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NYDCYankee
06-03-05, 12:33 PM
I heard this on Sid and Joe today. I didn't see a thread about it so here we go.
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/311sd2.htm
So Bonds doesn't sign autographs for whites even if its for a charity. What a class act.
yanksphan
06-03-05, 12:45 PM
His Father, his son, Willie Mays and Jackie Robinson must all be so proud.
Mattpat11
06-03-05, 12:46 PM
Putting side that he's cheating in baseball, Bonds is just a terrible, terrible human being. That's why I have no problem gloating about his injury.
nhyankeefan
06-03-05, 12:46 PM
That's disgusting if it's a true story. Despite Kittle confirming it, I have my doubts because I don't see how something like this could be kept quiet for so long.
I heard this on Sid and Joe today. I didn't see a thread about it so here we go.
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/311sd2.htm
So Bonds doesn't sign autographs for whites even if its for a charity. What a class act.
Can you imagine the outrage if the roles were reversed, and Kittle told Bonds "I don't sign for black people"?
Mattpat11
06-03-05, 12:48 PM
That's disgusting if it's a true story. Despite Kittle confirming it, I have my doubts because I don't see how something like this could be kept quiet for so long.This is the first you've heard of this? Not this specifically, But Bonds refusing to sign for whites has been mentioned alot.
StaceyRosie
06-03-05, 12:48 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
NYDCYankee
06-03-05, 12:49 PM
That's disgusting if it's a true story. Despite Kittle confirming it, I have my doubts because I don't see how something like this could be kept quiet for so long.
I would like some corraboration especially from someone like Matt Williams who has alot of respect around the league. But hey i believe it.
rockinpoe
06-03-05, 12:49 PM
I heard this on Sid and Joe today. I didn't see a thread about it so here we go.
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/311sd2.htm
So Bonds doesn't sign autographs for whites even if its for a charity. What a class act.
Hey, it's the steroids man- they do all kinds of crazy things to your mind. Before he started using them Barry loved white people.
Bonds may not be the face of baseball, but he's definitely the face I'm using to represent humanity, the world. Tell those aliens, leave us the f*ck alone.
somejerk
06-03-05, 12:55 PM
I live in the bay area so I hear all kinds of Barry news, and he is just a truly disgusting human being. This may or may not be true but apparently he was in a circuit city up in San Carlos buying a new tv, and would only deal with a black salesman. They had to bring a guy from the home appliances department to sell him the tv because he was the only black guy working at the time. Then he was trying to get the TV for half price because he IS Barry Bonds. This may or may not be true, someone told me this in a bar, but it sounds consistent with everything else surrounding this guy. Either way, where there is smoke there is fire.
EddieCoyle
06-03-05, 12:57 PM
Why doesn't every pitcher throw right at his head? It's not like you can miss the thing.
YankeeClemens22
06-03-05, 01:01 PM
That's disgusting... if it is true.
nhyankeefan
06-03-05, 01:08 PM
This is the first you've heard of this? Not this specifically, But Bonds refusing to sign for whites has been mentioned alot.
I've heard rumors, but I always thought they were exagerrations. If Bonds truly has not signed an autograph for a white person for 15+ years, I just think it would have been a bigger story by now. Either way, I think he's a terrible human being.
What would he do if Michael Jackson asked him for an autograph? :dunno: :)
Evil Empire
06-03-05, 01:25 PM
I'm brown, will he sign for me?
Not that I want it.
IronCaballo4
06-03-05, 01:29 PM
This doesn't surprise me though. My ex girlfriend was rehabbing her knee at the same place as Anfernee Hardaway some years ago, and on the basketball courts, two little boys asked for his autograph, one white one black. He signed for the black boy and for the white kid he said "I don't give autographs to white people" and then walked out of the gym. That's just BEYOND messed up :mad:
MisterNovember
06-03-05, 01:32 PM
F*ck Barry Bonds. I hope he never sees a baseball field again.
Ok, I'm not giving steroid users my autograph...
Archer1979
06-03-05, 01:43 PM
What a waste of human growth hormones. :shakes head:
silverdsl
06-03-05, 01:56 PM
This supposedly happend in 1993. While it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it were true I'd like to hear something a little more recent that indicates whether this is still Bond's policy or not.
-Deborah
bleachersown
06-03-05, 02:01 PM
I heard this on the Fan also. I couldn't believe it.
YankeePride1967
06-03-05, 02:07 PM
racist.
RhodyYanksFan
06-03-05, 02:15 PM
Based on everything I know about the guy, I'll believe it. He really is a terrible human being, nevermind a horrible role-model. I hope to God that he never plays again and leads a very lonely life since he doesn't care about anyone but himself.
MassNYYfan
06-03-05, 02:22 PM
F*ck Barry Bonds. I hope he never sees a baseball field again.
I'm glad you said it so I could just add on an "I agree." :D
The_Explorer
06-03-05, 02:27 PM
amazing, but i can't say i'm surprised. What a shame.
someone should tell barry alot of his MILLIONS of dollars he gets for playing a game comes from white people.
Stick Michael
06-03-05, 02:34 PM
I guess I'm a bigot in a sense, too - I've long since stopped giving a rat's ass what baseball players named Barry Bonds think. I take pleasure in knowing that even if he breaks 'The Record' it was always have an asterisk next to it. Aaron's record, and Ruth's mark for that matter, are currently in no danger of being surpassed by a clean player.
James
BambinosRing
06-03-05, 02:35 PM
someone should tell barry alot of his MILLIONS of dollars he gets for playing a game comes from white people.
I would hope that the better argument is just that we're in a society that requires people to be open an accepting of all races and that he's being a horrible role model for people of all races. Despite our differences, we all live here together. Imagine the story if it were any other groups involved.
Also, would Barry sign something for Tiger?
RhodyYanksFan
06-03-05, 02:37 PM
Also, would Barry sign something for Tiger?
He would, since Tiger was drafted by black people in this year's racial draft. ;)
The real question is would he sign for Colin Powell.
SubwayFanatic
06-03-05, 02:38 PM
What would he do if Michael Jackson asked him for an autograph? :dunno: :)
"I don't sign for black people who are now white!"
The_Explorer
06-03-05, 02:42 PM
I would hope that the better argument is just that we're in a society that requires people to be open an accepting of all races and that he's being a horrible role model for people of all races. Despite our differences, we all live here together. Imagine the story if it were any other groups involved.
Also, would Barry sign something for Tiger?
exactly! i meant that as a snide comment to Barry, although of course barry will never change. The bigger issue is the millions of kids of all races who admire barry the baseball player. Whether he likes it or not he is a role model for these kids, for no other reason than being able to hit a baseball. It could damage a kid for life to go up to his idol barroid bonds and have him say something like that to him (assuming he would make that comment to a kid)
MassNYYfan
06-03-05, 02:55 PM
He would, since Tiger was drafted by black people in this year's racial draft. ;)
The real question is would he sign for Colin Powell.
:roflmao:
CoyoteYankee
06-03-05, 02:57 PM
He would, since Tiger was drafted by black people in this year's racial draft. ;)
The real question is would he sign for Colin Powell.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
IMO best comedy skit ever!!!
Barry Bonds is an ass...I'm a black and white mix...does that mean he'll only sign his first name for me? :P
I'm sure he'll sell his autograph to white people...
LuckyLopez
06-03-05, 03:20 PM
The reason that this "story" or this aspect of Bonds' personality has never gotten much mainstream play is because its been shot down more than its been supported. I caught some interview on ESPN radio the other day. I regret to say I can't remember who it was with or even who the host was. But the topic was Kittle's comments and both guys were VERY hardpressed to give much credence to it. Again, take that as what's it worth. I'm saying some guy told some guy that Bonds isn't a racist.
But honestly... in this day and age and with the public opinion people have of Bonds how does ANYONE think that Bonds is walking around for a decade+ outright showing that he's a racist and it hasn't become a major national story yet? THAT should raise enough of a flag. The problem is that Bonds is already despised and he's made a number of questionable racial comments over the years... so 75% of the population is just going to accept that its true and he's a racist because its what they expect. If the public hates someone its pretty easy to convince them of that person being guilty of something new, especially if that something new is something that has some circumstancial support through the years.
But c'mon. Some of these stories? Someone in a bar said that Barry went to a Circuit City to buy a TV but wouldn't allow himself to be helped by a white guy and demanded a sale because he is Barry Bonds? Does that make ANY sense (genuinely, no offense meant, somejerk, you already acknowledged that you don't know if the story is true)? Even presuming that he's a racist prima donna why did he bother to go TV shopping in a Circuit City? Are you telling me that Barry can't get a TV at a reduced cost and without having to deal with white people if he doesn't tell someone to do so?
To make the point, I'm white and I have a pair of autographed "Penny" Nike's from Anfernee Hardaway. I happened to meet him again last season outside the Garden and he was plenty pleasant (or at least as pleasant as you can imagine a grown man to be when another grown man is acting as if he knows him at 11 PM on the city streets after a loss). In another thread someone told one of these "he doesn't sign autographs for white kids" about Dave Winfield and I happened to get his autograph as a kid as well. There will ALWAYS be people telling stories like this because (a) there will always be people looking to make a story (b) there will always be people looking to demonize a celebrity and (c) there will always be situations where a celebrity has a bad day or makes a wrong move and fans who will offer him NO breaks or consideration for it. A lot of the times there are people stepping up to argue the claim but it still tends to stick with people. If IronCaballo's exgirlfriend thinks Hardaway is a racist because of a personal experience she probably won't change her mind because 10 strangers say he's not. Caballo probably won't either (depending on his opinion of his ex, of course). And people who hate Bonds and want to tear him down some more are going to be plenty happy to accept this claim no matter how little evidence there is of it or how many people step up to refute it.
EDIT: Or to turn it around to a guy most of us like (to some degree or another) there is a sentiment held within SOME of the baseball community that Mike Mussina is a racist. It all stems out of absolutely NO evidence. An aside comment made by one reporter and then another reporter performing a hatchet job on both Mussina and the 1st reporter. But the completely circumstancial evidence is enough for some people who want to have this belief or who have no desire to not believe it. Some people want to find the worst in people. And making false claims about a celebrity has no impact on their lives. So for some, this is a strongly held belief, all evidence to the contrary.
The reason that this "story" or this aspect of Bonds' personality has never gotten much mainstream play is because its been shot down more than its been supported. I caught some interview on ESPN radio the other day. I regret to say I can't remember who it was with or even who the host was. But the topic was Kittle's comments and both guys were VERY hardpressed to give much credence to it. Again, take that as what's it worth. I'm saying some guy told some guy that Bonds isn't a racist.
But honestly... in this day and age and with the public opinion people have of Bonds how does ANYONE think that Bonds is walking around for a decade+ outright showing that he's a racist and it hasn't become a major national story yet? THAT should raise enough of a flag. The problem is that Bonds is already despised and he's made a number of questionable racial comments over the years... so 75% of the population is just going to accept that its true and he's a racist because its what they expect. If the public hates someone its pretty easy to convince them of that person being guilty of something new, especially if that something new is something that has some circumstancial support through the years.
But c'mon. Some of these stories? Someone in a bar said that Barry went to a Circuit City to buy a TV but wouldn't allow himself to be helped by a white guy and demanded a sale because he is Barry Bonds? Does that make ANY sense (genuinely, no offense meant, somejerk, you already acknowledged that you don't know if the story is true)? Even presuming that he's a racist prima donna why did he bother to go TV shopping in a Circuit City? Are you telling me that Barry can't get a TV at a reduced cost and without having to deal with white people if he doesn't tell someone to do so?
To make the point, I'm white and I have a pair of autographed "Penny" Nike's from Anfernee Hardaway. I happened to meet him again last season outside the Garden and he was plenty pleasant (or at least as pleasant as you can imagine a grown man to be when another grown man is acting as if he knows him at 11 PM on the city streets after a loss). In another thread someone told one of these "he doesn't sign autographs for white kids" about Dave Winfield and I happened to get his autograph as a kid as well. There will ALWAYS be people telling stories like this because (a) there will always be people looking to make a story (b) there will always be people looking to demonize a celebrity and (c) there will always be situations where a celebrity has a bad day or makes a wrong move and fans who will offer him NO breaks or consideration for it. A lot of the times there are people stepping up to argue the claim but it still tends to stick with people. If IronCaballo's exgirlfriend thinks Hardaway is a racist because of a personal experience she probably won't change her mind because 10 strangers say he's not. Caballo probably won't either (depending on his opinion of his ex, of course). And people who hate Bonds and want to tear him down some more are going to be plenty happy to accept this claim no matter how little evidence there is of it or how many people step up to refute it.
EDIT: Or to turn it around to a guy most of us like (to some degree or another) there is a sentiment held within SOME of the baseball community that Mike Mussina is a racist. It all stems out of absolutely NO evidence. An aside comment made by one reporter and then another reporter performing a hatchet job on both Mussina and the 1st reporter. But the completely circumstancial evidence is enough for some people who want to have this belief or who have no desire to not believe it. Some people want to find the worst in people. And making false claims about a celebrity has no impact on their lives. So for some, this is a strongly held belief, all evidence to the contrary.
So you're saying Kittle made the story up to sell books?
LuckyLopez
06-03-05, 03:40 PM
I have no idea. I've never met Bonds or Kittle. I'm saying that one man's unsubstantiated story does not equal evidence. Now, if Matt Williams or Dusty Baker were telling us that the elements of the story were true, I'd be more on board. If reporters and dealers were coming out to tell us "yep, racist" then I'd be more on board. But for the most part we haven't heard this stuff. Sure, we've all heard small things and those things might one day turn out to be true. But there is absolutely NO widely held consensus on this and that's despite the fact that Kittle claims that Bonds did this blatantly and casually in front of many people more than a decade ago and that Matt Williams and Dusty Baker both told him it was a common thing. Maybe Kittle made it up. Maybe it happened but Kittle is confusing particulars. Maybe he misread a situation. Maybe Bonds was having a bad day and went over the lines of who he is. Maybe Kittle was having a bad day and took a rude statement from Bonds too far in his own mind. Maybe Bonds is a huge racist and its flown under the radar for so long. I have NO idea. I'm just trying to say what I think should be said and point out the potential problems with this story since I've found that with Barry Bonds, very few people ever really give him the benefit of the doubt.
He's most definatelly an ass and he might be a racist. But ass does not equal racist. I just don't like it when such claims are so casually tossed around or casually accepted without much to support it (ie Omar Minaya).
Mattpat11
06-03-05, 03:40 PM
.
But honestly... in this day and age and with the public opinion people have of Bonds how does ANYONE think that Bonds is walking around for a decade+ outright showing that he's a racist and it hasn't become a major national story yet? .Mainly because racism against white people doesn't make national news, I'd assume.
Kulish29
06-03-05, 03:41 PM
True story. Back in highschool my friend worked for the Boys and Girls Club of America. He was a very upstanding guy there (still is today) and spent endless hours working with the youth there and helping the community. He even won teen of the year twice in a row. He told me a story about how Barry Bonds came to visit the center and signed balls for a lot of the children. He wasnt there for long, about 30 minutes, and my friend told me he was pretty much a prick. But the main part of the story is this, the balls he signed for the kids, he didnt even bother to sign his name on them. He just took the balls and wrote 'BB' on them. That's it. Pretty weak if you ask me.
LuckyLopez
06-03-05, 03:57 PM
Mainly because racism against white people doesn't make national news, I'd assume.
Which is a total crock. Is there something of a double standard in America about white racism towards blacks and black racism towards whites? Yes. Yet I seem to recall Dusty Baker getting a good amount of national play for the racial comments he made last season (or was it two seasons ago?) about him rather having black players than white players because they're genetically conditioned better. Did it get as much of a storm around it as it might have if a white guy said it? Did Dusty get turned into Jimmy the Greek? No. The two situations aren't completely comparable but they basically said the same thing and Snyder's got it as a legacy. But ESPN didn't quite ignore it either. Rather they played it nonstop for 2 weeks, Jim Rome called him a racist, everyone stepped in and had their say and then it disappeared. MAYBE that had to do with the fact that Dusty is black. MAYBE it had to do with the fact that he's black saying things about blacks. Maybe the way he said it was more defendibly than Snyder or the world had grown more accepting of such statements in the 15-20 years between the two comments. Maybe it was because Dusty's prominence in the game gives him a certain about in value where these sort of things can be overlooked. Maybe being a baseball manager is just a less high profile situation than being a national network TV sports reporter so it wasn't as big a deal. I don't know. But Dusty still got noticed, criticized, and reported on.
Nope, blacks get in trouble for racist comments as well. And sometimes white get a complete pass. Dan Rather was instrumental in Jimmy Snyder's firing from CBS and yet 4 years ago made a racist slur on the Imus in the Morning show. Bill Cosby experienced quite a bit on controversy in the last year over comments he made about blacks. Cedric the Entertainer was criticized for comments made in Barbershop about Rosa Parks. Again, there's some degree of double standard in America on this issue. To some extent that's fair and to some extent its not. But the idea that high profile blacks can engage in blatant and casual racism and the media will ignore it? That's silly and I fail to see any evidence of it.
EDIT: It was Rosa Parks, not MLK.
RhodeyYankee2638
06-03-05, 04:06 PM
Am I the only one who can imagine Bonds chasatizing a 7 year old white boy asking for an autograph, giving the kid a lecture on the media and racial inequality?
StaceyRosie
06-03-05, 04:39 PM
Am I the only one who can imagine Bonds chasatizing a 7 year old white boy asking for an autograph, giving the kid a lecture on the media and racial inequality?
nope....
nyymt62
06-03-05, 04:48 PM
It is a shame that Barry Bonds is the most talented hitter in baseball. Behind the swing, he is a terrible person. He is selfish, ignorant, racist and above all a complete fool. I believe that this is true, just from hearing Barrys interviews. And it disgusts me that ESPN has Pedro Gomez following the guy around 24/7. I think we should all forget about the guy and erase the cheat from baseball history. After all, that is what he has been shown to be.
chanman7483
06-03-05, 05:19 PM
i have no problems with barry bonds and i hope he breaks the record.
the reason this is the case is because he is a fine baseball player and that's all i see him as. I don't care about him off the field and I don't look twice when I see celebrities or athletes in the street. Ok, maybe I do a double take, but it's not that big of a deal to me. I don't bother them, I talk don't talk to them. My business with them is watching them perform on the field.
I'll admit, I have biases... we all do. Barry just happens to be in the public eye, so everyone knows about it. He also realizes that what you think and what you say means sh*t to him -- he is making millions and breaking records regardless of what you think. Baseball is his job and that's all he cares about.
go barry.. i wish you the best on the field and off
*ducks lightning bolt*
Pepper03
06-03-05, 05:26 PM
I would hope that the better argument is just that we're in a society that requires people to be open an accepting of all races and that he's being a horrible role model for people of all races. Despite our differences, we all live here together. Imagine the story if it were any other groups involved.
Also, would Barry sign something for Tiger?
Barry Bonds is a slimeball, but since Tiger was mentioned I need to report to you what happened here (in Rhode Island) several years ago.
Brad Faxon is a well regarded player on the tour, and he sponsors a very big charity golf tournament here along with Billy Andrade every summer, the CVS Classic. This story was reported in the Providence Journal at the time it happened, which was approximately 7 years ago.
One of the ways they raise money is auctioning off items signed by famous people. They never had a person refuse, until Mr. Woods. It seems he refused to sign anything, and the reason he gave was that his agent advised him not to sign anything because it might lower the value of his autograph. This was when he was only on the tour a few years, so I hope that still isn't his policy, but I'll tell you what, I'd never root for him.
Back to Barry, he sounds like one miserable SOB. Good luck to him on his recovery. :P
NYYBombshell
06-03-05, 05:36 PM
If this is true, he's a sad, pathetic excuse for a human being and I hope his bloated ego and bum knee never step foot on a baseball diamond again.
yankeebot
06-03-05, 05:37 PM
I heard on Michael Kay today that All-Star Game autographed BP jerseys are auctioned off every year with the proceeds going to a fund to help ex-players that have fallen on hard times handle medical expenses. Bonds is the only player that always refuses to sign. He is one sad excuse of a man.
LuckyLopez
06-03-05, 06:09 PM
At the risk of just coming off as a Bonds apologist at this point, that could very well have to do with the fact that he licenses his own name outside the union. I happen to think that he's carrying a huge ego with that process and I don't much like him for it, but its different than "he doesn't want to sign things for charity."
And in all honesty some of his past comments might suggest that he's just a jerk who doesn't want to help ex-players out.
yankeesAZ
06-03-05, 06:37 PM
I know a white guy that got his autograph. He kept his signed, charge card receipt when he waited on him. One copy for Bonds one for the restaurant. He just had to photocopy the merchant receipt for the restaurant to keep a record. Its one way of obtaining autographs.
VFBundy
06-03-05, 08:04 PM
I know a white guy that got his autograph. He kept his signed, charge card receipt when he waited on him. One copy for Bonds one for the restaurant. He just had to photocopy the merchant receipt for the restaurant to keep a record. Its one way of obtaining autographs.Hopefully, this guy took Bonds's credit card number and used it for phone sex calls to Bangkok.
the_coach
06-03-05, 08:37 PM
Unfortunately if this were white vs. black instead of black vs. white, it would be national headlines (deservedly so I might add).
The Double Standard lives. :upset: :barf: :dunno:
yankeesrule2000
06-03-05, 09:29 PM
He Really is an asshole, i never liked him and never will.
yankeesAZ
06-03-05, 09:42 PM
Hopefully, this guy took Bonds's credit card number and used it for phone sex calls to Bangkok.
He should have since he was an a-hole to wait on. He did tip around 18%.
ChinMusic
06-06-05, 12:55 PM
Why doesn't every pitcher throw right at his head? It's not like you can miss the thing.
No. If he comes back, he should be unintentionally walked evey single at bat. Give him nothing to hit ever. Between his cheating and racism, he is not worthy to pass Ruth or Aaron. The record is already owned by a black man, who showed real class under extremely difficult circumstances, death threats, racism, etc. The thought of Bonds holding the most important and most revered record in baseball sickens me.
ChinMusic
06-06-05, 12:59 PM
Based on everything I know about the guy, I'll believe it. He really is a terrible human being, nevermind a horrible role-model. I hope to God that he never plays again and leads a very lonely life since he doesn't care about anyone but himself.
Im sure he could strike up a friendship with OJ Simpson. He's probably lonely too.
ChinMusic
06-06-05, 01:00 PM
He would, since Tiger was drafted by black people in this year's racial draft. ;)
The real question is would he sign for Colin Powell.
Or Derek Jeter for that matter.
He should have since he was an a-hole to wait on. He did tip around 18%.
Jeeze, I'm poor and I tip 20% on average
ChinMusic
06-06-05, 01:05 PM
The reason that this "story" or this aspect of Bonds' personality has never gotten much mainstream play is because its been shot down more than its been supported. I caught some interview on ESPN radio the other day. I regret to say I can't remember who it was with or even who the host was. But the topic was Kittle's comments and both guys were VERY hardpressed to give much credence to it. Again, take that as what's it worth. I'm saying some guy told some guy that Bonds isn't a racist.
Bonds himself has been quoted as saying he doesn't give his money to whites people. This quote was from this past winter. Why is it such a stretcth to believe he wont sign autographs for whites. His autographs after all are worth money. And by the way, why the hell hasnt Bud "Worthless Wonder" Selig or Bob Watson weighed in on this? Seems to me, they had plenty to say after John Rocker's SI interview.
The story is so obviously a phony. I mean, who would want his autograph? :)
hardrain
06-06-05, 01:17 PM
Or Derek Jeter for that matter.
Knowing Bonds, he would only sign half his name for Derek. :eek:
ChinMusic
06-06-05, 01:18 PM
Am I the only one who can imagine Bonds chasatizing a 7 year old white boy asking for an autograph, giving the kid a lecture on the media and racial inequality?
Wasnt there also a case where he did chastise a small white boy? Told him something to the effect that his father should teach him manners, because the kid called out to him fr4om the stands when he was throwing or stretching before the game?
Kate774
06-06-05, 01:26 PM
Putting side that he's cheating in baseball, Bonds is just a terrible, terrible human being. That's why I have no problem gloating about his injury.
Amen. What an absolutely horrible man.
Kate774
06-06-05, 01:48 PM
i have no problems with barry bonds and i hope he breaks the record.
the reason this is the case is because he is a fine baseball player and that's all i see him as. I don't care about him off the field and I don't look twice when I see celebrities or athletes in the street. Ok, maybe I do a double take, but it's not that big of a deal to me. I don't bother them, I talk don't talk to them. My business with them is watching them perform on the field.
I'll admit, I have biases... we all do. Barry just happens to be in the public eye, so everyone knows about it. He also realizes that what you think and what you say means sh*t to him -- he is making millions and breaking records regardless of what you think. Baseball is his job and that's all he cares about.
go barry.. i wish you the best on the field and off
*ducks lightning bolt*
You just contradicted yourself. In one sentence you say that you don't care about Bonds off the field, in the next you say you wish him the best off the field.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy the whole "I don't care what someone is like off the field" argument. Call me crazy, but I don't like people who are a**holes, no matter what they do, and everything I've seen and heard from Bonds tells me the guy is a first class a**hole. I HATED Carl Everett when he played for the Sox. I HATED Ty Law when he was acting like a prick last year and I didn't buy it when he changed his tune before the season. I can't wish people like Barry Bonds well, because like you said, he doesn't give a crap about me, and I can't enjoy seeing him play because he is a cheater. End of story.
LuckyLopez
06-06-05, 02:26 PM
Bonds himself has been quoted as saying he doesn't give his money to whites people. This quote was from this past winter. Why is it such a stretcth to believe he wont sign autographs for whites. His autographs after all are worth money. And by the way, why the hell hasnt Bud "Worthless Wonder" Selig or Bob Watson weighed in on this? Seems to me, they had plenty to say after John Rocker's SI interview.
How in the world does Rocker being QUOTED in SPORTS ILLUSTRATED compare to Ron Kittle telling an isolated story about Bonds with claims about what other people said? One is an actual journalistic piece with a QUOTE from a credible magazine and the other is an anecdote from a marginal player selling a book and with no real credibility built up. Again, I'm not calling him a liar but WHY are we all taking Ron Kittle at his 100% word? On a subject that makes almost all of us ask "why hasn't the media/Bud/whatever made note of this before?" On something that hasn't been followed up on at all. On a horrible thing attributed to a HATED guy who has spent his career trying to anger everyone in the media (even though SOME continue to love him).
This story was NOT from this last winter. It was from 1993. Did you mean that the quote about him giving white people money was from last winter? I'd love if you could provide that one for me. I don't recall every coming across it and when I just tried to google for it all I got were various stories on the Kittle story (and some particularly disturbing articles/web sites). I could very easily have missed this but it strikes me as odd that if this quote exists and recently that none of these story writers would use it in their Kittle stories. That's just basic journalism. But if you have it, by all means, it could very well make me do a 180 on this subject. I know he's made LOTS of racial comments and I know there was an article last winter than had him calling Boston racist and insisting that SanFran would never honor him with a statue because he is black (an absurd claim considering the statue outside the stadium).
You ask me how hard it is to believe that he won't sign for whites. Its not. Actually, its very easy to accept that as fact. That's why I'm actually looking for ANY backup to Kittle's claims before I buy into them. Because its VERY easy to believe bad things about bad people. And we allready know Bonds to be an "angry black man" with a history of questionable racial beliefs taking the next step to racist isn't that hard. In fact, any number of fans probably already have him labelled as racist based on past comments. I've seen fans call Jermaine O'Neal racist because of his one comment earlier this basketball season and we've already seen this media "double standard" theory made twice asto how Bonds' supposed racism has never been reported. It easy for me to believe this. Its also easy for Kittle to make up a story that seems close to the truth and which is sure to get him HUGE press and help the book of a largely annonymous major leaguer.
ShaneTravis
06-06-05, 03:25 PM
I have no idea. I've never met Bonds or Kittle. I'm saying that one man's unsubstantiated story does not equal evidence. Now, if Matt Williams or Dusty Baker were telling us that the elements of the story were true, I'd be more on board. If reporters and dealers were coming out to tell us "yep, racist" then I'd be more on board. But for the most part we haven't heard this stuff. Sure, we've all heard small things and those things might one day turn out to be true. But there is absolutely NO widely held consensus on this and that's despite the fact that Kittle claims that Bonds did this blatantly and casually in front of many people more than a decade ago and that Matt Williams and Dusty Baker both told him it was a common thing. Maybe Kittle made it up. Maybe it happened but Kittle is confusing particulars. Maybe he misread a situation. Maybe Bonds was having a bad day and went over the lines of who he is. Maybe Kittle was having a bad day and took a rude statement from Bonds too far in his own mind. Maybe Bonds is a huge racist and its flown under the radar for so long. I have NO idea. I'm just trying to say what I think should be said and point out the potential problems with this story since I've found that with Barry Bonds, very few people ever really give him the benefit of the doubt.
He's most definatelly an ass and he might be a racist. But ass does not equal racist. I just don't like it when such claims are so casually tossed around or casually accepted without much to support it (ie Omar Minaya).
This took me all of 5 seconds to find on google......http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/ken-rosenthal/20040524.html
Bonds complained recently that he never would be allowed to skip trips like Clemens. "I ain't white," Bonds told reporters. "They'll never let a black man get away with that."
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNjgmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY1MjkwNjMmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk5
Bonds responded by saying, "I ain't white. What world are you living in? I live in the world of realty. Ain't going to let a black man do that."
and here is Barry giving his thoughts on racism in boston--of course he never has been.....
"Boston is too racist for me,'' he said. "I couldn't play there.''
It is a judgment, he acknowledges, not derived of firsthand experience -- he missed the 1999 All-Star Game, played in Boston, because of an injury -- but on word-of-mouth.
"Only what guys have said," he said, "but that's been going on ever since my dad [Bobby] was playing baseball. I can't play like that. That's not for me, brother."
When it was suggested the racial climate has changed in Boston, Bonds demurred.
"It ain't changing," he said. "It ain't changing nowhere."
They built a tunnel to honor Ted Williams in Boston. What did he imagine would be built for him?
"Nothing, man," he said. "I'm black. They don't build stuff for blacks."
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/06/18/18bonds/
If Barry spouts this type of rhetoric is it so hard to imagine him being racist?
I respect your opinion, even though it's different from mine. I have heard rumblings about Bonds for years.
Shefnation
06-06-05, 05:11 PM
Then he was trying to get the TV for half price because he IS Barry Bonds.
If you made Bonds' salary, you'd be begging the salesmen for a discount too! Sheesh!
StaceyRosie
06-06-05, 05:51 PM
This took me all of 5 seconds to find on google......http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/ken-rosenthal/20040524.html
Bonds complained recently that he never would be allowed to skip trips like Clemens. "I ain't white," Bonds told reporters. "They'll never let a black man get away with that."
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNjgmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY1MjkwNjMmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk5
Bonds responded by saying, "I ain't white. What world are you living in? I live in the world of realty. Ain't going to let a black man do that."
and here is Barry giving his thoughts on racism in boston--of course he never has been.....
"Boston is too racist for me,'' he said. "I couldn't play there.''
It is a judgment, he acknowledges, not derived of firsthand experience -- he missed the 1999 All-Star Game, played in Boston, because of an injury -- but on word-of-mouth.
"Only what guys have said," he said, "but that's been going on ever since my dad [Bobby] was playing baseball. I can't play like that. That's not for me, brother."
When it was suggested the racial climate has changed in Boston, Bonds demurred.
"It ain't changing," he said. "It ain't changing nowhere."
They built a tunnel to honor Ted Williams in Boston. What did he imagine would be built for him?
"Nothing, man," he said. "I'm black. They don't build stuff for blacks."
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/06/18/18bonds/
If Barry spouts this type of rhetoric is it so hard to imagine him being racist?
I respect your opinion, even though it's different from mine. I have heard rumblings about Bonds for years.
I remember that. What a .... oh never mind. We all know what he is. ;)
ChinMusic
06-07-05, 01:21 AM
How in the world does Rocker being QUOTED in SPORTS ILLUSTRATED compare to Ron Kittle telling an isolated story about Bonds with claims about what other people said? One is an actual journalistic piece with a QUOTE from a credible magazine and the other is an anecdote from a marginal player selling a book and with no real credibility built up. Again, I'm not calling him a liar but WHY are we all taking Ron Kittle at his 100% word? On a subject that makes almost all of us ask "why hasn't the media/Bud/whatever made note of this before?" On something that hasn't been followed up on at all. On a horrible thing attributed to a HATED guy who has spent his career trying to anger everyone in the media (even though SOME continue to love him).
This story was NOT from this last winter. It was from 1993. Did you mean that the quote about him giving white people money was from last winter? I'd love if you could provide that one for me. I don't recall every coming across it and when I just tried to google for it all I got were various stories on the Kittle story (and some particularly disturbing articles/web sites). I could very easily have missed this but it strikes me as odd that if this quote exists and recently that none of these story writers would use it in their Kittle stories. That's just basic journalism. But if you have it, by all means, it could very well make me do a 180 on this subject. I know he's made LOTS of racial comments and I know there was an article last winter than had him calling Boston racist and insisting that SanFran would never honor him with a statue because he is black (an absurd claim considering the statue outside the stadium).
You ask me how hard it is to believe that he won't sign for whites. Its not. Actually, its very easy to accept that as fact. That's why I'm actually looking for ANY backup to Kittle's claims before I buy into them. Because its VERY easy to believe bad things about bad people. And we allready know Bonds to be an "angry black man" with a history of questionable racial beliefs taking the next step to racist isn't that hard. In fact, any number of fans probably already have him labelled as racist based on past comments. I've seen fans call Jermaine O'Neal racist because of his one comment earlier this basketball season and we've already seen this media "double standard" theory made twice asto how Bonds' supposed racism has never been reported. It easy for me to believe this. Its also easy for Kittle to make up a story that seems close to the truth and which is sure to get him HUGE press and help the book of a largely annonymous major leaguer.
There most certainly was that quote from him this winter. It was in reference to his personal trainer/steroid supplier. It was revealed that this guy was living in his car at times, and someone asked Bonds why he didnt help his friend out. His response was that he doesnt give money to whites.
Dooley Womack
06-07-05, 01:37 AM
This took me all of 5 seconds to find on google......http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/ken-rosenthal/20040524.html
Bonds complained recently that he never would be allowed to skip trips like Clemens. "I ain't white," Bonds told reporters. "They'll never let a black man get away with that."
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNjgmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY1MjkwNjMmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk5
Bonds responded by saying, "I ain't white. What world are you living in? I live in the world of realty. Ain't going to let a black man do that."
and here is Barry giving his thoughts on racism in boston--of course he never has been.....
"Boston is too racist for me,'' he said. "I couldn't play there.''
It is a judgment, he acknowledges, not derived of firsthand experience -- he missed the 1999 All-Star Game, played in Boston, because of an injury -- but on word-of-mouth.
"Only what guys have said," he said, "but that's been going on ever since my dad [Bobby] was playing baseball. I can't play like that. That's not for me, brother."
When it was suggested the racial climate has changed in Boston, Bonds demurred.
"It ain't changing," he said. "It ain't changing nowhere."
They built a tunnel to honor Ted Williams in Boston. What did he imagine would be built for him?
"Nothing, man," he said. "I'm black. They don't build stuff for blacks."
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/06/18/18bonds/
If Barry spouts this type of rhetoric is it so hard to imagine him being racist?
I respect your opinion, even though it's different from mine. I have heard rumblings about Bonds for years.
Bonds is also quoted as saying he wants to break Ruth's record badly because he's white, yet doesn't care whether or not he breaks Aaron's.
But, Bonds sure loves white women. Go figure. :uhh:
Espinosa's Glasses
06-07-05, 08:45 AM
Thats funny... he signed for me
Would he sign an autograph for, say, Bill White?
chanman7483
06-07-05, 09:01 AM
Kate774You just contradicted yourself. In one sentence you say that you don't care about Bonds off the field, in the next you say you wish him the best off the field.
Negative - - I am indifferent to what Bonds does off the field..but I wish him the best. That's pretty much what I'm saying. How is that contradicting myself? The same goes for me and you -- Naturally, I wish you the best in your endeavors in life, but honestly, since I don't know you, I could care less. Same thing...
RhodyYanksFan
06-07-05, 09:03 AM
This took me all of 5 seconds to find on google......http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/ken-rosenthal/20040524.html
Bonds complained recently that he never would be allowed to skip trips like Clemens. "I ain't white," Bonds told reporters. "They'll never let a black man get away with that."
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNjgmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY1MjkwNjMmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk5
Bonds responded by saying, "I ain't white. What world are you living in? I live in the world of realty. Ain't going to let a black man do that."
and here is Barry giving his thoughts on racism in boston--of course he never has been.....
"Boston is too racist for me,'' he said. "I couldn't play there.''
It is a judgment, he acknowledges, not derived of firsthand experience -- he missed the 1999 All-Star Game, played in Boston, because of an injury -- but on word-of-mouth.
"Only what guys have said," he said, "but that's been going on ever since my dad [Bobby] was playing baseball. I can't play like that. That's not for me, brother."
When it was suggested the racial climate has changed in Boston, Bonds demurred.
"It ain't changing," he said. "It ain't changing nowhere."
They built a tunnel to honor Ted Williams in Boston. What did he imagine would be built for him?
"Nothing, man," he said. "I'm black. They don't build stuff for blacks."
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/06/18/18bonds/
If Barry spouts this type of rhetoric is it so hard to imagine him being racist?
I respect your opinion, even though it's different from mine. I have heard rumblings about Bonds for years.
In Barry's defense, Boston is probably the most racist/segregated big city in the country. But that doesn't excuse him for being an asshat.
YankeeFan1
06-07-05, 09:34 AM
The article on which this thread is based is ridiculous as are some of the comments that followed. Bonds' does sign autographs for Giant fans regardless of their ethnicity, white or black. I've seen him do so before Giants games on ESPN. Bonds' doesn't sign a lot of autographs though because it diminishes the value of his autograph. Also like RhodyYanksFan said, Bonds is right about Boston. It is one of the most racist/segregation northern cities in the country.
LuckyLopez, I totally agree with your posts. These stories are simply rumors. Bonds acts like an ass which cause people not to like him so they take these claims at face value. I think the comment about Bonds not giving money to white people is a twisted version of his Grand Jury comments.
Bonds told the grand jurors that he had given Anderson a $20,000 bonus and bought him a ring after the 73-home run season. He also bought the trainer a ring to commemorate the Giants' 2002 World Series appearance. When a juror asked why the wealthy ballplayer hadn't bought "a mansion" for his trainer to live in, Bonds answered:
"One, I'm black, and I'm keeping my money. And there's not too many rich black people in this world. There's more wealthy Asian people and Caucasian and white. And I ain't giving my money up."
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL
chanman7483
06-07-05, 10:34 AM
When a juror asked why the wealthy ballplayer hadn't bought "a mansion" for his trainer to live in
wtf kind of question is that?
ShaneTravis
06-07-05, 10:39 AM
The article on which this thread is based is ridiculous as are some of the comments that followed. Bonds' does sign autographs for Giant fans regardless of their ethnicity, white or black. I've seen him do so before Giants games on ESPN. Bonds' doesn't sign a lot of autographs though because it diminishes the value of his autograph. Also like RhodyYanksFan said, Bonds is right about Boston. It is one of the most racist/segregation northern cities in the country.
LuckyLopez, I totally agree with your posts. These stories are simply rumors. Bonds acts like an ass which cause people not to like him so they take these claims at face value. I think the comment about Bonds not giving money to white people is a twisted version of his Grand Jury comments.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL
Twisted? Rumors? The above link is a transcript from a court of law, a law of record. When someone justifies his/her statements using race one would believe they have an issue with his/her race or of others nationality.
Bonds quantifying his statement by "because I'm Black, or b/c they are Asian/White..." tells us he uses race as a determinging factor in his actions.
We don't know if the autograph signing is true or false, but the above comment by Bonds is truth, he said it.
Your opinion is "These stories are simply rumors", well, I hope your not stating this as fact b/c it's your opinion. Which your entitled to.
Would you find it disturbing if you had a friend or co-worker who continually brought race into their conversations? "Well, I do this because I'm _______ or I don't do this because their ________."
Imagine if you had a friend or co-worker who would speak so brazenly this way in a court of law where they knew it would be on written record?
I applaud people who seek out injustice,heresy and intolerence but I think we can all find a more worthy example than Barry Bonds to make our stand, and plant our flag.
YankeeFan1
06-07-05, 10:44 AM
Twisted? Rumors? The above link is a transcript from a court of law, a law of record. When someone justifies his/her statements using race one would believe they have an issue with his/her race or of others nationality.
Bonds quantifying his statement by "because I'm Black, or b/c they are Asian/White..." tells us he uses race as a determinging factor in his actions.
We don't know if the autograph signing is true or false, but the above comment by Bonds is truth, he said it.
Your opinion is "These stories are simply rumors", well, I hope your not stating this as fact b/c it's your opinion. Which your entitled to.
Would you find it disturbing if you had a friend or co-worker who continually brought race into their conversations? "Well, I do this because I'm _______ or I don't do this because their ________."
Imagine if you had a friend or co-worker who would speak so brazenly this way in a court of law where they knew it would be on written record?
I applaud people who seek out injustice,heresy and intolerence but I think we can all find a more worthy example than Barry Bonds to make our stand, and plant our flag. Uh? Did you actually read this thread before responding to my post? Obviously not. Don't project your Barry Bonds issues onto me. Keep them to yourself.
DontHateOnNumber2
06-07-05, 10:55 AM
I feel so angry when I hear about this racism crap especially in one of my favorite sports, this guy knows that people looked up to him across the country as a prestigious slugger and that image is going to morph into a racist, self-serving cheater. What a prick.
ShaneTravis
06-07-05, 11:05 AM
Uh? Did you actually read this thread before responding to my post? Obviously not. Don't project your Barry Bonds issues onto me. Keep them to yourself.
Obviously not? I have chimed in on this thread previously and commented on the thread. I then read your post and commented on that, or more specifically your link.
"One, I'm black, and I'm keeping my money. And there's not too many rich black people in this world. There's more wealthy Asian people and Caucasian and white. And I ain't giving my money up."
That is why I quoted you--b/c I read your link.
I have been keeping up with this thread, I don't have bias toward Barry, I have never met him. I have contributed my take on this thread and this topic. Not Barry. If you read my comments-- I link and quote in regards to this topic. I never, ever say one disparging thing toward Barry. "I hate him", "he stinks", "he's racist."
The point of thread and posting is to give one's opinion and thoughts, me "keeping them to myself" defeats this purpose.
Again, I respect your opinion I ask you respect mine.
Kate774
06-07-05, 11:35 AM
Whether or not Boston is racist doesn't mean Bonds was justified in making comments like that. There are plenty of black athletes here who love it. Ask Ortiz. Ask Mo Vaughn. He's never been to this city, he's only heard things second hand.
Whether or not Boston is racist doesn't mean Bonds should have made comments like that. There are plenty of black athletes here who love it. Ask Ortiz. Ask Mo Vaughn.
Gary Payton!
Kate774
06-07-05, 11:37 AM
I don't follow basketball so I have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't follow basketball so I have no idea what you're talking about.
Nothing like an honest answer. Payton became a Bostonian folk hero of sorts, very popular among the fans and his teammates.
Kate774
06-07-05, 11:42 AM
Oh, ok.
The Yankee Kahuna
06-07-05, 12:06 PM
Would he sign for Jeter or Tiger Woods. How bout for Eminem! :confused:
ShaneTravis
06-07-05, 01:40 PM
Gary Payton!
What did Gary Payton do? Say?
Dooley Womack
06-07-05, 02:10 PM
Whether or not Boston is racist doesn't mean Bonds was justified in making comments like that. There are plenty of black athletes here who love it. Ask Ortiz. Ask Mo Vaughn. He's never been to this city, he's only heard things second hand.
If Boston were in fact like that (I'm not saying it is) I think that ANYONE, black or white, would have a right to say it. That doesn't mean that Bonds isn't a racist fool himself.... a fool for sure.
BeantownYankee
06-07-05, 05:05 PM
What would he do if Michael Jackson asked him for an autograph? :dunno: :)
"I don't sign for Freaks"
If Boston were in fact like that (I'm not saying it is) I think that ANYONE, black or white, would have a right to say it. That doesn't mean that Bonds isn't a racist fool himself.... a fool for sure.
My biggest problem with his statement was that he flat out said he had never been to Boston and that he had heard it from "some people".
Also for the poster who believes that Boston is the most segregated, racist place in the US I would ask...have you been to the South?
cubswin
06-07-05, 05:37 PM
... Boston is probably the most racist/segregated big city in the country. ....
...Bonds is right about Boston. It is one of the most racist/segregation northern cities in the country....[/url]
Any stats to back up these claims?
LuckyLopez
06-07-05, 05:54 PM
If Barry spouts this type of rhetoric is it so hard to imagine him being racist?
I respect your opinion, even though it's different from mine. I have heard rumblings about Bonds for years.
I thought I had already acknowledged the Boston quotes but I can't seem to find it in any of my posts. He also said that SanFran would never put a statue up for a black man despite the fact that they have one for Mays outside SBC. There's the Ruth thing. Bonds has a LONG list of stupid racial comments clearly painting him as the angry and offended black man. He's an ass and he's been doing this for awhile. As I've already said, it would be VERY easy for me to believe him a racist. It would be an easy jump to go from those comments to this story. But that's why I'm being more particular about not buying into this one until I get some collaboration. Because its REALLY easy to convince people of things they're allready leaning towards. Especially if the guy being labeled is someone we all hate anyway. Christopher Hutchins has made it his career to convince the world that Mother Theresa was an evil, racist witch. Whether he's right or not he's got a REALLY hard path and hasn't made much headway because when most people are presented with the idea they reject it. Ron Kittle tries to convince us that Barry Bonds is a racist and he has a REALLY easy time because people are COMPLETELY welcoming the idea. Noone is reacting with "Barry would never do something like that!" or standing up and yelling "NOT BARRY!" He's already a villain. In the past 6 months he's been outed as a steroid user and an adulterer. Now he's a racist who only signs for black people. If tomorrow articles come out saying he's guilty of tax evasion, saying he tested positive for marijuana, or exposing another mistress (making him a serial adulterous) we'd probably accept those ideas. What reason do we have to think them lies? We already know he's a bad guy who's committed crimes, taken drugs, and cheated on his wife. We have no reason to question.
I happen to take the idea that you ALWAYS question these things. ESPECIALLY when its such a bold claim as "racist." Because that's the sort of thing that follows you forever. Omar Minaya was hinted at being racist for about 3 weeks and even though the facts that really support that and no credible reporter ever thought it was enough to make the claim there are STILL idiots who run around calling the guy a racist. They will probably never be convinced otherwise. If Omar trades for Roger Clemens or Barry Zito it will be him trying to deflect the people who have caught onto his racism. Or its just because the opportunity rose above his own petty racism. Or the owners made him. For some fans the first time he was called a racist they bought it even without reading past the headline. I'm AMAZED at how many people in this thread just seemed to have read this article and said "Damn racist, Barry." Almost noone questioning who Ron Kittle is and how much credebility he is. Almost noone wondering why this story hasn't been told before or similar stories (since apparently it was regular behavior). Almost noone questioning whether Kittle might just be getting something out of this. But a LOT of specious logic supporting this idea. "He's made race baiting comments in the past" and "the media has a double standard." I'm not knocking people having these reactions. I'm fully admitting it was my instinctive response as well. But I don't see ANY evidence once I get past reaction and start actually exploring the claim. And I see a few reasons not to believe it (although nothing in the way of substantive evidence).
There most certainly was that quote from him this winter. It was in reference to his personal trainer/steroid supplier. It was revealed that this guy was living in his car at times, and someone asked Bonds why he didnt help his friend out. His response was that he doesnt give money to whites.
My apologies. I wasn't saying that I don't believe it to exist. I was saying that I have personally never encountered it and was unable to find it. I still can't but I don't have much to google. If you could, I would greatly appreciate seeing it since it might throw a whole new spin on this for me. "I don't give money to whites" with quotation marks from a reputable news source would probably turn me to the "racist" side. It would be a MAJOR stroke. That's why I can't imagine why it wouldn't have found its way into these Kittle articles. I admit that makes me very skeptical as to whether it exists. Not finding it increases that. With no offense intended I can't just take you at your word that the quote exists and exists in the same form as you remember. But I could EASILY have just missed the very real quote which is why I would LOVE for someone to give me a link so that I can apologize to you and concede defeat. But until I know that quote exists I'm left in the same exact place I've been. NO evidence or substantiation.
My apologies. I wasn't saying that I don't believe it to exist. I was saying that I have personally never encountered it and was unable to find it. I still can't but I don't have much to google. If you could, I would greatly appreciate seeing it since it might throw a whole new spin on this for me. "I don't give money to whites" with quotation marks from a reputable news source would probably turn me to the "racist" side. It would be a MAJOR stroke. That's why I can't imagine why it wouldn't have found its way into these Kittle articles. I admit that makes me very skeptical as to whether it exists. Not finding it increases that. With no offense intended I can't just take you at your word that the quote exists and exists in the same form as you remember. But I could EASILY have just missed the very real quote which is why I would LOVE for someone to give me a link so that I can apologize to you and concede defeat. But until I know that quote exists I'm left in the same exact place I've been. NO evidence or substantiation.
http://www.whca.net/2005poewin4.htm
Bonds comments are at the end of the article...for most of it h is defending the trainer, the "I don't give money to whites" comment seems to be a joke. A really bad joke.
LuckyLopez
06-07-05, 06:45 PM
Whoops. Thanks dartek. And I'm sorry ChinMusic because I now see that YankeeFan1 already posted this quote and a link. I just somehow missed it. My apologies because that was just my gaping mistake.
That being said, I'm going to 100% agree with YankeeFan1 and dartek. The context of that quote seems to make it pretty clear that it was either a bad joke or just some silly rationalization. Either way it seems like we're ignoring the context or really twisting things if we interpret that as him saying he doesn't give money to whites. He said he doesn't give his money away. He also made his typical racial comments. But he also admitted to give the white guy tons of money.
MiamiKat
06-07-05, 06:53 PM
My biggest problem with his statement was that he flat out said he had never been to Boston and that he had heard it from "some people".
Also for the poster who believes that Boston is the most segregated, racist place in the US I would ask...have you been to the South?Yes. I have been to the South. And I'm not talking South Florida, I mean months spent in rural Georgia (the area where they filmed Deliverance http://www.nyyfans.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif ) as well as rural North and South Carolina.
And for all the scary stuff I saw in that part of the country, when I lived & worked for a couple of years in Boston -- we're talking 20 years ago -- Boston was as bad, if not worse, in terms of racism and segregation. Boston at that time was effectively segregated not only along racial lines, but ethnic ones as well. Also, because of my appearance most people think I'm Irish (I'm not), and you can't imagine some of the ignorant ideas and comments people felt comfortable "sharing" with me because they thought I was one of them.
Is that anecdotal? Absolutely. I don't have any vetted market research or studies to back up any of this.
So...Bonds may be an a**hole, but his comments on Boston way back when are, in my experience, accurate. Where Bonds is flat out wrong is where he says the city "ain't changing". Because, from what I've seen in my visits since and from what I'm told by friends and relatives who live there, Boston has changed considerably...for the better.
YankeeFan1
06-07-05, 06:57 PM
Any stats to back up these claims? You Bostonians can bitch and moan about people calling your city racist all you want, but that doesn't change the residential segregation, overwhelming racism, and oh the classism that pervades that city and really New England as a whole. Pretending that Boston isn't provincial doesn't change the fact that it is, it would be wiser to spend time trying to change these attitudes than live in denial. Though I'll admit that MiamiKat may be right about the city having made progress in recent years.
cubswin
06-07-05, 08:05 PM
You Bostonians can bitch and moan about people calling your city racist all you want, but that doesn't change the residential segregation, overwhelming racism, and oh the classism that pervades that city and really New England as a whole. Pretending that Boston isn't provincial doesn't change the fact that it is, it would be wiser to spend time trying to change these attitudes than live in denial. Though I'll admit that MiamiKat may be right about the city having made progress in recent years.
Yes, I'll spend my time, living in LA, trying to change attitudes in Boston, simply b/c you call it "fact." Brilliant.
It's telling that you have nothing to support what you call fact. Nothing. Zero. Granted, racism doesn't lend itself as easily to hard proof, but segregation certainly would. Yet all you do is spout garbage that's probably based on, what, an article you once read? Or maybe Barry's quotes? Well done. I always enjoy it when people back down from providing anything to support their arguments -- and enjoy it even moreso when they then claim that those questioning them are in denial. Funny, if it were so clear, I'd expect you'd have a mountain of support for your position. I wonder why you don't...
The reason I asked the question in the first place is that, probably unlike you, I've lived in Boston -- and I've also lived in other major cities: NY, Chicago and LA. Yet, I've seen far worse things in the other cities than I ever saw in Boston. But perhaps you believe that there's no segregation in NY -- yeah, Bed-Stuy and the Upper East Side are virtually indistinguishable. And there's certainly a melting pot in Chicago -- no differences b/t the south side and Lincoln Park and the lakeshore suburbs. And beautiful LA, where, if you're a black man in many towns north of Sunset, you better be a recognizable athlete or movie star. But, yah, you're probably right re. Boston versus the rest. Hey, you said so, right? Yeah, that should be enough for anybody to rely on...
There unquestionably were problems in the city, probably worse than in many cities. And, like all cities, problems remain today. I'd just like to see some evidence behind your claims. Won't be forthcoming, though, will it?
and here is Barry giving his thoughts on racism in boston--of course he never has been.....
"Boston is too racist for me,'' he said. "I couldn't play there.''
It is a judgment, he acknowledges, not derived of firsthand experience -- he missed the 1999 All-Star Game, played in Boston, because of an injury -- but on word-of-mouth.
"Only what guys have said," he said, "but that's been going on ever since my dad [Bobby] was playing baseball. I can't play like that. That's not for me, brother."
When it was suggested the racial climate has changed in Boston, Bonds demurred.
"It ain't changing," he said. "It ain't changing nowhere."
They built a tunnel to honor Ted Williams in Boston. What did he imagine would be built for him?
"Nothing, man," he said. "I'm black. They don't build stuff for blacks."
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2004/06/18/18bonds/
If Barry spouts this type of rhetoric is it so hard to imagine him being racist?
I respect your opinion, even though it's different from mine. I have heard rumblings about Bonds for years.
I have to admit I laughed out loud when I saw those comments from Bonds, wondering what David Ortiz or Troy Brown would have to say in response. :D
nicky_d
06-08-05, 11:49 AM
He would, since Tiger was drafted by black people in this year's racial draft. ;)
The real question is would he sign for Colin Powell.
No....You see, there's a special corrolary to the rule: Black Republicans fall under the "white" category. :uhh: :uhh: :uhh:
bleachersown
06-08-05, 02:27 PM
According to ESPN's Cold Pizza this morning, there is a huge error in Kittle's book. It mentions that Kittle asked Bonds to sign the SF Giants jersey in 1992...when he was still in Pittsburgh. Makes one wonder...
The_Explorer
06-09-05, 07:08 AM
According to ESPN's Cold Pizza this morning, there is a huge error in Kittle's book. It mentions that Kittle asked Bonds to sign the SF Giants jersey in 1992...when he was still in Pittsburgh. Makes one wonder...
maybe he had predictive powers and knew Barroid would end up there?
According to ESPN's Cold Pizza this morning, there is a huge error in Kittle's book. It mentions that Kittle asked Bonds to sign the SF Giants jersey in 1992...when he was still in Pittsburgh. Makes one wonder...
Thats a pretty big error for an editor to miss...the type of error that people sue over.
LuckyLopez
06-09-05, 03:36 PM
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050609/APS/506091011
Barry Bonds blasted former White Sox slugger Ron Kittle, whose recently released book quotes the San Francisco star as saying "I don't sign for white people" before a game at Wrigley Field 12 years ago.
"Who is Kittle? How long did he play? He played in our league?" Bonds said, lying on a clubhouse couch before Thursday's game against the Kansas City Royals. "Ha! Do you guys believe that? ... Do you guys know my life history a little bit? ... One, you insult my children, who are half-white.
"I was married to a woman who was white, so let's get real. I don't even know the guy. Tell him he's an ... idiot. Somebody said he wanted a piece of me. Tell him I'm at 24 Willie Mays Plaza and he can come get me anytime he wants to - with pleasure. Don't insult my family."
I heard it on the radio but Tuscaloosa News is the best online source I can find at this moment.
YankeeFan1
06-09-05, 04:46 PM
Thats a pretty big error for an editor to miss...the type of error that people sue over. It is a big error given that it occurs when Kittle claims Bonds made this statement, but I'm not sure that it is enough grounds for Bonds to sue.
Also like RhodyYanksFan said, Bonds is right about Boston. It is one of the most racist/segregation northern cities in the country.
You also refer in a later post to residential segregation. Because, of course, segregation is actually quantifiable, I decided to look into whether your assertion is true. By at least one measure of segregation (utilized by the Census Bureau), it's not:
http://www.detnews.com/2002/census/...ensus-22710.htm
Detroit, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Chicago, Newark, New York, Philadelphia, and Cincinnati all have more residential segregation than Boston.
Interestingly, New Orleans is the only Southern city (unless you count Miami) that's more segregated than Boston.
By pointing out these numbers, I don't mean to discount the truly ugly history of racism in Boston, or anyone's individual experiences with it. And I totally agree with your point in a later post that rather than get defensive about racism, we should just work to fight it. But I've noticed that a lot of people will point to places with a reputation for racism, like Boston, or the South, as a way to avoid having to face the reality that their cities also have race problems. I think we'd be better off if we stopped trying to label other places as "the most racist" and instead just recognized that racism is a global problem and we need to work against it everywhere.
in2dust2002
06-10-05, 09:39 AM
Its BONDS* why cant anyone get it right
Boogiedown Bomber
06-10-05, 09:56 AM
It's seems that this is the right time for people to lobby character assassinations at Bonds. I'm not a fan of Bonds at all, but I wonder, is Kittle's statement just the tip of the iceberg here?
cubswin
06-10-05, 10:57 AM
You also refer in a later post to residential segregation. Because, of course, segregation is actually quantifiable, I decided to look into whether your assertion is true. By at least one measure of segregation (utilized by the Census Bureau), it's not:
http://www.detnews.com/2002/census/...ensus-22710.htm
Detroit, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Chicago, Newark, New York, Philadelphia, and Cincinnati all have more residential segregation than Boston.
Interestingly, New Orleans is the only Southern city (unless you count Miami) that's more segregated than Boston.
By pointing out these numbers, I don't mean to discount the truly ugly history of racism in Boston, or anyone's individual experiences with it. And I totally agree with your point in a later post that rather than get defensive about racism, we should just work to fight it. But I've noticed that a lot of people will point to places with a reputation for racism, like Boston, or the South, as a way to avoid having to face the reality that their cities also have race problems. I think we'd be better off if we stopped trying to label other places as "the most racist" and instead just recognized that racism is a global problem and we need to work against it everywhere.
rck, thanks for digging up those stats. Too bad the person who made the claim couldn't go to the trouble of ascertaining whether he/she was actually right before posting alleged facts.
Re. the rest of your post, I think you're dead on.
LuckyLopez
06-10-05, 11:06 AM
It's seems that this is the right time for people to lobby character assassinations at Bonds. I'm not a fan of Bonds at all, but I wonder, is Kittle's statement just the tip of the iceberg here?
Well the mistress' book was probably the tip of the iceberg. But yeah, I'm with you. Bonds is going to see any number of attacks and accusations - some true, some false, and some somewhere in the middle - from here on out. And unfortunatelly the climate is ripe for most of them to be accepted at face value by the masses, regardless of questions (like this one seemed to be).
Yankee Bulldawg
06-10-05, 11:16 AM
i would'nt want Bonds' autograph anyway and this latest incident goes to show that the only person Bonds really cares about is himself and no one else.
aren't barry bonds children half-white?
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