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Soriambi
10-17-05, 10:58 PM
Amazing ending, and what a shot by Pujols. I'd be awfully concerned if I was an Astros fan right now. The Stros must be so demoralized, and the Cards have new life. Garner has a lot of work to do to get them ready for Game 6, to remind them that today was one game and if they win the next one they move on, as well.
dabomb2045
10-17-05, 10:58 PM
Phil Garner looks like he wants to cry. Heh.
I do feel really bad for Astros fans right now....1 strike away...waited 45 years...and then have it ripped away
thats rough
knickfan23
10-17-05, 10:58 PM
If I were the Astros, I would trade Lidge ASAP... to Boston... for David Wells. But that's just me. :)
I guess that means Lidge cant pitch for the Yankees anymore. He chokes like Tom Gordon in the postseason. Get BJ Ryan instead.
jonnyc39
10-17-05, 10:58 PM
Wow. Incredible moment. That's up there with the top hits ever in baseball history.
I was stunned. Wow.
Congrats to the Cardinals...I was rooting for Houston, but I love to see a game like that.
Just wow.
My thoughts exactly on all counts.
dabomb2045
10-17-05, 10:59 PM
Amazing ending. I'd be awfully concerned if I was an Astros fan right now. The Stros must be so demoralized, and the Cards have new life. Garner has a lot of work to do to get them ready for Game 6, to remind them that today was one game and if they win the next one they move on, as well.
you wonder if this could be another 1986 ALCS situation....the Angels flew back to Boston for Games 6 and 7, but they really left their souls in Anaheim...they were a beaten team
YankeeFan1
10-17-05, 10:59 PM
Pujols' D is also vastly improving. He has a GREAT approach at the plate and like you said, gotta love a power hitter that rarely strikes out.
If I'm starting a team, I'll build it around Pujols. Nobody is even close, IMHO. Pujols is a wonderful power hitter. If Alex could just strike out less, he would be in Pujols' league. My only reservation about Pujols is that I am suspicious about his true age. Aside from that he is a stud.
True Yankee-ette13
10-17-05, 11:00 PM
I do feel really bad for Astros fans right now....1 strike away...waited 45 years...and then have it ripped away
thats rough
I loathe that team and everybody on it. I'm not too fond of the Cards either due to my Cub-love, but alas...
knickfan23
10-17-05, 11:00 PM
Amazing ending, and what a shot by Pujols. I'd be awfully concerned if I was an Astros fan right now. The Stros must be so demoralized, and the Cards have new life. Garner has a lot of work to do to get them ready for Game 6, to remind them that today was one game and if they win the next one they move on, as well.
Why does he have to do that? He has Roy Oswalt pitching. Its not like football where he has to gather all the troops.
dabomb2045
10-17-05, 11:00 PM
Pujols is a wonderful power hitter. If Alex could just strike out less, he would be in Pujols' league. My only reservation about Pujols is that I am suspicious about his true age. Aside from that he is a stud.
ARod's swing is too long sometimes, and he also doesnt cut down it with 2 strikes
YankeeFan1
10-17-05, 11:01 PM
Phil Garner looks like he wants to cry. Heh. He better get over that quick or it will filter down to his team. That is also the thing I like about Torre. He is never too high when the Yankees win or too low when they lose a game in a series. He only lets himself openly express strong emotion after the series.
hobokenfish
10-17-05, 11:01 PM
the Cards are going to win this series now.....mark it down
Agreed. Just wow. One strike away from the World Series, and then a seeing eye single...then a walk...then one of the biggest homers you will ever see. That was just devastating to Houston. I just don't see them brushing that off and closing the series out. Then again, Oswalt and Clemens might have something to say about that.
dabomb2045
10-17-05, 11:01 PM
I loathe that team and everybody on it. I'm not too fond of the Cards either due to my Cub-love, but alas...
I feel bad for guys like Biggio and Bagwell
Kulish29
10-17-05, 11:01 PM
C'mon, who didnt see that homer coming?
It's 1986 all over again. Clemens might go from being on the winning end to the losing end though. Wow. I'm stunned. I remember 1986 like it was yesterday and when the Sox won Game 5, I had no doubt they'd win the next two. It'll be tough for the Astros to bounce back.
YankeeFan1
10-17-05, 11:02 PM
Damn. Look at the wrap Carpenter's arm and elbow. He owes Pujols for saving him.
CTSoxFan
10-17-05, 11:03 PM
It's 1986 all over again. Clemens might go from being on the winning end to the losing end though. Wow. I'm stunned. I remember 1986 like it was yesterday and when the Sox won Game 5, I had no doubt they'd win the next two. It'll be tough for the Astros to bounce back.
It'd be a real crying shame to see Clemens on the losing end of this.
Why, oh why, do bad things happen to good people?
It's 1986 all over again. Clemens might go from being on the winning end to the losing end though. Wow. I'm stunned. I remember 1986 like it was yesterday and when the Sox won Game 5, I had no doubt they'd win the next two. It'll be tough for the Astros to bounce back.I get that feeling, too. Momentum is a crazy be-otch.
YankeeFan1
10-17-05, 11:04 PM
ARod's swing is too long sometimes, and he also doesnt cut down it with 2 strikes I sometimes wonder about his eye as well. How much is he guessing versus actually seeing the ball? Some of the pitches Alex swings at, you would never see Pujols or Bonds swinging at those pitches unless they are in a slump.
C'mon, who didnt see that homer coming?
I'm just trying to get my head around walking Edmonds. For one, he's been struggling big time, and at worse even if he homers he would have been the tying run, by walking him you put the go ahead run at the plate in the form of the best hitter in baseball. One of the worst walks of all time.
YankeeFan1
10-17-05, 11:05 PM
LOL! The silence after Pujols' home run was precious. Reminds me of the silence the Yankees supporters in the stands and the players talked about after Buckey Dent's home run.
dabomb2045
10-17-05, 11:05 PM
I sometimes wonder about his eye as well. How much is he guessing versus actually seeing the ball? Some of the pitches Alex swings at, you would never see Pujols or Bonds swinging at those pitches unless they are in a slump.
he guesses ALOT...there is no doubt about that
Pujols is more of a see it and react type hitter...Alex is a guess hitter
hobokenfish
10-17-05, 11:06 PM
I'm just trying to get my head around walking Edmonds. For one, he's been struggling big time, and at worse even if he homers he would have been the tying run, by walking him you put the go ahead run at the plate in the form of the best hitter in baseball. One of the worst walks of all time.
Yep. Lidge just got caught up in the moment and was overthrowing. It will be very interesting to see if he comes back from this. I don't think Wohlers ever did.
BroadwayBomber55
10-17-05, 11:06 PM
It's 1986 all over again. Clemens might go from being on the winning end to the losing end though. Wow. I'm stunned. I remember 1986 like it was yesterday and when the Sox won Game 5, I had no doubt they'd win the next two. It'll be tough for the Astros to bounce back.
Especially with the inept offense the Astros have and the loud fans in Busch.
This is the hottest rivalry in baseball, IMHO: Cardinals vs. Astros.
Coney36
10-17-05, 11:06 PM
C'mon, who didnt see that homer coming?
Well, I wouldn't say I saw it coming, but I was definitely praying for it.
chanman7483
10-17-05, 11:07 PM
It's clear to me that the ball Pujols hit is now peacefully orbiting the earth, hundreds of miles into space. Wow.
BroadwayBomber55
10-17-05, 11:07 PM
I'm just trying to get my head around walking Edmonds. For one, he's been struggling big time, and at worse even if he homers he would have been the tying run, by walking him you put the go ahead run at the plate in the form of the best hitter in baseball. One of the worst walks of all time.
Brad Lidge had too much andrealine.
Epy7280
10-17-05, 11:08 PM
I'm a big believer in momentum is short series....right now the Cards have all of it, and the Astros are crushed
Their fans are still in the ballpark still wondering "why?"...
"They" are still wrong. Pujol has become a good 1st baseman and even though he doesn't have the speed, he such a better hitter than Alex that it makes him the superior player. Don't underrate the "not striking out as much" statistic.
Pujolos will never have the Defense or Range A-rod has. Pujolos has become a good 1st baseman yea but I dont see him winning many Glove Gloves. Pujolos has a great eye. A-rod really just need to focus on hitting better like that. That is what i used to dream about having Arod on our team.
C'mon, who didnt see that homer coming?
I knew it was coming ..... I told my friend that i bet Pujolos is waiting for the closer to try to be cute and throw a slider inside.. and thats when Pujolos will unload on that.
hobokenfish
10-17-05, 11:08 PM
This is the hottest rivalry in baseball, IMHO: Cardinals vs. Astros.
Hottest rivalry of the two teams still playing for a league championship. ;)
YankeeFan1
10-17-05, 11:09 PM
Lidge was wrong to walk Edmonds, but Garner should have had Lidge walk Pujols. The Astros should have tried for the double play, after all they had a run to give. I may be saying this as hindsight, but I don't think Garner would have had Lidge pitch to Bonds and he shouldn't have taken the chance with Pujols, especially when Lidge's control seemed shaky.
Epy7280
10-17-05, 11:10 PM
Lidge was wrong to walk Edmonds, but Garner should have had Lidge walk Pujols. The Astros should have tried for the double play, after all they had a run to give. I may be saying this as hindsight, but I don't think Garner would have had Lidge pitch to Bonds and he shouldn't have taken the chance with Pujols, especially when Lidge's control seemed shaky.
not even because they already had 2 outs .... they could of just loaded the bases for a force out at any bases.
hobokenfish
10-17-05, 11:10 PM
Lidge was wrong to walk Edmonds, but Garner should have had Lidge walk Pujols. The Astros should have tried for the double play, after all they had a run to give. I may be saying this as hindsight, but I don't think Garner would have had Lidge pitch to Bonds and he shouldn't have taken the chance with Pujols, especially when Lidge's control seemed shaky.
There were 2 outs, so there couldn't be a double play. And you don't put the tying run in scoring position with two outs.
You simply just do not hang a slider to Pujols.
BroadwayBomber55
10-17-05, 11:11 PM
Lidge was wrong to walk Edmonds, but Garner should have had Lidge walk Pujols. The Astros should have tried for the double play, after all they had a run to give. I may be saying this as hindsight, but I don't think Garner would have had Lidge pitch to Bonds and he shouldn't have taken the chance with Pujols, especially when Lidge's control seemed shaky.
Phil Garner is a manager that goes with his gut instincts. The defensive replacements worked on Sunday, but the Cardinals ain't goin' to fall for it twice.
What's the old sayin': Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
You don't walk Edmonds, you don't walk Pujols. Even Reggie Sanders could tie the game up or take the lead if the bases were loaded.
knickfan23
10-17-05, 11:12 PM
Especially with the inept offense the Astros have and the loud fans in Busch.
This is the hottest rivalry in baseball, IMHO: Cardinals vs. Astros.
Since 2002, the Cardinals and Astros have faced each other 64 times. Only 2nd to the Yanks and Red Sox.
The tally
Cardinals 32, Astros 32
YankeeFan1
10-17-05, 11:13 PM
he guesses ALOT...there is no doubt about that
Pujols is more of a see it and react type hitter...Alex is a guess hitter If Alex had Giambi's eye, he would be almost as good as Pujols or maybe just as good.
Epy7280
10-17-05, 11:13 PM
There were 2 outs, so there couldn't be a double play. And you don't put the tying run in scoring position with two outs.
You simply just do not hang a slider to Pujols.
Pujolos was waiting for that slider ..... esp after the first pitch he swung at that was a slider. I knew that if it was inside ...the ball was going out.
BroadwayBomber55
10-17-05, 11:14 PM
Pujolos was waiting for that slider ..... esp after the first pitch he swung at that was a slider. I knew that if it was inside ...the ball was going out.
I said it when Albert walked up to the plate. He has wide-eyes looking for a hanging slider or a first-pitch fastball.
Epy7280
10-17-05, 11:16 PM
he guesses ALOT...there is no doubt about that
Pujols is more of a see it and react type hitter...Alex is a guess hitter
I wouldn't say that he is a guess hitter..but more of a situational Hitter. At certain counts he will expect the ball at a certain location or if you threw 2 pitches inside he would look for the outside pitch next because most pitchers do that . I think he thinks too much up there trying to outsmart the pitcher rather than "see ball, hit ball"
YankeeFan1
10-17-05, 11:16 PM
Oops, I mean the force. I get what you all are saying, but I wouldn't have liked my chance with Lidge throwing more than pitching at that moment.
YankeeFan1
10-17-05, 11:18 PM
I just saw how Lidge went down after Pujols made contact. Lidge just knew that ball was out of there.
BroadwayBomber55
10-17-05, 11:19 PM
Let's see how Brad Lidge responds after giving up that HR to Pujols if it's a 1-run game in the 9th during Game 6 and he gets the ball...
terminator
10-17-05, 11:20 PM
It's 1986 all over again. Clemens might go from being on the winning end to the losing end though. Wow. I'm stunned. I remember 1986 like it was yesterday and when the Sox won Game 5, I had no doubt they'd win the next two. It'll be tough for the Astros to bounce back.
Thats exactly what I thought when it happened.
Epy7280
10-17-05, 11:20 PM
I said it when Albert walked up to the plate. He has wide-eyes looking for a hanging slider or a first-pitch fastball.
He would of been better just throwing Albert fast balls rather than sliders ... Esp inside. They should of just throw Pujolos away away and away. Nothing inside.. esp in that park where Pujolos with his strength hit a pop fly HR. Even if that Slider was inside I think Pujolos hits it out still ... he was waiting for it as you saw. He wasn't fooled or anything. He hit it and said "F*ck you" .. and walked off. I was like laughing.
BroadwayBomber55
10-17-05, 11:25 PM
Albert Pujols will be the NLCS MVP if the Cardinals come back and win this series.
Without Albert Pujols, the Cardinals will be nothing.
hobokenfish
10-17-05, 11:25 PM
Thats exactly what I thought when it happened.
I hope the Astros win the next game. I wanted them to win because of Pettitte, Clemens, Biggio, and Ausmus, but now I want them to win for Lidge. Just devastating. And unfortunately, it reminds me too much of Donnie Moore.
BroadwayBomber55
10-17-05, 11:27 PM
Texas and Washington are the only states that have yet to host the World Series.
BroadwayBomber55
10-17-05, 11:27 PM
I hope the Astros win the next game. I wanted them to win because of Pettitte, Clemens, Biggio, and Ausmus, but now I want them to win for Lidge. Just devastating. And unfortunately, it reminds me too much of Donnie Moore.
Well, I hope Brad Lidge forgets it like Mo instead of getting it in his head and then commit suicide like Donnie Moore did.
Soriambi
10-17-05, 11:29 PM
Why does he have to do that? He has Roy Oswalt pitching. Its not like football where he has to gather all the troops.
He shouldn't have to, in theory, but a turn of events like that can really kill a team's morale.
hobokenfish
10-17-05, 11:29 PM
Well, I hope Brad Lidge forgets it like Mo instead of getting it in his head and then commit suicide like Donnie Moore did.
Real nice.
By the way, Mo might have blown a few big saves in the playoffs, but nothing like this.
hobokenfish
10-17-05, 11:31 PM
Texas and Washington are the only states that have yet to host the World Series.
Really? How about Oregon, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, South/North Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc., etc.?
terminator
10-17-05, 11:33 PM
Real nice.
By the way, Mo might have blown a few big saves in the playoffs, but nothing like this.
I know it has happened obviously - the Alomar home-run - but I just can't imagine Mo giving up a home-run in a big spot. Especially a bomb like that. If Mo isn't sharp, you might get a couple of bloop broken bat hits, and maybe one solid groundball hit ... but a bomb like that?
No way.
knickfan23
10-17-05, 11:35 PM
Well, I hope Brad Lidge forgets it like Mo instead of getting it in his head.
It was like when Kim gave up the homer to Tino and then the homer to Jeter in the 10th in Game 4 - 2001.
Even when he came in the next night, I said, just get one baserunner on. Next thing you know, Brosius takes him deep.
hobokenfish
10-17-05, 11:36 PM
I know it has happened obviously - the Alomar home-run - but I just can't imagine Mo giving up a home-run in a big spot. Especially a bomb like that. If Mo isn't sharp, you might get a couple of bloop broken bat hits, and maybe one solid groundball hit ... but a bomb like that?
No way.
That's what I'm saying. Plus, he was money in '96 and had won a championship for the Yanks before he gave up that Alomar home run. He didn't dash the hopes of an entire city one strike away from its first WS appearance ever. And I'm not 100%, but I can't recall him blowing anything but 1-run saves in the playoffs. And certainly not a 3 run bomb like that.
YankeeFan1
10-17-05, 11:39 PM
That is why I said that Mariano Rivera is the only closer I would have trusted at against Pujols. Mo would have given up a broke bat single or a bloop or a walk, but it is highly unlikely that Pujols would have gotten a bead on the cutter like he did on Lidge.
hobokenfish
10-17-05, 11:41 PM
That is why I said that Mariano Rivera is the only closer I would have trusted at against Pujols. Mo would have given up a broke bat single or a bloop or a walk, but it is highly unlikely that Pujols would have gotten a bead on the cutter like he did on Lidge.
Exactly. And why? Mo does not throw a slider. That hanging slider is a closer's worst nightmare. You just don't see home runs like that against other pitches.
terminator
10-17-05, 11:42 PM
That's what I'm saying. Plus, he was money in '96 and had won a championship for the Yanks before he gave up that Alomar home run. He didn't dash the hopes of an entire city one strike away from its first WS appearance ever. And I'm not 100%, but I can't recall him blowing anything but 1-run saves in the playoffs. And certainly not a 3 run bomb like that.
My meory is a little bit hazy on this - but I think he blew a 2 run lead against Minnesota last year in the playoffs - Game 2 maybe? But the Yankees won any way.
Before the series started, I really didn't care who went to the WS - just wanted a close 7 game series. So I'm happy that the Cardinals won ... and I hope they win the next game.
I don't really want them to win the WS because then you'll never hear the end of it from Joe Morgan ... but after today's victory, its tough for a fan on the fence to not jump on their side.
knickfan23
10-17-05, 11:43 PM
Exactly. And why? Mo does not throw a slider. That hanging slider is a closer's worst nightmare. You just don't see home runs like that against other pitches.
Mark Wohlers says hello.
dabomb2045
10-17-05, 11:43 PM
That is why I said that Mariano Rivera is the only closer I would have trusted at against Pujols. Mo would have given up a broke bat single or a bloop or a walk, but it is highly unlikely that Pujols would have gotten a bead on the cutter like he did on Lidge.
agreed...usually when Mo gets beat its by a few broken bat bloopers...even Game 7 vs Arizona...Grace's ball was hard hit I'll admit, but it took an error by Mo...a blooper by Womack and a blooper by Gonzalez to beat him
terminator
10-17-05, 11:44 PM
That is why I said that Mariano Rivera is the only closer I would have trusted at against Pujols. Mo would have given up a broke bat single or a bloop or a walk, but it is highly unlikely that Pujols would have gotten a bead on the cutter like he did on Lidge.
Yeah, but Lidge might not be Mo, but he's the next best thing. And he had to pitch to Pujols.
Bad execution ....
knickfan23
10-17-05, 11:44 PM
agreed...usually when Mo gets beat its by a few broken bat bloopers...even Game 7 vs Arizona...Grace's ball was hard hit I'll admit, but it took an error by Mo...a blooper by Womack and a blooper by Gonzalez to beat him
That ball was hammered down the right field line.
hobokenfish
10-17-05, 11:45 PM
I don't really want them to win the WS because then you'll never hear the end of it from Joe Morgan ... but after today's victory, its tough for a fan on the fence to not jump on their side.
Here's a good reason to root for Houston: Tony LaRussa.
And why does Joe Morgan care so much?
hobokenfish
10-17-05, 11:46 PM
Mark Wohlers says hello.
And Jim Leyritz says good-bye. ;)
dabomb2045
10-17-05, 11:47 PM
That ball was hammered down the right field line.
it was more of a looping line drive....def not hit hard
terminator
10-17-05, 11:51 PM
Here's a good reason to root for Houston: Tony LaRussa.
And why does Joe Morgan care so much?
Its the anti-Moneyball thing for Morgan. He looks at the Cardinals as a small-ball team, which manufactures runs, hits and runs, steals bases, blah-blah .. things which "win playoff games". If I had a nickel for every time Morgan has said "I was talking to La Russa, and he said the game of baseball hasn't really changed much in the last 40 years", as a retort to the use of sabremetrics, etc in today's game - well I would at least have 10 bucks.
I'm not a huge fan of LaRussa, but I also think that Garner is the second coming of Bob Brenly. I've seen more moronic moves by him during the regular season (in the limited times I have watched them play), and last year's playoffs than by any other manager. A fool and his WS berth should be parted ...
knickfan23
10-17-05, 11:53 PM
And Jim Leyritz says good-bye. ;)
I do not believe Wohlers was ever the same pitcher after that homerun. Remember when he had problems throwing the ball to homeplate? It was sad to see. ATL had to release him and then was picked up by the Reds and eventually the Yanks. I think the Braves gave him one more shot but then he was out of baseball.
Very sad.
True Yankee-ette13
10-17-05, 11:55 PM
Damn. I just realized that Cubs fans might see their 2 biggest rival playing in the WS against each other. That's gotta s*ck. I wasn't alive in 1986 so I wouldn't know. :P
knickfan23
10-17-05, 11:57 PM
Its the anti-Moneyball thing for Morgan. He looks at the Cardinals as a small-ball team, which manufactures runs, hits and runs, steals bases, blah-blah .. things which "win playoff games". If I had a nickel for every time Morgan has said "I was talking to La Russa, and he said the game of baseball hasn't really changed much in the last 40 years", as a retort to the use of sabremetrics, etc in today's game - well I would at least have 10 bucks.
I'm not a huge fan of LaRussa, but I also think that Garner is the second coming of Bob Brenly. I've seen more moronic moves by him during the regular season (in the limited times I have watched them play), and last year's playoffs than by any other manager. A fool and his WS berth should be parted ...
You mean this..
http://sfweekly.com/Issues/2005-07-06/news/feature_print.html
Luvtino
10-17-05, 11:59 PM
Devastating loss for Houston. That could change the whole series. Astros need to wipe the slate clean and put this game behind them. If they go on to win the series the pain of this loss will be forgotten quickly. I am a little worried that this loss will get into their heads and the Cards will go on to win the series, but I hope not as I am pulling for the Astros.
jimmykey2
10-18-05, 12:02 AM
If Alex had Giambi's eye, he would be almost as good as Pujols or maybe just as good.
I don't think that's true. A-Rod has a very good eye, hence his high number of walks. The problem is he has a very long swing, so he's weaker against the inside fastball. I think the major difference between the 2 is Pujols ALWAYS makes solid contact, regardless of type/location of the pitch. He's far less likely to hit weak grounders to SS and 3B.
I Love Wang
10-18-05, 12:24 AM
Lidge should have gone in on Pujols, throwing nothing but fastballs, high and inside. Don't pitch around him, but don't give in to him.
I Love Wang
10-18-05, 12:27 AM
If Alex had Giambi's eye, he would be almost as good as Pujols or maybe just as good.
OPS+
Alex Rodriguez: 167
Albert Pujols: 167
ChewieTobbacca
10-18-05, 12:39 AM
OPS+
Alex Rodriguez: 167
Albert Pujols: 167
A-Rod: .307/.385/.577
Pujols: .332/.416/.621
A-Rod career OPS+: 145
Albert Pujols career OPS+: 169
A-Rod: 1592 games, 1367 RC
Pujols: 790 games, 757 RC
It's really not all that close in hitting at all, A-Rod tied his best year this year, this was Pujols' middle year
The big difference between A-Rod and Pujols is that while A-Rod can mash a bunch of home runs, he's not as great an all around hitter - high strikeout rate along with high number of walks, but not a lot of extra base hits other than homers. Pujols walks more than A-Rod now, strikes out fewer times than he walks, and hits doubles and homeruns at a high frequency along with being a batting title contender every year.
Pujols is an extremely similar hitter to DiMaggio
dabomb2045
10-18-05, 12:51 AM
A-Rod: .307/.385/.577
Pujols: .332/.416/.621
A-Rod career OPS+: 145
Albert Pujols career OPS+: 169
A-Rod: 1592 games, 1367 RC
Pujols: 790 games, 757 RC
It's really not all that close in hitting at all, A-Rod tied his best year this year, this was Pujols' middle year
The big difference between A-Rod and Pujols is that while A-Rod can mash a bunch of home runs, he's not as great an all around hitter - high strikeout rate along with high number of walks, but not a lot of extra base hits other than homers. Pujols walks more than A-Rod now, strikes out fewer times than he walks, and hits doubles and homeruns at a high frequency along with being a batting title contender every year.
Pujols is an extremely similar hitter to DiMaggio
agreed...ARod only had 29 doubles this year...while Pujols had over 40, and has hit over 50 before
Pujols gets more XBH and puts the ball in play more often...his swing has no holes
BroadwayBomber55
10-18-05, 01:22 AM
Really? How about Oregon, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, South/North Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc., etc.?
I'm talking about in terms of MLB clubs. Those states don't have a MLB club.
BroadwayBomber55
10-18-05, 02:10 AM
Real nice.
By the way, Mo might have blown a few big saves in the playoffs, but nothing like this.
And yet, Mo is one of the best postseason closers in baseball history. He's one of the most mentally tough closers in baseball.
IncredibleByNature
10-18-05, 02:11 AM
What a game.
WTG PUJOLS!!! :D
BroadwayBomber55
10-18-05, 02:11 AM
A-Rod: .307/.385/.577
Pujols: .332/.416/.621
A-Rod career OPS+: 145
Albert Pujols career OPS+: 169
A-Rod: 1592 games, 1367 RC
Pujols: 790 games, 757 RC
It's really not all that close in hitting at all, A-Rod tied his best year this year, this was Pujols' middle year
The big difference between A-Rod and Pujols is that while A-Rod can mash a bunch of home runs, he's not as great an all around hitter - high strikeout rate along with high number of walks, but not a lot of extra base hits other than homers. Pujols walks more than A-Rod now, strikes out fewer times than he walks, and hits doubles and homeruns at a high frequency along with being a batting title contender every year.
Pujols is an extremely similar hitter to DiMaggio
Agreed. A-Rod has a long, loopy swing. Pujols has power, but makes solid contact.
ChewieTobbacca
10-18-05, 02:29 AM
I remmeber one game this year where Smoltz or someone threw a hard fastball way on the outside of the plate (it was probably off the plate) and it was a good pitch - except Pujols crushed it to the opposite field for a home run. The man just has no holes in his swing.
berriYankee
10-18-05, 04:11 AM
Just curious... is anyone besides me here rooting for the Cards? I feel like a Red Sox fan in here, literally...
Yes, I am rooting for the Cardinals..It looks like we are in the minority, but I am definately not a red sox fan....
Cardinals will win this series....Lidge is done!!!!
:o :o :o :o :o
PittsburghYankeeFan
10-18-05, 04:16 AM
The problem wasn't totally with Pujols. It was walking Edmonds (.077 hitter against Lidge) ahead of him, getting too amped since the Astros were only one strike away from the WS (the Tom Gordon syndrome).
The seeds for this were set the night before, when the Cardinals had first and third with none out against Lidge and he got out of it.
This will be very tough for the light hitting Astros to overcome. However, you are only as good as your next starter...
PittsburghYankeeFan
10-18-05, 04:24 AM
Agreed. Just wow. One strike away from the World Series, and then a seeing eye single...then a walk...then one of the biggest homers you will ever see. That was just devastating to Houston. I just don't see them brushing that off and closing the series out. Then again, Oswalt and Clemens might have something to say about that.
Interesting...live by the HR, die by the HR. I mean, down 6-1 to the Braves in the eighth in Game 4 of the NLDS and they get a grand slam and then a barely over the line HR in the 9th, and then win in 18.
It's just that they were one strike away from their first WS ever...this has very bad reverse mojo written all over it.
What would happen on Wednesday if its 2-1 Astros, bottom of the ninth, Eckstein on base and Pujols at the plate with two out with Lidge pitching?
Stan Musial
10-18-05, 04:33 AM
What a game...
Being a Cards fan from birth..I never gave up on the team and with Pujols at the dish..I had faith.
But, as someone mentioned in an earlier reply, Eckstein really made that happen. Facing two strikes and Lidge..and he somehow gets a hit. Jimmy E. had great patience, as I can tell you..he normally would have hacked at a few of those pitches. Pretty sure that LaRussa was not giving him the green light as Lidge could not locate his FB for a strike. Many here said he shouldnt throw the slider..well, hindsight is nice, but, remember, he couldnt seem to find the strike zone on his fball which necessitated throwing the slider. Unfortunately, he happened to make a mistake to the best hitter in the game.
Momentum is huge in a short series and the Cards have it back. However, Oswalt, IMO, is the best pitcher in the NL. This will not be an easy win, but should Mulder be able to be the pitcher he is it should be a great game 6.
Lastly, I just dont understand the rampant dislike of the Cardinals on this site? And, what is even worse, most NYY fans are rooting for Clemens and Pettitte. WHY? Why would you root for two players that were embraced by the Yankee faithful and were successful here only to leave. Clemens..retiring and then signing with the Asstros? That seems like a slap in the face, especially seeing as Roger only wanted to win a WS and then he high-tailed it out of NY. Let's also not forget that Andy had a big hand in convincing Roger to become an Astro.
Seems to me you are cheering for a mercenary and a traitor. It's your choice, of course, I just find it ironic.
Cards in 7!!!
Mystic Merlyn
10-18-05, 05:37 AM
Sweet Jesus....
What a devastating loss for the 'Stros. They are done in this series IMO.
Stan Musial
10-18-05, 05:49 AM
Sweet Jesus....
What a devastating loss for the 'Stros. They are done in this series IMO.
One can only hope.:)
But, remember...Oswalt is pitching Game 6. He's, IMO, the best pitcher in the NL and it will be a hard fought game. If Cards win Game 6...bank it. Plus, Clemens in another Game 7 where he loses will be very, very sweet.
One can only hope.:)
But, remember...Oswalt is pitching Game 6. He's, IMO, the best pitcher in the NL and it will be a hard fought game. If Cards win Game 6...bank it. Plus, Clemens in another Game 7 where he loses will be very, very sweet.Makes perfect sense, which is why I'm picking the Astros to win in 7. Baseball is too unpredictable.
Texas and Washington are the only states that have yet to host the World Series.Rhode Island? Alaska? ;)
What would happen on Wednesday if its 2-1 Astros, bottom of the ninth, Eckstein on base and Pujols at the plate with two out with Lidge pitching?It could be déjà vu all over again! :eek: ;)
NYYfan24
10-18-05, 08:35 AM
Yes, I am rooting for the Cardinals..It looks like we are in the minority, but I am definately not a red sox fan....
Cardinals will win this series....Lidge is done!!!!
:o :o :o :o :o
I'm rooting for the Cardinals, also. I have a neighbor I dislike intensely who is a huge Astro's fan...that in itself is enough for me. The other reason is to stick it to all those sports writers who picked the Astro's to win it all! :)
hobokenfish
10-18-05, 08:36 AM
Lastly, I just dont understand the rampant dislike of the Cardinals on this site? And, what is even worse, most NYY fans are rooting for Clemens and Pettitte. WHY? Why would you root for two players that were embraced by the Yankee faithful and were successful here only to leave. Clemens..retiring and then signing with the Asstros? That seems like a slap in the face, especially seeing as Roger only wanted to win a WS and then he high-tailed it out of NY. Let's also not forget that Andy had a big hand in convincing Roger to become an Astro.
Seems to me you are cheering for a mercenary and a traitor. It's your choice, of course, I just find it ironic.
If that's what you think, then you don't understand the history of these players or the appreciation of Yankee fans in general. I think many Yankee fans agree that Pettitte left mostly because Steinbrenner wouldn't show him the love that he shows for free agents on other teams. The Yanks failed to lock him up, and he decided to go home. And in the end, it was for less money. So you can't call him a mercenary. Regardless of the terms on which he left New York, Pettitte was a major part of one of baseball's best dynasties. Many fans simply appreciate what he did here, and want to see him succeed elsewhere as well. Same with Clemens, who has a good deal with the Astros that would not be feasible in NY.
Plus, for me, I want to see Craig Biggio go to the World Series and not Tony LaRussa.
iWant27
10-18-05, 09:26 AM
wow , what a devastating loss for Astros . Just 1 strike away to go to the world series . Just 1 strike . Amazing how this game changes . I could see all the people in the stadium were just stunned . How can you mess that up . Just 1 strike away .
SubwayFanatic
10-18-05, 09:47 AM
Pujols's home run swing is a thing a beauty. I love watching him crush one.
Don Mattingly
10-18-05, 09:52 AM
I wish A-Rod could hit like Pujols. They said when he struck out with a runner on 3rd earlier in the game, that was only the 5th time he had made out in that situation the whole year. That's clutch.
penfold
10-18-05, 12:03 PM
When Pujols crushed that homer, I just broke out laughing. It was soooo funny to me. I laughed so hard that I started choking. That was SUCH a classic baseball moment. I loved it.
(And, yes, these moments are easier to take when they don't involve the Yankees... but they're so much sweeter when it's the Yankees who come from behind to take it all!)
Babe Rules
10-18-05, 12:16 PM
I wish A-Rod could hit like Pujols. They said when he struck out with a runner on 3rd earlier in the game, that was only the 5th time he had made out in that situation the whole year. That's clutch.
Pujols is the best hitter in the game.
whalers
10-18-05, 12:23 PM
Alberts HR was awesome that guy is clutch. One other observation from last night was Berkman's HR. That is the reason I hate that Ballpark. A 330 ft decently hit line drive into the LF becomes a HR. I could understand if he had pulled it straight down the line but that was closer to the power alley than the line. if you are going to build a want to be Green Monster at least make it higher or deeper.
SpecMotors
10-18-05, 01:10 PM
One can only hope.:)
But, remember...Oswalt is pitching Game 6. He's, IMO, the best pitcher in the NL and it will be a hard fought game. If Cards win Game 6...bank it. Plus, Clemens in another Game 7 where he loses will be very, very sweet.
I think Oswalt and Clemens are better than the Angels' Game 6 and 7 pitchers in '86, McCaskill and Candelaria, but those two guys were 17-10 and 10-2 and got their heads handed to them. I think it's done and the Cards are rolling in these last two games.
YankeeFan1
10-18-05, 01:50 PM
It's the next day and I'm still having a good laugh over Pujols' homer. The looks on Nolan Ryan and Bush's face along with the stunned looks on the Astros' fans and players' faces were simply priceless. The cry of anguish and then the silence after the home run were classic. LOL! Great stuff. Sports is theatre.
Mezmerize
10-18-05, 02:09 PM
Pujols! Da' Man!
rkh5donkey
10-18-05, 02:46 PM
It's the next day and I'm still having a good laugh over Pujols' homer. The looks on Nolan Ryan and Bush's face along with the stunned looks on the Astros' fans and players' faces were simply priceless. The cry of anguish and then the silence after the home run were classic. LOL! Great stuff. Sports is theatre.
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
It was tough.
Couple of things from the Sports Guy about this series I thought were funny
• I had trouble taking the Astros-Cards series seriously because of Minute Maid Park -- between the 300-foot homers to left field (like Lance Berkman's ridiculous homer Monday night, which almost seemed like a check swing) and the hill in center, it's just a little too gimmicky for my liking. For instance, one of the key plays in Game 4 was Tavarez's climbing that hill for an inning-saving catch in the eighth. Sure, it was fun to watch -- but wasn't that the equivalent of Tiger making a key putt on 16 in the Masters, only if there was a windmill in front of the hole (like a miniature golf course)? Would that ever happen? I didn't watch enough of this series, but I heard a rumor that they put a temporary alligator pit in right field for Game 3. Was that true?
• Which reminds me, has there ever been a team less excited for a season-saving homer than the St. Louis Cardinals? La Russa didn't even uncross his arms! Thank God this wasn't a sports movie, they would have had to re-film it. Unbelievable. I think La Russa has low levels of carbon dioxide pumped into the St. Louis dugout so nobody disturbs him during the game. Just a deadly boring team. I want to see them win a World Series just to see if they would (A) pour champagne on one another, or (B) shake hands and agree to bring two bottles apiece to their respective homes to celebrate quietly on their own terms.
BroadwayBomber55
10-18-05, 03:12 PM
Rhode Island? Alaska? ;)
I'm talkin' about states that have MLB clubs.
rkh5donkey
10-18-05, 03:36 PM
I'm talkin' about states that have MLB clubs. Heck, I should throw D.C. in the list.
1924 Senators.
YankeeFan1
10-18-05, 03:41 PM
I had to laugh at Simmons' comment about Pujols' age because I don't buy that Pujols is 25 years old either:
• Did you notice that Pujols, who's allegedly only 25 -- even though his 25-and-under stats dwarf the 25-and-under stats of pretty much everyone in the history of baseball -- is already going bald? Nobody's questioning this? Even John Cusack and Nic Cage had hair when they were 25.
(Put it this way: If Pujols is 25, and LeBron is 20, and Freddie Adu is 16 ... I'd like to announce that I turned 28 last month.)
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/051018
ChewieTobbacca
10-18-05, 04:10 PM
As possible as it is he isn't 25, there's also the fact he attended high school and then community college here in the states - plus he has always had his hair short so I don't know if he's going bald or not.
YankeeFan1
10-18-05, 04:50 PM
I just saw Andy Pettitte looking at the Pujols' home run going out and clearly saying, "Oh my God." LOL! Seriously, this is just keeps getting funnier.
26 and counting
10-18-05, 05:04 PM
I recorded the game on my DVR, and I just went back and watched everything from Berkman's home run in the 7th until the end. It's unbelievable what happened. The Astros players and their fans were already in celebration mode, and the Cardinals looked completely dead. The turnaround was incredible, like the '86 Mets vs. Red Sox.
ryanm1058123
10-18-05, 06:15 PM
I gotta admit. I'm usually a Thom Brennamen(sp?) critic but he really nailed that call on the HR. Great job.
Babe Rules
10-18-05, 06:15 PM
(Put it this way: If Pujols is 25, and LeBron is 20, and Freddie Adu is 16 ... I'd like to announce that I turned 28 last month.)
:lol:
I was rooting for the Astros until Pujols cam up to bat. Then I wanted to see the HR just to see the looks on the face of the Astros fans. It was utterly priceless.
Stan Musial
10-18-05, 09:34 PM
One last thought...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/twe_fireman/astros.jpg
Stan Musial
10-18-05, 09:38 PM
If that's what you think, then you don't understand the history of these players or the appreciation of Yankee fans in general. I think many Yankee fans agree that Pettitte left mostly because Steinbrenner wouldn't show him the love that he shows for free agents on other teams. The Yanks failed to lock him up, and he decided to go home. And in the end, it was for less money. So you can't call him a mercenary. Regardless of the terms on which he left New York, Pettitte was a major part of one of baseball's best dynasties. Many fans simply appreciate what he did here, and want to see him succeed elsewhere as well. Same with Clemens, who has a good deal with the Astros that would not be feasible in NY.
Plus, for me, I want to see Craig Biggio go to the World Series and not Tony LaRussa.
from what I read, Pettitte left because his wife was not comfortable in NY and wanted to be back with her family. I can understand and appreciate what Andy did for the Yankees, although, in reality he bailed on the team. Just an opinion and I know it differs.
As to your Clemens comment..mercenary pure and simple. He only wanted a ring and then once he had it he left. Sure, he said he was going to retire..but, did he? You can think whatever you like, but the fact that he is still pitching speaks volumes about his character and his feeling for the pinstripes.
I like Biggio, just not enough to want him to get a title over the Cardinals. Plus, sorry to say, but I want Albert Pujols to get the ring more than anyone.
BroadwayBomber55
10-18-05, 09:40 PM
1924 Senators.
(Slams on brakes)....(checked it)...yep. You're right. So, Texas and Washington are the only states in terms of MLB clubs that never hosted a World Series.
Carissa
10-18-05, 09:53 PM
One last thought...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/twe_fireman/astros.jpg :lol: :lol: That's a funny picture.
expectTHEunexpected
10-18-05, 09:59 PM
Did anybody see what it said on the shirt Albert wore in the press conference?
"Who's your daddy?"
Hmmmmmm, too early for that don't you think?
knickfan23
10-18-05, 10:47 PM
Did anybody see what it said on the shirt Albert wore in the press conference?
"Who's your daddy?"
Hmmmmmm, too early for that don't you think?
Didnt Pujols steal that from the Yankees "Pedro collection"?
As to your Clemens comment..mercenary pure and simple. He only wanted a ring and then once he had it he left..Clemens pitched for the Yankees for five seasons, 1999-2003. In the first two years, he won World Series rings with the team. In the last three, he did not. That doesn't sound like "once he had it [a ring], he left" to me.
Archer1979
10-18-05, 11:02 PM
One last thought...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/twe_fireman/astros.jpg
I feel bad for those people.
I've been those people.
But that picture kills! :lol:
ryanm1058123
10-18-05, 11:10 PM
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1293/minutemaid1jt.jpg
PeteRFNY
10-18-05, 11:35 PM
All I gotta say is WOW. That was probably the most amazing comeback I've seen in a game since the Yankees "Daddy'd Up" Pedro in 2003 ACLS Game 7! Holy cannoli!
I came in to check out the thread because I wanted to see the reactions to the game (since I was in bed watching it at the time) and I am amazed to find out some things:
1) A *LOT* of y'all are rooting for the Astros...kinda surprising. I'm sort of leaning slightly Astro, but only because I'm still PO'd at the Cardinals for the way they grabbed thier ankles against the Red Sox last year, but I'm mainly ambivalent. Plus, I'm still a tiny bit annoyed at Clemens for costing us a draft pick with his phony "retirement". Whoever wins, so be it.
2) I can't believe there's actually ONE THING I agree with Joe Morgan about (see earlier in the thread). I guess it's true: we all have something in common with each other, even if it's only hair color...or number of toes.
3) Watching Pettitte pitch last night brought a few things to mind: One, he just shouldn't bother with that beard thing. He looks like a 15 year-old trying to cultivate enough fuzz to fool the clerk at One Stop Liquors into letting him buy a four-pack of Jack Daniels Downhome Punch and a lottery ticket. Two, what's with his upper-torso these days? He looks like a huge trunk on legs. In fact...he looks a little like...Clemens.
And speaking of Andrew Eugene...
It never should have gotten to that point where he got to free agency. They should have resigned him during the 03 season or prior to it.
As I recall it, the Yankees were interested in re-signing Pettitte...but he had gone through a few DL stints his last couple of years with the team, and the hot rumor at the time was that they wanted him to get an MRI or some other kind of arm exam BEFORE making an offer - which he refused to do.
Initially, this seemed like a smart move when his elbow went south the next season and he went on the DL. But who knows?
SoCal Pinstriper
10-19-05, 08:20 AM
I had to laugh at Simmons' comment about Pujols' age because I don't buy that Pujols is 25 years old either:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/051018 Simmons also expressed two things that I've always felt, but just never been able to quite put my finger on.
Which reminds me, has there ever been a team less excited for a season-saving homer than the St. Louis Cardinals? La Russa didn't even uncross his arms! Thank God this wasn't a sports movie, they would have had to re-film it. Unbelievable. I think La Russa has low levels of carbon dioxide pumped into the St. Louis dugout so nobody disturbs him during the game. Just a deadly boring team. I want to see them win a World Series just to see if they would (A) pour champagne on one another, or (B) shake hands and agree to bring two bottles apiece to their respective homes to celebrate quietly on their own terms.
Despite having a couple of their players on my fantasy rosters, and despite the fact that I recognize that the Cardinals have been far and away the best team in the NL for the past two years, I just couldn't bring myself to watch more than isolated ABs on MLBEI this year. They really bore me to death.
(Note: I love rooting against La Russa and have no idea why. Even read Buzz Bissinger's La Russa book just to be annoyed by him some more. I think it's solely because of the announcers and writers who constantly talk about what a genius he is, but it also might be his hair. It's one or the other.) I too have always loved to pull against Tony LaRussa for no good reason, and have felt that way going back to his days with the A's. I know that he is a top tier mgr., and I really respect his work for animal shelters. It may be the genius label, it could be the occasional snaps (like when he was asked by a reporter what kind of reception he thought McGwire would get at the Busch closing festivities), but maybe Simmons has it right; it's the hair. :eek:
Anyway, I don't read Simmons that much (too much NBA and Red Sox stuff), but I thought that this column was a particularly good effort, and I agree with him. Go Astros!
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 05:06 PM
Game 6: Mulder vs Oswalt.
rkh5donkey
10-19-05, 05:08 PM
Go Roy! :cheer:
My brother began losing his hair as early as 18, and by the time he was 25-26, he was practically bald. So, the idea that you can't be 25 and balding is ludicrous.
Those pics are too funny. If only Pujols could've done that against boston last year.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 06:54 PM
Those pics are too funny. If only Pujols could've done that against boston last year.
You mean A-Rod?
Circle Change
10-19-05, 07:30 PM
Those pics are too funny. If only Pujols could've done that against boston last year.
Pujols didn't see any pitches in the 2004 World Series that were nearly as bad as the slider Brad Lidge threw him on Monday night. Not really understanding the shock and awe about this... he's probably the best in the game at hitting hanging breaking balls. A-Rod is most likely second in that department. Barry Bonds is a completely different animal.
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 07:32 PM
Let's Go Cards!!!
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:33 PM
1-2-3 Inning for Mulder to start the game.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 07:34 PM
I still believe that outside of The Stadium, Busch Stadium would be the best stadium to go to for a game. I was busy and couldnt go to STL for the Yanks series. It'll be sad when they tear the place down after this season.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 07:37 PM
FYI - Oswalt is a FA after the 2006 season.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:37 PM
Edmonds walks with one out in the 1st.
You mean A-Rod?
No I mean Pujols. I was looking forward to seeing Pujols rip the redsox pitching into shreds but alas it was really thier year.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:38 PM
FYI - Oswalt is a FA after the 2006 season.
Are you sure?
knickfan23
10-19-05, 07:39 PM
Are you sure?
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005_01_07_mlbcontracts_archive.html
But hey, we cant sign him anyway because he's an NL pitcher. Remember? :D
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 07:39 PM
FYI - Oswalt is a FA after the 2006 season.
I'd love to have him in pinstripes.
Woot! Oswalt makes Pujols look foolish.
Man that was a nasty pitch up and in to Albert for strike three.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:40 PM
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005_01_07_mlbcontracts_archive.html
But hey, we cant sign him anyway because he's an NL pitcher. Remember? :D
Hope he doesn't sign an extension this offseason.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:41 PM
Still 0-0 after 1 inning.
I hope Brad Lidge strikes out the side in the 9th for the save. He's too good to be remembered for his flukey Game 5.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:45 PM
Ensberg grounds to short. 1 out
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 07:45 PM
I hope Brad Lidge strikes out the side in the 9th for the save. He's too good to be remembered for his flukey Game 5.
Nevermind, I misread your post. :o
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:46 PM
Lane k's. 2 away.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 07:47 PM
Hope he doesn't sign an extension this offseason.
Well see. But I see him as Mussina possible replacement. People say he isnt a big game pitcher, but he hasnt had many chances to prove his worth.
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 07:48 PM
Well see. But I see him as Mussina possible replacement. People say he isnt a big game pitcher, but he hasnt had many chances to prove his worth.
People say Oswalt isn't a big game pitcher?
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:48 PM
Burke K's. 1-2-3 for Mulder.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 07:50 PM
People say Oswalt isn't a big game pitcher?
Perhaps I listened to too much Mad Dog today. I couldnt believe he could think that.
While I cant personally call him top 10, he is certainly on that Zambrano, Zito, Harden, Colon, Buehrle level.
His playoff record is 3-0 with a 3.48 ERA. But he's allowed 50 baserunners in 33 IP. So its a legit question.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:53 PM
Sanders K's. 1 out.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:54 PM
Grudz grounds to 3rd. 2 outs.
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 07:54 PM
Perhaps I listened to too much Mad Dog today. I couldnt believe he could think that.
While I cant personally call him top 10, he is certainly on that Zambrano, Zito, Harden, Colon, Buehrle level.
His playoff record is 3-0 with a 3.48 ERA. But he's allowed 50 baserunners in 33 IP. So its a legit question.
I'd love to have him on my PS staff, but yeah, it's a legit question.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:55 PM
Nice play by Biggio. 1-2-3 for Oswalt.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:57 PM
Ausmus singles.
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 07:58 PM
Adam Everett looks like he belongs in High School.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 07:59 PM
Everett gets an infield hit. Runners on 1st and 2nd. 0 outs.
Astros with a chance to take the lead, 1st & 2nd no outs. Get the bunt down Roy.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:01 PM
Oswalt out on a sac bunt. Runners advance.
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 08:01 PM
Sack up, Mulder. Hold them to at least 1 run here.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 08:02 PM
Future Yankee?
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/HOU-oswalt.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/HOU-oswalt0.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/HOU-oswalt1.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/HOU-oswalt2.jpg
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 08:02 PM
It's Game 2 all over again.
Hold them to 2 here, Mark. Yeesh.
Sweet. Passed ball Astros take the lead.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:02 PM
WP. Ausmus scores. 1-0 Astros.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:03 PM
Biggio singles. 2-0 Astros.
Astros lead 2 zip. Keep the line moving.
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 08:04 PM
WTG Mulder. :barf:
Oh well, the White Sox will win it all (hopefully) anyways.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:04 PM
Nice caps knickfan :)
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:05 PM
Taveras lines out. 2 outs.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:07 PM
Nice plat by Eckstein. Side retired.
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 08:07 PM
Nice caps knickfan :)
Ditto.
Nice play, Eck!
C'mon Cards!!!
Astros hit the ball hard that inning but only get 2 runs.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:10 PM
Luna grounds out. 1 away.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 08:11 PM
Not one STL player has had a good swing vs. Oswalt tonight
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:11 PM
Mulder k's. 2 outs.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:12 PM
Eckstein HBP. 2 outs.
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 08:16 PM
Edmonds = Choke
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:16 PM
Edmonds pops out. Inning over.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:17 PM
No hitter for Oswalt after 3 innings.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:20 PM
Ensberg flies out. 1 out
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 08:21 PM
The White Sox will beat the Astros.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:21 PM
Lane homers! 3-0 Astros!
Bullpen up for St Louis. Mulder on a short leash.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:23 PM
Burke flies out. 2 outs.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:23 PM
Ausmus singles. 2 outs.
IncredibleByNature
10-19-05, 08:23 PM
Mulder can't get Ausmus out? Sheesh.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:24 PM
Everett flies out. Side retired.
The White Sox will beat the Astros.
You hope. This game isn't over yet.
SoCal Pinstriper
10-19-05, 08:27 PM
Oswalt is a gas to watch. I hope that he can keep mowing em down. Go Astros.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:29 PM
Pujols grounds to short. 1 out
knickfan23
10-19-05, 08:30 PM
Oswalt is a gas to watch. I hope that he can keep mowing em down. Go Astros.
So far, he definitely looks like he can pitch for me and the Yanks after next year.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:30 PM
Walker grounds to 3rd. 2 away.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 08:31 PM
LOL at the Budweiser "This day in history"
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:31 PM
So far, he definitely looks like he can pitch for me and the Yanks after next year.
No doubt about it.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:32 PM
Sanders k's. 1-2-3 for Oswalt.
Wow that was an impressive inning. Sanders simply had no chance and he probably new what was coming.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:33 PM
After 4, Oswalt still has a No-No bid.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 08:34 PM
No doubt about it.
Blew Sanders away. Just overpowering. I told people that there wouldnt need to be any motivation since Oswalt was pitching.
Not one ball hit out of the infield. 4 yrs for 52 million seems like the contract to me BR. What do you think?
Of course, the moment he signs, all you'll read is stuff about how small he is and how he will inevitably break down.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:36 PM
Oswalt flies out. 1 away.
SoCal Pinstriper
10-19-05, 08:38 PM
If you check the preseason NL CY threads, you'll see that he has always been one of my faves. I worry a little about his size (or lack thereof) as it relates to durability, but Yeah, sure. I'd buy off on RoyO in pinstripes.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:40 PM
Blew Sanders away. Just overpowering. I told people that there wouldnt need to be any motivation since Oswalt was pitching.
Not one ball hit out of the infield. 4 yrs for 52 million seems like the contract to me BR. What do you think?
Of course, the moment he signs, all you'll read is stuff about how small he is and how he will inevitably break down.
It would be an awesome deal for us.
Do you know if there's another good potential FA SP after next season? If he's the only one, he could get a little more.
Mulder can't get the job done.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:41 PM
Mulder walks Berkman. Runners on 1st and 2nd. 2 outs. Mulder out of the game.
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 08:42 PM
... 4 yrs for 52 million seems like the contract to me BR. What do you think?
Of course, the moment he signs, all you'll read is stuff about how small he is and how he will inevitably break down.
The fact that he becomes a FA the year after next, gives the Yankees some time to address other pressing needs.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:43 PM
LEt's see what Ensberg can do right here.
RhodeyYankee2638
10-19-05, 08:44 PM
How apt, playing The Final Countdown while making the pitching change
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:44 PM
The fact that he becomes a FA the year after next, gives the Yankees some time to address other pressing needs.
After next season Mussina's deal expires. The Yankees could use that money (or part of it) to sign Oswalt.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:45 PM
Thompson gets the job done. Inning over.
RhodeyYankee2638
10-19-05, 08:45 PM
After next season Mussina's deal expires. The Yankees could use that money (or part of it) to sign Oswalt.
If they want offense, i'd be willing to give up Sheff for Oswalt. I think he is that good
knickfan23
10-19-05, 08:47 PM
It would be an awesome deal for us.
Do you know if there's another good potential FA SP after next season? If he's the only one, he could get a little more.
I dont know if STL picked up Mulder's option for next year. But if they did, he would be a FA after 06.
Schmidt is a FA.
Beckett will be up for arbitration.
Garland is a FA.
Thats pretty much it as far as I can see. I dont know too much about the arbitration stuff, so I held out there.
But considering that Oswalt is a back to back 20 game winner and pitches 240 innings a year, he is definitely in line for "Pedro to the Mets" type of money.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 08:49 PM
The fact that he becomes a FA the year after next, gives the Yankees some time to address other pressing needs.
So WM, can I count you in on the "Roy to the Yanks after 06" wagon? :D
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 08:49 PM
There goes the no-no.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:50 PM
Yadier singles. 1st and 2nd no outs.
SoCal Pinstriper
10-19-05, 08:50 PM
It would be an awesome deal for us.
Do you know if there's another good potential FA SP after next season? If he's the only one, he could get a little more.
Actually, it looks like Oswalt will be short of six years service after '06
Roy Oswalt p
2 years/$16.9M (2005-06)
05:$5.9M, 06:$11M
Cy Young incentive ($0.5M for 1st, $0.35M for 2nd, $0.25M for 3rd)
avoided arbitration 2/05 ($7.8M-$6M)
1 year/$3.25M (2004), avoided arbitration 1/04
1 year/$0.5M (2003) 2/03
1 year/$0.3M (2002)
drafted 1996 (23- )
agent: Robert Garber
ML service: 3.149
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005_01_09_mlbcontracts_archive.html
Which would account for the fact that he appears on the '07 list:
http://www.mlb4u.com/0708FA.html
and not the '06 list
http://www.mlb4u.com/0607FA.html
St Louis has to get at least 1 here.
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 08:51 PM
So WM, can I count you in on the "Roy to the Yanks after 06" wagon? :D
Absolutely! The Yanks will need to fill Mussina's spot after the '06 season and he looks like one of the top candidates, at the moment.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:51 PM
I dont know if STL picked up Mulder's option for next year. But if they did, he would be a FA after 06.
They probably will. It's for around 7 Million IIRC.
RhodeyYankee2638
10-19-05, 08:51 PM
I was just reading, Oswalt wasa draft 10 years ago by the Astros in the 23rd round. Good lord, we coulda already had him
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:53 PM
Bad call by the umpire.
How could the ump see that tag?
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 08:53 PM
Looked safe to me.
yanksphan
10-19-05, 08:55 PM
Absolutely! The Yanks will need to fill Mussina's spot after the '06 season and he looks like one of the top candidates, at the moment.
I'm thinking 2017 is more probable than 2007. :D
knickfan23
10-19-05, 08:56 PM
Actually, it looks like Oswalt will be short of six years service after '06
Well I guess that sucks for us. We can officially get off the wagon then. As I look at their roster, 35 million will be saved after next year when Clemens (18 million) and Bagwell (17 million) are gone. So more than likely, Oswalt will remain with Houston.
But hey, Contreras will be a FA. Anyone want to get back on?
SoCal Pinstriper
10-19-05, 08:57 PM
See post #717 above. Oswalt, although not under contract for 2007 is not a free agent until after that season because he will not have enough service time.
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 08:57 PM
I'm thinking 2017 is more probable than 2007. :D
:-rofl-:
Of course. He will not meet the minimum age requirement until 2017.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 08:58 PM
J-Rod out on a sac fly. 3-1 Astros
yanksphan
10-19-05, 09:00 PM
I had a fantasy baseball draft this year where my 3rd pick I had a choice of RJ, Santana, and all the rest. I took Oswalt. People thought I was nuts...
20 wins nuts.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:02 PM
Eckstein K's. End of the 5th.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:04 PM
Marquis is on the game.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:05 PM
Lane grounds to short. 1 away.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:06 PM
Burke singles.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:07 PM
Let's go Ausmus!
knickfan23
10-19-05, 09:08 PM
Still cant believe these two teams since 2002 have met 64 times (playoffs included) going into tonight. They are the Yanks and the Sawx of the NL.
Tally:
Cardinals 32, Astros 32
Astros with a chance to get back that run.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:08 PM
Ausmus singles. Burke to 3rd.
WebsterMulligan
10-19-05, 09:08 PM
Squeeze play coming up.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:09 PM
Let's go Everett!!!
knickfan23
10-19-05, 09:10 PM
Squeeze play coming up.
Thats STL's play.
16 out of 19 times it worked for them this year.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:11 PM
Nice squeeze Everett!
knickfan23
10-19-05, 09:11 PM
That was a gutsy call.
The Yanks would have missed the sign. :D
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:12 PM
4-1 Astros
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:14 PM
Oswalt k's. Side retired.
Roy K's. Big hitters coming up for the Cardinals.
The Yanks would have missed the sign. :D
Yeah somehow the play would have failed.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:16 PM
Roy Oswalt needs to continue throwing quality strikes and make Albert Pujols hit with the bases empty.
For the Cards, they need the other guys around Pujols to hit effectively.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:17 PM
Edmonds, Pujols and Walker due up.
Babe Rules
10-19-05, 09:19 PM
Edmonds pops out. 1 away.
BroadwayBomber55
10-19-05, 09:19 PM
Jim Edmonds continues to struggle. 4-18 in this NLCS.
knickfan23
10-19-05, 09:19 PM
Edmonds weakly flys out.
Pujols up.
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