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Stupid Flanders
07-06-05, 05:55 PM
NY Bombers receive:
Brad Halsey
Mark Kotsay
Lyle Overbay
Scott Rolen
Javier Vazquez
Springfield Nuclear Powerplant receive:
A.J. Burnett
Jason Giambi
Corey Koskie
Matt Stairs
Jaret Wright
yankeesrule2000
07-06-05, 07:45 PM
New York Bombers Press Release.
NY- This deal had to be made for the bomber's to fix up the infield, also we hate to lose Aj Burnett, but we have two young pitchers in Javy Vazquez and Brad Halsey coming back to us. Jason Giambi just started to hit, and the bombers play off push couldnt take the chance that he would keep it up and instead invested in Lyle Overbay, also Scott Rolen and MArk Kotsay are welcome additions to the team..
Ny Bombers President and CEO
Rich
Stupid Flanders
07-06-05, 08:12 PM
Springfield Power Plant Press release:
The guys we traded were all really big jerks
Power Plant CEO C. Montgomery Burns
The guys we traded were all really big jerks
Power Plant CEO C. Montgomery BurnsThey wouldn't get rid of their sideburns, huh?
I'm torn on this trade. The standard for objecting is "would this significantly change the balance of the league?" While it could be said that the Powerplant is not exactly tearing up the league with these players, the fact remains that the Bombers -- who are tied with two teams for first in their division -- get a significant upgrade at OF, 1B and 3B. (Pitching is pretty even).
I think an arguement can easily be made that this trade upsets the balance in the Ruth Division. While everyone obviously tries to improve themselves as the season progresses, I am taking a long look at this trade and the balance of the Ruth Division.
(And I haven't voted one way or another yet, for the record).
Stupid Flanders
07-06-05, 09:32 PM
They wouldn't get rid of their sideburns, huh?ONe of them keeps making chicken noises
Stupid Flanders
07-06-05, 09:33 PM
Eric, for the record, Burnett is a late round keeper and was the key to the deal for me.
Oh, and I will keep stats but watch Giambi outscore Overbay from here on out.
Eric, for the record, Burnett is a late round keeper and was the key to the deal for me.
Oh, and I will keep stats but watch Giambi outscore Overbay from here on out.
Then why a 10-player deal for Burnett?
Not trying to cause problems for you, usually I approve trades right away. This one I need to think about, with the ramifications for the Ruth race.
YanksRockMan
07-06-05, 10:32 PM
I respectfully object because Rich is definitely getting the better of the deal and it will definitely create an unbalance. :P
Stupid Flanders
07-07-05, 01:08 AM
I respectfully object because Rich is definitely getting the better of the deal and it will definitely create an unbalance. :P
Any deal made for keepers will obviously give the advantage to whomever is playing for this year.
Any deal made for keepers will obviously give the advantage to whomever is playing for this year.
True. I usually rank people as "keeper worthy" if they earn at least 40 spots higher than they were drafted, since you have to keep a player 2 rounds (or 40 spots, approximately) higher than the year before.
(UND=Undrafted. 421=undrafted value [21 rounds*20 teams, +1]. Earned is where the player ranks among ALL players using year-to-date scoring.)
Bombers give up:
Player, Drafted, Draft Spot, Earned, Keeper Worthy?
Stairs, UND, 421st pick, 233, YES (+188 spots)
Giambi, 3rd Rd, 58th pick, 272, NO (-214 spots)
Koskie, 8th Rd, 143rd pick, 483, NO (-340 spots)
Burnett, 12th Rd, 237th pick, 18, YES (+219 spots)
Wright, 20th Rd, 383rd pick, 995, NO (-612)
Powerplant gives up:
Kotsay, 12th Rd, 224th pick, 114, YES (+110 spots)
Overbay, 5th Rd, 98th pick, 115, NO (-17 spots)
Rolen, 1st Rd, 17th pick, 347, N/A (unkeepable pick)
Vazquez, 4th Rd, 64th pick, 30, BORDERLINE (+34 spots)
Halsey, UND, 421st pick, 281, YES (+140 spots)
So the Bombers give up potential keepers of Stairs and Burnett, while the Powerplant give up potential keepers of Kotsay, Halsey and possibly Vazquez.
So the Bombers get huge improvements in 3 positions, AND get 3 potential keepers...
yankeesrule2000
07-07-05, 08:39 AM
True. I usually rank people as "keeper worthy" if they earn at least 40 spots higher than they were drafted, since you have to keep a player 2 rounds (or 40 spots, approximately) higher than the year before.
(UND=Undrafted. 421=undrafted value [21 rounds*20 teams, +1]. Earned is where the player ranks among ALL players using year-to-date scoring.)
Bombers give up:
Player, Drafted, Draft Spot, Earned, Keeper Worthy?
Stairs, UND, 421st pick, 233, YES (+188 spots)
Giambi, 3rd Rd, 58th pick, 272, NO (-214 spots)
Koskie, 8th Rd, 143rd pick, 483, NO (-340 spots)
Burnett, 12th Rd, 237th pick, 18, YES (+219 spots)
Wright, 20th Rd, 383rd pick, 995, NO (-612)
Powerplant gives up:
Kotsay, 12th Rd, 224th pick, 114, YES (+110 spots)
Overbay, 5th Rd, 98th pick, 115, NO (-17 spots)
Rolen, 1st Rd, 17th pick, 347, N/A (unkeepable pick)
Vazquez, 4th Rd, 64th pick, 30, BORDERLINE (+34 spots)
Halsey, UND, 421st pick, 281, YES (+140 spots)
So the Bombers give up potential keepers of Stairs and Burnett, while the Powerplant give up potential keepers of Kotsay, Halsey and possibly Vazquez.
So the Bombers get huge improvements in 3 positions, AND get 3 potential keepers...
I dont think Vaz is worth that high of a pick, and i probably wont keep Kotsay either, the only player in this trade that im looking at keeping is Halsey.
Hitman23
07-07-05, 10:10 AM
*approved*
keeper value is subjective, especially halfway through the season before they are being kept.
If one of the teams was able to make a deal that improved them at 3 positions then good for them. That's the point of a trade, not to wash.
keeper value is subjective, especially halfway through the season before they are being kept.True, but I only addressed it because of what Stupid Flanders said.
If one of the teams was able to make a deal that improved them at 3 positions then good for them. That's the point of a trade, not to wash.
Yes, but in theory the point of a trade is for both teams to improve themselves, either for this year or next. As you point out, it's a little early to discuss keepers, so the question is, does this create imbalance in the league or the division? So far, at least 4 people think it does.
Hitman23
07-07-05, 10:30 AM
so the question is, does this create imbalance in the league or the division?that's the question.
I'd agree with you if it was blatant, but if it's just a couple of hundred points difference, I can't allow it to hurt the guys smart enough to pull it off. A couple of hundred points spread out over 15 weeks is what, 13 pts a week? 15? yeah it might help him win, but unbalance the league? not IMO.
that's the question.
I'd agree with you if it was blatant, but if it's just a couple of hundred points difference, I can't allow it to hurt the guys smart enough to pull it off. A couple of hundred points spread out over 15 weeks is what, 13 pts a week? 15? yeah it might help him win, but unbalance the league? not IMO.
I respect your opinion, Steve. Usually you and I are on the same side as far as deals, so this shows how close this particular deal is to falling on one side of the unbalanced fence or the other. I think the close race in the Ruth Division also affects how this deal affects the league.
I think this is one deal that might go to the commissioners for an opinion, but we'll see.
UPDATE: 5 objections so far. Last year, this would have gone to the commissioners when it hit 5. This year, the standard is 8 or more objections, so it will be interesting to see if this gets 3 more.
Hitman23
07-07-05, 12:17 PM
I know we usually are on the same page. This is definately a close trade. I think it's the amount of players that are causing issues. It's probably too subjective in too many areas.
yankeesrule2000
07-07-05, 02:16 PM
I dont really see why there are 5 objections. The players going both ways are comparable. The point total is different Because Wright and Koskie have been on the Dl but are coming back in a few days to a few weeks.
Hitman23
07-07-05, 02:24 PM
I dont really see why there are 5 objections. The players going both ways are comparable. The point total is different Because Wright and Koskie have been on the Dl but are coming back in a few days to a few weeks.Did you honestly think a deal involving 372 players was gonna go through without a few objections Rich?
yankeesrule2000
07-07-05, 02:28 PM
Did you honestly think a deal involving 372 players was gonna go through without a few objections Rich?
I knew we would have objections, but i think 9 is the total number to have it sent to the commish, i didnt think it would make it there.(i know it hasnt, but it looks like it can)
I knew we would have objections, but i think 9 is the total number to have it sent to the commish, i didnt think it would make it there.(i know it hasnt, but it looks like it can)
7 is the max number of objections. 8 sends it to the commish. If everyone votes, 8 would be 1/2 the league objecting.
7 is the max number of objections. 8 sends it to the commish. If everyone votes, 8 would be 1/2 the league objecting.
We haven't had one trade go to the Commish(es) yet this year. I better head over there and object...
Hitman23
07-07-05, 02:35 PM
I knew we would have objections, but i think 9 is the total number to have it sent to the commish, i didnt think it would make it there.(i know it hasnt, but it looks like it can)well, worst comes to worst you guys can rework the trade to make people happy. I'm sure a little tweaking wouldn't stop you guys from getting the deal done if it gets rejected.
The commishes are gonna have a ball with this one if it makes it though, that's for sure.
6 objections in less than 24 hours...
6 objections in less than 24 hours...Hey Eric, how many trades got sent to the commish's desk by this time last year?
I don't know exactly, but there were a few. More as the season went on, to where nearly EVERY trade got the 5 objections (which is why it was increased to 8 this year).
yankeesrule2000
07-07-05, 02:57 PM
whatever, if it goes to the commish and they reject it which i dont see how they could, then we will do what it takes to get it done.
Stupid Flanders
07-07-05, 03:04 PM
Yeah, I'm a bit confused as to the objections since this helps both of us
Hitman23
07-07-05, 03:15 PM
Yeah, I'm a bit confused as to the objections since this helps both of usyou realize of course that if you figure it out, we have to erase you. :cool:
Soriambi
07-07-05, 04:53 PM
I knew we would have objections, but i think 9 is the total number to have it sent to the commish, i didnt think it would make it there.(i know it hasnt, but it looks like it can)
It's eight, actually. If I said nine when we talked yesterday, I must have just hit 9 instead of 8 accidentally .:)
Stupid Flanders
07-07-05, 05:55 PM
7 of you? Come on now
7 of you? Come on now
Yeah, really! How come it's not 8?
...oh wait. That's not what you meant? :dunno: ;)
Stupid Flanders
07-07-05, 06:24 PM
Alls I know is I don't want those jerks back in my clubhouse
Alls I know is I don't want those jerks back in my clubhouseYou should have thought about this possibility before you issued that press release. :P
patrick.o
07-08-05, 02:04 AM
I wish people would gve explanations when they vote to reject. I can't see a good reason to object, but 7 people did so there must be something. I'd just like to know if I'm missing it or if I just don't agree with the conclussions people are coming to.
And for what it's worth I think the 'it unbalances the league' premis that we use is ridiculous. The goal of every trade I've ever made is to unbalance the league, in my favor. I deal in good faith and don't try to take advantage of people, but my objective is to give up as little as possible while getting as much as possible in return. Isn't that the point?
Well, it's up to Soriambi and miko now -- the trade hit 8 objections.
Soriambi
07-08-05, 02:48 PM
Please send any written opinions to my PM box, for or against the trade, if you so choose, letting me know why you think it should/should not go through. Also, a sorry to Rich and Flanders, but the decision on this trade might not be made until early next week, as it involves so many players and angles, and writing up a decision will take some time. I'll try to get it done by Sunday, but I'm going to the game tomorrow and Sunday, so I might not have a ton of time. I'm going to try my best, but we'll see.
Hitman23
07-08-05, 02:55 PM
Please send any written opinions to my PM box, for or against the trade, if you so choose, letting me know why you think it should/should not go through. Also, a sorry to Rich and Flanders, but the decision on this trade might not be made until early next week, as it involves so many players and angles, and writing up a decision will take some time. I'll try to get it done by Sunday, but I'm going to the game tomorrow and Sunday, so I might not have a ton of time. I'm going to try my best, but we'll see.Unacceptable. If our commish cannot come to a solid conclusion within 24 hours then we have to question his competence. I would hope that the dedicated person we elected to run this league will put his priorites in order and if it means missing the game, then so be it.
:soapbox:
Soriambi
07-08-05, 03:10 PM
Unacceptable. If our commish cannot come to a solid conclusion within 24 hours then we have to question his competence. I would hope that the dedicated person we elected to run this league will put his priorites in order and if it means missing the game, then so be it.
:soapbox:
:lol: :lol: It actually depends on how many responses I get from people that I want to incorporate into the decision. I see myself as being able to get it done by Sunday, but I would like to hear at least some of the arguments from both sides. :) (And yes, I know you were joking. :D)
yankeesrule2000
07-08-05, 03:51 PM
I wish people would gve explanations when they vote to reject. I can't see a good reason to object, but 7 people did so there must be something. I'd just like to know if I'm missing it or if I just don't agree with the conclussions people are coming to.
And for what it's worth I think the 'it unbalances the league' premis that we use is ridiculous. The goal of every trade I've ever made is to unbalance the league, in my favor. I deal in good faith and don't try to take advantage of people, but my objective is to give up as little as possible while getting as much as possible in return. Isn't that the point?
Thats what im saying.
Stupid Flanders
07-08-05, 04:04 PM
People are just jealous
They wish THEY had made a trade.
yankeesrule2000
07-09-05, 12:45 PM
I guess this trade wont be decided, and if it goes through we cant put the players on our roster's until next week.
I guess this trade wont be decided, and if it goes through we cant put the players on our roster's until next week.
Next week doesn't start until Thursday.
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