View Full Version : Manny Ramirez HBP & taken out of game
Yankeeah
05-09-05, 06:56 PM
Manny Ramirez got hit by a pitch and taken out of tonights A's/Red Sox game. Didn't this happen over the weekend too? Any news on this?
pedromartinezfan
05-09-05, 06:57 PM
He got hit in the back of the helmet by a curveball that just got away. He got taken out of the game just to be cautious.
FormerlyKnownAsMHHL
05-09-05, 07:05 PM
He got hit this weekend in the thigh, and then cramped up in the cold and sat out most of the first and all of the second. This one got him in the helmet, but he walked off so he should be OK.
CTSoxFan
05-09-05, 07:07 PM
Heh. With Wakefield on the mound, the retaliatory strike won't even sting.
Heh. With Wakefield on the mound, the retaliatory strike won't even sting.
At least Boston fans get retaliatory strikes...
penfold
05-09-05, 07:17 PM
It seems like an awful lot of batters are getting hit in the head this year.
Not cool.
yanksphan
05-09-05, 07:27 PM
It seems like an awful lot of batters are getting hit in the head this year.
Not cool. agreed.
Apparantly the tougher steroid policy is having quite the effect on pitchers' control
BoSox37
05-09-05, 07:32 PM
There will be no retaliation. The pitch was a curveball, there was clearly no intent. Manny also seemed to be fine, so I'd bet he is in the lineup tomorrow night.
nyymt62
05-09-05, 08:20 PM
Heh. With Wakefield on the mound, the retaliatory strike won't even sting.
It sure won't. But unfortantly the Yanks can't hit that Wakefield knuckle ball that goes so slow it looks like it is going backwards.
Manny actually ducked into that pitch, it would have hit him in the arm/side.
cubswin
05-09-05, 10:09 PM
Manny actually ducked into that pitch, it would have hit him in the arm/side.
Yes, b/c it was a breaking pitch that only broke a little. Not much choice for him.
FreeYayo
05-09-05, 10:16 PM
Yes, b/c it was a breaking pitch that only broke a little. Not much choice for him.
No it's just another ploy for the Sox to get attention
Don't let the facts get in the way ;)
cubswin
05-09-05, 10:18 PM
No it's just another ploy for the Sox to get attention
Don't let the facts get in the way ;)
:lol: (it also provided another opportunity for Ramirez, aka "thug," to storm the mound, as he "always" does)
There will be no retaliation. The pitch was a curveball, there was clearly no intent. Manny also seemed to be fine, so I'd bet he is in the lineup tomorrow night.
Exactly no way Haren wants to hit Manny to load the bases, no retaliation necessary.
brosiusbuddy
05-09-05, 10:33 PM
He shouldn't have ducked down right into the path of the ball.
cubswin
05-09-05, 10:38 PM
He shouldn't have ducked down right into the path of the ball.
That's a good idea.
chanman7483
05-09-05, 10:54 PM
He shouldn't have ducked down right into the path of the ball.
at the time, the ball was headed for his head... he ducked.. .and as he did, the ball broke. i'm sure it was a natural response.. no one wants to get hit in the head..
BTw, i'm sure getting hit by a breaking pitch still hurts... i'm not saying it'll put you out of commision, but even if you're just throwing a ball around in the backyard and one gets you good, you're hurtin...
He probably got off easier getting hit in the head, in highschool I got hit more than a few times, and once pretty good in the head by a kid that threw in the 90s, the head didnt hurt at all, it just dazed me a bit.
Getting hit in the ribs on the other hand hurt like a bitch.
bnorris85
05-10-05, 12:45 AM
what i dont understand is why all the damn local tv stations are acting like manny wanted to come out of the game. They dogged him for coming out the other day after getting drilled in the leg. It was like 50 degrees out that night and raining, he played in the of for 2 or 3 innings after getting the hit. He came in to pitch hit the next game in the double header. Now he gets hit in the head by a pitch (81mph is still fast to be hit).
i dont understand why they are acting like he doesnt want to play
brosiusbuddy
05-10-05, 02:55 AM
even if you're just throwing a ball around in the backyard and one gets you good, you're hurtin...
Yeah, that's because I dont wear a helmet when I throw around in the backyard.
LuckyLopez
05-10-05, 03:31 AM
He probably got off easier getting hit in the head, in highschool I got hit more than a few times, and once pretty good in the head by a kid that threw in the 90s, the head didnt hurt at all, it just dazed me a bit.
Getting hit in the ribs on the other hand hurt like a bitch.
Yeah, but there's a world of greater risk that comes with a head shot. Plus, you can take damage to the head and not even realize it. In a situation like this they'll obviouslly be more careful but I've known quite a few people to take headshots and not register much worry/pain only to suffer from what seemed to be a concussion soon after.
With the possible exception of the Lance Carter/David Ortiz incident I don't think any of these head shots seemed in any way intentional (the Carter one was obviouslly intentional in hitting him but I don't know about the location). It just seems like an unfortunate coincidence that we've had so many this season. Didn't someone else go down last week?
nhyankeefan
05-10-05, 05:57 AM
what i dont understand is why all the damn local tv stations are acting like manny wanted to come out of the game. They dogged him for coming out the other day after getting drilled in the leg. It was like 50 degrees out that night and raining, he played in the of for 2 or 3 innings after getting the hit. He came in to pitch hit the next game in the double header. Now he gets hit in the head by a pitch (81mph is still fast to be hit).
i dont understand why they are acting like he doesnt want to play
They're just trying to create a story where there isn't one. It doesn't help that Manny as recently as last year missed games for questionable reasons will always make him suspect.
The_Explorer
05-10-05, 07:52 AM
maybe the pitchers realize he's been hitting bad and are trying to knock some sense into him ;)
i didn't see it but doesn't sound intentional. i agree with the other poster that its very disturbing to see all these guys getting hit in the head this year. hopefully no one gets seriously injured.
Kate774
05-10-05, 08:40 AM
They're just trying to create a story where there isn't one. It doesn't help that Manny as recently as last year missed games for questionable reasons will always make him suspect.
Actually, that was 2 years ago. I don't remember any incidents from last year...
nhyankeefan
05-10-05, 08:49 AM
Actually, that was 2 years ago. I don't remember any incidents from last year...
Last year around the all star break Manny took himself out of the last game, played in the All Star game and then missed the first few games after the break. The fact is, there's a pattern of Manny missing time for questionable reasons here and the media is always going to assume he's dogging it even though I don't think it's true in this case.
Kate774
05-10-05, 08:55 AM
Last year around the all star break Manny took himself out of the last game, played in the All Star game and then missed the first few games after the break. The fact is, there's a pattern of Manny missing time for questionable reasons here and the media is always going to assume he's dogging it even though I don't think it's true in this case.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Well, we in Boston have a phrase now whenever Manny acts like that: "Its just Manny being Manny". You gotta take the good with the bad and I'd rather deal with his knuckleheadedness than not have him on the team. He means well...
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2005/05/09/1115697426_7537.jpg
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Well, we in Boston have a phrase now whenever Manny acts like that: "Its just Manny being Manny". You gotta take the good with the bad and I'd rather deal with his knuckleheadedness than not have him on the team. He means well...
Well, he's f'ing up my fantasy team this week so tell him to get the hell back in the lineup and start hitting. No interceptions this week either, ok!
Kate774
05-10-05, 09:02 AM
Well, he's f'ing up my fantasy team this week so tell him to get the hell back in the lineup and start hitting. No interceptions this week either, ok!
Hey I'm sure he'd love to but people keep hitting HIM. Don't worry, he'll pay off for you...
YankeePride1967
05-10-05, 09:11 AM
well, let me say I have not read any other post in this thread, but I can't think of the last time a player got hit by a pitch, and left a game two days in a row.
Kate774
05-10-05, 09:15 AM
well, let me say I have not read any other post in this thread, but I can't think of the last time a player got hit by a pitch, and left a game two days in a row.
I'm sensing sarcasm. From what I heard, he cramped up in the cold weather on Saturday, and they took him out last night as a precaution based on the fact that Oakland can't hit and they didn't think they'd need him... ;)
I'm sensing sarcasm. From what I heard, he cramped up in the cold weather on Saturday, and they took him out last night as a precaution based on the fact that Oakland can't hit and they didn't think they'd need him... ;)
I'm just wishing that they'd hit him in his last at bat, not the first.
Kate774
05-10-05, 09:21 AM
Here's what the Globe says about it:
The Red Sox slugger left last night's game in the first inning after being hit on the helmet with an 81-mile-per-hour Dan Haren slider that Ramirez seemed to lean into. It was the second time in as many days that Ramirez left a game in which he was hit by a pitch. In the first game of Sunday's doubleheader, he was hit in the left thigh in the second inning and left after grounding into a force in the fourth. Ramirez didn't start the nightcap but got two late-game at-bats after replacing Trot Nixon in the lineup.
Ramirez was not hospitalized last night but was examined by the Sox medical staff and sent home. He was being monitored at home for the signs of a concussion and will be reevaluated today.
"I don't think there were any concussion symptoms," said manager Terry Francona. "He was a little woozy. The goods news was it wasn't a fastball, but it hit him square. I don't think he was quite sure which direction to go for a second there. But, again, he's not showing symptoms of a concussion, so we'll check him tomorrow."
At first it appeared Ramirez was going to shake it off and trot down to first base, but after meeting with trainer Jim Rowe, Ramirez came out and was replaced by Jay Payton.
Sounds like if everything checks out today, he could be back in the lineup as soon as tonight...
cubswin
05-10-05, 09:45 AM
Here's what the Globe says about it:
Quote:
The Red Sox slugger left last night's game in the first inning after being hit on the helmet with an 81-mile-per-hour Dan Haren slider that Ramirez seemed to lean into.
...
Yes... he leaned into it.. with his head...
Idiots.
YankeePride1967
05-10-05, 10:12 AM
I'm sensing sarcasm. From what I heard, he cramped up in the cold weather on Saturday, and they took him out last night as a precaution based on the fact that Oakland can't hit and they didn't think they'd need him... ;)
Just in the sense that I found it a strange quirk that something like that happened on consecutive days (being HBP and leaving the game). I don't recall ever seeing that happen.
Bronson'sCornrows
05-10-05, 10:28 AM
Well, he's f'ing up my fantasy team this week so tell him to get the hell back in the lineup and start hitting. No interceptions this week either, ok!
I'll cut a deal with you. Matsui's been ................ing up my fantasy team for a while now. If you pretend to talk to him, I'll pretend to talk to Manny. Whadda ya say, pal?
I'll cut a deal with you. Matsui's been ................ing up my fantasy team for a while now. If you pretend to talk to him, I'll pretend to talk to Manny. Whadda ya say, pal?
Deal. Consider it done.
UncleSam
05-10-05, 11:01 AM
I'll cut a deal with you. Matsui's been ................ing up my fantasy team for a while now. If you pretend to talk to him, I'll pretend to talk to Manny. Whadda ya say, pal?
Wow, Sox and Yanks fans working together! First sign of the Apocalypse?
Kate774
05-10-05, 11:01 AM
Just in the sense that I found it a strange quirk that something like that happened on consecutive days (being HBP and leaving the game). I don't recall ever seeing that happen.
You're not wrong, I don't remember anything like that happening either.
The_Explorer
05-10-05, 02:46 PM
as much as i love manny, how in the world would you know if he has a concussion or not? he seems like he has a permanent one all the time :lol:
CTSoxFan
05-10-05, 02:58 PM
as much as i love manny, how in the world would you know if he has a concussion or not? he seems like he has a permanent one all the time :lol:
Let's just say there would have to be symptoms other than behavioral. :D
as much as i love manny, how in the world would you know if he has a concussion or not? he seems like he has a permanent one all the time :lol:
Jim ROme did a funny bit on that today:
You'd start worrying about Manny if he started solving calculus equations, hitting cut off men, etc
BoSox37
05-10-05, 04:16 PM
Manny is starting tonight, so it appears the he is going to be fine.
Pepper03
05-14-05, 07:32 PM
The hot Red Sox issue is now "What's wrong with Manny".
He has hit .257 since the all-star break, and is only hitting around .240 this year. While his production is fine, his average is way down, his defense is terrible, and his baserunning is clueless.
Rumor has it Manny is not happy this year, although different theories are being floated, such as he is unhappy that Pedro is gone, or he is unhappy the Red Sox tried to trade him to the Mets this past offseason, which is news to me.
He does seem to be a little more "distracted" than usual-of course, we are told that's just Manny being Manny, but he does seem different this year.
The hot Red Sox issue is now "What's wrong with Manny".
He has hit .257 since the all-star break, and is only hitting around .240 this year. While his production is fine, his average is way down, his defense is terrible, and his baserunning is clueless.
Rumor has it Manny is not happy this year, although different theories are being floated, such as he is unhappy that Pedro is gone, or he is unhappy the Red Sox tried to trade him to the Mets this past offseason, which is news to me.
He does seem to be a little more "distracted" than usual-of course, we are told that's just Manny being Manny, but he does seem different this year.
He did do pretty well for them in the playoffs though
StaceyRosie
05-14-05, 07:41 PM
his defense is terrible
Wait...I thought that was normal? :P
SoxfaninNY
05-14-05, 07:43 PM
Right now, he's on pace for over 30 HR and 130 RBI. I'm not worried. He'll be fine.
CoyoteYankee
05-14-05, 07:44 PM
Most likely Manny will go on a tear. He is one of the best hitters I have ever seen. I would be very surprised if he didn't hit .300 by the end of the year. Over the last 10 years there has only been one year that he hasn't hit .300 (in 1998) and he hit .294!
He is going to be 33 this year (the day before my birthday!) so I doubt he is going to drop off due to aging. Unless he is hurt, I expect he'll be fine.
cubswin
05-14-05, 07:48 PM
He clearly hasn't been his usual at the plate, but I'm not too concerned. Just last night, for ex, he lost at least 2 hits -- one liner to center that the CF just missed getting and through Nixon out at 2nd on (he had to hold up b/c it was so close) and one hard line drive directly at Beltre. And that was on top of the double he had, which was a hard liner he went the other way with.
nhyankeefan
05-15-05, 06:46 AM
Manny offers a reason for his "slump".
''My mom's been real sick," Ramirez said. ''I've been thinking a lot about that. She's now getting better. Like, what's the name of the disease? She's got a disease. She can't move with her legs. It's a weird name. She's getting better. She's got to get a lot of massages."
Asked if it was arthritis, Ramirez said, ''Yeah, yeah, arthritis. She's getting a lot of massages, trying to get better. She's in Fort Lauderdale [Fla.]. I haven't gone back to see her."
This ought to keep talk radio busy for a few days.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/05/15/mother_on_his_mind/
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