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If all this bad news about Schilling pans out, I wonder how the general reaction will change to the "revolutionary" surgical procedures that let him pitch through his pain in the last postseason.
I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but during the whole thing last year with Schilling and his ankle, I had a feeling that Schilling was really messing up his foot for good with that temporary procedure they did. It just didn't sound good at all, and I'm not all that surprised that he's still having problems this season, and may never be the same pitcher again.
Of course, then there will probably be even more hero worship for him in Boston because he'll have given up his career all for the Sox :barf:, and I'm sure we'll get 80 bazillion interview about it over the next 50 years.
RhodeyYankee2638
05-05-05, 10:28 PM
I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, .
i love your style kid
Circle Change
05-06-05, 02:35 AM
This is exactly what happened when Pedro started having shoulder trouble.
That wasn't just nonsense, that injury ruined his career in my view. The fact that he cameback and won two more MLB ERA titles is just because he's that damn great. I don't think Schilling will be the same after this, especially at his age.
I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but during the whole thing last year with Schilling and his ankle, I had a feeling that Schilling was really messing up his foot for good with that temporary procedure they did. It just didn't sound good at all, and I'm not all that surprised that he's still having problems this season, and may never be the same pitcher again.
Of course, then there will probably be even more hero worship for him in Boston because he'll have given up his career all for the Sox :barf:, and I'm sure we'll get 80 bazillion interview about it over the next 50 years.
I've got some knowledge in the area and really don't think that that procedure really was that great a factor. He had pitched with an injured ankle for a long time and that will probably be the real factor in whether and how well he comes out of this situation. He only ptiched on the frakensteined ankle for 2 games and the surgery did help stabilize the problem.
We can only hope it doesn't affect his golf game in his retirement ( maybe sooner than planned)
yanksphan
05-10-05, 01:44 PM
Hmmm....
(from BDD)
Curt Schilling on with WEEI's Dennis and Callahan:
Is the ankle getting better?
Curt: "I don't know, I really don't. It's... I have the boot on and the etiquette handed down was to wear the boot around the clock and for an extended period of time and check it every so often and go from there.
Is it on like 23 hours a day?
Pretty much. Pretty much. I'm gonna keep it on here until the end of the homestand and get it checked here at the end of the homestand and go from there.
Does that mean you get out of shape again? Cause I know the hardest thing over the winter was staying in shape
Yeah, um I am actually doing two a day right now. Keeping the boot on riding the bike or swimming. Working with Chris Correnti, when I get into the park and later again in the afternoon to kind of speed up the work that I wasn't able to do before. Just trying to make sure that, when we met the other day, one thing I said was that I want to be on the mound the minute I can be but the way it's going now, it might be quicker for me to come back as a middle reliever."
On travelling with the team:
"When I get away from the game, that energy that you get from the ballpark you start to lose. And you lose it fast. And getting back into the swing of things takes a long period of time for me. And I don't want to have to do that to get back on the mound. It looks to me now like Wellsey's doing well and he was working while we were gone. He's probably going to be back before me."
So you don't think he (Wells) belonged there with you on the bench?
No. No, no, no, no, no, no this is an individual thing. He had things set up with one of the therapists here to do his rehab and his work and my concern again was just mentally being kind of still in the thing while I'm not pitching, and that's a priority for me."
BronxByTheBay
05-10-05, 02:02 PM
Hmmm....
(from BDD)
I think I'm begining to understand why Sox fans are desperate for Miller to work out.
yanksphan
05-10-05, 02:25 PM
I think I'm begining to understand why Sox fans are desperate for Miller to work out.
Well hell, if Curt can sacrifice his ankle for a Championship, maybe Miller can suck it up and pitch twice every 5 games....I mean, GOSH...;)
BronxByTheBay
05-10-05, 02:26 PM
Well hell, if Curt can sacrifice his ankle for a Championship, maybe Miller can suck it up and pitch twice every 5 games....I mean, GOSH...;)
Just wait till Wells gets back. He'll set their ship straight.
NDBoston
05-10-05, 02:34 PM
I think I'm begining to understand why Sox fans are desperate for Miller to work out.
Have you noticed how the Red Sox have played since Wells and Schilling went down?
Nobody's desperate in Boston except for some idiotic WEEI callers.
yanksphan
05-10-05, 02:34 PM
Just wait till Wells gets back. He'll set their ship straight.
"Wells" and "straight" are two words that shouldn't be used together... :D
MiamiKat
05-10-05, 02:34 PM
Just wait till Wells gets back. He'll set their ship straight.
Just make sure he's standing in the middle of that ship. Wouldn't want it to tip over or anything. http://www.nyyfans.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif
UncleSam
05-10-05, 02:38 PM
I think I'm begining to understand why Sox fans are desperate for Miller to work out.
Did I miss something, are aren't the Sox 8-2 in their last 10 games without Schilling and Wells and with a lineup that's largely not hitting all that well?
The last thing we are is desperate. Just hopeful, because an effective Miller would give the team some nice options.
MiamiKat
05-10-05, 02:43 PM
Have you noticed how the Red Sox have played since Wells and Schilling went down?
Nobody's desperate in Boston except for some idiotic WEEI callers.
IIRC, all the teams they've played since these late April DL assignments are right around .500 or below. They're the teams the defending World Champions are supposed to beat up.
I think the questions will be better answered re: the impact of losing Wells & Schilling when the Sox play a series or two against one of the other division leaders.
(EDIT: assuming either or both are still on the DL, that is...)
YankeePride1967
05-10-05, 02:46 PM
Have you noticed how the Red Sox have played since Wells and Schilling went down?
Nobody's desperate in Boston except for some idiotic WEEI callers.
I think as long as Schilling is back (and is the Curt Schilling that he is being counted on) for the playoffs they will be fine.
UncleSam
05-10-05, 02:53 PM
I think the questions will be better answered re: the impact of losing Wells & Schilling when the Sox play a series or two against one of the other division leaders.
(EDIT: assuming either or both are still on the DL, that is...)
I'm sorry but that argument is a cop out. The argument is about pitching and the guys the Sox have turned to as fill-ins for Schilling and Wells have been effective in their starts.
Wells and Schilling have been out, period. Who they are playing in the schedule is not important. The quality of the performances of the guys filling in is what matters, and they have been good. If Jeremi Gonzalez is effective for 4 or 5 starts and then gets roughed up for one start against the White Sox, he's still done a good job filling in.
CTSoxFan
05-10-05, 02:54 PM
...some idiotic WEEI callers.
Talk about your redundancies.
MiamiKat
05-10-05, 03:00 PM
I'm sorry but that argument is a cop out. The argument is about pitching and the guys the Sox have turned to as fill-ins for Schilling and Wells have been effective in their starts.
Wells and Schilling have been out, period. Who they are playing in the schedule is not important. The quality of the performances of the guys filling in is what matters, and they have been good. If Jeremi Gonzalez is effective for 4 or 5 starts and then gets roughed up for one start against the White Sox, he's still done a good job filling in.
I think I'm taking more of a long-term view of this than you are. I totally agree with you that right now, for the last few games, it hasn't mattered one bit that Schilling and Wells are on the DL.
But what if Schilling is out for a long time -- a definite possibility -- and Wells comes back but continues to be uneven (2 good games, 1 stinker, etc)?
Are you willing to rely on a top 3 of Clement, Wakefield & Arroyo (maybe Miller) in series against tougher teams, down the stretch and, if need be, into the playoffs?
BronxByTheBay
05-10-05, 03:06 PM
Did I miss something, are aren't the Sox 8-2 in their last 10 games without Schilling and Wells and with a lineup that's largely not hitting all that well?
The last thing we are is desperate. Just hopeful, because an effective Miller would give the team some nice options.
Have you noticed how the Red Sox have played since Wells and Schilling went down?
Nobody's desperate in Boston except for some idiotic WEEI callers.
I think you guys are just a wee bit defensive. I also think you're not very realistic if you think things will be just fine without Curt Schilling.
I think as long as Schilling is back (and is the Curt Schilling that he is being counted on) for the playoffs they will be fine.
W/o Schilling it will be very hard for them to repeat. The fillins have done well and theya re on a roll, but having to use Halama and Gonzalez will have to catch up with them at some point in the future.
That said, they have been very hot
YankeePride1967
05-10-05, 03:08 PM
I think you guys are just a wee bit defensive. I also think you're not very realistic if you think things will be just fine without Curt Schilling.
I agree, especially if they make it to the playoffs. I would love facing them with Clement or Miller as their ace.
YankeePride1967
05-10-05, 03:09 PM
W/o Schilling it will be very hard for them to repeat. The fillins have done well and theya re on a roll, but having to use Halama and Gonzalez will have to catch up with them at some point in the future.
That said, they have been very hot
Agreed, in the playoffs, having that ace is really important. They have enough depth at pitching and enough hitting, IMHO, to get there.
BronxByTheBay
05-10-05, 03:10 PM
I agree, especially if they make it to the playoffs. I would love facing them with Clement or Miller as their ace.
Same here. I find it funny that both guys jumped up like their pants were on fire at the audacity of suggesting things may get a little desperate if Curt isn't available.
I know I'd be pretty desperate if something happened to RJ or Moose.
UncleSam
05-10-05, 03:15 PM
I think I'm taking more of a long-term view of this than you are. I totally agree with you that right now, for the last few games, it hasn't mattered one bit that Schilling and Wells are on the DL.
But what if Schilling is out for a long time -- a definite possibility -- and Wells comes back but continues to be uneven (2 good games, 1 stinker, etc)?
Are you willing to rely on a top 3 of Clement, Wakefield & Arroyo (maybe Miller) down the stretch and, if need be, into the playoffs?
Honestly, right now Clement, Wakefield and Arroyo have picked up the slack and have performed up to the level of 1-3 starters. As a result, Gonzalez/Miller/Halama need to fill the roles of #4 and #5 for the time being.
I do not think the Sox need both Schilling and Wells to be healthy to make a run at the playoffs, but I wouldn't have a lot of confidence that they could make a World Series if that was the case.
cubswin
05-10-05, 03:16 PM
Same here. I find it funny that both guys jumped up like their pants were on fire at the audacity of suggesting things may get a little desperate if Curt isn't available.
I know I'd be pretty desperate if something happened to RJ or Moose.
That's because your post didn't really say that. Intentional or not, it said you understand why people are desperate -- i.e., are currently desperate for Miller.
I'd say that people certainly would become desperate if Schilling were to prove unable to pitch, but that's a big "if" still.
YankeePride1967
05-10-05, 03:20 PM
That's because your post didn't really say that. Intentional or not, it said you understand why people are desperate -- i.e., are currently desperate for Miller.
I'd say that people certainly would become desperate if Schilling were to prove unable to pitch, but that's a big "if" still.
I think it's a big if either way (being CS he was last year or not)
UncleSam
05-10-05, 03:21 PM
Same here. I find it funny that both guys jumped up like their pants were on fire at the audacity of suggesting things may get a little desperate if Curt isn't available.
I know I'd be pretty desperate if something happened to RJ or Moose.
You misunderstand the response. The assertion was that we Red Sox fans are desperate for Miller to do well. We were not defensive, just saying that there has been no cause for desperation yet. If Schilling turns out to be on the shelf until August and Wells struggles upon his return, then that mood will change, but right now most of us are pretty comfortable.
I still think many of you expect us to be the same worrisome Red Sox fans you've known your whole lives, but in the wake of last year, optimism is the new outlook.
CTSoxFan
05-10-05, 03:23 PM
I agree, especially if they make it to the playoffs. I would love facing them with Clement or Miller as their ace.
Yep. Major difference without Schilling there is, we have to count on someone else to step up as the ace, and we have to count on an unlikely source of good performance (sorta like DLowe stepped up last year). It's far from impossible, but I'd be a lot happier with a healthy Schilling coming back at or before the All-Star break, to be sure.
Honestly, right now Clement, Wakefield and Arroyo have picked up the slack and have performed up to the level of 1-3 starters. As a result, Gonzalez/Miller/Halama need to fill the roles of #4 and #5 for the time being.
I do not think the Sox need both Schilling and Wells to be healthy to make a run at the playoffs, but I wouldn't have a lot of confidence that they could make a World Series if that was the case.
The distinction between slots 1-5 really comes into play in the playoffs, not so much during the regular season. Unless you skip the 5th starter when you can, those slots get 40% of the starts. If the belly boys are out, or inneffective, what will the fillins be able to contribute over a long period? Wake, and Clement have been pitching above their normal levels and Brandon has to lose eventually ( doesn't he???? )
I can understand your comfort zone though- the team has performed well missing key pieces and with some not hitting well
BronxByTheBay
05-10-05, 03:54 PM
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I still think many of you expect us to be the same worrisome Red Sox fans you've known your whole lives, but in the wake of last year, optimism is the new outlook.
I think you're flattering yourself by believing most Yankee fans care one way or the other. You guys can climb walls and play with your own poo or you can sit cross-legged and chanting - it doesn't mean a thing.
Your ace gives an interview that doesn't exactly sound heartening. Your number 2 guy is also on the DL. Sorry, but if you think I'm stretching the point by saying some of you might be a little breathless in your hopes for Miller as a result, then I'd suggest you either watch more baseball or less.
BronxByTheBay
05-10-05, 03:57 PM
That's because your post didn't really say that. Intentional or not, it said you understand why people are desperate -- i.e., are currently desperate for Miller.
I'd say that people certainly would become desperate if Schilling were to prove unable to pitch, but that's a big "if" still.
Sorry, cubby, but that interview is not a confidence-builder. I have no idea what's gonna happen with Schilling, but if Miller goes and gets lit up his next outing, something tells me the mood of RSN is gonna change just a little.
cubswin
05-10-05, 04:01 PM
Sorry, cubby, but that interview is not a confidence-builder. I have no idea what's gonna happen with Schilling, but if Miller goes and gets lit up his next outing, something tells me the mood of RSN is gonna change just a little.
agreed re. the interview and re. not knowing what's going to happen, but as long as the team is winning, most people shouldn't be very worked up. If they go on a losing streak the next few weeks and Schilling still isn't showing any signs of returning, then I'm sure people will be worried.
UncleSam
05-10-05, 04:03 PM
I think you're flattering yourself by believing most Yankee fans care one way or the other. You guys can climb walls and play with your own poo or you can sit cross-legged and chanting - it doesn't mean a thing.
Your ace gives an interview that doesn't exactly sound heartening. Your number 2 guy is also on the DL. Sorry, but if you think I'm stretching the point by saying some of you might be a little breathless in your hopes for Miller as a result, then I'd suggest you either watch more baseball or less.
The problem, my friend, is that you made a blanket statement and said "Sox fans" were desperate, not some Sox fans. I'm sure some Sox fans are a little concerned, but many of us are not. And, if you don't care, why do you keep mentioning us and giving opinions about how we're feeling?
daverave
05-10-05, 04:04 PM
I agree, especially if they make it to the playoffs. I would love facing them with Clement or Miller as their ace.
Arroyo continues to be the only one on their staff that scares me and that includes CS. Oh, wait a minute, then there's friggin' Wakefield, too. :eek:
BronxByTheBay
05-10-05, 04:08 PM
Arroyo continues to be the only one on their staff that scares me and that includes CS. Oh, wait a minute, then there's friggin' Wakefield, too. :eek:
Arroyo doesn't scare me. He may be legit as a starter, but I don't recall him ever having a great amount of success against us.
noneckwilliams
05-10-05, 04:09 PM
Schilling is so full of farking manure. Why anyone listens to what he says at this point is beyond me. He'll be back in the rotation by mid-June.
Let the RS deal with their own problems - the Y's need to get to .500. Then we can worry about Big Mouth Ass.
BronxByTheBay
05-10-05, 04:12 PM
The problem, my friend, is that you made a blanket statement and said "Sox fans" were desperate, not some Sox fans. I'm sure some Sox fans are a little concerned, but many of us are not. And, if you don't care, why do you keep mentioning us and giving opinions about how we're feeling?
Because I decided to respond to an interesting post in a specific thread on an internet bulletin board. Should I have made a comment about the weather instead? You're the one who introduced the subject of what Yankee fans are supposedly thinking about Sox fans and blah blah blah.
I commented on Wade Miller's importance to Sox fans as it relates to Schilling's health. If you think the two aren't related, good for you. I do.
BronxByTheBay
05-10-05, 04:13 PM
agreed re. the interview and re. not knowing what's going to happen, but as long as the team is winning, most people shouldn't be very worked up. If they go on a losing streak the next few weeks and Schilling still isn't showing any signs of returning, then I'm sure people will be worried.
Sure, winning cures all ills. As we're slowly seeing on this side of the fence.
jeterjuice
05-10-05, 04:22 PM
Arroyo doesn't scare me. He may be legit as a starter, but I don't recall him ever having a great amount of success against us.
Although he may not have great success, the team does seem to win whenever he starts. On top of having the longest current win streak (9) in the majors, they have won something like 15 of his last 16 starts. This includes four starts last year and one this year against the Yankees. And all five of those games were ND's for Arroyo.
So while I agree that the person himself does not concern me, I cannot overlook his teams knack for winning whenever he starts. Freaky.
BronxByTheBay
05-10-05, 04:31 PM
Although he may not have great success, the team does seem to win whenever he starts. On top of having the longest current win streak (9) in the majors, they have won something like 15 of his last 16 starts. This includes four starts last year and one this year against the Yankees. And all five of those games were ND's for Arroyo.
So while I agree that the person himself does not concern me, I cannot overlook his teams knack for winning whenever he starts. Freaky.
Well, here's hoping we get our pitching in order so we can neutralize both when the time comes.
Kate774
05-10-05, 04:34 PM
IIRC, all the teams they've played since these late April DL assignments are right around .500 or below. They're the teams the defending World Champions are supposed to beat up.
I think the questions will be better answered re: the impact of losing Wells & Schilling when the Sox play a series or two against one of the other division leaders.
(EDIT: assuming either or both are still on the DL, that is...)
OK, then I'll be happy to say that this Yankee 3 game winning streak is worthless considering who they've played.
cubswin
05-10-05, 04:43 PM
Sure, winning cures all ills. As we're slowly seeing on this side of the fence.
Who would have thunk?!
(Kind of funny, both my partners are Yankees fans. It's odd, to say the least, when I'm talking more postiively about them than my friends are -- pointing out that the Yanks are perfectly capable of tearing off an 18 of 22 type streak, etc.)
yanksphan
05-10-05, 04:45 PM
OK, then I'll be happy to say that this Yankee 3 game winning streak is worthless considering who they've played.
Hardly worthless when you consider who's beaten us.
Kate774
05-10-05, 04:49 PM
Hardly worthless when you consider who's beaten us.
Good point.
MiamiKat
05-10-05, 04:52 PM
OK, then I'll be happy to say that this Yankee 3 game winning streak is worthless considering who they've played.
You might have noticed I didn't bring up the Yankees at all in my post earlier.
So why did you in your response?
cubswin
05-10-05, 05:12 PM
You might have noticed I didn't bring up the Yankees at all in my post earlier.
So why did you in your response?
A bit off-topic, but do you really think bringing up the Yankees is irrelevant when the discussion is b/t the Sox and the Yanks, and a Yankees fan makes a point re. the Sox (and vice versa). If you agree that the Yanks winning streak is worthless, or less meaningful, due to the competition, then you can simply say so. However, if you disagree, then it might render the initial claim less valid.
Isn't this kind of like a Bush supporter in a debate over Kerry and Bush saying that the Kerry supporter shouldn't bring up Bush's military service after the Bush supporter questions Kerry's?
(Don't get me wrong -- sometimes I totally agree with the claim that a response regarding the Yankees is totally irrelevant and therefore inappropriate. I won't offer examples b/c the first to my mind would probably be misinterpreted by some people here. But it seems like it's become an almost automatic response here, even when the comparison is a fair one.)
[edit: Example came to mind, and I think it clarifies my point. If the argument/assessment re. the Sox is a fair one, one that is agreed, then I think it is completely inappropriate to point out the same issue with the yanks. For ex, if you post that the Sox bullpen isn't pitching well, I think it's nothing but inflammatory to respond simply that the Yanks bullpen isn;t doing do hot, either. However, if the argument is in question, then raising the same question re. the Yanks to gauge the objectivity -- and validity -- of the claim seems perfectly fair.
Do you agree? Am I way off? Am I missing something else?]
MiamiKat
05-10-05, 05:51 PM
A bit off-topic, but do you really think bringing up the Yankees is irrelevant when the discussion is b/t the Sox and the Yanks, and a Yankees fan makes a point re. the Sox (and vice versa). If you agree that the Yanks winning streak is worthless, or less meaningful, due to the competition, then you can simply say so. However, if you disagree, then it might render the initial claim less valid.
Isn't this kind of like a Bush supporter in a debate over Kerry and Bush saying that the Kerry supporter shouldn't bring up Bush's military service after the Bush supporter questions Kerry's?
(Don't get me wrong -- sometimes I totally agree with the claim that a response regarding the Yankees is totally irrelevant and therefore inappropriate. I won't offer examples b/c the first to my mind would probably be misinterpreted by some people here. But it seems like it's become an almost automatic response here, even when the comparison is a fair one.)
[edit: Example came to mind, and I think it clarifies my point. If the argument/assessment re. the Sox is a fair one, one that is agreed, then I think it is completely inappropriate to point out the same issue with the yanks. For ex, if you post that the Sox bullpen isn't pitching well, I think it's nothing but inflammatory to respond simply that the Yanks bullpen isn;t doing do hot, either. However, if the argument is in question, then raising the same question re. the Yanks to gauge the objectivity -- and validity -- of the claim seems perfectly fair.
Do you agree? Am I way off? Am I missing something else?]
I saw a negative post about the Yankees that didn't further the discussion one little bit in a thread in "Around the Majors" called "Curt Schilling to be Placed on 15 Day DL"...a thread that hadn't yet devolved into a Yankees vs Sox discussion. Plus, my posts weren't inflammatory regarding the Sox, IMO.
That summarizes my issues with the post. If bringing up the Yankees furthered the discussion in any way, then I'm fine with doing so.
What I saw, IMO, was baiting.
cubswin
05-10-05, 06:00 PM
I saw a negative post about the Yankees that didn't further the discussion one little bit in a thread in "Around the Majors" called "Curt Schilling to be Placed on 15 Day DL"...a thread that hadn't yet devolved into a Yankees vs Sox discussion. Plus, my posts weren't inflammatory regarding the Sox, IMO.
That summarizes my issues with the post. If bringing up the Yankees furthered the discussion in any way, then I'm fine with doing so.
What I saw, IMO, was baiting.
I have no idea whether the post responding you yours was meant to be baiting; nor do I think your post was inflammatory.
The only way I think the point/question furthered the discussion is to see if you felt that way about the Yankees' wins. If you didn't, then there is an inconsistency, and the claim that the Sox performance was lessened due to the caliber of their opposition is weakened to some extent.
Anyway, thanks for addressing my question, as I really wasn't sure if I was missing something. Sounds like we're actually on the same page, even if not in this particular instance.
NDBoston
05-10-05, 09:06 PM
Schilling is going to be reevaluated tomorrow by the Red Sox doctor so more information should be forthcoming then.
Slightly off-topic:Wells did a long throw today and is expected to be back soon (7-10 days).
Very off topic- Matt Mantei had his 8th consecutive scoreless outing. His ERA is now down to 2.92
CTSoxFan
05-10-05, 10:55 PM
Very off topic- Matt Mantei had his 8th consecutive scoreless outing. His ERA is now down to 2.92
Even more importantly (IMO), this was the fifth outing of the last six that Mantei didn't issue a walk. He's clearly hitting a groove...now let's see if he can stay in it.
CTSoxFan
05-10-05, 10:57 PM
Although he may not have great success, the team does seem to win whenever he starts. On top of having the longest current win streak (9) in the majors, they have won something like 15 of his last 16 starts. This includes four starts last year and one this year against the Yankees. And all five of those games were ND's for Arroyo.
So while I agree that the person himself does not concern me, I cannot overlook his teams knack for winning whenever he starts. Freaky.
The charmed existence continues! Tonight's walk-off win marks the 16th start in a row by Arroyo that the Sox have won (though Bronson himself had been lifted in the seventh, after a solid outing). He didn't get the win tonight, but he sure deserved it.
jeterjuice
05-10-05, 11:24 PM
The charmed existence continues! Tonight's walk-off win marks the 16th start in a row by Arroyo that the Sox have won (though Bronson himself had been lifted in the seventh, after a solid outing). He didn't get the win tonight, but he sure deserved it.
It's not 16 straight ( they lost his 4/19 start vs. Toronto) but I did check harder and it is now 15 wins in his last 16 starts ( and he hasn't lost since mid-August).
Of course, when I heard Millar hit a walk off homer to win the game, my first thought was "of course he did, Arroyo started".
Freaky.
MaineSoxFan
05-11-05, 07:54 AM
Even more importantly (IMO), this was the fifth outing of the last six that Mantei didn't issue a walk. He's clearly hitting a groove...now let's see if he can stay in it.
But I though it had been determined that Mantei was a bust?
Kate774
05-11-05, 09:56 AM
I have no idea whether the post responding you yours was meant to be baiting; nor do I think your post was inflammatory.
The only way I think the point/question furthered the discussion is to see if you felt that way about the Yankees' wins. If you didn't, then there is an inconsistency, and the claim that the Sox performance was lessened due to the caliber of their opposition is weakened to some extent.
cubswin hit the nail on the head as far as what I was getting to. The original post I was responding to was a post questioning the validity of the Sox playing well without Schilling and Wells because of who they were playing. I brought up the Yankees because I wanted to see if the person was being objective or just dismissing how well the Sox have played because of allegiances. It was not meant to bait anyone.
The bottom line is, if you're going to question how well the Sox have played recently because of their competition, then you certainly have to question whether everything is really alright with the Yankees when the've have played the EXACT same teams.
UncleSam
05-11-05, 09:56 AM
I commented on Wade Miller's importance to Sox fans as it relates to Schilling's health. If you think the two aren't related, good for you. I do.
I never had a problem with anyone connecting Wade Miller to Schilling. I know they're related issues and that Miller's effectiveness can help get the Sox through any prolonged stretch that Schilling remains out. My only problem was with your comment that "Sox fans are desperate" for Miller to be good. That's not the case. The Sox are 20-13, the pitching has been solid and they've gotten this far without the offense really getting going. Even on SOSH, the desperate fans are few and far between.
Pepper03
05-11-05, 05:43 PM
I haven't picked up any desperation in Red Sox Nation of any kind.
They are playing well, they have gotten nothing out of Mueller, Bellhorn, Renteria, Millar until the last few games, Manny is hitting around .250, and our best pitcher has given them nothing all year. The closer isn't closing, and they are right in the thick of things.
If Miller gives them anything, it will be gravy.
ryanm1058123
05-11-05, 05:45 PM
I haven't picked up any desperation in Red Sox Nation of any kind.
They are playing well, they have gotten nothing out of Mueller, Bellhorn, Renteria, Millar until the last few games, Manny is hitting around .250, and our best pitcher has given them nothing all year. The closer isn't closing, and they are right in the thick of thinks.
If Miller gives them anything, it will be gravy.
Compared to the Yankees getting nothing from Posada, the DH spot, the 5th starter spot, the 2B spot, and their bullpen. But its different, because the Red Sox problems are fixable. The Yankees aren't.
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UncleSam
05-11-05, 05:55 PM
Compared to the Yankees getting nothing from Posada, the DH spot, the 5th starter spot, the 2B spot, and their bullpen. But its different, because the Red Sox problems are fixable. The Yankees aren't.
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I'm sorry, but are you being sarcastic or serious? Because nowhere in the previous post were the Yankees mentioned.
ryanm1058123
05-11-05, 06:08 PM
I'm sorry, but are you being sarcastic or serious? Because nowhere in the previous post were the Yankees mentioned.
I am being serious. Yankees have not begun to touch the surface on what they can possibly do, the same with the Red Sox. They were getting no production from those positions.
CTSoxFan
05-11-05, 07:10 PM
Compared to the Yankees getting nothing from Posada, the DH spot, the 5th starter spot, the 2B spot, and their bullpen. But its different, because the Red Sox problems are fixable. The Yankees aren't.
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The Yankees' problems aren't fixable? Here's a try:
Posada: not quite dead yet. No reason to think he won't snap out of it anytime.
DH spot: with Bernie out of the field and concentrating on his hitting, it's not unrealistic to think he'll improve.
5th starter: Chien-Ming Wang. So far, so good.
2B spot: bit early to decide Cano's a bust, no?
Bullpen: Rivera has already righted himself. Gordon may do so as well.
It's sure tempting (especially for us Sox fans) to see all these guys slumping at the same time, and write them all off as done for. And if that's the case, then I'll concede that the Yankees have too many holes to be "fixable." But the Yankee rotation still rivals the Sox starters, and as long as that's the case, I'll hold off on funeral services for now.
Maybe check back around the All-Star break, though.
PippyPinstripes
05-11-05, 07:33 PM
But I though it had been determined that Mantei was a bust?
He was.
nhyankeefan
05-12-05, 06:10 AM
Don't know if this has already been reported, but the boot was originally supposed to come off yesterday but now it will stay on for at least one more week.
Curt Schilling, meanwhile, had his ailing right ankle examined yesterday by Dr. George Theodore, who helped operate on Schilling in November. Yesterday marked Schilling's second full week in the removable boot cast, and the initial timetable called for him to be out of the boot yesterday. However, he will continue wearing the boot for this road trip and be reevaluated when the team returns to Boston in a week.
"I guess the way they put it is he's progressing," Francona said.
The Sox are lucky that Clement, Arroyo and their rotation is pitching so well because I doubt Curt will be back (or at least effective) any time soon.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/05/12/session_was_satisfactory?mode=PF
Pepper03
05-12-05, 06:15 AM
As long as Curt is healthy and able to pitch in October the Red Sox will be fine. :D
bakntime
05-12-05, 08:00 AM
The Yankees' problems aren't fixable? Here's a try:
DH spot: with Bernie out of the field and concentrating on his hitting, it's not unrealistic to think he'll improve.And Ruben Sierra returning. And the chance, however remote it is, that Giambi finds himself.
yanksphan
05-26-05, 11:16 AM
from Rotoworld today:
Curt Schilling (ankle) played catch before last night's game in Toronto.
Schilling is currently not speaking to reporters, but the Boston Herald speculates that he is not close to being ready, and is in fact targeting a return after the All-Star break. Schilling went on the disabled list four weeks ago.
:eek::eek::eek:
from Rotoworld today:
:eek::eek::eek:
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wonder how long the media silence will last :uhh: ....ill start the over under at 5 minutes which is probably 4 minutes and 45 seconds too long
Archer1979
05-26-05, 11:40 AM
wonder how long the media silence will last :uhh: ....ill start the over under at 5 minutes which is probably 4 minutes and 45 seconds too long
It depends on what you mean by media. I don't believe that he's granted an interview to the print or TV media in awhile. His only outlets have been the Net, and WEEI.
By the way, this was something that I had heard but had no confirmation, his appearances on WEEI benefit his ALS Foundation, Deborah confirmed this for me earlier:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=2181846&postcount=79
It depends on what you mean by media. I don't believe that he's granted an interview to the print or TV media in awhile. His only outlets have been the Net, and WEEI.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=2181846&postcount=79
the internet and radio are media sources.
UncleSam
05-26-05, 11:47 AM
Honestly, I'm hoping for August 1st, and I'm only cautiously optimistic at this point. Anything before that would be gravy.
Honestly, I'm hoping for August 1st
Me, too.....of 2006 ;)
j/k
silverdsl
05-26-05, 12:07 PM
By the way, this was something that I had heard but had no confirmation, his appearances on WEEI benefit his ALS Foundation, Deborah confirmed this for me earlier:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=2181846&postcount=79I have no confirmation of that either so it may not be true. Simply something that I had heard as well.
If G38 comes around at some point perhaps he can clarify that.
-Deborah
Randy and Curt's wives were just on with Joe and Sid, there was pretty much ZERO interaction between them. They asked Randy's wife about how it was like living in the city, and how Randy is after games. Then they asked Curt's wife about her charity work. It was a good interview, but I don't think they said two words to each other.
And I know I know, they're like best friends.
Archer1979
05-26-05, 12:13 PM
I have no confirmation of that either so it may not be true. Simply something that I had heard as well.
If G38 comes around at some point perhaps he can clarify that.
-Deborah
Not to suck up, but I have more faith in your guesses than I do in a lot of other's facts.
CTSoxFan
05-26-05, 12:40 PM
the internet and radio are media sources.
I think the distinction is, when he's posting on the internet, he controls what is said; his main problem with print reporters (and TV, too) seems to have been in the past that they will print (or air) only a fraction of what he says, frequently out of context, and in a way that doesn't convey what he actually meant to say.
On radio, too, he gets to speak in complete sentences, and his words are heard in their larger context.
NYYfan24
05-26-05, 01:23 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2069075
Sources told the Boston Herald that Schilling was told he could need up to 12 weeks to recover from an ankle injury, meaning Boston could be without its ace until the All-Star Break in mid-July.
Hmmmmm....interesting!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2069075
Sources told the Boston Herald that Schilling was told he could need up to 12 weeks to recover from an ankle injury, meaning Boston could be without its ace until the All-Star Break in mid-July.
Hmmmmm....interesting!
The quote in the Herald was that he could be out from 2-12 weeks- talk about a doctor covering his a**.
CTSoxFan
05-26-05, 02:03 PM
The quote in the Herald was that he could be out from 2-12 weeks- talk about a doctor covering his a**.
Hee hee. That same doctor was probably quoted as saying that Schilling is likely to make a full comeback, with the possibility that he won't.
Archer1979
05-26-05, 02:03 PM
The quote in the Herald was that he could be out from 2-12 weeks- talk about a doctor covering his a**.
If you check out www.bostondirtdogs.com, you'll find that the players are not at all enthused by the quality of the medical care and advice that they are receiving.
Well at least if the new team doctor gets fired, he'll sure be able to get a job with the San Jose Sharks, they'll obviously hire anyone. Just ask Barry Bonds
If you check out www.bostondirtdogs.com, you'll find that the players are not at all enthused by the quality of the medical care and advice that they are receiving.
The pix of those 2 docs on the top look like a before and after from the hair club for men
If you check out www.bostondirtdogs.com, you'll find that the players are not at all enthused by the quality of the medical care and advice that they are receiving.
well their previous doctor was :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:
Archer1979
05-26-05, 02:18 PM
well their previous doctor was :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:
I know more old drunks than old doctors. ;)
I know more old drunks than old doctors. ;)
lol.
There's a valuable life lesson here, my friends.
:D
rkh5donkey
05-27-05, 11:27 AM
This isn't really news, but I just saw an update:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-redsox-schilling&prov=ap&type=lgns
TORONTO (AP) -- Curt Schilling's return from an injury to his surgically repaired right ankle could take up to three months.
Boston Red Sox manager Terry Francona said Thursday he doesn't know when his ace will return from the disabled list, but acknowledged he heard a month ago it could be as little as two weeks or as long as three months.
"I think that was based on the doctor trying to tell Schilling that this is best case, worst case,'' Francona said before the Red Sox lost 8-1 to the Toronto Blue Jays.
Schilling's protective boot was removed from the right ankle last Friday, and Boston's team doctor didn't put a timetable on when Schilling might pitch again.
In three starts this season, Schilling is 1-2 with an 8.15 ERA. He's been on the disabled list since April 29.
Dooley Womack
05-27-05, 02:39 PM
This isn't really news, but I just saw an update:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-redsox-schilling&prov=ap&type=lgns
TORONTO (AP) -- Curt Schilling's return from an injury to his surgically repaired right ankle could take up to three months.
Boston Red Sox manager Terry Francona said Thursday he doesn't know when his ace will return from the disabled list, but acknowledged he heard a month ago it could be as little as two weeks or as long as three months.
"I think that was based on the doctor trying to tell Schilling that this is best case, worst case,'' Francona said before the Red Sox lost 8-1 to the Toronto Blue Jays.
Schilling's protective boot was removed from the right ankle last Friday, and Boston's team doctor didn't put a timetable on when Schilling might pitch again.
In three starts this season, Schilling is 1-2 with an 8.15 ERA. He's been on the disabled list since April 29.
Sounds like his recovery is a lot more complicated than he anticipated.
RhodyYanksFan
05-27-05, 02:43 PM
well their previous doctor was :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:
A drunk...in Boston?? :eek: get out of town!
As for Schilling, the longer he's out now, the fresher he'll be in September when the season is on the line, so the only way this is good news is if the Sox fall out of the AL east/wild card contention so his return won't matter.
A drunk...in Boston?? :eek: get out of town!
As for Schilling, the longer he's out now, the fresher he'll be in September when the season is on the line, so the only way this is good news is if the Sox fall out of the AL east/wild card contention so his return won't matter.
That's assuming that he's going to come back and pitch comparably to the way he did last year
That's no sure thing
MiamiKat
05-27-05, 02:49 PM
A drunk...in Boston?? :eek: get out of town!
As for Schilling, the longer he's out now, the fresher he'll be in September when the season is on the line, so the only way this is good news is if the Sox fall out of the AL east/wild card contention so his return won't matter.The "wild card" (so to speak) here is whether he'll ever get back to 100% if he does come back this year.
85% of Schilling is still pretty good. 75%, well...
(EDIT: Beaten to the punch once again! :lol: )
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