View Full Version : AL Playoff Outfielder Tests Positive for Steroids
Soriambi
11-02-05, 04:58 PM
It sounds like the Yankees knew and showed him the door.
I don't know that the fact that he didn't make the post-season roster is necessarily an indication that the Yankees knew about this at the time. He did have a .125 BA and an OPS of .513 as a Yankee. I think that that's the reason that he didn't make the ALDS roster as much as anything. It was a small sample size, granted, with under 50 AB, but he seemed to be in a big slump, and I think that's probably the reason he didn't make the playoffs. Of course, they might have known, but I don't think his not making the PS roster is a smokig gun of that by any means, given his performance as a Yankee.
Mr. Mxylsplk
11-02-05, 05:01 PM
I don't know that the fact that he didn't make the post-season roster is necessarily an indication that the Yankees knew about this at the time. He did have a .125 BA and an OPS of .513 as a Yankee. I think that that's the reason that he didn't make the ALDS roster as much as anything.
Agreed. If the yanks knew, they'd have kept him off the roster. But if they didn't know, they'd still likely have kept him off. After all, was anyone complaining that the team made a mistake leaving him off? It was simply a logical roster move.
marietta_soxfan
11-02-05, 05:03 PM
It has been confirmed. It is on espn news. Least it was a Yankee and not Red Sox. We don't need anymore bad news. lol
Soriambi
11-02-05, 05:05 PM
For what it's worth, I'm not dissapointed at all if the player in question here is Lawton, nor do I think it's lame. I'm happy that it's not a superstar, as a superstar being exposed would mean more bad publicity for baseball. I think that if a superstar was using steroids, they should be exposed, but I'm not happy or excited when they are exposed, because of the bad publicity it gives the sport, and I'm not dissapointed when an exposed player isn't a superstar.
StaceyRosie
11-02-05, 05:13 PM
For what it's worth, I'm not disappointed at all if the player in question here is Lawton, nor do I think it's lame. I'm happy that it's not a superstar, as a superstar being exposed would mean more bad publicity for baseball. I think that if a superstar was using steroids, they should be exposed, but I'm not happy or excited when they are exposed, because of the bad publicity it gives the sport, and I'm not dissapointed when an exposed player isn't a superstar.
I think all of the non superstars who have been caught are just proving that steroids DO NOT make you a better player.
YankeePride1967
11-02-05, 05:16 PM
First Alex Sanchez, then Felix Heredia, now Matt Lawton. Well the message is now abundantly clear. Don't do steroids, look what happens when you do!
Soriambi
11-02-05, 05:22 PM
I think all of the non superstars who have been caught are just proving that steroids DO NOT make you a better player.
Well, they might make you a better player, but they don't always make you a superstar. (What I mean by that is if there's a fringe player who's barely in the majors, he might not be in the majors if it wasn't for steroids, but it hasn't made him great, or even good. Likewise, in the case of someone like Bonds, steroids might improve you from the level of superstar to one of the All-Time greats, and they might be able to make a player who is great a superstar, and so on.)
I think that some people (not saying that there are a lot here, but just in general) have the impression that Pee Wee Herman could take steroids and hit 40 homers and hit .300, but if you don't have the hand-eye coordination and natural talent to be an excellent baseball player, it doesn't matter if you're a living, breathing, walking syringe-you're not going to be a good player if you don't have those things. I know what you're saying, but I'd stop just before saying that they don't help a player improve at all. It's just not as much as most people think, in my opinion.
yankeebot
11-02-05, 05:34 PM
I think all of the non superstars who have been caught are just proving that steroids DO NOT make you a better player.A lot of the steroid use is for quicker injury recovery. I believe Lawton had a shoulder injury earlier this year. Taking steroids can be a way to avoid the DL.
I have read alot about the psychological advantages a player has when he is on steroids, how true it is I dont know but its interesting nonetheless.
someone we care about is Lawton?
lol
That's what I was thinking when I found out. What a freakin' tool whoever said "oh it's going to be someone that everyone will care about". Matt Lawton??? Give me a break.
Huktonfonix
11-02-05, 07:48 PM
Like I said in the other thread, I don't think Carroll was talking about Lawton. The initial rumor said the case was in the appeals process, and Lawton didn't appeal his test. It has to be someone else (if it's true).
Soriambi
11-02-05, 07:55 PM
Like I said in the other thread, I don't think Carroll was talking about Lawton. The initial rumor said the case was in the appeals process, and Lawton didn't appeal his test. It has to be someone else (if it's true).
Where did you hear that Lawton didn't appeal his test? The thread in ITL about this incident said:
We’ve been hearing the same thing from several different, reliable people today, so, since this is what we do, we decided it was time to print it. Multiple sources tell Deadspin that Yankees outfielder Matt Lawton has tested positive for steroids and is currently entrenched in the appeals process, with Major League Baseball keeping the whole thing quiet until the process is done and some of the dust has settled.
Is there a conflicting report?
RhodeyYankee2638
11-02-05, 07:57 PM
We will probably never find out if an AL outfielder tested positive for roids, or steroids at that
Huktonfonix
11-02-05, 08:43 PM
Where did you hear that Lawton didn't appeal his test? The thread in ITL about this incident said:
We’ve been hearing the same thing from several different, reliable people today, so, since this is what we do, we decided it was time to print it. Multiple sources tell Deadspin that Yankees outfielder Matt Lawton has tested positive for steroids and is currently entrenched in the appeals process, with Major League Baseball keeping the whole thing quiet until the process is done and some of the dust has settled.
Is there a conflicting report?
The newsday article from the same thread said he did not appeal.
DaSwing
11-02-05, 11:49 PM
Anyone who has ever spent an hour in a college gym knows that it is perfectly possible to have a beer belly and still be totally jacked. Damon is a pretty big guy.
The commercial: http://www.puma.com/lp/200504121402/pindex.jsp
Oh. Case closed then. He looks like a guy in a college gym.
Btw - I don't see the slightest 'jacked' thing about him in that commercial. He's shaved, soaked in tanning cream, and covered in oil. Jeter is more jacked than Damon.
*edit* Oops missed the news. LAWTON!!!
Dooley Womack
11-03-05, 01:33 AM
He's shaved, soaked in tanning cream, and covered in oil.
Not that you really noticed, huh? ;) DaSchwiiiiing
LuckyLopez
11-03-05, 10:57 AM
Well, they might make you a better player, but they don't always make you a superstar. (What I mean by that is if there's a fringe player who's barely in the majors, he might not be in the majors if it wasn't for steroids, but it hasn't made him great, or even good. Likewise, in the case of someone like Bonds, steroids might improve you from the level of superstar to one of the All-Time greats, and they might be able to make a player who is great a superstar, and so on.)
I think that some people (not saying that there are a lot here, but just in general) have the impression that Pee Wee Herman could take steroids and hit 40 homers and hit .300, but if you don't have the hand-eye coordination and natural talent to be an excellent baseball player, it doesn't matter if you're a living, breathing, walking syringe-you're not going to be a good player if you don't have those things. I know what you're saying, but I'd stop just before saying that they don't help a player improve at all. It's just not as much as most people think, in my opinion.
I agree completely with you, but I think it goes a bit further as well. Its not just about the level of help steroids provide but the type of help. People think "Steroids=Power & HRs" but the people being outed aren't backing that up. But people don't think "Steroids=Speed" or "Steroids=quicker recovery time." The key problem seems to be that the majority of people think in absolutes or direct results from actions. So one vague term like "steroids" resulting in one specific result like "power" makes sense to us but it doesn't really work when we take into consideration the variety of steroids, the different types of usage, the different methods, the intentions, and the varrying results. Noone stops to wonder of the steroid user cycles on and off every offseason when he's training and getting back into playing shape or whether he used it to recover from a debilitating injury when his body wasn't responding to rehab or if he just uses it regularly in his workout regimes.
I had REALLY hoped for the sort of results we've gotten. Lots of varrying players caught who aren't what people typically connect to steroids. Speedsters, marginal players, pitchers, people of varying skillsets and ability. Because I had hoped that this would reveal to people that everyone who uses steroids doesn't have to look like Jason Giambi or Jose Canseco. Problem is that there are a lot of people who now seem to just be doing a 180 and rather than thinking that there is no real niche to toss steroid users into they've created a new one. Now its the idea that players like Giambi, Bonds, and Canseco didn't need the drugs and that they were what they were. Because bad (comparatively), marginal, and average players are being revealed as users some people seem to now be thinking that there simply isn't a tangible result in terms of making a player better. But as you said, the obvious flaw in that line of thinking is that you don't know where the initial talent level started at. It would be a horribly flawed way to think of steroids as thinking they had ANY sort of set amount of results on a person but if we wanted to it would be more apt to think of it as a percentange rather than a bar. So rather than "steroids turn you into a superstar" its "steroids increase your ability X amount." Or rather than "steroids turn you into a 30 - 40 HR hitter" its "steroids increase your HR total by X amount." Of course that line of thinking is flawed too because it presumes that (a) there's a set result for all steroid use and users and (b) there's a guarantee of any result.
NYYBombshell
11-03-05, 12:17 PM
Not that you really noticed, huh? ;) DaSchwiiiiing
I didn't even notice that he came back.
Hitman23
11-03-05, 12:22 PM
I'm hoping Manny Ramirez or Trot Nixon.I'm hoping it's not. I don't mind these second or third tier players getting caught. but a huge name would be a big blow to the sport. I'd like to think guys like Manny, Sheffield, Vlad and anyone else who is under the microscope are as good as they are, clean.
As a baseball fan, that's how I feel.
SoCal Pinstriper
11-03-05, 12:35 PM
I'm hoping it's not. I don't mind these second or third tier players getting caught. but a huge name would be a big blow to the sport. I'd like to think guys like Manny, Sheffield, Vlad and anyone else who is under the microscope are as good as they are, clean.
As a baseball fan, that's how I feel.I think that the risk/reward makes sense to quite a few marginal players. After watching the way Palmiero was treated I cannot imagine a star feeling as though the career damage is worth the risk at this point.
Hitman23
11-03-05, 01:04 PM
I think that the risk/reward makes sense to quite a few marginal players. After watching the way Palmiero was treated I cannot imagine a star feeling as though the career damage is worth the risk at this point.Agreed. It's not even the suspensions that matter anymore. It's the court of public opinion. As you said, we saw that with Palmiero. This is why Congress should get out now. Mission accomplished.
On a personal note, I really have no issue with performance enhancing drugs. I only feel the way I do about the big named players being accused because I just don't want to see another blow to a sport I love. it's getting to be a yearly thing.
SoCal Pinstriper
11-03-05, 01:22 PM
On a personal note, I really have no issue with performance enhancing drugs. I only feel the way I do about the big named players being accused because I just don't want to see another blow to a sport I love. it's getting to be a yearly thing.We are in complete agreement. My only problem with PEDs is that so many other people are worked up over them that it hurts the sport. I've been through all the arguments, and I'm still not really bothered by them.
Snatch Catch
11-03-05, 04:01 PM
I have read alot about the psychological advantages a player has when he is on steroids, how true it is I dont know but its interesting nonetheless.
Many of us have been saying all along:
Confidence and Stamina are the two major benefits of PED usage.
Cambridge
11-04-05, 02:16 PM
This recent interview about the steroid issue in MLB may be of interest:
http://www.redsoxnation.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=18739
Archer1979
11-04-05, 02:24 PM
This recent interview about the steroid issue in MLB may be of interest:
http://www.redsoxnation.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=18739
Nice job, Cambridge. :clap:
Mr. Mxylsplk
11-04-05, 04:18 PM
Nice job, Cambridge. :clap:
Ditto, thanks for linking.
I've been out of the loop. Is Matt Lawton the guy this thread's about or has the big announcement not been made yet?
apolansk
11-18-05, 04:36 PM
So definitely Lawton?
Evil Empire
11-18-05, 04:41 PM
Well he apologized for it, so I assume it was definitley him.
He was also suspended, so again, I'm sure it was him.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2211753
Mr. Mxylsplk
11-18-05, 04:44 PM
I've been out of the loop. Is Matt Lawton the guy this thread's about or has the big announcement not been made yet?
I don't think we know. I'm not aware of Carroll ever confirming or denying that Lawton was who he was talking about.
RedGlare
11-19-05, 02:04 PM
what would we do without Sheff for 50 games?
Mr. Mxylsplk
11-19-05, 04:51 PM
what would we do without Sheff for 50 games?
Be .500. At best. If our outfield was Matsui, Crosby and Sheff to begin with, be under .500 by more than a little. No more clear and cream for Sheff.
YankeeFan1
11-19-05, 06:32 PM
Now the federal prosecutors are after the results of the 2003 steriod results. Why? Goodness knows. What do they care? They can't do anything about any positive tests, other than embarrass the players who tested positive. I'm so sick of the federal government hammering baseball about steroids while the NFL gets a pass. Enough already.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5099178
YankeeFan1
11-19-05, 06:34 PM
what would we do without Sheff for 50 games? This has been my biggest problem with this new steroid policy. All the people thrilled with these tough penalties. Can you imagine if a productive Yankee player has one positive test? How do you replace that player for that long period of time? That is just insane.
Bosox Guy in Chitown
11-19-05, 07:11 PM
This has been my biggest problem with this new steroid policy. All the people thrilled with these tough penalties. Can you imagine if a productive Yankee player has one positive test? How do you replace that player for that long period of time? That is just insane.
I don't care what team a player represents (Yanks/Sox/D-Rays/etc), if he tests positive he brought it upon himself. The player, not the leauge, decided to put himself before his team.
Grape Ape
11-20-05, 08:31 AM
Be .500. At best. If our outfield was Matsui, Crosby and Sheff to begin with, be under .500 by more than a little. No more clear and cream for Sheff.
I don't think Sheff is the difference between our team being a .500 ballclub, and a division leader. It would have an impact, yes, but not by that margin.
NYYBombshell
11-20-05, 01:30 PM
This has been my biggest problem with this new steroid policy. All the people thrilled with these tough penalties. Can you imagine if a productive Yankee player has one positive test? How do you replace that player for that long period of time? That is just insane.
I don't give a damn. If any player, whether he play for the Yankees or the Royals, takes steroids and is caught, they've brought that punishment on themselves. They know their role on the team and they know what will happen if they're caught. If they want to be stupid enough to use them even after the stiffer penalties have been instituted, that's their problem, not ours as fans.
Huktonfonix
11-20-05, 06:29 PM
The only protection I'd like to see for teams is that the suspensions be without pay.
ryanthe13th
11-20-05, 06:29 PM
The grim reality of steroids in baseball is that we're going to hear reports like these all the time now. I'm not entirely sold on this story because of the 'BIG NAME PLAYER' that tested positive last year after Palmerio and everyone was pointing to Giambi. Hopefully this is BS.
RedGlare
11-20-05, 09:26 PM
Bump
Is this "story" even a story? Zero of the major sports press camps have said anything about this.
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