View Full Version : Damon Vs. Hunter
NewEraYanks2527
10-21-05, 11:31 PM
Okay so all I hear these days is "The Yankees are going to give up Robinson Cano for Torii Hunter". So I propose my question to all the board members, what would you rather see happen, Johnny Damon sign with the Yankees (obviously it will be a big money, too many year deal if he does) or would you rather see the Yankees pursue a trade for Hunter or Pierre which most likely will involve Cano. Now I'm saying if you have to pick between THESE TWO options.
Option A: Sign Johnny Damon
Option B: Trade Robinson Cano for Torii Hunter
Personally if it comes down to these two options, I would rather sign Damon because I think Cano has a great career ahead of him and trading Cano for Hunter hurts our lineup though it improves our defense tremendously. I think with Damon in the lineup as opposed to Cano out of it is a much better path to take. Now dont think I am in the "Sign Johnny Damon" camp because I would love to see the Yankees get a guy like Wilkerson or some solid CFer via trade to play center. However knowing George and his quest for names and declining players who have been our advesaries, I have a feeling it might come down to these two options. Again give, the choice between the two I take Damon. What does everyone else think and why?
MNbomberfan12
10-21-05, 11:36 PM
Okay so all I hear these days is "The Yankees are going to give up Robinson Cano for Torii Hunter". So I propose my question to all the board members, what would you rather see happen, Johnny Damon sign with the Yankees (obviously it will be a big money, too many year deal if he does) or would you rather see the Yankees pursue a trade for Hunter or Pierre which most likely will involve Cano. Now I'm saying if you have to pick between THESE TWO options.
Option A: Sign Johnny Damon
Option B: Trade Robinson Cano for Torii Hunter
Personally if it comes down to these two options, I would rather sign Damon because I think Cano has a great career ahead of him and trading Cano for Hunter hurts our lineup though it improves our defense tremendously. I think with Damon in the lineup as opposed to Cano out of it is a much better path to take. Now dont think I am in the "Sign Johnny Damon" camp because I would love to see the Yankees get a guy like Wilkerson or some solid CFer via trade to play center. However knowing George and his quest for names and declining players who have been our advesaries, I have a feeling it might come down to these two options. Again give, the choice between the two I take Damon. What does everyone else think and why?
Agreed. For the same reasons you stated.
Babe Rules
10-21-05, 11:42 PM
If Hunter costs us Cano, none of the above options IMO.
rockinpoe
10-21-05, 11:44 PM
Of those two options- "A" for sure. I agree with you that Cano is the real thing. Only way I think of giving him up is if Soriano returns to play second and even at that I think I'd rather keep Cano- over time I think he'll be more consistent at the plate and in the field than Sori. Damon would be the new lead-off guy and brings us some better speed on the bases. True Torii is the better glove but in balance the Yanks would be a better club with Cano and Damon than with Hunter and no Cano. Plus, Damon desperately needs the haircut and shave.
apolansk
10-21-05, 11:48 PM
Neither, but if I have to choose:
Damon in LF, and Matsui in CF.
Winfield31
10-21-05, 11:52 PM
"The Yankees are going to give up Robinson Cano for Torii Hunter"
The only place you are hearing this is from this board, and from newspaper writers who are grasping at straws for a story to write. I find it HIGHLY unlikely that the Yankees will trade Cano who proved his tremendous value in not even a full season this year. It is almost as if you guys are hoping that the Yankee management makes a stupid move like this just so you can have something to complain about.
It is only my opinion, but I think there is about a 2% chance that we see Cano traded this off season, and if we do it will involve someone bigger than Hunter.
27IsNext
10-21-05, 11:55 PM
Secret choice C: Brad Wilkerson.
Panamaniac42
10-22-05, 12:11 AM
The only way I trade Cano for a CF is if J.P. Ricciardi suddenly develops a passion for sniffing glue and offers us Vernon Wells and Orlando Hudson for a package built around Cano lol.
As horrific of a year as Beltran had, I still have to say he was the guy. If he spent all year tucked in the 2 spot between Jeter & Sheffield and/or ARod, I'd like to think he'd have torn it up rather than struggle to outproduce Tino Martinez.
Granted, it was a big price to pay for Beltran but look at what options we have now. Gonna have to settle for a stopgap and hope for the best with one of our kid outfielders in 2 years or so. That is if Georgie doesn't get Damon.
I'd rather trade for Wilkerson or maybe Bradley...
But given the "death is not an option" poll, I'd take Damon, because he'd only cost $$$. Torii Hunter would cost $$$ + Cano.
38Special
10-22-05, 12:12 AM
i clicked Hunter before i saw your trade scenario
edit: I just rethought what I previously wrote and realized I was WAY offbase.
I shouldn't have voted for Hunter.
Cano + Damon > Hunter
PinstripePride
10-22-05, 12:42 AM
If he costs Cano, screw Hunter. As much as I don't want Damon out there, if it keeps Robinson in stripes, so be it.
IncredibleByNature
10-22-05, 02:06 AM
Neither of the above, but if I HAD to choose, I'd choose Damon, b/c I wanna keep Cano in pinstripes.
NYYBombshell
10-22-05, 02:09 AM
As much as I don't want him.........Johnny Damon.
We can't give up Cano.
I Love Wang
10-22-05, 02:14 AM
Why would anyone HAVE to choose between those two awful options? I wouldn't do either, at all, because there are plenty other, better options.
JapanJobbers
10-22-05, 02:44 AM
I think Damon could be a nice option IF he was signed to just a 2/3 year contract. He should still be productive for a few more years.
Kulish29
10-22-05, 02:50 AM
If you put a gun to my head and told me to make a choice, I'd choose Damon. He'd only cost money. Hunter would cost too much in players/prospects.
Dooley Womack
10-22-05, 02:52 AM
Easy. Hunter
Edit. Didn't see your scenario. I wouldn't trade Cano.
Why would anyone HAVE to choose between those two awful options? I wouldn't do either, at all, because there are plenty other, better options.
Ditto.
rightfielder21
10-22-05, 07:28 AM
Why would anyone HAVE to choose between those two awful options? I wouldn't do either, at all, because there are plenty other, better options.
Exactly...
It's like saying which would you rather eat, dog shi! or cat shi!
goin for 27
10-22-05, 08:13 AM
Neither, but if I have to choose:
Damon in LF, and Matsui in CF.
No way.
Neither can throw, but Damon could chase down twice as many balls as Matsui can.
Also, Damon would actually catch them when he got there. ;)
I would sign Damon to a 3 year deal in a minute, but I see him getting longer elsewhere. Past 3 years, the Yanks should run in the other direction.
As far as this poll is concerned, it is tough to vote, as no idea what would be given up for Hunter. Cano, for example, would be a huge mistake.
montrealer
10-22-05, 08:16 AM
Neither, but if I have to choose:
Damon in LF, and Matsui in CF.
And Sheff in RF?Where does that make us a better OF?.......Puss arm .....a over the hill.......and no range.
Wilkerson is your best choice....lead off hitter...great speed...some power....can play other positions....good arm......most of all a very approachable player,good team player and very likeable. :o
Yankee Bulldawg
10-22-05, 08:19 AM
Damon may have a little more pop in his bat but i still take Torii Hunter simply because in my opinion he's a better defensive player than Damon and he's got more hustle
goin for 27
10-22-05, 08:34 AM
Damon may have a little more pop in his bat but i still take Torii Hunter simply because in my opinion he's a better defensive player than Damon and he's got more hustle
I think that Hunter (if leg is fine) is better defensively, but there is now way that Hunter has more hustle.
Damon is an all out every day player. I am amazed that he has not missed more time due to injury.
As much as I do not want Damon. I want Cano here for a long time more than either of those guys. So I voted for Damon.
Also :lol: I think alot of people voted for Hunter before reading the scenario.
Yankees1962
10-22-05, 08:52 AM
There should've been a "neither" option for this poll so I'll abstain.
Mattydog
10-22-05, 08:57 AM
He can't go- keep Cano.
In Mo I Trust
10-22-05, 09:21 AM
Yea, there's no way you can trade Cano.
YankeePride1967
10-22-05, 09:50 AM
This is like asking who would I rather have sex with, Rosenne Barr or Kathy Bates.
As much as I do not want Damon long term (his arm is worse than Bernie and he isn't much younger) I would give Damon a 2-3 year deal (that won't get it done) than trade Cano for Hunter.
YankeePride1967
10-22-05, 09:52 AM
Just a question. Why is it so awful to grow our OWN prospects and KEEP them instead of always trading them away?
FutureYankee
10-22-05, 10:05 AM
This is like asking who would I rather have sex with, Rosenne Barr or Kathy Bates.
:jaw-drop:
ICEBERG18
10-22-05, 10:07 AM
Melky Cabrera :P
This is like asking who would I rather have sex with, Rosenne Barr or Kathy Bates.
Well?
No way would I want to trade Cano.
TheBamTino24
10-22-05, 10:45 AM
There are other FAs I would sign for outfield help before Johnny Damon. I'm very impressed with Robinson Cano's offensive potential, but I just hope these mental dazes are an aspect of being only 22 years old and in the Major Leagues with the New York Yankees and that he'll grow out of them with maturation.
surge511
10-22-05, 11:18 AM
While I always preach that Offense is better than Defense, in this case, Hunter's defense outdoes Damon's superior bat. However, the selection of Hunter greatly depends on what he would cost through a trade.
ring403
10-22-05, 11:22 AM
There is no way that Hunter is worth Robbie Cano. Given the choice, I'd take Damon in a heartbeat.
Niether. I'd rather have Jeter in CF and Cano stay at 2B.
SoCal Pinstriper
10-22-05, 12:20 PM
Cannot trade Cano for Hunter. Where is the Giles button?
CptCrunch
10-22-05, 12:45 PM
If it HAD to be one of those two options, I'd go with Damon because Hunter isn't worth Cano. As said before, however, there are other options.
27IsNext
10-22-05, 12:45 PM
Cannot trade Cano for Hunter. Where is the Giles button?
Giles, in all likelyhood, doesn't want to leave the West Coast.
That being said, I'm a firm believer that money talks, but I would not sign him to a long-term contract with big money. He's too old.
JeffWeaverFan
10-22-05, 12:47 PM
Neither. Both those options suck. Another reason why getting Beltran was so important last year.
SoCal Pinstriper
10-22-05, 01:08 PM
Giles, in all likelyhood, doesn't want to leave the West Coast.
That being said, I'm a firm believer that money talks, but I would not sign him to a long-term contract with big money. He's too old.He's also on record as saying that he wants to stay in the NL.
I would still prefer three or four years of Giles to six years of Damon. I have no problem with Hunter if he was an FA, but giving up what Minny is likely to want for him (Cano) doesn't sit well with me.
longtimeyankeefan
10-22-05, 01:09 PM
I voted for Hunter because your question asks "who would you rather have in CF?", not "would you rather sign Damon or trade Cano for Hunter?".
Still, my real answer is NEITHER. I really do not like Johnny "Caveman" Damon and am not enthralled with Tori Hunter either.
Yes, we need a CFer, but I don't want to see us signing a primadonna or trading our ROY candidate caliber 2bman for someone who is going to cost a minimum of $12.75M next season ($10.75M salary plus $2.0M buyout vs $12M option for 2007).
If we could get Hunter for something less than Cano, then I am all for pursuing this trade - otherwise, wish the Twins well in their endeavor to steal from someone else.
i dont think at this point in his career johnny damon should even be considered an option.
lack of arm and the cost/length of contract just don't make him a realistic person to fill the CF spot.
SINCE77 2
10-22-05, 01:38 PM
I want nothing to do with Damon. His value lies in his ability to leadoff thereby slotting Jeter into the #2 hole. His defense is showing strong decline and his attitude dictates that he really wants no part of the NYY. Why bother?
Also, I can't see the Yankees filling one hole only to open up another even if it means trading for Hunter. As I mentioned in another thread, Hunter will probably cost Duncan and some other minor leaguer not named Hughes. Bottom line, given a choice between the two, I select Hunter. With our excess number of pitchers and deep pockets I also see an opportunity to still get Wilkerson playing him at 1B and RF giving Sheff and Giambi DH duties on any given day.
Neither. Both those options suck. Another reason why getting Beltran was so important last year.
Yeah, too bad about Beltran. He would have fit nicely into our collection of overrated and overpaid players.
Carlos was a bad fit for both NY clubs at that ridiculous price. He should have stayed in Houston, where he wanted to be, and avoided the bright lights and pressure of NY. Another winner from Scott Boras.
SINCE77 2
10-22-05, 01:59 PM
i dont think at this point in his career johnny damon should even be considered an option.
lack of arm and the cost/length of contract just don't make him a realistic person to fill the CF spot.
Exactly. The time to get him was in 2001, but the Yankees choose to get Giambi instead. Silly considering we had NJ and Tino (who was more than willing to stay at a greatly reduced price).
m_sisca
10-22-05, 01:59 PM
what kind of idiot would trade robinson cano??
m_sisca
10-22-05, 02:00 PM
whoops, my bad. i forgot about ol' georgie.
SINCE77 2
10-22-05, 02:02 PM
Yeah, too bad about Beltran. He would have fit nicely into our collection of overrated and overpaid players.
Carlos was a bad fit for both NY clubs at that ridiculous price. He should have stayed in Houston, where he wanted to be, and avoided the bright lights and pressure of NY. Another winner from Scott Boras.
Whats amazing is how so many are willing to still trade for his overblown contract.
JeffWeaverFan
10-22-05, 02:02 PM
Yeah, too bad about Beltran. He would have fit nicely into our collection of overrated and overpaid players.
Carlos was a bad fit for both NY clubs at that ridiculous price. He should have stayed in Houston, where he wanted to be, and avoided the bright lights and pressure of NY. Another winner from Scott Boras.
Actually, Beltran would have been a great fit for the Yankees. Is he under the age of 30? Check. Can he play a good defensive CF? Check. Did we lose 2 runs in game 5 because of our CF situation? Check. Did many people say that our CF defense situation would be our downfall before this season? Check.
Carlos wanted to come to the Yankees and was willing to take less to come here. Would he still have been overpaid at $16 million a year? No doubt about it, but given the fact that we didn't have a CFer on this team and that CF defense is extremely important, we had to overpay to get him. Especially when you looked at the CF free agents available this season. But hey, lets just trade away Cano and Hughes for Torri Hunter and his career 100 OPS+... We needed Beltran for his defense more than we needed any one pitcher. His defense would have helped the pitching staff that much.
The problem with Beltran with the Mets is he was "The guy" there. He would not have been "The Guy" here and there really wouldn't have been much pressure on him to be great. Also, Shea is a horrible hitters park.
m_sisca
10-22-05, 02:03 PM
This is like asking who would I rather have sex with, Rosenne Barr or Kathy Bates.
.thanks alot, rocket. i just threw up in my mouth.
SINCE77 2
10-22-05, 02:11 PM
Actually, Beltran would have been a great fit for the Yankees. Is he under the age of 30? Check. Can he play a good defensive CF? Check. Did we lose 2 runs in game 5 because of our CF situation? Check. Did many people say that our CF defense situation would be our downfall before this season? Check.
Carlos wanted to come to the Yankees and was willing to take less to come here. Would he still have been overpaid at $16 million a year? No doubt about it, but given the fact that we didn't have a CFer on this team and that CF defense is extremely important, we had to overpay to get him. Especially when you looked at the CF free agents available this season. But hey, lets just trade away Cano and Hughes for Torri Hunter and his career 100 OPS+... We needed Beltran for his defense more than we needed any one pitcher. His defense would have helped the pitching staff that much.
The problem with Beltran with the Mets is he was "The guy" there. He would not have been "The Guy" here and there really wouldn't have been much pressure on him to be great. Also, Shea is a horrible hitters park.
So you want to pay 100+million for a guy who doesn't have to be the man and just has to catch the ball? The Yankees will not trade Cano or Hughes or even Wang for Hunter. Duncan is another story, as powerhitting 1B are more readily available than are 5 tool CFers. Beltran is a Matsui-level hitter getting paid like a Arod type hitter in an era when contract lengths and values have been declining.
CptCrunch
10-22-05, 02:13 PM
thanks alot, rocket. i just threw up in my mouth.
I'm going to have terrible nightmares tonight.
SINCE77 2
10-22-05, 02:34 PM
Actually, Beltran would have been a great fit for the Yankees. Is he under the age of 30? Check. Can he play a good defensive CF? Check. Did we lose 2 runs in game 5 because of our CF situation? Check. Did many people say that our CF defense situation would be our downfall before this season? Check.
Carlos wanted to come to the Yankees and was willing to take less to come here. Would he still have been overpaid at $16 million a year? No doubt about it, but given the fact that we didn't have a CFer on this team and that CF defense is extremely important, we had to overpay to get him. Especially when you looked at the CF free agents available this season. But hey, lets just trade away Cano and Hughes for Torri Hunter and his career 100 OPS+... We needed Beltran for his defense more than we needed any one pitcher. His defense would have helped the pitching staff that much.
The problem with Beltran with the Mets is he was "The guy" there. He would not have been "The Guy" here and there really wouldn't have been much pressure on him to be great. Also, Shea is a horrible hitters park.
Beltran (2005):
582AB/ .330 OBP/ .414 SLug / .266BA
34 2B/ 2 3B/ 16HR/ 17 SB-6 CS
Hunter (2005):
372AB/ .337 OBP/ .452 SLUG/ .269 BA
24 2B/ 1 3B/ 14HR/ 23 SB-7 CS
Given the same number of at-bats in 2005 Hunter's so called mediocre production would have eclipsed Beltrans' and for about 10million less. Defensively Hunter is the better player with the better arm and range imo.
Arod for President
10-22-05, 02:39 PM
Hunter good Damon bad
Soriambi
10-22-05, 02:47 PM
If I had to choose one of those two options, it would be Damon, but in reality, where I don't have to choose either, I would not take either one.
YankeePride1967
10-22-05, 02:55 PM
Beltran (2005):
582AB/ .330 OBP/ .414 SLug / .266BA
34 2B/ 2 3B/ 16HR/ 17 SB-6 CS
Hunter (2005):
372AB/ .337 OBP/ .452 SLUG/ .269 BA
24 2B/ 1 3B/ 14HR/ 23 SB-7 CS
Given the same number of at-bats in 2005 Hunter's so called mediocre production would have eclipsed Beltrans' and for about 10million less. Defensively Hunter is the better player with the better arm and range imo.
The problem is Hunter will likely cost us Cano and if we are absolutely stupid enough to do that we deserve to lose.
JeffWeaverFan
10-22-05, 03:03 PM
Beltran (2005):
582AB/ .330 OBP/ .414 SLug / .266BA
34 2B/ 2 3B/ 16HR/ 17 SB-6 CS
Hunter (2005):
372AB/ .337 OBP/ .452 SLUG/ .269 BA
24 2B/ 1 3B/ 14HR/ 23 SB-7 CS
Given the same number of at-bats in 2005 Hunter's so called mediocre production would have eclipsed Beltrans' and for about 10million less. Defensively Hunter is the better player with the better arm and range imo.
The difference is that that Beltran's year was one of his worst while that was an above-average year for Hunter. Beltran will be better than that in the coming years (most guys struggle in their first year in NY - we know that) while that is about as good as you will get with Hunter. Most likely, he'll be worse than that.
As for the $ issue, yes, Beltran cost $16 million per while Hunter is $10 next year? Or $12? OK, lets say $10 for the sake of argument. The difference is we will have to trade a Cano and a Hughes to get the guy. So, then we have to replace Cano with someone as good - how much does that cost? Then when we would have had a great young pitcher in Philip Hughes pitching for us for hardly any money, we will have to replace that production with a great pitcher. How much is that? Another $8 million per year? $10 million per year? The point is, it isn't just money for Hunter. If he was a free agent, I'd have no problem with it, but we have to trade good, cheap talent for him. Beltran didn't cost us any prospects and thus, was cheaper. And, once again, Beltran is a better player, even if he had a bad season last year.
SINCE77 2
10-22-05, 03:14 PM
The difference is that that Beltran's year was one of his worst while that was an above-average year for Hunter. Beltran will be better than that in the coming years (most guys struggle in their first year in NY - we know that) while that is about as good as you will get with Hunter. Most likely, he'll be worse than that.
As for the $ issue, yes, Beltran cost $16 million per while Hunter is $10 next year? Or $12? OK, lets say $10 for the sake of argument. The difference is we will have to trade a Cano and a Hughes to get the guy. So, then we have to replace Cano with someone as good - how much does that cost? Then when we would have had a great young pitcher in Philip Hughes pitching for us for hardly any money, we will have to replace that production with a great pitcher. How much is that? Another $8 million per year? $10 million per year? The point is, it isn't just money for Hunter. If he was a free agent, I'd have no problem with it, but we have to trade good, cheap talent for him. Beltran didn't cost us any prospects and thus, was cheaper. And, once again, Beltran is a better player, even if he had a bad season last year.
There are no viable replacements for Cano. The Yankees will not trade him for Hunter or anyone else. The Yankees have a potential homegrown pitching star in Hughes, so imo they will not trade him either. Duncan/Henn can be replaced easier than Cano and Hughes. Wang isn't going anywhere either. The Yankees don't usually get rid of people who have shown the ability to play in the NY limelight. Your worries are unfounded. The Twins need power on their team. Cheap power . Duncan fits the bill better than does Cano.
JeffWeaverFan
10-22-05, 03:44 PM
There are no viable replacements for Cano. The Yankees will not trade him for Hunter or anyone else. The Yankees have a potential homegrown pitching star in Hughes, so imo they will not trade him either. Duncan/Henn can be replaced easier than Cano and Hughes. Wang isn't going anywhere either. The Yankees don't usually get rid of people who have shown the ability to play in the NY limelight. Your worries are unfounded. The Twins need power on their team. Cheap power . Duncan fits the bill better than does Cano.
I wouldn't give up a potential superstar in Duncan either. My same points still hold with Duncan. We will have to replace the production we would have gotten on the cheap from Duncan with an expensive player. I am against trading any of our top prospects - unless it is for a young, great player. But, as a rule, I am against it. I want to rebuild the farm, not hurt it further.
ChrisV82
10-22-05, 04:00 PM
If Hunter costs us Cano, none of the above options IMO.
I accidentally chose Torii before reading the thread. :upset:
RhodeyYankee2638
10-22-05, 04:04 PM
I'd say neither. I wouldn't mind giving up Cano for Hunter, but the Twins wouldn't just accept Cano, they'd want more
rightfielder21
10-22-05, 04:27 PM
I'd say neither. I wouldn't mind giving up Cano for Hunter, but the Twins wouldn't just accept Cano, they'd want more
Cano for Hunter is bad, Cano + others is even worse...
Yanksagain
10-22-05, 04:56 PM
Hunter over Damon any day of the week. But, if its going to cost the Yankees Cano to get Hunter I say "no thanks". Hunter cannot matchup with Damon's bat, but the Yankees do not need that. They need a great fielder with a strong arm. Hunter is the guy for that job.
I'd say neither. I wouldn't mind giving up Cano for Hunter, but the Twins wouldn't just accept Cano, they'd want more
Hunter: 06:$10.75M, 07:$12M club option ($2M buyout)
Cano: ML service: 0.000 (bcause he made the ML minimum this past season, he will make < $1 million in 06)
'05 OPS
Hunter: 107
Cano: 102
Hunter isn't close to being worth Cano, no matter how much Kool-Aid the Twins may want the Yankees to drink.
ICEBERG18
10-22-05, 04:59 PM
but the Twins wouldn't just accept Cano, they'd want more
They would make that trade in an NY minute.
Snatch Catch
10-22-05, 04:59 PM
I honestly want nothing to do with either guy.
I honestly want nothing to do with either guy.
I really hope Boston signs Damon for 4 years.
Snatch Catch
10-22-05, 05:04 PM
I really hope Boston signs Damon for 4 years.
Agreed.
LloydBanks
10-23-05, 01:59 AM
The Yankees aren't gonna trade Cano for Hunter. They're gonna ask for Cano in exchange for Hunter. That don't mean we'll say Yes and we shouldn't. Maybe they can work out some kind of 3 team trade to get Hunter over here and we keep Cano. I really don't want Jhonny Damon.
Dave Visbeck
10-23-05, 02:15 AM
Take Hunter for Gods sake! http://xs12.xs.to/pics/05035/icon_old.gif
Beccash18
10-23-05, 11:27 AM
but the Twins wouldn't just accept Cano, they'd want more
They would make that trade in an NY minute.
They would make that trade in an NY minute.
I don't know if I remember this correctly, but weren't the Twins the team that picked up Brett Boone to play second because they were so desperate for hitting, then outright released him because Seattle was right all along that he sucked, and they got suckered for picking him up?
rivera,s cutter
10-23-05, 12:26 PM
i would choose wilkerson!
whalers
10-23-05, 01:10 PM
if hunter doesnt cost cano, wang, duncan, or hughs or any combination of the four I would think about hunter. Otherwise I wouldnt touch either.
terminator
10-23-05, 01:17 PM
They would make that trade in an NY minute.
I don't know if I remember this correctly, but weren't the Twins the team that picked up Brett Boone to play second because they were so desperate for hitting, then outright released him because Seattle was right all along that he sucked, and they got suckered for picking him up?
It was a no risk move for the Twins, as I recall. Boone had been DFA'd, and I don't think it cost them anything other than money, and that too very little money.
goin for 27
10-23-05, 01:32 PM
I want nothing to do with Damon. His value lies in his ability to leadoff thereby slotting Jeter into the #2 hole. His defense is showing strong decline and his attitude dictates that he really wants no part of the NYY. Why bother?
Also, I can't see the Yankees filling one hole only to open up another even if it means trading for Hunter. As I mentioned in another thread, Hunter will probably cost Duncan and some other minor leaguer not named Hughes. Bottom line, given a choice between the two, I select Hunter. With our excess number of pitchers and deep pockets I also see an opportunity to still get Wilkerson playing him at 1B and RF giving Sheff and Giambi DH duties on any given day.
1. Damon leading off and Jeter batting second would be a positive for the lineup.
2. Defense showing strong decline? Damon is one of the best CF'ers in the game, his big weakness being that he has an awful arm. Great range though, and catches everything he gets to. The issue should not be that he has shown decline, but that he will decline as he ages.
3. Attitude that he wants no part of NYY? Where are you getting this? I remember him stating that he would be happy to play here. I think that if Damon gets the highest offer from the Yanks, he would sign in a minute.
All things being equal, I select Hunter too. He is all of Damon in the OF, plus he has a strong arm. Not as good at the plate, but certainly capable.
However, you don't get to select Hunter, he must be traded for. The only player that I see the Twins agreeing to would be Cano. At that point, I try hard to sign Damon to a 3 year deal. Doubt it is doable, but that would be the attempt. If the Yanks could get Wilkerson instead, I would be fine with that as well. Damon is a dynamic player, and would be great in NY, but I would have grave concerns on even a 4th year.
SINCE77 2
10-23-05, 02:05 PM
1. Damon leading off and Jeter batting second would be a positive for the lineup.
2. Defense showing strong decline? Damon is one of the best CF'ers in the game, his big weakness being that he has an awful arm. Great range though, and catches everything he gets to. The issue should not be that he has shown decline, but that he will decline as he ages.
3. Attitude that he wants no part of NYY? Where are you getting this? I remember him stating that he would be happy to play here. I think that if Damon gets the highest offer from the Yanks, he would sign in a minute.
All things being equal, I select Hunter too. He is all of Damon in the OF, plus he has a strong arm. Not as good at the plate, but certainly capable.
However, you don't get to select Hunter, he must be traded for. The only player that I see the Twins agreeing to would be Cano. At that point, I try hard to sign Damon to a 3 year deal. Doubt it is doable, but that would be the attempt. If the Yanks could get Wilkerson instead, I would be fine with that as well. Damon is a dynamic player, and would be great in NY, but I would have grave concerns on even a 4th year.
As I have mentioned in other post, the time to get Damon was in 2001. Boston has already gotten his best years. He will want a minimum of 4years and probably at big money. Considering that Jeter has shown relative excellence from the leadoff spot, what the Yankees really need is a #2 hitter. Damon, IIRC has never said that he wants to play here. In fact I can recall nothing but derisive statements and teenager like chest thumping on his part toward the Yankees. More importantly, why would you wish to outbid Boston for his services? Let them have him with his overpriced contract demands.
As far as Cano is concerned, I really don't believe he is going anywhere. How are they going to replace him? With Womack perhaps? I don't see the logic in filling one hole only to create another. The Yankee front office showed tremendous restraint during the trading deadline period, and I don't forsee anything changing during the offseason. If they get Hunter, it will be on their terms.
Wilkerson would be a great asset to have considering that he could spell Giambi and Sheff defensively and be our first real #2 hitter since the 90's Jeter.
If Hunter doesn't come, then I would be more than happy with a Matos or Hairston in CF.
FMITK2005
10-23-05, 02:28 PM
Neither.
Dooley Womack
10-23-05, 02:30 PM
I really hope Boston signs Damon for 4 years.
Yup. Damon and Renteria tied up the next few years would be great.
BobbyMurcerFan
10-23-05, 02:31 PM
i clicked Hunter before i saw your trade scenarioME TOO :(.
Yup. Damon and Renteria tied up the next few years would be great.
Don't forget Clement. ;)
Stupid Flanders
10-23-05, 02:40 PM
White guy I don't want vs. Black guy I don't want
Stupid Flanders
10-23-05, 02:41 PM
given the choice Damon's FA signing would be better than what we'd have to give up for Hunter
longtimeyankeefan
10-23-05, 02:50 PM
I can not fathom the number of people who believe that the Yankee front office would be so niave as to trade Cano for Hunter. While we need a CFer, trading one up the middle defender for another just makes no sense.
I can not fathom the number of people who believe that the Yankee front office would be so niave as to trade Cano for Hunter. While we need a CFer, trading one up the middle defender for another just makes no sense.
They were naive enough to sign Womack.
YankeePride1967
10-23-05, 03:58 PM
I really hope the reason it is 111-44 in favor of Hunter is because people didn't read how we'd get Hunter.
parkerstrong
10-23-05, 04:36 PM
I voted before considering Cano would be traded for Hunter. Hunter or Damon I choose Hunter....but if I have to trade Cano for Hunter I would go with plan C....Bubba Crosby.
I don't think Crosby should be the regular CF, but I would rather him be there and keep Cano. Cano is too good to give up.
Crusadecat
10-23-05, 05:00 PM
if Hunter comes at us giving up Cano, i'd rather take Damon as stop gap measure or better yet, forego both of them and get Baldelli
terminator
10-23-05, 05:08 PM
I have a question - who are the prospective CFers who will be free agents after the 2006 season?
Because if the 2006 market is good, then it wouldn't be a bad move for the Yankees to get Hunter - as long as they don't give up their prized prospects or young players (namely Cano and Wang) - and look at Hunter as a stop-gap solution.
Considering that Hunter is coming off an injury, Minnesota might be amenable to a deal which didn't involve the top prospects.
MattUNC2003
10-23-05, 06:40 PM
I have a question - who are the prospective CFers who will be free agents after the 2006 season?
Because if the 2006 market is good, then it wouldn't be a bad move for the Yankees to get Hunter - as long as they don't give up their prized prospects or young players (namely Cano and Wang) - and look at Hunter as a stop-gap solution.
Considering that Hunter is coming off an injury, Minnesota might be amenable to a deal which didn't involve the top prospects.
http://www.mlb4u.com/0607FA.html
Cheers.
goin for 27
10-23-05, 06:42 PM
As I have mentioned in other post, the time to get Damon was in 2001. Boston has already gotten his best years. He will want a minimum of 4years and probably at big money. Considering that Jeter has shown relative excellence from the leadoff spot, what the Yankees really need is a #2 hitter. Damon, IIRC has never said that he wants to play here. In fact I can recall nothing but derisive statements and teenager like chest thumping on his part toward the Yankees. More importantly, why would you wish to outbid Boston for his services? Let them have him with his overpriced contract demands.
As far as Cano is concerned, I really don't believe he is going anywhere. How are they going to replace him? With Womack perhaps? I don't see the logic in filling one hole only to create another. The Yankee front office showed tremendous restraint during the trading deadline period, and I don't forsee anything changing during the offseason. If they get Hunter, it will be on their terms.
Wilkerson would be a great asset to have considering that he could spell Giambi and Sheff defensively and be our first real #2 hitter since the 90's Jeter.
If Hunter doesn't come, then I would be more than happy with a Matos or Hairston in CF.
I said that I would sign Damon for no more than 3 years, and doubt that it would happen.
Jeter is a great leadoff hitter, but so is Damon. If the Yanks sign Damon, he leads off, and Jetes hits second, which he is also outstanding at.
Chest thumping? It is always about the $$. If Damon gets the best offer here, he will sign.
I don't want to overpay for Damon, and I have no clue if Boston is willing to either. I just prefer signing Damon to a reasonable 3 year deal to say trading Cano for Hunter.
I agree with your Cano logic, (and just about everything else) The Yankees would be fools to trade Cano for Hunter, but as we have seen by the Womack/Wright signings, the Yankees have done some dumb things, so it is not out of the realm of possibility.
terminator
10-23-05, 11:31 PM
http://www.mlb4u.com/0607FA.html
Cheers.
Thanks - I appreciate it.
At this stage, looks like a much better free agent class - though I am sure that will change as a number of those free agents will sign extensions.
Hopefully a number of them will be traded at the deadline, and make it more interesting than it was this season.
http://journals.aol.com/dcsportsguy/mrirrelevant/entries/2162
Not sure where else to post this, might even deserve its own discussion, but I can't create threads
Damon is one of the names being mentioned and that could have a lot of impact on the FA market. Sheffield's name is also mentioned, and that could hurt the outfield even more. Whats everyone think?
surge511
10-28-05, 12:15 PM
Sheffield - DO NOT TRADE!
Damon - What we could use on offense
Hunter - What we could use on defense
The link doens't talk about trades, its about a big name outfielder on an AL playoff team that tested positive for steroids
TEPLimey
10-28-05, 01:44 PM
For those who (unfortunately) saw Alien v. Predator...
Damon v. Hunter: Whoever wins, we lose.
Mantle 7
10-28-05, 01:50 PM
Hunter.........hands down.........period!
Yankee Steve
10-28-05, 01:52 PM
i clicked Hunter before i saw your trade scenario
Oops... did the same thing.
Dr. Gonzo
10-28-05, 01:53 PM
Thanks - I appreciate it.
At this stage, looks like a much better free agent class - though I am sure that will change as a number of those free agents will sign extensions.
Hopefully a number of them will be traded at the deadline, and make it more interesting than it was this season.
I don't think it looks that strong either, better then this year, but nothing special
Mantle 7
10-28-05, 01:54 PM
I voted for Hunter but................not at the expense of cano. There are options for CF w/o giving up a young talent like Cano, who should be around [long after Hunter is gone] for a long time helping the Yankees win titles.
YankeeStripes
10-28-05, 01:54 PM
I dont know if we have mentioned this, because I havnt read the entire thread, but signing damon would help us in that it hurts bostons lineup. damon kills us.
DontHateOnNumber2
10-28-05, 02:03 PM
I'd rather throw Bubba Crosby or some other solid player out in center because I think Cano will turn out to be an extremely good player in the future. Torii Hunter isn't worth trading Robinson Cano for, in my opinion. I also could do without Johnny Damon so I can't really vote, if I was the manager I would just put Bubba out there and see what he does.
DontHateOnNumber2
10-28-05, 02:05 PM
http://www.mlb4u.com/0607FA.html
Cheers.
The site considers Brad Radke a marquee free agent but not Jorge Posada, Kerry Wood, or David Ortiz? I can see overlooking Posada for his season-long slump and Kerry Wood's injury, but Ortiz had a big year.
Maybe because Posada and Ortiz have team options?
But I am willing to bet that Derrek Lee is gonna get a lot of money thrown his way
I dont know if we have mentioned this, because I havnt read the entire thread, but signing damon would help us in that it hurts bostons lineup. damon kills us.
Boston would hold a parade if we signed Damon.
mrmike98
10-28-05, 03:19 PM
I think it's clear that Damon has given his best to Boston.
At the same time, I'm against trading Wang/Cano for Hunter.
Another way of looking at this is all Damon will cost us is $ and draftees. (this hasn't stopped us in the past)
Hopefully good sense will prevail and we'll pass on both of these unattractive options.
Kulish29
10-28-05, 04:04 PM
http://journals.aol.com/dcsportsguy/mrirrelevant/entries/2162
Not sure where else to post this, might even deserve its own discussion, but I can't create threads
Damon is one of the names being mentioned and that could have a lot of impact on the FA market. Sheffield's name is also mentioned, and that could hurt the outfield even more. Whats everyone think?
It's already being talked about here: http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=90434 :)
#7forever
10-28-05, 04:04 PM
Gotta go with Hunter on this one. I don't think we can use a chicken wing centerfielder.
Kulish29
10-28-05, 04:05 PM
The site considers Brad Radke a marquee free agent but not Jorge Posada, Kerry Wood, or David Ortiz? I can see overlooking Posada for his season-long slump and Kerry Wood's injury, but Ortiz had a big year.
That site also says the Yankees are going to go hard after Jamie Moyer and sign Damon for 6 years 60mil.
Kulish29
10-28-05, 04:06 PM
Gotta go with Hunter on this one. I don't think we can use a chicken wing centerfielder.
So you'd be willing to trade Cano for a CF with about the same OPS+?
tatanka9
10-28-05, 04:09 PM
prosportsdaily.com, reported that at least one news outlet says Hunter has already sold his MN house. Cash is looking to shore up the defense and I think that points to Hunter.
OK then, welcome back Catfish!!!
prosportsdaily.com, reported that at least one news outlet says Hunter has already sold his MN house. Cash is looking to shore up the defense and I think that points to Hunter.
OK then, welcome back Catfish!!!
If Cash trades Cano for Hunter then he's a damn lier.
Captain Yankee
10-28-05, 04:13 PM
There is no way Hunter or Pierre will get traded for Cano. With Hunter demanding a trade and Pierre arbitration eligible---it will probably take less to get both of those guys. I don't think Cano will get traded for either. Maybe Cash gets creative. Soriano could return to NY this offseason. He also started his career in NY in the OF. Could be very interesting.
Kulish29
10-28-05, 04:13 PM
If Cash trades Cano for Hunter then he's a damn lier.
He's not and the Yankees arent going to trade for Hunter. Cash said yesterday he's looking to trim payroll.
He's not and the Yankees arent going to trade for Hunter. Cash said yesterday he's looking to trim payroll.
Exactly. And if he does trade Cano then he's a lier.
Evil Empire
10-28-05, 04:16 PM
Exactly. And if he does trade Cano then he's a lier.
Liar.
Kulish29
10-28-05, 04:18 PM
At this point, I either want Bradley or trade Andy Phillips and another minor leaguer to the Phillies for Endy Chavez. He's Juan Pierre with an above average arm in CF.
surge511
10-28-05, 04:38 PM
There is no way Hunter or Pierre will get traded for Cano. With Hunter demanding a trade and Pierre arbitration eligible---it will probably take less to get both of those guys. I don't think Cano will get traded for either. Maybe Cash gets creative. Soriano could return to NY this offseason. He also started his career in NY in the OF. Could be very interesting.
I don't think Cano is going anywhere. What is the status on Soriano? Is he a free agent? Putting him in that lineup would just be unbelievable.
Kulish29
10-28-05, 04:47 PM
I don't think Cano is going anywhere. What is the status on Soriano? Is he a free agent? Putting him in that lineup would just be unbelievable.
Arb eligible this year, FA next year.
It's already being talked about here: http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=90434 :)
Thanks....didn't see that when I posted, I did look but apparently not hard enough :-sorry-:
AMYanks
10-28-05, 07:22 PM
Cashman will never trade Cano for Hunter. NEVER.
bagger015
10-28-05, 10:34 PM
Neither of the above, but if I HAD to choose, I'd choose Damon, b/c I wanna keep Cano in pinstripes.
Ditto..........Robinson is only going to get better, both on the field and at the plate. I also don't want Damon as the team doesn't need to get any older.......:eek:
WestYankeeLover
10-28-05, 11:21 PM
Seems the Boston fans want to keep Damon the most as the poll results show at their website.
Bringing back Damon
9976 votes (37%)
Bolstering the bullpen
5943 votes (22%)
Finding a first baseman
1847 votes (7%)
Getting another starting pitcher
9144 votes (34%)
As said by many, Damon great lead off hitter but Hunter better defense. But getting rid of Cano? Would be totally crazy to do that. I dont really want to the hairy man out there on the field with stripes but i would rather that than give up Cano.
Yankee Bulldawg
10-29-05, 07:59 AM
Hunter over Damon any day of the week
Thats a scenaro that will never happen. Get it out of your head.
I would totally against giving up Cano for Hunter and I don't want Damon either. His best years are behind him. There have to be other options like Wilkerson or Bradley.
I would totally against giving up Cano for Hunter and I don't want Damon either. His best years are behind him. There have to be other options like Wilkerson or Bradley.
From what the papers keep reporting, the Yankee FO doesn't even know that Wilkerson and Bradley exist. Its all Damon, Hunter and Pierre. Ugh!
yank4life2005
10-29-05, 12:19 PM
How about a guy like Milton Bradley? He has tremendous upside and we don't have to sacrifice a guy like Wang or Cano in the deal.
Yankees1962
10-29-05, 12:22 PM
From what the papers keep reporting, the Yankee FO doesn't even know that Wilkerson and Bradley exist. Its all Damon, Hunter and Pierre. Ugh!
Do you actually think that Cashman, who appears to be a very good poker player, would tell the media which direction he's looking in?
yank4life2005
10-29-05, 12:24 PM
From what the papers keep reporting, the Yankee FO doesn't even know that Wilkerson and Bradley exist. Its all Damon, Hunter and Pierre. Ugh!
I have heard Milton Bradley's name has been thrown around but not Wilkerson's.
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