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Hitman23

08-09-05, 01:38 PM

Anyone been looking into their keepers for next year? I've been juggling the extended contracts with the 1 year deals. I'm hoping to finish this year off somewhere at the top and I've made some serious headway so far. Still in the middle though. Worse comes to worse I'm gonna go with a few stars with 1 year deal so I don't have to bid.

Here's a preliminary look:
1 yr deals
Jeter 28
Green 10
Ordonez 18
Ichiro 38 (tough but he helps in alot of categories)
P Wilson 5
Silva 10

Multi yr deals:
Shields 1
Zito 11
Wright 19
Lackey 1
Benson 9

Nothing spectacular. Wright, Shields, Zito, and Lackey are probably my best guys. Of course this is with no research, I'll look at values before the draft next year and see where guys sit.

I'm taking a shot with Wright, I might sign him for the full length. he's gonna be a monster in a year or two and I think it will pay off.

ruthianblast

08-10-05, 02:45 PM

Roberts at least 2 yrs
Stewart at least 2 yrs
Peavy option
Tejada option
Tracy 2 yrs
Haren 2 yrs
Blanton option
Giambino option or 2 yrs
Kazmir 2 or 3 yrs
possibly Edmonds/Matsui

and that's just off the top of my head.

Snatch Catch

08-10-05, 05:08 PM

Bay ($12): 2 years
Sizemore ($10): 2 years
Berkman ($9): 2 years

Bonderman ($7): Option or 2
Francis ($5): Option or 2
Gordon ($10): Option
Penny ($5): Option or 2
Lidge ($19): Option
Hafner ($20): Option

There's probably changes ahead, but thats for now.

boo_427

08-10-05, 05:58 PM

Would I be crazy to resign Pujols? Even at $47?

yanksphan

08-10-05, 06:04 PM

Would I be crazy to resign Pujols? Even at $47?

Seeing that a lot of us blew our loads like virgins on prom nite at the beginning of this auction, I'd be willing to bet he goes for much less next year (if you don't).

Unfortunately, I drank too much on prom night and took Mota home thinking it was Lidge or something....:mad:

miko

08-10-05, 07:17 PM

What's a keeper?

ruthianblast

08-10-05, 07:35 PM

Would I be crazy to resign Pujols? Even at $47?

Yes you would; Guerrero is getting thrown back.

Snatch Catch

08-10-05, 07:35 PM

Would I be crazy to resign Pujols? Even at $47?

In a word..."Yes"

Snatch Catch

08-10-05, 07:41 PM

What's a keeper?

Serious or no?

ruthianblast

08-10-05, 08:01 PM

Actually looking at my roster here are my real keepers, contract lengths at this time unknown.

Dan Haren
Joe Blanton
Scott Kazmir
Gustavo Chacin
BJ Ryan
Jason Giambi
Ken Griffey
Mark Teixeira
Brian Roberts
Miguel Tejada
Chad Tracy
Shannon Stewart

That's it, overall I think it's a pretty good start for next year, I might change one or 2 but not more than that.

boo_427

08-10-05, 08:24 PM

Yes, but how valuable are the rights to the best fantasy player in the game for the last 5 years?

I know throwing him back to you wolves is gonna mean a 50 spot anyway in the auction. Especially with they SOME of you like to jack the price up.

Plus, it is fantasy and so much for traditional logic. :D

chanman7483

08-11-05, 10:42 AM

I'm prepared to dish out big bucks for top players, Reasonable thought be damned ,as my team is pretty much set for next year and beyond. BTW, feel free to dish out 47 plus for pujols.. won't hurt my feelings :D

Definite
Jason Larue(1)
Victor Martinez(16)
Paul Konerko(17)
Pedro Feliz(8)
Cano(5)
Swisher(10)
Matt Clement(14)
Sabathia(9)
Huston Street(5)
Webb(9)
Ryan Howard(5)
Conor Jackson(10)
Thomas Diamond(10)
Upton(10)
Scott Olsen(10)

Maybe
Figgins(15)- depending on how much i have to pay for him next year
Odalis Perez(9)
Mike Sweeney(3)- Depends on what I think about his back... he's a steal at $3 otherwise

Big_E

08-11-05, 10:44 AM

I'm prepared to dish out big bucks for top players, Reasonable thought be damned ,as my team is pretty much set for next year and beyond.

Definite
Jason Larue(1)
Victor Martinez(16)
Paul Konerko(17)
Pedro Feliz(8)
Cano(5)
Swisher(10)
Matt Clement(14)
Sabathia(9)
Huston Street(5)
Webb(9)
Ryan Howard(5)
Conor Jackson(10)
Thomas Diamond(10)
Upton(10)
Scott Olsen(10)

Maybe
Figgins(15)- depending on how much i have to pay for him next year
Odalis Perez(9)
Mike Sweeney(3)- Depends on what I think about his back

You have 15 definites -- we can only keep 7-12 players.

chanman7483

08-11-05, 10:46 AM

You have 15 definites -- we can only keep 7-12 players.

Doh - - I can throw minor league players back right?

boo_427

08-11-05, 10:47 AM

I think Olsen should be five unless you activated him...

Big_E

08-11-05, 10:55 AM

Doh - - I can throw minor league players back right?

Yeah, minor leaguers can be kept with no increase in salary and do not count against your 7-12 player limit, IIRC.

Big_E

08-11-05, 10:57 AM

After a great start, my only players who have earned back their salary this year are:

Batista, Miguel RP TOR
Cantu, Jorge L. 2B TB
Clark, Tony 1B ARI
Cordero, Chad RP WAS
Crawford, Carl LF TB
Hoffman, Trevor RP SD
Johnson, Nick 1B WAS
Nixon, Trot RF BOS
Peralta, Jhonny SS CLE
Sanders, Reggie RF STL
Sexson, Richie 1B SEA
Soriano, Alfonso 2B TEX
Willis, Dontrelle SP FLA

I would also consider Adam Eaton, since he'd be positive if he hadn't been injured.

That's 14 players to choose from, and to choose whether or not to sign to a long-term deal or renew. I think it's safe to say that Hoffman is a renewal if I keep him, simply based on his age.

And yes -- to the person in the auction who said I paid for Soriano ($35) based on his 2002 numbers -- he has earned a profit this year. :P

chanman7483

08-11-05, 10:58 AM

I think Olsen should be five unless you activated him...

I think I activated him, but then put him back in the minors because he was sent back down.. is he 5 now?

Revised keeper list

Definite
Victor Martinez(16)
Paul Konerko(17)
Pedro Feliz(8)
Cano(5)
Swisher(5)
Sabathia(9)
Huston Street(5)
Webb(9)
Ryan Howard(5)
Conor Jackson(5)
Upton(13)
Scott Olsen(5)

chanman7483

08-11-05, 10:59 AM

Wait, So then the original list was fine... I had 15 players, 3 were in the minors...

Snatch Catch

08-11-05, 11:15 AM

I think I activated him, but then put him back in the minors because he was sent back down.. is he 5 now?

Revised keeper list

Definite
Victor Martinez(16)
Paul Konerko(17)
Pedro Feliz(8)
Cano(5)
Swisher(10)
Sabathia(9)
Huston Street(5)
Webb(9)
Ryan Howard(5)
Conor Jackson(10)
Upton(10)
Scott Olsen(10)

Olson was a minor leaguer; he is $5.

However, he is not on your minor league roster, he is a major leaguer who has been reserved due to a demotion that was not based on a returning injured player (I could be wrong, so let me know if I am). If this is the case, he doesn't count as a minor leaguer; he would have to be protected as one of the 7-12 guys.

Swisher is $5, too, as is Jackson.

Upton is NOT $10. He is either $9 or $13 (I forget how long GHR signed him and don't feel like looking it up right now).

chanman7483

08-11-05, 11:17 AM

Olson was a minor leaguer; he is $5.

However, he is not on your minor league roster, he is a major leaguer who has been reserved due to a demotion that was not based on a returning injured player (I could be wrong, so let me know if I am). If this is the case, he doesn't count as a minor leaguer; he would have to be protected as one of the 7-12 guys.

Swisher is $5, too, as is Jackson.

Upton is NOT $10. He is either $9 or $13 (I forget how long GHR signed him and don't feel like looking it up right now).

Thanks for clearing that up. I prefer upton to be $9, so GHR, give me an update...

Then that is my keeper list - - the most recent one. All of those guys are in the majors now, so I'll just leave it as that. Very excited about Ryan Howard and Conor Jackson!! The Phillies better make room for Howard...

EDIT: Upton is $13

ruthianblast

08-11-05, 11:21 AM

Thanks for clearing that up. I prefer upton to be $9, so GHR, give me an update...

Then that is my keeper list - - the most recent one. All of those guys are in the majors now, so I'll just leave it as that. Very excited about Ryan Howard and Conor Jackson!! The Phillies better make room for Howard...

I do believe I signed him for 2 years.

chanman7483

08-11-05, 11:22 AM

I do believe I signed him for 2 years.

3 years at $13

chanman7483

08-11-05, 11:22 AM

Ugh, what're they going to do with him... he's stuck behind Cantu

boo_427

08-11-05, 11:28 AM

E Jack update:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Edwin%20Jackson&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&did=milb&pid=429719

chanman7483

08-11-05, 11:35 AM

ouch... and you have him on for 2 more years?

Snatch Catch

08-11-05, 11:38 AM

I'm wondering who is going to be the first guy to receive a 4 year contract...

King Felix is up because of an injury at this point, right?

If so, his contract status may be able to be put off until after the '06 season.

Brian Roberts is certainly debatable ($17 for 4 years)

But after that, I'm not sure.

I think I may actually have the best shot with Delmon Young, who is an absolute monster, and is a hitter which makes it easier to burst on the scene and maintain dominance.

If he comes up next year and plays well, I think he may have the best chance at THIS point in time to be the first 4 year contract.

ruthianblast

08-11-05, 11:46 AM

If so, his contract status may be able to be put off until after the '06 season.

Brian Roberts is certainly debatable ($17 for 4 years)

No way Roberts is worth alot, but not that much, he's getting 3 years max.

Big_E

08-11-05, 11:50 AM

Is Dontrelle Willis worth $24? He is signed at $8. (Roto Times says $25)
What about Chad Cordero? Signed at $3, is he worth $19? (Roto Times says $32)
Adam Eaton -- when healthy is he worth $21? (He's low due to injury)

questions, questions, questions...

chanman7483

08-11-05, 11:53 AM

Is Dontrelle Willis worth $24? He is signed at $8.
What about Chad Cordero? Signed at $3, is he worth $19?
Adam Eaton -- when healthy is he worth $21?

questions, questions, questions...

Wait... with long term deals, the salary increased each successive year? I thought the tradeoff for a long term deal vs a 1 year deal was that with 1 year deals, you have the flexibility to drop the player or re-sign them - - at a $5 increase. With long term deals, you're stuck with the player... you're taking a gamble.

Big_E

08-11-05, 11:55 AM

Wait... with long term deals, the salary increased each successive year? I thought the tradeoff for a long term deal vs a 1 year deal was that with 1 year deals, you have the flexibility to drop the player or re-sign them - - at a $5 increase. With long term deals, you're stuck with the player... you're taking a gamble.

If you renew a player, you get him for one year, at his current (2005) salary, but cannot renew him or sign him to a long term deal after one year.

If you sign a player to a long-term (2-4 year) contract, his salary increases by $4 for each year of the deal.

So a $5 player, signed to a 2-year deal costs $13 A YEAR (4*2, +5)
A $5 player signed to a 4-year deal costs $21 A YEAR (4*4, +5)

ruthianblast

08-11-05, 12:39 PM

chanman7483

08-11-05, 12:56 PM

Sorry, I wasn't very active in all those discussions...

Not a big fan of it, but whatever.

Hitman23

08-11-05, 12:59 PM

The rules for resigning a player are harsh. When I first read the rules I took it as a $4 increase each season you keep him. Meaning:
David Wright signed for $19, 3 yr extension:
2006 - $23
2007 - $27
2008 - $31

Having the entire amount each year makes it very tough to want to sign anyone to a multi-year deal that didn't cost $1.

chanman7483

08-11-05, 01:03 PM

BJ upton is officially on the block

Snatch Catch

08-11-05, 01:03 PM

The rules for resigning a player are harsh.

Having the entire amount each year makes it very tough to want to sign anyone to a multi-year deal that didn't cost $1.

Exactly. Thats the point. :)

Although I would say it would be anyone $5 or under.

Hitman23

08-11-05, 01:07 PM

Exactly. Thats the point. :)

Although I would say it would be anyone $5 or under.the entire philosophy of this league has taken everything I've learned about fanatsy baseball in the last 4 years and, well, shot it all to sh*t.

Thanks asshole.

:lol:

chanman7483

08-11-05, 01:07 PM

Damn, GHR is gonna have a pretty damn expensive team this year already...

yanksphan

08-11-05, 01:09 PM

Damn, GHR is gonna have a pretty damn expensive team this year already...

And then he'll have real trouble the following year when he's required to keep 7-12, but can't keep any of the 1 year extensions.

chanman7483

08-11-05, 01:12 PM

Get that jaret wright av out of here yanksphan.

Big_E

08-11-05, 01:15 PM

I don't think you'll see many 4 year deals, but some of my players can be signed to 4-year deals and still be worth the money (see above). It's a risk though, because if you drop the player you're penalized $1 for each year remaining on his contract.

yanksphan

08-11-05, 01:15 PM

Get that jaret wright av out of here yanksphan.

Why? He's winning the CY this year!

Hitman23

08-11-05, 01:18 PM

if you drop the player you're penalized $1 for each year remaining on his contract.You know what's even more disturbing that we have yet another penalty for something I didn't know of, is that you know it, and it wasn't even brought up.

You must have a god damn photographic memory.

boo_427

08-11-05, 01:31 PM

Francoeur and Duke are obvious canidates four the 4 yr deal as is Adam LaRoche.

Great discussion today about some grey issues.

Big_E

08-11-05, 01:35 PM

You know what's even more disturbing that we have yet another penalty for something I didn't know of, is that you know it, and it wasn't even brought up.

You must have a god damn photographic memory.

:lol: C'mon, you know I have basically memorized the rules in both leagues.

boo_427

08-11-05, 01:36 PM

:lol: C'mon, you know I have basically memorized the rules in both leagues.

You? No way! E, with the rules... yanksphan with the transactions. I think our league is set for a while.

chanman7483

08-11-05, 01:41 PM

I'll trade you Upton for Franceour and Duke! :(

boo_427

08-11-05, 01:44 PM

I'll trade you Upton for Francoeur and Duke! :(

:-rofl-: :roflmao: :-notfunny

As of right now, the two best rookies in the NL.

Snatch Catch

08-11-05, 01:54 PM

the entire philosophy of this league has taken everything I've learned about fanatsy baseball in the last 4 years and, well, shot it all to sh*t.

Thanks asshole.

:lol:

:lol:

Its all about making prudent decisions that are well informed and take a good knowledge of the sport to execute correctly.

Its about taking the "luck" factor out of the league, and instead making a team's successes tied more to the active decisions by the owner.

Suck it up, b*tch!

ruthianblast

08-11-05, 06:06 PM

:lol:

Its all about making prudent decisions that are well informed and take a good knowledge of the sport to execute correctly.

Its about taking the "luck" factor out of the league, and instead making a team's successes tied more to the active decisions by the owner.

Suck it up, b*tch!

Is that why I'm in first? :P

Mark19

08-16-05, 04:04 PM

I'm thinking I've gotta keep Barmes(5), Harden(18) and Halladay(21).
A-Rod(42) is expensive, but I must keep him.
Delgado(24), Sheets(33) and K-Rod(26) are a bit pricey
David Wells, Jermaine Dye, Milton Bradley, Kenny Rogers and Mike Hampton are all super bargains