View Full Version : 2005 NLCS: Astros Vs Cards
Woot! Pujols owned again!!!
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:21 PM
Pujols grounds out. 2 away.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:22 PM
Roy Oswalt keeps on bringing it.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:22 PM
Woot! Pujols owned again!!!
Pujols 0-3.
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 09:23 PM
Nice AB for Walker.
Walker does what poor old Pujols couldn't.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:24 PM
Walker doubles. 2 outs.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:24 PM
Oswalt at 99 pitches.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:24 PM
Let's see what Sanders can do here.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:25 PM
Walker does what poor old Pujols couldn't.
That is the Cardinals first base hit through the infield tonight.
For a guy who has only given up 2 hits he sure has thrown alot of pitches.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:26 PM
Sanders k's again. Inning over.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 09:26 PM
I dont know what Reggie was looking for. 95 MPH right down the middle.
Inning over.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:27 PM
Reggie Sanders K's looking. Roy Oswalt's 6th K of the night at 104 pitches.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:29 PM
Biggio, Taveras and Berkman due up. Astros would love an extra run from the top of their lineup here.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:29 PM
Biggio singles. 0 outs.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:31 PM
Taveras out on a sac bunt. Biggio to 2nd.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:31 PM
Let's go Berkman!
knickfan23
10-19-05, 09:32 PM
You can have 9 Pujols'.
But if I had 12 Oswalt's, I would beat that team full of Pujols'.
Not good pitching, but BIG TIME pitching wins in the playoffs. There's a reason why the Yanks wont win it all with this "rotisserie offense" that currently exists now.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:32 PM
Flores replaces Marquis to face Berkman.
YankeeFan1
10-19-05, 09:34 PM
I knew Oswalt would come up big tonight. On the other hand, Mulder not so much.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:35 PM
Berkman flies out. 2 away.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:35 PM
You can have 9 Pujols'.
But if I had 12 Oswalt's, I would beat that team full of Pujols'.
Not good pitching, but BIG TIME pitching wins in the playoffs. There's a reason why the Yanks wont win it all with this "rotisserie offense" that currently exists now.
The way the Yankees are constructed right now is that this team is built for offense and offense only. They need to make effective changes so that they can add the BIG TIME pitching and solid, fundamental defensive elements to go with that offense, if the offense can improve in their all-around hitting abilities.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:36 PM
Flores out of the game. Tavarez up to face Ensberg.
You can have 9 Pujols'.
But if I had 12 Oswalt's, I would beat that team full of Pujols'.
Not good pitching, but BIG TIME pitching wins in the playoffs. There's a reason why the Yanks wont win it all with this "rotisserie offense" that currently exists now.
I couldn't agree more.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:37 PM
The way the Yankees are constructed right now is that this team is built for offense and offense only. They need to make effective changes so that they can add the BIG TIME pitching and solid, fundamental defensive elements to go with that offense, if the offense can improve in their all-around hitting abilities.
Definitly right.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:37 PM
So Taguchi in LF for Reggie Sanders.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:39 PM
If the Astros are leading 5-1, do you send Oswalt back in to pitch the 7th?
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:39 PM
Ensberg singles. Error by Edmonds. 5-1 Astros.
Big two out hit. The Yanks could have used a few of those.
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 09:40 PM
The way the Yankees are constructed right now is that this team is built for offense and offense only. They need to make effective changes so that they can add the BIG TIME pitching and solid, fundamental defensive elements to go with that offense, if the offense can improve in their all-around hitting abilities.
But ... but I was under the impression that the Yankees added BIG TIME pitching in RJ? ;)
I completely agree with your assessment, however.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:40 PM
I say give Oswalt one more batter before you hand it to your bullpen.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:41 PM
If the Astros are leading 5-1, do you send Oswalt back in to pitch the 7th?
Grudz, Molina, Nunez due up. I'd let him come back for the 7th.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:41 PM
But ... but I was under the impression that the Yankees added BIG TIME pitching in RJ? ;)
I completely agree with your assessment, however.
RJ needed that BIG TIME pitching element in Game 3, but didn't bring it. He only brought it in Game 5.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:41 PM
WP. Ensberg to 3rd.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:42 PM
Lane grounds out. Side retired.
It seems like when Eckstein throws the ball, he puts his whole life into it. I mean it looks like the ball just isn't going to ever get there but in the end does.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:44 PM
Oswalt is starting the 7th.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 09:44 PM
The way the Yankees are constructed right now is that this team is built for offense and offense only. They need to make effective changes so that they can add the BIG TIME pitching and solid, fundamental defensive elements to go with that offense, if the offense can improve in their all-around hitting abilities.
But the chances of a team with a super offense hitting a super pitcher are very small. I'm trying to think off the top of my head if there has been a team able to do it.
The 93 Jays with 4 HOF's in their everyday lineup couldnt hit Schilling
The 88 A's couldnt beat Hershiser
The 90 A's couldnt beat Jose Rijo
The 91-92 Pirates couldnt hit Smoltz
The 99 Indians couldnt hit Pedro
The 04 Yankees couldnt hit Schilling in Game 6
I'm only taking teams that had big time offenses and their seasons were derailed or were able to overcome the big pitcher. Only the Blue Jays were able to pull it off. Historically, the big offense will lose everytime against the big pitcher.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:45 PM
Oswalt can't give up anything here.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:45 PM
It seems like when Eckstein throws the ball, he puts his whole life into it. I mean it looks like the ball just isn't going to ever get there but in the end does.
Eckstein really plays hard.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:47 PM
Grudz grounds out. 1 away.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:47 PM
Nice play by Everett btw.
NYYBombshell
10-19-05, 09:47 PM
Come on Astros!!!!
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:48 PM
But the chances of a team with a super offense hitting a super pitcher are very small. I'm trying to think off the top of my head if there has been a team able to do it.
The 93 Jays with 4 HOF's in their everyday lineup couldnt hit Schilling
The 88 A's couldnt beat Hershiser
The 90 A's couldnt beat Jose Rijo
The 91-92 Pirates couldnt hit Smoltz
The 99 Indians couldnt hit Pedro
The 04 Yankees couldnt hit Schilling in Game 6
I'm only taking teams that had big time offenses and their seasons were derailed or were able to overcome the big pitcher. Only the Blue Jays were able to pull it off. Historically, the big offense will lose everytime against the big pitcher.
True. Fair enough. Solid pitching and defense will win you championships. It may take a few mistakes from the opposing teams defense to win you games and series.
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 09:48 PM
But the chances of a team with a super offense hitting a super pitcher are very small. I'm trying to think off the top of my head if there has been a team able to do it.
The 93 Jays with 4 HOF's in their everyday lineup couldnt hit Schilling
The 88 A's couldnt beat Hershiser
The 90 A's couldnt beat Jose Rijo
The 91-92 Pirates couldnt hit Smoltz
The 99 Indians couldnt hit Pedro
The 04 Yankees couldnt hit Schilling in Game 6
I'm only taking teams that had big time offenses and their seasons were derailed or were able to overcome the big pitcher. Only the Blue Jays were able to pull it off. Historically, the big offense will lose everytime against the big pitcher.
I completely agree, kf23. Good pitching wins nearly everytime in the playoffs.
Eckstein really plays hard.
If he's playing against you, he has got to drive you crazy.
Nice play Everett.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:48 PM
Yadier grounds out. 2 away.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:49 PM
Nunez singles. 2 outs.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:50 PM
Oswalt at 115 pitches.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:51 PM
Taguchi grounds out. Inning over.
I'm thinking at least .93% of his pitches have been fastballs, and yet the Cardinals still can't touch him.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:52 PM
Oswalt :clap: :clap: :clap:
knickfan23
10-19-05, 09:56 PM
True. Fair enough. Solid pitching and defense will win you championships. It may take a few mistakes from the opposing teams defense to win you games and series.
Thats my point. Take the Astros for example. They have MLB #1 pitching and #1 defense. Based on the fact that they can stop the other team from scoring with their pitching and save runs with their defense, if they simply hit a little bit, they will win. If they get six more outs, they would have proven this theory right.
I completely agree, kf23. Good pitching wins nearly everytime in the playoffs.
Then why is there a percentage of peeps here on this site inclined to think otherwise. They want to improve the team next year but want to keep the 3B, SS, 2B, 1B, LF, and RF. Its as if defense is an afterthought. As opposed to Houston, the Yanks have in grading terms "C to D" defense, "B to C team pitching" and "A- to B+" offense. Thats a recipe to lose right there.
I swear these announcers are trying to jinx the 'Stros.
Right before Oswalt gave up the first Cards hit, the announcers said "He hasn't given up a hit yet." And now they're saying "They've only lost one game when leading by four after seven innings." Yeah, well, they said something similar right before Lidge hung that slider.
Oi.
SoCal Pinstriper
10-19-05, 09:58 PM
Come on Astros. 6 more outs!
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:58 PM
As opposed to Houston, the Yanks have in grading terms "C to D" defense, "B to C team pitching" and "A- to B+" offense. Thats a recipe to lose right there.
The Yankees need to have a "B+ to A-" defense, "B+ to A" pitching, and "A- to A" offense in order to win World Series again.
It's good that Albert is coming up in the 8th inning rather than the 9th so lidge shouldn't have to face him. I wonder what is going through Brade Lidges' mind right now? He's got to be alittle uptight.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 10:01 PM
Qualls needs to get Eckstein here.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 10:03 PM
Pujols has been hitting well, but no support from Edmonds, Larry Walker, Reggie Sanders, and Eckstein. They really miss Scott Rolen.
What a weak swing by Edmonds.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 10:05 PM
Pujols is out on 2 pitches.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 10:05 PM
The Yankees need to have a "B+ to A-" defense, "B+ to A" pitching, and "A- to A" offense in order to win World Series again.
Give me the first two and I'll figure out a way to score enough runs.
I mention this because of the division the Yanks are in. The Jays, Red Sox, Orioles and even the DRays have very good offenses. If you can completely shut them down with "Houston/White Sox like pitching", the Yanks will still win 95-100 games.
The games the Yanks have been able to win simply based on their offense equals out to the amount of games they gave away based on their bad pitching and often times horrendous defense.
In the end, trading away some of the offense to improve the defense and the pitching wont hurt as much as some people are making it out to be.
Losing Beltran, Kent and most of Bagwell was supposed the hurt the Astros even though they were getting Pettitte back. How's that working out right now with 3 outs to go.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 10:09 PM
RIP
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/busch.jpg
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 10:10 PM
Give me the first two and I'll figure out a way to score enough runs.
I mention this because of the division the Yanks are in. The Jays, Red Sox, Orioles and even the DRays have very good offenses. If you can completely shut them down with "Houston/White Sox like pitching", the Yanks will still win 95-100 games.
The games the Yanks have been able to win simply based on their offense equals out to the amount of games they gave away based on their bad pitching and often times horrendous defense.
In the end, trading away some of the offense to improve the defense and the pitching wont hurt as much as some people are making it out to be.
Losing Beltran, Kent and most of Bagwell was supposed the hurt the Astros even though they were getting Pettitte back. How's that working out right now with 3 outs to go.
That's true KF23. In most playoff games, you have games that are 3-2, 2-1 contests.
Luvtino
10-19-05, 10:12 PM
I;d like to see the Astros score another run or two here. I am nervous after that disaster the other day.
Sheff_Rod
10-19-05, 10:13 PM
I want the Astros to win, but in 7 games, so I'm hoping for a Cards rally.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 10:13 PM
RIP
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/busch.jpg
One of the few cookie-cutter outdoor ballparks left in baseball: Shea Stadium and RFK Stadium are the last ones.
SoCal Pinstriper
10-19-05, 10:14 PM
. They really miss Scott Rolen.Rolen only played 55 games this year. He hit .235/.323/.383 when he played.No doubt that they could use him at full strength, but everything that they accomplished this year was without him. He was effectively not part of the 2005 Cards.
3 more outs. Go Astros!!!
Okay 'Stros. Don't blow it this time. No hanging sliders.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 10:15 PM
Lance Berkman K's swinging. The final 3 outs in Busch Stadium? We'll find out in the Bottom of the 9th.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 10:16 PM
One of the few cookie-cutter ballparks left in baseball: Shea Stadium and RFK Stadium are the last ones.
Busch is the best looking one since 95. Once they took out the artificial turf and redid the bullpen areas and add different additions, it looked alot better.
I dont know if they ever could have redid Shea like they did Busch, but I believe they could. St. Louis took the money they had and made the best of it. The Mets just say "give us a new stadium" because the one they have isnt good enough.
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 10:16 PM
One of the few cookie-cutter outdoor ballparks left in baseball: Shea Stadium and RFK Stadium are the last ones.
What about Comisky (or whatever they call it these days)?
knickfan23
10-19-05, 10:19 PM
What about Comisky (or whatever they call it these days)?
They just messed that one in 1991. However, it looks alot better today then it did 5 years ago. That park was made one year prior to Camden Yards.
Big oops there.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 10:21 PM
Is FOX jinxing the Astros again with the World Series tease?
YankeeFan1
10-19-05, 10:22 PM
One more out.
YankeeFan1
10-19-05, 10:22 PM
Congrats to the Astros!
Are the Cards, the new Braves?
Great job Houston. Go all the way.
SoCal Pinstriper
10-19-05, 10:23 PM
Nice congratulations to the Astros.
YankeeFan1
10-19-05, 10:23 PM
Damn. Look at Andy celebrating. So wrong on so many levels. Whatever.
Luvtino
10-19-05, 10:24 PM
Congrats Astros!! WOO HOO!! :gulp:
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 10:24 PM
They just messed that one in 1991. However, it looks alot better today then it did 5 years ago. That park was made one year prior to Camden Yards.
Big oops there.
IIRC, they were handed the same blueprint as Camden Yards, but declined.
YankeeFan1
10-19-05, 10:24 PM
The Cards didn't lose because of injuries. They lost because their pitchers aren't as good as the Astros' pitchers, period.
NYYBombshell
10-19-05, 10:24 PM
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Cards didn't deserve to go; after that absolute choke-job last year against the Red Sox, they don't belong in the WS.
Congrats to the Astros, They showed some fortitude rebounding from that loss the other night.
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 10:24 PM
Congrats, Astros! :gulp:
Go, White Sox!!!!
knickfan23
10-19-05, 10:25 PM
Congrats to Houston. Helluva lot of guts by those guys tonight.
STL put off elmination for 48 hours.
Oswalt earned himself a big money contract with his performance tonight.
Onto the World Series in Chicago.
161 & River
10-19-05, 10:25 PM
What is the crowd chanting?
I bet all the Houston fans started breathing into paper bags at that 2-out single. :lol:
Congrats 'Stros!
Sheff_Rod
10-19-05, 10:26 PM
What is the crowd chanting?
Let's go Cardinals? I couldn't hear it very well.
Sheff_Rod
10-19-05, 10:27 PM
Congrats to the Astros.
Mattpat11
10-19-05, 10:27 PM
This is my worst nightmare. I have to now root for the Traitors or the White Sox
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 10:29 PM
Congrulations to the Houston Astros for their first NL pennant in franchise history.
Props to Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell, two of the franchise's greatest icons, for their first World Series appearance.
YankeeFan1
10-19-05, 10:29 PM
I plan to root for neither of them. Just hope for a good Series.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 10:30 PM
Let's go Cardinals? I couldn't hear it very well.
They chanted Let's Go Astros.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 10:31 PM
Let's go Cardinals? I couldn't hear it very well.
They were in fact chanting "Lets go Cardinals"
Its the last game ever at Busch.
Gringaloca
10-19-05, 10:31 PM
What about Comisky (or whatever they call it these days)?
Renamed: Celluar One Field 1/2003
http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/comis2.htm
I don't think the 'new Comiskey Park'...right across 35th Street from ol' Comiskey was a 'cookiecutter'..as it opened in 1991. I was impressed with the seating/concourses/picnic areas in CF when I visited in their inaugural Season. Saw the Yankees/WhiteSox game...Yankees WIN!!! :D
That's what the Cardinals get for messing with Texas.
PaulieIsAwesome
10-19-05, 10:32 PM
Congrats to a very good Stros team. Hopefully, we'll see an exciting World Series, and Roger and Andy will come out on top.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 10:33 PM
I hope this World Series is exciting. The White Sox who won 2 world championships seeking their 3rd title and their first since 1917 and the Astros for their first ever World Series.
Gringaloca
10-19-05, 10:33 PM
Oh BABY!!! This is the match-up I wanted!.. :)
GO CHISOX!!!... :D
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 10:34 PM
Oh BABY!!! This is the match-up I wanted!.. :)
GO CHISOX!!!... :D
I think this World Series: White Sox vs. Astros may go seven games. Hopefully, I can get a HUGE treat. :)
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 10:35 PM
My 2005 NLCS MVP pick: Roy Oswalt.
Coney36
10-19-05, 10:38 PM
Congrats to the Astros... :(
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 10:39 PM
Roy Oswalt is the 2005 NLCS MVP and well deserved. 2-0, 1.29 ERA, 12 K's.
Watching Clemens and Pettitte celebrate is sort of weird
MiamiKat
10-19-05, 10:42 PM
Clemens vs Contreras in Game 1 of the WS.
Shoot me.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 10:43 PM
Watching Clemens and Pettitte celebrate is sort of weird
Games 1 and 2 will be right there for you to see. I'll probably cheer for Pettitte more than Clemens though.
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 10:45 PM
Congrulations to the Houston Astros for their first NL pennant in franchise history.
Props to Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell, two of the franchise's greatest icons, for their first World Series appearance.
It must be especially gratifying for those two to finally make it to the WS, after all those years.
I still would like to see the ChiSox win it all, however.
Sheff_Rod
10-19-05, 11:11 PM
Oh BABY!!! This is the match-up I wanted!.. :)
GO CHISOX!!!... :D
I wanted Astros/Yankees :)
Zimmers' Helmet
10-19-05, 11:27 PM
I'll be watching and rooting for Andy and Roger.
I hope George is watching too...
rkh5donkey
10-19-05, 11:30 PM
:gulp: :clap: :gulp: :clap: :gulp: :clap: :gulp:
The Astros are going to the
World Series!!!
:gulp: :clap: :gulp: :clap: :gulp: :clap: :gulp:
WHOOOOOOOOOOO!
--a former Houstonian.
I had to miss this game because I had to go to see a very depressing movie. :(
I'm very happy with the World Series matchup (well, as happy as I can be considering the Yankees aren't in it). I'm rooting for the White Sox, but I wouldn't be too sad to see Houston win.
By the way ...since 1998, the Yankees have been to the World Series five times (winning three). How many other teams have been there more than once in that period? :confused:
Right. ;)
If you go back ten World Series to the beginning of the current "run," in 1996, the Yankees have been in six of them (winning four) ... only two other teams (the Braves and the Marlins) have been in as many as two.
Stan Musial
10-20-05, 03:57 AM
Tip of the cap to the Astros. They outplayed (especially outpitched) the Cardinals and deserve to go to the Series. It hurts like hell..but, I'll move on.
One side note..the umpires in this series were awful. MLB was so worried that Cuzzi was dropped from Game 6. Also, Gibson, tonight at 2B, killed the Cardinals. Yadier Molina was safe..called him out. Instead of bases juiced..no outs..Cards had 1st and 3rd one out. That was a killer.
As I've mentioned before..Roy Oswalt is the best pitcher in the NL and one of the top 3 pitchers in baseball..and he proved it tonight. 5 innings of no-hit ball and 3 hits all night. He was lights out..Mulder, the exact antithesis.
Next year...and watch for a young fireballer named Anthony Reyes. Played at USC with Prior and he's got great stuff.
Stan Musial
10-20-05, 03:58 AM
BTW...I hope the ChiSox destroy the Asstros. The Astros hitting with RISP (before tonight) was pathetic (as was the Cardinals)..I have a feeling that is going to come back and kill them in the series. Plus, I cant stand the thought of Andy Pettitte and Clemens winning anything..not two ball players I despise more than them.
Babe Rules
10-20-05, 05:48 AM
Congrats Houston! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Where are all the Pujols lovers now?
rkh5donkey
10-20-05, 08:02 AM
Where are all the Pujols lovers now?
Pujols is still fantastic, but all that talk about that homer shifting the momentum was killing me.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually agreed with Bob Brenley ( :eek: ) at the start of last nights game. He said a lot of people are talking about "momentum" and how the Astros are done because of the psychological impact of the Pujols homerun, but that's bull. The key to this game will be Oswalt end of story, he said. And he was right.
Then he said something moronic and the world was back to normal.
Do you think all the hundreds of sportswriters who said the Astros were done (like that asshat Simmons) will eat crow? Will they change their opinion of how series are won?
Man I sound like Phil Mushnick now. I need some coffee.
hobokenfish
10-20-05, 08:48 AM
One side note..the umpires in this series were awful. MLB was so worried that Cuzzi was dropped from Game 6. Also, Gibson, tonight at 2B, killed the Cardinals. Yadier Molina was safe..called him out. Instead of bases juiced..no outs..Cards had 1st and 3rd one out. That was a killer.
It was a bad call, but I wouldn't say it killed them. Perhaps it would have changed the dynamic of the game, but the next two guys made outs. Plus, on a bouncer to the pitcher, it would have been a big break anyway. But you are right -- the umpiring this postseason has been awful. Just terrible.
Congratulations to the Astros. So much for momentum. I thought they'd be too devastated to win in St. Louis, but they put it behind them and went out and took that game. And in the process, Roy Oswalt has established himself as one of the elite pitchers in MLB. I knew he was very, very good, but he has proven himself to be one of the best. As for Mulder, I just don't think he's a big game pitcher.
Pujols is still fantastic, but all that talk about that homer shifting the momentum was killing me.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually agreed with Bob Brenley ( :eek: ) at the start of last nights game. He said a lot of people are talking about "momentum" and how the Astros are done because of the psychological impact of the Pujols homerun, but that's bull. The key to this game will be Oswalt end of story, he said. And he was right.
Then he said something moronic and the world was back to normal.
Do you think all the hundreds of sportswriters who said the Astros were done (like that asshat Simmons) will eat crow? Will they change their opinion of how series are won?
Man I sound like Phil Mushnick now. I need some coffee.
Oh I agree Pujols is the best hitter in baseball but from hearing the comments after game 5 it was as if Pujols was God or something. I'm gald he didn't do anything last night expect make out after out.
Circle Change
10-20-05, 07:18 PM
Oh I agree Pujols is the best hitter in baseball but from hearing the comments after game 5 it was as if Pujols was God or something. I'm glad he didn't do anything last night expect make out after out.
No kidding, I don't recall there being such a big deal made about someone hitting such an awful, awful gimme pitch out of the park. Of course, because he's Pujols it traveled a lot further than most would, but I'd still expect the average MLB level hitter to smash it out of Minute Maid.
Stan Musial
10-20-05, 09:04 PM
No kidding, I don't recall there being such a big deal made about someone hitting such an awful, awful gimme pitch out of the park. Of course, because he's Pujols it traveled a lot further than most would, but I'd still expect the average MLB level hitter to smash it out of Minute Maid.
Sure, guy...like almost any MLBer could have hit that out of the JuiceBox. That was not as big of give me pitch as you let on. And, I would not expect the average player to hit a HR off it. Maybe the upper 25% of player, but not the average. Exaggerated point of yours, but with shades of validity.
YankeeFan1
10-20-05, 09:11 PM
Where are all the Pujols lovers now? I'm here. You have a problem with that? LOL! Pujols can't come through all the time, any more than Bonds or oops ... Alex can. Great hitters are able to do things that regular hitters can't most of the time. Pujols is still the second best player not named Bonds and nothing changes that fact.
YankeeFan1
10-20-05, 09:13 PM
Pujols is still fantastic, but all that talk about that homer shifting the momentum was killing me.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually agreed with Bob Brenley ( :eek: ) at the start of last nights game. He said a lot of people are talking about "momentum" and how the Astros are done because of the psychological impact of the Pujols homerun, but that's bull. The key to this game will be Oswalt end of story, he said. And he was right. I agree. I never bought that the Astros were done because of that home run, myself. In baseball momentum is only as good at the next day's pitcher.
YankeeFan1
10-20-05, 09:22 PM
No kidding, I don't recall there being such a big deal made about someone hitting such an awful, awful gimme pitch out of the park. Of course, because he's Pujols it traveled a lot further than most would, but I'd still expect the average MLB level hitter to smash it out of Minute Maid.Riiiiight. This is the old "anyone could have hit that ball" argument given when Bonds or Pujols or even Alex does anything amazing. There are magical moments in baseball and Pujols hitting that home run was one of those. To just take that attitude that "anyone" could have hit that ball and not appreciate how difficult it was hit that pitch in that moment and to send it out of the park even for a great player like Pujols means that you missed the magic. It is like that moment in "The Natural" when Roy Hobbs hits that ball into the lights and instead to staring in awe with the rest of us, you are the cynical sports reporter played by Robert Duvall.
I'm here. You have a problem with that? LOL! Pujols can't come through all the time, any more than Bonds or oops ... Alex can. Great hitters are able to do things that regular hitters can't most of the time. Pujols is still the second best player not named Bonds and nothing changes that fact.
I'm not a Pujols hater and I agree with you about him being second best to Bonds but after the HR the way people were acting...I was like "wow". I guess it was all the A-rod bashing that made me upset.
ChewieTobbacca
10-21-05, 03:14 AM
Did you say second best player not named Bonds?
He's defenitely the best not named Bonds in my book and I don't want to get into a numbers war, esp. if A-Rod is being labeled the best not named Bonds, but the numbers are in the favor of Pujols by a long way
Did you say second best player not named Bonds?
He's defenitely the best not named Bonds in my book and I don't want to get into a numbers war, esp. if A-Rod is being labeled the best not named Bonds, but the numbers are in the favor of Pujols by a long way
I said he's the second best player in baseball. Bonds being the best.
Circle Change
10-21-05, 05:58 PM
Sure, guy...like almost any MLBer could have hit that out of the JuiceBox. That was not as big of give me pitch as you let on. And, I would not expect the average player to hit a HR off it. Maybe the upper 25% of player, but not the average. Exaggerated point of yours, but with shades of validity.
It was probably more of a give me pitch than I let on. It was god awful, and Pujols being the king of crushing god awful pitches better than anybody in the game destroyed it. I do salute him for it, because nobody can do that with nearly as much frequency and that's why he's on his way to the Hall of Fame. Perhaps I did exaggerate somewhat, but I won't retract from what an awful pitch it was.
Riiiiight. This is the old "anyone could have hit that ball" argument given when Bonds or Pujols or even Alex does anything amazing. There are magical moments in baseball and Pujols hitting that home run was one of those. To just take that attitude that "anyone" could have hit that ball and not appreciate how difficult it was hit that pitch in that moment and to send it out of the park even for a great player like Pujols means that you missed the magic. It is like that moment in "The Natural" when Roy Hobbs hits that ball into the lights and instead to staring in awe with the rest of us, you are the cynical sports reporter played by Robert Duvall.
I don't say that when Bonds does something amazing, because he truly is. (not to say Pujols isn't). I actually never bothered to watch the natural and get to see plenty of magic every fifth day or whenever I pop in an old Pedro start from '99 or '00.
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