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Soriambi
04-04-05, 02:57 PM
We have these in the other league, so I figured I'd start one here. Basically, this is to post any information and trash-talking about Week One you see fit. :D
I'll start:
UNDERRATE THIS:
FormerlyKnownAsMHHL
04-04-05, 03:08 PM
If Young keeps up that pace he'll have 486 at the end of the year. That's not too bad.
Snatch Catch
04-04-05, 03:09 PM
We have these in the other league, so I figured I'd start one here. Basically, this is to post any information and trash-talking about Week One you see fit. :D
I'll start:
UNDERRATE THIS:
All in support of my young stud. :D
boo_427
04-04-05, 03:14 PM
So, who Started the Fat man yesterday? Not sure if you era will recover by the AllStar break.
yanksphan
04-04-05, 04:01 PM
Adam Dunn today:
2-4, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 2 R
best part?
$23 :)
Snatch Catch
04-04-05, 04:34 PM
Orlando Hudson: 2 Run Dinger!
Holliday: 2 for 2
Snatch Catch
04-04-05, 04:54 PM
Orlando Hudson: 2 Run Dinger!
Holliday: 2 for 2
>ahem!< 3 for 3...
yanksphan
04-04-05, 05:04 PM
Javy Vazquez
1.2IP :eek:
10 H :eek::eek:
7 ER :eek::eek::eek:
37.80 ERA :eek::eek::eek::eek:
Glad he got those mechanics worked out!
EDITED...uh yeah. :D
Snatch Catch
04-04-05, 05:09 PM
Javy Lopez
1.2IP :eek:
10 H :eek::eek:
7 ER :eek::eek::eek:
37.80 ERA :eek::eek::eek::eek:
Glad he got those mechanics worked out!
Was he catching himself?
That would be SWEET.
yanksphan
04-04-05, 05:12 PM
Was he catching himself?
That would be SWEET.
Nice catch, snatch catch.
I'd trust Lopez over Vazquez at this point on the mound!!
NYDCYankee
04-04-05, 07:47 PM
I started wells....and I am telling you he is on a short leash
Soriambi
04-04-05, 08:47 PM
Adam Dunn today:
2-4, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 2 R
best part?
$23 :)
That's nice and all, but I forgot to post Young's line.
4-4, 3 HR, 5 RBI, 3 or 4 runs (don't know)
$5
yanksphan
04-04-05, 08:49 PM
That's nice and all, but I forgot to post Young's line.
4-4, 3 HR, 5 RBI, 3 or 4 runs (don't know)
$5
:eek:
Best $5 of the season right there. ;)
Soriambi
04-04-05, 09:43 PM
:eek:
Best $5 of the season right there. ;)
He's already earned his $5. ;) :lol:
NYDCYankee
04-04-05, 10:52 PM
My teams looks to be burning up the basepaths....
helton and r hernandez each nabbed a base
Hitman23
04-05-05, 07:47 AM
In place of the injured Kris Benson the Empire has signed Paul Byrd.
2 starters on the DL. Way to start the season! woo-hoo!
In place of the injured Kris Benson the Empire has signed Paul Byrd.
2 starters on the DL. Way to start the season! woo-hoo!
Don't feel so bad...The commish has Berkman, Bonds and Gagne on the DL. Not to mention he had to release Rick Ankiel too.
boo_427
04-05-05, 08:02 AM
Questions
1) Why are teams allowed to claim FA on the DL then add them on their roster and put them on the DL.
I don't think this is fair. Owners are allowed to add extra players without penalty of losing an active player, then the assign to the DL, so they can wait until they come off the DL and either activate them or release them. I think this is BS.
2) Where in the Constitution does it say I can't demote someone I drafted who was not on the active roster for opening day, but assigned to AAA? Very similar to the McPherson situation.
I read where it said ineligible players must be made public before the season starts, but hell haven't had home internet for 5 days and wasn't aware of this year.
Questions
1) Why are teams allowed to claim FA on the DL then add them on their roster and put them on the DL.
I don't think this is fair. Owners are allowed to add extra players without penalty of losing an active player, then the assign to the DL, so they can wait until they come off the DL and either activate them or release them. I think this is BS.
Yeah, this is a quirk in the Sportsline system. In Yahoo, you have to drop a player to add one if your roster is full -- even if he's on the DL. Sportsline allows you to have illegal rosters, so you can add players and immediately DL them.
Fair? Maybe not. But with no bench, you know the team will have to make a roster decision in the next couple of weeks when the player comes off the DL.
I still want to know where in the constitution it says we can't add minor leaguers to our Minors roster if someone is promoted, traded or released. (Because if it doesn't we should be allowed to...in the other league we always say, you can't make rules once the season starts that affects that season...)
Hitman23
04-05-05, 08:09 AM
If someone is going to drop an injured player, he is free for anyone to take and stick on the DL.
Besides, there's always someone on your team that you can drop and replace with a comparable player. So even if this hole would be plugged, there are ways around it. Take a look at the bottom of your roster, there's probably 20 guys in the FA pool as valuable as your worst guy.
2) Where in the Constitution does it say I can't demote someone I drafted who was not on the active roster for opening day, but assigned to AAA? Very similar to the McPherson situation.
13.9. Once a player is activated, waived or reserved from the minor league roster, he cannot be put back on the minor league roster. The only way a player can return to a minor league roster is if he is drafted in a subsequent season's minor league draft.
This is interpreted by the commish that even if someone is on your active roster in ST, he cannot be put on your minor league roster if that player is demoted prior to Opening Day.
Many of us feel that ST rosters shouldn't count, but in this case, for this season, the commish is our USSC and interprets the rules...
Hitman23
04-05-05, 08:13 AM
If I have to keep Navarro active in my lineup everyone else has to deal with someone they are waiting for. :P
boo_427
04-05-05, 08:23 AM
My issue is that I drafted a minor leaguer. Now, Snatch says that I can't demote him to the minors and pick up an active major leaguer.
I don't think this is fair that I have to drop Edwin Jackson even though no one else can claim him, because he was demoted. I think we should be allowed to send a player drafted in the auction that didn't make the opening day roster.
From the "Constitution"
12.1. A team may replace any player on its 23-man roster who has been placed on the Disabled List, sent down to the Minor Leagues, been designated for assignment, or been released by his major league team.
13.9. Once a player is activated, waived or reserved from the minor league roster, he cannot be put back on the minor league roster. The only way a player can return to a minor league roster is if he is drafted in a subsequent season's minor league draft.
Very contradicting!!!
boo_427
04-05-05, 08:24 AM
Many of us feel that ST rosters shouldn't count, but in this case, for this season, the commish is our USSC and interprets the rules...
I agree, I think we should get a consensus, because that is complete BS.
There is some contradiction and one person should not be interpreting rules on a league in its infancy!
My issue is that I drafted a minor leaguer. Now, Snatch says that I can't demote him to the minors and pick up an active major leaguer.
I don't think this is fair that I have to drop Edwin Jackson even though no one else can claim him, because he was demoted. I think we should be allowed to send a player drafted in the auction that didn't make the opening day roster.
From the "Constitution"
12.1. A team may replace any player on its 23-man roster who has been placed on the Disabled List, sent down to the Minor Leagues, been designated for assignment, or been released by his major league team.
13.9. Once a player is activated, waived or reserved from the minor league roster, he cannot be put back on the minor league roster. The only way a player can return to a minor league roster is if he is drafted in a subsequent season's minor league draft.
Very contradicting!!!
Well, that's not contradicting. It says you can REPLACE them. Doesn't say you can demote them...You can keep Jackson on your roster (active) or release him.
However, the constitution also mentioned a reserve list, which doesn't exist...
boo_427
04-05-05, 08:30 AM
Well, that's not contradicting. It says you can REPLACE them. Doesn't say you can demote them...You can keep Jackson on your roster (active) or release him.
However, the constitution also mentioned a reserve list, which doesn't exist...
Ammendment time?
Hitman23
04-05-05, 08:33 AM
Ammendment time?I don't think we can break down Mr Stalin.
Maybe it's something we can discuss in the off season?
boo_427
04-05-05, 08:38 AM
I don't think we can break down Mr Stalin.
Maybe it's something we can discuss in the off season?
Yes, but this something that is currently affecting two teams. There needs to be a league consensus on this.
Hitman23
04-05-05, 08:40 AM
Yes, but this something that is currently affecting two teams. There needs to be a league consensus on this.I'm affected too. But the rules were explained already. I wish what you want would come true, but we've done this at least twice already.
Yes, but this something that is currently affecting two teams. There needs to be a league consensus on this.
I'm in agreement that it should be changed. However, I don't think we should make changes during a current season. Any changes we make, should affect 2006 and beyond.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 08:46 AM
If you paid for someone in the auction, they can never again be part of your 4 minor league roster slots.
Edwin Jackson never made the team. Therefore, he cannot be "demoted". He was optioned to the minor leagues after spring training. Spring training is a neutral point. Edwin Jackson starts the year in AAA (I think); this is the point from which everything else is gauged.
If he gets called up, he is promoted. If he then gets sent back to the minors, he is demoted, but right now, he is in the minor leagues. He was not on the 25 man roster. He has not had major league standing this year, and thus could not have been "demoted". This makes him ineligible to be put on reserve.
....This makes him ineligible to be put on reserve.
Ugh...there's that word again. We don't have a reserve list! ;)
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 08:49 AM
I'm in agreement that it should be changed. However, I don't think we should make changes during a current season. Any changes we make, should affect 2006 and beyond.
There is no way you should be able to buy a guy who doesn't make the Major League 25 man, and then reserve him as soon as the season begins.
What is the point of a minor league draft if that is the case? I would just take guys like Delmon Young and Felix Hernandez at the end of the draft for $1 or $2 and reserve them for years.
It is basically like having a bench.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 08:50 AM
Ugh...there's that word again. We don't have a reserve list! ;)
We do! We just don't use the reserve function on Sportsline! :lol:
We do! We just don't use the reserve function on Sportsline! :lol:
No...we have minors. We have no way to protect players who are sent to the minors who are not minor league eligible, or who are suspended or released. That's not the same as a reserve list, as defined in the constitution.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 08:55 AM
No...we have minors. We have no way to protect players who are sent to the minors who are not minor league eligible, or who are suspended or released. That's not the same as a reserve list, as defined in the constitution.
Yes we do- I told you yesterday that I would just expand the "minors" capabilities to 5 if someone had someone who was released or demoted that they wanted to keep.
Suspended players NEVER were eligible for the reserve list.
ruthianblast
04-05-05, 08:59 AM
Yes we do- I told you yesterday that I would just expand the "minors" capabilities to 5 if someone had someone who was released or demoted that they wanted to keep.
Suspended players NEVER were eligible for the reserve list.
So for instance, BJ Upton got optioned to AAA, does that mean I can put him in a 5th minors category OR do I drop a minor leaguer and use that spot for him?
Yes we do- I told you yesterday that I would just expand the "minors" capabilities to 5 if someone had someone who was released or demoted that they wanted to keep.
Suspended players NEVER were eligible for the reserve list.
XII. THE RESERVE LIST
12.1. A team may replace any player on its 23-man roster who has been placed on the Disabled List, sent down to the Minor Leagues, been designated for assignment, or been released by his major league team.
So then McPherson et al should be allowed to be placed on a reserve list! Why not just activate RESERVE, to differentiate between people on reserve and in the minors?
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 09:03 AM
XII. THE RESERVE LIST
12.1. A team may replace any player on its 23-man roster who has been placed on the Disabled List, sent down to the Minor Leagues, been designated for assignment, or been released by his major league team.
So then McPherson et al should be allowed to be placed on a reserve list! Why not just activate RESERVE, to differentiate between people on reserve and in the minors?
The reason is that having the "reserve" function active on Sportsline leads to the ability to have illegal rosters by accident, yet still earn stats.
In another auction league that I run with the exact same rules, it happened more than once last year.
The reason is that having the "reserve" function active on Sportsline leads to the ability to have illegal rosters by accident, yet still earn stats.
In another auction league that I run with the exact same rules, it happened more than once last year.
In the original league, anyone who you wanted to put on the DL before the season started had to be announced in a thread, with proof of the player's injury before they could be put on the DL.
You could run the Reserve list the same way here. Anyone who you want to put on Reserve has to be announced here and approved by the Commissioner. If you find anyone on Reserve who was not approved, you can use your commissioner powers to release them. I think we can trust people here to use the Honor System.
boo_427
04-05-05, 09:19 AM
The reason is that having the "reserve" function active on Sportsline leads to the ability to have illegal rosters by accident, yet still earn stats.
In another auction league that I run with the exact same rules, it happened more than once last year.
So your saying I can put Edwin on my reserve list?
Sorry to start the debate, I am a little short this morning. Still getting over the Illini losing last night.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 09:25 AM
In the original league, anyone who you wanted to put on the DL before the season started had to be announced in a thread, with proof of the player's injury before they could be put on the DL.
You could run the Reserve list the same way here. Anyone who you want to put on Reserve has to be announced here and approved by the Commissioner. If you find anyone on Reserve who was not approved, you can use your commissioner powers to release them. I think we can trust people here to use the Honor System.
I don't disagree with this, its just that most times it isn't about honor; its about making a simple mistake that wouldn't have been made if the system wouldn't let you. Thats my only concern...
I think you make valid points. Again, my concern isn't about the integrity of the members of this league- its about the unintentional errors that are bound to take place.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 09:27 AM
So your saying I can put Edwin on my reserve list?
Sorry to start the debate, I am a little short this morning. Still getting over the Illini losing last night.
No, Jackson has to either remain active or be released.
My apologies about the Illini. After Carolina got away with murder against Nova and cost me $400, I was rooting like hell for them to lose.
I don't disagree with this, its just that most times it isn't about honor; its about making a simple mistake that wouldn't have been made if the system wouldn't let you. Thats my only concern...
I think you make valid points. Again, my concern isn't about the integrity of the member of this league- its about the unintentional errors that are bound to take place.
But you can correct those as commissioner. Give the 'offender' 48 hours to fix the mistake, or you'll fix it for them as you see fit. I don't think it will be a problem if you stress that all Reserve moves have to be annouced and approved. And reserve players don't earn points, anyway, so it doesn't affect things in such a critical way.
yanksphan
04-05-05, 09:29 AM
I agree, I think we should get a consensus, because that is complete BS.
There is some contradiction and one person should not be interpreting rules on a league in its infancy!
Seems we have 2 issues right now, here are my thoughts:
1. Nevermind - addressed above. :)
I also think if some of my minor leaguers get promoted to the bigs, and I either promote or release them, I should be able to fill those empty minor league spots with minor league "free agents".
Seems we have 2 issues right now, here are my thoughts:
If I had drafted D.McPherson or E.Jackson, expecting them to contribute to my MAJOR league roster as most media reports indicated, then they did NOT make the squad - I would hope at the very least, I could kick someone off my minor league roster and put them there.
Well, I can see the point about not putting them in the minors, since you used part of your $260 on them...BUT, this is where I think the "Reserve" list should come into play.
I also think if some of my minor leaguers get promoted to the bigs, and I either promote or release them, I should be able to fill those empty minor league spots with minor league "free agents".
Agreed, and since this is NOT in the constitution, I am still waiting for an answer on how this can be prohibited.
No, Jackson has to either remain active or be released.
Why? Your constitutional definiton of the reserve list seems to apply directly to Jackson and McPherson.
XII. THE RESERVE LIST
12.1. A team may replace any player on its 23-man roster who has been placed on the Disabled List, sent down to the Minor Leagues, been designated for assignment, or been released by his major league team.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 09:40 AM
But you can correct those as commissioner. Give the 'offender' 48 hours to fix the mistake, or you'll fix it for them as you see fit. I don't think it will be a problem if you stress that all Reserve moves have to be annouced and approved. And reserve players don't earn points, anyway, so it doesn't affect things in such a critical way.
Reserve players do not earn points, but any roster error nullifies any point THE ENTIRE ROSTER collects as long as the error is present.
If there is an error, I would then have to go back and strike all of the statistics earned for the players on the team's roster (i.e. a LOT of work) while the error was present.
Not having the reserve function makes this chance impossible.
I will open it up though to accomadate those that want to have the option. Keep in mind that the only players that can be put on reserve are demoted major leaguers or players that are released. It will be a rarity (if ever) that someone who is worth a fantasy league roster spot would be released or demoted.
Demoted is more likely, but in that case I can just expand the minor league options.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 09:43 AM
Why? Your constitutional definiton of the reserve list seems to apply directly to Jackson and McPherson.
This says that Jackson and McPhereson cannot be put on reserve:
15.1. The decision of the Commissioner supersedes the rules herein and is final in any disputes. He also has the power to change a rule with an unforeseen loophole post de facto (After the fact) for the benefit of the league. The overall good of the league as a whole will be greater then the benefit to any sum of its constituents.
yanksphan
04-05-05, 09:45 AM
This says that Jackson and McPhereson cannot be put on reserve:
Oh damn, he played the 15.1 on us! :lol:
I was wondering the first time we might see that one. :D
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 09:47 AM
Oh damn, he played the 15.1 on us! :lol:
I was wondering the first time we might see that one. :D
Its probably one of the only times you'll ever see it, too.
E was waiting for it...I just know it!
I will open it up though to accomadate those that want to have the option. Keep in mind that the only players that can be put on reserve are demoted major leaguers or players that are released. It will be a rarity (if ever) that someone who is worth a fantasy league roster spot would be released or demoted.
Demoted is more likely, but in that case I can just expand the minor league options.
I'm glad you're opening reserve. It will help. (And I assume McPherson et al meet the reserve requirements? At least they sound like they do according to the constitution...)
You should start a "RESERVE" thread and have Kevin "sticky" it. Explain the requirements to be put on reserve (esp if you want to approve all reserve moves) so people know what they are.
Hitman23
04-05-05, 09:48 AM
Oh damn, he played the 15.1 on us! :lol:
I was wondering the first time we might see that one. :Dthe right of the commish.
Guys, why don't we just play with the rules we have for this year and see what happenes. We all know our likes and dislikes of the league. We'll have plenty of off season time to work kinks out.
This says that Jackson and McPhereson cannot be put on reserve:
15.1. The decision of the Commissioner supersedes the rules herein and is final in any disputes. He also has the power to change a rule with an unforeseen loophole post de facto (After the fact) for the benefit of the league. The overall good of the league as a whole will be greater then the benefit to any sum of its constituents.
Sorry, but I disagree ;)
I don't think it's an unforseen loophole, since it's specifically written into the constitution who can be put on reserve. By that definition, McPherson et al qualify. Otherwise, who WOULD qualify for reserve based on a demotion????
Also a few of us are still wondering why you say we can't add people to our minor league roster if they're promoted, traded to another league team or released? Again, not prohibited in the constitution...
(Yes, I can be a strict constitutionalist. :))
yanksphan
04-05-05, 09:54 AM
Aside from the rules talk -
I have never had a problem putting a Red Sox starter on my fantasy teams, but today poses a first and an interesting situation for me. I have Clement going today against our beloved stripes. It's going to be tough watching ARod strike out, but then letting out a silent cheer....
Mid summer, you can always say - we lost to Schilling, but at least I got some fantasy points...just seems too early in the season to root for individual Red Sox for the benefit of my fantasy team. :D
Hitman23
04-05-05, 09:57 AM
Aside from the rules talk -
I have never had a problem putting a Red Sox starter on my fantasy teams, but today poses a first and an interesting situation for me. I have Clement going today against our beloved stripes. It's going to be tough watching ARod strike out, but then letting out a silent cheer....
Mid summer, you can always say - we lost to Schilling, but at least I got some fantasy points...just seems too early in the season to root for individual Red Sox for the benefit of my fantasy team. :DI have this problem too. It's what happens when you run 4 franchises. I have Clement going in one league, Ortiz playing in this league.
I'm hoping for a 1-0 victory by the Yanks where Clement gives way in the 9th and the game is blown. Ortiz will go 4-4 with 4 triples. The triples will make up for the lack of RBI I suppose. :lol:
boo_427
04-05-05, 09:58 AM
Sorry, but I disagree ;)
I don't think it's an unforseen loophole, since it's specifically written into the constitution who can be put on reserve. By that definition, McPherson et al qualify. Otherwise, who WOULD qualify for reserve based on a demotion????
Since commish is evoking his powers...
Are McPherson and Jackson eligible for the reserve list? Both were 40 man rosters, and then demoted after the 25 man became complete. At the time of our draft Jackson was supposed to be on the 25 man. My point is if I knew he wasn't going to be on the roster, I would have used those 2 dollars for Derek Lowe.
Just want my roster to be correct so no one can point fingers. ;)
Soriambi
04-05-05, 10:00 AM
Since commish is evoking his powers...
Are McPherson and Jackson eligible for the reserve list? Both were 40 man rosters, and then demoted after the 25 man became complete. At the time of our draft Jackson was supposed to be on the 25 man. My point is if I knew he wasn't going to be on the roster, I would have used those 2 dollars for Derek Lowe.
Just want my roster to correct so no one can point fingers. ;)
No-if a guy is demoted before the season begins, he was never on the MLB roster, and therefore he can't be reserved unless he is called up and then sent back down. I'm not a huge fan of the decision, but I'm not going to argue too much about it. :)(I've already talked with Kev about this. ;))
boo_427
04-05-05, 10:03 AM
No-if a guy is demoted before the season begins, he was never on the MLB roster, and therefore he can't be reserved unless he is called up and then sent back down. (I've already talked with Kev about this. ;))
Fine by me, just want to play by the rules.
For clarification...
I am going to drop Jackson and add my minor leaguer back (Chris Nelson). Plus, from reading the constituion no one can add him until he is called up.
Now, what about this adding players on the DL then assigning them to the DL on your roster? This needs to be addressed. I don't think it should be a free for all.
No-if a guy is demoted before the season begins, he was never on the MLB roster, and therefore he can't be reserved unless he is called up and then sent back down. (I've already talked with Kev about this. ;))
That's not what the rule says though....
XII. THE RESERVE LIST
12.1. A team may replace any player on its 23-man roster who has been placed on the Disabled List, sent down to the Minor Leagues, been designated for assignment, or been released by his major league team.
While they can't be put in the minors, since they were on the active list pre-season, they should be able to be put on the reserve list.
boo_427
04-05-05, 10:05 AM
That's not what the rule says though....
XII. THE RESERVE LIST
12.1. A team may replace any player on its 23-man roster who has been placed on the Disabled List, sent down to the Minor Leagues, been designated for assignment, or been released by his major league team.
While they can't be put in the minors, since they were on the active list pre-season, they should be able to be put on the reserve list.
That is how I was interpreting it too. I feel this is the correct assessment based on the wording. And the reason I brought up the issue.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 10:05 AM
Sorry, but I disagree ;)
I don't think it's an unforseen loophole, since it's specifically written into the constitution who can be put on reserve. By that definition, McPherson et al qualify. Otherwise, who WOULD qualify for reserve based on a demotion????
Anyone who has been on the 25 man roster in the current season that is sent down to the minors. If Atkins falters when he starts playing, or Kazmir gets rocked, or Jeremy Reed goes 0-40, or Sizemore strikes out 100 times in 120 ABs, or Mauer is unproductive, or Wright doesn't hit, and they get sent down, or LaRoche stumbles out of the gate, they can be reserved.
Now, what about this adding players on the DL then assigning them to the DL on your roster? This needs to be addressed. I don't think it should be a free for all.
Actually, it is addressed in the constitution.
XI. FREE-AGENT ELIGIBILITY
11.1. Any player who is on an active major league roster, not owned by another rotisserie team, and not currently on the waiver list may be acquired as a free agent. Minor league players, players on the disabled list, and players not on a major league roster are not eligible to be acquired as a free agent.
boo_427
04-05-05, 10:08 AM
Actually, it is addressed in the constitution.
XI. FREE-AGENT ELIGIBILITY
11.1. Any player who is on an active major league roster, not owned by another rotisserie team, and not currently on the waiver list may be acquired as a free agent. Minor league players, players on the disabled list, and players not on a major league roster are not eligible to be acquired as a free agent.
So Frank Thomas, Baldelli, etc... need to be released?
Anyone who has been on the 25 man roster in the current season that is sent down to the minors. If Atkins falters when he starts playing, or Kazmir gets rocked, or Jeremy Reed goes 0-40, or Sizemore strikes out 100 times in 120 ABs, or Mauer is unproductive, or Wright doesn't hit, and they get sent down, or LaRoche stumbles out of the gate, they can be reserved.
But someone like McPherson, who was demoted to give him time to recover from an injury, for example, is in limbo then??? He's not on the DL, but not eligible for the minors. Seems the reserve list is the perfect place for him. Why if he gets called up again, then demoted, is he eligible for the reserve, but not if he's demoted right before Opening Day?
So Frank Thomas, Baldelli, etc... need to be released?
I'd say yes, if they were added after the free-for-all and not bought at auction.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 10:09 AM
Actually, it is addressed in the constitution.
XI. FREE-AGENT ELIGIBILITY
11.1. Any player who is on an active major league roster, not owned by another rotisserie team, and not currently on the waiver list may be acquired as a free agent. Minor league players, players on the disabled list, and players not on a major league roster are not eligible to be acquired as a free agent.
Interesting. I didn't see that; good point.
Is Rocco the only guy that was picked up straight to the DL?
Interesting. I didn't see that; good point.
Is Rocco the only guy that was picked up straight to the DL?
boo_427 mentioned Frank Thomas, but I haven't checked.
Interesting. I didn't see that;
Really? After reading that, I thought that was your reasoning as to why we couldn't add to our minor league roster....
Anything else in the constitution you haven't read? ;)
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 10:16 AM
But someone like McPherson, who was demoted to give him time to recover from an injury, for example, is in limbo then??? He's not on the DL, but not eligible for the minors. Seems the reserve list is the perfect place for him. Why if he gets called up again, then demoted, is he eligible for the reserve, but not if he's demoted right before Opening Day?
McPhereson is not not on the Major League roster because he is injured. If this was the case, they would have just DL'd him. He played at the end of spring training, and is down on the farm to work things out by getting consistent ABs.
McPherson is in the Minors because he was not ready to play Major League baseball.
McPhereson is not not on the Major League roster because he is injured. If this was the case, they would have just DL'd him. He played at the end of spring training, and is down on the farm to work things out by getting consistent ABs.
McPherson is in the Minors because he was not ready to play Major League baseball.
Dallas McPherson (back) was optioned to Triple-A Salt Lake on Wednesday. He will get regular at-bats to get back in game shape, with a possible mid-to-late April return. (Sportsline)
He wasn't DL'd so they could recall him if he's ready in less than 15 days. But he has minor league options, so they could demote him rather than having him rest on the major league roster.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 10:21 AM
Really? After reading that, I thought that was your reasoning as to why we couldn't add to our minor league roster....
Anything else in the constitution you haven't read? ;)
I read the only part that I needed to read in terms of dealing with you, sir! ;)
I still don't think we should be able to add another minor leaguer once one of ours gets called up (what order is it done in right now?) even though it would benefit me seeing as I have an open minor league slot.
Hitman23
04-05-05, 10:23 AM
Eric you suck.
Why would a player that's out there not be able to be aquired and put on the DL. Did the Yanks not do that with Leiber? I see nothing wrong with it at all. It happens in every single league.
I read the only part that I needed to read in terms of dealing with you, sir! ;)
I still don't think we should be able to add another minor leaguer once one of ours gets called up (what order is it done in right now?) even though it would benefit me seeing as I have an open minor league slot.
Everyone's a free-agent, basically. You could add anyone you saw fit. In the original league, you can add a minor-league FA at any point, as long as they qualify for the minor-leagues.
Eric you suck.
Why would a player that's out there not be able to be aquired and put on the DL. Did the Yanks not do that with Leiber? I see nothing wrong with it at all. It happens in every single league.
Ain't my constitution. I just read it since boo_427 questioned signing disabled Free Agents. Personally, I'm surprised Snatch Catch didn't know it was prohibited. ;)
(And I have no idea who signed who, or did what, cuz I haven't checked). Personally I don't have a problem with signing disabled players. But as long as we're being prohibited from doing things per the constitution, I wanted to see what it said. :goody:
No need to have a huge discussion on the issue, if it's already clarified (and clearly for a change) in the constitution...
boo_427
04-05-05, 10:27 AM
Snatch,
Thanks for the kind words on the Illini. The one team I hate more than any other are the Tar Babies. But, the better team last night won.
Sorry to open up this can of worms this morning, I needed it clarified, and I guess the rest of the league did too.
Before I submit my transaction, neither Jackson or McPherson are eligible for the reserve list?
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 10:29 AM
Eric you suck.
Why would a player that's out there not be able to be aquired and put on the DL. Did the Yanks not do that with Leiber? I see nothing wrong with it at all. It happens in every single league.
I don't see a problem with it simply because we do not have a bench, thus anyone on the DL would have to be activated when they are healthy or simply released- its really not like you're truly allowed to wait around for someone to get back up to speed and not be penalized for it.
Either way, I'm open to a change if it makes sense...
boo_427
04-05-05, 10:30 AM
Eric you suck.
Why would a player that's out there not be able to be aquired and put on the DL. Did the Yanks not do that with Leiber? I see nothing wrong with it at all. It happens in every single league.
In your analogy, what is the difference between you signing a player on the DL from the FA pool, then demoting him to the DL on your roster. A spot that he occupies until he is activated.
Or drafting a player on the 40 during ST, who doesn't make the 25 man roster, then assigning him to the minors?
Hitman23
04-05-05, 10:30 AM
I don't see a problem with it simply because we do not have a bench, thus anyone on the DL would have to be activated when they are healthy or simply released- its really not like you're truly allowed to wait around for someone to get back up to speed and not be penalized for it.
Either way, I'm open to a change if it makes sense...exactly. I'm not gaining anything with Thomas on my DL. He was out there and I'm willing to waste a DL spot for him until he gets healthy. Don't get what the difference is if I drafted him or not.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 10:30 AM
Snatch,
Thanks for the kind words on the Illini. The one team I hate more than any other are the Tar Babies. But, the better team last night won.
Sorry to open up this can of worms this morning, I needed it clarified, and I guess the rest of the league did too.
Before I submit my transaction, neither Jackson or McPherson are eligible for the reserve list?
Correct.
And you are also correct in that no one else can pick him up until he gets called up.
Oh, and its not a problem at all- I'm actually trying to kill some time before I go to the Stadium!
I don't see a problem with it simply because we do not have a bench, thus anyone on the DL would have to be activated when they are healthy or simply released- its really not like you're truly allowed to wait around for someone to get back up to speed and not be penalized for it.
Either way, I'm open to a change if it makes sense...
I think it should be allowed. You can't hoarde players, since like you said, there's no bench, and they you have to make a roster decision once they come off the DL.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 10:35 AM
Or drafting a player on the 40 during ST, who doesn't make the 25 man roster, then assigning him to the minors?
VERY valid point, Robby.
boo_427
04-05-05, 10:36 AM
VERY valid point, Robby.
I guess this what I have trying to get at since I got your PM. What is everyone's thoughts on this?
Lucky, SOB yell at Mariano for me!
VERY valid point, Robby.
So are you starting to waiver on letting people (with minors eligibility) who don't make the 25-man roster out of ST to be demoted or reserved???
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 10:38 AM
This brings up the debate- is there an inherent difference between a Minor Leaguer and a Major Leaguer on the DL?
If not, then the pickups should not be allowed...
Maybe you should only be allowed to DL a guy that was either
A) Purchased in the auction
or
B) Has been active on the 25 man roster AND been active on your fantasy roster at the same time.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 10:39 AM
So are you starting to waiver on letting people (with minors eligibility) who don't make the 25-man roster out of ST to be demoted or reserved???
NO! :lol:
The other way- we're debating whether or not the inability to add a DL'd player is merited.
Hitman23
04-05-05, 10:41 AM
This brings up the debate- is there an inherent difference between a Minor Leaguer and a Major Leaguer on the DL?yes there is. If a guy comes off the DL who knows what kind of risk you'd be taking by dumping one of your starters on the chance they will be back to form quick enough to have an impact? He could hurt your team by going ofer a month. a minor leaguer has been an active player up to that point.
For the record I am for both being okay, demoting players and DLing players. They aren't helping your team. i see no reason why someone who researches players and takes a chance shouldn't be rewarded if it works out.
yanksphan
04-05-05, 10:47 AM
i see no reason why someone who researches players and takes a chance shouldn't be rewarded if it works out.
They're just mad b/c they know the AL MVP will come down to a tight race between Thomas and Baldelli. :lol:
Honestly, I just thought it was a benefit of Sportsline that we were able to make such a move without dropping a player first. Like people have mentioned, once Baldelli is off the DL (in June or something like that) I will have a choice to make. The benefit I have (or EE has) is I could potentially trade Baldelli to someone in need of, and willing to take a chance on him.
Hitman23
04-05-05, 10:50 AM
They're just mad b/c they know the AL MVP will come down to a tight race between Thomas and Baldelli. :lol:shhh... you'll blow up our spot! :lol:
Honestly, I just thought it was a benefit of Sportsline that we were able to make such a move without dropping a player first. Like people have mentioned, once Baldelli is off the DL (in June or something like that) I will have a choice to make. The benefit I have (or EE has) is I could potentially trade Baldelli to someone in need of, and willing to take a chance on him.You can get around that by dropping a player, picking up the one you want, putting him on the DL, then picking up another comparable player to the one you dropped.
Snatch Catch
04-05-05, 10:52 AM
Honestly, I just thought it was a benefit of Sportsline that we were able to make such a move without dropping a player first. Like people have mentioned, once Baldelli is off the DL (in June or something like that) I will have a choice to make. The benefit I have (or EE has) is I could potentially trade Baldelli to someone in need of, and willing to take a chance on him.
Ah, so there is a potential benefit...it may be small, but it is there.
Keep debating, guys- I'm about to leave for the Stadium- I'll catch up when I get back...
boo_427
04-05-05, 10:57 AM
NO! :lol:
The other way- we're debating whether or not the inability to add a DL'd player is merited.
So this answer my question on Jackson?
Maybe you should only be allowed to DL a guy that was either
A) Purchased in the auction
or
B) Has been active on the 25 man roster AND been active on your fantasy roster at the same time.
I am for this, but I think it should be added that anyone on the 40 man who is drafted, who doesn't make the 25 man, should be allowed to be demoted or reserved.
Am I being to biased because I personally affected?
yanksphan
04-05-05, 11:14 AM
And I was worried that D'Angelo Jimenez would be cutting into Freel's playing time...:uhh:
SFGate.com reports Ryan Freel was charged with drunken driving hours after Monday's game against the Mets. Police arrested Freel on Monday night in this northern Kentucky community, across the Ohio River from Cincinnati. He was charged with drunken driving, careless driving and having an open container in a motor vehicle.
Freel is scheduled for arraignment Wednesday morning. Reds spokesman Rob Butcher said the team had no comment on Freel's arrest. It's conceivable that this brush with the law could affect his playing time with the club.
Looks like I made the right decision regardless!
So this answer my question on Jackson?
I am for this, but I think it should be added that anyone on the 40 man who is drafted, who doesn't make the 25 man, should be allowed to be demoted or reserved.
Am I being to biased because I personally affected?
No, I agree with you...
Hitman23
04-05-05, 11:52 AM
Ah, so there is a potential benefit...it may be small, but it is there. Not really. I was making roster moves anyway. i just could have dropped the guy i wanted to, picked up Thomas, stuck him on the DL then picked up another player to be active.
makes no difference really.
What does the constitution state about amateur players? There is this 7th grader that I have been watching and the 5 tools are there. This is a keeper league right?
yanksphan
04-05-05, 12:23 PM
It's going to be tough watching ARod strike out, but then letting out a silent cheer....
ugh...did I call that? sorry...I guess...:dunno:
Hitman23
04-05-05, 12:27 PM
ugh...did I call that? sorry...I guess...:dunno:I'm really upset at myself for my feelings on Clement now. I'm such a terrible fan. :(
The dangers of playing mixed-league fantasy baseball...
yanksphan
04-05-05, 01:53 PM
I'm really upset at myself for my feelings on Clement now. I'm such a terrible fan. :(
F*cking Clement..
4.1 INN, 5 HA, 3 BBI, 4 K, 2 ER, 4.154 ERA, 1.846 WHIP
boo_427
04-05-05, 01:56 PM
F*cking Clement..
4.1 INN, 5 HA, 3 BBI, 4 K, 2 ER, 4.154 ERA, 1.846 WHIP
Couldn't have happened against a better team! :D
Hitman23
04-05-05, 01:58 PM
F*cking Clement..
4.1 INN, 5 HA, 3 BBI, 4 K, 2 ER, 4.154 ERA, 1.846 WHIPI suppose I should be happy. With the way Oliver Perez pitched yesterday my ERA and WHIP are shot to sh*t anyway.
Back to the reserve list issue....
If you don't want to have an active list on Sportsline, for fear of roster problems...why not have a virtual list here? Open a reserve list thread, where people can post their reserved player list...they would still "drop" the player, but announce in the forum that the player is being reserved, and why.
Then if someone from their list gets called up, and another team goes to claim them, you can point to the thread here and say, "Sorry, they're on so-and-so's Reserve List."
Hey folks, I've been traveling a lot lately so I have not been devoting the necessary time to my team. I made the necessary changes so my points would start counting and I will do some tweaking to make sure my team is maximizing its potential. Good luck to all.
yanksphan
04-10-05, 09:58 AM
Bitches Brew would like to announce the official call-up of
Brad Hawpe, OF
Craig Monroe, I hope you enjoyed your stay.
Bitches Brew would also like to announce the official call-up of
Huston Street, P
in replacement of the injured Kelvim Escobar *cough*buy some time*cough*
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