View Full Version : Matt Mantei chimes in: "I don't like the Yankees. I don't think anybody does."
ring403
02-19-05, 11:03 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-redsox-mantei-johnson&prov=ap&type=lgns
"It's not about one person and I think that might be what (the Yankees) are like. I think they have a lot of big egos.''
NYYBombshell
02-19-05, 11:05 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-redsox-mantei-johnson&prov=ap&type=lgns
WTF.
This is getting to be absurd. Seriously f*cking absurd.
YankeePride1967
02-19-05, 11:06 PM
4 down, 21 yet to open their mouths. As far as egos, I think Matt might also want to look in his new locker room as well. And in Yankee camp, the sound of crickets are deafening.
The 2005 Boston Red Sox: The most classless champions in the history of team sports.
scull567
02-19-05, 11:10 PM
Schillings loud mouth is contagious.
YankeePride1967
02-19-05, 11:10 PM
This is actually becoming comical. Boston wins the series, the Yankees lose, but it's the Sox doing the yapping.
NYYBombshell
02-19-05, 11:13 PM
The 2005 Boston Red Sox: The most classless champions in the history of team sports.
Would someone like to tell me just who the hell Matt Mantei is?
Because he seems to think that he's some big shot.
The 2005 Boston Red Sox: The most classless champions in the history of team sports.
I've been arguing the same exact point in the Boomer thread, much to the consternation of the Red Sox posters around here.
NYYBombshell
02-19-05, 11:16 PM
The 2005 Boston Red Sox: The most classless champions in the history of team sports.
The Red Sox remind me of the poor people who live in trailer parks their whole life and then win like $150 million dollars in the lottery but still buy velvet paintings of Elvis and dogs playing poker. You know, those snotty nouveau riche people who no matter how much money they have, they're still poor people.
Money can't buy class and neither can championships.
cubswin
02-19-05, 11:19 PM
Would someone like to tell me just who the hell Matt Mantei is? ...
Is this a serious question, or rhetorical?
I think the point is, what has this guy done as part of the rivalry to feel compelled (or qualified) to chime in?
SheffMVP11
02-19-05, 11:21 PM
Who the f*ck is Matt Mantei?
cubswin
02-19-05, 11:21 PM
I've been arguing the same exact point in the Boomer thread, much to the consternation of the Red Sox posters around here.
That's because you're going much further -- trying to claim that it's a character issue and that it reflects on the fans, too.
If you want to stick to claiming that they're not showing class or respect, or that they're being rude, like I acknowledged to you already, that's not unreasonable, though I disagree. But you insist on trying to read far more into it.
cubswin
02-19-05, 11:22 PM
I think the point is, what has this guy done as part of the rivalry to feel compelled (or qualified) to chime in?
Why does he need to feel compelled to?
And what exactly did he say that he isn't qualified -- in your qualified opinion as a fan -- to say?
That's because you're going much further -- trying to claim that it's a character issue and that it reflects on the fans, too.
If you want to stick to claiming that they're not showing class or respect, or that they're being rude, like I acknowledged to you already, that's not unreasonable, though I disagree. But you insist on trying to read far more into it.
It is just the way I see it. Sorry if you can separate rudeness & disrespect from character. I cannot. And the behavior is even more unsavory because it is being conducted by the reigning champs, who should be above the fray.
And if you read my earlier posts more carefully, you would see that my point with regard to fans has to do with a 'second-place mentality', not a lack of character. It is the players who have a lack of character.
scull567
02-19-05, 11:26 PM
Boomer and Mantei weren't on the team last year, so to accuse the red sox of being the most classless champions because of what they said is a little unfair.
NYYBombshell
02-19-05, 11:26 PM
Is this a serious question, or rhetorical?
Rhetorical.
SheffMVP11
02-19-05, 11:28 PM
The insults continue to rain from BoSox platoon players and no-name relievers. It really is getting comical.
cubswin
02-19-05, 11:29 PM
It is just the way I see it. Sorry if you can separate rudeness & disrespect from character. I cannot. And the behavior is even more unsavory because it is being conducted by the reigning champs, who should be above the fray.
And if you read my earlier posts more carefully, you would see that my point with regard to fans has to do with a 'second-place mentality', not a lack of character. It is the players who have a lack of character.
Rudeness and disrespect to somebody who you dislike and have no respect for is honest, if not necessarily diplomatic. I consider honesty one of the few things integral to character. Tact is a secondary characteristic, at best.
Your earlier posts were worded quite unclearly. But I'd love to know what it means for a fan to have a "first-place" mentality. As far as I can tell, nothing the players say has any bearing on the mentality or character of the fans.
Boomer and Mantei weren't on the team last year, so to accuse the red sox of being the most classless champions because of what they said is a little unfair.
They are jumping on the bandwagon though. There is an unmistakable corporate culture on the team of outspoken hostility toward the Yankees right now, and the new guys are doing their best to fit in.
SheffMVP11
02-19-05, 11:31 PM
So which Red Sox player will be next to offer his 2 cents, Doug Mirabelli or Dave McCarty?
NYYBombshell
02-19-05, 11:32 PM
The insults continue to rain from BoSox platoon players and no-name relievers. It really is getting comical.
My question is this: Where is Terry Francona? I mean, why isn't he telling his players to STFU? Is there no such thing as "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" in their locker room?
I can bet you dollars to doughnuts that if the Yankees were doing this, Torre would have their asses in a headlock.
The 2005 Boston Red Sox: The most classless champions in the history of team sports.
This is why Kellog never should have fixed the AlCS.
So which Red Sox player will be next to offer his 2 cents, Doug Mirabelli or Dave McCarty?
You got to figure Millar will chime in first thing when he arrives. You know the guy can't wait to give his 2 cents. I really hope Arod keeps quiet, it'll just make these morons look that much stupider.
cubswin
02-19-05, 11:34 PM
My question is this: Where is Terry Francona? I mean, why isn't he telling his players to STFU? Is there no such thing as "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" in their locker room?
I can bet you dollars to doughnuts that if the Yankees were doing this, Torre would have their asses in a headlock.
Maybe he doesn't care.
My guess, though, is that once training camp is open for all players, this comes to an end. Just a guess, though.
NYYBombshell
02-19-05, 11:36 PM
So which Red Sox player will be next to offer his 2 cents, Doug Mirabelli or Dave McCarty?
I'm waiting with baited breath for Adam Hyzdu to pontificate.
NYYBombshell
02-19-05, 11:37 PM
Maybe he doesn't care.
My guess, though, is that once training camp is open for all players, this comes to an end. Just a guess, though.
Sure......it will all end when the teams biggest loudmouths show up. I'm sure Ortiz and Millar and Ramirez have nothing but *glowing* things to say about the Yankees.
Rudeness and disrespect to somebody who you dislike and have no respect for is honest, if not necessarily diplomatic. I consider honesty one of the few things integral to character. Tact is a secondary characteristic, at best.
Wow -- quite a spin job. This is not about tact, this is about sportsmanship, grace, basic human decency, and the meaning of being a champion. I have never known a person to have character who can spit in the face of a beaten opponent, figuratively or literally.
You can try to rationalize what is going on with the Red Sox anyway that works for you. But if my team were behaving this way after winning a championship, I would be ashamed.
Sure......it will all end when the teams biggest loudmouths show up. I'm sure Ortiz and Millar and Ramirez have nothing but *glowing* things to say about the Yankees.
Ramirez would rather be a Yankee.
bleachersown
02-19-05, 11:41 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-redsox-mantei-johnson&prov=ap&type=lgns
OH NO HE DIDN'T :mad:
NYYBombshell
02-19-05, 11:43 PM
Rudeness and disrespect to somebody who you dislike and have no respect for is honest, if not necessarily diplomatic. I consider honesty one of the few things integral to character. Tact is a secondary characteristic, at best.
Your earlier posts were worded quite unclearly. But I'd love to know what it means for a fan to have a "first-place" mentality. As far as I can tell, nothing the players say has any bearing on the mentality or character of the fans.
Rudeness and disrespect to somebody who you dislike and have no respect for is honest if not necessarily diplomatic?
I'm shocked. If someone hated your mother and had no respect for her, would you tolerate them calling her a bitch or worse? Because like you just said, it's honest and diplomatic.
Something tells me that with all of the mouths that are in the Red Sox clubhouse, and with their current atmosphere of outspokenness, it will not take too many losses in a row for them to turn and start mouthing off about each other. Especially if the Yankees come out strong against them in the opening series'.
Ramirez would rather be a Yankee.
As would Schilling and Wells, and probably most of the other Red Sox players.
Quite the collection of unlikeable asses they've assembled in Boston.
scull567
02-19-05, 11:49 PM
Something tells me that with all of the mouths that are in the Red Sox clubhouse, and with their current atmosphere of outspokenness, it will not take too many losses in a row for them to turn and start mouthing off about each other. Especially if the Yankees come out strong against them in the opening series'.
Sheff already took to this with the Yankees, saying disparaging comments about Jason Giambi "I'm not like Jason Giambi, I'm not going to sit here and cry about things"
NYYBombshell
02-19-05, 11:50 PM
Quite the collection of unlikeable asses they've assembled in Boston.
It's sad. Who is in control of these people?
As would Schilling and Wells, and probably most of the other Red Sox players.
Remember right after we signed Giambi, Damon claimed he was coming, too? Remeber the few times The D-Backs tried to get us to take Matt Mantei's ridiculous contract offf there hands during earlier Unit talks?
Sheff already took to this with the Yankees, saying disparaging comments about Jason Giambi "I'm not like Jason Giambi, I'm not going to sit here and cry about things"
Regardless of what issues the Yankees have to deal with, the Red Sox have a very classless, mouthy group assembled over there.
Kulish29
02-19-05, 11:59 PM
Will the endless moronic comments ever start coming out of Red Sox players mouths? Christ.
scull567
02-20-05, 12:00 AM
Will the endless moronic comments ever start coming out of Red Sox players mouths? Christ.
Heres a gem from mike timlin.
"The Yankees will always be the Yankees. But they are a normal baseball team that happens to have 'NY' on their chests. It's not a red 'S,' " he said, referring to the Superman logo. "If it were a red 'S' in a diamond I'd be worried."
Kulish29
02-20-05, 12:00 AM
Would someone like to tell me just who the hell Matt Mantei is?
He's a former closer who cant close and is oft-injured. So pretty much a nobody.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:03 AM
He's a former closer who cant close and is oft-injured. So pretty much a nobody.
Pretty much what I thought.
Kulish29
02-20-05, 12:08 AM
Pretty much what I thought.
I hope he gets into some games for the Sox. I watched a bunch of games last year that he was closing for the D'Backs. I think in two consecutive games he blew the save by giving up grad slams.
sox jedi 14
02-20-05, 12:15 AM
I'm as tired of this trash-talk as any of you, but what is so outrageous about this specific comment? You know that some rookie reporter went up to this first year Red Sox player (so stop lumping him in with the 2004 team, and that goes for Wells too, they haven't earned anything yet) and asked him what he thinks about the rivalry with the Yankees. He didn't say anything so outlandish when you think about it; either you're a Yankee, a Yankee fan, or a fan of a different team.
There is no ambivalence towards the Yankees, either you love them or you hate them, that's the effect those 26 championships have. Derek Jeter knows what to do; shut up, and hold up the four fingers that have rings on them. Just like calling out "scoreboard" in a college basketball game. Take a cue from your captain, enjoy the fact that everyone is gunning for you even though you didn't win the championship last year, and stop acting so offended over every little comment that someone makes about your team.
I'd pay more attention to the infighting, especially Sheffield and Giambi. Considering how much support Giambi is going to need this season from his teammates and fans, this is a serious concern for the Yankees.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:16 AM
I'm as tired of this trash-talk as any of you, but what is so outrageous about this specific comment? You know that some rookie reporter went up to this first year Red Sox player (so stop lumping him in with the 2004 team, and that goes for Wells too, they haven't earned anything yet) and asked him what he thinks about the rivalry with the Yankees. He didn't say anything so outlandish when you think about it; either you're a Yankee, a Yankee fan, or a fan of a different team.
There is no ambivalence towards the Yankees, either you love them or you hate them, that's the effect those 26 championships have. Derek Jeter knows what to do; shut up, and hold up the four fingers that have rings on them. Just like calling out "scoreboard" in a college basketball game. Take a cue from your captain, enjoy the fact that everyone is gunning for you even though you didn't win the championship last year, and stop acting so offended over every little comment that someone makes about your team.
I'd pay more attention to the infighting, especially Sheffield and Giambi. Considering how much support Giambi is going to need this season from his teammates and fans, this is a serious concern for the Yankees.
If you can't see how out of line, stupid and classless the statement was......I have nothing else to say to you.
FWIW, I was waiting for another Sox fan to come along and defend it.
Hate the Yankees all your want, but do it with your mouth closed.
MiamiKat
02-20-05, 12:19 AM
Well, this makes SIX Red Sox in the past week or so to talk to the media about the Yankees (team or individual player) & say something negative. It's past annoying now...it's laughable and pathetic.
Either the Red Sox don't have a PR department or it's run by Larry Lucchino.
BTW, I actually didn't mind Timlin's quote earlier in the thread. It conveyed the way he felt about the Yankees -- they're good, but they're not Supermen -- without slamming them or making it personal in any way.
sox jedi 14
02-20-05, 12:19 AM
If you can't see how out of line, stupid and classless the statement was......I have nothing else to say to you.
FWIW, I was waiting for another Sox fan to come along and defend it.
In what way did I defend this statement? At the beginning of my post I said that I was tired of this garbage as well. Some comments from the Sox deserve your ire, this one doesn't. If this had come from a player from another team, it wouldn't even have made the news and you wouldn't have found out about it. You guys throw around the word "classless" like the Patriots throw around "disrespect."
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:20 AM
Well, this makes SIX Red Sox in the past week or so to talk to the media about the Yankees (team or individual player) & say something negative. It's past annoying now...it's laughable and pathetic.
Either the Red Sox don't have a PR department or it's run by Larry Lucchino.
BTW, I actually didn't mind Timlin's quote earlier in the thread. It conveyed the way he felt about the Yankees -- they're good, but they're not Supermen -- without slamming them or making it personal in any way.
I'm still asking about where Francona is. It's his job to control the team......he's the manager, right?
I'm as tired of this trash-talk as any of you, but what is so outrageous about this specific comment? You know that some rookie reporter went up to this first year Red Sox player (so stop lumping him in with the 2004 team, and that goes for Wells too, they haven't earned anything yet) and asked him what he thinks about the rivalry with the Yankees. He didn't say anything so outlandish when you think about it; either you're a Yankee, a Yankee fan, or a fan of a different team.
There is no ambivalence towards the Yankees, either you love them or you hate them, that's the effect those 26 championships have. Derek Jeter knows what to do; shut up, and hold up the four fingers that have rings on them. Just like calling out "scoreboard" in a college basketball game. Take a cue from your captain, enjoy the fact that everyone is gunning for you even though you didn't win the championship last year, and stop acting so offended over every little comment that someone makes about your team.
I'd pay more attention to the infighting, especially Sheffield and Giambi. Considering how much support Giambi is going to need this season from his teammates and fans, this is a serious concern for the Yankees.How do we "know" this was some rookie reporter? And his talk about egos was way out of line.
And how about you not telling us how to be fans, and what to find objectionable about constant spew we hear from your team about our team?
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:20 AM
In what way did I defend this statement? At the beginning of my post I said that I was tired of this garbage as well. Some comments from the Sox deserve your ire, this one doesn't. If this had come from a player from another team, it wouldn't even have made the news and you wouldn't have found out about it. You guys throw around the word "classless" like the Patriots throw around "disrespect."
You guys?
I'll take "Stupid Generalizations" for $600, Alex.
Luciano
02-20-05, 12:21 AM
I can't believe you don't shut up!
I'm still asking about where Francona is. It's his job to control the team......he's the manager, right?
His silence likely reveals his tacit approval.
sox jedi 14
02-20-05, 12:22 AM
Well, this makes SIX Red Sox in the past week or so to talk to the media about the Yankees (team or individual player) & say something negative. It's past annoying now...it's laughable and pathetic.
Either the Red Sox don't have a PR department or it's run by Larry Lucchino.
BTW, I actually didn't mind Timlin's quote earlier in the thread. It conveyed the way he felt about the Yankees -- they're good, but they're not Supermen -- without slamming them or making it personal in any way.
Oh my goodness its a rational Yankee fan. A well formed opinion that considers the big picture and formulates a sensical conclusion. Someone let the mods know so we can kick him off of the board.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:22 AM
His silence likely reveals his tacit approval.
Torre wouldn't put up with it. I'm pretty sure Steinbrenner wouldn't either.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:24 AM
Oh my goodness its a rational Yankee fan. A well formed opinion that considers the big picture and formulates a sensical conclusion. Someone let the mods know so we can kick him off of the board.
Save the attitude, okay? Get your point across without sounding like a petulant child.
Kulish29
02-20-05, 12:24 AM
I'm as tired of this trash-talk as any of you, but what is so outrageous about this specific comment? You know that some rookie reporter went up to this first year Red Sox player (so stop lumping him in with the 2004 team, and that goes for Wells too, they haven't earned anything yet) and asked him what he thinks about the rivalry with the Yankees. He didn't say anything so outlandish when you think about it; either you're a Yankee, a Yankee fan, or a fan of a different team.
There is no ambivalence towards the Yankees, either you love them or you hate them, that's the effect those 26 championships have. Derek Jeter knows what to do; shut up, and hold up the four fingers that have rings on them. Just like calling out "scoreboard" in a college basketball game. Take a cue from your captain, enjoy the fact that everyone is gunning for you even though you didn't win the championship last year, and stop acting so offended over every little comment that someone makes about your team.
I'd pay more attention to the infighting, especially Sheffield and Giambi. Considering how much support Giambi is going to need this season from his teammates and fans, this is a serious concern for the Yankees.
It's classless that the orginization doesnt just tell their players to stop with all the talking their players are doing. It's getting friggin rediculous. Notice how NOBODY on the Yankees has said anything?
sox jedi 14
02-20-05, 12:24 AM
How do we "know" this was some rookie reporter? And his talk about egos was way out of line.
And how about you not telling us how to be fans, and what to find objectionable about constant spew we hear from your team about our team?
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to tell you what to do. It just seems that the general fan base has gotten overly touchy over comments that have been made. What kind of comment do you expect from a first-year Red Sock? "The Yankees are a great team. I can't wait to go up against them and I hope that I will do well for the fans of Boston." If they said that it wouldn't make the papers.
DaveK913
02-20-05, 12:25 AM
Mantei hasn't the perspective to be dishing out conjecture like that. What does he base his assumptions on? What he reads in the paper while he's on the disabled list? He's probably just trying to fit himself into the rivalry, that's all. Pretty funny for a guy who hasn't even thrown a pitch for the Sox in a game yet.
Funny little bit of trivia on him: He was affiliated with two organizations that won the World Series, but the years they won them, he either wasn't on the team or made little to no contribution. He played with the Marlins from 95-99, but not when they won the WS in '97. He played for AZ from 99-04, but only pitched 7 innings the year they won the WS.
That doesn't bode well for the Sox, unless he gets waived or sent to the minors for the year real soon. The Mantei Curse! ;)
sox jedi 14
02-20-05, 12:26 AM
You guys?
I'll take "Stupid Generalizations" for $600, Alex.
How's that comment for acting like a "petulant child." I didn't resort to calling you names, I'd request that you do the same.
Kulish29
02-20-05, 12:26 AM
Hate the Yankees all your want, but do it with your mouth closed.
All this talk just proves, A.) It's always about the Yankees and B.) The inferiority complex is still in tact. It's kind of pathetic actually.
MiamiKat
02-20-05, 12:26 AM
Oh my goodness its a rational Yankee fan. A well formed opinion that considers the big picture and formulates a sensical conclusion. Someone let the mods know so we can kick him off of the board.
Her.
And I'm staying, BTW.
sox jedi 14
02-20-05, 12:27 AM
Her.
And I'm staying, BTW.
Haha I'm sorry. And I'm glad to hear it.
cubswin
02-20-05, 12:28 AM
Sure......it will all end when the teams biggest loudmouths show up. I'm sure Ortiz and Millar and Ramirez have nothing but *glowing* things to say about the Yankees.
What I'm guessing is that Francona will care when it's time to get to wrok. We'll see. (And Ortiz and Ramirez are "loudmouths"?)
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:29 AM
How's that comment for acting like a "petulant child." I didn't resort to calling you names, I'd request that you do the same.
You think that's acting like a petulant child? Okay.
Also, please read the community standards if you haven't already.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:30 AM
What I'm guessing is that Francona will care when it's time to get to wrok. We'll see. (And Ortiz and Ramirez are "loudmouths"?)
If the trend is to be continued, the answer is yes. It seems like every single member of that team is going to have to spew some more vitriol our way before the first pitch is thrown.
cubswin
02-20-05, 12:31 AM
Wow -- quite a spin job. This is not about tact, this is about sportsmanship, grace, basic human decency, and the meaning of being a champion. I have never known a person to have character who can spit in the face of a beaten opponent, figuratively or literally.
You can try to rationalize what is going on with the Red Sox anyway that works for you. But if my team were behaving this way after winning a championship, I would be ashamed.
The spin job is you trying to read far more into it than there is. "Basic human decency"? Whatever.
You've hit it on the head again, though -- you identify more personally w/the Yanks than I do with the Sox or any sports team. Sorry -- there's nothing that a baseball player can do that would cause me to feel shame. Similarly, they aren't going to make feel good about myself. They are millionaires playing a game. Maybe you don't realize that, or maybe I'm just jaded.
MiamiKat
02-20-05, 12:31 AM
Mantei hasn't the perspective to be dishing out conjecture like that. What does he base his assumptions on? What he reads in the paper while he's on the disabled list? He's probably just trying to fit himself into the rivalry, that's all. Pretty funny for a guy who hasn't even thrown a pitch for the Sox in a game yet.
His pontificating about RJ is hilarious too:
"He doesn't like the media. He doesn't like fans. He doesn't like anybody. So he's going to have a hard time. But, personally, I was good friends with Randy so I love him to death and I wish him all the best except when he plays against us."
So RJ doesn't like anybody and you proclaim he's going to have a hard time in NY, but you're good friends with him and love him to death.
Why not call him a "deadbeat dad" too and make even less sense?
Yeah, I know that's picking but too bad. The guy spoke to the press, I get to nitpick his words.
sox jedi 14
02-20-05, 12:33 AM
It's called sarcasm. You made a generalization and I responded to it.
Also, please read the community standards if you haven't already.
I read the community standards the first day I joined and have had adhered to them. If you can be sarcastic then so can I, don't take offense to it. Don't expect special treatment because you're a Yankee fan and have been posting here more often.
Luciano
02-20-05, 12:33 AM
BTW, I actually didn't mind Timlin's quote earlier in the thread.
Ditto.
Wakefield and Foulke were asked about this whole bitchfest and they basically said that they didn't want to be dragged into it (http://www.nypost.com/sports/40730.htm), so Timlin's not the only one who isn't giving the media much.
"That has nothing to do with me," Foulke said yesterday. "Honestly, I don't know anything about what they said, I don't read the papers, I don't watch 'SportsCenter.'
"So therefore it doesn't concern me.
"I'm not saying anything about another player in the league. I'm definitely not getting into a verbal war with a guy who's probably a lot smarter than me."
OK, heh.
Wakefield said, "I don't know what their opinions are. I go out and play and worry about Tim Wakefield. I try to get guys like [A-Rod] out as much as I can."
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to tell you what to do. It just seems that the general fan base has gotten overly touchy over comments that have been made. What kind of comment do you expect from a first-year Red Sock? "The Yankees are a great team. I can't wait to go up against them and I hope that I will do well for the fans of Boston." If they said that it wouldn't make the papers.
So, it's your job to instruct the general fan base on what to be worried about? I think the Sawx are digging their graves with their mouths right now. I hope they keep talking, though it is indicative of their overall level of class, and shows quite definitively that one title doesn't cure much.
cubswin
02-20-05, 12:34 AM
Rudeness and disrespect to somebody who you dislike and have no respect for is honest if not necessarily diplomatic?
I'm shocked. If someone hated your mother and had no respect for her, would you tolerate them calling her a bitch or worse? Because like you just said, it's honest and diplomatic.
Terrible analogy.
First, I didn't say it's diplomatic. I said it isn't.
Second, if somebody called my mother a bitch, of course I would have a problem with it. But my having a problem with it doesn't mean that the person is a bad person, however.
cubswin
02-20-05, 12:35 AM
It's sad. Who is in control of these people?
Nobody. They're adults. Are people "in control" of you?
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:36 AM
I read the community standards the first day I joined and have had adhered to them. If you can be sarcastic then so can I, don't take offense to it. Don't expect special treatment because you're a Yankee fan and have been posting here more often.
I don't expect special treatment for squat. I was being sarcastic, you weren't. You were being rude, and there's a difference.
Enough of this. I don't want to get the thread closed.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:38 AM
Nobody. They're adults. Are people "in control" of you?
Yes, as a matter of fact I do. My boss, my professors, my parents (to an extent) and myself.
Their manager should be telling them to keep their mouths closed. That's what I meant.
sox jedi 14
02-20-05, 12:38 AM
So, it's your job to instruct the general fan base on what to be worried about? I think the Sawx are digging their graves with their mouths right now. I hope they keep talking, though it is indicative of their overall level of class, and shows quite definitively that one title doesn't cure much.
I'm just saying what I would do if a Yankee made a comment about the Red Sox, or if I was a Yankee fan and someone made a comment towards them. I think the reason why "one title doesn't cure much" is because everyone is shooting for the Yankees again because of the talent they have added in the offseason. Sox were better last year, now everyone expects that the Yankees will be better.
sox jedi 14
02-20-05, 12:41 AM
Yes, as a matter of fact I do. My boss, my professors, my parents (to an extent) and myself.
Their manager should be telling them to keep their mouths closed. That's what I meant.
I agree with you, if I were Francona I would make sure that my team understood the amount of extra motivation that they are providing their rival with. Obviously they're professionals and want to win no matter what, but you can be sure it'll be a bigger effort from the players (and the fans) on April 3,4,5.
cubswin
02-20-05, 12:41 AM
Yes, as a matter of fact I do. My boss, my professors, my parents (to an extent) and myself.
Their manager should be telling them to keep their mouths closed. That's what I meant.
Your boss and professors are in control of you? What kind of job do you have / school do you attend?
(I already gave my guess re. Francona. We'll see in, what, 10 days or so?)
scull567
02-20-05, 12:42 AM
Well, this makes SIX Red Sox in the past week or so to talk to the media about the Yankees (team or individual player) & say something negative. It's past annoying now...it's laughable and pathetic.
Six?, I think you are stretching it if you really think what Varitek, Schilling, or Arroyo was really noteworthy as something negative.
I'm just saying what I would do if a Yankee made a comment about the Red Sox, or if I was a Yankee fan and someone made a comment towards them. I think the reason why "one title doesn't cure much" is because everyone is shooting for the Yankees again because of the talent they have added in the offseason. Sox were better last year, now everyone expects that the Yankees will be better.In any event, I'm glad the Sox are shooting off their mouths while the Yanks are busy at work. I think they're classless jerks, but I'm glad they're classless jerks. It's gonna make the whole thing more fun.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:45 AM
Your boss and professors are in control of you? What kind of job do you have / school do you attend?
(I already gave my guess re. Francona. We'll see in, what, 10 days or so?)
I work in a law office. I can't show up in Bermuda shorts and mouth off to clients, now can I? No. Therefore, by asserting control over me, I have a list of rules for the office. Most workplaces are like that.
What school do I go to? Georgia State.......why? My professors set rules for their classes. Who sits where, what you can use on tests, if you can get up and leave the classroom during a test....etc.
MiamiKat
02-20-05, 12:48 AM
Nobody. They're adults. Are people "in control" of you?
It's one thing for one person to talk out of turn and say something to the press, it's another when it's six. These guys represent their team (and a big, expensive business), and it's getting out of hand.
Outside of Boston, all the talk about the Red Sox is what their players are saying about the Yankees. Shouldn't the story be about "the history-making 2004 champs in Spring Training getting ready to defend their title"? Instead it's about who today spoke to the media about the Yankees. It's not a PR debacle at this point...but it's just not the story that should be out there.
The Red Sox have three very involved owners and a proactive front office. Someone, if they wanted to, could sit the team down and tell them to can the negative Yankees talk.
Steph19
02-20-05, 12:53 AM
Here's a change of pace...
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/bos/news/bos_news.jsp?ymd=20050219&content_id=946164&vkey=spt2005news&fext=.jsp
Not that Renteria will be paying much attention to the stat sheet. He is disinterested in glamour. He just likes to put his uniform on and grind it out for nine innings. You'll never find him on the all-quotable team, and that's exactly how Renteria wants it.
"Everything I've got, I'm going to bring to the field every day," Renteria said. "I'm a quiet guy. I don't like to talk much. I get to my position and let everybody do what they have to do. I try and do my job and not say anything. I'm a team player, I like to have fun with the guys. On the field, you do what you have to do. I like to play every day. If we win, we're doing a great job."
A quiet likable Red Sox? Guess he isn't broken in yet.
Seriously, though, this team is really making it easy to dislike them. With some Red Sox players, I think they're funny and likable, but the others... Well, I'm just glad it isn't the Yankees opening their mouths. Now, to pray that A-Rod will decide to keep his trap shut for a while.
MiamiKat
02-20-05, 12:55 AM
Six?, I think you are stretching it if you really think what Varitek, Schilling, or Arroyo was really noteworthy as something negative.
I won't rehash what Schilling has said about A-Rod over the course of the off-season, but his comments can be only be interpreted as negative.
As for Varitek & Arroyo's recent comments...don't go by my opinion, ask the AP headline writer who penned the headline "2 more Red Sox players rip A-Rod".
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6976046/
Whether you agree or not, the Sox players' comments are being presented as insulting and negative.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 12:55 AM
Ohhhhh SCREW Boston. They've been carrying themselves in the most disgraceful, despicable way since that last out against St.Louis. What an embarrassment of a team. How quickly that pseudo "reverse the curse" charm they fooled everyone with and to which the rest of the nation fell for, turned into a team of classless ingrates. We knew it because of the proximity and "rivalry." Now it's out of the bag in full force and for the rest of the world to see. Good.
I won't rehash what Schilling has said about A-Rod over the course of the off-season, but his comments can be only be interpreted as negative.
As for Varitek & Arroyo's recent comments...don't go by my opinion, ask the AP headline writer who penned the headline "2 more Red Sox players rip A-Rod".
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6976046/
Whether you agree or not, the Sox players' comments are being presented as insulting and negative.
Varitek, Arroyo, Wells, Schilling, Mantei, Nixon
Six.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:58 AM
Best part of that whole article:
"The next time he faces Rodriguez, Arroyo doesn’t expect trouble “as long as I don’t hit him” in the ribs. “If I do, I definitely think that he’ll think I was throwing at him on purpose on July 24 and then we’ll probably have problems.”
Thanks for letting us know ahead of time that you might be hitting A-Rod in the ribs at some point during the season. We'll be sure to keep this on file.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 01:01 AM
The 2005 Boston Red Sox: The most classless champions in the history of team sports.
We don't know what their 1918 team was like, so I'll have to agree with you.
MiamiKat
02-20-05, 01:02 AM
Best part of that whole article:
"The next time he faces Rodriguez, Arroyo doesn’t expect trouble “as long as I don’t hit him” in the ribs. “If I do, I definitely think that he’ll think I was throwing at him on purpose on July 24 and then we’ll probably have problems.”
Thanks for letting us know ahead of time that you might be hitting A-Rod in the ribs at some point during the season. We'll be sure to keep this on file.
What I didn't get about this quote was that Arroyo's faced A-Rod since July 24th. More than once, I'm pretty certain. Sure, there was some tension at first, but both sides handled the at-bats like professionals.
So it's not like this has been festering unresolved since late July.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 01:02 AM
The Red Sox remind me of the poor people who live in trailer parks their whole life and then win like $150 million dollars in the lottery but still buy velvet paintings of Elvis and dogs playing poker. You know, those snotty nouveau riche people who no matter how much money they have, they're still poor people.
Money can't buy class and neither can championships.
Hey, that's amazingly close to an analogy I once posted here! That's hilarious........I'll have to find it.
Edit: Found it...take a look at how we think alike regarding this:
Re: Pats=class like the Yanks; Congrats Pats fans
I swear, some Sox fans remind me of someone who was a loser their whole life and suddenly win the lottery. They instantly become an expert on money, taste, style, how to be a winner, etc. Only, instead of having the refined taste of one who is used to such things, he spends his money on a Cadillac with fur seats, a sofa with plastic slip covers and medallions the size of rear bumpers. They just don't have any clue how to handle it. Now that I have a better handle on their delicate psyche, perhaps I should be more sympathetic toward them.
Nah.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?p=1913036&highlight=lottery#post1913036
Mantei gives A-Rod a back-handed compliment:
http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20050220_20rsoxjo.2065ae8.html
"I played (Class) A ball with A-Rod. A couple of years later I saw him and he didn't know who I was. He big-timed me. But he does a lot of chairty work, so I have nothing to say against him," he added.
scull567
02-20-05, 01:04 AM
I won't rehash what Schilling has said about A-Rod over the course of the off-season, but his comments can be only be interpreted as negative.
As for Varitek & Arroyo's recent comments...don't go by my opinion, ask the AP headline writer who penned the headline "2 more Red Sox players rip A-Rod".
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6976046/
Whether you agree or not, the Sox players' comments are being presented as insulting and negative.
I understand that the media is blowing up these trivial little comments into something bigger.
Heres what Varitek said "As far as defending what work that I have to do and I do in the offseason and be able to still be a father, I don’t need to boast. I know what work I do and I know how hard I work and I don’t have to worry about what someone else does.”"
Ouch, theres a real zinger. How dare Varitek say that he doesnt need to boast about his workouts. :dunno:
Then theres Arroyo. "“The (July) 24th incident and knocking the ball out of my hand, I think had a lot to do with people’s perception of the way he plays the game. I think people could perceive him as a little bit of a dirty player and not as likable as maybe he once was.”
“When I hit him, I thought he was out of line just because I wasn’t throwing at him,” Arroyo said. “But as far as the play at first base, I wouldn’t fault him for it. You do what you’ve got to do to try to win.”
Arroyo sure is layin down the smack. :evil:
cubswin
02-20-05, 01:04 AM
I work in a law office. ... My professors set rules for their classes. ...
We were talking about different types of control, as it turns out.
cubswin
02-20-05, 01:06 AM
It's one thing for one person to talk out of turn and say something to the press, it's another when it's six. These guys represent their team (and a big, expensive business), and it's getting out of hand.
...The Red Sox have three very involved owners and a proactive front office. Someone, if they wanted to, could sit the team down and tell them to can the negative Yankees talk.
The owners/front office must not agree that it's out of hand.
cubswin
02-20-05, 01:08 AM
Best part of that whole article:
"The next time he faces Rodriguez, Arroyo doesn’t expect trouble “as long as I don’t hit him” in the ribs. “If I do, I definitely think that he’ll think I was throwing at him on purpose on July 24 and then we’ll probably have problems.”
Thanks for letting us know ahead of time that you might be hitting A-Rod in the ribs at some point during the season. We'll be sure to keep this on file.
? What are you talking about? Saying "as long as I don't hit him" is now some sort of trash talk, too?
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 01:11 AM
Mantei gives A-Rod a back-handed compliment:
http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20050220_20rsoxjo.2065ae8.html
"I played (Class) A ball with A-Rod. A couple of years later I saw him and he didn't know who I was. He big-timed me. But he does a lot of chairty work, so I have nothing to say against him," he added.
WTF?
That made no sense. That was the lamest attempt at a pseudo-compliment I've ever seen.
Luciano
02-20-05, 01:11 AM
Mantei gives A-Rod a back-handed compliment:
http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20050220_20rsoxjo.2065ae8.html
"I played (Class) A ball with A-Rod. A couple of years later I saw him and he didn't know who I was. He big-timed me. But he does a lot of chairty work, so I have nothing to say against him," he added.
OK, that quote is just sad and hilarious at the same time.
[school girl]It's like, I went up to him and he saw right. Through. Me. He didn't even remember me! He tossed me a hello and went back to chatting with the bitch from Jenny's homeroom.
Did our relationship mean nothing to him?![/school girl]
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 01:12 AM
? What are you talking about? Saying "as long as I don't hit him" is now some sort of trash talk, too?
He said "If I do". Why would you even leave the door open like that?
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 01:12 AM
We were talking about different types of control, as it turns out.
Apparently. I meant control as in laying rules down for behavior.
cubswin
02-20-05, 01:13 AM
He said "If I do". Why would you even leave the door open like that?
ARod had a problem when he got hit before. Arroyo doesn't think he should have had a problem when he got hit before. Arroyo says he expects no problems, unless ARod gets hit again.
So what?
WTF?
That made no sense. That was the lamest attempt at a pseudo-compliment I've ever seen.
That's why I called it back-handed.
MiamiKat
02-20-05, 01:14 AM
I understand that the media is blowing up these trivial little comments into something bigger.
Heres what Varitek said "As far as defending what work that I have to do and I do in the offseason and be able to still be a father, I don’t need to boast. I know what work I do and I know how hard I work and I don’t have to worry about what someone else does.”"
Ouch, theres a real zinger. How dare Varitek say that he doesnt need to boast about his workouts. :dunno:
Then theres Arroyo. "“The (July) 24th incident and knocking the ball out of my hand, I think had a lot to do with people’s perception of the way he plays the game. I think people could perceive him as a little bit of a dirty player and not as likable as maybe he once was.”
“When I hit him, I thought he was out of line just because I wasn’t throwing at him,” Arroyo said. “But as far as the play at first base, I wouldn’t fault him for it. You do what you’ve got to do to try to win.”
Arroyo sure is layin down the smack. :evil:
Just because others have said worse doesn't negate what Varitek or Arroyo said.
How about these guys not saying anything? Or, at most, saying something innocuous like Timlin did?
Your new team captain, the heart and soul of the Red Sox, should be above sticking in the sly little reference to A-Rod's line about his training schedule. Of all Red Sox players, he should do his best to stay above the fray.
But nope. The Masked Man has to get his petty little digs in. Sad.
ARod had a problem when he got hit before. Arroyo doesn't think he should have had a problem when he got hit before. Arroyo says he expects no problems, unless ARod gets hit again.
So what?
That HBP pitch was likely a set-up, and even in the unlikely event that it wasn't, it was the best thing that happened to the Sox.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 01:15 AM
ARod had a problem when he got hit before. Arroyo doesn't think he should have had a problem when he got hit before. Arroyo says he expects no problems, unless ARod gets hit again.
So what?
The point is he said "If I do". Why would you say that? Why would you, as a Red Sox pitcher, even intimate the possiblity that you could hit a Yankee batter? That's my beef. He sounded close to saying it could happen......and I don't mean "could" as in accidental, either.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 01:15 AM
What kind of comment do you expect from a first-year Red Sock? "The Yankees are a great team. I can't wait to go up against them and I hope that I will do well for the fans of Boston." If they said that it wouldn't make the papers.
That's EXACTLY what we'd expect to hear and are used to hearing from OUR players, save for a comment or two by Sheff, who's on another planet, much like Schilling. If you're confused as to what Yankee fans mean by "class" and why it's used so often, this is the perfect example.
cubswin
02-20-05, 01:16 AM
That HBP pitch was likely a set-up, and even in the unlikely event that it wasn't, it was the best thing that happened to the Sox.
No need to get into whether it was intentional, except that I disagree.
Not sure how much it did for the Sox, though. I think it was another week or two before they started playing well.
cubswin
02-20-05, 01:18 AM
The point is he said "If I do". Why would you say that? Why would you, as a Red Sox pitcher, even intimate the possiblity that you could hit a Yankee batter? That's my beef. He sounded close to saying it could happen......and I don't mean "could" as in accidental, either.
And this all rests on you deciding to eliminate the possibility of it being accidental.
Of course he could hit him. Look at Arroyo's # of HBP. ARod had an unusual reaction to getting hit, so it wouldn't be shocking to think he could have the reaction if hit again by the same pitcher.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 01:19 AM
What I'm guessing is that Francona will care when it's time to get to wrok. We'll see. (And Ortiz and Ramirez are "loudmouths"?)
Manny I love, so no. Ortiz can join that overused "classless" bunch that I'm also guilty of using, because I can't find a more apt description. If you saw the game with the cups on his ears, you'd understand where I'm coming from.
cubswin
02-20-05, 01:19 AM
That's EXACTLY what we'd expect to hear and are used to hearing from OUR players, save for a comment or two by Sheff, who's on another planet, much like Schilling. If you're confused as to what Yankee fans mean by "class" and why it's used so often, this is the perfect example.
Except that's not class -- it's just not stirring up what the team views as negative PR or fodder for the other team. Has nothing (necessarily) to do with class or character.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 01:20 AM
And this all rests on you deciding to eliminate the possibility of it being accidental.
Of course he could hit him. Look at Arroyo's # of HBP. ARod had an unusual reaction to getting hit, so it wouldn't be shocking to think he could have the reaction if hit again by the same pitcher.
I don't think that it was accidental. The Sox were struggling, it was the Yankees.....you can put it together.
No need to get into whether it was intentional, except that I disagree.
Not sure how much it did for the Sox, though. I think it was another week or two before they started playing well.
That game was on July 24th? The Sox won six out of the next nine including that game.
A number of Sox players, and iirc, Theo, credited that game with saving their serendipitous season.
No need to get into whether it was intentional, except that I disagree.
Not sure how much it did for the Sox, though. I think it was another week or two before they started playing well.
Well, they won that game and the next against the Yanks, so I think it helped a bunch even if that was all it did. If the Yanks had swept them again, who knows if Kellog would have even had a chance to fix the ALCS.
cubswin
02-20-05, 01:21 AM
... Ortiz can join that overused "classless" bunch that I'm also guilty of using, because I can't find a more apt description. If you saw the game with the cups on his ears, you'd understand where I'm coming from.
If you want to call him classless for that, I can see it, but not a loudmouth.
I don't know if I've hear more than a dozen words out his mouth. Not really a quote machine.
Soriambi
02-20-05, 01:21 AM
Mantei gives A-Rod a back-handed compliment:
http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20050220_20rsoxjo.2065ae8.html
"I played (Class) A ball with A-Rod. A couple of years later I saw him and he didn't know who I was. He big-timed me. But he does a lot of chairty work, so I have nothing to say against him," he added.
If A-rod legitimately forgot him, would he have rather A-rod pretended he knew who he was? It is kind of weird that A-rod would forget a teammate, though. (Not saying anything against him, I just get the impression that these guys remember most of the guys they play baseball with.) Maybe they only played together for a few games or something?
I thought that Mantei's quote was out of line, as I don't see how the Yankees have any more big egos than any other baseball team, and they generally have nothing but glowing things to say about opponents (with a few exceptions, obviously.)
I also thought Arroyo's comment was unneccesary. I don't know why he'd say that.
I did not have any problem whatsoever with Timlin's comment, and Wakefield and Foulke's comments were refreshing. :)
cubswin
02-20-05, 01:21 AM
I don't think that it was accidental. The Sox were struggling, it was the Yankees.....you can put it together.
Not going to take the bait.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 01:24 AM
I read the community standards the first day I joined and have had adhered to them. If you can be sarcastic then so can I, don't take offense to it. Don't expect special treatment because you're a Yankee fan and have been posting here more often.
This comment that you made came dangerously close to not adhering to CS:
Oh my goodness its a rational Yankee fan. A well formed opinion that considers the big picture and formulates a sensical conclusion. Someone let the mods know so we can kick him off of the board.
cubswin
02-20-05, 01:24 AM
That game was on July 24th? The Sox won six out of the next nine including that game.
A number of Sox players, and iirc, Theo, credited that game with saving their serendipitous season.
Interesting -- I thought they had started playing well in August. Maybe it did, then... I kinda hope it was intentional now... :)
Interesting -- I thought they had started playing well in August. Maybe it did, then... I kinda hope it was intentional now... :)
No need to hope.
cubswin
02-20-05, 01:25 AM
Well, they won that game and the next against the Yanks, so I think it helped a bunch even if that was all it did. ...
That would be true, too, though Rich points out that they actually did start playing well at that time.
Interesting -- I thought they had started playing well in August. Maybe it did, then... I kinda hope it was intentional now... :)
It pretty clearly was.
cubswin
02-20-05, 01:26 AM
No need to hope.
I'm not going to get into it, so I'll pm you (and Buzah) the 1 question I have.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 01:26 AM
Not going to take the bait.
I wasn't trying to bait you, I was only stating my opinion.
Yanks27in05
02-20-05, 01:30 AM
This comments are a bit out of hand, I'd like some Yankee players besides Womack to have a little fun with them
Rich I have to correct you, the fight did nothing to uprise the Red Sox, I remember because I argued with someone it had nothing to do with their getting better
they played 500 for two weeks after the fight, they were 5-5 after it and once they made the trades is when they went on a hot streak
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 01:32 AM
This comments are a bit out of hand, I'd like some Yankee players besides Womack to have a little fun with them
Rich I have to correct you, the fight did nothing to uprise the Red Sox, I remember because I argued with someone it had nothing to do with their getting better
they played 500 for two weeks after the fight, they were 5-5 after it and once they made the trades is when they went on a hot streak
I don't want the Yankees to say anything in response. I'd rather they keep their mouths closed.
This comments are a bit out of hand, I'd like some Yankee players besides Womack to have a little fun with them
Rich I have to correct you, the fight did nothing to uprise the Red Sox, I remember because I argued with someone it had nothing to do with their getting better
they played 500 for two weeks after the fight, they were 5-5 after it and once they made the trades is when they went on a hot streak
Was the fight on July 24th?
Yanks27in05
02-20-05, 01:36 AM
Yes. And they went 5-5 after it. They never "took off" untill nearly Mid-August, a little earlier. I had an argument with someone proving the "fight" didn't somehow make their players play better. None of this stuff does. You don't just play better because people say things, these guys are giving it 100% every Red Sox/Yankee game
Yes. And they went 5-5 after it. They never "took off" untill nearly Mid-August, a little earlier. I had an argument with someone proving the "fight" didn't somehow make their players play better. None of this stuff does. You don't just play better because people say things, these guys are giving it 100% every Red Sox/Yankee game
July 24 W
July 25 W
July 26 W
July 28 L
July 30 W
July 31 L
Aug 1 L
Aug 2 W
Aug 3 W
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?statsId=5731
yeahimweird
02-20-05, 01:42 AM
Good god, it's not even a week into Spring Training and all this crap is being spewed already.
I can't wait for the season to start, because all this yapping from the Sox is already beyond ridiculous.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 01:45 AM
Good god, it's not even a week into Spring Training and all this crap is being spewed already.
I can't wait for the season to start, because all this yapping from the Sox is already beyond ridiculous.
That's O.K. because it'll make the punishment they receive that much more satisfying to the Yankee fans and the Yankees themselves.
Even after they accomplish this you'll see the Yankess go about their business like gentlemen for the most part. Much credit goes to Torre for upholding the "Yankee way."
Yanks27in05
02-20-05, 01:47 AM
That's creative Rich, and you counted July 24th I did not, and you did not count the last game and I did
AFTER the fight game, they went 5-5 in their next ten. That's a fact. They didn't play harder against Tampa Bay and Detroit and Baltimore (the teams they only played 500 against) because of a fight against NY. It just doesn't happen in baseball, don't give it that much credit.
That's creative Rich, and you counted July 24th I did not, and you did not count the last game and I did
AFTER the fight game, they went 5-5 in their next ten. That's a fact. They didn't play harder against Tampa Bay and Detroit and Baltimore (the teams they only played 500 against) because of a fight against NY. It just doesn't happen in baseball, don't give it that much credit.
Creative or not, I fully disclosed my counting method in my original post:
That game was on July 24th? The Sox won six out of the next nine including that game.
A number of Sox players, and iirc, Theo, credited that game with saving their serendipitous season.
That's O.K. because it'll make the punishment they receive that much more satisfying to the Yankee fans and the Yankees themselves.
Even after they accomplish this you'll see the Yankess go about their business like gentlemen for the most part. Much credit goes to Torre for upholding the "Yankee way."
Knocking off the Sox would have been easier with Beltran in CF.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 01:54 AM
Knocking off the Sox would have been easier with Beltran in CF.
No argument here, because I wanted Beltran as well. I guess we'll have to work harder to punish them but I sense that we will. And I agree that these kinds of "motivators" can have a profound effect on the end result.
Yanks27in05
02-20-05, 01:54 AM
I'm kind of surprised everyone is taking this Torre keeping them quiet respectful approach. I want some shots fired back. Don't act like the Yankees can not or never have. We have to go no further back than last year for examples
I think it only makes things more interesting and fun. It's a long year, settle in.
Rich, the way you worded it still suggests you did not count the July 24th game. Either way in the ten games following that game they STILL played 500 ball. I hate hearing Sox fans saying that "propelled them" for the season. The trades did more than anything it seems. Did The Sox get more motivated after Game 3 in 2003? No, the Yankees played better to win, that's all it is, the outside stuff is entertainment, what happens on the field determines who wins, nothing more.
I typed "including that game."
How could it be any clearer?
bleachersown
02-20-05, 01:56 AM
If you can't see how out of line, stupid and classless the statement was......I have nothing else to say to you.
FWIW, I was waiting for another Sox fan to come along and defend it.
Exactly...I seriously cannot wait till they start losing. If so, it'll be a long summer at Fenway with a classless ballclub. Way to represent the title of 'World Champions' by being spoiled winners.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 01:57 AM
I'm kind of surprised everyone is taking this Torre keeping them quiet respectful approach. I want some shots fired back.
Why give the Sox fodder to motivate them as well. Thus far it's a clear advantage to the Yankees. Plus, they'll look that much better after they teach the Sox a lesson that the game is played on the field, unless one prefers loudmouths.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 02:00 AM
I typed "including that game."
How could it be any clearer?
Why wouldn't you include that game!? It's obvious that he's just juggling the numbers to come up with a 5-5 record to prove his point.
Yanks27in05
02-20-05, 02:04 AM
LOL Rich! You didn't have to edit it, it's no big deal man (you intially had they went such and such AFTER the fight). The proof is in the facts. They played 500 for almost two weeks after the fight, don't give them more credit than they deserve. And don't take it too seriously. Like I said, the Game 3 situation didn't motivate them to win, you just can't do that in baseball. It's not a game built on emotion like football. Too much emotion is more likely bad than good in baseball.
Dooly, is it a big difference between 6-5 and 5-5? You can say 6-5 against Tampa Detroit and Baltimore, no big difference, i could careless either way you go
IncredibleByNature
02-20-05, 02:08 AM
Who the f*ck is Matt Mantei?
For reals. I mean, Matt Mantei? Seriously? :lol:
LOL Rich! You didn't have to edit it, it's no big deal man (you intially had they went such and such AFTER the fight). The proof is in the facts. They played 500 for almost two weeks after the fight, don't give them more credit than they deserve. And don't take it too seriously. Like I said, the Game 3 situation didn't motivate them to win, you just can't do that in baseball. It's not a game built on emotion like football. Too much emotion is more likely bad than good in baseball.
Dooly, is it a big difference between 6-5 and 5-5? You can say 6-5 against Tampa Detroit and Baltimore, no big difference, i could careless either way you go
WTF are you talking about.
I didn't edit anything.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 02:12 AM
For reals. I mean, Matt Mantei? Seriously? :lol:
Not for anything, but if he regains his health, and stays healthy for a season (which is rare with him) the Sox got a steal because he's nasty. As a person, he's obviously lacking in the brains and class departments.
And how the heck are ya anyway?! :) Nice to see you
stevethesoxfan
02-20-05, 02:18 AM
Torre wouldn't put up with it. I'm pretty sure Steinbrenner wouldn't either.
Gary Sheffield is a steroid user who "didn't know" he was using them, or so he told a Grand Jury. Yeah, right.
Kevin Brown has the maturity of a two year old punching a wall during a temper tantrum and in doing so damages his health and pitches horrendously in the ALCS, killing his team's chances to advance to the World Series.
Randy Johnson, on his FIRST day as a Yankee, gets into a confrontation with a reporter, grabbing his equipment and threatening him.
Jason Giambi told the world for a year that he was steroid free, when in fact he was lying to his team and the NY fans.
Johnson says "bring it on!" to the Sox.
Rodriguez comments about how his work ethic is superior to others who are taking their kids to school instead of working out in the AM like he is.
Before Game 7 of the ALCS, the Yankees drag out Yogi Berra and Bucky Dent (!!!) in as lame a stunt as could possibly be imagined to rub in the dreaded "curse".
Yes, you are all correct. The Yankees are much, much classier than the Sox. :barf: Thank god you have Steinbrenner (the convicted felon who was banned from baseball) and Torre to rein them in.
When will you all admit that every team has a mix of quiet people and loud people, good people and bad people, rule followers and rule breakers? When will Epstein's and others' positive comments about the Yankees be highlighted here, or is that just going to keep getting swept under the rug so that you can focus on the negative?
I love the Red Sox, but I realize that they are not all choirboys. It would be mature of Yankee fans to admit that their players are not "better", holier-than-thou angels either. Continuing to preach otherwise gives credence to Mantei's comments about big Yankee egos.
IncredibleByNature
02-20-05, 02:22 AM
Not for anything, but if he regains his health, and stays healthy for a season (which is rare with him) the Sox got a steal because he's nasty. As a person, he's obviously lacking in the brains and class departments.
And how the heck are ya anyway?! :) Nice to see you
Yeah, if he manages to get & stay healthy, he could be a very good deal for them, but regardless, I don't see who he is to be talking and making such stupid statements. Schilling, Wells, etc., that's one thing, but Matt Mantei? Gimmie a break.
And I'm alright, Dools. Nice to see you too. :)
Yanks27in05
02-20-05, 02:22 AM
"Torre wouldn't put up with it. I'm pretty sure Steinbrenner wouldn't either."
Can we stop this guys? Torre shot back at Wells already and Steinbrenner was the one talking quite a bit last Spring training and year, and the year before, etc. Do we have that short of memories. I want them to fire back. I want to hear Henry is a scarecrow and Lucchino is a clown, etc. Why change now?
Gary Sheffield is a steroid user who "didn't know" he was using them, or so he told a Grand Jury. Yeah, right.
Kevin Brown has the maturity of a two year old punching a wall during a temper tantrum and in doing so damages his health and pitches horrendously in the ALCS, killing his team's chances to advance to the World Series.
Randy Johnson, on his FIRST day as a Yankee, gets into a confrontation with a reporter, grabbing his equipment and threatening him.
Jason Giambi told the world for a year that he was steroid free, when in fact he was lying to his team and the NY fans.
Johnson says "bring it on!" to the Sox.
Rodriguez comments about how his work ethic is superior to others who are taking their kids to school instead of working out in the AM like he is.
Before Game 7 of the ALCS, the Yankees drag out Yogi Berra and Bucky Dent (!!!) in as lame a stunt as could possibly be imagined to rub in the dreaded "curse".
Yes, you are all correct. The Yankees are much, much classier than the Sox. :barf: Thank god you have Steinbrenner (the convicted felon who was banned from baseball) and Torre to rein them in.
When will you all admit that every team has a mix of quiet people and loud people, good people and bad people, rule followers and rule breakers? When will Epstein's and others' positive comments about the Yankees be highlighted here, or is that just going to keep getting swept under the rug so that you can focus on the negative?
I love the Red Sox, but I realize that they are not all choirboys. It would be mature of Yankee fans to admit that their players are not "better", holier-than-thou angels either. Continuing to preach otherwise gives credence to Mantei's comments about big Yankee egos.
Virtually everything on your list relates to private behavior, and in any case has nothing to do with dissing the Sox. So your analogies are inapt.
IncredibleByNature
02-20-05, 02:29 AM
Randy Johnson, on his FIRST day as a Yankee, gets into a confrontation with a reporter, grabbing his equipment and threatening him.
Johnson says "bring it on!" to the Sox.
Before Game 7 of the ALCS, the Yankees drag out Yogi Berra and Bucky Dent (!!!) in as lame a stunt as could possibly be imagined to rub in the dreaded "curse".
Yes, you are all correct. The Yankees are much, much classier than the Sox. :barf: Thank god you have Steinbrenner (the convicted felon who was banned from baseball) and Torre to rein them in.
A cameraman was bugging Randy and he asked him to leave him alone and when he didn't, he well, took matters into his own hands. Yeah, it's something he's gonna have to get used to out here in re: to how the media can be, but how does this incident tie in w/ the rest of the stuff you listed here? Also, RJ's "bring it on" comment wasn't serious or anything. And yeah, I wouldn't have cared if a Sox player had said "bring it on" to the Yankees either, so I'm not being bias in this case.
What's the big deal w/ Yogi & Bucky?
Also, why did you mention Torre? I understand you mentioning George, but why Joe?
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 02:32 AM
Gary Sheffield is a steroid user who "didn't know" he was using them, or so he told a Grand Jury. Yeah, right.
Kevin Brown has the maturity of a two year old punching a wall during a temper tantrum and in doing so damages his health and pitches horrendously in the ALCS, killing his team's chances to advance to the World Series.
In-house and irrelevant to what we are discussing here. We are claiming that the Sox are classless with they way they are carrying themselves as champs; their comments, bravado, and trashing of other players. Prior to this Sox team, publicly bad-mouthing an opposing player was almost unheard of, especially to the extent that the Sox do it.
Randy Johnson, on his FIRST day as a Yankee, gets into a confrontation with a reporter, grabbing his equipment and threatening him.
Again, irrelevant to the discussion. See above
Jason Giambi told the world for a year that he was steroid free, when in fact he was lying to his team and the NY fans.
Irrelevant to the discussion. He's hurt nobody but himself.
Johnson says "bring it on!" to the Sox.
PLEASE!! Not only are you taking a snippet of what he said, but it's out of context. RJ basically said he does his talking on the field and not in the papers when asked to comment on the Sox classless BS.
Rodriguez comments about how his work ethic is superior to others who are taking their kids to school instead of working out in the AM like he is.
Borderline and not the smartest thing to say, though I believe he was stressing his workout routine and used a metaphor and did not single anyone out.
Before Game 7 of the ALCS, the Yankees drag out Yogi Berra and Bucky Dent (!!!) in as lame a stunt as could possibly be imagined to rub in the dreaded "curse".
They are Yankee icons "dragged out" on many occasions. Pales in comparison to the the Sox writing "Lilly" in chalk on their backs and standing on the top step so the equally classless fans could taunt Lilly. How about the redneck, yahoo Millar doing The Boss on the big screen as a rallying call?
Yes, you are all correct. The Yankees are much, much classier than the Sox. :barf: Thank god you have Steinbrenner (the convicted felon who was banned from baseball) and Torre to rein them in.
John Henry's fraudulent insurance claims impacted more innocent people than what our felon did. Lucchino is another person dripping with "class" :lol:
yeahimweird
02-20-05, 02:36 AM
That's O.K. because it'll make the punishment they receive that much more satisfying to the Yankee fans and the Yankees themselves.
Even after they accomplish this you'll see the Yankess go about their business like gentlemen for the most part. Much credit goes to Torre for upholding the "Yankee way."
I'm drooling at the thought. :drool:
Yanks27in05
02-20-05, 02:37 AM
Man, you all have thin skin
Are you guys related to these players? You are taking it so personal. This is nothing but fun, now it's the Yanks turn to say a few things and then let the REAL games begin at the Stadium!!
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 02:41 AM
Man, you all have thin skin
Are you guys related to these players? You are taking it so personal. This is nothing but fun, now it's the Yanks turn to say a few things and then let the REAL games begin at the Stadium!!
You are taking our reactions and comments so personal. Are you related to us?
Dynasties R Forever
02-20-05, 02:43 AM
Your boss and professors are in control of you? What kind of job do you have / school do you attend?
(I already gave my guess re. Francona. We'll see in, what, 10 days or so?)
He probably has the same kind of job everyone else has. The kind where you listen to what that boss tells you to do or you're fired.
Man, you all have thin skin
Are you guys related to these players? You are taking it so personal. This is nothing but fun, now it's the Yanks turn to say a few things and then let the REAL games begin at the Stadium!!
You distorted my posts, and you have the temerity to tell other people how to be fans? Go away.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 02:45 AM
You distorted my posts, and you have the temerity to tell other people how to be fans? Go away.
He may have no other choice, unless calling us thin-skinned is acceptable.
manhattanclam
02-20-05, 02:46 AM
Man, you all have thin skin
Are you guys related to these players? You are taking it so personal. This is nothing but fun, now it's the Yanks turn to say a few things and then let the REAL games begin at the Stadium!!
Thank you Yanks27in05.......For Chrissakes, they just plain don't like the Yankees and they don't mind saying so. Lots of folks agree with them, wherever you go . It's what makes us special. Lighten up everyone
Thank you Yanks27in05.......For Chrissakes, they just plain don't like the Yankees and they don't mind saying so. Lots of folks agree with them, wherever you go . It's what makes us special. Lighten up everyone
No one is telling you what to do. Don't tell us what to do. It's incredibly obnoxious.
manhattanclam
02-20-05, 02:54 AM
No one is telling you what to do. Don't tell us what to do. It's incredibly obnoxious.
"Lighten up everybody" is incrdibly obnoxious? Did somebody mention thin-skinned?
"Lighten up everybody" is incrdibly obnoxious? Did somebody mention thin-skinned?
You're trying to tell other people how to be fans. That is presumptuous and arrogant.
Circle Change
02-20-05, 03:00 AM
No Red Sox/Yankees ALCS this season. :)
Pancake
02-20-05, 03:01 AM
It's sad. Who is in control of these people?
I think that guy over at Boston Dirt Dogs. ;)
or Vince McMahon
Pancake
02-20-05, 03:03 AM
So which Red Sox player will be next to offer his 2 cents.....
Does BYK speak English yet?
Dynasties R Forever
02-20-05, 03:06 AM
Does BYK speak English yet?
He can probably say "Yankees suck" to any reporter who will listen.
Dooley Womack
02-20-05, 03:11 AM
He can probably say "Yankees suck" to any reporter who will listen.
I'd rather he just continue hating on the Sox fans and flip them the bird a few more times. He's the modern day Ted Williams in that regard.
Yanks27in05
02-20-05, 03:50 AM
Rich sorry, I guess I just don't take athletes quotes as serious as you. No insult intended, take care, big day tommorow...or actually today now!
flutie22
02-20-05, 03:58 AM
So which Red Sox player will be next to offer his 2 cents, Doug Mirabelli or Dave McCarty?
Mirabelli hits bombs
EdRuane
02-20-05, 04:33 AM
Mirabelli hits bombs
He does it with his mask off, too...
:evil:
hardrain
02-20-05, 04:39 AM
Has Ramon Vasquez chimed in yet?
nhyankeefan
02-20-05, 05:48 AM
At this rate, the Sox are fast eclipsing the Yanks as the "team that no one else likes". I think it's true that last year all non-Yankee fans rooted for the Sox and I doubt that will be the case this year. As far as Francona goes, I believe he was quoted that he will discuss the issue with all his players once they report, probably in a day or two.
I do hope the Yanks don't respond in the papers, just go out and beat them. That's the best way for them to make their point.
YankeePride1967
02-20-05, 07:18 AM
Heres a gem from mike timlin.
"The Yankees will always be the Yankees. But they are a normal baseball team that happens to have 'NY' on their chests. It's not a red 'S,' " he said, referring to the Superman logo. "If it were a red 'S' in a diamond I'd be worried."
I have no problem with that quote, I don't find that insulting or negative in the least.
YankeePride1967
02-20-05, 07:28 AM
I'm kind of surprised everyone is taking this Torre keeping them quiet respectful approach. I want some shots fired back. Don't act like the Yankees can not or never have. We have to go no further back than last year for examples
I think it only makes things more interesting and fun. It's a long year, settle in.
Rich, the way you worded it still suggests you did not count the July 24th game. Either way in the ten games following that game they STILL played 500 ball. I hate hearing Sox fans saying that "propelled them" for the season. The trades did more than anything it seems. Did The Sox get more motivated after Game 3 in 2003? No, the Yankees played better to win, that's all it is, the outside stuff is entertainment, what happens on the field determines who wins, nothing more.
When someone or several people are getting in the mud, I think it's best to stay above it and out of the mud. I hope the current sound of crickets coming out of Tampa continues.
YankeePride1967
02-20-05, 07:31 AM
I typed "including that game."
How could it be any clearer?
I think counting July 24 is very valid as at the time of the incident, the Sox were trailing.
BeantownYankee
02-20-05, 07:52 AM
My question is this: Where is Terry Francona? I mean, why isn't he telling his players to STFU? Is there no such thing as "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" in their locker room?
I can bet you dollars to doughnuts that if the Yankees were doing this, Torre would have their asses in a headlock.
They say the fish rots from the head down.....You would think the owners would want their organization viewed as having class...but they support the we're all a bunch of idiots theme...and why not it's true...except I would call them morons instead or idiots.....it is sad how the Yankees are so entrenched in the minds of the red sox owners, players, and fans...that even winning doesn't remove it from their thoughts.....
Espinosa's Glasses
02-20-05, 08:01 AM
Is this a serious question, or rhetorical?
What the hell do you think?
cubswin
02-20-05, 08:04 AM
What the hell do you think?
I had no idea (obviously).
YankeePride1967
02-20-05, 08:05 AM
I had no idea (obviously).
I'm pretty sure it was rhetorical.
cubswin
02-20-05, 08:07 AM
I'm pretty sure it was rhetorical.
She said so after I asked -- so I'm not sure why Espinosa decided to chime in now, hours later.
cubswin
02-20-05, 08:08 AM
What the hell do you think?
and btw, somebody else actually answered the question
great contribution to the thread, though...
The spin job is you trying to read far more into it than there is. "Basic human decency"? Whatever.
You've hit it on the head again, though -- you identify more personally w/the Yanks than I do with the Sox or any sports team. Sorry -- there's nothing that a baseball player can do that would cause me to feel shame. Similarly, they aren't going to make feel good about myself. They are millionaires playing a game. Maybe you don't realize that, or maybe I'm just jaded.
So we understand each other then. I care about how my team carries itself, and I derive pride from their history of class as a champion. You do not. With that understanding, why do you try to counter everything I say since you already understand where I am coming from? I know where YOU are coming from, and I really am not trying to convince you to change your position, so why waste your time telling me that there is something wrong with me because I can derive pride, shame, or any other sentiment from my team? There are plenty of people on both sides of the rivalry who feel the way as I do about their team. You are clearly not one of them. You have made your point. Now please move on to a topic that interests you.
Something tells me that with all of the mouths that are in the Red Sox clubhouse, and with their current atmosphere of outspokenness, it will not take too many losses in a row for them to turn and start mouthing off about each other. Especially if the Yankees come out strong against them in the opening series'.
I just can't wait for it to happen. There were hints of it last year when they were sleepwalking through the first part of the season. You know the boston media will be all over it. I can see wells and shilling being the first participants- how glorious will that be for yankee fans?
This is a situation where Joes' skills shine. Despite his bad in game decisions and misuse of the pitching staff, he would never let a situation like this develop on our squad.
There was early talk of Francona being on the hot seat last year. If they underperform and thing get testy, the pressure will ratchet up quickly.
nhyankeefan
02-20-05, 08:19 AM
I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this, but what really bothers me about Mantei's comments is this :
You've got to have a clubhouse where everybody gets along and really wants to battle for each other and win," Mantei said. "It might be what they're lacking. There are a lot of big egos, a lot of big guys in that clubhouse. Everybody is here for the same purpose, to play for each other. They're not here to play for themselves."
He's been there a day and he already knows how the Red Sox clubhouse operates and what may be wrong w/ the Yanks. I hope Wells doesn't get upset that he included himself in w/ the Sox before he won a title there. That's obviously important to him.
http://www.nypost.com/sports/40857.htm
cubswin
02-20-05, 08:22 AM
So we understand each other then. I care about how my team carries itself, and I derive pride from their history of class as a champion. You do not. ... Now please move on to a topic that interests you.
Because until now, you had not admitted that. (and don't try to act superior, since you apparently were doiung the same thing with your posts, except that you understood where I was coming from)
Don't tell me what to do, though.
deranged2005
02-20-05, 08:29 AM
As about a million other people have asked, as well as our boy Pedro Martinez..
"Who is Matt Mantei? Who?"
I can't wait till the regular season starts, when these guys are more concerned with winning games than running their mouths.
YankeePride1967
02-20-05, 08:32 AM
Anyone that believes the silly notion that you have to have excellent clubhouse chemistry to win need look no further than the 72-74 A's or the 77-78 Yankees. And now obviously the 89 A's.
Yanks Lifer
02-20-05, 08:33 AM
Yes, Mantei now has 'Sox flu". Schilling, Nixon, Boomer and now Mantei suffering from diarrhea of the mouth. Somebody get Matt on the phone because I want to tell him I LIKE THE YANKEES!!!!!. And maybe somebody should remind him that instead of spouting off he should concentrate on doing some meaningful pitching, something that hasn't come out of his arm in years!!!! &po'd&
Rudeness and disrespect to somebody who you dislike and have no respect for is honest, if not necessarily diplomatic. I consider honesty one of the few things integral to character. Tact is a secondary characteristic, at best.
Well, thanks for this post as it helps us understand more clearly where you're coming from. YOu consider honesty, regardless of how it affects others in your life ,to be the cardinal virtue. Tact is barely worth mentioning. I don't know where to start. Think of the implications if the whole world acted based on those principals. Dipolmatic solutions to political problems wouldn't be possible. The Palistineans are "correct" in their repeated contempt for the Isrealis and by logical extension are virtuous because they choose terrorism over negotiation.
You're the guy who, when his wife asks if she looks fat in this dress, says "hell yes"
It is certainly a way of life that does make confrontation almost a constant. Tact and honesty don't have to be mutually exclusive.
cubswin
02-20-05, 08:41 AM
Well, thanks for this post as it helps us understand more clearly where you're coming from. YOu consider honesty, regardless of how it affects others in your life ,to be the cardinal virtue. Tact is barely worth mentioning. I don't know where to start. Think of the implications if the whole world acted based on those principals. Dipolmatic solutions to political problems wouldn't be possible. The Palistineans are "correct" in their repeated contempt for the Isrealis and by logical extension are virtuous because they choose terrorism over negotiation.
You're the guy who, when his wife asks if she looks fat in this dress, says "hell yes"
It is certainly a way of life that does make confrontation almost a constant. Tact and honesty don't have to be mutually exclusive.
As seems to be the theme in this thread, you took what I said and went far too far.
First, I didn't say tact is barely worth mentioning. I said that, w/regard to character, tact is secondary at best. In other words, one's tact (or lack thereof) is not critical to them being a good person.
Second, I did not say honesty is the cardinal virtue. I said that, as pertains to character, honesty is one of the few key virtues.
Third, your examples are terrible. Proper handling of a conflict b/t nations, for example, is not exactly a close substitute for personal character, is it? Ditto for how to handle a loaded question from one's wife.
Mantei probably just wants to curry favor with the Boston fans by coming out swinging. He recognizes that his perpetual state of injury and salary vacuum does not earn him the respect of most in baseball so he is resorting to the lowest common denominator of silly insults and put-downs. I think someone should remind him of his ERA last season; becoming a better player should be a higher priority than throwing petty language at another team.
Yankee Bulldawg
02-20-05, 09:08 AM
who the he** is Matt Mantei to open his mouth, this is just as classless as Trout Nixon.
yanksrule51
02-20-05, 09:22 AM
It seems new Yankees try to fit in by playing well and new Red Sox try to fit in with cute quotes for the media.
Wow, I'm a little late to this party.
Two things that caught my eye:
The 2005 Boston Red Sox: The most classless champions in the history of team sports.
I'll take that and I'm sure other Sox fans will, too. Back-to-Back sounds good to me. ;)
All this talk just proves, A.) It's always about the Yankees and B.) The inferiority complex is still in tact. It's kind of pathetic actually.
5 pages so far on a fringe-reliever on the Red Sox? It goes both ways. JK, it's not even Opening Day yet. We all need to relax.
sharoncass
02-20-05, 09:39 AM
My question is this: Where is Terry Francona? I mean, why isn't he telling his players to STFU? Is there no such thing as "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" in their locker room?
I can bet you dollars to doughnuts that if the Yankees were doing this, Torre would have their asses in a headlock.
Francona is there becuse Schilling wanted him. He seems to be a figure head with the players running the show.
sharoncass
02-20-05, 09:46 AM
Well, this makes SIX Red Sox in the past week or so to talk to the media about the Yankees (team or individual player) & say something negative. It's past annoying now...it's laughable and pathetic.
Either the Red Sox don't have a PR department or it's run by Larry Lucchino.
BTW, I actually didn't mind Timlin's quote earlier in the thread. It conveyed the way he felt about the Yankees -- they're good, but they're not Supermen -- without slamming them or making it personal in any way.
I was listening to 1050 ESPN radio this morning and Buster Olney was talking about the Red Sox and Yankees throwing insults back and forth. WHAT??? The Yankees have said nothing about the Red Sox. Do these guys even read what they write?
WTrain44
02-20-05, 09:51 AM
This is actually becoming comical. Boston wins the series, the Yankees lose, but it's the Sox doing the yapping.
Clemens was right. They still have to have to be miserable about something up there in Baahston.
As seems to be the theme in this thread, you took what I said and went far too far.
First, I didn't say tact is barely worth mentioning. I said that, w/regard to character, tact is secondary at best. In other words, one's tact (or lack thereof) is not critical to them being a good person.
Second, I did not say honesty is the cardinal virtue. I said that, as pertains to character, honesty is one of the few key virtues.
Third, your examples are terrible. Proper handling of a conflict b/t nations, for example, is not exactly a close substitute for personal character, is it? Ditto for how to handle a loaded question from one's wife.
You seem to imply that character is somehow differnt than the peoples actions. I would submit that peoples actions is what determines their character.
I believe I was correct in assesing the implications of you post, but regardless, I don't think it's worth posting more about for either of us
sharoncass
02-20-05, 09:55 AM
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to tell you what to do. It just seems that the general fan base has gotten overly touchy over comments that have been made. What kind of comment do you expect from a first-year Red Sock? "The Yankees are a great team. I can't wait to go up against them and I hope that I will do well for the fans of Boston." If they said that it wouldn't make the papers.
Actually that's exactly what I would expect from a Championship team. The Yankees have been there plenty of times before and NEVER trashed their opponents, not even the Red Sox. They called the Red Sox a great team plenty of times, even when they've beaten them.
sharoncass
02-20-05, 09:59 AM
Hey, that's amazingly close to an analogy I once posted here! That's hilarious........I'll have to find it.
Edit: Found it...take a look at how we think alike regarding this:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?p=1913036&highlight=lottery#post1913036
:) :) The Beverly Hillbillies. :D :D
sharoncass
02-20-05, 10:01 AM
He said "If I do". Why would you even leave the door open like that?
Didn't Clemens get fined for saying something similar about Barry Bonds?
BillBuckner
02-20-05, 10:01 AM
What a tool.
Actually that's exactly what I would expect from a Championship team. The Yankees have been there plenty of times before and NEVER trashed their opponents, not even the Red Sox. They called the Red Sox a great team plenty of times, even when they've beaten them.
I would submit that the Yankees hadn't been in a rivalry like this since at least the 70's when it was the Sox. When the Yankees won in the late 1990's, the rivalry wasn't close to what it is now. Take away everything that has happened this offseason and it's still a white-hot rivalry.
Mantei, I believe, is the first to mention the Yankees as a team. Others have ripped A-Rod while (yeah, I know, we went through this already, but...) praising the team and what the Yankees represent.
yanksphan
02-20-05, 10:10 AM
Here's a change of pace...
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/bos/news/bos_news.jsp?ymd=20050219&content_id=946164&vkey=spt2005news&fext=.jsp
Not that Renteria will be paying much attention to the stat sheet. He is disinterested in glamour. He just likes to put his uniform on and grind it out for nine innings. You'll never find him on the all-quotable team, and that's exactly how Renteria wants it.
"Everything I've got, I'm going to bring to the field every day," Renteria said. "I'm a quiet guy. I don't like to talk much. I get to my position and let everybody do what they have to do. I try and do my job and not say anything. "
And Nixon is worried about ARod not being a "true Yankee"??
How long before Renteria gets sick of the loudmouths he now has to play with and demands a trade? Talk about not fitting in....
YankeePride1967
02-20-05, 10:12 AM
I would submit that the Yankees hadn't been in a rivalry like this since at least the 70's when it was the Sox. When the Yankees won in the late 1990's, the rivalry wasn't close to what it is now. Take away everything that has happened this offseason and it's still a white-hot rivalry.
Mantei, I believe, is the first to mention the Yankees as a team. Others have ripped A-Rod while (yeah, I know, we went through this already, but...) praising the team and what the Yankees represent.
As for saying it's alright to trash A-rod because they praised others is almost like saying if you pat 4 people on the back and punch the 5th, the fact you patted the other 4 on the back makes hitting the 5th okay. I understand that's a bit of a different comparison, but how to get it across. Mantei's statements were no more/less offensive than Schilling/Nixon's or Wells. Whether it's one or all it's the same, classless. I will also throw A-Rod in it for responding to Schilling's initial comments earlier as the same, he should have showed class and not sunk to Schilling's level.
sharoncass
02-20-05, 10:15 AM
Virtually everything on your list relates to private behavior, and in any case has nothing to do with dissing the Sox. So your analogies are inapt.
Especially the old "Steinbrenner is a convicted felon" cry.
MiamiKat
02-20-05, 10:18 AM
Wow
5 pages so far on a fringe-reliever on the Red Sox? It goes both ways. JK, it's not even Opening Day yet. We all need to relax.
I think this thread is really less about Mantei himself and more about the ridiculous way a number of Red Sox players are acting.
It's not just Schilling, who's been badmouthing A-Rod to the media since the World Series. It's not just Wells, who we all know is bitter about being rejected by the Yankees. It's the team captain, Varitek and three other guys too.
That the Red Sox front office hasn't tried to put a stop to this speaks volumes about the way the organization sees their team, the Yankees and the rivalry as a whole. The "Vince McMahon" analogy is pretty right on.
YankeePride1967
02-20-05, 10:20 AM
I think this thread is really less about Mantei himself and more about the ridiculous way a number of Red Sox players are acting.
It's not just Schilling, who's been badmouthing A-Rod to the media since the World Series. It's not just Wells, who we all know is bitter about being rejected by the Yankees. It's the team captain, Varitek and three other guys too.
That the Red Sox front office hasn't tried to put a stop to this speaks volumes about the way the organization sees their team, the Yankees and the rivalry as a whole. The "Vince McMahon" analogy is pretty right on.
I agree, if this was the only thing said, it would have gotten a page or two of chuckles and then disappeared into internet heaven.
As for saying it's alright to trash A-rod because they praised others is almost like saying if you pat 4 people on the back and punch the 5th, the fact you patted the other 4 on the back makes hitting the 5th okay. I understand that's a bit of a different comparison, but how to get it across. Mantei's statements were no more/less offensive than Schilling/Nixon's or Wells. Whether it's one or all it's the same, classless. I will also throw A-Rod in it for responding to Schilling's initial comments earlier as the same, he should have showed class and not sunk to Schilling's level.
I was responding to sharoncass' post that said they were ripping the Yankees. Not true. They ripped a Yankee. Then, Mantei came in and said what he said, but it still holds true: They ripped one person, not the whole team. The fact that the Yankees responded as they did "It's A-Rod's problem... I'm not getting in this mess..." proves that it's not a Red Sox-Yankee thing, it's a Red Sox- A-Rod thing.
As for A-Rod's comments, yeah, he shouldn't have jumped in, but I don't blame him, because he is the target (of Curt's original comments), but what's up with Cashman and others (Mel, maybe?) saying Wells would rather be a Yankee than a Red Sox? That's a little low, no? Especially for people who should know better.
YankeePride1967
02-20-05, 10:23 AM
I was responding to sharoncass' post that said they were ripping the Yankees. Not true. They ripped a Yankee. Then, Mantei came in and said what he said, but it still holds true: They ripped one person, not the whole team. The fact that the Yankees responded as they did "It's A-Rod's problem... I'm not getting in this mess..." proves that it's not a Red Sox-Yankee thing, it's a Red Sox- A-Rod thing.
As for A-Rod's comments, yeah, he shouldn't have jumped in, but I don't blame him, because he is the target (of Curt's original comments), but what's up with Cashman and others (Mel, maybe?) saying Wells would rather be a Yankee than a Red Sox? That's a little low, no? Especially for people who should know better.
Ripping 1 Yankee or ripping the entire thing, same thing.
manhattanclam
02-20-05, 10:25 AM
Clemens was right. They still have to have to be miserable about something up there in Baahston.
Oh, I wouldn't wory too much about about the fans up in Boston. I'm sure they're loving every minute of this. After all, it's not like the fact that we're in they're heads (OF COURSE we are!) is anything new for them or any other team that wants to win. The difference this year is that we're in Baahston's heads as losers. Ouch.....
I think this thread is really less about Mantei himself and more about the ridiculous way a number of Red Sox players are acting.
It's not just Schilling, who's been badmouthing A-Rod to the media since the World Series. It's not just Wells, who we all know is bitter about being rejected by the Yankees. It's the team captain, Varitek and three other guys too.
That the Red Sox front office hasn't tried to put a stop to this speaks volumes about the way the organization sees their team, the Yankees and the rivalry as a whole. The "Vince McMahon" analogy is pretty right on.
Varitek said he didn't need to boast about his routine and said he can be a good father and work out at the same time. Hardly ripping A-Rod. And he wouldn't of said that had A-Rod not boasted about he much harder he works because he's not taking his kid to school.
Again, Cashman, part of the Yankee front office, has done the opposite of putting a stop to the name-calling. He ripped Wells.
Ripping 1 Yankee or ripping the entire thing, same thing.
Maybe, but that one Yankee has been a lightning rod for controversy since he signed the biggest contract in the history of sports. They aren't exactly attacking Mother Teresa, A-Rod knew what he was doing when he called out Schilling this year and when he made those comments pumping his chest about his workouts.
sharoncass
02-20-05, 10:32 AM
I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this, but what really bothers me about Mantei's comments is this :
You've got to have a clubhouse where everybody gets along and really wants to battle for each other and win," Mantei said. "It might be what they're lacking. There are a lot of big egos, a lot of big guys in that clubhouse. Everybody is here for the same purpose, to play for each other. They're not here to play for themselves."
He's been there a day and he already knows how the Red Sox clubhouse operates and what may be wrong w/ the Yanks. I hope Wells doesn't get upset that he included himself in w/ the Sox before he won a title there. That's obviously important to him.
http://www.nypost.com/sports/40857.htm
Big egos! Didn't he play on the same team as Schilling?
YankeePride1967
02-20-05, 10:33 AM
Maybe, but that one Yankee has been a lightning rod for controversy since he signed the biggest contract in the history of sports. They aren't exactly attacking Mother Teresa, A-Rod knew what he was doing when he called out Schilling this year and when he made those comments pumping his chest about his workouts.
I'd agree if it was A-Rod that first made the comments. Then why isn't Manny, who isn't far behind salary wise being trashed talk if it's about the money?
MiamiKat
02-20-05, 10:33 AM
Varitek said he didn't need to boast about his routine and said he can be a good father and work out at the same time. Hardly ripping A-Rod. And he wouldn't of said that had A-Rod not boasted about he much harder he works because he's not taking his kid to school.
Again, Cashman, part of the Yankee front office, has done the opposite of putting a stop to the name-calling. He ripped Wells.
Varitek's dig was unnecessary and unbecoming of a new team captain, IMO. This would have been a great opportunity to show some leadership -- yes, like Jeter does -- and stay above the fray, giving a signal to the rest of the team to, well, STFU for lack of a better term. But no. The Masked Man couldn't resist.
As for Cashman commenting on Wells, I have to give you that one.
HipHipJorge
02-20-05, 10:34 AM
His pontificating about RJ is hilarious too:
"He doesn't like the media. He doesn't like fans. He doesn't like anybody. So he's going to have a hard time. But, personally, I was good friends with Randy so I love him to death and I wish him all the best except when he plays against us."
So RJ doesn't like anybody and you proclaim he's going to have a hard time in NY, but you're good friends with him and love him to death.
Why not call him a "deadbeat dad" too and make even less sense?
Yeah, I know that's picking but too bad. The guy spoke to the press, I get to nitpick his words.
So, if RJ doesn't like ANYBODY then how is it possible that he became friends w/ Mr. Mantei? What a f'n idiot this guys is.
As for Francona, he was never in control of the team....he was the puppet, so until Management tells him to tell his team to STFU, it will never happen.
And people say the yanks have big egos, they seem to be the only ones quietly going about their business.
MiamiKat
02-20-05, 10:34 AM
Big egos! Didn't he play on the same team as Schilling?
Now that's funny. :lol:
yanksrule69
02-20-05, 10:50 AM
Either the Red Sox don't have a PR department or it's run by Larry Lucchino.
:lol: :lol:
BroadwayBomber55
02-20-05, 10:55 AM
"Who's Matt Mantei? I have no respect for Matt Mantei."
I'd agree if it was A-Rod that first made the comments. Then why isn't Manny, who isn't far behind salary wise being trashed talk if it's about the money?
It's not just about the money. It's the way he's acted since signing that contract. He's apparently made more enemies than friends, and not just on the Sox, it's the Rangers and (for some reason) the Tigers.
But, yes, Manny's contract is huge, but not close to A-Rod's contract. Manny's contract didn't cripple a franchise. He saddled up and delievered a World Series MVP with his contract. Granted, the Sox may still be wanting to unload his contract, but they aren't up against a wall like Texas was.
Boogiedown Bomber
02-20-05, 11:04 AM
This soap opera has gone beyond the level of ridiculousness. Why not put the Yanks and Sox on the field already (or in a wrestling ring) and get all this negativity out???
yanksrule69
02-20-05, 11:07 AM
This soap opera has gone beyond the level of ridiculousness. Why not put the Yanks and Sox on the field already (or in a wrestling ring) and get all this negativity out???
Regardless if the Sox win or not, they still don't shut the hell up. I don't think a wrestling match will help.
SheffMVP11
02-20-05, 11:10 AM
I'm as tired of this trash-talk as any of you, but what is so outrageous about this specific comment? You know that some rookie reporter went up to this first year Red Sox player (so stop lumping him in with the 2004 team, and that goes for Wells too, they haven't earned anything yet) and asked him what he thinks about the rivalry with the Yankees. He didn't say anything so outlandish when you think about it; either you're a Yankee, a Yankee fan, or a fan of a different team.
There is no ambivalence towards the Yankees, either you love them or you hate them, that's the effect those 26 championships have. Derek Jeter knows what to do; shut up, and hold up the four fingers that have rings on them. Just like calling out "scoreboard" in a college basketball game. Take a cue from your captain, enjoy the fact that everyone is gunning for you even though you didn't win the championship last year, and stop acting so offended over every little comment that someone makes about your team.
I'd pay more attention to the infighting, especially Sheffield and Giambi. Considering how much support Giambi is going to need this season from his teammates and fans, this is a serious concern for the Yankees.
Why don't you take a cue from your captain and... wait, youre captain is a cowardly loser, never mind.
Seriously, this is the unanimous favorite for worst post of the week, and that says a lot since NDBoston chimed in a few times in the Nixon/A-Rod thread.
You don't want Yankee fans to be angry that multiple no-name and platoon player Red Sox are talking sh*t about our team, even though Red Sox fans had their panties up in a bunch when A-Rod responded to Schilling.
I'd pay more attention to the $80M you passed out this offseason to a 90 OPS+ shortstop and a catcher who only hits in one park. This is a serious concern for the Red Sox.
Varitek's dig was unnecessary and unbecoming of a new team captain, IMO. This would have been a great opportunity to show some leadership -- yes, like Jeter does -- and stay above the fray, giving a signal to the rest of the team to, well, STFU for lack of a better term. But no. The Masked Man couldn't resist.
All I can say to this is, that's why the Yankees are the Yankees and the Red Sox are the Red Sox. That's what makes the rivalry so intense, because both sides do their own thing.
Tek's comments were no worse than A-Rod's original comment about working out, except for maybe everyone knew who Tek was talking about.
I can see why some people feel the silence out of the Yankees camp regarding the A-Rod digs is telling. You'd expect a team leader to help out his teammate in a time like this.
SheffMVP11
02-20-05, 11:14 AM
Manny's contract didn't cripple a franchise.
Manny has had an OPS over 1.000 for 6 years in a row and the Red Sox are still willing to dump him like yesterday's trash. If you're willing to give up that kind of player for absolutely nothing in return, I think it's safe to say his contract cripples the franchise.
Was A-Rod ever placed on irrevocable waivers?
PippyPinstripes
02-20-05, 11:17 AM
Sox should take a cue from the Yankees and be gracious winners. They're being a bunch of ridiculous children.
HipHipJorge
02-20-05, 11:18 AM
You'd expect a team leader to help out his teammate in a time like this.
Why? By justifying all of this crap with a response means that the sox are actually worthy of one.
So, I'd rather Jetes and the rest of the Yanks keep it on the field.
Manny has had an OPS over 1.000 for 6 years in a row and the Red Sox are still willing to dump him like yesterday's trash. If you're willing to give up that kind of player for absolutely nothing in return, I think it's safe to say his contract cripples the franchise.
Was A-Rod ever placed on irrevocable waivers?
-Crippled them so much they were able to make pitching moves and win a World Series? I don't think so.
-It's not absolutley nothing in return. It's $20 M to spend. That's a good trade, if the money is spent wisely.
-No, A-Rod hasn't been placed on waivers, but what team would take a player making $25 M a year? The only obvious choices are New York and Boston, and I think the A-Rod to Boston ship has sailed.
yankeesAZ
02-20-05, 11:22 AM
Matt "I serve up 9th inning homers and blow RJ's lead" Mantei? I got to witness his meltdowns firsthand in AZ. Look forward to seeing him come out of the pen!
PippyPinstripes
02-20-05, 11:25 AM
Matt "I serve up 9th inning homers and blow RJ's lead" Mantei? I got to witness his meltdowns firsthand in AZ. Look forward to seeing him come out of the pen!
Bwah! ^^This is all that really needs to be said.
Why? By justifying all of this crap with a response means that the sox are actually worthy of one.
So, I'd rather Jetes and the rest of the Yanks keep it on the field.
Personally, I think it's better to have someone's back than leave them hanging. Especially when the captian and player in question reportedly aren't as good of friends as they once were.
Again, that's where the Sox and Yanks differ. The Sox are close, and play loose, (and almost played too loose last year). The Yankees are professionals who act business-like. Nothing wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks, I supppose.
SheffMVP11
02-20-05, 11:25 AM
-Crippled them so much they were able to make pitching moves and win a World Series? I don't think so.
-It's not absolutley nothing in return. It's $20 M to spend. That's a good trade, if the money is spent wisely.
-No, A-Rod hasn't been placed on waivers, but what team would take a player making $25 M a year? The only obvious choices are New York and Boston, and I think the A-Rod to Boston ship has sailed.
- So the Yankees lost in the ALCS because of A-Rod's contract? Damn, why couldn't I have seen that.
- So they would much rather spend the $20M elsewhere, even though they're currently paying it to a Hall of Famer. Sounds like a contract that cripples his team.
- Last offseason two teams were willing to give up a lot in terms of players for A-Rod, but no one wanted Manny when they would have been taking on only his contract.
It makes no sense to say that A-Rod's contract crippled a team, but Manny's doesn't. It's no secret that the Sox have been wanting to dump Manny for at least a year now.
You guys are too rough on the Sox...remember you are dealing with "idiots"...:D
- So the Yankees lost in the ALCS because of A-Rod's contract? Damn, why couldn't I have seen that.
-Didn't say that and didn't mean that. I was referring to the Rangers, who were praying someone would take A-Rod off their hands (as long as they were getting money back in return).
- So they would much rather spend the $20M elsewhere, even though they're currently paying it to a Hall of Famer. Sounds like a contract that cripples his team.
-Again, it can't cripple a team if the team can still operate to a point where they are competitve year in and year out. The Red Sox are, the Rangers weren't.
- Last offseason two teams were willing to give up a lot in terms of players for A-Rod, but no one wanted Manny when they would have been taking on only his contract.
-The Red Sox and the Yankees, I suppose? If so, then the Red Sox wanted A-Rod to rework his deal to make the money work for them. Which A-Rod was willing to do, BTW. As for the Yankees, they got A-Rod at a discount because the Rangers paid some of his contract (for whatever reason, maybe they knew they were up against the wall to make the deal happen.)
It makes no sense to say that A-Rod's contract crippled a team, but Manny's doesn't. It's no secret that the Sox have been wanting to dump Manny for at least a year now.
-The Rangers couldn't make moves with A-Rod's contract, and now that he's gone, they are better.
Casey at the Bat
02-20-05, 11:33 AM
Alex has a no trade clause. Can he even be placed on irrevocable waivers like Manny was?
Someone brought up a good question. Why does Alex get all the hate, but not Manny? People don't just hate him in Boston either (Of course moving to the Yankees surely didn't help that). Many dislike Alex both on and off the field, but goofy manny is ignored. I wonder if that has anything to do with Alex's personality?
As for matei saying that no one likes the Yankees, he isn't exactly lying there. Either you love the yankees, or you hate them. There isn't really anything in between.There are plenty of people who don't like the yankees, that isn't exactly breaking news.
sharoncass
02-20-05, 11:34 AM
I would submit that the Yankees hadn't been in a rivalry like this since at least the 70's when it was the Sox. When the Yankees won in the late 1990's, the rivalry wasn't close to what it is now. Take away everything that has happened this offseason and it's still a white-hot rivalry.
Mantei, I believe, is the first to mention the Yankees as a team. Others have ripped A-Rod while (yeah, I know, we went through this already, but...) praising the team and what the Yankees represent.
You said: "what was a first year player supposed to do, say the Yankees are a great team,etc." I said yes because that was what the Yankees would and have done. They never trash talked in 99, after beating the Red Sox or in 2003, after beating the Red Sox (although the Red Sox sure had a lot to say during those playoff games, too). It doesn't matter that they have just targeted A-Rod, it still is low class.
YankeeFan1
02-20-05, 11:36 AM
After Mantei's comments, I realized that that it isn't just the winners taking shots at the Yankees, it is everyone and their mamas.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 11:37 AM
You said: "what was a first year player supposed to do, say the Yankees are a great team,etc." I said yes because that was what the Yankees would and have done. They never trash talked in 99, after beating the Red Sox or in 2003, after beating the Red Sox (although the Red Sox sure had a lot to say during those playoff games, too). It doesn't matter that they have just targeted A-Rod, it still is low class.
Exactly. The Sox shouldn't be opening their mouths unless it's in response to questions or comments about their team. They shouldn't be commenting freely on the Yankees, especially since it's all been unwarranted.
You said: "what was a first year player supposed to do, say the Yankees are a great team,etc." I said yes because that was what the Yankees would and have done. They never trash talked in 99, after beating the Red Sox or in 2003, after beating the Red Sox (although the Red Sox sure had a lot to say during those playoff games, too). It doesn't matter that they have just targeted A-Rod, it still is low class.
I didn't make that remark, sox jedi 14 did. Honest mistake. :)
Steinbrenner chased the Red Sox bus and yelled at them following Game 7 in 2003. Yogi said the Sox have never beaten the Yankees, so no sweat, before the 1999 ALCS.
A-Rod isn't an innocent bystander. He made remarks about Schilling and then later tooted his own horn. He's done things the Sox don't respect, so they mention it.
YankeeFan1
02-20-05, 11:42 AM
The Yankees better win this season's ALCS because I'm not sure if I'm up to another off season of the Red Sox smack talking. I rather the usual Yankee tradition of winning with grace and shutting the hell up.
sharoncass
02-20-05, 11:42 AM
Maybe, but that one Yankee has been a lightning rod for controversy since he signed the biggest contract in the history of sports. They aren't exactly attacking Mother Teresa, A-Rod knew what he was doing when he called out Schilling this year and when he made those comments pumping his chest about his workouts.
The only reason he's a "lightning rod for controversy" is because he didn't go to the Red Sox. The Red Sox and their fans have been targeting him ever since.
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 11:46 AM
This may be a foreign concept to the Red Sox, but why don't they try this:
The next time a Yankee, or anyone else for that matter, says something about you or your team........DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. KEEP YOUR MOUTHS CLOSED AND GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS.
Novel concept, I'm sure.
HipHipJorge
02-20-05, 11:49 AM
The Sox are close, and play loose, (and almost played too loose last year). The Yankees are professionals who act business-like. Nothing wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks, I supppose.
The sox are close? Gee, I'd like to hear Nomar & Lowe's take on this statement.
Anyway, we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. I have a feeling Jeter has said more than enough to his teammates this week regarding getting into a verbal war of words with the sox.
They'll have their say, on the field. No reason to sink to the sox level. And besides, why would Jeter have to defend AROD against the sox....
bobbymagee
02-20-05, 11:49 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-redsox-mantei-johnson&prov=ap&type=lgns
Why are we discussing this? Is Matt Womentie really relevant? Did he even pitch against us in the 2001 World Series. Wasn't he hurt?
We are Yankee fans. We have to have the same policy as Captain Jeter. Don't give them any attention.
We are Yankee Fans. Our team has been winning for almost 100 years.
Forget them all.
The only reason he's a "lightning rod for controversy" is because he didn't go to the Red Sox. The Red Sox and their fans have been targeting him ever since.
He wanted to come here, so I don't hold that against him.
He's not a lightning rod for controversy solely because he is a Yankee (but it doesn't hurt), but rather because of the things he has done since becoming a Yankee.
As someone said on the radio, if he thought he was treated badly by the Fenway Faithful last year, wait for Round 2. He hasn't been back to Fenway since Game 6.
The only reason he's a "lightning rod for controversy" is because he didn't go to the Red Sox. The Red Sox and their fans have been targeting him ever since.
Yep, the old "jilted lover" syndrome. The Red Sox happened to win last season but ARod not going there is bugging the hell out of the players and the fans. Met fans hate his guts too....and claim they never wanted him anyway. :lol:
sharoncass
02-20-05, 11:51 AM
I didn't make that remark, sox jedi 14 did. Honest mistake. :)
Steinbrenner chased the Red Sox bus and yelled at them following Game 7 in 2003. Yogi said the Sox have never beaten the Yankees, so no sweat, before the 1999 ALCS.
A-Rod isn't an innocent bystander. He made remarks about Schilling and then later tooted his own horn. He's done things the Sox don't respect, so they mention it.
Steinbrenner chased the bus after game 7 in 2003? I've never heard that? Please provide some verification, and not BDD. What Yogi said was said to Bernie in private before one of the games. Bernie commented on it later on. Hardly a comparison.
HipHipJorge
02-20-05, 11:51 AM
He wanted to come here, so I don't hold that against him.
Not enough to move third.
The sox are close? Gee, I'd like to hear Nomar & Lowe's take on this statement.
Don't let a couple bad apples ruin the whole bunch. To say that the Sox weren't close is uninformed. As Tim McCarver said, "They lead the league in Man-hugs."
. Manny's contract didn't cripple a franchise. .
Read carefully, it's the contract that was hurting Texas, not Arod. The owner signed the contract and wasn't held at gunpoint to do so. The effect of that contract spread and helped many other players sign larger deals than they would have otherwise. How many other players would turn down getting paid more than they were worth? I noticed Varitek hired the same agent. He hardly gave the Sox a home team discount and it could be argued that they overpaid, especially in length of the contract.
Not enough to move third.
In all seriousness, had the roles been reversed and the Yankees originally gone after A-Rod only to give up and the Sox swooped in, maybe A-Rod would have switched to third, knowing it was his last shot to get out of Texas.
sharoncass
02-20-05, 11:58 AM
Varitek said he didn't need to boast about his routine and said he can be a good father and work out at the same time. Hardly ripping A-Rod. And he wouldn't of said that had A-Rod not boasted about he much harder he works because he's not taking his kid to school.
Again, Cashman, part of the Yankee front office, has done the opposite of putting a stop to the name-calling. He ripped Wells.
Did A-Rod single out Varitek or Nixon? A-Rod was not boasting. If they feel he was boasting, maybe it's because they feel a little inferior or defensive. It was an article done with the reporter doing a work out with him. What was he supposed to talk about, the weather?
NYYBombshell
02-20-05, 12:01 PM
Don't let a couple bad apples ruin the whole bunch. To say that the Sox weren't close is uninformed. As Tim McCarver said, "They lead the league in Man-hugs."
Who listens to Tim McCarver? The man's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
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