Zito comparison so I'm gonna stick with that.
Also, as I've said on here before, I've been told that beyond Miller and maybe Kershaw/Jeffress, there are not frontline starters in the first round. So, if you're looking for an ace or even #2, you likely aren't gonna find it in the first round. The only guy I think could be that guy is Beato. Other than that, I say go position players or a safe pick until you go with ceiling and raw talent later.
As for Burke, very high ceiling player that a lot of scouts like even for the first round. No Yankees links to him but the Twins love him.
ICEBERG18
06-01-06, 07:44 PM
I want to see video of Kyler Burke's swing.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/burke_kyler_b_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/burke_kyler_b_350.wmv&pid=gen_video&vid=7796&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl)=
I like him a lot.
38Special
06-01-06, 07:50 PM
Every scout I have spoken too about Huff uses the Zito comparison so I'm gonna stick with that.
What is similar about Zito and Huff?
ICEBERG18
06-01-06, 07:53 PM
As for Burke, very high ceiling player that a lot of scouts like even for the first round. No Yankees links to him but the Twins love him.
That blows. I would be tempted to take him at #21
Hidekifan57
06-01-06, 08:33 PM
What is similar about Zito and Huff?
This is why I'm not a scout. I've only seen video of Huff and I'm not going to pretend to know why those comparisons are made. But, 6 different scouts have said this to me without me even bringing it up.
NJASDJDH
06-01-06, 08:57 PM
HR57, I'm not trying to shoot the messenger, but I would absolutely LOATHE if the Yankees picked Huff. I'm no scout at all, nor am I any kind of expert, but his stuff screams mediocrity and his results say the same. He has no redeeming qualities for me as a first round pick and if the Yankees get him, I'm going to be as upset as I was about Poterson over Gio.
Hidekifan57
06-01-06, 09:01 PM
Again, Huff is not my favorite at all and if the right guys are available, the Yankees won't take him. You all have good points on him. I'm just trying prepare myself for the scenario in which they do take him. ;)
Like you guys, I've got my fingers crossed for a prep player.
38Special
06-01-06, 09:09 PM
who are the right guys who would need to be available? You've obviously heard connections to Huff (as has Jonathan Mayo & Allan Simpson apparently), so who else is connected to the Yankees?
ICEBERG18
06-01-06, 09:18 PM
so who else is connected to the Yankees?
Hidekifan57's post #754 in this thread.
1. Anderson
2. Marrero
3. Parmelee
4. Antonelli
5. Huff
That's probably the Yankee's preference order from what I've been learning over the past week. They're not expecting a chance at Antonelli though. Marrero fits their mold nicely being the toolsy guy that he is. And they like lefty swings like Parmelee's.
I would replace Huff with Burke, but that's just me.
Hidekifan57
06-01-06, 09:33 PM
Yeah thats probably how it would set up barring unexpected drops. Beato might change things. I don't know if there's interest there. Same goes for Burke. Not sure of their interest.
Steph19
06-01-06, 09:39 PM
If that's the list, then I'm holding out hope for Brett Anderson.
No talk about Max Scherzer? It seems like Mayo had him going to us only because he didn't think anyone above us would take him but he doesn't think he'll drop further then 21 or so.
albo4lyfe
06-01-06, 09:52 PM
I don't see what the fascination with Huff is. An average, at best, fastball and a great change with average numbers in college don't excite me at all. I thought the Sox like taking soft-tossing lefties, let them take him.
sugmasterflex
06-01-06, 10:50 PM
I would overdraft Latos before I would draft Huff. Hidekifan, how much do you like Jeffres?
38Special
06-01-06, 11:13 PM
I'm not too impressed with Brett Anderson's video or what i've read. He sounds like a future David Huff :lol: ;)
ICEBERG18
06-01-06, 11:28 PM
I'm not too impressed with Brett Anderson's video or what i've read. He sounds like a future David Huff :lol: ;)
Im not as high on him as i once was either.
38Special
06-01-06, 11:42 PM
I sure like Parmalee and Marrero though.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
06-02-06, 12:35 AM
So I take it Rowell isn't expected to drop anymore? What about Cogner? Seems like a good bat weather he stays a catcher or not.
Steph19
06-02-06, 01:00 AM
I was browsing SoSH's Draft thread and found this post about David Huff that is pretty interesting...
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=3167&st=180
DAVE HUFF - LHP - UCLA
Game-By-Game Total Pitches Thrown:
105
99
119
117
114
124
114
128
110
131
121
130
123
121
Paging Dr. Andrews, Dr. James Andrews, please pick up the white courtesy phone...
I was browsing SoSH's Draft thread and found this post about David Huff that is pretty interesting...
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=3167&st=180
I think high pitch count in collage is pretty normal.
NYDCYankee
06-02-06, 02:44 AM
Mayo said the Yankees may take Colten Willems the other day on MLB radio.
NYDCYankee
06-02-06, 03:33 AM
Article about Mattingly Jr and Pena Jr.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/423003p-356998c.html
NYDCYankee
06-02-06, 03:47 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/01/AR2006060101968_pf.html
Jeffrey Maier article on the front page of the Washington Post.
Yankees1962
06-02-06, 06:25 AM
Article about Mattingly Jr and Pena Jr.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/423003p-356998c.html
I'm greedy I want both of them.
38Special
06-02-06, 07:41 AM
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5145
Scouting Director: Damon Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer joined the Padres as a scout after playing college baseball at Southern California and has been with the Yankees since 1994. Working out of the Tampa office, Oppenheimer was named farm director in 2001 and became scouting director in 2005. Prior to becoming scouting director, Oppenheimer was credited with the Yankees change in philosophy concerning international scouting that has led to some good depth at the lower levels, and his first draft was marked by the selection of C.J. Henry in the first round when The Boss refused to give Craig Hansen a big league deal. His signing of eighth-round pick Austin Jackson to an $800,000 deal may be setting a new precedent for the organization, which may begin to treat draft signability players in the same way they treat free agents. Oppenheimer is generally considered the heir apparent to Brian Cashman.
What The System Needs: Cue broken record. Catching and lefthanded pitching. While the team has some intriguing positional prospects at a number of positions, few project for plus power.
What They'll Do On Tuesday: The Yankees pick 21st (from the Phillies for Tom Gordon), and while some are pointing them towards a polished college arm who could get there quickly, don't rule out a high school player who could kill two birds with one stone, like switch-hitting catcher Hank Conger.
ICEBERG18
06-02-06, 07:54 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/story/422942p-356932c.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/story/422942p-356932c.html)
Article about Mattingly Jr and Pena Jr.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/423003p-356998c.html
My Wish List:D;) :
Jesus Montero
Francisco Pena
Danilo Alvarez
Dellin Betances
Preston Mattingly
and maybe that kid from Estonia :P :P :P :P
Can anyone tell me anything about lefty Danny Almonte?
Kulish29
06-02-06, 08:12 AM
Article about Mattingly Jr and Pena Jr.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/423003p-356998c.html
I hope they take a chance on Mattingly in one of the rounds. I'd hate to see him go to the Red Sox. :barf:
Kulish29
06-02-06, 08:13 AM
I'm greedy I want both of them.
Me too. And there's no reason we cant have both.
Is Jared Mitchell even going in the Draft at all?
http://www.aflacallamerican.com/images/players/hires/Mitchell_122.jpg
Whats the scouting report on Francisco Pena and Preston Mattingly? The only thing I've heard is that Pena might be capable of hitting 30 bombs as a catcher.
ICEBERG18
06-02-06, 08:53 AM
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5145
What They'll Do On Tuesday: The Yankees pick 21st (from the Phillies for Tom Gordon), and while some are pointing them towards a polished college arm who could get there quickly, don't rule out a high school player who could kill two birds with one stone, like switch-hitting catcher Hank Conger
I like Hank Conger, beautiful swing from the left side, very good swing from the right side and he also plays a premium position. The other factors are Montero & Pena. If the Yankees felt good about their chances in landing Pena & or Montero, would they pass on Conger?
38Special
06-02-06, 09:08 AM
http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/TeamFrame.mxp/California/Boys_Varsity_Baseball_Spring_05-06/AreaID-8e11e7d4-d3fa-4e6f-827f-652c29439d27/SchoolID-f60cf593-eddc-4900-b1c9-b6362f852856/Page-Stats
78 ABs - 7 doubles - 1 triple - 11 HRs - 13 BB - 14 K - .449/.527/.987
Sounds like his plate discipline isnt great at this point. Everything i've read about him sounds great though. Good catcher body, very strong arm, switch hitter with power potential
WebsterMulligan
06-02-06, 09:21 AM
I hope they take a chance on Mattingly in one of the rounds. I'd hate to see him go to the Red Sox. :barf:
I read that he signed a letter of intent, to attend the University of Tennessee, next fall. The article also indicted that if he was drafted anywhere until the tenth round, "he has to go pro".
What is the significance of being drafted in the first ten rounds, that would convince him to spurn college, as opposed to being drafted in round eleven?
Bonus money? Faster track to MLB?
38Special
06-02-06, 09:22 AM
bonus money + organization gives a crap about them. taylor mattingly was taken in the end rounds of the 03 draft but that was just a nepotism pick. he got little bonus, had less than 100 ABs in the GCL and was released
ICEBERG18
06-02-06, 09:22 AM
http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/TeamFrame.mxp/California/Boys_Varsity_Baseball_Spring_05-06/AreaID-8e11e7d4-d3fa-4e6f-827f-652c29439d27/SchoolID-f60cf593-eddc-4900-b1c9-b6362f852856/Page-Stats
78 ABs - 7 doubles - 1 triple - 11 HRs - 13 BB - 14 K - .449/.527/.987
Sounds like his plate discipline isnt great at this point. Everything i've read about him sounds great though. Good catcher body, very strong arm, switch hitter with power potential
Can you get Kyler Burke's #'s? Thanks. I know as of May 15 his numbers where 511-19-54 in 92 at-bats, but i can't find the K to BB ratio.
38Special
06-02-06, 09:33 AM
Can't track them down unfortunately. His HS site doesnt have extended stats
he finished his season .473 with 8 doubles, 6 triples, 20 HRs, 56 RBIs, and 6 SB\
http://hcschools.org/ohsowls/athletics/OoltewahBaseball/pictures/Kylerburkepic.jpg
Kyler Burke opened the season with a two-homer game, and the Ooltewah High School senior hasn't let up. It had been almost a decade since a Tennessee high school baseball player hit more than 20 home runs in a season. Burke got there last weekend, hitting one Saturday in the Owls' win over Knoxville Bearden.
The state single-season record is 24, set by Anthony Whitson of Unicoi County in 1987. The last player to hit 20 was Lookout Valley's Jeremy Reed in 1998. Reed had 22 that year and holds the career record with 58 homers from 1995-98
Burke's chances to break Whitson's record may be limited, however. "Given the last six or seven games, Kyler may not," Ooltewah coach Jon Massey said. "He hasn't really gotten anything to hit." Burke has hit first-pitch fastballs, curves and even changeups for homeruns. "He is big and strong, but he is a patient hitter," Massey said. "He understands the value of a walk, and he understands who's behind him."
Teams have tried pitching around the 6-foot-3, 210-pounder who bats third, but it's hard because of the trio behind him: Zack Woods, Tim Markum and Blake McDade. They have combined for 21 home runs and 91 RBIs. "Playing on a very talented team is huge," said Burke, whose major league draft prospects have soared. He already has a Vanderbilt scholarship in hand.
Burke has 95 official at-bats and has walked 40 times. He enters the District 6-AAA tournament hitting .526 with 56 RBIs, eight doubles, six triples and 54 runs. "Teams may walk me, but with Zack, Tim and Blake behind me I've had no pressure, because those guys are going to hit too," he said.
"Kyler has surprised me from a power aspect, "Massey said. "I knew he would hit for average, but to go from six or seven homers to 20 is a pretty good jump. Part of it is those around him, but a larger part of it is his hard work and his understanding the strike zone and how teams are trying to pitch to him."
"Kyler is a natural player, a clutch player," said Woods, who leads the team with 60 RBIs. "His mechanics are sound and he's something of a freak physically, but his success is also hard work. And people have had to pitch to him." One team intentionally walked Burke to load the bases. Woods, the Walters State-bound shortstop, followed with a grand slam.
"He has benefited from Zack and others, but it also helps having Hunter Hydas or Ryan Williams hitting in front of him, " Massey said. "People have to understand we have guys who can hammer." Seven Owls seniors have signed college baseball scholarships. Mcade is headed to MTSU, Markum to Calhoun Community College in AL, Hydas to Lee University and Jake Barnett to Tennessee Wesleyan. Pitcher John Howard will sign with Walters or with one of two Florida junior colleges, Okaloosa-Walton or Gulf Coast.
Burke shrugged when asked about the hours spent in the batting cages and with former Lookouts player and local batting instructor Tim Costo hitting off a tee or hitting soft toss. "I guess I found my swing," he said. "I try to be selective, get good pitches to hit, and remember that there is a fine line between being aggressive and too aggressive. But I never thought I'd hit 20 home runs."
Burke didn't pitch much until this season, but he's been successful at that, too. He's 5-1 with a 1.85 ERA and has 74 strikeouts. His fastball touches 92-93 mph and averages 89-90. He thinks that experience has helped his batting. "Pitching made a big difference. It made me think about the little things and hitting in certain situations," said Burke.
The pitching also has brought the attention from pro scouts, but Burke has been able to handle that. "It isn't about me hitting home runs or the pro scouts," he said. "One of my biggest concerns is that my teammates know I'm playing for the team and not for the scouts."
38Special
06-02-06, 09:36 AM
The one thing I worry about with Burke is signability. He's committed to Vanderbilt, which is notoriously tough
I like the idea of picking a guy like catcher Torre Langley in the 4th or 5th rounds and buying him out of college. He's a short guy, but he's an elite defender with good pop in his bat.
38Special
06-02-06, 09:44 AM
The more I read about Langley the more i love him
http://perfectgame.org/players/videos/05nata/TorreLangley.rm
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/usab/sports/m-jr-basebl/auto_headshot/239013.jpeg
http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewAmateurPlayerProfile.do?playerId=557&draftId=4
Langley's listed height is 5'8", but even that may be a generous figure. What Langley lacks in height he more than makes up with heart. He has a very fiery personality on the field, and a very personable one off. His defensive skills are what sets him apart from his peers, as he's very quick and active behind the plate. He also possesses a very strong and accurate throwing arm. At the plate he produces good bat speed and has some very good pop despite his smaller stature. He, along with fellow Aflac All-American Robbie Alcombrack, advanced to the finals of the Home Run Derby during last summer's Aflac activities. If teams underestimate his skills due to his height, he will take his game to Georgia Tech, which always proves to be a tough institution to pry recruits away from.
http://www.geocities.com/beesball/recruits0607.html
Danny Hall on Langley: "Pound-for-pound, Torre Langley may be the best baseball player in the country. He is an excellent catcher and he has one of the best throwing arms that I have seen. His brother (Dustin) was a college baseball player at Georgia Southern. I feel like he's an excellent baseball player, and an excellent catcher. He is the kind of guy that could play a lot of different positions on the field because he is a very good athlete and a great competitor."
Allan Matthews of Baseball America notes: "Though just 5-foot-8, Torre Langley has the makings of becoming a Gold Glove-caliber catcher. He delivers strikes to second base in less than 2.0 seconds and, while his receiving has room for improvement, he is agile and athletic, has good hands and blocks well."
His final stats: http://web.douglas.k12.ga.us/web/schools/ahs/Baseball/06seas.htm
.633/.690/1.430 - 14 doubles - 2 triples - 15 homers - 18 walks - 2 strikeouts
ICEBERG18
06-02-06, 10:56 AM
Can't track them down unfortunately. His HS site doesnt have extended stats
he finished his season .473 with 8 doubles, 6 triples, 20 HRs, 56 RBIs, and 6 SB\
http://hcschools.org/ohsowls/athletics/OoltewahBaseball/pictures/Kylerburkepic.jpg
I like him even more now after reading that article.
According to reports on a local Boston tv station, the Red Sox will get two draft picks from the Yankees for signing Johhny Damon .
"The Red Sox may get two good players in return for Johnny Damon after all.
When their former center fielder signed with the Yankees as a free agent, New York had to send two choices as compensation "
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO20448/
I don't think they offered him arbitration.
BennyTheJetRodriguez
06-02-06, 11:43 AM
http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/TeamFrame.mxp/California/Boys_Varsity_Baseball_Spring_05-06/AreaID-8e11e7d4-d3fa-4e6f-827f-652c29439d27/SchoolID-f60cf593-eddc-4900-b1c9-b6362f852856/Page-Stats
78 ABs - 7 doubles - 1 triple - 11 HRs - 13 BB - 14 K - .449/.527/.987
Sounds like his plate discipline isnt great at this point. Everything i've read about him sounds great though. Good catcher body, very strong arm, switch hitter with power potentialNot that I know anything about his plate dicipline, but I know if I were capable of slugging close to 1.000 I wouldn't let myself be walked either. The real test for that will be pro ball.
38Special
06-02-06, 11:51 AM
striking out in nearly 20% of your ABs while in high school isnt a good sign
38Special
06-02-06, 11:52 AM
According to reports on a local Boston tv station, the Red Sox will get two draft picks from the Yankees for signing Johhny Damon .
"The Red Sox may get two good players in return for Johnny Damon after all.
When their former center fielder signed with the Yankees as a free agent, New York had to send two choices as compensation "
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO20448/
That isn't news. Boston gets a supplemental pick and they get our #27 or 28 pick (whatever it was)
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