View Full Version : If not Ryan,would Guardado fit the Yankees?
TheScooter
10-27-05, 05:00 AM
Now the WS is over,the hot stove will kick in :D
The Mariners are expected to decline their 2006 option on Eddie Guardado, enabling the team's closer to file for free agency, according to a source with direct knowledge of the negotiations.
Guardado could still re-sign with Seattle after that, but that appears unlikely. The club would have no control over his rights if it declines the option -- which could happen as soon as the World Series ends.
The Mariners have told Guardado and his agent, Kevin Kohler, they want him to return -- but not at the value of the club's $6.25 million option. They have asked him to pick up his $4.25 million player option instead, with a guarantee of some incentives, bringing the value closer to $4.5 million.
But Guardado's camp believes he is healthy, and would earn more than $4.5 million on the open market. So, he is likely to file for free agency, rather than pick up the option.
The difference, the source explained, is in how much the sides believe Guardado is worth. Yet, the gap in those figures might be smaller than the apparent $1.75 million. If Guardado closes for Seattle again next season, with similar statistics, he would likely earn incentive clauses up to $5.5 million.
In that case, the parties would be only $750,000 apart. Still, that might be enough to result in Guardado's departure. The Mariners have one week from the end of the World Series to make a formal decision on their option. Guardado has one week after that
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/246119_seriesbar27.html
Would Guardado be an option for the Yankees if they fail to land B.J. Ryan?Would Guardado be willing to set up for the Great Mariano Rivera at a closers salary?
TheWarrior21
10-27-05, 05:40 AM
He is a little old for my taste, and IMO not worth paying closer money to set up.
jimmyclark
10-27-05, 05:43 AM
Would Guardado fit into a team's fallback plan as closer if they don't sign Billy Wagner (Mets or Phillies)?
TheScooter
10-27-05, 05:51 AM
Would Guardado fit into a team's fallback plan as closer if they don't sign Billy Wagner (Mets or Phillies)?
Billy Wagner wants to close.Ryan has indicated an affinity for the Yankees and has a relationship with probable Yankee pitching coach and fellow Louisianain Ron Guidry.Ryan hasn't been a closer his entire career like Wagner has
CuzzinDave
10-27-05, 06:02 AM
I have a bad feeling about Guardado. I like his durability, but he is inconsistant at times and has pitched in mostly low pressure environments. I'm not sure he'd respond well here. In Minnesota there was always a chance to win for a few years, but never the big pressure that they HAD to win.
Seattle fell off the wagon for a few years and Guardado hasn't pitched in a big game scenario in a long time.
TheScooter
10-27-05, 06:26 AM
According to published reports out of Baltimore, B.J. Ryan will seriously consider remaining with the Orioles, who have a 15-day exclusive window after the World Series to re-sign their closer.
However, Ryan is expected to test free agency, where the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets should be active pursuers. Ryan said last month that he would consider being a setup man in the right situation, and spoke enthusiastically about the "great atmosphere'' of playing in New York
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTImZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY4MDA1MjUmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2
surge511
10-27-05, 06:58 AM
I have absolutely no trust in Eddie Guardado. If we are going to fix a hole, let's do it right - bring in BJ Ryan, who will be one of the best setup men in baseball, and can close after Mo retires. It is the perfect fit.
Babe Rules
10-27-05, 07:06 AM
What do you think he would cost?
I want Ryan. He would be a perfect fit for the Yanks.
Babe Rules
10-27-05, 07:34 AM
I'd like Ryan + Rincon.
Martini6196
10-27-05, 07:34 AM
We need BJ Ryan on this team next year. I would love to keep Gordon too.
DontHateOnNumber2
10-27-05, 07:51 AM
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTImZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY4MDA1MjUmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2
At least Ryan is entertaining the possibility of being the Yankees setup man and would like to experience New York's atmosphere. I wouldn't be confident with Guardado and a two run lead, let alone being setup. Ryan has proved his abilities as closer and on top of that he's an effective lefty reliever.
NYDCYankee
10-27-05, 07:55 AM
Maybe Guardado will come cheap due to his health issues. Why not add Ryan and Guardado (I don't know how many picks that would cost though.)
nycdoc999
10-27-05, 07:59 AM
Guardado WILL NOT come cheaply! The article says he and his camp believe he's healthy, and want more that the $4.25M option the team wants him to pick up....
I think it will take that kind of money to sign BJ Ryan too - something like 3y $15M with a team option for the 4th year. That way he could set up for 2y, Mo would retire, and he'd get to close for a year and we'd see how he handled closing.
For the same money, it's no contest - BJ Ryan is 29 years old and coming in to his prime. Guardado is on the downside of his career and coming off an injury....
RhodyYanksFan
10-27-05, 08:02 AM
Maybe Guardado will come cheap due to his health issues. Why not add Ryan and Guardado (I don't know how many picks that would cost though.)
He's playing hardball with the Mariners. What on Earth makes you think he'd come to NY cheap?
Babe Rules
10-27-05, 08:07 AM
Maybe Guardado will come cheap due to his health issues. Why not add Ryan and Guardado (I don't know how many picks that would cost though.)
Guardado 0 picks but prospects. Ryan probably 2 top picks.
38Special
10-27-05, 08:48 AM
I dont want Guardado. He's always survived on average stuff, and he has serious durability issues. It's like a worse version of Gordon.
nyg02005
10-27-05, 09:01 AM
Ray King wants out of st louis and Damaso Marte maybe traded.
nj-monarch
10-27-05, 09:14 AM
I think it's unlikely that either Eddie or Ryan would come here. If he's insisting on more than $4.25M from Seattle, than just say no. Besides, the last time we signed a reliever that was billed as an everyday workhorse, he was for about half a season and hasn't been the same since (Quantrill) I think the bullpen needs to get deeper and get younger.
As much as I would love to see Ryan in pinstripes, I think the lure of closing will draw him somewhere else.
surge511
10-27-05, 09:20 AM
I want hard, intimidating fireballers coming out of our pen - make it better than ever.
Big Mo
BJ Ryan
Kyle Farnsworth
Tanyon Sturtze
All of those guys throw in the high 90's. That would be an absolutely killer bullpen. Add Small as the long relief/change-it-up pitcher, and Matt Smith as the lefty specialist, and we have ourselves a bullpen.
Then, think about the future:
Ryan closing, Farnsworth setting up, and JB Cox coming out of the minors as a set-up guy too. If this bullpen actually happens, we could be set for years, barring major injuries, or Quantrill syndrome, which is always very possible with relievers, but let's not think about that.
38Special
10-27-05, 09:22 AM
Farnsworth will make us wish we had Gordon and his cool and calm in those tough situations
surge511
10-27-05, 09:24 AM
Farnsworth will make us wish we had Gordon and his cool and calm in those tough situations
Really? I know he has some head issues at times, but I still thought he did a pretty good job overall for Detroit and Atlanta this year. Plus, he's only 29 years old, much room to improve. But if that's the case, maybe we should resign Gordon for a couple of years, until JB Cox is ready to take over for him.
We need BJ Ryan on this team next year. I would love to keep Gordon too.
i don't want tom gordon anywhere near this team. what of his 7.79 career postseason ERA in 17 1/3 IP do you find attractive? he's a ten cent head who's proven his entire career he cannot handle postseason pressure. screw him. sign ryan and build a pen from within.
i don't want tom gordon anywhere near this team. what of his 7.79 career postseason ERA in 17 1/3 IP do you find attractive? he's a ten cent head who's proven his entire career he cannot handle postseason pressure. screw him. sign ryan and build a pen from within.
I agree about the building from within and signing Ryan but Gordon has been very valuable to Yankees the past two years. He's been lights out in the regular season and has taken alot of work off Mo. Can you imagine what Torre would've done to Mo if we didn't have a great setup man like Gordon?
parkerstrong
10-27-05, 09:55 AM
Guardado 0 picks but prospects. Ryan probably 2 top picks.
If the Yankees sign Guardado as a free agent, it doesnt cost them a thing in prospects. The Yankees would only give up a first round pick for Ryan. Baltimore would also get a supplemental pick between the 1st and second round. The end result is Yankees lose first round pick and receive Ryan.
Guardado isnt coming for less than 5.5 million, since the Mariners are basically offering that much. Guardado isnt as good as Ryan, so no thanks.
Ryan is doing what any marquee free agent should....tell the press how much he likes New York and wouldnt mind being a set-up guy there. It increases his bargaining power with Baltimore and any other team if the Yankees are involved. I would love Ryan, but he isnt a Yankee just yet.
Crusadecat
10-27-05, 10:05 AM
Besides Re signing Matsui , getting Ryan has to be the Yankees number 1 priority.
Babe Rules
10-27-05, 10:13 AM
Besides Re signing Matsui , getting Ryan has to be the Yankees number 1 priority.
A CF should be the number 1 priority.
TheBamTino24
10-27-05, 10:20 AM
One thing we have to consider is that we cannot just stockpile veterans in the bullpen because they will not get consistent work. I'm all for signing Ryan to setup Rivera. Now, if you also want to bring back Gordon it may work in 2006 because Gordon will not be extended the way he has been and maybe, given his age and arm, will not clamour for those constant appearances like someone younger would. His innings will decline (closer # of innings at most, which is still less than setup) as will Torre getting up warmed up every night with a 6 run lead.
I wouldn't resign Gordon to be Rivera's primary setup. You could have Gordon and Sturtze with Ryan behind them.
I agree about the building from within and signing Ryan but Gordon has been very valuable to Yankees the past two years. He's been lights out in the regular season and has taken alot of work off Mo. Can you imagine what Torre would've done to Mo if we didn't have a great setup man like Gordon?
so he's been valuable (in the regular season).
please though. SCREW LOYALTY. he's done a decent job in the regular season, been paid very handsomely, and is now owed nothing.
ryan is hoss-grade. get that guy in here - i was at the game last may/june at camden yards where he K'd matsui to win the game. gun read 101.
Martini6196
10-27-05, 02:02 PM
I agree about the building from within and signing Ryan but Gordon has been very valuable to Yankees the past two years. He's been lights out in the regular season and has taken alot of work off Mo. Can you imagine what Torre would've done to Mo if we didn't have a great setup man like Gordon?
I think Gordon choked in the playoffs not because he isn't good in the postseason but moreso because of Torre overusing him. If the Yankees keep him and sign Ryan that will be the best 7-8-9 combo in baseball. It will also mean Gordon won't pitch as much.
I think we need to make a hard push for BJ Ryan, Kyle Farnsworth, Eddie Guardado, Tom Gordon as well as relievers like Bob Howry, Scott Eyre, Rudy Seanez, Ricardo Rincon, Joey Eischen and Julian Tavarez.
The fact is that we need get at least 3 of the guys I named in order to have a strong bullpen. I simply cannot stomach another season of Embree, Franklin, Stanton, Groom, Quantrill, F-Rod and Karsay.
Combining 3 of those relievers with Mo, Sturtze and one of Proctor, Bean and Smith will give us hope for a decent bridge in 2006.
gamesix1977
10-27-05, 02:27 PM
Will Ramiro Mendoza be healthy next year (or ever)? Could throw him in the mix too.
so he's been valuable (in the regular season).
please though. SCREW LOYALTY. he's done a decent job in the regular season, been paid very handsomely, and is now owed nothing.
ryan is hoss-grade. get that guy in here - i was at the game last may/june at camden yards where he K'd matsui to win the game. gun read 101.
I think Gordon's best days are behind him, he's 38, and he has been overused the past 2 years. I fear arm troubles await for the team that signs him. I would rather get the 2 draft picks for him.
bostonyankeefan
10-27-05, 02:42 PM
Will Ramiro Mendoza be healthy next year (or ever)? Could throw him in the mix too.
Mendoza needs to go the way of Embree, Womack, Quantrill, etc.: bye bye
I don't know anything about Guardado, but I would be hesitant to take someone from Seattle who is looking for a lot of $$$.
I would rather take a look at Timlin. He might come on the cheap, has big game experience and still throws a hard sinker.
I'd like Ryan + Rincon.
Same here. Rincon is a good loogy.
I think Gordon choked in the playoffs not because he isn't good in the postseason but moreso because of Torre overusing him. If the Yankees keep him and sign Ryan that will be the best 7-8-9 combo in baseball. It will also mean Gordon won't pitch as much.
What about all those other times he choked in the post season? Was he always overworked?
CommerceComet
10-27-05, 03:48 PM
Now that Mazzone is on board, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Ryan back with Baltimore.
I doubt we sign both BJ Ryan AND Tom Gordon.
Tom Gordon has already shown interest in testing the market as a closer.
If we have to pay ANYONE right now on the market, closer money, to be a setup man...you'd be crazy to choose Gordon over Ryan.
I'd have no problems with Ryan, Farnsworth, Myers, and Hawkins added. Blow up the whole bullpen.
Guardado would be a good fit in the pen. He isn't an everyday pitcher anymore, but I will take as many solid arms as I can find. But, it depends on his asking price. I don't see why the Yankees wouldn't make a run at BJ Ryan and him. Still, I get the sinking feeling that Ryan is using the Yankees to bid up his price.
BroadwayBomber55
10-27-05, 04:37 PM
I like having BJ Ryan and Scott Eyre in Yankee pinstripes over Everyday Eddie. Eddie wants to close and only close.
People.....Kyle Farnsworth is as bad (worse, in fact) in pressure spots as Gordon. He's been absolutely tattooed in his brief postseason career, and nobody until the Braves ever though he could close. I don't want him- I think he'd fail in NY.
I'd take Guardado, but certainly not at those figures. He'd be worth 2 years, $4 million to me. That's out, so no dice.
Ryan...of course. If they signed Ryan, they'd simply need another competent middle guy and the pen would be in ok shape. Think Paul Quantrill before he came to the Yanks.
Evil Empire
10-27-05, 06:01 PM
Get em both I say.
I know it's not a main reason to sign someone, but I think if Farnsworth was sitting out there in the pen filing his nails a lot fewer balls would be popping up and in on Jeter.
so he's been valuable (in the regular season).
please though. SCREW LOYALTY. he's done a decent job in the regular season, been paid very handsomely, and is now owed nothing.
ryan is hoss-grade. get that guy in here - i was at the game last may/june at camden yards where he K'd matsui to win the game. gun read 101.
I'm not talking about loyalty, I'm talking about if you can keep one of the best setup men in the majors for cheap then why not?
Really? I know he has some head issues at times, but I still thought he did a pretty good job overall for Detroit and Atlanta this year. Plus, he's only 29 years old, much room to improve. But if that's the case, maybe we should resign Gordon for a couple of years, until JB Cox is ready to take over for him.
Let's wait and see how bad the Braves want him back, that will tell us how good they really think he is. Gordon NO NO NO.
TheScooter
11-02-05, 01:56 PM
On Wednesday, the Mariners exercised their club option on the 35-year-old Guardado for the 2006 season.
"We are very pleased to have Eddie back for the 2006 season," Mariners general manager Bill Bavasi said. "Our number one priority is to return this franchise to its winning ways as quickly as possible. With that goal in mind, we felt we needed to take the appropriate time to investigate every possibility to make our club better. We have done that, and now it is only more clear that the best fit for our team and our goals is having Eddie back"
http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/news_story.asp?id=141723
George Steinbrenner
11-02-05, 05:13 PM
i dont want him. Every time I saw him in both Minny and Seattle he COUGH COUGH CHOKED.
surge511
11-02-05, 06:02 PM
Guardado is one of the least clutch relievers in baseball, I don't want him on the team. It doesn't matter much now, though, because the Mariners just picked up his option.
yankeesAZ
11-03-05, 01:36 AM
http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/news_story.asp?id=141723
Case closed. Eddie is better fit with the M's anyway. There's not as much pressure, when blowing a save will merely add just another in a long line of losses for the M's. Besides the M's need pitching anyway, so losing their closer is not exactly a way to improve their situation.
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