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jlw1980
05-15-08, 08:15 PM
Hugo Chavez hates US...he can take his Citgo gas & shuuuuuuve it..:DI'll take care of Chavez. :badass:
:lol:
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
05-16-08, 12:49 AM
Hugo Chavez hates US...he can take his Citgo gas & shuuuuuuve it..:D
That's a risk I'm willing to take.
I got gas on Wednesday at $3.99/gal.
By Thursday, it was up to $4.05/gal.
RhodyYanksFan
05-16-08, 08:18 AM
I got gas on Wednesday at $3.99/gal.
By Thursday, it was up to $4.05/gal.
The thing that pisses me off the 2nd most about this is that if/when oil prices start dropping $2-4 a day, no way will the prices at the gas station drop 5-7 cents a day like they rise now.
montrealer
05-16-08, 02:59 PM
The thing that pisses me off the 2nd most about this is that if/when oil prices start dropping $2-4 a day, no way will the prices at the gas station drop 5-7 cents a day like they rise now.
They never drop as much as they go up......
jlw1980
05-16-08, 05:10 PM
Saudis see no reason to raise oil production now
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080516/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bush_mideast
Dretti299
05-16-08, 05:27 PM
Saudis see no reason to raise oil production now
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080516/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bush_mideast
This is me not being surprised. :lol:
SalingerNY
05-16-08, 05:31 PM
Saudis see no reason to raise oil production now
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080516/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bush_mideast
I'm not sure why we would expect them to feel otherwise. We basically called them drug dealers a few years ago when the president said "America is addicted to oil."
Gringaloca
05-16-08, 07:22 PM
$3.799 this morning on my way to work. 3cents more than last Sat. morning.
I guess I should be glad it was only a .03 increase? NOT!!!
I'll use a full tank this weekend driving to the Keys & back.
B*tches..:P
YankeePride1967
05-16-08, 08:41 PM
Saudis see no reason to raise oil production now
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080516/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bush_mideast
The Saudi's feel that if we aren't doing what is needed to help ourselves (limit demand and increase supply by drilling in areas like the Gulf of Mexico but don't because it might affect the Florida tourism business) then why should they be asked to do something they don't want to do?
Gringaloca
05-16-08, 09:15 PM
The Saudi's feel that if we aren't doing what is needed to help ourselves (limit demand and increase supply by drilling in areas like the Gulf of Mexico but don't because it might affect the Florida tourism business) then why should they be asked to do something they don't want to do?
Not to single you out, Rick...but not drilling in the Gulf because it 'might' affect Florida tourism is a bullsh*t arguement.
The majority of tourism $$$$ is centralized around Orlando...as you well know..:D
Greenpeace & the environmentalist need to take a hard look at reality when it comes to USA oil production.. *steps off soapbox*
YankeePride1967
05-17-08, 09:20 AM
Not to single you out, Rick...but not drilling in the Gulf because it 'might' affect Florida tourism is a bullsh*t arguement.
The majority of tourism $$$$ is centralized around Orlando...as you well know..:D
Greenpeace & the environmentalist need to take a hard look at reality when it comes to USA oil production.. *steps off soapbox*
Well as I said, the argument about not drilling in the Gulf because of the tourism impact is the Saudi's argument, not mine.
All we need to do is begin drilling somewhere, announce that we found a gigantuous oil field right here in the US, and oil prices will begin falling the next day.
JfromJersey
05-17-08, 11:45 AM
When I started this thread in 2005 gas was about 2.25 a gallon in NJ.
Now premium is close to 4.00 a gallon in NJ..and there's talk that by next year oil will be $200 a barrel. The cost of living will soon become nightmarish for a lot of people.
goin for 27
05-17-08, 12:06 PM
Don't know if this has been posted here already, but a pretty cool sight to find the cheapest gas....
http://www.gasbuddy.com/
When I started this thread in 2005 gas was about 2.25 a gallon in NJ.
Now premium is close to 4.00 a gallon in NJ..and there's talk that by next year oil will be $200 a barrel. The cost of living will soon become nightmarish for a lot of people.
I felt fortunate to find $3.99/gal for REGULAR last night. Most of the stations around my town are in the $4.05 range.
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
05-17-08, 05:07 PM
Cheapest here is $3.559. Yay. :uhh:
PalmerGA
05-18-08, 03:03 PM
When I started this thread in 2005 gas was about 2.25 a gallon in NJ.Way to jinx it.... ;)
I paid $4.09 today:(
$30 to fill my tank halfway.
this is just another terrorist tactic from Saudi Arabia aimed at the US. if Bush wasnt such a coward, he would stop ALL arms sales from the US to Saudi Arabia. And why in the heck is the US selling them terrorist arms anyhow??
YankeePride1967
05-19-08, 12:23 PM
The Saudi's feel that if we aren't doing what is needed to help ourselves (limit demand and increase supply by drilling in areas like the Gulf of Mexico but don't because it might affect the Florida tourism business) then why should they be asked to do something they don't want to do?
And another reason the Saudi's cited was the US love for SUVs.
I got gas on Wednesday at $3.99/gal.
By Thursday, it was up to $4.05/gal.
Same station is now $4.09/gal -- an increase of 10 cents in 5 days!
the last 4 times I have filled up my tank, gas went from $4.09 to $4.15 to $4.25 to $4.35. $!@#^@#^ ridiculous!!!
the last 4 times I have filled up my tank, gas went from $4.09 to $4.15 to $4.25 to $4.35. $!@#^@#^ ridiculous!!!
Go a little further north. ;)
Go a little further north. ;)
lol, yeah i know. I'm kind of stuck in the worst possible area...living in westchester and commuting to greenwich, ct. Not exactly an affordable area of the country...
lol, yeah i know. I'm kind of stuck in the worst possible area...living in westchester and commuting to greenwich, ct. Not exactly an affordable area of the country...
Is that $4.35 for regular?
In the Peekskill area, gas is just getting over the $4 mark at most stations.
Is that $4.35 for regular?
In the Peekskill area, gas is just getting over the $4 mark at most stations.
YES. At a Mobil station in Kisco. it's like 4.55 or more for premium.
fredgmuggs
05-19-08, 02:56 PM
The guy in front of me at the gas station was only pumping for a moment and I thought it was odd that he was there for so short amount of time until I reached the pump and noticed he only put $10 in his car. Yes sir, $10 worth of gas sure doesn't get you what it used to.
The guy in front of me at the gas station was only pumping for a moment and I thought it was odd that he was there for so short amount of time until I reached the pump and noticed he only put $10 in his car. Yes sir, $10 worth of gas sure doesn't get you what it used to.
When I first started driving, I used to get $2 worth of gas to get me around town. :lol: I'm old.
YankeePride1967
05-19-08, 04:46 PM
Money.com predicts by summer $5 a gallon.
Dretti299
05-19-08, 04:57 PM
Money.com predicts by summer $5 a gallon.
This is very unlady-like but :barf:
penfold
05-19-08, 08:18 PM
The hubby did not drive the diesel across country -- and he's glad he skipped the ordeal. Diesel prices are nasty everywhere.
Having driven over a thousand miles in the last week and a half, I have to say that Pennsylvania (outside of Philadelphia) and the occasional station in Massachusetts (outside of Boston) had the best prices. The tri-state area was horrendous -- although, the further north we went in CT, the cheaper it was.
Los Angeles gas prices are currently comparable to tri-state area prices.
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
05-19-08, 08:24 PM
tri-state area was horrendous -- although, the further north we went in CT, the cheaper it was.
NJ has the cheapest in the country, most of the time. I think that's the case right now, too.
yankeesAZ
05-19-08, 11:22 PM
When I started this thread in 2005 gas was about 2.25 a gallon in NJ.
Now premium is close to 4.00 a gallon in NJ..and there's talk that by next year oil will be $200 a barrel. The cost of living will soon become nightmarish for a lot of people.
Yes, anyone who's wondering if it can get any worse? It can and probably will.
This place in Dallas is testing its new numbers. Scary picture:
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-23843
Funny one:
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-23841
penfold
05-20-08, 11:23 AM
NJ has the cheapest in the country, most of the time. I think that's the case right now, too.
When I drove across the country (and back) in 2003, Texas and Oklahoma had the cheapest gas. I think the locals would kill the gas station owners otherwise! ;)
RhodyYanksFan
05-21-08, 09:33 PM
It simply can't keep rising $4 a day for a barrel. Sooner or later the bubble will burst and even the speculators will become cautious of said bubble bursting. Right??
yankeesAZ
05-21-08, 11:32 PM
It simply can't keep rising $4 a day for a barrel. Sooner or later the bubble will burst and even the speculators will become cautious of said bubble bursting. Right??
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080522/bs_nm/markets_oil_dc
"The market has been convinced to buy oil amid a series of bullish forecasts, while the outlook for the dollar is weak, traders said.
Investment bank Goldman Sachs has said it thinks oil prices will average $141 a barrel in the second half of this year and could top $200 a barrel by 2010."
PalmerGA
05-22-08, 11:26 AM
I saw a high of $3.829 for regular this morning. My usual station was at $3.729.
Well, there are no longer any stations around here under $4.00. The cheapest I saw today was $4.03.
Even though I don't need it quite yet, maybe I should fill up before Memorial Day weekend prices go up.
Driving south on Rte 110 today, I passed an Exxon station (across from the piano store, for those familiar with the area) that was charging $4.25/gal! for regular!
YankeePride1967
05-22-08, 12:12 PM
One question. China is drilling for oil 60 miles off the Miami, FL coast. If they can drill right off our coast, why not us?
4bronxbombers
05-22-08, 12:56 PM
BJ's is still the cheapest. I just paid $3.90 for reg. Still cost $65- to fill up which makes my blood boil. :argh:
johnnyyankee
05-22-08, 01:08 PM
Driving south on Rte 110 today, I passed an Exxon station (across from the piano store, for those familiar with the area) that was charging $4.25/gal! for regular!
Frank&Camille's?
Frank&Camille's?
That's the place...
RhodyYanksFan
05-22-08, 02:16 PM
Well it appears as if next time I fill up it will be with $4 gas. :barf:
Well it appears as if next time I fill up it will be with $4 gas. :barf: Worse, you may soon be wishing for $4 a gallon gas.
nhyankeefan
05-22-08, 02:19 PM
One question. China is drilling for oil 60 miles off the Miami, FL coast. If they can drill right off our coast, why not us?
How are they doing that? Is it because they're closer to Cuba than Florida?
fredgmuggs
05-22-08, 02:20 PM
Well it appears as if next time I fill up it will be with $4 gas. :barf:Yeah, it looks like that will be true for me as well. The station I usually go to was at 3.999 today and the station across the street was at 4.019. I'm glad I don't drive very many miles.
YankeePride1967
05-22-08, 02:21 PM
How are they doing that? Is it because they're closer to Cuba than Florida?
It is closer to Cuba than here. But what harm is being done? I fully understand that it's not the long term solution, we need to find alternative sources, but there is no reason we can't do both if the alternate sources are further off down the road.
BronxBaumer
05-22-08, 02:34 PM
Even if we were drilling it, it wouldn't do much, if anything, to lower gas prices.
PalmerGA
05-22-08, 04:48 PM
I saw a high of $3.829 for regular this morning. My usual station was at $3.729....and 9 hours later, my usual station was at $3.849. 12 cents higher than this morning. Is the fact that it's a "long holiday weekend" just a coincidence?
Even if they somehow figure out how to reduce gas prices I dont think we will ever see prices below 3.50 again. Thats how bad its gotten.
yanksrule69
05-22-08, 05:38 PM
...and 9 hours later, my usual station was at $3.849. 12 cents higher than this morning. Is the fact that it's a "long holiday weekend" just a coincidence?
The gas station I drive by on the way to work went up $.16 (to $4.25/gal for premium) while I was at work yesterday.
YankeePride1967
05-22-08, 07:51 PM
Even if we were drilling it, it wouldn't do much, if anything, to lower gas prices.
Evidently the Chinese disagree.
RhodyYanksFan
05-22-08, 09:15 PM
...and 9 hours later, my usual station was at $3.849. 12 cents higher than this morning. Is the fact that it's a "long holiday weekend" just a coincidence?
I thought they can only change the price once a day, or is that just up here?
BronxBaumer
05-23-08, 07:34 AM
Evidently the Chinese disagree.
The British were energy indepenent in the 70's and they still ran into major problems and price rises. We are in a global market, and the price is set by that market. We're not going to make a difference with a little bit of drilling hear or there.
YankeePride1967
05-23-08, 07:35 AM
The British were energy indepenent in the 70's and they still ran into major problems and price rises. We are in a global market, and the price is set by that market. We're not going to make a difference with a little bit of drilling hear or there.
Is there any source to indicate that ALL the oil off our coast is "little"? And again, China must feel there is enough for them to drill that far from home. If there is enough oil there and we can get away from being as dependent on foreign oil as we are, then with the increased supply, prices should come down.
BronxBaumer
05-23-08, 07:39 AM
At least 50% of what we drill is exported. Prices won't come down.
YankeePride1967
05-23-08, 07:42 AM
At least 50% of what we drill is exported. Prices won't come down.
The reason the prices are going up is because of Wall Street's perception (real or not) that there isn't enough supply. Increase the supply enough and prices will come down. Now, where is this source or evidence that says there isn't enough oil off our coast line to make a difference?
If there wasn't enough supply, then we'd see gas shortages. There are no lines at the gas stations. We are not being told even and odd days based on license plate number, and there is no rationing.
So that leaves greed.
BronxBaumer
05-23-08, 07:55 AM
The point is, oil is in extremely high demand. India and China are drinking up every bit of it that they can get their hands on. If we find more oil, it is going to get immediately swallowed. If we use less oil, the surplus is going to immediately get swallowed. Beyond this, if someone can sell a barrel of oil for 135 dollars, no one is going to sell it for 80. Real value of oil is much lower than what the world market says it is, I doubt that this bubble is going to burst anytime soon.
China, India and other developing markets want oil. They don't necessarily care about price. They're going to keep on buying. Europe has public transit and does not rely on oil nearly as much as we do, so they are more insulated to rising prices, even if it will raise prices on transportation of goods, both foreign and domestic.
We care about price. We don't have shortage. We're not waiting in lines. But there is high demand, price is high, they could get 200 dollars a barrel if they really wanted to, and we're stuck. An oil field here, or underwater drilling there isn't going to change that...not in a WORLD MARKET.
YankeePride1967
05-23-08, 07:56 AM
If there wasn't enough supply, then we'd see gas shortages. There are no lines at the gas stations. We are not being told even and odd days based on license plate number, and there is no rationing.
So that leaves greed.
A news report the other night said that consumption has been going down, so that may be a factor as to no shortages. And I used the word "perception" for a reason. There is the perception on Wall Street that there is a supply issue because of India and China. Why do we think that the price of oil drops when word out of Washington is that inventory levels are higher than predicted and the reverse when it's lower? People are wrongly blaming the oil campanies, it's not their fault, it's the morons on Wall Street. Guaranteed that if word came out today that the amount of oil coming into the country would increase dramatically, it would be exciting to see the fast drop of the price of a barrel of oil would be by day's end.
YankeePride1967
05-23-08, 07:58 AM
The point is, oil is in extremely high demand. India and China are drinking up every bit of it that they can get their hands on. If we find more oil, it is going to get immediately swallowed. If we use less oil, the surplus is going to immediately get swallowed. Beyond this, if someone can sell a barrel of oil for 135 dollars, no one is going to sell it for 80. Real value of oil is much lower than what the world market says it is, I doubt that this bubble is going to burst anytime soon.
China, India and other developing markets want oil. They don't necessarily care about price. They're going to keep on buying. Europe has public transit and does not rely on oil nearly as much as we do, so they are more insulated to rising prices, even if it will raise prices on transportation of goods, both foreign and domestic.
We care about price. We don't have shortage. We're not waiting in lines. But there is high demand, price is high, they could get 200 dollars a barrel if they really wanted to, and we're stuck. An oil field here, or underwater drilling there isn't going to change that...not in a WORLD MARKET.
If we were talking about "an oil field here or underwater drilling there" then you would be right.
You are right, oil is in high demand, raise the supply and prices go down. And I'll ask again where is the source indicating that there wouldn't be much oil if we drilled in the MANY places off shore that there is oil? And more to the point, why would China go all that way to drill off the Florida coast? China can drill off our coast but we can't? How dumb are we???
BronxBaumer
05-23-08, 08:00 AM
Because oil prices are more expensive in China. They might see the investment in creating an oil rig worth while, while our companies (and mind you, our companies would be drilling, not the US government) see the investment as not being profitable.
PalmerGA
05-23-08, 08:58 AM
...and 9 hours later, my usual station was at $3.849. 12 cents higher than this morning. Is the fact that it's a "long holiday weekend" just a coincidence?...and this morning, the same station is $3.889.
...and this morning, the same station is $3.889.
They're just catching up, all at once...
The station I usually use raised their prices overnight to $4.13
xenadanielle
05-23-08, 09:05 AM
I'm at the point now where I'm actually considering topping off each day instead of waiting for my tank to empty.
Ha, I was thinking the exact same thing this morning. I got $20 worth yesterday @ $3.75/gal but it only filled me up half-way since my cheap gas place has a lower price for cash and that is all I had. Then this morning their price was actually $3.73/gal so I think I will top off later after I hit the ATM.
I'm at the point now where I'm actually considering topping off each day instead of waiting for my tank to empty.
I think you'd still be spending the same amount, just in smaller increments.
4bronxbombers
05-23-08, 09:13 AM
I'm at the point now where I'm actually considering topping off each day instead of waiting for my tank to empty.
What is the point of doing that?
I'm at the point now where I'm actually considering topping off each day instead of waiting for my tank to empty.
That won't save you any money, because you'll hit every price increase anyhow.
If you fillup once a week on Thursdays, you'll do the same as you will filling up every day. (Assuming prices go up on Fridays like they do here...)
I think you'd still be spending the same amount, just in smaller increments.
Exactly correct.
YankeePride1967
05-23-08, 09:14 AM
That won't save you any money, because you'll hit every price increase anyhow.
If you fillup once a week on Thursdays, you'll do the same as you will filling up every day. (Assuming prices go up on Fridays like they do here...)
Good point, although I do make it a habit of choosing one day on the weekend to not drive at all to save gas.
YankeePride1967
05-23-08, 09:15 AM
I think you'd still be spending the same amount, just in smaller increments.
That is correct. With the driving I would be. Although I don't drive each day. My post was so dumb I had to delete it.
xenadanielle
05-23-08, 09:17 AM
That is correct. With the driving I would be. Although I don't drive each day. My post was so dumb I had to delete it.
OK I guess I will delete mine too since I replied that I was going to do the same thing. :o:lol:
Actually though my place is :-2cents-: cheaper today for some odd reason.
YankeePride1967
05-23-08, 09:19 AM
OK I guess I will delete mine too since I replied that I was going to do the same thing. :o:lol:
Actually though my place is :-2cents-: cheaper today for some odd reason.
I think though if you were going away the next day for awhile (and not taking that car), doing so would be of benefit to do that.
Just paid 50 bucks to fill up my car.
Jersey Yankee
05-23-08, 01:13 PM
$4.79 for diesel. FOUR DOLLARS AND SEVENTY-NINE CENTS!!! :scared: :-bye-: :-surrende :eek: :giveup: :wtf:
$4.79 for diesel. FOUR DOLLARS AND SEVENTY-NINE CENTS!!! :scared: :-bye-: :-surrende :eek: :giveup: :wtf:
$4.99 and up, here...
$4.79 for diesel. FOUR DOLLARS AND SEVENTY-NINE CENTS!!! :scared: :-bye-: :-surrende :eek: :giveup: :wtf:
It's over $5 for diesel here.
Jersey Yankee
05-23-08, 01:17 PM
$4.99 and up, here...
It's over $5 for diesel here.
Do truck drivers have special places where they get discounts? I think that some of these stations were mostly on the more trafficked routes that weren't in the main city. This place was coming off Hwy 139 in Jersey City and going into Hoboken, NJ. Another price trap is State Hwy 1&9, the truck route.
I have no idea how someone affords these prices. If the truck stops don't have better deals, prices of everything at the super markets will be going north soon.
Jersey Yankee
05-23-08, 01:21 PM
Great news:
Holiday motorists will pay record gas prices (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/05/gas_1.html)
Jenn6812
05-23-08, 01:22 PM
Gas is $3.97 here. We're making a trip down to Corbin Kentucky for the weekend with alot of other people in my family. The trip is about 200 miles each way so that's going to be kind of expensive. At least gas is about 15 cents cheaper down there then what it is here. I'll see if that's still true.
xenadanielle
05-23-08, 01:34 PM
Do truck drivers have special places where they get discounts? I think that some of these stations were mostly on the more trafficked routes that weren't in the main city. This place was coming off Hwy 139 in Jersey City and going into Hoboken, NJ. Another price trap is State Hwy 1&9, the truck route.
I have no idea how someone affords these prices. If the truck stops don't have better deals, prices of everything at the super markets will be going north soon.
My boyfriend is a truck driver but he's a company guy so does not have to pay for his own gas. I do think they all fill up before they go out at a station near their yard then when they are on the road he uses a company credit card.
The other day the radio news had a story about a guy paying $1,000 to fill up.:eek:
My boyfriend is a truck driver but he's a company guy so does not have to pay for his own gas. I do think they all fill up before they go out at a station near their yard then when they are on the road he uses a company credit card.
The other day the radio news had a story about a guy paying $1,000 to fill up.:eek:
$1000! Wow. I wonder how many gallons those big trucks hold?
Our motorhome has a 75 gallon tank, so if we had to fill up from E, it would cost over 300 bucks with gas being over $4 (but we never let it go past 1/2 tank).
I just passed by the station I normally get gas at. Last week I paid $3.99. Today it is $4.21.
Dave Visbeck
05-23-08, 01:46 PM
I just passed by the station I normally get gas at. Last week I paid $3.99. Today it is $4.21.
When I drive by a gas station and see these prices ... I pass gas.
When I drive by a gas station and see these prices ... I pass gas.
:roflmao:
RhodyYanksFan
05-23-08, 01:53 PM
$1000! Wow. I wonder how many gallons those big trucks hold?
Our motorhome has a 75 gallon tank, so if we had to fill up from E, it would cost over 300 bucks with gas being over $4 (but we never let it go past 1/2 tank).
Those tractor trailers have like 250 gallon tanks and they use diesel which is like .75 more then gas per gallon. Another reason everything is going up in price.
Dave Visbeck
05-23-08, 01:55 PM
Those tractor trailers have like 250 gallon tanks and they use diesel which is like .75 more then gas per gallon. Another reason everything is going up in price.
Over one thousand bucks to fill her up. :(
xenadanielle
05-23-08, 01:58 PM
$1000! Wow. I wonder how many gallons those big trucks hold?
Our motorhome has a 75 gallon tank, so if we had to fill up from E, it would cost over 300 bucks with gas being over $4 (but we never let it go past 1/2 tank).
Yes, that is a major reason we did not go to Charlotte this weekend for the race. It would just be too much money for gas with my bf's decrepit gas-guzzling motorhome!
Those tractor trailers have like 250 gallon tanks and they use diesel which is like .75 more then gas per gallon. Another reason everything is going up in price.
Isn't diesel supposed to get better mpg? Still, I know it's making prices go up because of the cost of gas/diesel.
fredgmuggs
05-23-08, 02:36 PM
Its getting to be a real test of skill to get the pump to stop at an even number while filling up because the numbers in the digital readout turn over so fast now.
Isn't diesel supposed to get better mpg? Still, I know it's making prices go up because of the cost of gas/diesel.
Yes. This article (http://www.trucktrend.com/features/tech/163_0210_diesel_vs_gas/index.html) has it at about 6-8 MPG for light trucks, which is enough to make diesel cheaper in the long run.
Its getting to be a real test of skill to get the pump to stop at an even number while filling up because the numbers in the digital readout turn over so fast now.
I pride myself in being pretty good at stopping at a certain even amount. But like you said, it's not easy. :lol:
xenadanielle
05-23-08, 03:00 PM
I pride myself in being pretty good at stopping at a certain even amount. But like you said, it's not easy. :lol:
I would have no clue since I am from New Jersey, the land where we don't pump our own gas. :o
Yes. This article (http://www.trucktrend.com/features/tech/163_0210_diesel_vs_gas/index.html) has it at about 6-8 MPG for light trucks, which is enough to make diesel cheaper in the long run.
Thanks. Interesting article.
One thing I didn't know about diesel:
Diesels also use about one third as much fuel at idle as gasoline units.
I guess that's why truckers can leave the big rigs idling while they sleep at truck stops?
I would have no clue since I am from New Jersey, the land where we don't pump our own gas. :o
I like getting gas in Jersey for that reason. :)
Here, there are only a handful of full serve stations.
Huntington, LI is also full-serve only by law
yanksphan
05-23-08, 03:16 PM
Anyone ride a bike into work yet?
RhodyYanksFan
05-23-08, 05:31 PM
Its getting to be a real test of skill to get the pump to stop at an even number while filling up because the numbers in the digital readout turn over so fast now.
I have the "keep the change" thing from Bank of America so as long as I stop somewhere in the .80s or .90s I'm golden.
Gringaloca
05-23-08, 05:43 PM
$3.93 for 87 Octane Regular this evening @ BP..
$50 to fill the 'Cruiser':mad: I probably shouldn't complain as I've been hearing $70/80 from others...but dammmmnnnn.
I can remember, within the past year, when it was $25/30 to fill up.
Jersey Yankee
05-24-08, 02:54 AM
My boyfriend is a truck driver but he's a company guy so does not have to pay for his own gas. I do think they all fill up before they go out at a station near their yard then when they are on the road he uses a company credit card.
The other day the radio news had a story about a guy paying $1,000 to fill up.:eek:
I've heard that 120-gallon tanks were the largest on semis, so presuming they don't come larger on other sized trucks, that guy must've paid extra for diesel. The dump trucks don't seem to have the same sized fuel tanks, since 120 gallons is a big one.
Here's a link (http://www.32chrome.com/fuel_tanks.htm) selling fuel tanks as large as 150 gallons (which must mean your truck would be a super tanker or sumptin').
Here's another link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=170221194908&rd=1) (eBay Motors) of a semi with twin 150-gal tanks.
http://www.startribune.com/business/17173781.html
Bob Kantaris pumped $736 of diesel fuel into his semi Monday at Stockmen's Truck Stop in South St. Paul. But many truckers can't afford diesel fuel anymore, he said.
"Drivers are parking their trucks and going to work for somebody else," said Kantaris, of Mason City, Iowa.
Gasoline prices have risen in the past two months, but diesel fuel prices have risen even faster: 18 percent, an increase that many truckers have been unable to pass on to their customers. Some truck drivers nationwide are planning a work slowdown beginning today to protest the high prices, and many drivers in Minnesota wonder how long they can survive.
300 gallons x $5 buckeroos a gallon = a whopping $1,500 just to refuel that big rig. Where are the EZ Loans & Pawn Shops when you need 'em? May as well pawn the freakin' truck while you're at it. :P
$61 to fill up my Jeep the other day. I used to miss my Dodge Ram 1500 but with its 26 gallon tank...not so much anymore
Soon we're gonna need FDR to get us out of this mess.
I filled up this morning ($4.13) at Valero (one of the only full serve places around) and it cost me $55. I had between a quater and 1/8 of a tank.
I was shocked to see they were cheaper than the no name place I usually go to that's always less than everyone else, but they were $4.21 yesterday.
trapper700
05-24-08, 06:40 PM
just for some perspective...
at home in CT when I left it cost about 4.19 per gallon for 93 octane.
here in the philippines, it costs 52 php per liter of 93 octane.
after doing the conversion, it costs about $4.62 per gallon here.
also keep in mind that the average salary of a person here is P250 per day, so for a single liter of gas, that's already a fifth of their daily salary.
johnnyyankee
05-24-08, 08:41 PM
Its getting to be a real test of skill to get the pump to stop at an even number while filling up because the numbers in the digital readout turn over so fast now.
:lol: I tried to "top off" at an even number yesterday and missed...$75.02. :(
Its getting to be a real test of skill to get the pump to stop at an even number while filling up because the numbers in the digital readout turn over so fast now.
I suck at that.
Jersey Yankee
05-25-08, 12:45 AM
I suck at that.
Oh geez, what would we ever do w/o the POOC thread anywayz? :D
yankeesAZ
05-25-08, 09:17 AM
Don't blame the dealer:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/24/AR2008052401961.html?nav=rss_email/components
"Every time Sohaila Rezazadeh rings up a sale at her Exxon (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Exxon+Mobil+Corporation?tid=informline) station on Chain Bridge (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Chain+Bridge?tid=informline) Road in Oakton, her cash register sends the information to Exxon Mobil (http://financial.washingtonpost.com/custom/wpost/html-qcn.asp?dispnav=business&mwpage=qcn&symb=XOM&nav=el)'s central computers. If she raises the price of gasoline a couple of pennies, chances are that Exxon will raise the wholesale price she pays by the same amount.
Through a password-protected Web portal, Exxon notifies Rezazadeh of wholesale price changes daily. That way the oil giant, which is earning about $3.3 billion a month, fine-tunes the pump prices at the franchise Rezazadeh has owned for 12 years.
Now, however, Rezazadeh says she cannot stay in business. Credit-card fees are eating her profit margins. Exxon, which owns the station land, last week handed Rezazadeh a new lease raising her rent about 30 percent over the next three years. She stuck a copy on the window of her station to show customers who are angry about soaring pump prices. Rezazadeh has told Exxon that she cannot make money with the rent that high. Her territory manager's reply, she said, was simple: When you go, leave us the keys."
"Even some of Exxon's successful and loyal dealers complain. Jerry Daggle owns five Exxon stations in Northern Virginia, and even though they have different competitive conditions and prices, "Exxon magically lets me make about 8 cents a gallon" at each one, he said."
PinstripePride
05-25-08, 05:22 PM
F*ck Exxon. :mad:
PalmerGA
05-25-08, 06:15 PM
F*ck Exxon. :mad:Agreed. I have only bought Exxon gas a few times since the Exxon Valdeeze incident - and that was out of desperation.
They're just catching up, all at once...
The station I usually use raised their prices overnight to $4.13
From Friday to today...it's now $4.23 a 10 cent increase!
Gringaloca
05-25-08, 06:50 PM
Hubs had me go on Gasbuddy.com & Cheapgas.com before he left the house this afternoon. Had to drive 90 miles round trip to visit his Mom in the Hospital.
Cheapest in our area was $3.89...yeah right..Good luck on there being any of THAT left today.:o
The 'big honkin' Toyota Tundra' is killin' him..:( It sure is purty, tho'...:D
I paid $3.69 for regular today...Cash price. It's the cheapest I've seen around here. Most stations are at $3.75-$3.79.
My husband saw something yesterday we haven't seen in a while, around here anyway.. Different prices for cash and credit.
yankeesAZ
05-26-08, 11:43 AM
My husband saw something yesterday we haven't seen in a while, around here anyway.. Different prices for cash and credit.
It's one thing a station owner can do to help their profits.
On another note, these people bought gasoline the was mixed with water:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/364597_gas26.html
"With gas selling for a record $4-plus a gallon across the Puget Sound region, some Memorial Day weekend travelers got a lot less than they paid for and a lot more trouble than they imagined when they filled up Sunday.
Two Safeway gas stations were shut down Sunday evening after contaminated gas filled at least nine vehicles, causing them to break down on a day of record gas prices statewide.
The Safeway gas station in Maple Valley had gas mixed with water, and company spokeswoman Cherie Myers said the contaminated fuel came about 5 p.m. from Shell. Contaminated gas also reportedly went to a station in Snohomish County."
Bambino22
05-26-08, 02:05 PM
Nationalize.
WashingtonYankee
05-26-08, 04:20 PM
I paid over $4 on Friday. :(
Do you know how hard that is for a college student?
:mad:
4bronxbombers
05-26-08, 04:25 PM
I paid over $4 on Friday. :(
Do you know how hard that is for a college student?
:mad:
It's just as hard for non college students - just sayin'.
WashingtonYankee
05-27-08, 12:52 AM
It's just as hard for non college students - just sayin'.
It's hard for everyone. I over heard when filling up that by next Easter it should be $8. Were they right!?
It's hard for everyone. I over heard when filling up that by next Easter it should be $8. Were they right!?
I'll let ya know next Easter
yankeesAZ
05-27-08, 10:35 AM
It's hard for everyone. I over heard when filling up that by next Easter it should be $8. Were they right!?
Doubt it will be $8 by next Easter, but would not rule it out in a few more years.
The threshold seems to be pushed about 50-75 cents more every year. Last year we were groaning when gas hit around $3.50 or so. Year before it was $3.00. This year $4.00.
Reminds me of the good ol' days of complaining when it hit $2 way back in 2004.
Jersey Yankee
05-27-08, 10:38 AM
The local BP sells for around $3.79, and $3.98 for Ultimate. Not a bad price, but it's off the main streets (1/3 mile off 1-9 North).
destelle
05-27-08, 11:26 AM
My husband saw something yesterday we haven't seen in a while, around here anyway.. Different prices for cash and credit.
I noticed that, too - a new thing.
And I got all excited b/c I saw $3.45 a gallon - but as I drove by I noticed it said *** with $10 in-store purchase.
Just trying to get ya in there.
WashingtonYankee
05-27-08, 02:47 PM
Doubt it will be $8 by next Easter, but would not rule it out in a few more years.
The threshold seems to be pushed about 50-75 cents more every year. Last year we were groaning when gas hit around $3.50 or so. Year before it was $3.00. This year $4.00.
Reminds me of the good ol' days of complaining when it hit $2 way back in 2004.
:eek:
How much are you paying where you're at?
xenadanielle
05-27-08, 02:50 PM
My husband saw something yesterday we haven't seen in a while, around here anyway.. Different prices for cash and credit.
My cheap gas place (Delta in Middlesex, NJ for anyone in the area) has been doing that for awhile. :(
jlw1980
05-27-08, 02:55 PM
It's hard for everyone. I over heard when filling up that by next Easter it should be $8. Were they right!?Yeah, my uncle said he heard something about $8. This economy will come to a screeching halt. The whole thing is really starting to scare me.
jlw1980
05-27-08, 08:40 PM
As gas prices soar, thieves grow more brazen
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24779216
PinstripePride
05-27-08, 08:43 PM
Might be time for the locking gas cap I've been considering...
jlw1980
05-27-08, 08:43 PM
Might be time for the locking gas cap I've been considering...Yeah, we need one, too.
I think most cars today are made so siphoning is pretty much not possible.
jlw1980
05-27-08, 09:06 PM
I think most cars today are made so siphoning is pretty much not possible.From the article, I gathered that it's happening quite a bit.
yankeesAZ
05-27-08, 09:18 PM
:eek:
How much are you paying where you're at?
$4.13 on average. Have an Arco near Costco that's about 10 cents cheaper. They kind of have to match Costco's prices since they are close to them.
I ride a bus a lot, so I haven't filled up for a couple weeks. It was $3.89 the last time I filled.
Jersey Yankee
05-28-08, 04:54 AM
It ain't just cars, it's boats too.
Boaters are fit to be tied (up), or cut way back on trips (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/05/27/2008-05-27_boaters_are_fit_to_be_tied_up_or_cut_way.html)
It ain't just cars, it's boats too.
Boaters are fit to be tied (up), or cut way back on trips (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/05/27/2008-05-27_boaters_are_fit_to_be_tied_up_or_cut_way.html) Tell me about it. No long trips for me this year.....and drift fishing can be productive.
Jersey Yankee
05-28-08, 06:19 AM
Tell me about it. No long trips for me this year.....and drift fishing can be productive.
When I heard $100/hr to keep a boat idle with engine running on the water, I almost flipped my lid. ONE HUNDRED BUCKEROOS AN HOUR for a motorboat!!! :eek: :o :(
I think that the people using sailboats will take comfort in their free "fuel". I wonder how soon Mobil & Exxon will find a way to make people pay for that also. :P
When I heard $100/hr to keep a boat idle with engine running on the water, I almost flipped my lid. ONE HUNDRED BUCKEROOS AN HOUR for a motorboat!!! :eek: :o :(
I think that the people using sailboats will take comfort in their free "fuel". I wonder how soon Mobil & Exxon will find a way to make people pay for that also. :PSailboats rely on some fuel because the wind doesn't always cooperate. It's usually just a little 5 horse engine though. My boat only has a 135HP engine, so I can usually do what I want in a day for about 10 gallons, or $50. That's still too much though, so I'll be cutting my use in half.
montrealer
05-28-08, 07:20 AM
$5.80 USG.......new record high for regular......and it`s only May......Merde
RhodyYanksFan
05-28-08, 08:17 AM
$5.80 USG.......new record high for regular......and it`s only May......Merde
How much was heating oil up there this winter? I locked in until June 2009 for $4.09 a gallon and everyone I know is patting me on the back.
johnnyyankee
05-28-08, 08:52 AM
How much was heating oil up there this winter? I locked in until June 2009 for $4.09 a gallon and everyone I know is patting me on the back.
My $3.22 protective cap expires June 30. My new protective cap is $5.12. :eek: Are you locked in at $4.09 even if prices fall? I was give the option to "lock in" at $4.85. I figured I'd take the cap since it isn't a hell of a lot more than the lock and I could benefit from a drop. The eternal optomist.........:lol:
montrealer
05-28-08, 08:53 AM
How much was heating oil up there this winter? I locked in until June 2009 for $4.09 a gallon and everyone I know is patting me on the back.
$4.72.......
WashingtonYankee
05-28-08, 09:48 AM
When I heard $100/hr to keep a boat idle with engine running on the water, I almost flipped my lid. ONE HUNDRED BUCKEROOS AN HOUR for a motorboat!!! :eek: :o :(
I think that the people using sailboats will take comfort in their free "fuel". I wonder how soon Mobil & Exxon will find a way to make people pay for that also. :P
Thank God that I am a sailor not a powerboat person.
But here's the thing, we still have to pay for gas to get in an out of our slots.
So, we're still paying for gas. However, we use less than someone who uses a motorboat.
WashingtonYankee
05-28-08, 09:49 AM
Sailboats rely on some fuel because the wind doesn't always cooperate. It's usually just a little 5 horse engine though. My boat only has a 135HP engine, so I can usually do what I want in a day for about 10 gallons, or $50. That's still too much though, so I'll be cutting my use in half.
I just basically wrote the same thing. We do the same thing.
Jersey Yankee
05-28-08, 02:51 PM
Sailboats rely on some fuel because the wind doesn't always cooperate. It's usually just a little 5 horse engine though. My boat only has a 135HP engine, so I can usually do what I want in a day for about 10 gallons, or $50. That's still too much though, so I'll be cutting my use in half.
I'd meant that the bigger boats (whatever is docked in the marina) was $100/hr when MOVING, not IDLING. Big difference. My bad.
I hadn't realized that sailboats actually had an engine. Then again, if a strong wind forces them too deep into the middle of the ocean, I wouldn't doubt the need for this.
So you're paying $5/gallon for boat fuel? How much did you pay for this a few years ago, and what sized boat do you have? Single-engined, I presume?
Jersey Yankee
05-28-08, 02:53 PM
Thank God that I am a sailor not a powerboat person.
But here's the thing, we still have to pay for gas to get in an out of our slots.
So, we're still paying for gas. However, we use less than someone who uses a motorboat.
So you're a sailor like Gilligan? :D
How much fuel will you use on an average trip, if say it's 50 miles? If there's a high wind pushing too far out of your planned area, that motor can get you back ashore?
RhodyYanksFan
05-29-08, 07:14 AM
My $3.22 protective cap expires June 30. My new protective cap is $5.12. :eek: Are you locked in at $4.09 even if prices fall? I was give the option to "lock in" at $4.85. I figured I'd take the cap since it isn't a hell of a lot more than the lock and I could benefit from a drop. The eternal optomist.........:lol:
No, I chose the lock in option, not the cap one. Prices here are already above the cap they offered me. I don't believe they're going to go down so I'm happy with my choice.
4bronxbombers
05-29-08, 07:37 AM
It ain't just cars, it's boats too.
Boaters are fit to be tied (up), or cut way back on trips (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/05/27/2008-05-27_boaters_are_fit_to_be_tied_up_or_cut_way.html)
We have a 22 ft boat. There certainly won't be trips to Block Island this year. :(
A friend of ours at the beach just bought a 42 ft cigarette/off-shore racer. I can't even imagine how much it's going to cost to fill that baby. We were all like, "wtf were you thinking?" :lol:
We have a 22 ft boat. There certainly won't be trips to Block Island this year. :(
A friend of ours at the beach just bought a 42 ft cigarette/off-shore racer. I can't even imagine how much it's going to cost to fill that baby. We were all like, "wtf were you thinking?" :lol:
Maybe they got a great deal. :lol:
4bronxbombers
05-29-08, 07:41 AM
Maybe they got a great deal. :lol:
No, I can assure you he didn't. He just wanted this thing so bad.....we all tried to talk him out of it. Although it's going to be a blast! We'll all have to chip in for the gas though I'm sure. :lol:
RhodyYanksFan
05-29-08, 07:43 AM
We have a 22 ft boat. There certainly won't be trips to Block Island this year. :(
A friend of ours at the beach just bought a 42 ft cigarette/off-shore racer. I can't even imagine how much it's going to cost to fill that baby. We were all like, "wtf were you thinking?" :lol:
You go from mid-CT to Block Island by boat? How long did that take? I used to work on the BI ferry.
4bronxbombers
05-29-08, 07:49 AM
You go from mid-CT to Block Island by boat? How long did that take? I used to work on the BI ferry.
It takes about 45 min or so. Maybe shorter. It depends. How long did you work on the BI ferry? I went on that a few times. There's always people ralphing on that damn thing. :lol: ick.
RhodyYanksFan
05-29-08, 08:23 AM
It takes about 45 min or so. Maybe shorter. It depends. How long did you work on the BI ferry? I went on that a few times. There's always people ralphing on that damn thing. :lol: ick.
I worked from May-Sept 2003. You're not telling me anything I don't already know. I was on the Narragansett -> BI one, not the one from New London.
Jersey Yankee
05-29-08, 05:24 PM
We have a 22 ft boat. There certainly won't be trips to Block Island this year. :(
A friend of ours at the beach just bought a 42 ft cigarette/off-shore racer. I can't even imagine how much it's going to cost to fill that baby. We were all like, "wtf were you thinking?" :lol:
How much did it cost to fill your boat a few years ago? How much does it cost now for the same trip?
I just scanned ebay Motors and at least the price for the 18-26 ft boats (http://motors.shop.ebay.com/Boats_Power-Motorboats__W0QQLength87732706Z181260ft99624addQQ_ssovZ1) weren't ridiculous compared to what a regular sedan would cost.
I have no idea how someone would afford a cigarette racer. I googled that and the cheaper one was $36k and the more expensive one was $57k. How much do they cost to run?
The most expensive yacht on ebay Motors was a $700k one almost 70 ft. Very impressive interior.
4bronxbombers
05-29-08, 05:44 PM
How much did it cost to fill your boat a few years ago? How much does it cost now for the same trip?
I just scanned ebay Motors and at least the price for the 18-26 ft boats (http://motors.shop.ebay.com/Boats_Power-Motorboats__W0QQLength87732706Z181260ft99624addQQ_ssovZ1) weren't ridiculous compared to what a regular sedan would cost.
I have no idea how someone would afford a cigarette racer. I googled that and the cheaper one was $36k and the more expensive one was $57k. How much do they cost to run?
The most expensive yacht on ebay Motors was a $700k one almost 70 ft. Very impressive interior.
I'm not sure because we don't even have the boat in the water yet but I'm sure it will cost considerable more to fill it.
I have no idea how he can afford the offshore race boat either. I guess his business is doing really well. I have no idea how he'll be able to afford the gas for it either. They have no kids and they both work, although she did not want the boat. Should be an interesting summer. I can't remember how much the cigarette cost but my SIL knows....something tells me it was about 50 or 60K. :eek:
jlw1980
05-29-08, 05:46 PM
$3.749/gal at the "cheap" place by my house. That was yesterday. I'm sure it's more today. :-po'd-:
$4.33 was my "cheap" fillup this afternoon. Insanity.
Gringaloca
05-29-08, 06:31 PM
I'm not sure because we don't even have the boat in the water yet but I'm sure it will cost considerable more to fill it.
I have no idea how he can afford the offshore race boat either. I guess his business is doing really well. I have no idea how he'll be able to afford the gas for it either. They have no kids and they both work, although she did not want the boat. Should be an interesting summer. I can't remember how much the cigarette cost but my SIL knows....something tells me it was about 50 or 60K. :eek:
My ex husband was the GM of a marina in Fort Lauderdale from '78-93. He saw nothing but $$$ signs when a 'go-fast' boat pulled up to his gasdock...:) Back THEN it was $100-200 to fill 'em. (depending on size & if the fuel tanks were empty)
Prices of 'go-fast' depend on the year, # of engines (now they come with as many as 4), length & 'hours' on the engines. $60K is really not a lot of money for a 42' Cig...factoring in the above conditions, of course. Add in regular maintenace & storage/dock fees......YIKES!!!..
Happiest day in a boat owners life?..."The day he buys it....AND the day he sells it!.".:D
4bronxbombers
05-29-08, 07:12 PM
My ex husband was the GM of a marina in Fort Lauderdale from '78-93. He saw nothing but $$$ signs when a 'go-fast' boat pulled up to his gasdock...:) Back THEN it was $100-200 to fill 'em. (depending on size & if the fuel tanks were empty)
Prices of 'go-fast' depend on the year, # of engines (now they come with as many as 4), length & 'hours' on the engines. $60K is really not a lot of money for a 42' Cig...factoring in the above conditions, of course. Add in regular maintenace & storage/dock fees......YIKES!!!..
Happiest day in a boat owners life?..."The day he buys it....AND the day he sells it!.".:D
Is he involved with boats anymore?
I'm not sure how much this friend of ours paid for his new boat. I totally guessed at 60K. My ex-bf had a 36 ft. cig - (twin screws) when we were younger and all he did was dump money into it. He owned a marina.....fun times. :lol: Now he has a 52 ft Hatteras and lives in FL and SC.
I'd meant that the bigger boats (whatever is docked in the marina) was $100/hr when MOVING, not IDLING. Big difference. My bad.
I hadn't realized that sailboats actually had an engine. Then again, if a strong wind forces them too deep into the middle of the ocean, I wouldn't doubt the need for this.
So you're paying $5/gallon for boat fuel? How much did you pay for this a few years ago, and what sized boat do you have? Single-engined, I presume?Our boat is 18-ft....can be used for fishing, waterskiing, sunbathing etc. - 1 I/O engine. I usually bring gas in from home in 5-gallon containers rather than pay the extra 75 cents per gallon to fill at the marinas. The bigger boats are too tough to handle and use a lot more gas - their only advantage is they can take a much bigger wave and wake out there, but it doesn't often get too rough on the lake we're on.
Jersey Yankee
05-31-08, 02:57 AM
Now grease is being stolen, and traded on the commodities market.
As Oil Prices Soar, Restaurant Grease Thefts Rise (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/30/us/30grease.html?em&ex=1212379200&en=8bd807c3013d46e9&ei=5087%0A)
Jersey Yankee
05-31-08, 03:01 AM
I'm not sure because we don't even have the boat in the water yet but I'm sure it will cost considerable more to fill it.
I have no idea how he can afford the offshore race boat either. I guess his business is doing really well. I have no idea how he'll be able to afford the gas for it either. They have no kids and they both work, although she did not want the boat. Should be an interesting summer. I can't remember how much the cigarette cost but my SIL knows....something tells me it was about 50 or 60K. :eek:
At least if it's in the garage, you don't have to worry about anything. It won't go anywhere, won't cost anything.
I couldn't imagine spending $60k on ANYTHING unless I was quite serious into it. Just having it as a reward seems insane. You'd have to insure it, use it, pay for everything. You may as well have enuff to pay fer two of the derned thingies.
Jersey Yankee
05-31-08, 03:02 AM
Our boat is 18-ft....can be used for fishing, waterskiing, sunbathing etc. - 1 I/O engine. I usually bring gas in from home in 5-gallon containers rather than pay the extra 75 cents per gallon to fill at the marinas. The bigger boats are too tough to handle and use a lot more gas - their only advantage is they can take a much bigger wave and wake out there, but it doesn't often get too rough on the lake we're on.
That sounds reasonable. Once you're at the marina, I figure they've got you, since they know you'll need the fuel.
Like the Crazy Eddie ads of yore, those prices are IN-SANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNE!!! :o :(
what a freak accident. RIP
Jersey Yankee
05-31-08, 03:40 AM
what a freak accident. RIP
Were you thinking that this was the thread about cranes (http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=111842)? That's all I can think about right now.
PalmerGA
05-31-08, 01:38 PM
$3.859 at WalMart this morning... down a few cents in the past few days.
Wal*Mart sells gas now???
Wal*Mart sells gas now....holy christ is this what its turned into now???
$3.859 at WalMart this morning... down a few cents in the past few days.
Down? Maybe ours will start going down. At least the prices have stayed the same here in the last couple of days.
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
05-31-08, 05:22 PM
$3.839 today...it was like $3.659 when I went away. WTF.
Gringaloca
05-31-08, 08:08 PM
Down? Maybe ours will start going down. At least the prices have stayed the same here in the last couple of days.
Not here..:( I paid $3.99 today at the same Hess I bought last Saturday for $3.93.
On Monday we found $3.83 at the Murphy USA station in front of the Super Wal-Mart on our way to the cookout. Hubs was :D to top off the Tundra @ $3.83, believe me.
His last fill up was $73.00...:eek:
Dretti299
05-31-08, 08:42 PM
Down? Maybe ours will start going down. At least the prices have stayed the same here in the last couple of days.
They're still increasing out here somehow. At least not as quickly but they're still increasing.
Five Points
06-01-08, 05:51 PM
$3.93? You lucky bastards. The cheapest around here was $4.36 last time I checked.
PalmerGA
06-01-08, 06:13 PM
Wal*Mart sells gas now....holy christ is this what its turned into now???Okay... Murphy USA. http://www.murphyoilcorp.com/
Murphy USA Marketing Co. (Murphy Oil USA, Inc.) operates retail gasoline stations under the Murphy USAŽ brand across 20 states in the U.S. These are high-volume, low-cost retail gasoline stations, primarily in the parking areas of Wal-Mart Supercenters.Might as well be WalMart. They take all the WalMart cards and sell WalMart items.
Still $3.859 today.
Dretti299
06-01-08, 06:20 PM
$3.93? You lucky bastards. The cheapest around here was $4.36 last time I checked.
Seriously. We've got it between 4.25-4.36. :(
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
06-01-08, 06:36 PM
$3.93? You lucky bastards. The cheapest around here was $4.36 last time I checked.
$3.799 here.
fredgmuggs
06-01-08, 06:52 PM
I heard on the news the other night that CT now has the highest average price for a gallon of regular in the nation. Yay for us.
The highest taxes, the highest gas prices. Gotta love this state.
I heard on the news the other night that CT now has the highest average price for a gallon of regular in the nation. Yay for us.
The highest taxes, the highest gas prices. Gotta love this state.
Could be worse. You could have our traffic.
4bronxbombers
06-01-08, 08:58 PM
I heard on the news the other night that CT now has the highest average price for a gallon of regular in the nation. Yay for us.
The highest taxes, the highest gas prices. Gotta love this state.
Figures. Stupidass Connecticut. :(
just to let everyone know,
" perpetually running on fumes can damage a cars fuel pump- requiring repairs that make a full tank of $4 gas seem like a bargain. "
i know, this has happened to me already.
even if you cant fill the tank, at least try to maintain a 1/4 of a tank.
Dynasties R Forever
06-01-08, 11:42 PM
just to let everyone know,
" perpetually running on fumes can damage a cars fuel pump- requiring repairs that make a full tank of $4 gas seem like a bargain. "
i know, this has happened to me already.
even if you cant fill the tank, at least try to maintain a 1/4 of a tank.
I had a fuel pump go bad on a cargo van one time and start leaking. Had a friend with me while I was driving down the road. We started smelling gas, the fuel guage started dropping fast but we didn't have a good area to pull over for about 10 miles. We finally find a gas station, I get out and notice the fuel just gushing.
I tell my friend what's going on and before I get back in the van he's lighting up a cigarette!!!
i had a friend with me driving down the road once to and she was giving me a hummer
we pulled into a rest stop and had a smoke after
it sounds like that van was a regular carburated engine. the fuel pump most likely was somewhere attached to the frame.
if you run the tank on fumes and the fuel pump is located inside the gas tank, than you will most probably have a fuel pump malfunction in the near future. the thing needs to be submerged somewhat in gas.
Dynasties R Forever
06-02-08, 03:51 AM
i had a friend with me driving down the road once to and she was giving me a hummer
we pulled into a rest stop and had a smoke after
Wanna trade friends?
4bronxbombers
06-02-08, 07:15 AM
i had a friend with me driving down the road once to and she was giving me a hummer
we pulled into a rest stop and had a smoke after
it sounds like that van was a regular carburated engine. the fuel pump most likely was somewhere attached to the frame.
if you run the tank on fumes and the fuel pump is located inside the gas tank, than you will most probably have a fuel pump malfunction in the near future. the thing needs to be submerged somewhat in gas.
Wow Shotzie. :lol:
dabomb2045
06-02-08, 09:02 AM
In the span of about 2 miles on the major road that cuts thru my town....I saw six different gas stations. Prices went as follows: 4.12, 4.29, 4.07, 4.23, 4.10, 4.08
Can some explain to me how there could be as much as a 22 cent difference between gas stations that are like a half a mile away from each other?
johnnyyankee
06-02-08, 09:08 AM
In the span of about 2 miles on the major road that cuts thru my town....I saw six different gas stations. Prices went as follows: 4.12, 4.29, 4.07, 4.23, 4.10, 4.08
Can some explain to me how there could be as much as a 22 cent difference between gas stations that are like a half a mile away from each other?
They each probably took delivery on different dates and different rates. They need to calculate a profit margin. Those that took delivery at higher rates will hope to sell their inventory without incurring a loss. They may have to drop prices if they're unable to move it out in order to remain competitive.
My nephew told me there's a station that sells gas for $3.99 near their house (in Westchester, in a town where gas is more pricey than most places) because their pumps don't go to $4 and they can continue selling it for $3.99 until the company puts in new pumps.
Anyone know if there is truth to that?
Dretti299
06-02-08, 10:01 AM
My nephew told me there's a station that sells gas for $3.99 near their house (in Westchester, in a town where gas is more pricey than most places) because their pumps don't go to $4 and they can continue selling it for $3.99 until the company puts in new pumps.
Anyone know if there is truth to that?
There was a place out here like that too and according to the story on the news they had to stop selling gas as ordered by the gas co. and if they didnt their supply would not be replenished. I dont know if there is any truth to that or if they're allowed to do that, but that was how it was reported in the news story. :dunno:
$62 to fill my Honda Accord this morning.:( I'm so glad my lease was up on my Trailblazer when it was. I don't know how I'd have afforded it.
Also, $60 for 3 small bags of groceries in the foodstore last night.
Scary .................
I haven't really noticed the increase at the supermarket because I buy a good amount of stuff at WalMart (cereal is so much cheaper there, among other things, like health and beauty aids) and buy what's on sale or store brand at the supermarket. I also try to use coupons when I have them.
Sixty one
06-02-08, 10:54 AM
less car trips and more walking is the way to go to save money.....especially if you don't have to work, I'm retired.;)
montrealer
06-02-08, 11:07 AM
Today my Paper supplier from Virginia notified me that as of today A pallet of cardstock will cost me $2125.00 instead of $1400.00 due to transport cost increase. So as of today he has lost me as a client. I`ll go back to buying Canadian. That same pallet here will cost me $1800.00.
PalmerGA
06-02-08, 11:08 AM
Okay... Murphy USA. http://www.murphyoilcorp.com/
Might as well be WalMart. They take all the WalMart cards and sell WalMart items.
Still $3.859 today.$3.839 this morning. Better top-off on the way home. I heard on the radio that GA is going to raise it's State Tax on gasoline - didn't say by how much. It's currently 18 cents a gallon.
yankeesAZ
06-02-08, 11:54 AM
I heard on the radio that GA is going to raise it's State Tax on gasoline
:clap::clap::clap:
:D Your getting off easy on gas taxes there. Higher taxes will curb demand.
thecaptain
06-02-08, 02:34 PM
$3.97 $4.27
penfold
06-02-08, 02:44 PM
My nephew told me there's a station that sells gas for $3.99 near their house (in Westchester, in a town where gas is more pricey than most places) because their pumps don't go to $4 and they can continue selling it for $3.99 until the company puts in new pumps.
Anyone know if there is truth to that?
There probably is some truth to that. I read last week that some stations in NJ were charging for the half-gallon until their new pumps can be installed.
Anyway, I put in $31 at $4.15 on Saturday. Later that day, I saw only 1 station with a lower price and they were charging $4.10. I now have slightly over a half tank of gas.... I'm bummed that I couldn't even fill'er up.
PalmerGA
06-02-08, 04:38 PM
:clap::clap::clap:
:D Your getting off easy on gas taxes there. Higher taxes will curb demand.You people just lovvvvvvvvvvve taxes, don't you?
Bad news, I'm afraid yAZ. On the way home they said, amidst much protest, Gov. Sonny Purdue is going to belay the 3 cent hike that was to start July 1st. Now it won't happen until at least January '09.
:P
YankeePride1967
06-02-08, 04:40 PM
:clap::clap::clap:
:D Your getting off easy on gas taxes there. Higher taxes will curb demand.
Demand has already started decreasing, why are the prices still going up?
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
06-02-08, 06:45 PM
When I turned 17, I was thisclose to buying a Jeep. I'm so glad I bought my little Dodge Stratus now. I see my mom fill up her Chevy Trailblazer and my reaction is :giveup:.
RhodyYanksFan
06-03-08, 07:17 AM
When I turned 17, I was thisclose to buying a Jeep. I'm so glad I bought my little Dodge Stratus now. I see my mom fill up her Chevy Trailblazer and my reaction is :giveup:.
:lol: All I think about when I hear Dodge Stratus is that SNL skit.
SalingerNY
06-03-08, 07:37 AM
Demand has already started decreasing, why are the prices still going up?
I suspect inflationary pressures on the dollar are at least partially to blame.
RhodyYanksFan
06-03-08, 07:48 AM
40 billion barrels of oil in Montana? The governor says so.
Right now, the US Geological Service estimates that there are 4.3 billion barrels of recoverable oil in the Bakken region, which also reaches into North Dakota.
"They are always conservative," said Schweitzer, who greeted me in his office dressed in jeans, a white shirt and a string tie. "There will be more. It'll probably be more like 40 billion."
It's so much, in fact, that a discovery like that - or even hints of such a find - could ruin speculators' chances of getting the price of oil much higher than it already is.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05292008/business/montana_governor_is_sitting_on_an_oil_mi_113005.htm
yankeesAZ
06-03-08, 09:29 AM
You people just lovvvvvvvvvvve taxes, don't you?
Bad news, I'm afraid yAZ. On the way home they said, amidst much protest, Gov. Sonny Purdue is going to belay the 3 cent hike that was to start July 1st. Now it won't happen until at least January '09.
:P
Coward Governor!
The citizens should direct all their outrage somewhere else. The 3 cents isn't going to break them.
yankeesAZ
06-03-08, 09:31 AM
Demand has already started decreasing, why are the prices still going up?
Not enough yet. Yes, it's gone down, but not very much. It's a big deal, because for the first time in a long while our demand actually went down at all.
YankeePride1967
06-03-08, 09:39 AM
GM just announced that they are shutting down 4 plants that make trucks and SUVs.
xenadanielle
06-03-08, 09:41 AM
When I left for work yesterday the cheap place by me was $3.76, it was still $3.76 when I went home for lunch. Then later on it had been changed to $3.81. :(
RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
06-03-08, 09:58 AM
:lol: All I think about when I hear Dodge Stratus is that SNL skit.
One of the best skits ever. "I drive a Dodge Stratus!"
RhodyYanksFan
06-03-08, 10:05 AM
One of the best skits ever. "I drive a Dodge Stratus!"
"YOU WILL RESPECT ME!"
yankeesAZ
06-03-08, 10:30 AM
GM just announced that they are shutting down 4 plants that make trucks and SUVs.
It's just bad news all around for them. Even when they do start trotting out more smaller, fuel efficient cars, they will never see the gravy train they saw with the truck and SUV wave. Those vehicles were way more profitable than small cars.
RhodyYanksFan
06-03-08, 10:43 AM
It's just bad news all around for them. Even when they do start trotting out more smaller, fuel efficient cars, they will never see the gravy train they saw with the truck and SUV wave. Those vehicles were way more profitable than small cars.
They said there's talk of discontinuing the Hummer division altogether.
yankeesAZ
06-03-08, 10:53 AM
They said there's talk of discontinuing the Hummer division altogether.
Figured there still might be a market for the super rich though for the H2. But the H3 market must be drying up.
RhodyYanksFan
06-03-08, 11:29 AM
Figured there still might be a market for the super rich though for the H2. But the H3 market must be drying up.
Same with the 4-door Wranglers they came out with a few years ago. $30,000 and 17 mpg?? Who's gonna buy that these days?
Five Points
06-04-08, 07:00 PM
While I was filling up this morning, I noticed a gas station across the street had its premium selling above $5 a gallon, and it's regular not too far behind...
YankeePride1967
06-04-08, 07:13 PM
Due to a 1.9% reduction in driving and an increased inventory of 2.9% last week, oil dropped to $122 a barrel, off the high of $135. So much for the theory of an increased supply of oil having no effect on oil prices.
montrealer
06-05-08, 05:53 AM
$5.80 USG another new record......
RhodyYanksFan
06-05-08, 07:18 AM
Due to a 1.9% reduction in driving and an increased inventory of 2.9% last week, oil dropped to $122 a barrel, off the high of $135. So much for the theory of an increased supply of oil having no effect on oil prices.
But the prices at the gas station haven't dropped one bit. Even though they go up 5-6 cents immediately upon oil closing up.
YankeePride1967
06-05-08, 08:03 AM
But the prices at the gas station haven't dropped one bit. Even though they go up 5-6 cents immediately upon oil closing up.
Well it's always been slower to come down there. But if next week there is another encouraging report and oil drops to say, $110 a barrel it will all come down some.
xenadanielle
06-05-08, 09:35 AM
There is a Hummer dealer in my hometown, where my parents still live. Last night I saw some chick driving a brand new one while I was on my way over there. Who would even buy one now? I was hoping maybe she was a salesperson or something.
On a positive note, my cheap gas place that went up 5 cents to 3.81 the other day was down to 3.79 yesterday. :)
There is a Hummer dealer in my hometown, where my parents still live. Last night I saw some chick driving a brand new one while I was on my way over there. Who would even buy one now? I was hoping maybe she was a salesperson or something.
On a positive note, my cheap gas place that went up 5 cents to 3.81 the other day was down to 3.79 yesterday. :)
There are quite a few Hummers in our area. I can't understand someone buying one now though, unless money is no object or like you said, she's a salesperson.
Gas is still going up here. Anywhere from $4.25 to $4.45 for regular.
mjdlight
06-05-08, 12:16 PM
Due to a 1.9% reduction in driving and an increased inventory of 2.9% last week, oil dropped to $122 a barrel, off the high of $135. So much for the theory of an increased supply of oil having no effect on oil prices.
A thought experiment:
Let's say suddenly the supply of oil dramatically increased and gas dropped back down to 99 cents a gallon! And then we all started buying huge SUVs again, and research into alternatives dissapeared, and then the Indians and Chinese also began buying more and more cars because oil was so cheap, and then, uh oh!, once again oil prices shoot through the roof because our consumption has grown even higher, easily offsetting any supply increase that we created. Now what do we do??? The planet cannot sustain 2 billion people being as wasteful as Americans.
See, the problem is not one of supply. Its much deeper. Linking an economic system (Capitalism) that requires steady, infinite growth into the future to non-renewable hydrocarbons is fundamentally flawed. You can't sustain infinite growth based on a such a finite, scarce resource. When India and China moved away from Communism and toward Capitalism, oil's fate was sealed. We just didn't know it yet.
What would happen if we drilled ANWR? We'd waste it on frivilous things like driving a damn Hummer down 6th Ave. Again.
More oil is not the answer.
My friend suggested the other night that everyone stop driving for just one day.
I asked her two questions...
'Who is going to organize something like that?" and "Are you going to take the bus to work that day?" She didn't have an answer for the first one and said "If I have to" for the second one. Bull.
YankeePride1967
06-05-08, 12:42 PM
A thought experiment:
Let's say suddenly the supply of oil dramatically increased and gas dropped back down to 99 cents a gallon! And then we all started buying huge SUVs again, and research into alternatives dissapeared, and then the Indians and Chinese also began buying more and more cars because oil was so cheap, and then, uh oh!, once again oil prices shoot through the roof because our consumption has grown even higher, easily offsetting any supply increase that we created. Now what do we do??? The planet cannot sustain 2 billion people being as wasteful as Americans.
See, the problem is not one of supply. Its much deeper. Linking an economic system (Capitalism) that requires steady, infinite growth into the future to non-renewable hydrocarbons is fundamentally flawed. You can't sustain infinite growth based on a such a finite, scarce resource. When India and China moved away from Communism and toward Capitalism, oil's fate was sealed. We just didn't know it yet.
What would happen if we drilled ANWR? We'd waste it on frivilous things like driving a damn Hummer down 6th Ave. Again.
More oil is not the answer.
And you didn't say anything above that I didn't already know, or agree with and I'm guessing you've missed my entire point overall. If you saw the thread "What have you done to change your driving habits" started by ME, then you would see that I already know and agree with what you said above. I'm not saying we should drill NOW in the places. The boat has saled. But what I disagree with is those that are saying "it's okay gas and oil prices are going crazy and we should just sit around smile and say thank you, may I have another". And the point in the past pages made by some was that an increase in supply and/or a decrease in demand would have no effect. This has been proven false.
I'm not speaking of ANWR, I'm talking about combining ALL of the areas we can be drilling. And I agree oil isn't the long term answer, but until we find better and alternate sources of anwers, we need to do something. People are hurting. But rather than do something, i.e. come up with alternate sources of energy, we get the left blaming the oil companies, who are simply pricing the oil based on some panicky ninnies on Wall Street and dumb citizens buying the latest style SUV because their neighbor has the newest one. Somehow countries like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia sell their gas to their citizens at prices far south of a dollar as they have the oil. We don't. But the problem is, it's too late so I agree now there's no sense in drilling in areas we've stopped drilling for some odd reason. We've sunk ourselves. And from what I've heard it would take 10 years to even start seeing any production anyway so I'm not advocating doing anything as it is too late to do anything.
I agree with what you are saying about the large cars, you aren't saying anything everyone doesn't already know, but I'm not advocating 99 cents here. But is 2-3 dollars too much to ask? Right now our entire economy is going down fast because of the oil prices. Unless you like recessions, I disagree that going forward with the status quo is the way to go. What I'm saying and what many are saying is we need alternate sources of energy. This isn't a US failure, it's a world failure. I am longing for the day we are 100% energy self-sufficient and we can totally keep our noses out of the unstable portions of the world we are currently reliant upon for oil. And I never said anything about infinite growth, I don't know where that false assumption came from. What I was saying we should have done is while we were seeking alternate forms of energy we should have been drilling to keep the prices down. From what you said one would think that gas prices went from $1 to $4 in the past week. It's taken over SEVEN YEARS for it to get to this point and we have done nothing. Time to wake up world and the idea to do nothing and keep on going as we are is absolute stupidity.
YankeePride1967
06-05-08, 12:43 PM
My friend suggested the other night that everyone stop driving for just one day.
I asked her two questions...
'Who is going to organize something like that?" and "Are you going to take the bus to work that day?" She didn't have an answer for the first one and said "If I have to" for the second one. Bull.
I'm already doing that. Either Saturday or Sunday I stay home.
RhodyYanksFan
06-05-08, 12:47 PM
I'm already doing that. Either Saturday or Sunday I stay home.
We're moving to a 4 day work week here. I have a 20 mile commute each way so that extra day of not coming here really helps. Plus I have a job where I can do my 35 hours in 4 days as opposed to 5.
I'm already doing that. Either Saturday or Sunday I stay home.
Yeah, I've been trying not to drive everyday myself. But she meant everyone on one day. Like a "National no driving day"...sorta like the Great American Smoke-out.
YankeePride1967
06-05-08, 01:09 PM
Yeah, I've been trying not to drive everyday myself. But she meant everyone on one day. Like a "National no driving day"...sorta like the Great American Smoke-out.
That won't work, but if they tried to get everyone to commit to one day a week of their choosing, that would be more successful.
That won't work, but if they tried to get everyone to commit to one day a week of their choosing, that would be more successful.
But it wouldn't have as big an impact on the oil companies I don't think.
johnnyyankee
06-05-08, 01:11 PM
Yeah, I've been trying not to drive everyday myself. But she meant everyone on one day. Like a "National no driving day"...sorta like the Great American Smoke-out.
I wonder what impact something like that would have on small businesses....retail, restaurants etc. I'm sure they'd suffer, but how badly?
I wonder what impact something like that would have on small businesses....retail, restaurants etc. I'm sure they'd suffer, but how badly?
Yeah, I don't know. This friend of mine's family owns a deli, and she's already complaining their business is hurting, so I guess she didn't think that through too well.
YankeePride1967
06-05-08, 01:15 PM
But it wouldn't have as big an impact on the oil companies I don't think.
Sure it will. 1 day out of 7 is 14%. An increase of less than 2% of supply caused the price of a barrel of oil to go from $135 a barrel to $122 a barrel. That's how volatile it is. And if next week it goes down, the oil will shoot back up. If, say 1/2 of us did that, then that's a around a 7% (it's hard to estimate because of how much exactly they would be driving less) decrease in usage. And last month people driving did go down 2.9% as well. People are starting to do it and if people do more to drive less then it will at least stop the prices from going any higher. But this is only band aid repair work. We have to find other sources than oil and gas to fuel our homes, cars, etc. And people have to start educating themselves and thinking of something other than themselves. People blame the government and the big bad oil companies, but predominantly, we only have ourselves to blame.
YankeePride1967
06-05-08, 01:17 PM
I wonder what impact something like that would have on small businesses....retail, restaurants etc. I'm sure they'd suffer, but how badly?
My guess is minimal, and in fact some may even increase. If on Friday I decide I'm staying home on Saturday, I might go to the movie store to rent a few movies. And if I'm running low on milk or whatever, I'll still get it, but on Friday. And if I wanted to go out to eat, I'd go out Friday night or Sunday instead. I think there would be an impact to some places, but I don't think it would be that bad.
mjdlight
06-05-08, 01:20 PM
And you didn't say anything above that I didn't already know, or agree with and I'm guessing you've missed my entire point overall. If you saw the thread "What have you done to change your driving habits" started by ME, then you would see that I already know and agree with what you said above. I'm not saying we should drill NOW in the places. The boat has saled. But what I disagree with is those that are saying "it's okay gas and oil prices are going crazy and we should just sit around smile and say thank you, may I have another". And the point in the past pages made by some was that an increase in supply and/or a decrease in demand would have no effect. This has been proven false.
I'm not speaking of ANWR, I'm talking about combining ALL of the areas we can be drilling. And I agree oil isn't the long term answer, but until we find better and alternate sources of anwers, we need to do something. People are hurting. But rather than do something, i.e. come up with alternate sources of energy, we get the left blaming the oil companies, who are simply pricing the oil based on some panicky ninnies on Wall Street and dumb citizens buying the latest style SUV because their neighbor has the newest one. Somehow countries like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia sell their gas to their citizens at prices far south of a dollar as they have the oil. We don't. But the problem is, it's too late so I agree now there's no sense in drilling in areas we've stopped drilling for some odd reason. We've sunk ourselves. And from what I've heard it would take 10 years to even start seeing any production anyway so I'm not advocating doing anything as it is too late to do anything.
I agree with what you are saying about the large cars, you aren't saying anything everyone doesn't already know, but I'm not advocating 99 cents here. But is 2-3 dollars too much to ask? Right now our entire economy is going down fast because of the oil prices. Unless you like recessions, I disagree that going forward with the status quo is the way to go. What I'm saying and what many are saying is we need alternate sources of energy. This isn't a US failure, it's a world failure. I am longing for the day we are 100% energy self-sufficient and we can totally keep our noses out of the unstable portions of the world we are currently reliant upon for oil. And I never said anything about infinite growth, I don't know where that false assumption came from. What I was saying we should have done is while we were seeking alternate forms of energy we should have been drilling to keep the prices down. From what you said one would think that gas prices went from $1 to $4 in the past week. It's taken over SEVEN YEARS for it to get to this point and we have done nothing. Time to wake up world and the idea to do nothing and keep on going as we are is absolute stupidity.
An ideal capitalist economy is one that grows, year after year. One could say that is the very definition of "infinite growth", growth without end. When a capitalist economy stops growing, we call it a recession. We call it a broken economy that needs fixing.
So I first ask again, how is a economic system that is premised on steady growth compatible with an energy source that is finite? That to me, is the truest and deepest root of our energy problems. The world worked much better when a huge chunk of it was living under Communist regimes that had crappy economic growth, allowing the West to be profligate in its energy usage and lifestyles. Those days, alas, are over.
And my point is that drilling is only going to have a temporary effect on prices, at best, and probably a very modest one. There are simply too many people who aspire to our way of life now. Its sort of like adding lanes to a highway to relieve congestion. Adding more lanes ultimately adds more cars, and you end up right where you began, usually fairly quickly.
The best thing that could happen for oil prices is for China and India to drop their capitalist ambitions and accept perpetual poverty, allowing us to maintain our superior position over them for eternity. I'm not holding my breath.
In the short term, if you really want to help people, strengthing the dollar is probably the best way to lower oil prices quickly and immediately.
But that involves two things people don't like:
1. Interest rate increases (oh noes, less cheap debt! -- how am I going to afford that mortgage I can't really afford??)
2. Reducing government spending/increasing taxation.
Regulating the energy markets would help too...but in the minds of many, more regulation of markets = evil freedom hating socialist government and death of American freedom.
YankeePride1967
06-05-08, 01:23 PM
An ideal capitalist economy is one that grows, year after year. One could say that is the very definition of "infinite growth", growth without end. When a capitalist economy stops growing, we call it a recession. We call it a broken economy that needs fixing.
So I first ask again, how is a economic system that is premised on steady growth compatible with an energy source that is finite?
And my point is that drilling is only going to have a temporary effect on prices, at best, and probably a very modest one. There are simply too many people who aspire to our way of life now. Its sort of like adding lanes to a highway to relieve congestion. Adding more lanes ultimately adds more cars, and you end up right where you began, usually fairly quickly.
The best thing that could happen for oil prices is for China and India to drop their capitalist ambitions and accept perpetual poverty, allowing us to maintain our superior position over them for eternity. I'm not holding my breath.
In the short term, if you really want to help people, strengthing the dollar is probably the best way to lower oil prices quickly and immediately.
But that involves two things people don't like:
1. Interest rate increases (oh noes, less cheap debt! -- how am I going to afford that mortgage I can't really afford??)
2. Reducing government spending/increasing taxation.
I never said anything of the sort. I ask you again to read my posts as it is obvious you haven't.
I will say yet again that we need alternative sources of energy. Alternative means NOT OIL.
Once again you haven't said anything I don't already know or disagree with other than I disagree that we should do nothing and wait for China and India to fall. We need alternative energy sources, we cannot rely on oil as it won't last forever.
And I know that one way to TEMPORARILY improve the problem is to correct what is causing the spike and the value of the dollar, but as I've said before and you just said, bringing the price down basically leads to SUVs on the road.
mjdlight
06-05-08, 01:25 PM
I never said anything of the sort. I ask you again to read my posts as it is obvious you haven't.
I will say yet again that we need alternative sources of energy. Alternative means NOT OIL.
Once again you haven't said anything I don't already know or disagree with other than I disagree that we should do nothing and wait for China and India to fall. We need alternative energy sources, we cannot rely on oil as it won't last forever.
Sorry Yankee1967, I didn't mean to imply you said that, it was my own assertion. I thought that was obvious. It was my own thinking aloud about a growth oriented economic system wedded to a resource that cannot be replenished...
johnnyyankee
06-05-08, 01:26 PM
My guess is minimal, and in fact some may even increase. If on Friday I decide I'm staying home on Saturday, I might go to the movie store to rent a few movies. And if I'm running low on milk or whatever, I'll still get it, but on Friday. And if I wanted to go out to eat, I'd go out Friday night or Sunday instead. I think there would be an impact to some places, but I don't think it would be that bad.
So, you'll use extra gas on Fri and Sunday in order to avoid driving on Saturday? Your philosophy works in both cases. The businesses will do their business because the consumer will go to greater lengths to get their errands done Fri and Sun. So too will the gas be used Fri and Sun. What the oil co. doesn't get on a given day, they'll get another day.
YankeePride1967
06-05-08, 01:29 PM
Sorry Yankee1967, I didn't mean to imply you said that, it was my own assertion. I thought that was obvious. It was my own thinking aloud about a growth oriented economic system wedded to a resource that cannot be replenished...
Okay, from reading it, it sounded like you thought I was stating to just drill anywhere and do nothing else. I agree that oil is something that we can't afford to rely on 100% as we have. I don't think it's as finite as there have always been fossils and there will be more oil made as a result, but the problem is that the demand has gone to the level that cannot be sustained. I don't think we'll ever be totally off oil, but we need to drastically decrease the amount we use.
YankeePride1967
06-05-08, 01:32 PM
So, you'll use extra gas on Fri and Sunday in order to avoid driving on Saturday? Your philosophy works in both cases. The businesses will do their business because the consumer will go to greater lengths to get their errands done Fri and Sun. So too will the gas be used Fri and Sun. What the oil co. doesn't get on a given day, they'll get another day.
Extra gas only if I don't stop to the movie store that is right on my way home or capitalize on netflix. Same goes with a gallon of milk. Instead of going out Saturday morning for it, stop at the convenience store on the way home from work Friday. No extra gas used. And as far as other errands, there are of course things that can't be avoided (i.e. bringing kids to soccer practice, etc.) but if people buy enough of something to last them a week (or even longer if non-perishable) instead of just enough to get them through the weekend, it will cut down on the errands they have to make.
My beef, I guess, is with the people that do nothing to help the energy situation (buy bigger cars, don't try to minimize unnecessary travel in times like these) but just complain about the "big bad oil companies" for basically charging what Wall Street says they can charge.
Obviously this doesn't work for everybody, but if everyone was willing to actually sacrifice something in their life for the overall good and did what they can do, maybe we wouldn't be complaining about $4 plus gas prices.
JeterRodriguezSheff
06-05-08, 01:49 PM
So, you'll use extra gas on Fri and Sunday in order to avoid driving on Saturday? Your philosophy works in both cases. The businesses will do their business because the consumer will go to greater lengths to get their errands done Fri and Sun. So too will the gas be used Fri and Sun. What the oil co. doesn't get on a given day, they'll get another day.
Im just going to start walking every time my destination is even remotely close in walking distance. I live close to supermarkets and the like.
Stupid Flanders
06-05-08, 04:55 PM
A thought experiment:
Let's say suddenly the supply of oil dramatically increased and gas dropped back down to 99 cents a gallon! And then we all started buying huge SUVs again, and research into alternatives dissapeared, and then the Indians and Chinese also began buying more and more cars because oil was so cheap, and then, uh oh!, once again oil prices shoot through the roof because our consumption has grown even higher, easily offsetting any supply increase that we created. Now what do we do??? The planet cannot sustain 2 billion people being as wasteful as Americans.
See, the problem is not one of supply. Its much deeper. Linking an economic system (Capitalism) that requires steady, infinite growth into the future to non-renewable hydrocarbons is fundamentally flawed. You can't sustain infinite growth based on a such a finite, scarce resource. When India and China moved away from Communism and toward Capitalism, oil's fate was sealed. We just didn't know it yet.
What would happen if we drilled ANWR? We'd waste it on frivilous things like driving a damn Hummer down 6th Ave. Again.
More oil is not the answer.
This attitude is like a cop chasing a criminal who stabbed someone, and neglecting to call an ambulance for the stabbing victim. "The bleeding isn't the problem. We need to stop the stabber.."
The two are not mutually exclusive. You can drill for additional resources to create jobs and keep money local to the US AND still develop alternate fuels and better gas economy vehicles.
Im just going to start walking every time my destination is even remotely close in walking distance. I live close to supermarkets and the like.
Luckily, we have a deli down the street from us and my son thinks it's fun to go there and pick things up I need, so I send him for stuff like milk, bread and eggs. :)
Meecham4ever
06-05-08, 07:22 PM
Not anytime soon. We'll be lucky to see anything under $2 again and even if we do the price will not stay under $2 for very long. So we better get used to it.
Those were the good ol' days, eh?
YankeePride1967
06-05-08, 07:23 PM
Those were the good ol' days, eh?
Heck, $3 were the good ol' days :)
Dretti299
06-05-08, 07:32 PM
Heck, $3 were the good ol' days :)
How sad is that?!
How sad is that?!
Pretty sad. :lol:
There's a gas station that went out of business awhile ago near my house and the old price is still up on the sign. To think we were compaining about the price then...$2.45. :eek:
YankeePride1967
06-05-08, 07:59 PM
Pretty sad. :lol:
There's a gas station that went out of business awhile ago near my house and the old price is still up on the sign. To think we were compaining about the price then...$2.45. :eek:
There is a closed gas station in Shelton, CT that still has the $1.35.9 sign up for 87 octane. Each time I drive by it, I'm tempted to get out and tear the thing down.
yankeesAZ
06-05-08, 10:39 PM
There is a closed gas station in Shelton, CT that still has the $1.35.9 sign up for 87 octane. Each time I drive by it, I'm tempted to get out and tear the thing down.
Some young kids in Shelton probably think the station was closed 30 years ago with that price.
jlw1980
06-05-08, 10:56 PM
$3.969 for regular at the "cheap" place by me. It makes me violently angry.
yankeesAZ
06-06-08, 12:33 PM
Due to a 1.9% reduction in driving and an increased inventory of 2.9% last week, oil dropped to $122 a barrel, off the high of $135. So much for the theory of an increased supply of oil having no effect on oil prices.
That was short-lived. Oil trading at record levels today and made record one-day jumps in each of the last two days.
Filled up today at $4.25. Had about 1/4 to start with. $56.00
But that should last me about a week and a half.
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