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MoRivera71
05-01-01, 07:06 AM
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SPORTSTICKER'S INTERNATIONAL LEAGUE LEADERS
THROUGH MONDAY, APRIL 30
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BATTING
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(MINIMUM 62 PLATE APPEARANCES)
PLAYER,TEAM AVG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI
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Deion Sanders, LOU .459 74 12 34 4 5 1 9
Randall Simon, TOL .382 68 15 26 5 0 7 14
Vernon Wells, SYR .362 58 9 21 6 1 2 8
Liu Rodriguez, CHA .361 72 14 26 8 0 0 8
Mike Frank, COL .345 58 5 20 4 1 2 8
Brian Lesher, IND .344 90 16 31 7 0 4 19
Ron Wright, DUR .339 59 7 20 4 0 4 15
Robert Perez, COL .330 100 15 33 7 2 6 21
Eric Valent, SWB .330 91 14 30 10 0 3 14
Calvin Pickering, ROC .329 76 12 25 4 0 3 18
Wilton Guerrero, LOU .328 58 6 19 5 1 0 12
Paul Ottavinia, COL .328 61 11 20 7 1 0 2
Toby Hall, DUR .326 89 13 29 7 0 4 19
Chris Latham, SYR .320 75 15 24 5 2 4 15
Johnny Estrada, SWB .319 91 10 29 9 0 0 14
Dave Hollins, BUF .318 66 16 21 5 0 5 12
Howard Battle, RIC .310 71 7 22 4 0 2 12
Mike Coolbaugh, IND .310 100 23 31 10 1 5 19
Aaron Holbert, SYR .308 65 11 20 4 2 0 5
Israel Alcantara, PAW .307 88 15 27 9 1 5 10
Luis Lopez, SYR .307 75 11 23 5 1 4 20
Nick Johnson, COL .307 75 15 23 4 0 5 12
.307 5 HR 12 RBI Not bad so far.
considering he missed an entire year, it's amazing
Even more impressive is his OPS. He is slugging .560 and his On Base percentage is .454. . . an OPS of 1.014.
There in lies the mystery.
With an OPS. of 1.014, in AAA, if Nick were brought up today the Yankees would be in 1st place by the end of May, by 12 games!
What is Yankee managemet thinking?
How could they have won 4 out of 5 World Championships with Tino at 1st base?
Obviously, the only way they will win another is with Nick Johnson playing 1st base. If his fielding isn't as good as Tino's he can be the new full-time DH.
Another great idea! Another problem sloved. DH production. Nick can kill either bird with his AAA OPS. :P :P :P
Up-State
05-01-01, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by mr.roy
Another great idea! Another problem sloved. DH production. Nick can kill either bird with his AAA OPS.
Umm, Your Joking right? How exactly could we be up by 12 games at the end of may? How is Johnson going to be a savior, if this team dosn't need to be saved? Have you taken a look at any of the games the Yankees have played in the last 5 years, or do you just sit by your computer looking at the stats? It's obvious Tino's not going anywhere this season, so quit the Tino bashing.
Mr. Mxylsplk
05-01-01, 10:17 AM
I know Mr. Roy's not anxious to have me put words in his mouth, but I feel pretty safe saying he was being sarcastic.
Up-State
05-01-01, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by Mr. Mxylsplk
I know Mr. Roy's not anxious to have me put words in his mouth, but I feel pretty safe saying he was being sarcastic.
I hope so! :NY:
staticm
05-01-01, 10:28 AM
its a fairly safe bet you're going to be watching johnson at first base next year, so what's the harm in tracking his progress?
Mr. Mxylsplk,
Why not put words in Mr. Roy's mouth, he put them in mine and the other posters here. Did anyone who read my post see or read me say that Tino should be replaced? Did anyone who read or saw the title of this topic read it to say that Tino should be replaced??
This topic was purely about Nick Johnson's stats. Have some become so paranoid that they see an attack everywhere and in every post?? Every year I read on the forums updates about minor league players whether it be El Duquecito, or Keisler or Soriano or Jeter. This post was no different.
I think it is great that Nick Johson is putting up these numbers. That is all I said.
I beleive that the fans and the Yankees brass want the same thing,which is ;at the appropiate time, both Tino and Nick are batting and playing at their best,right? Then Tino will be traded for a high yield and Nick will move into 1st base very smoothly.
KENMonteSS86
05-01-01, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by mr.roy
There in lies the mystery.
With an OPS. of 1.014, in AAA, if Nick were brought up today the Yankees would be in 1st place by the end of May, by 12 games!
What is Yankee managemet thinking?
How could they have won 4 out of 5 World Championships with Tino at 1st base?
Obviously, the only way they will win another is with Nick Johnson playing 1st base. If his fielding isn't as good as Tino's he can be the new full-time DH.
Another great idea! Another problem sloved. DH production. Nick can kill either bird with his AAA OPS. :P :P :P
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
(I couldn't say it any better than the above!!!)
Kenmonte,
To reiterate, nobody said anything in this topic about replacing Tino. Some seem determined to drag any post into the current civil war raging on this board, the Tino Stays v. the Tino Goes.
I want no part of this dumb civil war. I want Tino to do well this year. I want him to do so well the Yankees sign him up again next year. Why do I want this: because it helps the team to win. I also like following the minor leaguers in the Yankee's system. Some have accussed those of us who post ideas vis a vis Tino and Johnson of being "Tino Haters." Well, by the same token, couldn't you say that people who take shots at Johnson are all "Nick Haters?"
The bottom line about Johnson is this: he is doing well in AAA. I think that is great for the Yankee organization. To have any player, at any level who is posting a 1.014 OPS is something else. If Johnson does come up, it will be if the Yankee organization decides to bring him up. I take it by your agreement with Mr. Roy's post that you will accept that decision and fully support it. After all, that decision will come from the organization that has won 4 out of the last 5. Lets say the above post is correct and Johnson can't play defense, which by the way he can, and he is put into the DH role. Does that mean that if he is successful in that role you won't support that decision??
KENMonteSS86
05-01-01, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by jpao89
I take it by your agreement with Mr. Roy's post that you will accept that decision and fully support it.
I think by the sarcastic smilies, he was being sarcastic!!
I found that funny!!!
If you thought he was being serious....
Yes, his post was sarcastic, but did make a point. All of us who were posting Nick Johnson's stats somehow think we are smarter than the Yankees braintrust, the same braintrust that is responsible for winning 4 of the last 5. When I said you agreed with Mr. Roy's post, I meant you agreed with the underlying point, not the overt, sarcastic comment.
KENMonteSS86
05-01-01, 04:57 PM
Let's just say I won't suddenly badmouth or abandon the Yankees (whom I have loved through thick and thin for the past 25 seasons).
Unless Tino goes into a massive slump and regains his 2000 form :scared: , I think bringing Johnson up is a mistake, for he won't put up better numbers than Tino (especially if he maintains his current stats over the full year). It's as simple as that, especially because we got Tino to hit 30 HRs and drive in 100-110 RBIs, not 40-45 and 130+.
As for DH, again, only if Justice continues to slump and appears his stats (at that time), projected over a full season, will fall way short of his historical averages, do I think the Yanks should consider bringing Johnson up to perhaps DH. And that is only if Johnson continues his torrid pace.
I truly believe Nick needs time in the minors, continue to develop and prove he can remain healthy (after all, he's never shown he can). Until then...
KayForPresident
05-02-01, 08:28 AM
I wouldn't bring him up just to DH. If he comes up, it should be to play 1B.
madforyanks
05-02-01, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by M&M61
I beleive that the fans and the Yankees brass want the same thing,which is ;at the appropiate time, both Tino and Nick are batting and playing at their best,right? Then Tino will be traded for a high yield and Nick will move into 1st base very smoothly.
I want them both to play well. However, I don't know that I want Tino to be traded or (more realistic, since this is his walk year) leave. Please don't put words in my mouth! Maybe Tino should stay and Nick should be traded (or kept in Columbus, since he will have options left). That remains to be seen.
:p
Elfdood
05-02-01, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by madforyanks
I want them both to play well. However, I don't know that I want Tino to be traded or (more realistic, since this is his walk year) leave. Please don't put words in my mouth! Maybe Tino should stay and Nick should be traded (or kept in Columbus, since he will have options left).Eww, I don't have to put any words in your mouth if you say something like that. ;) If Nick Johnson has a full season OPS of .950+ in the minors, it would be absolutely crazy to trade him for anybody except an All-Star under the age of 25. And keeping a player who's obviously ready to produce in the major leagues (as a three full season .950 OPSes would suggest) in the minors would be criminal - to the fans, the team and the player. If you can get a Nick Johnson for Vladimir Guerrero deal on the table, great job, but otherwise, <b>I want him at first base</b> in 2002.
KENMonteSS86
05-02-01, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Elfdood
If Nick Johnson has a full season OPS of .950+ in the minors,
That's a BIG IF!!!!
[i}Originally posted by Elfdood [/i]
And keeping a player who's obviously ready to produce in the major leagues (as a three full season .950 OPSes would suggest) in the minors would be criminal - to the fans, the team and the player.
I'm assuming your first "big if" is the 3rd year
Originally posted by Elfdood
<b>I want him at first base</b> in 2002.
Without EVER seeing a single pitch in the majors--I don't think that's the right move at all.
If Tino has a good year (and I'll use OPS, of say, .830 to .850), you'd give that up in a heartbeat for someone, who sofar, hasn't proved squat in AAA, spring training or the majors???
HOW MANY players were deemed "the next big thing" in the minors, only to be a bust in the bigs?? Answer--a heck of a lot more than those who lived up to expectations!!!
I'm saying, give it time, let him prove himself in all of the above that he HASN'T so far, and let him prove at THOSE levels that he's (a least likely to be) better than Tino...then we'll talk...
#1Coneyfan
05-02-01, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by Elfdood
If Nick Johnson has a full season OPS of .950+ in the minors
That wasn't even triple-A ball. This is Nick's first year in triple-A, and it's a big jump to the majors. As I said in another post I don't feel comfortable with a second baseman who will have had only one year of experience playing alongside a first baseman who is a rookie and a third baseman who is a rookie (assuming Bro is gone next year).
It's exciting to have these young kids as our future, but we have to bring them along slowly.
Originally posted by KENMonteSS86
Without EVER seeing a single pitch in the majors--I don't think that's the right move at all.
KENMonte, I seem to keep disagreeing with you, but that's not really a fair argument. At Triple-A, he's likely to see many major-league pitchers on rehab, guys who don't fit on the 25-man roster, or, even more likely, guys who will soon be promoted to the majors. Here's a great example: the White Sox have this phenom pitching prospect Jon Rauch in Triple-A, and he's likely to be called up at least by next year, if not sooner. Now, who do you think would do better against him, Nick Johnson, who's faced him before? Or a 10-year major-league veteran who's never seen him? Johnson did have a solid spring, if I remember, and plenty of scouts say he looks ready to hit major-league pitching right now.
Originally posted by #1Coneyfan
As I said in another post I don't feel comfortable with a second baseman who will have had only one year of experience playing alongside a first baseman who is a rookie and a third baseman who is a rookie
Well, again, this isn't entirely fair either. When Drew Henson gets back from his injury, he's likely to have a ton of playing time with Nick Johnson and D'Angelo Jiminez, and both of the guys have probably played with Alfonso Soriano sometime before. Just because some guys are "proven veterans" doesn't NECCESARILY mean they'll be better players compared to rookies. Look at the Diamondbacks now as a perfect example. They have Mark Grace, a "proven veteran" (and a great player, btw, I'm not taking any shots at Grace) at 1B, with Erubiel Durazo sitting on the bench, when Durazo (while young), obviously has a much higher upside than Gracie.
Elfdood
05-02-01, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by KENMonteSS86
That's a BIG IF!!!Is it? I think Johnson is just as likely to have an OPS over .950 in AAA as Tino is likely to have one over .830 in the majors, which you seem to think is almost a sure thing.
Originally posted by KENMonteSS86
If Tino has a good year (and I'll use OPS, of say, .830 to .850), you'd give that up in a heartbeat for someone, who sofar, hasn't proved squat in AAA, spring training or the majors???I WOULD give that up (along with about six million dollars of payroll). And Nick Johnson did have a great spring - he hit .318 with power and his world-famous plate discipline - and he's off to a great start in AAA. That's not "proving squat."
I can't emphasize it enough, but Nick Johnson is <b>not Ruben Rivera</b>. He's not even Alfonso Soriano. Those guys were (and still are, although there's still time in Soriano's case) all talent with little advanced knowledge of how to be a major leaguer hitter. Nick Johnson is the very picture of a professional hitter, not just a "tools guy" like Rivera.
madforyanks
05-03-01, 12:50 AM
However sure of yourself you are, it is extremely arrogant and bad-mannered to insist that everyone agrees with you. If you really are so sure you are right, why don't you assume that your statements carry the import without presuming to speak for everyone? Why don't you realize that you might even be more convincing if you weren't so presumptious?
:barf:
Elfdood
05-03-01, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by madforyanks
However sure of yourself you are, it is extremely arrogant and bad-mannered to insist that everyone agrees with you. If you really are so sure you are right, why don't you assume that your statements carry the import without presuming to speak for everyone? Why don't you realize that you might even be more convincing if you weren't so presumptious?That's fair enough. The little barfing guy was a nice touch, by the way. I realize that the opening line of my post was probably a bit mean, but the point was that I disagreed with what you actually had said, not what I thought you said. Saying "Eww" was probably a mistake, but, in my defense, I did have the little winky guy there. "Absolutely crazy" was another bad choice of words, and it wasn't protected by a cute yellow GIF file.
Overall, my post was in bad taste, and I apologize. I try not to cross the line between "confident debator" and "arrogant pr*ck," but sometimes it's a little hard. :)
Originally posted by Elfdood
I try not to cross the line between "confident debator" and "arrogant pr*ck," but sometimes it's a little hard. :) We all fight that same battle everyday :).
Thanks for helping to keep this a "happy" place :).
-jim
YankFan36
05-03-01, 06:37 PM
Why does a post like this have to be another argument about Tino again? I saw it and thought, "Oh, wow. I've been wondering about how one of our top prospects has been doing in the minors." It doesn't need to be another big drawn out debate.
Can't we just smile and be happy that, after a year off, Nick Johnson is on track (yes, it's early) to replicate his tremendous 1999 at a level one step higher? When our prospects do well, it's a good thing, folks. There are other threads to debate about Tino.
--Britt
(YF "sigh" 36)
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