View Full Version : Still feeling burned...
yanksphan
03-08-05, 08:27 AM
...on that $20 Mota deal. It was no different than Evil Empire "mistakenly" pushing the +1 button. I had an amount sitting up there from the previous player up for bid - Miguel Cabrera I believe, who's price exceeded $20 so quickly, I never submitted it. We then verified that it was possible for this to happen.
Seems like a $47 bid on Vlad to me was more getting caught up in the heat of bidding, especially at the beginning of a draft. Upping a bid by $12 for a marginal player seems more like an obvious blunder.
I understand that people were frustrated, and didn't want to go through the inconvenience of what we went through to make the Vlad/EE situation right, but that's cool for everyone but me.
Imagine having to restructure your entire draft for a $12 mistake. Not easy.
I'm not asking to throw him back now, as that obviously can't be done (although it could very easily been done last night), but I would like to propose I get Mota at the $8 bid I intended to submit. If anything, at least if he's keeper material, I get him at fair market value next year, not inflated value because of an error.
For what it's worth, some folks were supporting my argument last night, and I would hope in fairness, people would see the similarities to the Vlad/EE situation.
Hitman23
03-08-05, 08:30 AM
I'm cool with it. Obviously, I can sympathize with you.
For those that said the amount dissapears, that's actually wrong. I was doing the same thing, putting my limit in the bid spot and it wound up staying there for the next player. So I can see how this happened.
And don't be putting the accidental in quotes! :lol: it really was a mistake. I hadn't placed a bid for Beltran at all before that.
yanksphan
03-08-05, 08:34 AM
And don't be putting the accidental in quotes! :lol: it really was a mistake. I hadn't placed a bid for Beltran at all before that.
The quotes are for effect!! ;)
Beltran - not Vlad. My bad.
Snatch Catch
03-08-05, 08:35 AM
I would propose an inbetween of $14.
I think it may have been NYDC or ruthianblast that said they were going to $15 (and they were serious).
$14 sounds fair. Would that be the traded value also, if he's traded?
Snatch Catch
03-08-05, 08:46 AM
$14 sounds fair. Would that be the traded value also, if he's traded?
Yes. I would input his salary as $14.
$14 is also keeper-worthy for a closer like Mota.
yanksphan
03-08-05, 08:49 AM
Yes. I would input his salary as $14.
$14 is also keeper-worthy for a closer like Mota.
Which would mean it would cost me $18 to keep him next year, correct?
EDIT: Unless I option him...just read the rules. Fine - $14 works for me.
Snatch Catch
03-08-05, 08:54 AM
Which would mean it would cost me $18 to keep him next year, correct?
No. It would cost you $14 next year if you wanted to just pick up his option. You would then have to release him before year 3.
If you want to sign him any longer than 1 year, it would be $4 per year for each year of the contract.
yanksphan
03-08-05, 09:00 AM
No. It would cost you $14 next year if you wanted to just pick up his option. You would then have to release him before year 3.
If you want to sign him any longer than 1 year, it would be $4 per year for each year of the contract.
Right. Understood.
Still a little high IMO (especially since EE was off the hook with NO penalty) but I'll deal with it. Better than $24..$28..$32..$36 for the next 4 years.
Right. Understood.
Still a little high IMO (especially since EE was off the hook with NO penalty) but I'll deal with it. Better than $24..$28..$32..$36 for the next 4 years.
It's $4 for each of the years you extend him, IIRC.
$20 this year would be $36 a year for a 4 year contract. (4 years/$144, not 4 years/$120)
$14 this year would be $30 a year for 4 years if you chose to extend him that long. (4 years/$120, not 4 years/$96)
yanksphan
03-08-05, 09:20 AM
It's $4 for each of the years you extend him, IIRC.
$20 this year would be $36 a year for a 4 year contract. (4 years/$144, not 4 years/$120)
$14 this year would be $30 a year for 4 years if you chose to extend him that long. (4 years/$120, not 4 years/$96)
I guess I'm confused...
14.6. If a player is signed to a long-term contract, his salary will be raised by $4 for each year of the long-term contract. For example, if a player’s salary is $9 and a team wishes to sign him to a three-year contract, his annual salary is increased by $12 to $21 for the next three years.
I thought this meant that you add $4 to the players salary every year that he is in the contract. So Mota at $14 would mean $18, $22, $26 and finally $30.
You are saying it's $30 a year for the next 4 (after the initial season)?
:dunno:
Yes.
"14.6. If a player is signed to a long-term contract, his salary will be raised by $4 for each year of the long-term contract. For example, if a player’s salary is $9 and a team wishes to sign him to a three-year contract, his annual salary is increased by $12 to $21 for the next three years. "
By $4 for each year, not $4 each year.
Read that last sentence carefully. His "annual salary is increased by $12 to $21 for the next three years." $21 for the next 3 years.
From $9 to $21.
So Mota at $14 would mean $18, $22, $26 and finally $30.
Nope.
You are saying it's $30 a year for the next 4 (after the initial season)?
Yup.
I had the same question, and thats how it was answered. :)
yanksphan
03-08-05, 09:24 AM
Read that last sentence carefully. His "annual salary is increased by $12 to $21 for the next three years." $21 for the next 3 years.
From $9 to $21.
I understand. I guess I must have read it as "annual salary is increased by $12 to $21 over the next three years."
I understand. I guess I must have read it as "annual salary is increased by $12 to $21 over the next three years."
Right. And that's how I understood it originally too. But it was explained to me the way I just explained it to you, that the increase is for each year of the contract, not an annual increase.
yanksphan
03-08-05, 09:30 AM
Right. And that's how I understood it originally too. But it was explained to me the way I just explained it to you, that the increase is for each year of the contract, not an annual increase.
Well that just makes the $20 Mota even more disturbing. *sigh*
Which is why it will be dropped to $14.
Even if it was $8...you apparently wouldn't be signing him long-term, since it would be either a:
4-year/$96 ($24/year)
3-year/$60 ($20/year)
2-year/$32 ($16/year)
deal, and if you're balking at $20 now, you'd at most sign him for 2-years, even if you had him at $8. So you can renew him once at $14 and it would almost be a wash.
Snatch Catch
03-08-05, 09:36 AM
Well that just makes the $20 Mota even more disturbing. *sigh*
Its a $14 Mota...
yanksphan
03-08-05, 09:39 AM
Its a $14 Mota...
Fair enough. Thanks for listening (and explaining the salary thing).
The bastard better get me 40 saves now. :lol:
Hitman23
03-08-05, 09:40 AM
So let me get this straight....
if you choose to sign a player, you have to increase is salary 4 x the number of years?
for instance:
$19 player. I sign him for 4 years. His salary goes
$19, $35, $35, $35, $35?
So let me get this straight....
if you choose to sign a player, you have to increase is salary 4 x the number of years?
for instance:
$19 player. I sign hims for 4 years. His salary goes
$19, $35, $35, $35, $35?
Correct! You can renew him once at $19 (but then he goes back to the auction, IIRC) or sign him long term:
2-years/$54 ($27/year)
3-years/$93 ($31/year)
4-years/$140 ($35/year)
Hitman23
03-08-05, 09:44 AM
oh crap that's expensive. I thought it was a $4 increase per year. That changes everything.....
Soriambi
03-08-05, 09:46 AM
So let me get this straight....
if you choose to sign a player, you have to increase is salary 4 x the number of years?
for instance:
$19 player. I sign him for 4 years. His salary goes
$19, $35, $35, $35, $35?
Correct.
oh crap that's expensive. I thought it was a $4 increase per year. That changes everything.....
It works well, like our 2-round penalty in the original league, to make sure the top players make it back into the draft easily. I have Randy Johnson at $37. I can renew him next year at that price, or sign him to a 2-year/$90 contract ($45/year). I wouldn't sign him longer than that because then you get to $49/year or $53/year.
Hitman23
03-08-05, 09:48 AM
this makes things very interesting.
Well anyone wanna bet that Santana and Schmidt go back in the draft after next year? :lol:
this makes things very interesting.
Well anyone wanna bet that Santana and Schmidt go back in the draft after next year? :lol:
But remember...you can renew them for one year at their current salary, before losing their rights.
Hitman23
03-08-05, 09:51 AM
But remember...you can renew them for one year at their current salary, before losing their rights.yeah that's what I meant but aftre next year. 1 year option. I may keep Santana for two years.
I like it. It is expensive, but I do like it very much.
Snatch Catch
03-08-05, 09:52 AM
Fair enough. Thanks for listening (and explaining the salary thing).
The bastard better get me 40 saves now. :lol:
You wouldn't have given a 4 year deal to an $8 Mota anyway.
That would mean you were on the hook for $24 per for then next 4 years.
Considering only 2 closers went for more than that (I think), that wouldn't be a prudent business decision.
Lidge, Wagner, Benitez, Hoffman, etc all went for LESS than $20. Mota wouldn't have been exteneded beyond two years.
You'll only see 4 year deals for the unproven, but young and talented, $1-$3 guys we all picked up...
yeah that's what I meant but aftre next year. 1 year option. I may keep Santana for two years.
I like it. It is expensive, but I do like it very much.
My mistake. I didn't see the "after" in your original post. :o
Now that everyone knows the rules and how to work the auction.... maybe you should try it again tonight. ;)
(...says JDPNYY who is still kicking himself for taking a pass on this league)
Now that everyone knows the rules and how to work the auction.... maybe you should try it again tonight. ;)
:lol: :lol:
Snatch Catch
03-08-05, 09:55 AM
Almost everyone over $30 will be back in the auction next year.
All Sox jokes aside, at this point in time I would rather protect a $1 Bellhorn than a $38 Ichiro or a $36 Bonds.
Its not like you can't get them back once you return them to the auction; it just means you'll have to bid again...
Hitman23
03-08-05, 09:56 AM
where is the rules thread? is it called something else? I have a few questions but I want to read to see if they were addressed already.
yanksphan
03-08-05, 09:56 AM
Now that everyone knows the rules and how to work the auction.... maybe you should try it again tonight. ;)
(...says JDPNYY who is still kicking himself for taking a pass on this league)
we STILL have minor leaguers to divy up.....that should be easy :lol:
Soriambi
03-08-05, 09:56 AM
Almost everyone over $30 will be back in the auction next year.
All Sox jokes aside, at this point in time I would rather protect a $1 Bellhorn than a $38 Ichiro or a $36 Bonds.
Its not like you can't get them back once you return them to the auction; it just means you'll have to bid again...
Over $30? What is this over $30 you speak of? ;) (My high was $24.)
Think Chanman signs Pujols to a four year deal at $63 a year? :p
yanksphan
03-08-05, 09:57 AM
where is the rules thread? is it called something else? I have a few questions but I want to read to see if they were addressed already.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.php?p=1927447&postcount=9
where is the rules thread? is it called something else? I have a few questions but I want to read to see if they were addressed already.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=79098
Snatch Catch
03-08-05, 09:58 AM
Over $30? What is this over $30 you speak of? ;) (My high was $24.)
Keep in mind you can only protect 7-12 players...
Soriambi
03-08-05, 10:01 AM
Keep in mind you can only protect 7-12 players...
Yep, I know. :) (Thanks for clarifying, though)
Over $30? What is this over $30 you speak of? ;) (My high was $24.)
Yeah, and you had a lot of wasted payroll. :P
Soriambi
03-08-05, 10:04 AM
Yeah, and you had a lot of wasted payroll. :P
If I had to do it again, I'd have one more very good player, but I'm fairly happy with the team I ended up with for $232. No one's going to carry my team, but then again, an injury wouldn't be crippling. (BTW, look for a Squeakawatts self-analysis report by the end of the week. ;))
If I had to do it again, I'd have one more very good player, but I'm fairly happy with the team I ended up with for $232. No one's going to carry my team, but then again, an injury wouldn't be crippling. (BTW, look for a Squeakawatts self-analysis report by the end of the week. ;))
But you can go over the $260 if you have an injury anyway...
Snatch Catch
03-08-05, 10:13 AM
If I had to do it again, I'd have one more very good player, but I'm fairly happy with the team I ended up with for $232. No one's going to carry my team, but then again, an injury wouldn't be crippling. (BTW, look for a Squeakawatts self-analysis report by the end of the week. ;))
I feel the same way. I could have upped my bid on another player I really wanted by and additional $11 over what I payed for the guy I eventually took in his place.
Either way, I'm happy that I landed a couple of impact guys (Bonds, Ichiro, Gagne) while at the same time getting some great, young, fantasy talent that will be a fortune by next year, but isn't now (Bay, Hafner, Rowand) and some potential longterm keepers (Broussard, Affeldt, Ankiel, Lowry, Bonderman, Hudson, Berkman)
Hitman23
03-08-05, 10:28 AM
BerkmanI can't believe he went so late and for so cheap. Great pickup. If I had noticed he was still available i would have gone stronger for him and let Anderson go.
Snatch Catch
03-08-05, 10:31 AM
I can't believe he went so late and for so cheap. Great pickup. If I had noticed he was still available i would have gone stronger for him and let Anderson go.
He will miss time early this year, but being that we're a keeper league, it works for me!
Hitman23
03-08-05, 10:34 AM
He will miss time early this year, but being that we're a keeper league, it works for me!Definately. Berkman can be a monster when he gets going. He helped carry one of my teams last year.
chanman7483
03-08-05, 11:08 AM
Kinda kicking myself over the 47 dollar pujols. I told myself that I wasn't going to go above 40 for anyone. I needed him though. It's all or nothing this year!
Snatch Catch
03-08-05, 11:16 AM
Kinda kicking myself over the 47 dollar pujols. I told myself that I wasn't going to go above 40 for anyone. I needed him though. It's all or nothing this year!
Yep. Pujols, Vlad, et.al will all perform, but they were WAY overpriced.
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