View Full Version : Everyone should be impressed with the Patriots
PawSoxNation
09-30-04, 04:51 PM
The Patriots are on the verge of something great. Something that will never EVER happen again. They have 17 straight wins, (12 season, 2 playoff, 1 SuperBowl, and 2 this season). This is more impressive than the '72 Dolphins, because The streak is longer, Doing it with the Free Agent market, Higher caliber of players Better technology of scouting other teams. Plus, they have 2 of the last 3 SuperBowl Championships. People around here (especially Belichick) do want want to call them a dynasty. But I will. The New England Patriots are the 2000's dynasty team to beat. People talk about Manning and all his stats, and McNabb's ability to do this and do that and make Chunky Soup commericals...but what does Brady do?...The most important stat that matters in all of professional sports: WINS
So Yankee History must really impress you...:D
My hats of to the Patriots...but without a lucky call (Tuck), their run isn't as great as you make out...
The pressure of an undefeated season is greater than the Pats current run...if they can finish this season undefeated then your really talking...
I don't think it is really a dynasty. I understand that it is difficult to sustain greatness in today's NFL with the salary cap and free agency making continuity impossible, but I think that they are at least a Super Bowl away from being a real "dynasty."
I would be more inclined to agree if they hadn't missed the playoffs between titles...I don't think you should miss the playoffs in the middle of a "dynasty." In fairness, they weren't a bad team when they missed, going 9-7. And if I recall correctly, the Jets won the division with the same record of 9-7. However, the fact remains that the NFL Playoffs did not include the defending champions.
Also, to be fair, I am a little biased. I watch the *ahem* experts on ESPN call the '96-'00 Yankees a "mini-dynasty," then proclaim that 2 SB's and a missed playoffs is a full "dynasty." Rubs me the wrong way.
Now, I'm not trying to take anything away from what they have accomplished. It is very impressive, to say the least. I have a lot of respect for Belichick, Brady, and the rest. But I think they should win another SB before I call them a dynasty. (I would LOVE for the Giants to sandwich missing the playoffs between Super Bowl wins)
Just my opinion. And with the schedule they have this year...I think they will win a LOT of games this year.
JeffWeaverFan
09-30-04, 11:22 PM
They've had pretty much every call go their way in this streak. Very lucky team. I'm guessing the Bills will end that streak this week and I can't wait for my Jets to kill them in week 7. It's going to be fun to dominate the Pats and show everyone how overated they are and underated we are.
DaBoys4LifeNYY35
10-01-04, 12:09 AM
I've already been over why this isn't a dynasty, one reason (of many) being that dynastic teams don't flat out miss the playoffs altogether during their "run". I am, however, very impressed with them to an extent up to this point.
RIyankee
10-01-04, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
They've had pretty much every call go their way in this streak. Very lucky team. I'm guessing the Bills will end that streak this week and I can't wait for my Jets to kill them in week 7. It's going to be fun to dominate the Pats and show everyone how overated they are and underated we are.
Taylor, don't set yourself up. You're only going to become more fustrated. :D
If the Pats win SB XXXIX, then they would be a dynasty.
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
They've had pretty much every call go their way in this streak. Very lucky team. I'm guessing the Bills will end that streak this week and I can't wait for my Jets to kill them in week 7. It's going to be fun to dominate the Pats and show everyone how overated they are and underated we are.
That's pretty bold talk. I'm not sold on the Jets yet. Cin & SD? Not as good as beating, say...Washington and Cleveland. ;)
Espinosa's Glasses
10-01-04, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by PawSoxNation
but what does Brady do?...The most important stat that matters in all of professional sports: WINS
I guess that comes from being a Yankee fan his whole life... he was just born with it
cubswin
10-01-04, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Espinosa's Glasses
I guess that comes from being a Yankee fan his whole life... he was just born with it
what's a San Francisco kid doing becoming a Yanks fan, instead of the Giants or As? Not even bandwagon, since they weren't winning during his youth.
(must not be too big a fan if he has since shifted his loyalties to the Sox (and Giants))
And, btw, as much as I love the Pats, they're not a dynasty. If they manage to win again this year, may need to re-visit the question.
Espinosa's Glasses
10-01-04, 11:12 AM
what a punk that Brady is..!
they aren't a dynasty yet... they need another championship... or 2
JeffWeaverFan
10-01-04, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by RIyankee
Taylor, don't set yourself up. You're only going to become more fustrated. :D
If the Pats win SB XXXIX, then they would be a dynasty.
Hmm, I've got confidence in this team. We've got this thing and we can run all over that shaky run defense. I just hope that this team doesn't look past Miami just becuase they are horrible this year. As long as we dominate Miami, then I know we won't be looking past any teams this year and we've got this thing.
If that Pats win the SB this year, without the benefit from lucky calls, then it might be a dynasty.
God, I hate the Pats soooo freaking much.&po'd& &po'd& &po'd&
Yankee Bulldawg
10-01-04, 12:49 PM
i hate the Pats so darn much and was pissed when they beat Carolina with another last gasp field goal last season to win the Superbowl. i hope they dont go this year cause they aint getting my support.
cubswin
10-01-04, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Yankee Bulldawg
i hate the Pats so darn much and was pissed when they beat Carolina with another last gasp field goal last season to win the Superbowl. i hope they dont go this year cause they aint getting my support.
"last gasp" :lol: (You do know, btw, that when they kicked the FG, it was a tie, right?)
I hope they can manage to scrape by without your support.
Looie #19
10-02-04, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by cubswin
(must not be too big a fan if he has since shifted his loyalties to the Sox (and Giants))
So why does Brady only hang out with members of the Yankees, and wear Yankees hats when he's in NY?
BroadwayBomber55
10-02-04, 01:16 AM
The reason why the New England Patriots could make a dynasty: they play as a Team, not individuals.
PawSoxNation
10-02-04, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
They've had pretty much every call go their way in this streak. Very lucky team. I'm guessing the Bills will end that streak this week and I can't wait for my Jets to kill them in week 7. It's going to be fun to dominate the Pats and show everyone how overated they are and underated we are.
Call go their way? Isn't that the name of the game? And lucky team? I really don't think so. I always love when ANY team in ANY sport goes say, "3 out of 5 championships" or "5 out of 6". There is always that team in the middle that got "lucky" and what not. And for the Patriots run, the team in the middle are the Buccaneers. Everyone claimed that the Bucs had the best defense, "oh my god, they will repeat". What happened? They fell back to earth. Patriots will win the superbowl this year, and make it 3 out 4. Further making them a dynasty and further making the Bucs, a "lucky team". Fun to dominate the Pats? Yea, that will really happen, with the moblie and quick quarterback in Bledsoe...
WebsterMulligan
10-02-04, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
They've had pretty much every call go their way in this streak. Very lucky team. I'm guessing the Bills will end that streak this week and I can't wait for my Jets to kill them in week 7. It's going to be fun to dominate the Pats and show everyone how overated they are and underated we are.
You are sounding extremely confident, JWF. I hope that you will be able to handle a Jets loss to the Pats, as it is sure to happen. :D I can hardly wait for your analysis of that game. ;)
uconnhoopz123
10-02-04, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
They've had pretty much every call go their way in this streak. Very lucky team. I'm guessing the Bills will end that streak this week and I can't wait for my Jets to kill them in week 7. It's going to be fun to dominate the Pats and show everyone how overated they are and underated we are. yep
brady is like the most overrated player in football by far. And whats so good about corry dillon??? He had like 300 yards rushing all season last year. I really wouldnt be suprised at all if the bills beat them tomorrow and i would REALLY REALLY be suprised if the jets lost to them
cubswin
10-03-04, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by uconnhoopz123
yep
brady is like the most overrated player in football by far. And whats so good about corry dillon??? He had like 300 yards rushing all season last year. I really wouldnt be suprised at all if the bills beat them tomorrow and i would REALLY REALLY be suprised if the jets lost to them
Sure, Brady's overrated -- never been to a pro bowl, so not sure how highly "rated" he is in the first place.
Corey Dillon? Look at his #s before last year. Even better, look at tape of his game 2 weeks ago.
DaBoys4LifeNYY35
10-03-04, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by cubswin
Sure, Brady's overrated -- never been to a pro bowl, so not sure how highly "rated" he is in the first place.
pssst... he went to the Pro Bowl in 2002, cubsy! However, one could have argued that, statistically, he merited a berth much more for his 2003 and 2004 seasons. I think he's just now starting to get a little bit of the recognition for his skills as more than a "game manager" QB that he deserves, but before the last Super Bowl win, he was vastly, vastly underrated. As I have explained to my bf, there are many, many reasons why I would take Brady in a big game over Brett Favre himself (especially the Brett Favre of the past few years in the playoffs :barf: ).
PinstripePride
10-03-04, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by uconnhoopz123
And whats so good about corry dillon??? He had like 300 yards rushing all season last year.
Come on now. Let's be serious. He had 541 yards on 138 touches. If you project that out to the 300 touches he's used to getting, he would have had over 1,000 yards for the 7th straight season. Up until last year he averaged 1,250+ yards and 7+ touchdowns a year, with 4.4 ypa. Dillon is a great running back. And he's a huge improvement over Antwoin Smith/Kevin Faulk.
cubswin
10-03-04, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35
pssst... he went to the Pro Bowl in 2002, cubsy! However, one could have argued that, statistically, he merited a berth much more for his 2003 and 2004 seasons. I think he's just now starting to get a little bit of the recognition for his skills as more than a "game manager" QB that he deserves, but before the last Super Bowl win, he was vastly, vastly underrated. As I have explained to my bf, there are many, many reasons why I would take Brady in a big game over Brett Favre himself (especially the Brett Favre of the past few years in the playoffs :barf: ).
really? guess I forgot that. thanks.
I would take Brady in a heartbeat over Favre to win one game -- especially after that neat little turnaround heave for an interception Favre did needlessly against the Eagles last season (or the season before?)
DaBoys4LifeNYY35
10-03-04, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by cubswin
I would take Brady in a heartbeat over Favre to win one game -- especially after that neat little turnaround heave for an interception Favre did needlessly against the Eagles last season (or the season before?)
Take your pick... he's thrown multiple picks in key playoff games for, what, 3 years running now, I believe. Who will ever forget that 5 INT performance against the Rams? I know I won't!
Brady, at least at this point in his career, puts the team on his shoulders in crunch time without trying to carry the team singlehandedly--if you get what I mean. He remains level-headed, and just does not make ill-advised throws, especially when it counts the most.
I found a quote in the latest "Chewing the Fat with John Kruk" that's very pertinent in this discussion:
So every once in a while, you need to stop what you're doing, take a deep breath and remember you aren't going to win or lose the game on one play. There's no need to go out there like every pitch is the bottom of the ninth in Game 7.
All the great players seem to slow it down at the most important times in the game -- Jeter, Jordan, Gretzky, Tom Brady. That isn't by accident, and neither are all their championships.
Tom Brady's ability to "slow it down" and keep his cool in big spots is probably unparalleled among NFL QBs in the league today.
cubswin
10-03-04, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35
...Brady, at least at this point in his career, puts the team on his shoulders in crunch time without trying to carry the team singlehandedly--if you get what I mean. ....
I do. Well said.
JeffWeaverFan
10-03-04, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by PawSoxNation
Call go their way? Isn't that the name of the game? And lucky team? I really don't think so.
Yes, calls go their way and no that is not the name of the game. Getting BS calls from the ref to win games is not the name of the game. Once again the Pats got BS calls. And when I say BS calls, I mean complete f*cking bull sh*t. They were outplayed today but because they have the refs in their pocket they won the game. Lets go through this shall we? Actually, I found a post that says it better than I can on another forum so I'll just use that one.
Hick, the Patriots get the kinda calls that make you wonder if the officials have money on the game
First series the Patriots throw an incomplete pass on 3rd Down ... BUT WAIT ... London Fletcher gets flagged for roughing the passer
Officials explanation? ... BLOW TO THE HEAD
But when they show the replay, low and behold, there was no blow to the head :huh:
Bills get tagged for 15 yards ... Patriots get a new series of downs ... and they proceed to score the games first TD
Little bit later ... Patriots throw an incomplete pass on 3rd down ... BUT WAIT ... DB gets flagged for illegal contact
ONLY PROBLEM?
When you see the replay, the DB is running stride for stride with the WR, never makes contact after five yards, turns and leaps for the ball as it's coming down ... and a flag comes flying out
Now how do you call illegal contact on that play at the point of reception?
In that case it's either PASS INTERFERENCE or it's NOTHING ... the flag for illegal contact is supposed to be thrown BEFORE the ball is in the air, not when it's coming down for the DB and WR ... but that's when the flag was thrown, and illegal contact was the call :huh:
I mean, they just get the kinda calls that make you wonder
And I'm not even mentioning the five million other flags that were thrown on Buffalo today, everytime they seemed to have something going
Look man, I'm not jealous ... I know the Patriots are an exceptional team ... I just think this love affair the zebras have with NE is gettin a little ridiculous
I mean, WTF ... give the other team a fair shake ... at the very least, give them a chance to win fair and square ... JUST A CHANCE ... cause the way they create calls for the Patriots, they're impossible to beat
If this is how it's gonna be ... if this is how NE will continue to have the refs in their hip pocket ... might as well cancel the season now and just award the Patriots the Vince Lombardi trophy
And, he forgot about the Corey Dillon fumble in the 4th quarter that was ruled down even though he actually did fumble it. I think that the Pats owner has gotta be paying off the NFL to make sure they get calls their way.
WebsterMulligan
10-03-04, 11:32 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:
cubswin
10-03-04, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
Yes, calls go their way
... I just think this love affair the zebras have with NE is gettin a little ridiculous
I mean, WTF ... give the other team a fair shake ... at the very least, give them a chance to win fair and square ... ...
Sure. Of course, that ignores the numerous penalties the Pats get flagged for -- wouldn't really expect that if the refs were in their pocket, would you?
This is actually kind of fun, looking forward to the whining after every Patriots win.
(btw, the call against Fletcher was a bad call. It happens. The Bills did far more to hurt themselves, though.)
(and btw, the Dillon call was the right call. The real mistake was something that, imo, happens to much in the NFL: the whistle had been blown.)
dabomb2045
10-03-04, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by cubswin
Sure. Of course, that ignores the numerous penalties the Pats get flagged for -- wouldn't really expect that if the refs were in their pocket, would you?
This is actually kind of fun, looking forward to the whining after every Patriots win.
(btw, the call against Fletcher was a bad call. It happens. The Bills did far more to hurt themselves, though.)
(and btw, the Dillon call was the right call. The real mistake was something that, imo, happens to much in the NFL: the whistle had been blown.)
Im so f*ckin sick of the Patriots....they catch EVERY break (tuck rule..Kasay kicking it out of bounds in the SB...to name a few)......Im sick of people talking about Belichick being some kind of God....if he is so great why didnt he win in Cleveland?? or why did the GREAT Belichick's defense (as well as the GOD HIMSELF Parcells) completely fall apart and fold in the 98 AFC Title game against Denver??? why did Belichick bail on the Jets in 99?? oh yeah....cuz he is a complete jerk....I guess he learned something from his "mentor" Parcells...how to be an a'hole...and leave a team hanging dry
Im just so tired of the Patriots....I cannot wait till we go into Foxboro in Week 7....put up 34 points against the overrated Patriots D...and hopefully Abraham or Ellis sack Brady numerous times....and he breaks his freaking leg or something
cubswin
10-04-04, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by dabomb2045
Im so f*ckin sick of the Patriots...hopefully Abraham or Ellis sack Brady numerous times....and he breaks his freaking leg or something
you've got class
BoSox37
10-04-04, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by dabomb2045
Im so f*ckin sick of the Patriots....they catch EVERY break (tuck rule..Kasay kicking it out of bounds in the SB...to name a few)......Im sick of people talking about Belichick being some kind of God....if he is so great why didnt he win in Cleveland?? or why did the GREAT Belichick's defense (as well as the GOD HIMSELF Parcells) completely fall apart and fold in the 98 AFC Title game against Denver??? why did Belichick bail on the Jets in 99?? oh yeah....cuz he is a complete jerk....I guess he learned something from his "mentor" Parcells...how to be an a'hole...and leave a team hanging dry
Im just so tired of the Patriots....I cannot wait till we go into Foxboro in Week 7....put up 34 points against the overrated Patriots D...and hopefully Abraham or Ellis sack Brady numerous times....and he breaks his freaking leg or something
Im so f*ckin sick of the Yankees...they catch EVERY break (Jeffery Maier, phantom tag...to name a few)...Im so sick of people talking about Torre being some kind of god...if he is so good why didn't he win in St. Louis?? Why did his team completely fall apart and fold in Game 7 of the 2001 WS???
Im just so tired of the Yankees, I cannot wait until we face the Yankees in the ALCS, sweep them and hopefully Pedro drills Jeter in the head and ...gives him a concussion.
;)
Yankees fans comlaining about the Sox "luck" can be amusing...the two teams are actually similar in many ways, but the team they love is "awesome", while the team they hate is "lucky"
RIyankee
10-04-04, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by dabomb2045
Im so f*ckin sick of the Patriots....they catch EVERY break (tuck rule..Kasay kicking it out of bounds in the SB...to name a few)......Im sick of people talking about Belichick being some kind of God....if he is so great why didnt he win in Cleveland?? or why did the GREAT Belichick's defense (as well as the GOD HIMSELF Parcells) completely fall apart and fold in the 98 AFC Title game against Denver??? why did Belichick bail on the Jets in 99?? oh yeah....cuz he is a complete jerk....I guess he learned something from his "mentor" Parcells...how to be an a'hole...and leave a team hanging dry
Im just so tired of the Patriots....I cannot wait till we go into Foxboro in Week 7....put up 34 points against the overrated Patriots D...and hopefully Abraham or Ellis sack Brady numerous times....and he breaks his freaking leg or something
Originally posted by cubswin
you've got class
Cubswin, you neglected to give credit to dabomb2045 for the amount if objectity in his post. :)
BTW dabomb2045, here's some objectivity of my own...
they catch EVERY break (tuck rule..
Yes, the Pats caught a break, eventhough that play was reviewed to death (during and after the game) and was ruled as a correct call. Moreover, after that play it was 4th and long and it was still the Raiders game to lose (they led 13-3). They lost it and they've been crying like babies ever since.
...Im sick of people talking about Belichick being some kind of God....if he is so great why didnt he win in Cleveland?? or why did the GREAT Belichick's defense (as well as the GOD HIMSELF Parcells) completely fall apart and fold in the 98 AFC Title game against Denver???
There's only one God I know and his name ain't Bill. ;)
As for Cleveland, Belichick was in a no-win situation as Art Modell was getting ready to pack up and move to Baltimore in 1995 and BB was beginning his first head coaching job. I actually give credit to BB for having the wisdom to bench hometown favorite and ineffective QB Bernie Kosar and rediscovering QB Vinny Testaverde and earning scorn from media and fans. Gee, why did Parcells pickup Vinny for the Jets and later for the 'Boys?
As for the Jets losing to Denver in the 1998 AFC Championship game, I have a theory. Perhaps the Broncos were the better team. The Jets "D" actually did a good job stopping Terrell Davis in the first half. But in the second half, Denver made adjustments and threw the ball downfield. That was too much for the Jets to overcome. That's what can happen when you are playing against the best RB in the NFL (Davis) and gameplanning to stop him. Denver simply had too many weapons on offense for the Jets to account for. That same team went on to crush Atlanta to repeat as SB champions. If you think Belichick is not that good a coach, why are you so upset that he left the Jets?
why did Belichick bail on the Jets in 99?? oh yeah....cuz he is a complete jerk....I guess he learned something from his "mentor" Parcells...how to be an a'hole...and leave a team hanging dry
Put youself in BB's place, Parcells was about to end is second "last" coaching job as a new owner was taking the place of the late Leon Hess. Meanwhile BB was being offered a job in NE that had responsiblites equal to the position Parcells took when he went to the Jets. Yet, while planning his own exit strategy, Tuna tries to deny BB that job while demeaning him the media. This is the same Duane Charles Parcells who was talking to the Jets in the week his team was preparing for SB XXXI. if you were BB, would you do what he did? I would. BB was avoiding another no-win situation (new owner, lofty expectations). Heck, after one season, Al Groh couldn't bolt for Virgina fast enough. Before the Jets 3-0 start this season, Jets fans were ready to run Herman Edwards out of town. As the old saying goes, the proof is in the pudding.
Im just so tired of the Patriots....I cannot wait till we go into Foxboro in Week 7....put up 34 points against the overrated Patriots D...and hopefully Abraham or Ellis sack Brady numerous times....
The Pats are 3-0 and have beaten better teams than the Jets. How are they overrated? BTW they've seemed to have fixed the problems in the run defense.
and he breaks his freaking leg or something
:uhh: Chill dude, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Besides, if Brady is as bad as you claim he is, the Jets would be better off with him in the game.
RIyankee
10-04-04, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Looie #19
So why does Brady only hang out with members of the Yankees, and wear Yankees hats when he's in NY?
It does my heart good to know that Brady's a :NY: fan at heart. :D
RIyankee
10-04-04, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35
I think he's just now starting to get a little bit of the recognition for his skills as more than a "game manager" QB that he deserves, but before the last Super Bowl win, he was vastly, vastly underrated.
Natalie, funny you mentioned that. I was watching ESPN w/ the Sportwriters: Dan LeBatard, Mike Lupica, and I'm sorry to say I forgot the 3rd gentlman's name on the panel. Anyway all three agreed that Tom Brady is the best QB in the NFL today and they concur that he his comparable to Joe Montana as well. They all noted that in crunch time, he comes through while Peyton struggles. Moreover, LeBatard made a bold statement that Brady could be even better than Montana since, the latter played Jerry Rice, John Taylor, and a great offensive line.
Hats off to NE...they are getting it done...
cubswin
10-04-04, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by NYYFAN
Hats off the NE...they are getting it done...
They are. That said, they're not playing particularly well, which, in a way, is a good thing, I suppose.
RIyankee
10-04-04, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by NYYFAN
Hats off to NE...they are getting it done...
Nah, They're just lucky. &po'd&
Nomah :uhh: I mean, Chad is better! Chad is better! Chad is better!
J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets!!!!!!
:lol: All in good fun. :D
JeffWeaverFan
10-04-04, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by BoSox37
Im so sick of people talking about Torre being some kind of god...if he is so good why didn't he win in St. Louis??
Umm, how long have you been around this board for?
BoSox37
10-04-04, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
Umm, how long have you been around this board for?
A few months, don't see how it is relevant. I really hope you didn't take my post seriously, I just just trying to help dabomb see how pathetically stupid his post was.
JeffWeaverFan
10-04-04, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by BoSox37
A few months, don't see how it is relevant. I really hope you didn't take my post seriously, I just just trying to help dabomb see how pathetically stupid his post was.
I know, I was kidding around. My point was that a lot of people on this board don't think of Torre as a good manager at all.
BoSox37
10-04-04, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
I know, I was kidding around. My point was that a lot of people on this board don't think of Torre as a good manager at all.
I missed that, my bad, but let me tell you this. As someone from a team that doesn't win too often, when a manager/coach gets you one ring (let alone four) he is doing his job.
dabomb2045
10-04-04, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by RIyankee
Cubswin, you neglected to give credit to dabomb2045 for the amount if objectity in his post. :)
BTW dabomb2045, here's some objectivity of my own...
they catch EVERY break (tuck rule..
Yes, the Pats caught a break, eventhough that play was reviewed to death (during and after the game) and was ruled as a correct call. Moreover, after that play it was 4th and long and it was still the Raiders game to lose (they led 13-3). They lost it and they've been crying like babies ever since.
...Im sick of people talking about Belichick being some kind of God....if he is so great why didnt he win in Cleveland?? or why did the GREAT Belichick's defense (as well as the GOD HIMSELF Parcells) completely fall apart and fold in the 98 AFC Title game against Denver???
There's only one God I know and his name ain't Bill. ;)
As for Cleveland, Belichick was in a no-win situation as Art Modell was getting ready to pack up and move to Baltimore in 1995 and BB was beginning his first head coaching job. I actually give credit to BB for having the wisdom to bench hometown favorite and ineffective QB Bernie Kosar and rediscovering QB Vinny Testaverde and earning scorn from media and fans. Gee, why did Parcells pickup Vinny for the Jets and later for the 'Boys?
As for the Jets losing to Denver in the 1998 AFC Championship game, I have a theory. Perhaps the Broncos were the better team. The Jets "D" actually did a good job stopping Terrell Davis in the first half. But in the second half, Denver made adjustments and threw the ball downfield. That was too much for the Jets to overcome. That's what can happen when you are playing against the best RB in the NFL (Davis) and gameplanning to stop him. Denver simply had too many weapons on offense for the Jets to account for. That same team went on to crush Atlanta to repeat as SB champions. If you think Belichick is not that good a coach, why are you so upset that he left the Jets?
why did Belichick bail on the Jets in 99?? oh yeah....cuz he is a complete jerk....I guess he learned something from his "mentor" Parcells...how to be an a'hole...and leave a team hanging dry
Put youself in BB's place, Parcells was about to end is second "last" coaching job as a new owner was taking the place of the late Leon Hess. Meanwhile BB was being offered a job in NE that had responsiblites equal to the position Parcells took when he went to the Jets. Yet, while planning his own exit strategy, Tuna tries to deny BB that job while demeaning him the media. This is the same Duane Charles Parcells who was talking to the Jets in the week his team was preparing for SB XXXI. if you were BB, would you do what he did? I would. BB was avoiding another no-win situation (new owner, lofty expectations). Heck, after one season, Al Groh couldn't bolt for Virgina fast enough. Before the Jets 3-0 start this season, Jets fans were ready to run Herman Edwards out of town. As the old saying goes, the proof is in the pudding.
Im just so tired of the Patriots....I cannot wait till we go into Foxboro in Week 7....put up 34 points against the overrated Patriots D...and hopefully Abraham or Ellis sack Brady numerous times....
The Pats are 3-0 and have beaten better teams than the Jets. How are they overrated? BTW they've seemed to have fixed the problems in the run defense.
and he breaks his freaking leg or something
:uhh: Chill dude, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Besides, if Brady is as bad as you claim he is, the Jets would be better off with him in the game.
would u expect anything else from a Jets fan.....but to be very bitter??
my team was pretty much the joke of the NFL from 1987-1996....then we get the great Parcells and Belichick in here....we get a game away from the playoffs in 97...then the great Parcells...who's ego is bigger then anything...doesnt want O'Donnell to be the one who lead the Jets to the playoffs so he has Leon Johnson throwing halfback option passes and Ray Lucas running option plays and trying to throw passes into the end zone.....the ego of that coaching staff cost us a playoff spot...then in 98 we play great for a half and 4 minutes of the 3rd quarter against Denver in the AFC title game.....totally outplaying them....then the great Parcells and Belichick get SEVERLY outcoached by Shanahan in the 2nd half.....then in 99....the great Parcells neglects to have a competent back-up QB on the team....we lose Vinny....and have to start RICK F*CKING MIRER.....Parcells then proceeds to give Mo Lewis...Vinny...Marvin Jones long-term contracts when even then they were starting to go downhill....screwing over our cap situation....then he bails on us.....then his boy Belichick....bails on us too
then Belichick proceeds to go to a team who I hate as much as the Red Sox....and turns them into a mini-dynasty.....meanwhile my Jets continue to flounder.....am I bitter?? u damn right I am.....the great Belichick's defense collapsed against Denver.....thats my lasting memory of the Belichick-Parcells era.....they win everywhere else except for the Jets....go figure....what else should I expect
cubswin
10-04-04, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by dabomb2045
would u expect anything else from a Jets fan.....but to be very bitter?...
bitterness, though a bit much imo, is one thing. You seem to have issues beyond that.
RIyankee
10-04-04, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by dabomb2045
would u expect anything else from a Jets fan.....but to be very bitter??
my team was pretty much the joke of the NFL from 1987-1996
I sympathize. :)
I've been following the Giants since 1974 and the Partiots since 1976. Two football teams, too many lean years. Knowing their history, I still can't believe these are the Patriots. New stadium and all. I still keep expecting to wake up. I could post a novel about the horrible (comedic) history of this team. From Irving Fryar leaving the game at halftime only to crash his car into a tree to having the toilets in old Schaeffer Stadium back flushing in the Pats 1st game at their new home in 1971.
The Pats were the redheaded stepchild of Boston sports. They were that "bad team that played in that ugly stadium on US Rte. #1". A friend of mine from Ohio who played QB for Ohio Univ. told me he had seen high school stadiums that were better than old Foxboro Stadium.
DaBoys4LifeNYY35
10-04-04, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by dabomb2045
would u expect anything else from a Jets fan.....but to be very bitter??
my team was pretty much the joke of the NFL from 1987-1996....
It could be worse. You could be a Cardinals fan (I've only met one in my life, but I think even he was only a Jake Plummer fan) or a pre-Super Bowl Bucs fan. Or the Vikes, the original losers of 4 Super Bowls. 9 down years is not that big a deal. At least you have Broadway Joe's guarantee. What do the Cards fans have within the past 50 years? The one win against Dallas in the playoffs in '99 (what a sad day)?
I know full well that "it could be worse" is a horrible argument, but you speak as though the Jets are the Cubs or Red Sox of the NFL. I've not met any bitter Jets fans in real life. The most bitter NFL fans I've met are Eagles fans and those of the teams who've been relocated away from them in recent memory.
Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35
It could be worse....
I agree with you. I went to college near Cincinatti, knew a lot of Bengals fans. I graduated in 2001 with kids who hadn't seen a decent football team since they were 9 or 10 years old. Also, Riverfront was a terrible place to watch a game. I can't imagine a worse venue for football. I don't know how those teams with dual purpose cookie cutters could stand it.
I'm a Giants fan, so I don't want to speak for Jets fans...but it could be worse.
dabomb2045
10-04-04, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by TyWebb
I agree with you. I went to college near Cincinatti, knew a lot of Bengals fans. I graduated in 2001 with kids who hadn't seen a decent football team since they were 9 or 10 years old. Also, Riverfront was a terrible place to watch a game. I can't imagine a worse venue for football. I don't know how those teams with dual purpose cookie cutters could stand it.
I'm a Giants fan, so I don't want to speak for Jets fans...but it could be worse.
at least most Bengals fans have seen their team in a super bowl or two....I havent....sorry I was born 12 years after SB III.....Ive seen my team win 2 playoff game in the 16 years I have really been a hardcore Jet fan (1988 was the first season I really "remember").....the last 35 years...the Jets have been a complete joke
plus we also dont even have our own freakin stadium....which is a joke in itself
dabomb2045
10-04-04, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35
It could be worse. You could be a Cardinals fan (I've only met one in my life, but I think even he was only a Jake Plummer fan) or a pre-Super Bowl Bucs fan. Or the Vikes, the original losers of 4 Super Bowls. 9 down years is not that big a deal. At least you have Broadway Joe's guarantee. What do the Cards fans have within the past 50 years? The one win against Dallas in the playoffs in '99 (what a sad day)?
I know full well that "it could be worse" is a horrible argument, but you speak as though the Jets are the Cubs or Red Sox of the NFL. I've not met any bitter Jets fans in real life. The most bitter NFL fans I've met are Eagles fans and those of the teams who've been relocated away from them in recent memory.
since Ive been a Jet fan.....1988.....we have had 2 good seasons...1998 and 2002....every other year has been a disaster....whether its the Rich Kotite years of 95-96....the Vinny injury in 99....Cary Blanchard missing 4 FG's in Buffalo and the Jets getting shutout in Week 16 by Houston in 93....the Al Groh final 4 games debacle in 2000.....the Marino spike game/Pete Carroll joke in 94.....Chad injury last season
being a Jet fan is very smilar to that of a Cub or Red Sox fan.....alot of pain and misery....and not much happiness
#1PaFan
10-05-04, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by dabomb2045
since Ive been a Jet fan.....1988.....we have had 2 good seasons...1998 and 2002....every other year has been a disaster....whether its the Rich Kotite years of 95-96....the Vinny injury in 99....Cary Blanchard missing 4 FG's in Buffalo and the Jets getting shutout in Week 16 by Houston in 93....the Al Groh final 4 games debacle in 2000.....the Marino spike game/Pete Carroll joke in 94.....Chad injury last season
being a Jet fan is very smilar to that of a Cub or Red Sox fan.....alot of pain and misery....and not much happiness
Be thankful you're not a Viqueen fan. Imagine the pain of starting out the year 6-0 only to fail to make the playoffs by losing to the Cards on the last play of the last game of the regular season!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Imagine getting your Purple Ass handed to you in FOUR Super Bowls.
Hey, at least the Jets won a Super Bowl, even though the outcome was *cough cough cough* known beforehand. ;) :) :lol: :gulp: :smokin:
dabomb2045
10-05-04, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by #1PaFan
Be thankful you're not a Viqueen fan. Imagine the pain of starting out the year 6-0 only to fail to make the playoffs by losing to the Cards on the last play of the last game of the regular season!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Imagine getting your Purple Ass handed to you in FOUR Super Bowls.
Hey, at least the Jets won a Super Bowl, even though the outcome was *cough cough cough* known beforehand. ;) :) :lol: :gulp: :smokin:
well you cant the Jets one SB win for me....since I wasnt alive then
so for me Ive seen my team get to 1 AFC Title game.....and win 2 playoff games in 17 years...thats about it
Id give a kidney to see the Jets get to 1 super bowl....
Originally posted by dabomb2045
at least most Bengals fans have seen their team in a super bowl or two....I havent....sorry I was born 12 years after SB III.....Ive seen my team win 2 playoff game in the 16 years I have really been a hardcore Jet fan (1988 was the first season I really "remember").....the last 35 years...the Jets have been a complete joke
plus we also dont even have our own freakin stadium....which is a joke in itself
In the last 16 years that you have been an interested Jets fan, the Bengals have 1 winning season and 1 playoff win to thier name. 9-7 in 1991 with 1 playoff win.
NDBoston
10-07-04, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by cubswin
what's a San Francisco kid doing becoming a Yanks fan, instead of the Giants or As? Not even bandwagon, since they weren't winning during his youth.
(must not be too big a fan if he has since shifted his loyalties to the Sox (and Giants))
And, btw, as much as I love the Pats, they're not a dynasty. If they manage to win again this year, may need to re-visit the question.
That rumor came from Drew Henson when they were at Michigan. From everything I've read, Brady grew up a Giants fan(Gregg Jeffries and Barry Bonds went to his high school). He also grew up wearing baseball hats and still does to go out in public.
If you've seen my hair on a regular basis, you'd understand. I've actually worn baseball hats all my life. Church, school, everywhere. From sixth grade to senior year in high school, I could count on one hand the days I didn't wear a hat.
According to Brady, he has over 100 baseball hats.:eek:
cubswin
10-07-04, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by NDBoston
...According to Brady, he has over 100 baseball hats.:eek:
Where's JWF to tell us that Brady's hat collection is overrated and that Pennington would have 150 if he were on the patriots? ;)
SoCal Pinstriper
10-08-04, 04:02 AM
Originally posted by cubswin
Where's JWF to tell us that Brady's hat collection is overrated and that Pennington would have 150 if he were on the patriots? ;) I think that he would also assert that Brady's collection grew as a result of luck rather than skill. :p
RIyankee
10-08-04, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by TyWebb
In the last 16 years that you have been an interested Jets fan, the Bengals have 1 winning season and 1 playoff win to thier name. 9-7 in 1991 with 1 playoff win.
The Bengals look like the Habs when compared to the Chicago/St.Louis/Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals.
The Cards have ONE playoff victory (a 20-7 win at Dallas in the the wildcard round in 1998) since winning the NFL championship in 1947. :eek:
DaBoys4LifeNYY35
10-08-04, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by RIyankee
The Cards have ONE playoff victory (a 20-7 win at Dallas in the the wildcard round in 1998) since winning the NFL championship in 1947. :eek:
I already posted this a page ago. Is there really a need to bring it up twice? :mad: :O
RIyankee
10-08-04, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35
I already posted this a page ago. Is there really a need to bring it up twice? :mad: :O
I was more specific. :D
Why so mad? Dallas has been to 8 SBs and has 5 championships. That's tops. :)
BTW there are seven current NFL teams that have never been to a SB:
Browns (old & new)
Texans
Jaguars
Cardinals
Lions
Seahawks
Saints
DaBoys4LifeNYY35
10-08-04, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by RIyankee
I was more specific. :D
Why so mad? Dallas has been to 8 SBs and has 5 championships. That's tops. :)
BTW there are seven current NFL teams that have never been to a SB:
Browns (old & new)
Texans
Jaguars
Cardinals
Lions
Seahawks
Saints
You forget to mention our 16 NFC Championship appearances. :D If we hadn't won it all 5 times, we'd be the ultimate Bridesmaids.
Don't mean to hijack, but what's your opinion on the teams who claim NFL championships from the pre-merger/pre-Super Bowl days? Such as George bragging about the Pack's 12 rings. The Browns had quite the history before the Super Bowl era, but no one ever talks about that now--22 playoff appearances in their first 40 years of existence, 10 straight title game appearances, 4 championships between 1950 and 1964.
RIyankee
10-08-04, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35
You forget to mention our 16 NFC Championship appearances. :D If we hadn't won it all 5 times, we'd be the ultimate Bridesmaids.
Don't mean to hijack, but what's your opinion on the teams who claim NFL championships from the pre-merger/pre-Super Bowl days? Such as George bragging about the Pack's 12 rings. The Browns had quite the history before the Super Bowl era, but no one ever talks about that now--22 playoff appearances in their first 40 years of existence, 10 straight title game appearances, 4 championships between 1950 and 1964.
I'm glad you brought that up. I consider pre-SB NFL champions valid and equal w/ SB champions. But I don't share that same consideration for pre-SB AFL champs.
Notables (teams w/o a SB chapionship)...
NOTES: The 1st NFL Championship game was played in 1933. Prior to that, the regular season winner was the NFL Champion. The Green Bay Packers were started in 1921 by a packing company that originated in Providence, RI.
1964 Browns
1960 Eagles
1957 Lions
1955 Browns
1954 Browns
1953 Lions
1952 Lions
1950 Browns
1949 Eagles
1948 Eagles
1947 Cardinals
1940 Bears*
(*won 73-0 over the Redskins. Won SB XX but set a record margin of victory in a championship game.)
1937 Redskins*
(*a 3 time SB winner, won their 1st championship in their first season in their new home, Washington, DC. They moved from Boston. :lol: )
1935 Lions
1928 Providence Steamroller w/ a 9-1-1 record. :D:D:D:D
New England's first NFL Champion!!! before Dallas, before Boston, before Green Bay!!! :lol:
#1PaFan
10-08-04, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35
Don't mean to hijack, but what's your opinion on the teams who claim NFL championships from the pre-merger/pre-Super Bowl days? Such as George bragging about the Pack's 12 rings. The Browns had quite the history before the Super Bowl era, but no one ever talks about that now--22 playoff appearances in their first 40 years of existence, 10 straight title game appearances, 4 championships between 1950 and 1964.
You don't talk to too many Browns fans, do ya Nat? I hear about it enough. :)
The NFL started way before the '66-'67 season. If you disagree with that, tell Jim Brown. :lol: :gulp:
DaBoys4LifeNYY35
10-08-04, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by #1PaFan
You don't talk to too many Browns fans, do ya Nat? I hear about it enough. :)
One of my best friends is a Browns fan... all he does is hide in his coccoon of sorrow over their Super Bowl-era futility. I suppose you hear about it more because you're always bringing up those 12 rings your team won. :)
#1PaFan
10-08-04, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35
One of my best friends is a Browns fan... all he does is hide in his coccoon of sorrow over their Super Bowl-era futility. I suppose you hear about it more because you're always bringing up those 12 rings your team won. :)
No. My friends are adults. Some even remember some of the Browns' glory, the old bastards! :lol:
Santana
10-10-04, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
Bunch of bull said by a man who follows a bunch of losers.........
Are you jealous, maybe? You sure sound bitter. Could it be because the Jets, umm, for lack of a better word, suck?
PawSoxNation
10-10-04, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by Santana
Are you jealous, maybe? You sure sound bitter. Could it be because the Jets, umm, for lack of a better word, suck?
No, thats the better word...GO PATS!
JeffWeaverFan
10-10-04, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Santana
Are you jealous, maybe? You sure sound bitter. Could it be because the Jets, umm, for lack of a better word, suck?
Firstly, when did I ever say that? I can't find it anywhere.
Secondly, the Jets are undefeated so no, they don't suck.
RIyankee
10-11-04, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
Secondly, the Jets are undefeated so no, they don't suck.
Yes they do. ;) :lol:
BTW that home game against the Bledsoe's Bills was a real nail biter. :lol:
hugelongtermdeal
10-11-04, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
Firstly, when did I ever say that? I can't find it anywhere.
Secondly, the Jets are undefeated so no, they don't suck.
The Jets might suck .. they might not suck. We really won't find out until they play a decent team. However, they have 4 wins against 3rd rate teams ... so I wouldn't get too excited yet.
cubswin
10-11-04, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal
The Jets might suck .. they might not suck. We really won't find out until they play a decent team. However, they have 4 wins against 3rd rate teams ... so I wouldn't get too excited yet.
While a 4-0 start doesn't guarantee anything. ot's a bit much to say the Jets suck. Even if they haven't played anybody tough, one hallmark of teams that do suck is that they lose to bad teams and they lose close games, like yesterday's versus Buffalo.
dabomb2045
10-11-04, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal
The Jets might suck .. they might not suck. We really won't find out until they play a decent team. However, they have 4 wins against 3rd rate teams ... so I wouldn't get too excited yet.
teams that are 4-0...dont suck....I dont care what their schedule is
alot of good teams lose bad games....games they shouldnt lose (atlanta to detroit at home....seattle blowing a 17 point lead with 6 mins left at home)
the mark of a good team is beating the teams u are better then....and so far the jets have done that
JeffWeaverFan
10-11-04, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by dabomb2045
teams that are 4-0...dont suck....I dont care what their schedule is
alot of good teams lose bad games....games they shouldnt lose (atlanta to detroit at home....seattle blowing a 17 point lead with 6 mins left at home)
the mark of a good team is beating the teams u are better then....and so far the jets have done that
Not to mention San Diego is actually a pretty good team and is 3-2.
Soriambi
10-11-04, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
Not to mention San Diego is actually a pretty good team and is 3-2.
And the Bengals and Bills are better than many give them credit for. The Dolphins, ok, they're not very good. ;)
I think it's very clear that neither the Jets or Patriots suck.
PinstripePride
10-12-04, 12:12 AM
The Jets D is scaring me.
dabomb2045
10-12-04, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by PinstripePride
The Jets D is scaring me.
Bradway and Edwards deserve alot of credit for totally turning around the state of the defense
last year....we were old and slow....
this year....we have speed....and the ability to make plays...and more importantly....we are very young and have the potential to become a great defense....Abraham...Ellis...Robertson....Vilma...Hobson...McGraw...Coleman all will continue to get better....the signing of Barton has looked very good thus far....Barratt has been pretty good....and Donnie Abraham is having a very nice comeback year
RIyankee
10-12-04, 08:59 AM
I hope everyone knows I was just kidding about the the Jets in my last post (see the smileys?). Seriously, at the very worst, the Jets are heading for the playoffs.
hugelongtermdeal
10-18-04, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by dabomb2045
teams that are 4-0...dont suck....I dont care what their schedule is
alot of good teams lose bad games....games they shouldnt lose (atlanta to detroit at home....seattle blowing a 17 point lead with 6 mins left at home)
the mark of a good team is beating the teams u are better then....and so far the jets have done that
If that makes you feel better. The fact is, they've beaten the worst of worst (in unimpressive fashion). If they play well against the Pats - then hats off to them. But, I don't see it happening. Pats 31, Jets 13.
Buckeye Yank
10-18-04, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by RIyankee
A friend of mine from Ohio who played QB for Ohio Univ. told me he had seen high school stadiums that were better than old Foxboro Stadium.
Ohio high school football is in it's own little universe. :D
Getting back on topic, I'm thinking the Pats / Steelers matchup should be interesting. :evil:
PlsDontTearDownY.S.
10-18-04, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal
If that makes you feel better. The fact is, they've beaten the worst of worst (in unimpressive fashion). If they play well against the Pats - then hats off to them. But, I don't see it happening. Pats 31, Jets 13. It's not the Patriots way to blow out opponents... they do all the little things right when the game is on the line. They are not wiping teams out like Philly is, so I see no reason why the Jets can't go up there and be in the game. Whoever makes plays late will win. Also, our run defense is better than the Patriots run D.
RIyankee
10-18-04, 03:12 PM
I'm a Pats fan who hates the Jets. That said, there's no way the Pats will beat the Jets that easily. 31-13 is ridiculous. In truth, the Pats WRs are depleted. David Givens has been shut down by opposing defenses while David Patten has been dropping way too many passes while being outmuscled by bigger CBs. Moreover LT Matt Light was a turnstile against Seattle and Brady has taken way too many hits the past two weeks. If the Jets were smart, they would put 8 in the box to stop Dillon and force the Pats to beat them via the air.
On the plus side, the Jets don't have the big, talented WR to take advantage of the shorter RCBs (Poole, Samuel) on deep fade routes. Furthermore, the Jets secondary is the weakest part of their "D" and, even with a nicked up WR corps, the Pats could find ways to exploit it.
Bottom line: Defense and turnovers will decide the outcome.
hugelongtermdeal
10-25-04, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by dabomb2045
teams that are 4-0...dont suck....I dont care what their schedule is
alot of good teams lose bad games....games they shouldnt lose (atlanta to detroit at home....seattle blowing a 17 point lead with 6 mins left at home)
the mark of a good team is beating the teams u are better then....and so far the jets have done that
Well .... they don't suck, but they clearly aren't in the same league with the Pats. This game wasn't as close as the score indicated....
Soriambi
10-25-04, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal
Well .... they don't suck, but they clearly aren't in the same league with the Pats. This game wasn't as close as the score indicated....
You really don't? I thought it was closer. The Jets fumbled inside the Pats 10 (And for the record, it wasn't like it was an amazing strip of the ball-he just dropped it), which should have been points of some type there, the Jets could have kicked a FG late if it had been a 3 point game, and the Jets got called for two penalties, 12 men on the field (which changed it from being Jets ball to being Pats ball and they eventually kicked a FG) and Roughing the Passer (which was an arguable call, and most likely gave the Pats 7 points instead of 3.)
I don't see exactly where you're getting any more Patriot points from, other than the fact that they had more yards, but I'm certainly willing to listen to your reasoning. I just think there are concrete things that I pointed at that could have either put points on the board or taken them off for the Pats (And I think it's pretty reasonable that Sowell wouldn't fumble, that the RTP call could have not been made, and that the Jets could count. The one drive for the Pats that I would single out was the Taunting/Fumble drive, but they would have still been at the 21, not the 7 or 8 yard line there.
Again, like I said in the other thread, the Pats beat them, but I thought that the game was fairly evenly matched and that the score probably indicated about what the game was, a six point game either way that fell the Pats way due to a few breaks. (Which as I gave them credit for in the other thread, they always seem to take advantage of-lesser teams don't do that-they can get breaks and still lose. The Patriots don't.)
RIyankee
10-25-04, 12:22 PM
The Patriots have set the official NFL record for winning 18 straight regular season games. The old record of 17 was set by the 1933-34 Chicago Bears.
:gulp: :gulp: :gulp:
JeffWeaverFan
10-25-04, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal
This game wasn't as close as the score indicated....
You weren't watching the same game everyone else was. I don't know where you even come up with that. Soriambi said it best.
RIyankee
10-25-04, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
You weren't watching the same game everyone else was. I don't know where you even come up with that. Soriambi said it best.
Not once did any of the Jets fans mentioned the numerous dropped passes by the Pats. If TE Daniel Graham hadn't dropped a perfect pass, the Pats might have scored a TD instead of a FG on their opening series. If RB Kevin Faulk hadn't dropped another perfectly thrown ball for 30 yards on 3rd down, the Pats might have scored more points (and I would have locked up a "W" in week # 7 in the NYYFFL).
The Pats have now beaten the Jets, Seahwks, and Colts. Meanwhile, the Jets have beaten nobody tough. NE has the better team. Deal with it.
JeffWeaverFan
10-25-04, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by RIyankee
The Pats have now beaten the Jets, Seahwks, and Colts. Meanwhile, the Jets have beaten nobody tough. NE has the better team. Deal with it.
San Diego is a pretty good team actually. I'm done talking about it. We will see who wins the day after Christmas. As I said in the Jets thread, I will put my money where my mouth is.
NDBoston
10-25-04, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
San Diego is a pretty good team actually. I'm done talking about it. We will see who wins the day after Christmas. As I said in the Jets thread, I will put my money where my mouth is.
I will bet you. Whatever the spread is. Name the bet.
JeffWeaverFan
10-25-04, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by NDBoston
I will bet you. Whatever the spread is. Name the bet.
Well, we already have $50 on who will win the AFC East. (You said we had a bet on the AL East in the other thread, but I'm pretty sure that isn't me). I have no problem betting another $50 on the game, whatever the spread is at gametime.
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
We will see who wins the day after Christmas. As I said in the Jets thread, I will put my money where my mouth is.
Well, you may win that game. But this fan would prefer making the playoffs and winning the final game you play in them to see who the better team is. Would you have enough money to wager on that?
Looie #19
10-25-04, 09:25 PM
The Patriots are doing pretty well, I can just imagine where they'd be with a non-system QB like Jake Delhomme under center.
JeffWeaverFan
10-26-04, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by DJnVa
Well, you may win that game. But this fan would prefer making the playoffs and winning the final game you play in them to see who the better team is. Would you have enough money to wager on that?
We will have to wait on this. Still a lot of time.
Originally posted by Looie #19
The Patriots are doing pretty well, I can just imagine where they'd be with a non-system QB like Jake Delhomme under center.
Soooo, I'm confused. Do you think they'd be better or worse? Delhomme isn't exactly lighting it up.
hugelongtermdeal
10-26-04, 10:07 AM
JWF ... please read. Some of your most commonly repeated misstatements regarding the Pats are debunked here.
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sportsNews/view.bg?articleid=81510
" The difference in the contest, then, wasn't that the Jets made mistakes and the Patriots didn't. It was the Patriots' ability to rise in crunch time, stopping New York on its final drive, out-executing their foe at the most crucial juncture. "
JeffWeaverFan
10-26-04, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal
JWF ... please read. Some of your most commonly repeated misstatements regarding the Pats are debunked here.
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sportsNews/view.bg?articleid=81510
" The difference in the contest, then, wasn't that the Jets made mistakes and the Patriots didn't. It was the Patriots' ability to rise in crunch time, stopping New York on its final drive, out-executing their foe at the most crucial juncture. "
I'm done with this. I still feel that if those two bad calls weren't made it would have been a different game. Then again, if we hadn't shot ourselves in the foot twice it would have also been a different game. Maybe the Pats would have still won the game even if they got bad calls on them and that's the difference. As of now, I'm thinking about Miami and am very confident in not only our chances against the Pats in the Meadowlands, but in our chances of winning the division.
WebsterMulligan
10-26-04, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by Looie #19
The Patriots are doing pretty well, I can just imagine where they'd be with a non-system QB like Jake Delhomme under center.
They would probably be in 2nd or 3rd place, behind the Jets. Brady is the one that makes the Pat's go.
#1PaFan
10-26-04, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by WebsterMulligan
They would probably be in 2nd or 3rd place, behind the Jets. Brady is the one that makes the Pat's go.
Agreed. Anybody that simply dismisses Brady doesn't understand what it takes for a QB to work with the system.
I'm certainly not a Patriots fan but Brady is the perfect fit with what they are doing in New England. It kind of reminds me of Aikman in Dallas and back with Starr in Green Bay. None of those QBs would kill you with their stats, but they helped their teams kill your teams.
None of the three were "great" innovators on the field but they somehow managed to find a way to win within their own system. It comes down to damn good coaching, damn good discipline and having a solid team around them.
Looie #19
10-27-04, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by DJnVa
Soooo, I'm confused. Do you think they'd be better or worse? Delhomme isn't exactly lighting it up.
No kidding, that was the joke. It was an homage to someone actually insinuating the Delhomme was better than Brady, on account that Delhomme "wasn't a system QB" and how he was "better" in last year's Super Bowl. Some people really have to dig deep to bash players they really dislike. It's almost as bad as those who claim players fake injuries for personal glory, but not quite as childish and petty.
I just have to note that I've been a Pats fan for more than 30 years (my first football love was Randy Vataha), and I find any and all references to the Pats being "lucky" and getting favoritism from the refs to be hilarious in the extreme. :lol:
NDBoston
12-27-04, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
Well, we already have $50 on who will win the AFC East. (You said we had a bet on the AL East in the other thread, but I'm pretty sure that isn't me). I have no problem betting another $50 on the game, whatever the spread is at gametime.
You now owe me $100.
:)
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