9/29: Pedro v TB [Archive] - NYYFans.com Forum

Jersey Yankee

09-29-04, 06:51 PM

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/live/MLB_20040929_BOS@TB

Guess who's winning? :gulp::O

SoCal Pinstriper

09-29-04, 07:04 PM

If we're his "Daddy", does that make the Ray's his "Step Daddy", or is he starting to miss the mid season rest that he skipped this year.

rightfielder21

09-29-04, 07:04 PM

Still way to early with the Sox offense and the Ray's pitching..

Jersey Yankee

09-29-04, 07:10 PM

Bases drunk like a skunk, 1 out. Cantu *CANNOT* do a GIDP here!!!

Jersey Yankee

09-29-04, 07:11 PM

Cantu flied out to right.

How come Huff couldn't score? Short RF?

Jersey Yankee

09-29-04, 07:13 PM

Hall struck out swinging. &po'd& &po'd& &po'd&

*Opens ledge, teeters high above.

cubswin

09-29-04, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Jersey Yankee
[url]...Guess who's winning? :gulp::O

given that you started this 50 minutes into the game?

wexy

09-29-04, 07:18 PM

Stupid Devil Rays but hang in there. Pedro threw alot of pitches.

Jersey Yankee

09-29-04, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by rightfielder21
Still way to early with the Sox offense and the Ray's pitching.. Should've mentioned the DRays' offense.

Nixon homered to right.

Now why did we have to awaken Tek's hitting by inserting CJ in there on Saturday?

Jersey Yankee

09-29-04, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by cubswin
given that you started this 50 minutes into the game? I can't be optimistic? Or should I wait until all the facts are in before making a decision? :O

cubswin

09-29-04, 07:21 PM

Here's a question for you: How much of an obligation do teams have to do their best to win games that are meaningless to them but not to their opponent?

I've seen complaining here -- usually at least somewhat in jest -- about teams supposedly rolling over for the Sox, and it seems to happen every year that teams that are out of it are criticized for using youngsters in games that could dictate the outcome of other races. Yet the Twins today use Santana for only 5. Is it the same thing? Is it OK for a playoff team but not for a team looking to next year?

(I have no problem w/the Twins pulling Santana, personally. My opinion is that a team has to do whatever is best for itself. I also think that extends to playing youngsters, for that matter.)

SoCal Pinstriper

09-29-04, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by cubswin
My opinion is that a team has to do whatever is best for itself. I also think that extends to playing youngsters, for that matter.)

I agree with you. As long as they respect the game by not playing people grossly out of position for yuks (i.e. letting position players pitch), a team like Tampa has an obligation to make whatever moves it deems to be in its own best interest especially getting a look at youngsters.

Jersey Yankee

09-29-04, 07:28 PM

Mientkiewicz popped out to catcher.

Gift horse, TB, gift horse. Can they get to Pedro now? Hope he hasn't recovered from the last inning.

Jersey Yankee

09-29-04, 07:53 PM

Ortiz flied out to deep right.
Adam Hyzdu ran for Manny Ramirez.
Ramirez walked.

I'm glad they took Manny's bat out of the lineup. I have no idea why Terry did that in the top of the 5th, but it didn't work.

Jersey Yankee

09-29-04, 07:57 PM

Gotta run, folks, and hope that Pedro gets the "L" tonight. More runs, TB!!! :)

Espinosa's Glasses

09-29-04, 08:05 PM

"The Devil Rays are me daddies"

ZYanksRule

09-29-04, 08:07 PM

As Michael Kay might say... IIIIIIII'mmmmmmmmmmm lovin it!!!

Lets go D-Rays CLAP-CLAP- CLAPCLAPCLAP

stevethesoxfan

09-29-04, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by cubswin
Here's a question for you: How much of an obligation do teams have to do their best to win games that are meaningless to them but not to their opponent?

I've seen complaining here -- usually at least somewhat in jest -- about teams supposedly rolling over for the Sox, and it seems to happen every year that teams that are out of it are criticized for using youngsters in games that could dictate the outcome of other races. Yet the Twins today use Santana for only 5. Is it the same thing? Is it OK for a playoff team but not for a team looking to next year?

(I have no problem w/the Twins pulling Santana, personally. My opinion is that a team has to do whatever is best for itself. I also think that extends to playing youngsters, for that matter.)

I think a playoff team should be preparing itself for the playoffs. Hence, the Santana pull tonight was justified. However, a non-playoff team should be trying as hard as possible to win games against team in postseason races. For instance, Tampa Bay owes it to the Yankees tonight to give the Red Sox as tough a game as possible. Seattle needs to do the same against Anaheim.

cubswin

09-29-04, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by stevethesoxfan

I think a playoff team should be preparing itself for the playoffs. Hence, the Santana pull tonight was justified. However, a non-playoff team should be trying as hard as possible to win games against team in postseason races. For instance, Tampa Bay owes it to the Yankees tonight to give the Red Sox as tough a game as possible. Seattle needs to do the same against Anaheim.

even if giving a young player some starts could help them next year?

SoCal Pinstriper

09-29-04, 08:16 PM

As I said above, a team that is out of contention should do whatever is in its own best interest as long as it does not dis the game.

stevethesoxfan

09-29-04, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by cubswin
even if giving a young player some starts could help them next year?

I understand your point, cubswin and socal. But I think, in Tampa Bay's case, let that player start the last series of the year, which won't matter. Let's face it, the Rays have been out of it for a while and could have given that player some starts throughout the last month. Just keep him out of the NY/ Bos/ Oak, etc. games in the last two weeks or so. He still could get in a bunch of starts.

AhhhGuinness

09-29-04, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by cubswin
Here's a question for you: How much of an obligation do teams have to do their best to win games that are meaningless to them but not to their opponent?

I think every team should do what's in its own best interests and screw everyone else.

If Tampa Bay wants to start 9 prospects against the Sox because they've been kicked by everyone all season and now they want to take a look at next year and beyond, so be it.

If Minnesota wants to pull Santana after 5 dominating innings, even though the Sox are still trying to catch the Yanks for the division lead, so be it.

AhhhGuinness

09-29-04, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by Socal Pinstriper
As I said above, a team that is out of contention should do whatever is in its own best interest as long as it does not dis the game.

The Red Sox are currently dissing the game as they have brought B.K. Kim out to the mound.

ForceFive

09-29-04, 08:54 PM

Tino just ripped a 3-run bomb off Embree to make it a 9-4 game in the bottom of the 8th.

THANKS TINO!

Yanks21

09-29-04, 08:57 PM

It isn't official, but when was the last time Pedro lost four consecutive starts? Has that ever happened?

ChewieTobbacca

09-29-04, 09:00 PM

Pedro hasn't lost 4 consecutive seasons ever since becoming a starter in '94

Judge Mental

09-29-04, 09:00 PM

you say us sox fans are never around when we're losing?

well here i am....and all i really have to say is @#$% @#$%) @#%&*) )%@^*#%)*&@$^%)@#

(that was a really long expletive)

good day

wexy

09-29-04, 09:04 PM

Thank you Devil Rays and Tino
Magic # is 2

Circle Change

09-29-04, 09:07 PM

I already said that Boston shouldn't have Pedro start another game this year because he was burning out. And look what happens - he gets smoked by the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. He's becoming a liability at precisely the wrong time for the Red Sox and he's in for a big reality check come "contract talks".

This season he pitched 30 more innings than in 2003. That's great... the only problem is that he also allowed 48 more earned runs. So really, over those extra 30 innings he's been a 14.40 ERA pitcher.

It's been an off-year of colossal proportions that could get even worse if he is demolished in the post-season.

The run is over, but it will go down as one of the most dominant in the history of the game: 1997-2003.

Judge Mental

09-29-04, 09:13 PM

what run? the sox run at the division? if that's what you're talking about then you're right....a little help from your twinkies would've been nice, yanking Johan after 71 pitches really ruined my afternoon....

edit: you're talking about pedro's run....i think that's a little premature wouldn't you say

he still had a good season, not a great one, but definitely not a flop, as far as I'm concerned the run is still going, at least until he strings together more than one medicore season, and this one was better then mediocre

stevethesoxfan

09-29-04, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Judge Mental
what run? the sox run at the division? if that's what you're talking about then you're right....a little help from your twinkies would've been nice, yanking Johan after 71 pitches really ruined my afternoon....

True about the Twins, but losing this game killed the Sox pretty much anyway. A blessing in disguise though, as now we can get rested and ready for the ALDS.

Bring it on, baby! :D

Circle Change

09-29-04, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by Judge Mental
what run? the sox run at the division? if that's what you're talking about then you're right....a little help from your twinkies would've been nice, yanking Johan after 71 pitches really ruined my afternoon....

No, Pedro's run as the most dominant pitcher in baseball; possibly the most dominant pitcher in the history of the game over a seven year period. While how he does the rest of his career may be decent, I'd rather not include it with 1997-2003.

Johan wasn't "yanked"... it was planned well beforehand that he'd only go five innings. I was satisfied, because now I know for sure that he can beat the Yankees without any problem and he knows he can handle them. Excluding any bone spurs or forearm cramps (Hello 2003), he's going to roll over ANYBODY. He did it in August, and he retired the last 11 he faced before exiting today.

I also take comfort in knowing that Lohse is an awful pitcher (10 QS is 32 starts.. he ................ing sucks, period.) and that he won't be going anywhere near the rotation come ALDS time. If Radke pitches a good game tomorrow, I'll be even more relieved. Romero and Rincon's struggles... oh well, don't boot the ball next time Torii.

Pomp

09-29-04, 09:26 PM

If Pedro continues to pitch like this, the Sox are in serious trouble come playoff time. Other than Schilling and at times, Arroyo, they have nobody that is pitching well right now.

sorigirl

09-30-04, 05:11 PM

http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/093004/c0130yankees2c.html
Ironically, Tino Martinez helped his old team when he helped put Boston away with a three-run homer for the Devil Rays.
"He's a Yankee deep down," Derek Jeter said. "We appreciate it."

IncredibleByNature

10-01-04, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by sorigirl
http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/093004/c0130yankees2c.html
Ironically, Tino Martinez helped his old team when he helped put Boston away with a three-run homer for the Devil Rays.
"He's a Yankee deep down," Derek Jeter said. "We appreciate it."

Heehee. :D

StaceyRosie

10-01-04, 06:28 AM

Tino has said that he roots for the Yankees against the Red Sox. ;)

Pomp

10-01-04, 07:03 AM

AhhhGuinness

10-03-04, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by StaceyRosie
Tino has said that he roots for the Yankees against the Red Sox. ;)

Now I'm officially glad that Benitez drilled him in the back